Bird Photography

[fast knoll]

if i had to guess youre prob unable to get close enough for decent sharpness

[naive fiber]

One sec

[naive fiber]

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This was my closest

I didn't use dxo on this one because I didn't really need it

Also my trial ran out

[fast knoll]

that one's nice

i bet dxo would make it look better

but totally not necessary

already sharp enough as is

[naive fiber]

I did try photolab but it kinda just did nothing

[fast knoll]

i just dont get how dxo makes ur stuff look worse lol

[naive fiber]

It's only photolab

I think it's an odd configuration issue

[fast knoll]

oh interesting

yea i just use the denoise plugin

then send it back to lightroom

[naive fiber]

Yeah pureraw does make it look better

[naive fiber]

I really enjoyed looking at your photos

[fast knoll]

thank you! that means a lot

that photo you got of the tit is amazing for a 200mm

[naive fiber]

Thanks!

I had a whole setup for it which I can link

[fast knoll]

i bet it mustve taken a lot of patience

i used ot have a 200

i could only get pics of bigger birds lol

[naive fiber]

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I think it starts from here

[fast knoll]

oh wow

does the shutter go off automatically?

[naive fiber]

I have to focus and take the photo

So there are missed shots

[tender galleon]

i was taking photos of a few swans with my 250mm and then some old dude parks his car there ans takes out a freaking 600mm lens 😭

ts unfair 🙏

[fast knoll]

pay to win

[charred holly]

Bring a 400-800 with 2x TC on an APSC

[astral saffron]

Get closer and better angles and it’ll be a better photo

Doesn’t matter if you have a 70-200 or 600, the key is getting close

Every one of my favorite photos I’ve taken have that in common

[tough hull]

It’s not like that

My birding spot is a literal swamp

I need a boat to get closer

But I don’t have one so I need cropping and that’s where dxo is a to better because when you have less resolution you see a big difference between those two

[tough hull]

Photolab is shit

I have it rn

Like test trial but since I saw what pure raw can do, I will use pure RAW together with affinity probably

[tough hull]

Yes

I’m said I didn’t save up for 400-800

Would be much better

Why not just this

1.4x tc and my swamp gear is ready

Lmao

Bruh in Germany it’s fully legal

I have a ton of vids from my uncle where he’s shooting the boar and it’s from the thermal sight mounted to his gun lol

[tender galleon]

i dont want to scare the birbs

[astral saffron]

I'm not saying run at them

Use blinds, wear neutral clothes, be still and quiet for them to come to you

[naive fiber]

It's a game of patience

You will always scare some

You need to simply wait there, and wait for a bird to land

[tough hull]

You mean you don’t want to wait 30min?

[naive fiber]

When I was new I waited like 4h to get 0 good shots

And then some days are like that

Some days you get one in 10 mins

The nature isn't there for you so you must be patient

You learn to scare birds less though

[tender galleon]

they said to get closer, not wait for them 🤔

if i move slowly towards them a car is probably gonna drive over me

[tough hull]

Well if you get closer the birds get scared usually so you have to sit still so they come back when you are close

[naive fiber]

Then you need to find another spot

[naive fiber]

Or just manufacture your own

[fast knoll]

What do ur photos look like? I’m interested

[tough hull]

I can’t show it rn

I’m making bread and my computer is stacking some Astro rn and probably for the next 1-2h

[grizzled nebula]

gorges du vedon tomorrow in good weather!

[hollow crag]

Now this could have two meanings.

[grizzled nebula]

[naive fiber]

Real

Perfect birding weather

[grizzled nebula]

👀

[dreamy tinsel]

damn sharp lence

reading this channel makes me want to take my cam with me tmrw 🔥

[grizzled nebula]

Mine sharper

[dreamy tinsel]

fuckoff mr pay to flex

[grizzled nebula]

That’s the 100-500

[dreamy tinsel]

holy shit weyde apacher linz

[dreamy tinsel]

why are you not using your 600mm

[grizzled nebula]

Cause I didn’t have it when I took that picture

Would’ve been too close for the 600 anyways

[dreamy tinsel]

smh

[grizzled nebula]

I was about 2m away from it maybe less

[naive fiber]

Me want 200-500

[grizzled nebula]

Old

And 100-500 better

[naive fiber]

200-500 f mount is a nice lens

☹️

F5.6

[dreamy tinsel]

gyatt
mine only 6.3

[scarlet tulip]

It does the job

[grizzled nebula]

How much does it cost

[scarlet tulip]

My rule for long lenses is that the bare lens should be at least as fast as the first digit of its focal length

300/2.8, 400/4.5, 500/5.6, 600/6.3

If it’s slower than that it had better provide other advantages

[naive fiber]

1249

Not the worst

[scarlet tulip]

300/4 PF is the easy example of a lens that makes up for its speed

[dreamy tinsel]

400 f6.3 🔥

[grizzled nebula]

That’s way more expensive than I thought

[naive fiber]

New

I can pick one up for what

500?

[grizzled nebula]

Yh just get used

[naive fiber]

Yeah I wouldnt get new

[dreamy tinsel]

how much is a 150-600?

[naive fiber]

Cheaper I believe

[grizzled nebula]

The 180-600 seems very nice but much more expensive obviously

[grizzled nebula]

Nah should be a bit more

Meant to reply to notversly

[naive fiber]

It's 1000 more yeah

[naive fiber]

I think it's a tiny bit worse

[grizzled nebula]

The rf 100-500 is so sharp wide open

What a great lens

[dreamy tinsel]

oh shi nevermind

[grizzled nebula]

Wish it was a bit brighter tho

[naive fiber]

I think it may be part of the whole nikon premium line?

But it's significantly cheaper so idk

My 70-200 is more expensive

[naive fiber]

It's a z mount though

So

[scarlet tulip]

On a D600 the 200-500 is the best inexpensive zoomchoice

[naive fiber]

500mm f5.6 pf would be nice but yknow

[dreamy tinsel]

just get 600 f4 shrimple

[grizzled nebula]

Fr

[dreamy tinsel]

if you want zoom get all the other teleprimes below and just switch lences

[dark ermine]

I'm fence sitting the nikon z 180-600mm to replace my sigma c 150-600 atm

[scarlet tulip]

It’ll be a better experience

But also, 500PF

[gilded yarrow]

It really isnt, if you do it properly theres pretty much no difference

Obviously it wouldnt be great for astro since thats just not what its for

[tough hull]

but the thing is if dxo is just a bit better which it is AND it doesnt mix up the moon etc then it makes it even better

[grizzled nebula]

i get better results with DXO than with lightroom denoise

[naive fiber]

Ok so from what we have understood

[scarlet tulip]

How does Lightroom “mix up the moon?”

[naive fiber]

It depends on usecase

👍

[grizzled nebula]

i think he meant mess up

[scarlet tulip]

But how does it do that?

[naive fiber]

Do you only record

Or do you have another camera for photos

[fast knoll]

i do both

took a few photos before i took that video

it was quite far away tho

so i decided video might look better

[naive fiber]

Oh I see

[magic crown]

I've heard there's a park near my home (5 minutes at walk) with 3 owls ! I'll go to this park when the weather will be good again

[fast knoll]

yea r5 is great for both photo and video

i think it was actually originally advertised as a video camera but im not sure

something about its 8k capacity

ive never used it tho i just shoot 4k

[undone slate]

@fast knoll How are all your bird photos that you've posted taken from so close up?

[fast knoll]

patience

and cropping

my photos have a wide range of pixels

for example this one from today was quite a heavy crop therefore the image quality is not as good. 6mp

this one looks better because it's around 12mp

for every photo i choose to edit tho i toss out like at least 100

[undone slate]

but how do you crop and still have nice quality?

[fast knoll]

1. 45mp
2. sharp lens
3. correct settings in the field to avoid motion blur
4. still being close enough to the subject that a bit of cropping won't destroy image quality

u can only crop so much before ur image looks like shit

i only take photos of stuff that i know will be big enough in the frame to still look good after cropping

[undone slate]

the z6 III has 24mp 😭

[fast knoll]

and it's still a great camera

sure u won't be able to crop as heavily as with a 45mp camera but there are benefits such as better low light performance

24mp is more than enough to get a great quality bird photo

[undone slate]

Is there any visible difference between your camera and the Z6 III?

[fast knoll]

prob not unless u zoom to like 300% lol

or u blow it up onto a big print

don't worry about megapixels

[undone slate]

I have a question: does my Sony HX60 have better image quality than a P1100?

[scarlet tulip]

Are you actually going to buy anything, or is this idle questioning?

[undone slate]

Just a question out of curiosity, because I have a friend who has that camera.

[scarlet tulip]

The R5 will allow for marginally more cropping

[undone slate]

And well, I don't think a camera at its maximum zoom of 3000mm has better quality than my camera at 720mm.

[scarlet tulip]

Both will make perfectly good bird images

[undone slate]

R5?

[fast knoll]

canon r5

it's what i use

[undone slate]

ohh ok

[fast knoll]

bridge cameras r a good budget option

but yea u wont see amazing image quality

[undone slate]

yep, that's why i want to buy the z6 III

[fast knoll]

what lens do u have

u have to consider that too

[undone slate]

180-600mm

for birds

and for milky way i'm not sure

[grizzled nebula]

can't wait to wake up at 7am tomorrow

[undone slate]

wdym

[grizzled nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/olivia-wilde-olivia-wilde-nodding-gif-6216380810249317076

[grizzled nebula]

i'm waking up at 7am to go to the gorges du verdon

for raptors

[undone slate]

ohh right

[undone slate]

raptor?

[fast knoll]

good luck!

[undone slate]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-raptor-scary-reptiles-gif-12677950

[grizzled nebula]

griffon vultures, possibly golden eagles and bearded vultures too

[fast knoll]

do u live near that place with the griffon vultures

ohh yea

isnt that where juletek went

[grizzled nebula]

cinereous vulture was spotted there last month

[grizzled nebula]

nah he went to another place

too far away from where i live

but the gorges du verdon is a huge hotspot

has hundreds

[undone slate]

wow

[grizzled nebula]

baronnies might be a bit better but yh like 3h or so away from where i live

[grizzled nebula]

180mm is not wide enough for the milky way

griffons

[undone slate]

for birds

[steady pasture]

This is Florida, TX or Louisiana…..

If in the US

Bc I hate dealing with nutria😭

[charred holly]

Southern France lol

[gilded yarrow]

Nah the difference is huge

Cropping wise

even going from 24 to 33 its insane

[steady pasture]

Big difference

😭

Nutria are invasive here in Louisiana (USA) and eat every single plant along the creek near me

[charred holly]

I don't see them often here, in fact this is the second time I have seen one in the wild ever

[naive fiber]

Yeah I wouldn't really see a reason for it either

[naive fiber]

I have seen your camera at 3000 and there's no point using it at 3000

There are tons of Eurasian tree sparrows in Thailand

Like it's as common as seeing pigeons in England

[shut hazel]

thats a bird

[undone slate]

No, no, I mean my camera has a maximum zoom of 720mm and the P1100 has 3000mm. My question is whether the P1100 has better quality at that zoom than mine at maximum zoom as well.

[naive fiber]

Neither looks good at max zoom

Mainly because it's impossible to stabilise

And not a lot of light gets let in especially with the small sensor

So it's a useless question really

[tough hull]

Wait lemme show you, it’s biggest a problem if you only have like 300mm

At 600mm I haven’t tried but probably not

[narrow crag]

Isn't the 3000mm digital zoom

[narrow crag]

I don't really agree. I went 45 to 24 and the difference is not as big as you might think

[left brook]

imagine not being able to shoot above 15fps

just get z9ii and etz the 300-600

[grizzled nebula]

Been here 2 mins

[gilded yarrow]

aarvs being lucky?

aint no way

congrats lol, super cool

[grizzled nebula]

Theres loads

Ive seen maybe 20 so far

[magic crown]

[magic crown]

That's pretty normal but good

Now get a shot like this

[left brook]

these are low res right

[naive fiber]

No

It's just stupidly long

And the tiny sensor helps

1/2.3?

[naive fiber]

Why's the top one so geeked

[naive fiber]

Are these yours

[magic crown]

Yeah it's my shots

[naive fiber]

Amazing shots

[magic crown]

Thanks ❤️

[naive fiber]

Odd bug

[naive fiber]

Those were 750mm ffeq?

[magic crown]

900mm ffeq

At maximum

[naive fiber]

Oh I forgot how to do maths for some reason

[magic crown]

I have a 200-600mm with an aps-c so it's actually a 300-900

[naive fiber]

Yeah ik

My brain just idk

Maybe I should test out the 200-500 before buying it

[left brook]

get a 150-600

[grizzled nebula]

Uploaded from phone so probably

[magic crown]

Yeah from phone if raw is not compatible it's a jpeg low res preview

[naive fiber]

200-500 is sharper though 🤔

Difference between 500 and 600 is not all too much

I'll look into it

[left brook]

LieMeter

QC issues

its gamble

150-600 is cheaper and better usually

sigma C specifically

[naive fiber]

I only really see this for the z mount

Do both have issues?

Thanks though

[left brook]

the 200-500 z mount?

what

I mean some copies of the 200-500 are soft

[naive fiber]

Oh wait sorry

[naive fiber]

I see

I'll get the 150-600 then

[grizzled nebula]

Cant wait to get home and edit these pics

[left brook]

niceeeee

where was this

[grizzled nebula]

Gorges du verdon

[left brook]

very pretty

u live close?

[grizzled nebula]

2h away

[left brook]

god damn

[grizzled nebula]

Saw about 50 vultures today

[undone slate]

#💡・open-feedback someone

[undone slate]

WOW

[undone slate]

Was your maximum lens 500mm? I ask this because with my camera, equivalent to 720mm, I'm never able to take a picture from close up to a buzzard or something like that.

[grizzled nebula]

600mm

[undone slate]

600mm, right.

[undone slate]

nice

Could you tell me approximately how far away the bird was? And what's its name? I'm not sure.

[grizzled nebula]

About 5 or 6m away and its a griffon vulture

They were flying so the distance was never the same

[undone slate]

lucky

[grizzled nebula]

finally home

[naive fiber]

I hope your photos were in focus 😭

Oh wait fuck you already sent them

I'm genuinely the smartest guy alive

[grizzled nebula]

they're not edited yet

[naive fiber]

Yeah ik

Sweet photos anyway

[naive fiber]

I like this a lot

[naive fiber]

Really cool shots man

[green canyon]

A6700 in 1.5 weeks

[nimble pagoda]

nice

[naive fiber]

You get a viewfinder now

🙂

[green canyon]

finally

[naive fiber]

How do you frame on the screen lmao

[nimble pagoda]

isnt the zv e10 a reshelled a6400

[naive fiber]

I just can't

[green canyon]

yes

with more plastic

[nimble pagoda]

the rolling shutter mudt be hell

[green canyon]

no

why would it be

[green canyon]

ive adapted

[nimble pagoda]

a6400 rolling shutter bad

[green canyon]

not really

[nimble pagoda]

in my experience yes

[naive fiber]

Imagine your shots with a viewfinder

[green canyon]

tbh i have never had any rolling shutter ever

[magic crown]

The rolling shutter can be seen only on really fast movement and only in 4k capture

[green canyon]

or none that ive noticed

[nimble pagoda]

thats nice

[green canyon]

and proper autofocus

i tried the a6700 yesterday again and its just so good

[naive fiber]

Oh yeah live view(?) has worse af right

Or is that just dlsrs

Dslrs

[green canyon]

dslrs

[nimble pagoda]

just dslrs

[naive fiber]

God I can't type

[naive fiber]

I do want one

[green canyon]

the tracking on it is really good, i tested it on some pigeons

[naive fiber]

Shame Nikon doesn't make much similar that's also good

At least I don't think

[green canyon]

whaaat

z50ii
z6iii

goated cameras

[naive fiber]

Aren't those like way more

[nimble pagoda]

i lovce the nikon lenses

[naive fiber]

I think they are double the price dude 😭

[green canyon]

z50ii is less

z6iii is a bit more

[naive fiber]

One sec

[nimble pagoda]

isnt z6 ff

[naive fiber]

It is

I can't do any research because im abroad

[green canyon]

and the 180-600 exists

[nimble pagoda]

how does the 200-600 look on the zve10

[green canyon]

funny

wait

[scarlet tulip]

Z6iii/500PF

Ultimate $4000 birding setup

[nimble pagoda]

https://klipy.com/gifs/broke-no-2

[green canyon]

mind you the cage makes the zve10 twice as big

[naive fiber]

500pf isn't even too much used actually

F mount

Z mount still hurts

[nimble pagoda]

lol

[magic crown]

Big boi

[naive fiber]

This cannot be comfortable with that tiny body

Actually tripod

[nimble pagoda]

rip neck

[green canyon]

i dont use a tripod

[scarlet tulip]

You just handhold it anyway

Not that heavy

[grizzled nebula]

did u see my vulture pics

[green canyon]

yeah its fine

its what
like 2.5kg

[naive fiber]

2.1

[grizzled nebula]

what is your avis

[naive fiber]

Close enough

[green canyon]

with cam

[naive fiber]

Oh yeah probably that

[magic crown]

Yeah
It's ok in general but you need to learn more about editing i think

[grizzled nebula]

yh i'm ass at editing

[nimble pagoda]

wait

[green canyon]

try @grizzled nebula's lens

[naive fiber]

They would be great with a nice edit

[nimble pagoda]

where toblearn editing

im ass at it

[magic crown]

Can you send me some raw ? I'll trying to show you if you want

[grizzled nebula]

these 2 are pretty good i think

hope i didn't send out of focus ones

[green canyon]

may i take a go at them aswell

[grizzled nebula]

sure

[green canyon]

they look good to me

[green canyon]

clean your lens

[grizzled nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-stare-gif-2748823767353010350

that aint the lens, that's the sensor

[green canyon]

clean your sensor

[grizzled nebula]

[green canyon]

where are they i want to compare

[grizzled nebula]

.

[green canyon]

why does the auto subject mask suck so bad

[naive fiber]

Why can we get deepfakes and not good masking

[fast knoll]

object mask is better

i never use subject mask

[green canyon]

i agree

my masks usually look like this because it never get the subject right

[fast knoll]

yea that's a tough subject too

[grizzled nebula]

You know you can just click again on the object mask and continue it instead of making loads

[green canyon]

wait really
i thought once i created it it was done

[grizzled nebula]

Nope

[green canyon]

@grizzled nebula

[naive fiber]

Yeah it's so you can add multiple objects

Like say the floor and sky or whatever

[gilded yarrow]

insane, my gf took this

veeeery far away sadly

Those are probably super sick tho

[green canyon]

very nice

[grizzled nebula]

That’s pretty nice

[magic crown]

i found a really good owl spot near my home 'ill try next morning and at sunset to get a shot

[naive fiber]

Pretty damn nice yeah

Nice colours and good lighting

[naive fiber]

Back shots aren't very interesting

Also the bird is a tad bit too small

[undone slate]

yes, it is

But for how small it is, I think it looks a good size in the photo.

[hoary sigil]

At a lake near me for a commercial shoot so didn't bring the ling lens

4 crested greebes

Can't make this up

[undone slate]

Does anyone have any advice on attracting birds to a feeder?

@grizzled nebula do you have any bird feeder on your house?

[grizzled nebula]

yes

[undone slate]

can you show me

for what bird?

[green canyon]

wait

just wait

[undone slate]

um

[undone slate]

ok

[green canyon]

continously provide food

[undone slate]

yes

[green canyon]

make sure it doesnt rot

[undone slate]

I put up a sparrow feeder yesterday; I can show you some pictures if you'd like.

[green canyon]

sure

[green canyon]

seems fine

[undone slate]

yep

[green canyon]

some birds enjoy hanging feeders more

[undone slate]

So far, no sparrows have come to me, even though I have sparrows nearby.

[green canyon]

and make sure that they're close to some kind of cover for the birds like bushes or trees

[undone slate]

Well, I have trees around so I guess that counts.

And I'm going to put some thistles I found for goldfinches on my ivy and maybe they'll come.

[green canyon]

they will have to

1. see it
2. realize its food
3. make sure its safe
4. test it
   if its good they'll come back

[green canyon]

they dont usually like feeders in open areas

for obvious reasons

[undone slate]

I think my feeder is considered to be in an open area, but what do you mean by open area? I have a house in front of me and some trees.

@green canyon but do you have any bird feeder?

[green canyon]

i have a couple

[undone slate]

show me pls

if you can

[green canyon]

Could you show me a wider area of your feeder?

[green canyon]

I will when i get home

[undone slate]

nice

[undone slate]

sure

one minute

[green canyon]

🙂

[grizzled nebula]

It's been 6 minutes

[undone slate]

I mean... the area isn't very pretty, but I have to tidy it up a bit more, but that's the area.

@green canyon

[tough hull]

Nah

[tough hull]

I can’t wait to go there

[tough hull]

No

[grizzled nebula]

@magic crown incase u didn't see

[magic crown]

i seen them i just didn't have time last night x)

[grizzled nebula]

oh lol dw

imma try going back there

i think you need a guided tour 🤮 to visit all of it but i'll need to see

[magic crown]

i saw your shots on my pc and you really need to be careful with higlight

@grizzled nebula i can only edit this one the 2nd one is too overexposed to get something good

[undone slate]

@fast knoll do u have any bird feeder at your house?

[fast knoll]

yea but i don't take photos there the background is too ugly

it's just for fun

[undone slate]

But do you get a lot of birds?

I say this because I just put out one for sparrows and goldfinches with some thistles, but I put out the one for sparrows today and none of them came...

[dusty fog]

you kinda have to leave it out so they learn it's there

cant just put it out for one day

[fast knoll]

yea u have to wait

maybe sprinkle a little food on the ground near it too

[undone slate]

But I remove the feeder at night because it tends to spray and the food would spoil; I put it out every morning.

[undone slate]

Did you see the photos I sent earlier of my feeder?

I say this because maybe I can put some food along the path next to my house, and maybe they'll see it and end up coming.

[dusty fog]

maybe that could work as long as it's there in the morning ealry every day

[undone slate]

you mean the feeder?

[dusty fog]

yes

[magic crown]

pijon

[undone slate]

How far away were you?

[naive fiber]

I found chatgpt to be helpful for mine

[naive fiber]

Damn good sharpness

[grizzled nebula]

yh i kinda fucked up in a lot of them cause they kept flying literally right in front of the sun -_-

but that's for the edit

[magic crown]

2m away

i even needed to get a step back bc i was too close lmao

[undone slate]

Were you in the forest?

[naive fiber]

Yeah pigeons are fearless like that

Same with sparrows

[undone slate]

and with robins

[naive fiber]

Robins are most definitely not fearless

[magic crown]

that's why it's better to get subject in horizontal and not very high

[magic crown]

it's in a city park with a little forest

[undone slate]

Ah, I thought you were saying they weren't fearless.

[magic crown]

pigeon are really used to humans

[naive fiber]

Yeah definitely

[undone slate]

not bad

[naive fiber]

It's a shame they are so common that they just become a lame subject unless it's a great photo

[undone slate]

do you have bird feeders at your house?

[naive fiber]

They have really nice colours

[magic crown]

yeah but ppl hates them

[undone slate]

so true

[magic crown]

they are a little bit too used tbh

[undone slate]

how

[grizzled nebula]

i think i should've gone to one of the lower belvederes

[naive fiber]

I remember someone with bluetits on their hands

[grizzled nebula]

the one i was at had the most activity but they also flew higher

[naive fiber]

Seed really helps

[magic crown]

even some of them didn't wanted there's only 2 who actually did it

[naive fiber]

I see

[undone slate]

I don't know how, I've never touched a bird except for a macaw and a chicken.

[magic crown]

i touched eagles and owls

[undone slate]

wild?

[magic crown]

falconry species i work with a falconry
but they have a really good life

[undone slate]

@green canyon

[undone slate]

yep

Does anyone here have a bird feeder that works well?

[magic crown]

mine
every morning they destroy it and even fight for it

[undone slate]

do you have some photos???

[magic crown]

of the birds or of the feeders ?

[undone slate]

both

the bird in the feeder

[magic crown]

not of birds bc the background is not that good

[undone slate]

doesn't matters

Don't you have any photos? Even bad ones?

[magic crown]

just finished this edit btw

[magic crown]

no not really but i can show you the setup

[undone slate]

How did you take that picture? Was it a lake, a river, or the sea?

[magic crown]

and a video that my hunting cam got

[undone slate]

sure!

[undone slate]

yep

[magic crown]

on one of the biggest pond of France

[undone slate]

And how do you get the birds to come to your feeder?

[magic crown]

the Berre's Pond

[magic crown]

i just put it and wait few days and they come

[undone slate]

Were you in a boat?

[magic crown]

• i made a little pond for them to take a bath

[magic crown]

nope

i was on land

[undone slate]

Since I'm completely new to bird feeders, how often do you have to wash it?

[undone slate]

oh ok

[undone slate]

Turkish doves?

[magic crown]

Yeah you need to clean them 1/2week

[magic crown]

Yeah

[naive fiber]

I had an owl bite me once

Pretty useless info but whatever

[undone slate]

I have sparrows that have a nest on the roof tiles above my house, and so far they haven't come...

[magic crown]

i also put a nest and they have visitors

They really love this lottle pond

[undone slate]

And how do you clean the small pond?

[grizzled nebula]

CHROMATIC ABERATIONS!!!

[undone slate]

it's good

[grizzled nebula]

bruh ur pigeons have a jacuzzi lmao

well all ur birds

peak bird life

[magic crown]

i don't really clean it bc there's a copper disk and a fountain so the water stay pretty clean but i still change the water every week

i've got a lot of species coming to tke a bath that's good and the bath is the only thing will stay during summer

bc here the heat can reach 45°C and the birds is suffering a lot

[undone slate]

I'll probably put a pot of water in it this summer, but I don't know how I'll remove the water if the pot is fixed in place.

@magic crown

[wide flint]

Just drink it out with a straw

[undone slate]

☠️

whaaat 🤣

[magic crown]

you need to put it in a place then you can clean it easily

[undone slate]

I know, but if it's a pot stuck in the wood... how do I wash it?

[green canyon]

i have one of these
what did you put inside?

and how did you connect it

[magic crown]

solar panel

[magic crown]

some rocks and gravels

[undone slate]

have you seen the images i send before?

[undone slate]

[green canyon]

yes

its not impossible for birds to go there, you have to wait and see, but i would put a feeder closer to some trees aswell

[undone slate]

I thought about throwing some sparrow feed in the square so they can find the feeder on their way to my house.

[undone slate]

I'm going to put some thistles I found out for the goldfinches.

[magic crown]

huge crop but still good tbh

[undone slate]

what program to edit do u use?

[magic crown]

Lightroom

[tough hull]

I saw an eagle

In my hometown

I still can’t believe it

[green canyon]

epic

@undone slate these are my main feeders

i have a couple fat balls hung around the garden

[charred holly]

Rarest wild bird I have ever seen in my home town was a peacock, just chilling on the road

No idea how it got there

[green canyon]

one of my neighbours has a bunch

or had idk
i havent heard them in a while, usually they scream in the morning

[tough hull]

There are 14 gadwall rn where I am

lol

[naive fiber]

I really should set up a pond

Right an eagle almost shit on me today

[tough hull]

This a black kite or some kind of harrier?

[naive fiber]

Looks like a kite to me

[tough hull]

That thing was giant lol

I first thought it was an eagle

[naive fiber]

Kites are fucking beasts though

[undone slate]

pretty nice!!!

[undone slate]

I think it's a black kite; I have many in my area and I see them almost daily.

I'm giving feedback here because it would be more complicated to talk on the other channel.

@glossy sage Is that your feeder?

[glossy sage]

Ya

Gonna start mixing seeds in a metal bin though once this black oil sunflower runs out of the feeder because these grackles are way too crazy of bullies

Thinking of a safflower, shelled peanut, millet mix

They even kicked the blue jays away, which is surprising to me

[naive fiber]

I find walnuts to only attract tits

It's quite funny

[undone slate]

And how often do you wash the feeder and how?

New feeder for goldfinches and other birds. If anyone has a goldfinch feeder, please let me know. I'd like to learn more about it.

I pin thistles to my ivy to attract them

[glossy sage]

Dunno its pretty new got it as a gift since I like birbs

[undone slate]

Nice

I put out a feeder for sparrows and goldfinches, but so far none have come.

[glossy sage]

Ive had blue jays, cardinals, mourning doves, a singular robin lol, painted buntings, and a singular tufted titmouse so far. And last few days a crap ton of grackles

[undone slate]

And did all those birds come with the same feed or seeds?

[glossy sage]

Yep black oil sunflower seeds. I don't think the buntings liked it very much though they're around but avoid the feeder after they've sampled it

Eventually I wanna landscape my backyard and get trees and stuff put in and several types of feeders but am broke right now

[undone slate]

And how long did it take for them to start coming?

[glossy sage]

This time of year in Florida not long at all

I threw seeds all over my yard so they'd stop by and check it out. My neighbor has some massive magnolia trees several birds live in so they hit my feeder like a drive through

They are all lined up right now but i think im spookin em

[undone slate]

What kind of birds are those?

[glossy sage]

Not sure. This tree drops pepper berries on the ground around my feeder that these eat. Warblers maybe?

Ah Merlin says its a Waxwing

[undone slate]

I've never seen them, probably because I'm from Europe and they're not there.

[glossy sage]

We have a ton of birds in FL

I'm bad at photographing them though

[green canyon]

crows here really like them

tits love peanuts

[undone slate]

ping me when you can show me the feeder

[grizzled nebula]

😏

[green canyon]

i did

[green canyon]

bro 😭

[undone slate]

aahh right

[undone slate]

i don't understand

[undone slate]

maybe you can get a good photo with that

[green canyon]

i will once the leaves are back

[sick wave]

Sad that it was a cloudy day when I got this picture but still holy moly being able to capture so much detail is amazing

Definitely don’t regret getting my hands on the D810/Sigma 150-600mm combo, and will for sure try again when infamously cloudy Vancouver weather decides to clear up
(Also yes it’s a little crispy but I was excited about how much detail I was able to capture despite that)

[fast knoll]

nice!

u can also try masking background and dropping tint/exposure

this photo had an all white background before

[sick wave]

True

But also it might just be me, but it also starts looking a little too unnatural considering how much fancier Anne’s hummingbirds males look in sunlight 🤔

So other birds yes, hummingbirds maybe not

Case in point: I’ve done it for other birb photos, just those that don’t have entire heads of iridescent feathers that flash magenta in sunlight haha

[fast knoll]

even in sunlight they can be all black tho if the angle is right

[grizzled nebula]

Pewegwine fawcon

[undone slate]

nice

[sick wave]

Also true 👍
Like I said it may just be me overthinking things

That’s a really great photo btw, I love it

Also also I raise you: they’re at a perfect angle to show the red flash of color….but your camera is not focused on them whatsoever 🥲

[fast knoll]

oh yea recovering focus on the subjcet when it's focused on the background is really hard for the AF

i have to switch to spot AF to fix it

[sick wave]

Yeah, it’s better if you have time to sit and wait for them to come back instead of having to fight daylight

This young male stayed on the exact same branch for a couple minutes at a time guarding a feeder so I got so many pictures of him

[fast knoll]

this is prob my coolest gorget photo

[grizzled nebula]

also by any chance could u send it as a DNG pls so i can download it without losing any quality

[glossy sage]

This is ur RF 100-500?

[fast knoll]

Yes

[glossy sage]

I'm really struggling to get bird sitting -> in flight captured. I get 1 frame in focus which is where they look like a torpedo when they jump and fold everything back I'm really thinking about moving to that lens

But it apparently sells out like the instant it hits MPB / Keh and I'm not sure I wanna spend $3k on a lens at the moment. MPB will take my current one for $880 though

[fast knoll]

Check Facebook marketplace too

It sells for 2k sometimes

[grizzled nebula]

i got my 100-500 for 2K euros

[glossy sage]

I got my Tamron SP G2 150-600 for $450

Facebook marketplace W

There is one selling near me for $1600 but it looks in rough condition

I guess the actual glass looks fine just paint chipping

[grizzled nebula]

Weather sealing looks compromised

guy has not been taking good care of it

[glossy sage]

Looks dropped

[grizzled nebula]

even little dents in the mount (even tho it won't affect the lens)

[glossy sage]

long drive though, with current gas prices it'd push it near $2k anyways

[grizzled nebula]

looks like he slapped the lens in

[grizzled nebula]

american complaining about gas prices

[glossy sage]

We drive a lot more!

[grizzled nebula]

not really

[glossy sage]

I was paying $2.3 earlier this year per gallon, its $5.20 right now you'd complain if yours over doubled too

[grizzled nebula]

2€50 /L of diesel here in the south of france

1 gallon is 3.8 L

[finite flower]

nice shot

[glossy sage]

https://frontiergroup.org/resources/fact-file-americans-drive-most/

[grizzled nebula]

i mean the US has almost 270M more people than most other countries

we pay $9.46 a "gallon" in france

[glossy sage]

I mean I wasn't really complaining about gas. I said it'd push it towards a price I'd just get a nicer one shipped anyways. BUT if I did want to complain about gas prices, valid. You'd complain if yours became 5euro/L

[finite flower]

#🦀・creatures message

🤨

[glossy sage]

You know, I kinda like it in a weird way. Rock should play it off as intentional

Its chaotic

[grizzled nebula]

if it was 5€ a L i think the country would be on fire rn

that would apparently be 21.84$ per gallon

https://tenor.com/view/france-french-waterloo-napoleonic-gif-25479984

[grizzled nebula]

LOOKS great!

[green canyon]

we can only change prices once a day at 12am here in germany now
guess what, the standard price simply increased

[fast knoll]

Peregrine vs Osprey

We’ll see if I can save this photo

[fast knoll]

rip it looks like shit

[naive fiber]

Maybe it's regional things, or my feeder makes it impossible for crows to lamd

[undone slate]

?

[undone slate]

what's wrong with that photo 😭

[finite flower]

im more surprised that you cant tell

[undone slate]

?

The photo is blurry...

I also don't know how to make it have a low ISO and always a fast shutter speed.

can someone vote this

[tender galleon]

aperture

[finite flower]

you choose what you want, and in general that photo is not that great

background is p messy, couldve cropped abit better

[finite flower]

idk about the conditions you were shooting at, but if you could move arnd you can position the bird on the deep green background instead of all the branches

thats very distracting

[green canyon]

Also get on eye level if possible

[undone slate]

i use S MODE for birds

[undone slate]

that's pretty difficult

[undone slate]

But the background isn't ugly.

[undone slate]

and this one?

My photos probably aren't as good as everyone else's because of the camera quality and how it reacts in some scenarios.

[green canyon]

its very messy

[green canyon]

no thats not the whole story

[undone slate]

I know, but the bird looks fine.

[undone slate]

i know

But sometimes it's impossible to change sides or do something else because I'm afraid to move and miss the moment.

[green canyon]

you need a different scenery in general
something more nature like

go to a forest or something

[undone slate]

this one??

[undone slate]

The downside of the forest is that it's more difficult to take pictures of them; they hide more and are usually in tall trees.

[green canyon]

go to a park or nature reserve

[undone slate]

But what if I can't go and I can only photograph birds from my house in the garden?

[green canyon]

you can do that but youll be very limited with things like the background

[undone slate]

yes

Does this have a good background?

[grizzled nebula]

I'm done editing these 2 now, thoughts?

i've done about 10 different edits 😭

[undone slate]

I think they're good

[finite flower]

the background is js kinda ugly in general

the tiled roofs just dont make a nice background

its very unnatural

[undone slate]

idk

[finite flower]

you have to be more critical about your images

like why do you include that bit of sky in the image

it just distracting

[undone slate]

Because if I changed my position I could miss the moment and never have taken that photo.

But I see photos of birds and animals that have a beautiful or distracting landscape in the background, but the photo is still good.

[finite flower]

you know you can like... crop it away right

[finite flower]

i think thats where the problem lies

not every photo of a bird or animal is good

if the background is distracting, its not a good image

no matter how rare the bird or animal

are you a photographer first or spotter first

[tender galleon]

i prefer the one where it chooses the shutter speed or manual

do yall think these have potential in a contest?

[undone slate]

yes

maybe

[undone slate]

spotter first

[tender galleon]

i named the first one "golden beak"

[undone slate]

what lens and camera do u use?

[finite flower]

thats the main reason why your photos arent that well accepted

[tender galleon]

canon eos 80d and 55-250mm kit lens

[undone slate]

so, what could i do for improve?

[finite flower]

just think about your photos more critically

[undone slate]

Wow, you must have been really close to the bird with that look.

[finite flower]

and not everything is meant to be posted

[undone slate]

do you think I have any good photo?

[undone slate]

But there are photos that I like and that I don't think are so bad; they could be better but they're not bad.

[tender galleon]

yeah i was sitting really close to the feeder, like 2 meters

[undone slate]

For example, I don't know if you saw the photo of the magpies I posted.

[undone slate]

Did you follow the bird or did it just happen to pass by you?

[undone slate]

it was a feeder?

[tender galleon]

imo its good if you think its good, others opinions dont really matter if you photograph just for fun

[undone slate]

You can see the reflection of the eye and everything

[tender galleon]

i was waiting for birds to come to the feeder

[undone slate]

can you show me the feeder??'

if you can

[tender galleon]

yeah, those ones were on the ground but theres a feeder next to them

[undone slate]

I put out a new feeder for sparrows and another for birds in general, and I planted some thistles on my ivy for the goldfinches, but still nothing has come 😭

[tender galleon]

heres a woodpecker eating from it

[tender galleon]

yeah it was a good light and i got lucky with them coming so close

[undone slate]

Do you wash the feeder? How do you wash it if it's made of wood? And do you use the same food for all those birds, and how often do you change the food?

I'm asking this because I'm new to bird feeders.

Sparrow feeders

[tender galleon]

i havent washed that one yet, its a new one

[undone slate]

goldfinches feeder

[undone slate]

How long did it take for the bird to come?

[tender galleon]

i put oat, nuts and sunflower seeds

[tender galleon]

there were like always birds cause it was winter and they couldnt find food anywhere else

[undone slate]

I'm trying to put chicken feed in for sparrows (believe me, it works great for them) and for goldfinches, niger seed and sunflower seeds.

I don't know when the birds will come, even though I have a sparrow above my house, but it doesn't come!

😭

[tender galleon]

those ones i used were just for basic backyard birds (blue tits, willow tits, great tits, woodpeckers and others)

[undone slate]

where are you from?

[tender galleon]

finland

[undone slate]

wow

i'm from spain

Do you have any recommendations for attracting birds, or should I just wait?

[tender galleon]

it might find food from somewhere else, so it doesnt risk coming close to a house

[tender galleon]

be patient

[undone slate]

how long will it take

[tender galleon]

in the winter i sat next to the feeder like 3 hours everyday

[undone slate]

But didn't you get them the first few days?

I don't know if my feeder is a nice area to take pictures of, but oh well, I'll try when they come.

[tender galleon]

yes because they couldnt find food for anywhere else

[tender galleon]

snow covered the ground

[undone slate]

But now in spring I don't know if they'll come

[undone slate]

nice

[tender galleon]

i dont feed them in other seasons than winter so idrk

[undone slate]

so you don't feed them now?

[tender galleon]

yeah, but theres still some food in the feeder so ive seen some blue tits there

[undone slate]

oh ok

[tender galleon]

now that its spring i mainly photograph swans and gooses while they are here

from last fall

i could try to re-edit that because i didnt have lightroom

[undone slate]

same

in what season are you now?

[tender galleon]

could try to delete those other swans because they are a bit distracting

[undone slate]

I am in spring

[tender galleon]

spring

[grizzled nebula]

1st one idk, 2nd one 100%

[tender galleon]

snow has just melted and the swans are flying by

[undone slate]

are they a screenshot?

[naive fiber]

Wait do you have the raws

[tender galleon]

i submitted 1st one too because the beak looked funny with the sun reflecting

[undone slate]

i say it because it seems like they have low quality idk

[naive fiber]

I would like to try these when I get back

[grizzled nebula]

that 2nd one is really nice

[tender galleon]

nope

[grizzled nebula]

i don't normally like giving raws

[undone slate]

Can i improve this?

[grizzled nebula]

these were very difficult to edit too cause of the overexposed sky

[undone slate]

i don't know how to edit

[grizzled nebula]

R6II's insane DR helped me but still

[tender galleon]

try putting the focus on the bird that jumped because it looks funny

[tender galleon]

try deleting those others

[undone slate]

Perhaps Discord lowers the quality

[grizzled nebula]

i did a panorama to make it a bit bigger but i'd rather not give it away

[tender galleon]

maybe or i imported it wrongly

[grizzled nebula]

lemme find an in focus image lol

[undone slate]

maybe

[undone slate]

I don't know which editing program to use yet, I haven't decided.

free-program

[tender galleon]

darktable if on pc

[naive fiber]

Wait Ill try in a couple days

I don't have lightroom on my phone here so

[undone slate]

I get a strange message when I click download.

[tender galleon]

oh

[grizzled nebula]

false negative

[undone slate]

so i download it?

And why does that appear?

[naive fiber]

We don't know

Darktable says that this happens as well

[undone slate]

ok, so i'll download it

[tender galleon]

man its taking so long to get access to the galleries

[undone slate]

?

[naive fiber]

Yeah if you don't think about it you will get it faster

[undone slate]

Can I edit JPEGs in Darktable?

[naive fiber]

Yes

[undone slate]

I just logged into darktable and it's a bit confusing.

[naive fiber]

I had to take my feeder down temporarily

Pretty damn annoying

[undone slate]

why?

@grizzled nebulaWhy don't your photos have CA?

[naive fiber]

Nice lens

[naive fiber]

I was going away

[undone slate]

yes

[undone slate]

bird feeder?

[naive fiber]

I made it out of balsa so I can't risk it raining and warping

[naive fiber]

Yes

[undone slate]

but why do you had to take the feeder?

[naive fiber]

∆

[naive fiber]

Photos usually have CA for a couple of reasons
Bad lens
Bright against dark
And a couple of others

[undone slate]

yep

[undone slate]

what is balsa?

[naive fiber]

Balsa wood

I can link everything

[undone slate]

oh ok

You could varnish that wood.

[naive fiber]

#1041487027255914566 message

[naive fiber]

Not a good idea really

[undone slate]

why

[naive fiber]

It'll increase the amount of slip that the wood has discouraging birds

[undone slate]

I have a question, how long did it take for birds to come to the feeder?

[naive fiber]

If the feeder is hard to access they don't want to come

[naive fiber]

1 day

Give or take a couple of hours

[undone slate]

wow

[naive fiber]

I live right next to a nest of bluetits so it was bound to happen quickly

[undone slate]

I put out a sparrow feeder, I don't know if you saw it in the chat above, but it's been there for about two days now and nothing has come.

[naive fiber]

My feeder is also in a very good spot safety wise

[undone slate]

i live right next to a nest of sparrows

[naive fiber]

It'll take a while

Sometimes they don't see it

Just leave it for a week or two

I got very lucky with mine

[undone slate]

I have the goldfinch feeder in an area where I have a dog, but I don't think anything will happen.

it's a good dog

[undone slate]

very lucky

[naive fiber]

They will be discouraged if the dog is near

[undone slate]

I don't think so, because it's high

I also planted some thistles there that are tall, so I hope they come; in fact, "goldfinch" means "thistle eater."

[naive fiber]

They will most likely

It's a danger

Dangers discourage until dangers leave

[undone slate]

😭

[naive fiber]

How do you know none came?

[undone slate]

I had nowhere else to put it

But hopefully they'll get used to it.

[undone slate]

idk

I suppose so, because the feeder looks the same to me.

I don't know, but I think I could scatter chicken feed in the area where it's usually most abundant, and then follow a path until I reach my house, maybe?

what do you think

@naive fiber

[grizzled nebula]

High quality lens and some of them do actually have CA

you can see it there

[undone slate]

can i remove the CA with darktable?

[undone slate]

I did notice it, but it's not much.

[grizzled nebula]

idk, never used dark table

[undone slate]

What I don't understand is how contest photos are usually perfect in quality

[grizzled nebula]

the CA is mostly caused by me accidentally overexposing the sky

[undone slate]

How many photos do you take per second?

[grizzled nebula]

high quality equipment, good editing, good settings etc

[undone slate]

yep

[grizzled nebula]

idk depends

[undone slate]

idk if i can do good editing with darktable:(

[grizzled nebula]

this is an image i use in contests

[undone slate]

the main problem here it's the CA?

[grizzled nebula]

perfect iq

[undone slate]

pretty nice!

[undone slate]

what is IQ?

[grizzled nebula]

CA + IQ + Sky + highlights too bright

[grizzled nebula]

image quality

[undone slate]

Your photo or mine?

[grizzled nebula]

this is uncropped

[grizzled nebula]

mine

[undone slate]

yes

[grizzled nebula]

but this is using very expensive gear

[undone slate]

can i solve that?

[left brook]

you can