Sharply Squad

[errant fox]

just added all these fields to cameras

[narrow bloom]

canon 1200 5.6

[versed fjord]

3rd place rahhhhh

[errant fox]

What browser is this lmao

[errant fox]

After some research i've officially come to the conclusion that I'm going to move forward using Nikon press release images on the site, with proper credits etc. (editorial use only)

There is some risk of a takedown request, but that's not the end of the world

and unlikely if we're reasonable about how theyre used

If anyone can help me learn more about images from other brands too that would be cool

[tepid nest]

https://www.canon-europe.com/news/product-imagery/cameras-accessories/

that's where most of the Canon press releases point you to for product photos

[narrow bloom]

we adding photos now?

[narrow bloom]

dslr section has 5 dslr's

[tepid nest]

well I'm sure there are other regional websites that have some

I just checked europe

[wispy slate]

once d300 arrives ima upload it

[narrow bloom]

i can take product photos for the ones i have yea

it's just a forward facing shot right?

[woeful python]

good reason to buy all the gear

[jagged epoch]

Safari lel

[narrow bloom]

are you okay

do you need help

[tepid nest]

Safari is quite good if you can get over the stupid tab design choices

[jagged epoch]

Chrome on iPad just isn't as good imo

And I've been using safari for years so

[tepid nest]

Chrome on iOS is still just ~~Safari ~~ WebKit underneath

I believe that's going to change at some point because the EU but pretty sure it's still that way

https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engines/

not that Chromium/Blink isn't already a fork of WebKit. It's complicated.

[narrow bloom]

yes it is

it's better

[jagged epoch]

Me when I lie

[minor bough]

Depends, the angle is probably easier for everyone to replicate but as long as they're all the same floh said it doesn't matter if it's not identical between brands

[jagged epoch]

Someone should loan every camera in existence and do product shots so we can get 100% consistency

[versed fjord]

but then what camera will take the product images

[jagged epoch]

Any camera that isnt currently being used

[versed fjord]

but the culurs and resolution

[jagged epoch]

ok fine get a second d850

[versed fjord]

weak

not even gfx

[jagged epoch]

100mp files take a lot of space

Data storage is expensive

[versed fjord]

if you can afford to rent every cam ever you can afford a few tb of space

[jagged epoch]

Idk ask floh

[versed fjord]

a 4tb drive is sub 100$

[wispy slate]

yes

[minor bough]

the photos have to be downscaled so they load quickly anyway, instagram quality is fine lmao

[jagged epoch]

let's use d2h🔥 🔥 🔥

[errant fox]

Just don’t worry about photos yet, lighting is the hardest thing to get consistent

[jagged epoch]

Just submitted like 7 lenses

[narrow bloom]

good job

[jagged epoch]

I'm going from top down in the list

[jagged epoch]

wtf do I put for this

@errant fox special consult lol

I'm putting 27 for now and we can edit later

Another thing, for number fields it's really hard to enter something like "1.04" cuz it keeps autocorrecting to 1

Can we also have a macro use case

[errant fox]

Is it a variable aperture lens?

[errant fox]

For what field?

[errant fox]

I had this but changed to Product/Food

[jagged epoch]

Yes

[jagged epoch]

Screen resolution

[errant fox]

Can’t you put multiple? So it’s 22-27?

[jagged epoch]

I'm more so confused whether to put 22-27 or 22-29

[errant fox]

Idk just pick randomly, never seen that

[errant fox]

Idea for sharply 👀

[narrow bloom]

very cool

[wispy slate]

lets go more work for floh 🔥

[shy solar]

partner with the discord server for initial user base

[minor bough]

I'm sure someone will make an announcement, we still need to get lenses actually onto the website for people to help fill out

We're still missing alot of EF lenses, I'm almost done those, then we have to deal with RF FD and any other mounts that we are yet to finish

[jagged epoch]

I think do the modern mounts first where most people will look

Like, we can put off FD for later

Also, could we have the "cipa rated stabilisation stops" grayed out if the user selects "no stabilization"

Same for stab switch

[narrow bloom]

lets finish ef and rf then move onto fd

fd does look pretty simple tho

[woeful python]

would be awesome

[jagged epoch]

Nikon 1

[limber delta]

yes i am

[jagged epoch]

And back to work

[jagged epoch]

Just did like 10 more ef lenses

[jagged epoch]

@errant fox since I have a shit ton of time, could I have admin so I can start adding in rf lenses, amongst other things?

Ef is nearing completion btw

Another note for admins, we need an EF-M mount option

[narrow bloom]

we'll finish entire efm lineup in like, 15 minutes

[jagged epoch]

I'm going in order and there's a random efm rn

[narrow bloom]

8 lenses 🔥

[jagged epoch]

ok I take a break

If you're gonna continue I stopped at ef-m 32mm

Near the bottom

Just go up from there

[narrow bloom]

18-55 3.5-5.6, 22 2.0, 11-22 4-5.6, 55-200 4.5-6.3, 15-45 3.5-6.3, 28 3.5 macro, 18-150 3.5-6.3, 32 1.4

the entire efm lineup 🔥

[jagged epoch]

I did 100-400ii for you already bbg

[narrow bloom]

fire

[minor bough]

I already did it

Also like no way you've caught up to me

Guess I'm adding more when I'm done with work

[narrow bloom]

no we just bored of ef rn

[wispy slate]

There’s a bazillion Nikon lenses to add

[errant fox]

There’s not an option for it?

Is that a different mount though or is it still just EF

Because EF-S is not a mount for example

Or RF-S

[narrow bloom]

completely different mount

it's canon's early mirrorless system, before the R system

[jagged epoch]

It would be funny if it was the same mount just different flange

[narrow bloom]

some sigma mirrorlrss has a dslr mount and the mount is just like 4cm away from the sensor with nothing in between

[errant fox]

@narrow bloom @jagged epoch ef-m mount option added

[jagged epoch]

Great

[narrow bloom]

fire

[narrow bloom]

how are cameras and lenses going to be separated again? they're still just mixed in and weird

[topaz canyon]

I'd be happy with a simple filter at the top

[narrow bloom]

yes schmeat

that is a great idea

[topaz canyon]

just 'body' or 'lens'
Then apsc, ff, etc and 'zoom' or 'prime'

feel like it doesn't need to be as complex as a lot of sites make it since its already broken down to brand

[errant fox]

You mean on /gear?

[jagged epoch]

Qol thing if we're doing filters, it's really nice on the user experience if the filters update realtime as you click them, instead of having to click apply

[errant fox]

I’m still not sure what the purpose of that page even is

Might just combine the search page and that page into one

[errant fox]

Like 90% of the time when I’m looking at a list of gear I’m going to the Nikon site to see the mirrorless lenses or cameras

So yeah adding like a multi step filter for brand then type would be nice

For fast access to that

[jagged epoch]

@errant fox how are we on using brands' own product pics btw?

[tepid nest]

Only floh can add images anyway

[jagged epoch]

Doing more EF and EF-M lenses rn

[jagged epoch]

Which one of you did like 20 ef lenses but didn't put dates in smh

[narrow bloom]

aint no way bruh

[topaz canyon]

Name starts with a lex, ends in tard

[versed fjord]

lex lutard

[minor bough]

I haven't done any work on the lenses lol I just added them
Prolly Shawn

[narrow bloom]

if i didnt put it in i probably couldnt find it

no way i'd intentionally leave out dates for every single lens i put in

[jagged epoch]

Note for dates: if day is unavailable do not put 00 as day

[minor bough]

We can check who did it yk

It was Shawn bruh

[errant fox]

This should be fine as long as precision is set to month?

Or does it not work

It’s possible it’s automatically submitted as 00 when month precision is selected?

[jagged epoch]

I just checked my submissions (which I put 00 in as day for all cuz hard to find data) and it all deleted 💀

I'll fix em all later

It just completely removes the date

[errant fox]

Ok I fix

Will make day the default precision and make it accept 00 if needed

[jagged epoch]

Could you also make it change to month precision if 00 is entered for day?

[errant fox]

Yeah

[errant fox]

@jagged epoch fixed

[narrow bloom]

wtf

very cool

[jagged epoch]

Time for me to get z50ii huh

Stabilised 16-50/2.8 is cool

[woeful python]

finally, and it's a bit wider than the sigma 18-50

although more expensive

quite a bit more expensive in fact

[crystal coyote]

Fucking finally

Took them long enough

[crystal coyote]

• VR

[woeful python]

yea but it also costs as much as a z50ii

better be good for that price

[crystal coyote]

Oh 💀

More than the Tamron 17-70mm on E mount then

[jagged epoch]

Guys guys this ain't the place

[woeful python]

😇

[errant fox]

https://www.sharplyphoto.com/news/nikon-fills-a-major-gap-in-the-z-dx-lineup-with-the-new-16-50mm-f28-and-35mm-f17

https://www.sharplyphoto.com/gear/nikon-nikkor-z-dx-16-50mm-f-2-8-vr

Example of how we handle an announcement

[jagged epoch]

Looks great

[shy solar]

punctuation doesn't work when you include headers into the preview text (Everyone. Today) (Vision. Nikon)

how are you fetching mpb prices?

[errant fox]

not, just people inputting what they observe

99% of the time the worst case scenario is our price is slighly higher than what's on MPB

since used gear almost always slowly reduces in price over time

and the worst case scenario is not that bad, usually people will just get a pleasant surprise that the price is slightly lower than what we said
it would be very rare for the gap to be so large that a user misses out on a good purchase because we said the price was way higher than it is and they stopped considering it

[errant fox]

i will just remove the header from the displayed description

[shy solar]

clicking on the dark theme button removes the scroll bar, changing the page layout, there's also no indication of hovering (intentional?)

light mode has a indication though

prose class gives a funny color

[errant fox]

yeah this is something that's related to shadcn ui (might even go more deeply to radix ui functionality), something i'm not able to invest time in at the moment, very small issue
I'm also pretty sure this is not that uncommon across the web for popovers

just easier to notice when testing

i may be wrong though

there's also no indication of hovering (intentional?)
related to a styling issue in dark mode across app, will fix eventually

[errant fox]

where you seeing this? I don't have this

oh privacy

ok ill fix

TY ❤️

[errant fox]

some changes going in:

• fixed various issues
• date input adjusted to make more sense and prevent issues
• added news posts to gear pages (when the post is related to the gear)
• added related gear items to the end of news post

[jagged epoch]

Fire

I'm going birding today but I'll help out tmrw

[shy solar]

Real specs, real reviews, real fast. Independent reviews, real specs, and side-by-side comparisons.

Real specs x2

In the footer

Also when do you plan to start with the beginners guide stuff?

Will it just be like markdown docs

[errant fox]

not sure, need to plan out the content first

[errant fox]

we have a CMS

[errant fox]

btw, if anyone has suggestions or wants to help with structuring a "beginner guide" page (should cover basics of settings and also link to some gear recommendations) feel free to suggest things

[woeful python]

something similar to jordans lens chart would be cool

[errant fox]

yeah hoping to have those as a recommended lenses list or osmething

[errant fox]

new gear browse pages coming

[woeful python]

Could also make price visible there since you can sort by it?

[errant fox]

Yes need to do that

It’s already sortable but need to display it

[woeful python]

👍

[jagged epoch]

How does the trending thing work btw

By views?

[errant fox]

Views, wishlists, ownership, api calls, etc.

Each has a different weight

[errant fox]

i think something is bugged on the leaderboard 💀

[minor bough]

i wouldnt be suprised if hes done that many tbh

[errant fox]

i dont think it's even possible we have that many fields to edit

we have <400 gear items lol

and 75% are still blank

[jagged epoch]

It counts individual fields, also I've done a shit ton

Like every lens is ~30 fields alr

[errant fox]

so u did 150 lenses?

[narrow bloom]

oh i can catch up to lexi.

[errant fox]

behold

z lenses ✅

[errant fox]

@jagged epoch i just realized, how are you finding the pages for gear that doesn't have mounts etc.?

just searching for it?

[minor bough]

omfg god lbless you

[jagged epoch]

Wdym?

I've only ever done canon lenses or cameras

and one singular nikon lens

[errant fox]

yeah but how do you get to them

[jagged epoch]

Canon usa if it's still in production, otherwise canon museum and Wikipedia for more specific dates

I still have to fix the dates

[errant fox]

no on the site

[jagged epoch]

I'm not sure I understand

[errant fox]

like to get to the page where you can click "suggest edit"

[tepid nest]

it just shows up in the gear cards

[errant fox]

like if i asked you to edit the canon r5c

[tepid nest]

then once you click it unless I'm also confused

[jagged epoch]

Then click contribute

[errant fox]

maybe im the confused one

[tepid nest]

Gear - Brand - find the gear card - click - click contribute

[jagged epoch]

Yea

[errant fox]

i thought it didnt show things there that didnt already have mount and focal length set

[jagged epoch]

If someone already did it it would be click on suggest edit

[jagged epoch]

Nope, everything's there

[tepid nest]

It just doesn't show any specs or anything it just gives you that contribute section

[errant fox]

cool ok

[jagged epoch]

Otherwise I wouldn't be able to do anything

[errant fox]

yeah

[errant fox]

goat lens

[tepid nest]

indeed

[jagged epoch]

What if you made a separate "under construction" section

[tepid nest]

been meaning to fill it out but wife has been sick

[errant fox]

ooooh i seee

when you click z mount

a lot of them go away

because the mount is not added

[errant fox]

yes will

[jagged epoch]

Cool

[errant fox]

currently working on lots of boring backend shit

[wispy slate]

added all af-s nikon lenses that were on the wikipedia

leo lets lock in

[narrow bloom]

good little boy

[jagged epoch]

That's not a lot

[wispy slate]

Ok

[jagged epoch]

Also some of them are afp I hope you changed those

[wispy slate]

🤫

[jagged epoch]

💀

[wispy slate]

Not on mac rn

Actually i think theyre actually afs and theres additional afp

[jagged epoch]

Bro we're gonna get so confused with 18-55 if you didn't afp

[wispy slate]

Theres afs one stupid

[jagged epoch]

Did you separate them

[wispy slate]

i did not add any afp lenses

[jagged epoch]

Peyton caught slacking

[wispy slate]

Ok

I can add tmr

[jagged epoch]

Good boy

[wispy slate]

Krill yourself

[shy solar]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-yourself-gif-4614880990811011027

[jagged epoch]

I already know without opening it that zlushiie sent something stupid

[wispy slate]

Who let your ass in here

[shy solar]

I been here bruh

[errant fox]

created an under construction page where you can see and access a list of items that need contributions

[narrow bloom]

was just gonna ask for that

[errant fox]

Not pushed yet I think sorry

Coming soon

[narrow bloom]

aw alr

[errant fox]

its deploying rn

[narrow bloom]

hell yeah

[topaz canyon]

Probably missed this. Only an admin thing to add products? Or am I missing something? I go to look at this everytime I'm bored at work then get distracted

[errant fox]

only editors and admins rn yes

adding people who are interested periodically

[jagged epoch]

@errant fox the new date system is amazing, bravo

[errant fox]

spent hours on that lol

[jagged epoch]

Just did ra and r3

And r5

[errant fox]

all approved

so i double checked the logic and it turns out square is just that cracked

cant find anywhere where it could be inflating the data

about 120 gear edits with 30-40 fields for each

bro will be holding that #1 spot for a while

[tepid nest]

Must be unemployed

[jagged epoch]

whoops

[jagged epoch]

no shit sherlock

[tepid nest]

Well I know nothing about you so why would I know that

[jagged epoch]

Ladies and gentlemen

All Canon R cameras have been completed

well submitted anyway idk wait for someone to approve

@errant fox when you're free could you add all the rf lenses the same way you added the z lenses?

I'm getting tired of staring at different versions of 18-55

[errant fox]

yes standby

i cant believe how cheap r50v is

why is anyone ever buying sony

[jagged epoch]

Damn zve10 creators

[narrow bloom]

he is child

[errant fox]

yo why does canon do this on their site

focal length attached to mount

so fucking dumb

should we follow or?

i feel we should

even though its super aids

but i dont want people thinking its a mistake

okay, mpb does it so we're doing it

but literally everyone else doesn't lmao

AND WHY DO THEY RANDOMLY ADD "LENS"

canon is so whack man

@jagged epoch added all RF lenses

[narrow bloom]

[errant fox]

Technically correct

Actually jk

Reflex part suggests a mirror I guess

[narrow bloom]

[minor bough]

oh god

i never even finished the ef stuff lol

[minor bough]

i just kept adding a space between the mounth and the focal length because it looks stupid

so all the hundreds of ef lenses i already did follow that path

[errant fox]

EF lenses are like that 💀

they changed it for RF

why i have no idea

[minor bough]

i say for consistency sakes we just make them all the same

the more i think about it people are not going to be searching lenses like that

[errant fox]

for now i'm going to prefer matching how it is on the site just to see if its possible

it wont effect searching

[minor bough]

alr

yeah just double checked that

so you did every single rf/rf-s lens?

[errant fox]

not rf-s yet

[minor bough]

ah thats only like 4 lenses ill do it rq

why is this one screaming at me

[errant fox]

ik bro

canon is terrible with consistancies

[narrow bloom]

BECAUSE IT'S THE RF-S3.9mm F3.5 STM DUAL FISHEYE

[errant fox]

and then theres's one that's just Dual

[minor bough]

all 5 rfs lenses done

i followed what you did floh, guess we can figure it out later

[errant fox]

i mean i never even noticed on mpb it was like that

so unless it becomes a major confusino for people its better to just be accurate

[wispy slate]

Unemployed

[jagged epoch]

Hell yeah

[jagged epoch]

@errant fox @minor bough for rf lenses do we go with af or mf magnification/mfd

I'm putting af for now

Guys

[jagged epoch]

ok every rf prime lens from 1200mm to 50 1.8 is done

[wispy slate]

You really are unemployed

[jagged epoch]

All in one singular free period 🔥 🔥 🔥

[wispy slate]

Bro

[jagged epoch]

I could've done more if my friend didn't distract me for 10min

[jagged epoch]

we're missing the 85mm vcm btw

nevermind I'm blind

[jagged epoch]

Alright all rf prime lenses have been submitted

[errant fox]

Bro it’s 4

We’re not doing decimal focal lengths

[jagged epoch]

Good thing I rounded all of them then

[errant fox]

@jagged epoch who do you know that's using a 85mm prime for video 😂

[narrow bloom]

me when i film on 100mm

[errant fox]

@jagged epoch all your changes were approved

[jagged epoch]

Me when I use 70-200 for handheld video

[wispy slate]

Juan activities

ibis 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[shy solar]

bis

body image stab

[jagged epoch]

Me when no ibis

[minor bough]

@errant fox maybe add a field which shows what account made the edit when editors are approving them?
not too useful now but might be useful down the line if we need to blacklist accounts etc

[errant fox]

will do, had this but accidentally removed it

[minor bough]

hell yeah

[jagged epoch]

Oh and fyi all rf lenses are done

I haven't checked but if rfs 14-30 hasn't been added yet can someone add it and do it

[errant fox]

@jagged epoch Added
https://sharplyphoto.com/gear/canon-rf-s14-30mm-f4-6-3-is-stm-pz

[versed fjord]

no space between rf-s14?

[errant fox]

read up a bit ⬆️

we discussed

[errant fox]

#1420462464121831517 message

[versed fjord]

oh lmao thats stupid

[errant fox]

home page looking good

still not 100% sold on layout

[versed fjord]

looks a bit lopsided

[errant fox]

yeah

ill redesign eventually

maybe just 2 columns

[errant fox]

i just changed it

[versed fjord]

this is nice

a lot less info straight away

[narrow bloom]

writing 1dx2 review rn

gonna put in my portoflio and maybe here if yall approve

[errant fox]

https://www.sharplyphoto.com/reviews/nikon-z6ii-review
here's an example of the format of sharply reviews as of now

[narrow bloom]

also @errant fox

aritsan 🔥

[errant fox]

fuck lol

thats a deep typo 💀

[narrow bloom]

oh it's nice and short

i was yapping

ill put my current version in my portfolio and write a new one thats similar to that

[errant fox]

what do you have that's not included

still working on this

there may be other relevant things to add

but we don't need everything that other sites include, because we already have specs accessible elsewhere

[narrow bloom]

as in gear?

[errant fox]

no like in the structure of the review

[narrow bloom]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15McdJmSah5LGbYBavkqIcYcQo9Bw4JhaK65KtUl6kwM/edit?usp=sharing nowhere near done but here

[errant fox]

the "My Experience" section is also free text, so can be as long as needed

yeah like specs + price and availabilty are already available on the site

[narrow bloom]

true

[errant fox]

still looking

for like "Portraits", "Sports", "Landscape" these can be just sections under "My Experience" as needed

Build quality comments as well

yeah i'm not seeing anything that I think should be "required" for every review, but again people can feel free to include sections for specific uses, build quality, comparison to other cameras etc.

specs should not be included though, since we already have a well maintained specs chart

maybe i could make a way to "import" or "reference" specs from the main page

[narrow bloom]

that would be nice yes

because it feels a bit weird to write a review and not give any info on it and be like "you can look over there for the specs if you want"

[errant fox]

i mean

reviews typically do not include specs just for the purpose of listing them

that's a trend unique to photography

but yeah will find a good middle ground

[narrow bloom]

true

[errant fox]

we could do like a "key specs" thing?

[narrow bloom]

yeah, maybe like a very short list of the most important specs, and then leave everything else on the actual spec sheet?

[errant fox]

yeah

same for every camera and lens though? or do we want people to choose which specs to highlight

[narrow bloom]

hmm

consistency would be nice, but also it could be something to highlight the specs that it excels at

[jagged epoch]

When 1dx2 review is done I'll write r10 review

[jagged epoch]

guys this doesn't exist

[minor bough]

it was on the canon musuem website

https://www.teds.com.au/canon-ef-s-18-55mm-f3-5-5-6-iii

yes it does

https://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/ef410.html

[jagged epoch]

That's not the IS tho

[minor bough]

hm

i put gaps in all of the names might not have been me

[errant fox]

@jagged epoch @minor bough
I renamed it
https://www.sharplyphoto.com/gear/canon-ef-s18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6-iii

[jagged epoch]

Cool, I'll do it when I get home if no one has done it

[errant fox]

working on reworking some gear edit stuff

Gear Edit Window UI/UX Updates

I want to redesign the gear edit window, there are a few key UX disadvantages and I want to add some features to help with speed.

Issues

• No way to see which fields are unfilled easily
  • Ideas for this include a sidebar with tree view, highlighting unfilled fields, etc.
• No way to edit a specific spec from the gear page without opening the full editor, have to click edit then find it
  • A filter/search for specs within the fields could help with this but a last resort, better to find another way like inline edits or auto focusing a field
• When finding specs on the web, they’re in a different order from the edit form.
  • One really out-there idea I had was a “command line” style way to input like [spec name] [new value]. Kinda complex though, and needs a place to live that makes sense. Maybe could fit along with other changes. Need to have validation. Something like the discord search input when using filters like from: [user name to search] [content]. Would have to use aliases for finding specs (already need aliases for other things)

UI Ideas

Maybe could do like a full page modal/sheet instead of a small one. Could include sidebars on either side for different scopes and uses

[errant fox]

preview of edit changes WIP

[jagged epoch]

Ts gonna destroy my workflow

Unless the sidebar isnt affected by tab-key selection?

Then that's fire

Note: can you make cipa rated stab grayed if no stab is selected

[errant fox]

yes it will be skipped

[errant fox]

yes

[tepid nest]

Nice work Floh

[tepid nest]

the refinement is

[jagged epoch]

Another thing, can we get a proper box that says you have a pending edit submission? Rn if I click edit on smth I alr sent in, it just subtly changes the url

[errant fox]

can u explain more

[jagged epoch]

So rn (last I checked), if I try to edit a piece of gear that I've already previously submitted an edit to (which has not been approved), it does not show a clear indicator of it

It just subtly adds "pending" somewhere in the url

[errant fox]

uhhh ok

let me check

[jagged epoch]

It's not a big thing but useful for ppl who do bulk edits so they can see what they've alr done

If forgetful like me

[errant fox]

yeah actually i have no idea where that behavior even came from

you can see this though right?

[jagged epoch]

Forgot to mention, it's only to pieces that don't have information yet

[errant fox]

oooh

[jagged epoch]

But yes I see that message for other ones

[errant fox]

ok sure

will fix

[jagged epoch]

danke

I think with the contribute tab it's not rlly a problem anymore

But worth it for future snoopers maybe

[errant fox]

All of those fixes + the new edit window are all live

[jagged epoch]

@errant fox

my fucken screenshot skills

uh basically it says camera type on the lens

[jagged epoch]

all ef 18-55s done

[narrow bloom]

erm ahkshully efs

[jagged epoch]

I'm going to violate you

[narrow bloom]

fire

[errant fox]

@jagged epoch

please avoid source = chat gpt

for amazon links everything after this is not needed

also for Canon 14mm f/2 @narrow bloom

is that how you did this so fast by using chat gpt lol square
so is all of your information slightly wrong? because when shawn also did the same item as you he found different data and his is correct and yours isnt

this is how amazon links should look

not .co.uk, not .au, and no parameters in the URL

i wll add some smart features to fix this but keep in mind for now

[jagged epoch]

??????

I've never used chatgpt??

For the items that I did do amazon I just copied the link from url

No all my info is from either canon museum or canonusa spec sheets

[errant fox]

idk you guys both somehow got everything slitghly off for the canon 14mm 2.8L II USM

[jagged epoch]

Which parts

Everything???

I used canon museum tf

[errant fox]

i already approved, but mpb price, release dates were both wrong i think, etc.

didnt look too hard

not everything, the specs are obviuosly pretty hard to mess up

mostly metadata stuff

just double check that one i guess if possible

[jagged epoch]

Sure

I admit to not fully checking whether a few of the kit zooms were internal focus or not, I'll check on those when I have time

[errant fox]

it's not a bad thing to leave things blank 👍

id rather have less accurate data than more wrong data

[jagged epoch]

@errant fox could we get it so that if prime lens is selected, internal zoom is grayed out?

Another thing important to a lot of lenses in the catalogue is that they're discontinued, so we can't get a current msrp

A discontinued button that overrides the current msrp would be nice

[narrow bloom]

almost completely done with canon

@jagged epoch unemployed as fuck

[jagged epoch]

I did more than you

[narrow bloom]

yeah no shit sherlock

im doing 200 f2 rn

[errant fox]

just approved everything

[narrow bloom]

there's a 200 1.8 on mpb rn

[jagged epoch]

Wait I did that alr

[narrow bloom]

??? 💀

lol what

[jagged epoch]

I did like every lens that hasn't been done on the canon list alr

[jagged epoch]

I didn't put in amazon

[jagged epoch]

@errant fox question, how do you avoid adding duplicate items when you add new items?

Does sharply autocheck?

[narrow bloom]

floh product images when

[jagged epoch]

We're using official aren't we

But whatever finish the specs first

[narrow bloom]

we're 1 lens away

[jagged epoch]

Do it

[narrow bloom]

nikon and sony ppl not locked the fuck in

[jagged epoch]

Not all ef has been added I think lol

[narrow bloom]

the fuck

[jagged epoch]

I did a few nikon cams

[narrow bloom]

@minor bough ur black

[jagged epoch]

Nikon spec sheet is disgusting

They need to make smth like Canon Museum vro

It's hard to find specs on old things

[narrow bloom]

they have one but they only include new stuff

like i think after a point they just remove it kek

ok im doing last ef lens currently on here

[jagged epoch]

fire

We still have to add all the ef cams too

[narrow bloom]

bruh we're not even done with those?

[jagged epoch]

No lel

[narrow bloom]

i think i can list all ef cams off the top of my head

[jagged epoch]

You'd forget some

[narrow bloom]

probably

but like 90%

excluding kodak/canon early digital

[jagged epoch]

Rebels 💀

[narrow bloom]

t1i, t2i, t3i, t4i, t5i, t6i, t7i, t8i

not sure which ones are like

non-i

ik t5 and t7 exist

1d, 1d2, 1d3, 1d4, 1ds, 1ds2, 1ds3, 1dx, 1dx2, 1dx3, 5d, 5d2, 5d3, 5d4, 6d, 6d2, 7d, 7d2, 10d, 20d, 20da, 30d, 40d, 50d, 60d, 60da, 70d, 80d, 90d, sl1, sl2, sl3, t1i, t2i, t3i, t4i t5i, t6i, t7i, t8i, t5, t7

[jagged epoch]

ok go add them

[narrow bloom]

oh and 5ds and 5dsr

and 1dc

[narrow bloom]

i cant add bruh

[jagged epoch]

Skill issue

[minor bough]

im in the middle of exams give me a break bro

after the 7th ill add the rest

[narrow bloom]

ok lmao

[errant fox]

i think because if some logic with merging changes on the same item, im not that mad about it

would rather over credit than under

[errant fox]

yes we have some automated checks

very fuzzy search logic will match any similar name and require a confirmation that it's different

[errant fox]

will work on it soon

[narrow bloom]

so that we can add?

[errant fox]

uhhh, probably not

[jagged epoch]

While lexi has exams I could add thingamajigs

[errant fox]

requires photoshopping out the background and stuff

[jagged epoch]

If I had admin ofc

[errant fox]

ill give u rn but im redoing roles later and will prob just erase everyone

[jagged epoch]

Cool cool

[errant fox]

then re-add

[errant fox]

please just be careful, don't do any like AI CSV lists or anything

bulk add form exists, but prefer single adding when possible

and ask here about naming if not sure

we're heavy preferring exactly as it appears on manufacturer website

[jagged epoch]

Alr

I have enough time to do everything manually anyway

@errant fox for the canon rebel series, what region are we using for the naming?

[errant fox]

US for everything for now

will add alts later

[jagged epoch]

Kk

[wispy slate]

[shy solar]

do you keep backups

also maybe use webp to load images faster, if you can implement some auto converter

[shy solar]

put it on the kanban board so you dont forget

[jagged epoch]

@errant fox do we add these

jap only versions

[narrow bloom]

????

20da is astro-modified 20d

nothing to do with japan only

same with 60da, Ra

[jagged epoch]

ok i add

[jagged epoch]

@narrow bloom @minor bough do I separate 5ds/5dsr

They just have aa filter diff

[minor bough]

May aswell

[jagged epoch]

Alr

ok every canon ef body excluding cinema line has been added

Get to work @narrow bloom

Oh m bodies too

[errant fox]

We have point in time recovery

Going to make hard backups as well

[errant fox]

Which ones are slow?

[jagged epoch]

Theyre instant for me

Zlushiie network issue

[shy solar]

None specifically, just faster is always better.

[shy solar]

Could say that running some video game on your $4000 machine is good performance, but it's always great to make it better lol

[jagged epoch]

A fuckload of ef lenses added

[errant fox]

i guess this is basically your site now

u can take over

[tepid nest]

lol

[errant fox]

@jagged epoch no teleconveters/adapters/boosters rn

i'll delete

[errant fox]

smh

[errant fox]

Does anyone have
~14mm, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 70mm, 85mm, 105mm, 135mm, 200mm, 400mm
all covered?
doesn't need to be primes, just want to make an actually useful focal length comparison tool

[narrow bloom]

i've only got 17, 24, 35, 50, 70, 100-400 covered
and my 24-70 is gone rn so only 17, 24, 35, then straight to 100-400

[errant fox]

i guess i just should get a 35mm and 50mm and then i would have it all

or i can just make it with my 40 instead

[narrow bloom]

could just crop too

[narrow bloom]

https://wispdevon.github.io/focal-length/index.html dev has this btw

[errant fox]

yeah but there's no accuracy to these types at all

i want to just show the same subject captured at different popular focal lengths

ideally without moving camrea

[narrow bloom]

ah

[errant fox]

these fake displays are useless basically

it all depends what FL the original image was shot at

like 50 would not actually be this tight most likely

because it's actually 50mm + whatever FL the original is (sorta)

this is assumign the math is even accurate

[narrow bloom]

yeah

[errant fox]

i guess you're meant to compare the blue line to orange, by setting the blue to whatever you think the original image was shot at

but just guesses

[versed fjord]

i have all of these

except 14

i have 15 though

[errant fox]

that works

would you be down to find a decent landscape type scene and shoot all of those focal legnths

i gotta form a real plan for this first, but could great i think

[wispy slate]

square is unemployed

[narrow bloom]

"haltin is stupid" ahh statement

[versed fjord]

my area is not the greatest but yeah itd be possible

ill see what i can find while you figure out whats needed

[errant fox]

i mean it can be something else too

a car, idk typical subjects

we should have multiple options

so whatever is easy

[versed fjord]

will just take my car somewhere then and get that done first

so just same location of camea but going up fl range?

[errant fox]

Yeah, but idea is to not move the camera.

So try to make sure composition is at least acceptable at both 15mm and 400 at same place

Might be impossible. Maybe just do like 15-200 or 15-135 if needed. Can be different for each one

[versed fjord]

ill do all ranges gor funsies

[errant fox]

Like 200 or 400 could be a detail shot of mirror

Just don’t move the camera at all, put on tripod then just zoom and change lenses

[versed fjord]

ill try get the sensor in one position as best as conveniently possible

ofc will be harder due to the 400 being 7lbs

but ill try mark it out

[errant fox]

It’s not that serious for this

[versed fjord]

of course yeah lenses arent entirely accurate to the mm anyway

just will try and keep it as close as possible to the same

[narrow bloom]

i feel like im yapping too much about AF

[errant fox]

this is just english nitpicking but this is not a proper use of comma

Should be
The body feels very nice in the hands; it feels sturdy and durable.

2 separate but related thoughts

dont think its yapping about AF too much, its pretty short

just sentence structure is a little choppy and repetitive

could use longer and more varied

(...if you're asking me about what would be required for sharply, otherwise do whatever you want)

[narrow bloom]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15McdJmSah5LGbYBavkqIcYcQo9Bw4JhaK65KtUl6kwM/edit?usp=sharing does it still feel a bit choppy?

[errant fox]

much better

[narrow bloom]

ah ok

[errant fox]

flagship sports body. It is a sports and action focused camera body,
this is repeating the same idea

[narrow bloom]

true

can you highlight stuff and make comments on the doc so i can fix it?

[errant fox]

sure gimme a bit

[narrow bloom]

oh @errant fox i think you're on my "portfolio version", click "sharply version" on the left

[errant fox]

ok yeah still a bit choppy

better though

like this is 2 sentences
Battery life is also amazing, supplying enough power for thousands of shots on a single charge. I’ve very rarely used more than one battery in a single day, but I always bring my second one just in case.

could just be
With enough power for thousands of photos on a single charge I rarely ever need to use more than one battery on a day of shooting.

This:

The autofocus system is the best on a DSLR that I’ve ever used. Single point and Zone AF are snappy and accurate, given you have lenses with fast AF motors. I am comfortable using the face detect AF mode on the camera.

Could be:

The autofocus system features snappy and accurate single point and Zone AF modes as well as a comfortable performance in face detect AF mode which overall results in one of the best AF performances of a DSLR I have experienced.

stuff like that

that last one is kinda weird, but hopefully you get the idea

again this is just my preference basically lol

im pretty nerdy about english tho

[jagged epoch]

Thanks for the guidelines, as I'm going to be writing R10 review today

[minor bough]

pet peeve but the text design on the front page looks a bit odd, maybe make it bold instead?

it is a bit jarring

[errant fox]

wym by "text design"

and which would you want to be bold?

[minor bough]

the title of the page "were bringing photography into the future"

the formatting is off

[errant fox]

wait is this mobile?

[minor bough]

nah pc

[errant fox]

ok let me look

@minor bough do these look normal to you

[minor bough]

theyre fine

its just when youre on the main page

[errant fox]

home page?

[minor bough]

no punctuation

and no seperation

[errant fox]

ooooh

just the description?

[minor bough]

yeah yk what i mean

yup

[errant fox]

ok yeah, that will be changed

[jagged epoch]

I am happy to report that every canon EF, EF-M and RF lens has been added

Excluding cinema lenses

[shy solar]

why such big spacers with small text

[jagged epoch]

how tf did jordan write such a long review

I get 600 character capped

@errant fox could you also delete the teleconverters as per your request, I can't

[narrow bloom]

add my 1dx2 review to page

[jagged epoch]

Idfk how

[minor bough]

You have to add it yourself and then it gets approved

[narrow bloom]

@crude stream fuck you

[narrow bloom]

ok i do later im studying

[crude stream]

mf what

[narrow bloom]

do i add as a note or what

found it

i think?

[minor bough]

try and find out ig

[narrow bloom]

its not the right thingy

why 600 character limit smh

my review 2237 characters

[minor bough]

loser

[narrow bloom]

die

[errant fox]

I added limit after that lmao

@narrow bloom there are user reviews and official reviews

Anyone can leave user review up to 600 characters

[jagged epoch]

What is official

Floh review

In the future we could have Editor Review

Reviews...by editors

Of things that they own

[errant fox]

By people chosen to be writers

Or hopefully paid one day

[minor bough]

so we could for instance have someone here write a review, we peer edit it and just straight up upload it

[errant fox]

No editing needed hopefully

[jagged epoch]

Reminds me of that youtuber who let like 12000 people edit his essay simultaneously

[shy solar]

What is hosting all this

[errant fox]

Vercel

Neon

[errant fox]

https://www.sharplyphoto.com/gear/canon-eos-r6-mark-iii

https://www.sharplyphoto.com/news/canon-announces-the-eos-r6-mark-iii-a-hybrid-powerhouse-for-photo-and-video

[minor bough]

how are these articles written

[errant fox]

AI 💀

need to redo them later

before real launch gotta go through the articles and redo them

just trying to get some stuff on the page and test features

(don't share things outside this chat yet)

[minor bough]

Ah alr

[jagged epoch]

Racism

[shy solar]

redo alt text for images too right

[errant fox]

If needed I guess

[shy solar]

can we make a comparison tools that does everything

like ISO perf, specs, DR chart, all in one

[jagged epoch]

Bro finish the specs first

Rushing smh my head

[errant fox]

Yes that’s the idea

But we don’t have ISO performance or DR lol

[errant fox]

@jagged epoch we need to be putting "NIKKOR" in the lens names

[jagged epoch]

I didn't add these

[errant fox]

o

[jagged epoch]

Ive barely done any nikon

Like 2 lenses and a few bodies I think

I sneeps tmrw ill come back and so some things after I do military

[errant fox]

Nikon lens names 🥀

[narrow bloom]

the fuck is ed again

😭

extra low dispersion

weird

[errant fox]

there's good content here about a more accessible MTF testing method https://www.dyxum.com/dforum/diy-lens-mtf-testing_topic103701.html

[jagged epoch]

Interesting

[errant fox]

https://sharplyphoto.com/gear/nikon-af-s-nikkor-50mm-f-1-8g

https://sharplyphoto.com/gear/nikon-af-s-dx-nikkor-35mm-f-1-8g

[jagged epoch]

I got sidetracked and did absolutely nothing today

[narrow bloom]

50 1.8g very cool

whart?

[crystal coyote]

it's the new price from Nikon's website

They still sell it I guess

[errant fox]

yeah still debating which price to make the primary display

[shy solar]

How open is the data

[errant fox]

As open as you want it to be

[shy solar]

I mean like is there plans to make it downloadable as a json or like an API or something

[errant fox]

Yes paid API for developers is a future goal

And besides that I think it’s pretty open already haha, any can be viewed any anyone, and edited by anyone

[minor bough]

i guess at the moment the website is semi-private, we're not publically advertising or anything yet

im done with exams today, so ill help out a bit more

[jagged epoch]

I have a free period so I'll try to do it

On ipad

That'll be fun

[narrow bloom]

@errant fox senor que

[errant fox]

https://

[narrow bloom]

oh

i submitted without mpb link

[jagged epoch]

Fuck you stop using hdr videos

It desaturates my screen weirdly

[narrow bloom]

whar

[jagged epoch]

My screen has to switch to a different colour space to view hdr videos

[narrow bloom]

just dont switch it

smh

[jagged epoch]

Vro how am I supposed to watch iphone vids

Hdr videos should not exist

[shy solar]

https:// you fucking idiot

[tepid nest]

Can you not be a turd in here. It was already covered.

[narrow bloom]

product foto

[tepid nest]

Need a better background at least

[narrow bloom]

i lost my big paper

could just remove bg in post..?

i'll try

does the light look good?

i just used LR auto HDR blending with flashes from different angles

[jagged epoch]

No too much shadow

[narrow bloom]

i should boost shadows more??

[jagged epoch]

[narrow bloom]

yes or no you clanker

[jagged epoch]

No you cunt

There's too much shadow and reflection

[narrow bloom]

the fuck do i do about that

[jagged epoch]

Get a proper lightning setup

[narrow bloom]

i have 1 flash and lightroom hdr merging

[jagged epoch]

Get more flash

[narrow bloom]

no

[jagged epoch]

And a proper backdrop

[narrow bloom]

backdrop maybe

[jagged epoch]

Ideally you would have a whole studio

For this

Bare minimum bounce flash

[wispy slate]

get roll of butcher paper

[jagged epoch]

Toilet paper

[narrow bloom]

TRUE

[wispy slate]

butcher paper the way

[jagged epoch]

Shawn has lots of toilet paper for jorking

Nah wtf

[narrow bloom]

💀

[wispy slate]

cheap as shit

700ft

[jagged epoch]

Someone with access to IKEA and has a lot of cameras could build one of those mini studios

[wispy slate]

this is the way

[jagged epoch]

With the curved backdrop and stuff

Stubby

[wispy slate]

I used butcher paper for my 85 listing

[errant fox]

the light is all wrong unfortunately

im not sure exactly how they usually do it but probably start with super soft split lighting and have one side be stronger

or a single light directly above super diffused

and yeah white paper backdrop easiest way

[jagged epoch]

I am works on sharply rn

[vernal olive]

[crude stream]

balls

[tepid nest]

they grow up so fast

[crude stream]

damn

[errant fox]

im surprised that we have only 587 and we have decent coverage of the big 3

acutally jk

sony is empty

[tepid nest]

rip

[errant fox]

those 85mm gonna fill it up real fast

one day I hope i can provide a stat of how much server costs just the sony 85mm lenses contribute to

[cosmic dagger]

I wonder why it’s such a common cheapo China focal length

[crude stream]

probably target market? lotta people like 85 for portraits

[vernal olive]

wheres the main site for this

[errant fox]

https://sharplyphoto.com

@vernal olive if u wanna write shit on here u can do as much as you want, i'm making a "learn" section with educational stuff

and discord commands

[vernal olive]

ill need to check it out

[errant fox]

still working on it but here's example

[crystal coyote]

Idk about you guys but when I look searching for specific body specs, it's always stuff that isn't currently covered by Sharply like buffer size / max fps of mech vs elec shutter / video formats. This makes competently comparing mirrorless bodies near impossible and with DSLRs the lack of buffer size is still annoying. With staff verdicts it's for sure useful for beginners but at this state I'm still going to the manufactures' sites whenever I need to look something up.

I can't complain about the lens spec options though 👍

[errant fox]

yeah will add buffer

splitting fps by shutter type is planned as well as better video formats

the latter 2 are pretty complex

Buffer size varies based on the file size option, which means we would have to have all of them listed

right?

[errant fox]

where are you finding buffer information? I can't find on nikon site

[jagged epoch]

I think we can take smth like dpreview for buffer info

[tepid nest]

I could swear I’ve seen it mentioned in some of the Nikon specs

[errant fox]

The good thing is that it’s crowd sourced so we don’t actually have to be the ones to figure it out 👍 👍 👍

If someone has the camera they can just add it

[tepid nest]

Oh I don’t think it was the spec pages

I think they list them in the manuals. Z9 for example.

I knew I saw them somewhere and I knew the AI was grabbing them from a Nikon source.

[jagged epoch]

For the buffer menu, we could do smth similar to the card slots: add as many buffer options as listed

So has options for each file size/type, and framerate

[errant fox]

Made something cool

[cosmic dagger]

That’s slick

[errant fox]

working on more cool stuff

still open to fonts for the top text if anyone has any they know of

this one is good but maybe a little too curly

[narrow bloom]

oh yum

[minor bough]

Was gonna say it's a bit too much

Something formal like that but a little less would be nice

[jagged epoch]

Unreadable to less educated people

I think the description should be more prominent too

[jagged epoch]

@errant fox I can't enter use cases for lenses, did you tweak something?

it's grayed out

[errant fox]

Yes disabled globally for now

Not sure how it’s actually going to be used

[jagged epoch]

Make a Jordan-style chart

Bullshit

[errant fox]

updated

[minor bough]

thats much nicer imo

[shy solar]

lowercase kinda throws it off no? only thing ive seen thats lowercase lol

[errant fox]

it's a popular design decision

and who said everything has to be same case lol

[shy solar]

Shrug~1

[errant fox]

also not bad

but i like the fancy decenders on the f

easy to change at any time

[errant fox]

working on more cool stuff

[jagged epoch]

are we gonna be able to add pics?

[narrow bloom]

sample photos shot with (gear item)

when

[shy solar]

And automated reading of exif data

[errant fox]

wym

[errant fox]

eventually (hopefully maybe)

[errant fox]

been working for days on how to do video shit

its fucking hard to find a good way to display this stuff and input it

it's all so convoluted

its like nearly impossible to do it 100% accurately

[shy solar]

why not make fps increase downward

[errant fox]

why make it increase downward

i think resolution ascending and fps descending is probably most logical actually

[errant fox]

i'm thinking this is the most reasonable way to approach it

[crystal coyote]

Looks good yeah

Might also be worth it to implement video sampling? Like 4:2:2 and other funny numbers I don't understand

[errant fox]

that's more of a feature of the codec itself rather than specific to the camera isn't it?

like h.265 10-bit is always 4:2:0 or no?

[errant fox]

how does this look

[shy solar]

nice

altho i think it should follow video game coloring of like green blue purple red yellow

in increasing bits

[errant fox]

wym

[shy solar]

8 bit is green (common)
10 bit is blue (uncommon)
12 bit is purple (rare)
14 bit is red (legendary)
16 bit is legendary (yellow)

[errant fox]

oh i see

16 bit video would be wild

[jagged epoch]

Manufacturer sites usually put resolution as the vertical axis btw

And fps horizontally

I can't give my opinion on what's better because I've been desensitised by data crunching in my early years

Looks good tho

[errant fox]

video specs are live on the site now

[errant fox]

where do you find these buffer measurements?

i was looking at some manufacturer spec pages and manuals but all of them specify some buffer information that doesnt actually translate into the real size of the internal buffer in real use as far as I could tell

[crystal coyote]

Canon lists it properly sometimes

this is for the R50 by Canon Cyprus

[errant fox]

need to confirm that those numbers are actullay accurate

[crystal coyote]

But with the R5ii it only lists the 12B/s buffer when it goes up to 30B/s

idk

[errant fox]

we looked into it for the Z9, the manual and tech specs online say it has like 79 photo buffer

but the actual number on the camera while youre actually shooting it starts at a max of 12

and this was 2 people with 2 different cards

(card shouldnt even impact this number)

Z6iii I think is always 43

[crystal coyote]

Yeah at this point it might just be best to ask individual people for each body to verify

We got at least one active guy for every Z cam in here for sure

[errant fox]

Also I’m wondering if this buffer spec is even really relevant:

any camera that came out in the last year has basically infinite buffer as long as you have a reasonable SD card.

And if the tech specs aren’t consistent might not be worth the trouble

[crystal coyote]

The R50 is the main reason why I suggested the buffer feature but besides it I also can't think of anything else where it's a real issue

We do end up talking about it here quite a bit though I feel like

How Z9 buffer is basically endless, R10 > R50 for action, ...

[tepid nest]

Buffers seem to be something maybe if manufacturers list it we give that number and then add notes for first hand real world usage or something?

But notes would only be useful if giving photo format and exact card and specs used I think?

[errant fox]

Step one is figure out:

1. Do all (at least the big 3) brands show the actual buffer remaining while shooting
2. Does it change based on what card is in the camera or not

[versed fjord]

1. yes*
   its never the full amount afaik

nikon has a weird system

r043 then lets you take infinite

[errant fox]

The r043 is like a glass of water

As you take photos it empties

But as the camera writes to the card it fills

It just writes to the card so fast that the glass never empties

I wish i had slower cards to test out if it ever changes from 43