#Bird Photography
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I dont know if my R50 is worse at handling noise or if im using the wrong editimg software
def both
i have an r5ii
but i think it's mostly the editing software
do u have the raw?
Im looking to upgrade both body and lens but not sure which to start with. Ive been eyeing both the sigma 150-600 5.6-6.3 and the ef 400 f5.6L
Somewhere 😂
honestly the lens u have is great for the price
Taken a few thousand pictures last year
if u should buy something it's prob better editing software
Just wish it was brighter at 400
darktable def fucked u up there
i feel u im wide open at f7.1
Af and Is is super
Been thinking of checking out DxO
lightroom classic has decent denoise and most ppl use it to edit
two in one
dxo is amazing for denoise
i bought it recently
i only have ver 3 but still amazing
Ive heard great thing about it too
dude yea version 6 is crazy
u def need a good base image tho
it can't turn shit into gold
if u find the raw for this send it to me
i'll run it through dxo
the subject looks quite sharp
i bet it'll look great
Oh I didn't know that actually, thought it was 6.3
how do u guys crop images like this when birds are in single trees in fields etc? or are these usually not good images when its just a blue background?
this is unedited
this is my edited version
oh nwm this was a different picture
sadly blurry 🙁
yes, sadly
My favorite shot of mr jay
This one I got quite happy with even though it was shot at F8
this lovely
nice, still havent gotten one of them acctualy flying...
I got a series of it flying, was really satisfying
Sadly the R50 is bad at continiuos shooting
they are so unpredictable... xD @fresh epoch
Ooof, yeah they are
It was dark so had to use 1/800 :c
one second here, the other out of frame
The R50 sadly only have a continuous shooting speed of 12 pictures/s but a buffer of only 9 pictures in raw. So it bogs down in 3/4th's of a second
This one was also 400mm at F8
grosbeaks have such character, always fun to observe
Also, they are plenty pretty sitting/standing too
Really want to see one
You see them mostly at night here or before summer. Forgot what that is in English 
Going from a point and shoot to a top-of-the-line mirrorless is a wild jump
Snow grouse. I usually see them in the morning to early lunch time
Thought on these photos? I am considering cropping the lamp post on the first photo because I wanted to capture a sense of taking off but the position doesn't necessarily suggest that
Remove the lamp in the first photo
Any comments on exposure, colors, etc?
aw man just came here and its raining 
saw some great crested grebes and a common ringed plover
i mean noise not photo n oise
they make noise when u click the button
man
what's this
Is this serious
Meh I didn't see that I just replied to noise
oh ok
Shit ton of haze from the sun
Should have used your hood
haze u mean the temperature
How?
Glare not haze
i mean how can i use my hood for that
You uhh
IT's difficult
put it on on camera?
Yes
???
ohhh right
i don't have that
.
i thought u were referring to this
I forget you have a shit camera
yea
One question
why do i have heat haze if there is only 16º
It's not heat haze
It's the sun shining at an angle onto your lens
No no, i'm seeing with my eyes
could this be good
It’s better than my pheasant shots
#1041487027255914566 message
@naive fiber
Auto iso crashout
Blown out highlights 😢
Can’t fucking find common redstart
This can’t be real
A bee just flew close to my ear so in a reflex I went to slap it away and while pull ing my hand up or whatever I hit this knob
holy mosquito bites
get gloves
Thick ones I need
But then I will sweat
This is all from when I photographed that deer
better than getting bitten imo
I always slapped the mosquitoes away but when that deer was behind me i didn’t dare to move so it doesn’t notice me but welp too late already
Just counted again now it’s 44 bites
The time I’m close enough to a swan in Sweden finally, it’s just a mute swan 😭
Like bro pls just turn into a whopper swan
MERLIN????
Poor guy
what stuff
?
i think when the tick grows a bit more its gonna fall off
btw do you guys know is it normal for a squirrel to come 5m from the living room window every day to find something to eat, i was thinking maybe the squirrel is just a baby and his mom isnt able to feed him
is that a baby?
it seems a bit small
u can adopt him
I think it’s normal
There is thus squirrel that also always comes up to the house we’re at rn
where can i search for squirrels?
I saw birds with ticks as well
Trees
You just gotta wait
I just saw a red backed shrike (80%sure) and my camera wouldn’t focus 😭
How can i make this photo even better
foreground too bright
yeah that's not bad
I mean i like the photo but i think it could be better maybe?
Only raised exposure on my phone and cropped
is that at a public place?
send better pic
Yes
zoom in when taking the photo through the viewfinder so it adjusts brightness properly
Omg google autocorrect is shit
I ask that because if I lie down in a public place to take pictures, people look at me strangely.
I just put my camera on the ground
Closest I got 💔
Nah I mean send a better pic of the photo you have
and how do u photograph it
what's a merlin
@tough hull
Merlin
a bird
can u show me a merlin
Merlin said it’s Merlin to all pics lmao
oh ok
Lol
Nah definitely a kestrel
too light for a merlin and they also dont have the Black band on the tail feathers
I keep on missing focus
omg what's that
Great tit
At its best
It’s at the tree but if I’m close they won’t go in
So I wait here and when one goes in I go towards there fast and get ready
Kestrel
Yeah
Think merlins have thicker tail patterns
Merlin also says it now
aarvs
Wish I would have been closer
My man blud
wat
I pressed the shutter button...
oh ok
Think he said about 50 times in the last 2 days where he was
i mean the photo
That would've been a great shot
in a tree...
No crop
There’s an icterine warblers somewhere here
I also saw it fly away
Just heard it
@undone slate when are u upgrading to the a9iii?
You would be a profesional with that gear in no time
Flycatchers are easy though
Lmao
I know
I'm looking to get the r10 now
Because you didn't have the budget or what
So i can spend more on lens
Are you going to get a used body
What get the 100-500?
probably
Yeah
a bit expensive but i could get it
is this one for the r10? @naive fiber
Yeah that'd be 800mm ffeq
what's bad about my goldfinch photo 😭
Full frame equivalent
like the r6 ii
but i think that is impossible to get better quality photos than the r6 ii
The r6 is full frame yeah
What
R5ii?
That exists
The r5ii is better than the r6ii
if i can get better quality photos compraed to the r6 ii
yes but i'm asking this
because i'm going to buy the r6 ii or the r10 so i wanna know
Why are you comparing yourself to the body
The body isn't doing it for you
You are using the camera
It does not matter this much
why
But if u have same lens
but different body ( r6 ii vs r10
The r6 isn't magically going to take better photos for you
Yes the r6 will have better iso performance and low light ect
But the difference isn't that great in daytime
Bird photography doesn't really require the biggest dynamic range in the world tbh
ye
I got the whole process of him catching the fish
I don't do astro
why not
u should try
notversly but how do u have photos with a lot of quality
with ur camera
@wide flint
Because sensor sizeeeeessss
My camera is a 24.3mp full frame
It will have good quality
and r10 has 24,2 i think
Doesn't mean I will always take a good photo
Sick bro
same mp as r6 ii
Yes
There is no point in doing that
That’s why I wanted CFesxpress lol
I really gotta get better SD cards
My buffer is 10 photos lol
why?
Do you understand that body doesn't really matter that much now
Is he?
yes?
I read the messages
ok
That's because he has the money for it
It matters less than you think
The R5 has better cropping than the r6
Will there be that much of a difference?
yeah
Only really in focus and cropping
R5ii will be sharper but the r6ii is still sharp with a good lens
Another nuthatch nest
I need to look for these
Never heard one
is that on a tree?
I’m not gonna answer that
No it's flying in the sky
Where is this idiot
Yeah that’s true
...
Just cleaned the sensor
Why does dust have to exist
Now there's dust on my mirror
I can't win
this?
Dust is a collection of fine, dry particles of solid matter. Indoors, it is a heterogeneous mixture of roughly 30–50% dead skin cells, mixed with hair, fabric fibers, food crumbs, pollen, dust mites, and microscopic dirt. Outdoors, it consists of soil, volcanic ash, pollution, and even cosmic dust.
i didn't knew that
Nice sparrow! 
is that a baby or juvenile?
denoised it with DXO cause lightroom results were mid
juvenile
is dxo expensive?
140 euros
it's a 1 time payment for arguably the best denoising software u can get so not really
Soooo prettyyyyyy🤩 🤩
only for RAW right?
yes
ok
(went canoing yesterday, only saw ducks)
Yeah, also they are very chill birds
Nothing bother them
if they're used to humans
the ones around here just fly away if u get withing 50m of them
Yeah, the place I go is a hotspot for canoing
I heard there are very chill foxes there too, but I have yet to see one
teeth
Who cares
It’s not on the image
Why is slow shutter photography so hard ????? Hahahaha
true its only noticable if I press the preview button when its stopped down to f13
This one looks great, sparrows are so tiny it is hard to fill the frame with them. Was that a crop?
yeah
@grizzled nebula Challenge: get slow shutter tern shot with blurred wings
you'll have to way for the 12th for me to be able to do that
Either blurred bird or sharp bird
Not a heavy crop, nice
@naive fiber guess the shutterspeed
I guess it hit minimal focus distance?
Idk why it’s flipped
I will try this challenge today aswell 👀
It’s so hard
Either body blurred or everything sharp
1/1600?
Oh slow shutter
1/600
@daring imp I want you to guess
No
And no
1/30
Can you give me an indicator here
More
Lower
1/200?
1/60
Lower
More
1/100
1/120
Lower
1/80
Fucking hell
Yeah
Yeah
Do you like torturing yourself
1/80 (def didn't cheat)
I can’t fucking get blurry wings but for some reason whole bird?
talking about myself
joking cause i saw the answer before answering
that's not blurred
Bruh dumbass me
Unfortunately
Got one at 1/8 last winter @naive fiber
That's sick
Amazing shot
idk how with 1/80 is not blurred
i've never seen snow 😭
only little
it was more ice than snow
😭
this was at 1/250
why so little
NO
@grizzled nebula what's ur max iso for birds
with good quality
because for r10 is only 3200 the max iso
6400
with good quality
i thought it was 42.000
with dxo u can go higher
depends on the subject..
are u planning to get a mw landscape lens
if it's a bear for example i could probs go to 42000 iso and get usable results if it fills the frame but a small bird no
Yeah
i just use my 24-105
All the other shots
this is gonna happen
just wait a little bit
i don't like that phot
I know mine
Please show
#🏭・human-made message
Because i don't
but why? that's cool
HE DOESNT WANT TO APPARENTLY DONT YOU GET IT
but why he doesn't want
all people like that
Don’t ask
most of people
#🌳・nature message i believe this is my most upvoted picture
Oh I upvoted it
I am in space right now.
Before
Yeah
W shot
It's always the genres I don't do
I don't think I would ever do people that's my only person shot ever
how can i find my most upvoted photo
Hours of searching
Thanks
Cheetahs are cute lol
Yeah, they are the centerpiece of the whole place. There are like 6 different places where you can see them.
#🦀・creatures message second most liked pic i have i believe
Funny thing is that I didn't even want to take it at 1/2000, I was taking birds and forgot to swap for the cheetahs lol
lol relatable
So I ended up with a 4000 iso shot
Thank god for modern denoise
that water looks cold asf
dipper
Ye
no not this again
they're VERY difficult
no luck
VERY VERY VERY VERY
he wasn't shy
ye they arent
he saw me walk towards him but didn't move
And how long were you there?
common is one of the slowest ones as well
5 minutes
Hmm looks cool
Premium Clouds (29,99€ / month)
i prefer ISO 67
☹️
W O R K
goodluck with that
bro
u want me to give u my IP adress while ur at it
asking too many questions
Have you guys ever done a action sequence shot? Gonna try and edit one from yesterday!
nope
Just get a job my man, i started work at like 13. I worked extra before and after school. Could buy my own computers and phones as a teenager. And then a car at 16
You're gonna realize that the people with all these photography gear had a job before doing photography to afford all their stuff so don't sit around and whine about not having a job, if you want something you need to find your own encouragement and determination
A job and a bad spending habit 
Cameras was the worst thing that ever happened to me. Money wise

For me its a combination of old cars and photography
yes
I’m gonna buy a 600 f4
Are they expensive used in Africa?
great idea
Idk I’ll probably buy it in Austria, the UK, or the US
Wherever I can get it cheapest
US will most likely be the cheapest
@astral saffron try Germany. We finns buy cheap shit from there
Do you know what websites? I found a used one of Facebook Marketplace in the UK and then of course there is EBay
Any website honestly there is good! Can Google for you when im home!
Gonna drive on random forest roads now and see what I can find
How much you gonna spend?
I have a Sony so only 1 option if I want a 600 f4
I think af don't work then if i remember correctly
It’s going to be Sony
it does appartently
I need good AF and full 30 FPS
that's why i didn't go with sony
their limitations on 3rd party are dumb
You gonna spend the 15k on the sony f4?
No Ive only ever bought used lenses
Link?
Unc moment
warranty until the 18/11/2026 too
Well shit I fly into Paris end of June actually
if u can't find any better prices i'd suggest asking the seller to reserve it for you
usually they say yes
just saw he doesn't want to delivery so the buyer can try it out (and probably doesn't want to risk shipping damage) which means u either need to push him to change his mind or go to toulouse lol
Tried mpb? @astral saffron
thats perfect if no wind
yeah it feels warmer tbh
i heard a cuckoo today
no heating but idm
Fu 😭 going to africa soon with dad aswell on his 60 bday hopefully! Dream place
I hear them every day here in osterbottnia 👀 never see them
i hear curlews everyday
would take me about 24h to get to anywhere in africa lol
except if it's morroco or algeria
Cuckoo = finnish summer moment @tender galleon
and blackbird
I may take a hike to lake alice
they have a shit ton of birds
i hear cuckoos everyday but can't see them
i want my 600 to taste the african sand
I was close asf to photographing one last summer in a bear hide... But my 600mm f4 too big so couldnt turn it where he was 😂😭 got pissed. My only chance so far...
istg everyone has a 600 f4 there
probably more 400 2.8's ngl
People use shorter lenses/even wide on safari. Animals are close there
100-500 + 600 F/4 + TC + 24-105 is the perfect kit
A lepoard walked up to us once
they do get stupidly close
i really like that the 100-500 goes to 100mm
why not the 24-70 instead of the 24-105
because i already have a 24-105 lol
oh lol
My widest super tele goes to 28mm 👀
28-300 white lens 🔥
i'm surprised that the white paint is actually really useful on very hot days
does it make that big of a difference?
Yup my lenses never felt hot
Yup. They market them as heat resistant. Some special coat if i remember correctly
hmm cool
white phone got nothing on yall on merlin bird id in 28c
whys it so damn consuming
Sauna phone
I can take the back of my phone off its in tatters
i can even when cold
yeah so can I
water damage#
I'm gluing it back up on that note
Any ideas as to what this is, merlin has no clue
Live from Kenya you’ll love it
8th time Im going back lol
only been to masai mara once and sadly cant go again this time, just dont have the time
Anyone else photograph wildlife from the car here? Works extremely well most of the time. Pretty good hide
You should go from an African safari 
Hopefully when dad turn 60
On a Finnish safari atm 
most finnish road ever 

Bean bag + car is a pretty common setup
I’ve also done scooter
But it’s less of a hide and more of a run and gun
Have to see the grandparents yknow
Yes, birds aren't too scared of humans when they're in a car
All my ram T.T
At the sun
Weak
I tried to merge exposures to keep shadows a bit cleaner as well, but LR keeps crashing 🙁
I have another one that i need to merge that is just as wide, but also has a layer above and below
Damn the boomers really love my pics on fb lol
Make higher res
im not gonna ai upscale lol
Do it with more panels
I missed some panels here unfortunately
Zoom in more then
i was pretty symmetrical on the sides and didnt need the height
ye
The only editing software I know of that accepts this kind of res is affinity
Almost a GB wow
Ye
Anyway, bouta camp out to watch 3 belted kingfishers that have moved onto my property
Nice
I suck
Yeah
that's so low
Still though
Basically new
It's low yeah but also, 9k pictures in 2 weeks is a decent rate lol
First half of my current shuttercount happened within 8 months, second half within like 2
I took 8000 today
Used or new
that's basically going out every day and having actual things to take pics of
used but when i got it it was at 12k SC
Ight
Do you transfer them over mid shoot or just have massive SD/cfs
Today was crazy for me though
8000 50mp files 
I feel like i very rarely come home with over 2000 anymore, but im also more choosey than i was before
dual 1.6tb cfe only $900 
oof
I transfer every time I come back from safari so after every morning and evening game drive
i think i'll just abandon what i had in my formatted hard drive
and get an extra 2gb for free
yeah that seems sensible enough
I have 1 pair of 320 GB and 1 pair of 160 GB and write to both at the same time to ensure backups
@naive fiber what’s your shuttercount
8k?
F
Ill check in a bit if I can find a recent raw
Oh fuck just forgot I wanna photograph some covks
Pretty normal. I take plenty of shots and keep the best poses
*woodcocks
give me 1 drive
It’s of one bird
????
wtf
20tb is that a nas or does your computer just have a crap ton of massive drives
when i go to camargue i can easily take over 10K pics in 2 days
the fuck
NAS yeah
ironwolf hdd? i have a 10tb one that has failed sadly :c
I feel like this is my only good shot
could put all 3 of my hard drives in there
I got my first mirrorless cam in December and I’ve already racked up about 15k😭
and still have more than half the storage left
I need to do something with the video files, thats whats taking up so much space
need to sort mine out
how much was the nas? planning to get one instead of gear
its so fucked rn
130 euros TAX ahahahhah
over half of the used space is unused video
These kingfishers conviently think it’s time to go the second I get out here
what's the max TB u can get without a server?
depends on mobo
cheap, here they are 811€ lol
that's only 30 euros more
You buy these hard drives to run in RAID not a single one
oh thought it was 650e, red text fkd me
yeah nas drives fail after several years, maybe less, so you need multiple for redundancy
I bought a used Synology DS920+ for $200 and put in new drives 4x 8tb drives at like $160 each
I wish my Samsung T7 weren’t so expensive now
mines an old pc lmao
I get around 10mb/s upload before the cpu bottlenecks
maybe 10mbps
I think the latter is more likely
Yo, I’m getting scared rn
I’m sitting on the ground in camo on the treeline waiting for kingfishers and I lowk think there’s a wild boar somewhere behind me
might get myself a 8TB drive
boars here are scared as shit
saw one come out of nowhere last time and it just ran away
The ones here must’ve found Pablo escobar’s stash
They’re wild
also saw a cute little familly a while ago that's didn't seem scared at all even with the baby
It brokey 
Sunset in 1h, gonna see if I get some early flying woodcocks
?
I kept hearing shit and grunting behind me while I’m birding
well i've only seen birds this morning
I’ve seen a few Cukoos
went to my favourite island today and chilled a bit, never seen wildlife like today on it even though the neighbor island is a bird colony island with hundreds of nests and birds
now because its spring, there were at least 200 cormorant nests full of half-grown fluffy babies and some other marine birds around too
i didnt want to step onto land on the bird colony island because they have tons of chicks everywhere but it looked pretty cool from the kayak
Never seen a single take of my Merlin this stacked yet
So many of my favorites
Any telephoto shots?
Hello Mrs deer
I JUST HEARD AN OWL
LIKE I DID
deep in the forest though
Oohh
Deer warning calls
Can’t be for me
There’s something in the forest scaring them
sad it's so far away
I now have the option:
wait for woodcocks
Or
Go to the forest and find out what’s scaring the deer
Something’s there rn
Meh
A fucking cat
Strange, I didn’t see a single woodcock so far
Next time I’m close to a heron, imma try getting it with slow shutter
They seem to be easier than seagulls
This was 1/30
Earlier rock asked how I get high quality shots with my camera
And that made me feel poor
Less gooooo
You’re not
Meh it was pretty funny though
You have more money and skill than the person who shall not be named
Can we rescue this?
eh
too much motion blur and too small in the frame
cropping that much will kill the IQ
just me looking around at whats going on like this, nothing that looks good or is presentable in a photography context
took a couple closer up on that intense tree but dont think ill edit anything
had a 100-400 with me because i was there for landscape purposes rather and it wasnt quite enough to get up close
that 200-800 is looking at me with flirty eyes
Still nice
Would you still be kind enough to apply some dxo magic to the three latest shots in here? 🥹 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WtvGGUGQ1cspOvAgiQ88C2k8U_cejJER
thoughts on this? wanted to show off the colors on the kolibris back, took in grand canyon a few years ago, its a different frame from a picture i already uploaded here, trying to do a unique edit
Guys wanna see something crazy
almost
found a lil guy
Waiting with him at the vet now, they'll take him and give him meds etc
"Lil"
Nice
Thank you so much ❤️
Lmao
Hmm
Should I wait for some more woodcocks
Or head home?
Cuz it’s iso 51k time almost
bird is too dark imo
Im trying to show the colors on the birds back. Feeling creative lol
maybe push colours a bit
this seems really hard but itll probably look really good if done well
I think this is better, just on the warm side tbh
That is even darker
You need to be a bit more extreme on the masking
it is a very extreme edit after all
Yeah since it was morning sun! Wish i used higher shutter speed lol
Yeah! I was still new when i went to usa. Like 2021/22. Wish i did 1/4000
thats the lowest I can go to but looking at references it seems that you need that or lower
see some people using 1/10000

Still got a sharp picture. Here is the best frame i got. That a friend edited @naive fiber im just looking at old pictures atm if i forgot something nice lol
The body isnt blurry tho right? I dont mind that the wings are. Shows motion which is cool to me @naive fiber
doesnt seem to be
Already home by the point you sent that lol
How tf y'all find hummingbirds in here
got lucky on my trip lol
anyone know what this is? another picture i missed lol, grand canyon, america
a chipmunk!!!!
i love it
to be fair it’s a big lil guy, looking at its beak it can’t really be an adult
but yeah LMAO
look at him
big boy
y’all are goats
i admire the photos y’all take
Oh cool, thank you
subject selection wont work, imma save the project and try again another day
oooo
Use object and brush over
For a different day
Affinity
Ah
Kinda
Thought you were on lr
Is subject just not recognising it at all
Idk not working today
Funny thing
Sometimes works, sometimes it doesn’t
thoughts? puffin headshot, tried copying the crop from images on google.
I think it needs a little bit more edits
what do u mean? darker background or lighter bird?
To be honest, I feel like it needs edits like for more contrast, the way you wanna do it
I just saw what I think is my first ever sandpiper
With a flashlight
lol
like this?
This is the same image again
what lens is that
Ye
its a 70-200 isnt it
10 months you could work for like 2 dollars an hour and make that
just get a job at some fast food place or construction or whatever low barrier to entry place you can find for minimum wage
He could be below 18 though
you can start at like 14 in the US lol
In Germany for like bringing out newspapers so like really mini jobs you get paid below minimum wage
Was it? I gave it higher contrast lol
I suck xD
What did you do? I want to learn !
You sent the wrong one I’m sure
Let me try something
might be right, here is the other one!
its 3am so xd
Almost 2 for me
I like Aarvs’ version more, but having the puffin darker looks interesting too and the overall shot is still amazing, so idk if you wanna try working on this image until perfection or just call it a day and go to bed and stay with this image.
I wanna work! I wanna learn to be a perfectionist haha. Been sloppy before
I wanna know what he did so i can do the same to the raw file!
How i edited my past images was press auto and try to remove overexposed parts and thats it. Did it quickly af haha @tough hull
i'll have to tell u tomorrow cause my photoshop won't open
i'm also gonna go to sleep
goodnight!
(ping me tomorrow if i forget)
Talk tomorrow!
Gn!
@grizzled nebula it's coming.... the 100-500..........
maybe leave a bit more space above, looks good tho
holy shit thats sweet 😭
Yes
Tits, goldfinches, greenfinches, sardinian warblers etc
did you just put that up and hope that someone comes or do you have something to attract them
i might make a little drinking pool for the swallows and put some sticks on the pool
put some food there that will hopefully attract them
11 more days until camargue
I’m watching kingfishers and there’s Indian peafowl behind me😭
I’m in south Mississippi so ig they’re loose pets💔🥀
how the fuck
prolly banding
nah apparently he was injured and the guy was waiting for someone to come take care of it
Squirrel
lmao just like the crow I rescued yesterday
You saw that?
yh
nice quality
Phone
I got like 400pics of this exact squirrel already
And lightning shit today
*lighting
Through window
I’m taking the back door to not scare it now
I’m going somewhere for some birding now
Welp
Train in background
These bikes are shit
Official hiking path (unmarked for some reason)
dumb question but i have a presentation next week over photography but im sadly not a birder, is someone here willing to help out and provide an image with an in flight frozen movement shot of a bird or eagle with about 1/4000 shutterspeed? credits would go into the presentation ofc 
Got a shot of a black kite at 1/3200th
i take any shot where i can show well the frozen motion 
See if quality is good enough when you just download this
got this too
black kite
should re edit this tbh
np

