Bird Photography

[left brook]

what was the setup for this if any

[fast knoll]

no setup this is just a local park

this guy was super chill

i observed him going back to the same spot a few times

so i just stood around

[shut hazel]

thanks to @gilded yarrow for editing this for me

this is def going up on my wall i like this one a lot

[fast knoll]

Very clean

[shut hazel]

where do i even find these things

i need to get a photo of them

[light valley]

rolling green hills in Sonoma County, California, near the Napa-Sonoma county line

[shut hazel]

oh thats where the background is from

nice

[dark minnow]

Today might have been my luckiest day of 2026 so far, 3 new lifers

Barred, Great Grey and Boreal owls

[fast knoll]

holy shit

i love great gray owls

too bad we dont have them here

they look so cool

[gilded yarrow]

damn

I havent even found one wild owl

[terse dust]

I seen one fly by me while I was driving in the canyons not too long ago and another in my backyard but that's about all of them I've ever seen

[dark minnow]

Im at 4 (with photos) and 5 total

[fast knoll]

can't wait to see the edit

[dark minnow]

ima keep them simple tho

[fast knoll]

yea i just want to see the actual photo

not on the camera

[dark minnow]

stunning

[scarlet tulip]

what a shot

[dark minnow]

thank you

it was so close

[dusty fog]

beautiful, i just think that big stump at the bottom is a bit distracting

[dark minnow]

i also wish the perch was better but its hard when its sleeping there

[magic crown]

tomorrow I'm going to see the only wild Lesser Flamingo in France !

we can say it's the rarest bird in France (with the belted kingfisher in north France)

[gilded yarrow]

Theres a belted kingfisher in france???

[magic crown]

Yeah just one

Belted Kingfisher in Brittany thrills French birders - BirdGuides https://share.google/CmEU3pPcN4al9sUX7

[fast knoll]

that's cool

[gilded yarrow]

Damn insane

Would love to go see that

[magic crown]

Yeah same but idk if he still stay here in summer

[fast knoll]

belteds are pretty skittish from my experience

u could prob camp out for it tho

or get an in flight shot

[magic crown]

Yeah i'll try it this summer if he stays here

But for now i'll try to see the Lesser Flamingo

[sharp ether]

I want to see the Lesser Flamingo

[dark minnow]

Some other images of the Boreal Owl

[scarlet tulip]

A proper yawn

[fast knoll]

Insanely fat and cute

[deep vigil]

I'm with it

[dark minnow]

Yup she seemed so tired

[terse dust]

I like night herons but have like no photos of them

[fast knoll]

For the printer users is anyone familiar with this?

nvm the ink refill costs so much

[light valley]

It takes 11 print cartridges. They may last quite a number of prints. Don’t know.

[fast knoll]

apparently i need to print like once a week to maintain it

[gilded yarrow]

Its kinda crazy that just one of those is 70€ tho

I'd say that doesnt make sense unless you sell tons of prints

[fast knoll]

yea i dont need a printer

no one wants bird photos anyway

[light valley]

I didnt look up the price wow.

I use one of the refillable epson printers. Probably not good enough to sell but they look fine on my wall 🤷‍♂️

[charred holly]

I couldn't be more pink even if I tried

[shut hazel]

woa

sometime this week im probably gonna go somewhere for some photos

but idk where

bird photos at some random park?

plane photos at night in the fog?

[left brook]

awooga

[left brook]

whats the raw

[daring imp]

I hope this is sharp. Their orange wings are so cool always wanted a good bif of them. But its soo hard lol. And the color pops so much in winter

How do u guys practice birds in flight? Still struggling with it

[charred holly]

Pigeons are pretty cool to train on. They are fairly big, predictable, common and aren't scared easily.

[daring imp]

Ait tyy!!

[grizzled nebula]

@magic crown tu peut me rappeler la meilleur periode pour aller au zoo de la barben stp

avec les evennement d'oiseaux

[magic crown]

En avril

[grizzled nebula]

Merci 😉

[daring imp]

I just have a hard time following the bird cause my lens is so big and long zoom. 5.3kg and 960mm w crop sensor. I keep handhelding it which is prob the reason haha

[charred holly]

My setup is barely more than 1kg, I have no experience handling something 5 times heavier but I must imagine handholding it would be very hard indeed

[scarlet tulip]

Usually the exotic primes are paired with tripods, yeah

[charred holly]

I was eyeing the sigma 500 5.6 for that reason

500mm for only 1370g sounds like a dream

But 3000$, ouch...

[scarlet tulip]

It’s worth the price

Lightweight 500s are super cool

[deep vigil]

did i get low enough

[wide flint]

Nah, definetly need to get lower next time

https://klipy.com/gifs/dance-dance-moves-32

[magic crown]

@grizzled nebula tu veux un serv français de photo ?

[grizzled nebula]

pourquoi pas

[magic crown]

j'tenvoie ça en MP

[wide flint]

Some more 70mm birds

[magic crown]

tomorrow it's little owl time !

[sharp ether]

My technique is spray and pray

As a result, I got very few good bif shots

I need to get better at it

[fast knoll]

it basically is spray and pray

but u also need decent tracking

jan wegener says to practice bringing the camera to your eye quickly and having the bird in frame already

so hand eye coordination

[sharp ether]

yeah, keeping the bird in frame is the most important thing

Also having the right settings

I have a dedicated button for bif

but I sometimes forget to press it lol

[grizzled nebula]

ROBINNN

[shut hazel]

hummingbird photo printed

it was 5 cad

just need to get a frame now

I got it peinred in 8x12

probably shouldve went bigger

[daring imp]

These are my 2 best once

[fast knoll]

eagle one is sick

u can even see the band numbers

i have a decent amount of nice BIF but theyre all larger birdrs

i suck at tracking the small ones

[terse dust]

Getting a good composition with a BIF is the hardest part

[shut hazel]

what is bif?

Now all i need is an 8x12 frame

when my mom saw the print she got annoyed the bird isnt centered

but its very nice i will find a good wall for it

[scarlet tulip]

"bird in flight"

nice light on that hummer

[shut hazel]

ah

i dont have many of those tbhs

[shut hazel]

thankmks

amazon has these 8x12 mcs frames with really thin borders

but only in 6 or 12 pack aailable

6 pack for 30 cad

i might aswel jus get that and print a few more 8x12s out

[dark minnow]

one thing i have a chronic problem about 😭

also heres a Great Grey blinkung

[fast knoll]

amazing

[fast knoll]

also blackout free viewfinder rlly helps with in flight tracking

r5 doesnt have that

but r5ii does

im like tempted to upgrade lol

[dark minnow]

Yeah r7 doesnt have it either lol

[fast knoll]

better AF, less rolling shutter, precapture, blackout free shooting

but realistically i dont need it

im not making money from bird photography so i should stop dropping money on it lmao

r5 is already great

i need to remind myself

[dark minnow]

yeah im waiting for the r7ii and then i'll compare stuff

but first is a new transmission

And heres the Barred Owl at sunrise

[terse dust]

Needs a stacked sensor I believe

[left brook]

was it sharp?

[half yacht]

Im getting anew lens at some point and am debating whether to get one for sheaper which only goes to 500mm or one for a bit more expensive that goes to 600mm

is the difference between 500 and 600mm really that big? and is it worht it to go get the one with 600mm focal length

the lens is for birdong and this chat is less tosic that the gear channels so I asked here

ill also ask in a gear channel though

[astral saffron]

What focal length do you use the most right now? Do you crop a lot?

[half yacht]

200mm

I dont crop all that much

well I cropped a lot on one photo but still

It wasn't great :/

[wide flint]

You're on Nikon right? I wouldn't let your choice be dictated by just the focal length difference, but rather the sharpness, focussing speed and such. Those are more important than the 100mm difference

[half yacht]

alright

[gilded yarrow]

FF or apsc?

[scarlet tulip]

It is a difference you will notice, but it’s not huge

[half yacht]

Apsc

[gilded yarrow]

then 400 or 500 is enough

600 ffeq is perfect imo

everything above and heat haze becomes too much of a problem

frame filling shot at 600 is fine unless its 30c

frame filling at 800 might already suck

[daring imp]

No 🙁 blutty af

[half yacht]

We get heat haze maybe 3 times a year in my area

But good to know

[gilded yarrow]

Trust its worse with a big tele

its visible long before its visible by eye

you even get heat haze when its very cold and the sun starts shining

I'd say heat haze can become noticeable at every temperature just depending on how constant the temp is and how sunny it is

[shut hazel]

yay

my 8x12 frames are here

single frame was12

and 6 were 30

so of course i went for the 6 pack lmao

[hoary sigil]

Are there any particular businesses you guys use for printing and framing

In the UK preferably

[shut hazel]

i just went to walmart and got the photo printed

then i bought a frame online

[hoary sigil]

Ah ok cool

[shut hazel]

theres probably stores that can print photos out for you though

[hoary sigil]

Yeah we have Boots and I think my local Walmart equivalent has a printing place

I just wondered if there was like a special way of doing it

[shut hazel]

i think there are specialized stores that do it much more professionally and give more options

but if you wanna do it cheaply then you can do this too

[light valley]

Are you showing that bird a picture of himself on your phone?

[terse dust]

What?

[shut hazel]

real

its very reflective

i think i printed glossy

do yall print glossy or satin

[left brook]

whatever isnt reflective is prolly preferred

i would guess

[light valley]

Just joking. It looks great. I print both. I would probably print that glossy.

[terse dust]

Oh I see it now lol

[fast knoll]

i dont pritn full glossy

i printed one like half matte or something

[shut hazel]

satin?

[shut hazel]

yeah this ones gloss although i think for other photos i should go satin

[fast knoll]

i forget lol

it was some interesting paper from a local shop

[shut hazel]

ah

[fast knoll]

lemme look actually

oh it just says "luster finish"

think it was just matte

i used to like glossy but i think i prefer matte

less glare when u hang it up

[light valley]

A lot of online print shops will print you a set of very small test prints on a few different papers very cheep.

[magic crown]

Best way to print is to print it yourself with your home printer

Cost less and almost same quality

The printer need ofc the option

[charred holly]

Up to A4 it is indeed

I wish I could do large prints at home...

[magic crown]

Little owl !

[charred holly]

smowl

[magic crown]

First visit !

[scarlet tulip]

Red-Eyed Vireo from the archive

Can’t wait for spring lol

[magic crown]

I have a pretty good idea for this one i will test if it's work

[astral saffron]

I just got like the same exact shot this last weekend

[magic crown]

After the Little Owl time to do the Northen Gannet

With the only breed in the region

[fast knoll]

howd u find the owl?

seems like u found it so easily

[magic crown]

A friend told me the spot

[fast knoll]

ah i see

[terse dust]

Just ask yourself "if I was an owl, where would I be?" and boom you'll find one

[scarlet tulip]

Unfortunately the answer is often “up a tree away from people”

[plucky condor]

Deep in a cave

[terse dust]

Aight I ordered another 300mm 2.8. hopefully this one works now cause I haven't gone out to photograph in over a month and it's totally not driving me crazy

[spring vault]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c_pIAOfCmS4?feature=share

lol the settings

[fast knoll]

what about them

nothing seems glaringly incorrect to me

[fast knoll]

oh noo what happened to the first one

[terse dust]

It wouldn't focus

I think the focusing motor was damaged in shipping or something

[fast knoll]

mpb?

[terse dust]

The one I ordered is cheaper but it says it has moderate internal haze that may or may not affect IQ

Usedphotopro

Original one I ordered was from ebay

Some seller in Japan

[spring vault]

its just rly dark outside

[fast knoll]

ohh lol

if i saw a screech owl that late i would still prob try to get photos with my f7.1

which would be impossible

[terse dust]

My little baby is up on mpb still https://share.google/0OfdnfZHLY1PndcRF

[spring vault]

if you can get a 2 second pic of an owl u can prolly get a longer one

[fast knoll]

yea

it had a little motion blur already

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/648971625

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/524585861

this guy is the eastern screech owl expert

he uses a 400 2.8

[wide flint]

Dream lens

esp the nikon one with the built in TC

[fast knoll]

why cant canon do the built in tc smh

[wide flint]

Yeah it's insane, you just get a free 560mm f4 lens with your 400 2.8

[terse dust]

It may be because canon has a patent or something of a tc that has 1x, 1.4x, and 2x all in one. I doubt they even release that in the next few years tho

[spring vault]

current canon teleprimes are just the ef ones with a built in adapter

gen 2 teleprimes will prolly be a lot cooler

but also $$$$$

[fast knoll]

are there any confirmed release dates for these

i feel like gen 1 rf lenses are already so good

it's hard to improve

unless they can get even lighter than 6 pounds

which is already quite amazing for a 600 f4

[spring vault]

no prolly not for a couple more years

I bet before 2030!

[fast knoll]

welp i have 8 more years of school/training

once i actually start making money hopefully the gen 2 is out

[spring vault]

first ef 600 f4 was 1999 then gen 2 came out 12 years later and then gen 3 came out 7 years after that. The rf version thats based on gen 3 ef came out two years later. The rf version is 5 years old.

so idk 2-10 years

took 19 years for ef 400 2.8 to get an update

[terse dust]

Criminal

But if it ain't broke don't fix it

[remote remnant]

first gen ef 600 f4 (no stabilization 💀 ) is like $1500 on ebay

[left brook]

funny ass bird

[wide flint]

How does that guy have baby birds in January

Or does he just have a huge ass backlog

[terse dust]

And it also weighs approximately 2 fucktons @remote remnant

[astral saffron]

Backlog or in the southern hemisphere. It’s summer here in Namibia right now

[wide flint]

Its in Indiana US, so ig just backlog

[terse dust]

We back baby

[terse dust]

Too bad it's raining

[fast knoll]

Rainy photos look super cool

If only he were perched on something more visually appealing

[terse dust]

If it's raining I want it pouring, drizzle looks okay but a downpour is where it's at

[magic crown]

Today it's time for gannet
I hope to see some of them today

[magic crown]

Unedited shots

[grizzled nebula]

which lens?

[grizzled nebula]

smh

[dusty fog]

what a beautiful posh bird

[scarlet tulip]

Gannets are lovely

[magic crown]

holy sharpness

[left brook]

damnnnn

[silent coral]

any tips for the crop? dunno what to do, thanks!

[shut hazel]

zamn

[magic crown]

the natural edit version of the 1st shot

[brazen hemlock]

i birb'd: #🖼・photo-sharing message

[shut hazel]

very nice

i like blue jay

[scarlet tulip]

Nice set of images

[wide flint]

sick shots

what is up with the wb on the last pic tho

[grizzled nebula]

yh i messed up but it looks kinda nice so i kept it like that

[fast knoll]

U need to work on ur handheld video skills lol

[grizzled nebula]

I had the waves going over my shoes 😭

But i do need to work on that anyway

[magic crown]

Monopod and tripod

[wide flint]

Ofc a Kingfisher perches right in front of me when I only have my 24-70mm with me and its too far away 😭

Istg these Kingfishers know me and just want to taunt me

[magic crown]

Bro taunt you

[charred holly]

It is well known that birds are paid by camera companies to always be slightly out of reach or in the shadows

Gotta sell new hardware $$$

[fast knoll]

brown creeper that i was quite bad at tracking

[grizzled nebula]

what lens?

and how many mm in this video

[fast knoll]

100-500

500

i stabilized it tho

in da vinci

here's an example of r5 + 100-500 unstabilized vs stabilized

ok the stabilized one sent first lol

no matter how hard i try my handheld is a tiny bit shaky

[scarlet tulip]

those vermillions are so stupid pretty

[fast knoll]

yea this was my first time seeing one i was like damn that thing is hella red

[scarlet tulip]

them, scarlet tanagers, and cardinals

[magic crown]

climbing birb

[spice silo]

some shots i got while i took a short walk

[fast knoll]

man u have such cool birds

went looking for owls this morning but didnt see any

the view was cool tho

[grizzled nebula]

kingfisher!

[narrow crag]

I think the perfect focal length is a fast 500mm that can be teleconverted easily. 600/4 can be a bit tough to get BIF shots up close, 500/4 is much easier and also easier to travel with/lighter in theory. With teleconverters you can get a 700 which is perfect for tighter shots, and 1000 which is much nicer to use than 1200 when you 2X a 600.

If you're talking about bare lenses that don't take TC's well, I would get a zoom that goes as far as you can afford. Something like the 400-800 or 200-800 for birds.

On crop 600 is plenty though... Just get a very good sharp lens

[spring vault]

I wanna 400 2.8

[narrow crag]

The only problem is I'd use the 2x all the time

And I don't wanna do that

For me 600 is great but I think a new 500 f/4 would be awesome too

Especially if it was like, 2400g or something

[deep vigil]

I'm trying bird videography today

[narrow crag]

Even the old one was a lot smaller than the 600

I bet they could make it nearly 100-300 size nowadays

That would be awesome.

Physics would dictate it could definitely could be smaller than the Nikon 400 /2.8 TC and RF 400 /2.8 by a pretty big margin, and those are a lot smaller then the RF 600 which is what I have now. Unfortunately it'll never happen 😭

[narrow crag]

Nice

[deep vigil]

I'm not sure what the best video settings are since I'm new to video really but I'm experimenting with different things and figuring it out...

[spring vault]

that's why you get both a 400 2.8 and a 800 6.3

and a 600 f4

[deep vigil]

Great idea

[gilded yarrow]

Difference from 500-600 is barely noticeable

[narrow crag]

Not in size cost and weight.

Theoretically

[gilded yarrow]

And with anything above 600 heat haze becomes a problem too quickly imo, I think 600 is pretty much ideal, I mean theres reasons why 600 f4 is like the Nr 1 wildlife lens pros use

[narrow crag]

also it's noticeable. I have both

[narrow crag]

Pro bird photogs also use TC's 40+% of the time

But yeah if you're just a birder 600 is great

I'd definitely take a $2000 cheaper and lighter and smaller lens in exchange for 500mm because 1200 is a bit unnecessary compared to 1000 with the 2x.

[narrow crag]

You're just too far away then. You can use 1000+mm without heat haze issues if you're still the same distance as you would have been at 600. It doesn't double your manageable working distance of course

[gilded yarrow]

But why would you need 800+ at closer distances?

[narrow crag]

Why not?

[gilded yarrow]

Cuz even with 600 you can fill the frame

[narrow crag]

Detail shots, extra small subjects

not at 15m you cant

Not with a songbird

[gilded yarrow]

But at 15m heat haze will be a problem once it gets higher than like 20c

[narrow crag]

heat haze is independent of actual temperature

It's about temperature differential between a surface like the ground and the air

[gilded yarrow]

Yeah ik, had heat haze at around 0c a few weeks ago lmao

[narrow crag]

You can get heat haze in frigid temps

yeah

[gilded yarrow]

But ofc it gets worse once its even hotter

eh, I personally think 600 is ideal reach wise, but yeah maybe for some subjects more would be even nicer

[narrow crag]

Yeah there's a reason I have a 600, but I think 500 is probably perfect, just due to being much easier on the wallet/back/arms/packing

If there was a modern 500 f/4 smaller than the 400/2.8's I'd sell my 600 f/4 for one.

[gilded yarrow]

Yeah true

[narrow crag]

And for situations like flying swallows, a few hundred grams of weight loss and that extra FOV is awesome

600 can be tough for stuff flying around fast

[gilded yarrow]

Yup 100%, thats why I like my 200-600 haha

can just zoom out

[narrow crag]

Yeah I use my 100-500 for that haha

But an in-between lens would be awesome

Still bright enough for rainforest conditions but not quite as crazy to deal with as the 600

[narrow crag]

Imagine a mirrorless version another inch shorter than this and sans a few hundred grams

It's theoretically possible

The RF 600 is longer than that one due to the adapter

[gilded yarrow]

Yeah that would be sick

[charred holly]

Man, there was a ~400$ discount on the Sigma 500mm f5.6 and I have been biting my nails very hard not to order it

I have picked up wildlife photography less than a year ago and I feel like upgrading my 70 350 so early would be a mistake

I am very far from being wealthy and I don't make money from this hobby 😅

[gilded yarrow]

nahh

dec 2023 I got a canon 250d with a old ass tamron 70-300

around april 2024 I had my a7iii with the sony 200-600

may 2025 I upgraded my a7iii to the a7iv

[wide flint]

Summer 2024 I got a 100-400 for my sony a6400, 5 months later I got my Z8 and 180-600

[charred holly]

I am always a bit wary to go too fast, when I picked up guitar I played for years on a terrible 200$ guitar until I felt I was worthy of anything else lol

[gilded yarrow]

Nah I'm exactly the other way around

well

I knew the a7iii would get me better pictures

and it wasnt fun photographing knowing my cam was limiting me so hard

[wide flint]

Fair enough, depends on how financially secure you are ofc and how much effort and time you have to put into the hobby

[brazen hemlock]

if i really get into photography, i'll probably get z8+600mm f6.3 eventually.

[wide flint]

skill issue

[gilded yarrow]

not really

bad af & soft ahh lens

[wide flint]

download more sharpness

[gilded yarrow]

shouldve done that smh, wouldve saved me 4k€

[wide flint]

Z8 is really good, but compared to other new models it's missing pre-capture

Can def be really nice for bird photography, but not a must tbh

[brazen hemlock]

k i get z8ii

[scarlet tulip]

Z8 is fine

[charred holly]

Precapture is probably the thing I miss the most on my a6700

[scarlet tulip]

pre-capture is a hyperniche thing that, while nice, does not make or break a system at all

[charred holly]

Too bad APSC is kind of an afterthough for Sony

[wide flint]

nah you def miss the better noise performance of a ff sensor more

[wide flint]

yeah very true

I mean Z8 does actually have precap, but for jpeg only

fun to play around with at feeders in good light, but not more usefull than that

[charred holly]

True tbh, I only take my camera when there isn't a single cloud in sight lol

Duck it, here are two shots I hesitated to post because they were taken when I started the hobby on probably one of the worse wildlife lens on the market

[fast knoll]

theyre pretty nice

[narrow crag]

Great flight shots!

[fast knoll]

yea z8 is great overall

[brazen hemlock]

bird of prey bif shots are my dream shots

[fast knoll]

yea i dont have many

usually theyre hovering too high to get a quality pic

[dark ermine]

few rainy shots from today

[scarlet tulip]

you're in the right place for peregrines, too

so many tall buildings

[fast knoll]

the only peregrine ive ever seen

[scarlet tulip]

lucky, i've never been that close

i'm hoping for more broad-wings this year, they're fun to catch flying

[shut hazel]

gah zamn

what lens ?

[gilded yarrow]

she has it in her Name lol

[shut hazel]

oh

i thought it might be smth different

what brand tamron sigma ?

[left brook]

i would guess the sigma contemporary

[left brook]

dayummmm

[gilded yarrow]

2nd one is cool

where is this?

[drifting silo]

Thx, its in Nettetal

Nvm i cant send the links

[gilded yarrow]

Sadly pretty far away from me, only 1.5h from where my dad lives tho

[drifting silo]

Beobachtungsturm Vogelschutzgebiet Nette

[gilded yarrow]

Thanks! Might check it out when I visit my dad again

[dark minnow]

Its been a while since i got a nice photo of a Black-Capped Chickadee. Still a BOAS but I like it

[dark ermine]

yeah sigma 150-600 contemporary... i'm starting to think about upgrading though because the fx z8 sensor is unkind to the flaws / softness of the sigma

[dark ermine]

you've got light editing on lock. so nice.

[magic crown]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-group-birds-sparrow-human-hands-gif-27689564

[grizzled nebula]

i'll be seeing golden eagles very soon

if it doesn't snow too much

[brazen hemlock]

i have way too many shots like this:

bif tracking is hard

[charred holly]

electronic shutter goes brr

[deep vigil]

Mmmm

Birb video is therapeutic

[dusty fog]

does Zf have bird AF i forget

[brazen hemlock]

yea, but i was using z50ii

meanwhile, af isn't the issue

it's more that with the 600mm, even the slightest movement affects the composition significantly.

and you are moving your camera/lens to follow the bird, and the bird will chance speed and direction, often abrubtly.

i'm thinking that learning the habits of the bird, and their flight pattern, how they like to land, and if i can figure out any tell signs they are about to dive, could be useful in the future.

though, i think this is one of those where nothing will beat practice. just need to practice tracking birds.

[fast knoll]

Is ur camera blackout free or nah

Mine isn’t

[brazen hemlock]

no it isn't

[fast knoll]

I think it makes tracking a bit more difficult

[brazen hemlock]

yea it's frustrating

[fast knoll]

Yea it def takes practice

[brazen hemlock]

it blacks out, and then the bird is suddenly on the other side of the frame

[fast knoll]

I learned that I need to move faster than I think lol

[brazen hemlock]

yea i'm trying to lead with the lens more, to give it more space towards where it's flying

but it also means that if the bird changes directions, i may need to move a larger distance

[fast knoll]

For my camera there’s no actual “blackout” but it only shows me the previous photo I took in a series so I’m always a frame behind

[brazen hemlock]

ah i guess instead of blacking out, they are just freezing the frame

[wise trench]

it scares me away from buying certain mirrorlesses

[brazen hemlock]

but yea, being slightly behind on what you see can def make bif trackign difficult

[fast knoll]

Gotta make do with what u have tho unfortunately

It’ll make u better for when u upgrade

[brazen hemlock]

wait. so, this is a super silly q, but wouldn't dslr have black out also? doesn't the mirror have to clap? heh, i haven't used a dslr before.

[wise trench]

not exactly no its a bit different system than mirrorless

[fast knoll]

It does when the mirror flips up tho right?

I haven’t used a dslr in a while

[brazen hemlock]

i'll look more into that later. i'm curious

[brazen hemlock]

that's what i was thinking

[fast knoll]

FPS is generally lower on dslr too

[brazen hemlock]

but maybe it's much faster and you don't notice it as much?

[fast knoll]

Nowadays the only pro of a dslr is the battery life

[wise trench]

yeah thats what i mean

ive never noticed a problem

[fast knoll]

Welp u know the solution time to buy a z9

[wise trench]

for one theres not 20 photos being taken a second lol

[fast knoll]

And I’ll buy my r5ii

[wise trench]

my dream

[fast knoll]

I’m too spoiled lol the r5 is more than enough

That’s what I have to keep telling myself or else I’ll never be happy

[wise trench]

i want precapture

is it worth the extra 1k+? no

[fast knoll]

Well better AF too and blackout free viewfinder and stacked sensor

Worse low light performance tho slightly

R5 can’t follow a bird taking off

But that’s unrealistic of me to wish for I think

Not many cameras can do that

[wise trench]

you underestimate top cameras lol

[fast knoll]

R1 definitely

R1 with the r5ii sensor would be insane

[wise trench]

r5 could 5 years ago for some people

[fast knoll]

I prob haven’t discovered the secret

I couldn’t even get a bcnh taking off in focus lol

Skill issue

[deep vigil]

My poor ass trying to do bird in flight video on old hardware kek

People have been doing it for many yeara so why can't I? Not a problem if it's super difficult

[narrow crag]

Worse after like iso 10k

They're good for different things

[fast knoll]

yea all the pros who do sport photography dont need that cropping power

so 24 is fine for them

and that's who canon listens to

[narrow crag]

It crops pretty well tho. I've spent a lot of time comparing the files and it's closer than you might expect. I think the R1 just has some different sensor/processing tech going on

I know it uses different moiré filters and a different sensor layout with quad pixel AF and stuff

Not sure what exactly the secret sauce is but it's good

Looks more like what I'd expect a 30mp file to look like

[dusty fog]

yeah it definitely takes some practice

[dark ermine]

it's def achievable with older tech, just much harder. what you don't see in the photos is the set up people have, which is usually a semi controlled environment, deliberately placed perches for an easier time predicting where the bird is going to aim for when coming in for a landing, etc.

[deep vigil]

Sure

Note that I'm after video in particular which is a wild time

[spring vault]

blackout free viewfinder

[deep vigil]

Cool

[spring vault]

I only used it like twice and I havent even culled yet because I got distracted by other hobbies but it kinda works

bigger birds I prefer evf but tiny fast birds like swallows I think are easier with it

[dusty fog]

This is actually kinda smart lmao

Someone should make a tele lens that has rails

[spring vault]

I could prolly sell aftermarket feet for popular lenses

effort tho

hard to sell a 3d printed part for decent money even if its well made and a cnc alu part with these dimensions and geometry would be too expensive

I could make it only a rail and no handle and it would be cheaper but I wouldnt wanna use a tele without a carry handle

[dusty fog]

Hot shoe maybe?

[spring vault]

hot shoe dot sights already exist ttartisan has one for $60

kinda crappy mount tho not rigid enough

I had the ttartisan and decided I liked it but not how it used the hotshoe so I returned it and bought this airsoft dot sight for $40 lol

[dusty fog]

Manufacturers really just need to include some sort of universal mounting option on lens collars or something

Lots of possibilities there

[remote remnant]

rheee

🔥

[brazen hemlock]

i bif'd: #🖼・photo-sharing message

all just practice. there's no particular shot i like that much. trying to compose with a flying bird is hard.

[scarlet tulip]

nice call, going to a pond

best place to practice, and gulls are fun to see

[fast knoll]

those r super nice

[carmine fox]

going through the archives (its too cold to take anything new)

[grizzled nebula]

weak nikon user

[wide flint]

He does not represent Nikon user at large

[wide flint]

Honestly I never think about composition with BIF, its just spray and pray and hope u have enough pics with the bird fully in frame

[carmine fox]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-frustrated-wolf-of-wall-street-annoyed-smh-gif-9553858

[charred holly]

Can't have bad composition if your background is just sky lol

[brazen hemlock]

yea, i live a 10-min walk way from the east river. there are always water birds there, so it's a great spot for practice.

[brazen hemlock]

yea, that's what i was doing, heh. just hold the shutter down.

[deep vigil]

I got a titmouse eating eeee

[brazen hemlock]

they are so cute

[deep vigil]

It's a video so I'm not sure if I should pull a still from it or what

[brazen hemlock]

more birbs: #🖼・photo-sharing message

yea central park birds are super friendly

i didn't know that cardinals ate out of people's hands

[shut hazel]

borb

[scarlet tulip]

The common perchers will go for hand seed if given the chance

I want to try this with chickadees and a 35mm

[deep vigil]

Wow very nice

[magic crown]

Holy pose

[gilded yarrow]

Guys

Theres a flock of around 30 waxwings in a city only 30m away from me!!

Will go see them on saturday if they stay there

[magic crown]

Damn

I hope you will get some good shots

[gilded yarrow]

Thanks, not sure how close I can get to them but we'll see

Even just seeing them would make me happy, theyre pretty high up on the list of birds I wanna see

[magic crown]

Lets try

[brazen hemlock]

my first hawk shot. a red-tailed hawk. not the best shot but i'm so excited to get my first hawk shot.

[magic crown]

Holy stare

[brazen hemlock]

as y'all can tell, i'm really enjoying my new lens, heh.

[scarlet tulip]

100-400 on a crop sensor is a ton of fun

[gilded yarrow]

Sick

[charred holly]

I love when branches are actually helping to frame the subject instead of hiding it, nice job

Many of my photos are just birds trying their hardest to find the most annoying places for my camera

[grizzled nebula]

warra evf

[magic crown]

3d printer bc i lost the original one

If it work it's good

[grizzled nebula]

Ig

[magic crown]

holy pose

[magic crown]

but i don't pay for another one

btw i got this really insane fog and light this morning

the sharpness take a huge hit cause of this

[grizzled nebula]

💔

unfortunate

[magic crown]

But the shot still insane with an okay sharpness

[grizzled nebula]

i mean the head is pretty soft

but other than that is it nice

[magic crown]

Yeah the fog was really huge this morning but it was really fast

[grizzled nebula]

i need to go that lake where u got these pics of the flamingos at sunset

[magic crown]

You talk about Vaccarès or Pont de Gau ? I go on both

If it's from this shot it's Vaccarès

[grizzled nebula]

yh i was talking about this

je vais retourner en camargue dans pas trop longtemps

peut etre pour mon anniv

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-not-i-dont-know-maybe-we-dont-know-gif-4965071280460852343

je vais au ski avant donc j'espere voir des beaux oiseaux dans la neige

[magic crown]

[grizzled nebula]

peut etre un petit tour dans le mercantour avec la neige

https://tenor.com/view/timbaland-kewcheeeman-gif-21658755

plus que 4 jours!

[fast knoll]

peep the sharpnes

[scarlet tulip]

Yellow eye man

[bitter axle]

I love the colors

Such a beautiful photo

[scarlet tulip]

I’m not sure about them, but I’m glad you like them

[grizzled nebula]

I need to go looking for these woodpeckers again

[charred holly]

Forgot I took this photo two years ago. Shot on a Lumix TZ100 compact camera with a 1" sensor. Turns out even small sensors can produce decent enough results with enough light. Too bad I wasn't much into this hobby back then so I don't have a RAW.

[grizzled nebula]

back 🔜

camargue is incredible

[charred holly]

Looks like you sent a thumbnail, but it do look incredible indeed still lol

[gilded yarrow]

Woooo waxwings are still there, good chance of finding them tomorrow

Hope I'll be alone there so no 70 year old birder will be mad if I get closer than 100m lmao

[grizzled nebula]

It's a random image i found on google

just to show what it looks like

[charred holly]

Ah ok

Je sais même pas pourquoi je parle angais lol

[grizzled nebula]

ah t fr 😂

[charred holly]

J'habite à une heure de route du pont de Gau... si j'avais une caisse 🙁

[grizzled nebula]

j'abhite a 2H

mais j'ai pas de voiture

je me deplace en train 🔥

[charred holly]

Ca à l'air assez accessible depuis Arles, ce printemps peut-être

[grizzled nebula]

depuis arles c'est tres facilement accessible

[charred holly]

Ouais, les 20€ aller 20€ retour piquent quand même

[grizzled nebula]

tu peut prendre un bus pour aller au saintes maries de la mer

il me semble*

je vais y aller dans pas trop longtemps

je suis en train de faire le code de la route actuellement et ça casse tellement les couilles

le code de la route c'est que du ragebait

[charred holly]

Force, je suis passé par là et le temps passe si lentement pendant le code

Je suis autour de Montpellier au passage, on a quelques étangs sympas pas loin quand même

[grizzled nebula]

je suis vers grimaud moi, j'ai le massif des maures juste derriere chez moi

[charred holly]

J'ai jamais dépassé Toulon dans ce sens, j'en garde des souvenirs de fou

La Méditerranée parait fade de l'autre côté après

[grizzled nebula]

apres moi je suis "pres" des gorges du verdon et des alpes aussi

[charred holly]

Nickel, à la croisée de tout

[grizzled nebula]

quand je passe le code je vais passer toutes mes journée dehors

je vais faire le verdon, mercantour, camargue etc tout le temps

1H pour aller au verdon

[charred holly]

Nice, j'avais pas trop l'utilité d'une voiture mais depuis que je suis passé à du bon matos photo je commence à regarder LBC très fort

[grizzled nebula]

j'ai eu un petit heritage qui m'a permi d'acheter du bon matos et maintenant j'ai envi d'aller de partout

malheuresement j'ai presque plus rien

enfin je travail en ce moment

donc bientot peut etre

[charred holly]

J'ai un pote qui a dit merde et a fait un PVT de 1 an au Japon

Fan de moto lui, il est au paradis

[grizzled nebula]

on va m'offrir 2 jours au ski et un voyage en norvege pour mon anniv

donc ça va etre une bonne opportunité d'utiliser mon nouvel objectif

je l'aurai pas avant le ski je pense par contre

[charred holly]

Bon courage pour la Norvège, j'ai fais le Quebec par -38 et c'est violent sous une certaine température

[grizzled nebula]

mais pour la norvege et camargue je l'aurais

[grizzled nebula]

je sors en t-shirt dans des temperatures de -2°C

ça dois etre ma partie ecossaise qui m'aide pour ça

[charred holly]

Pourtant un sudiste sous les zéros c'est un glaçon 😛

[grizzled nebula]

mes 2 parents viennes du nord

mon pere d'ecosse et ma mere de tours

moi je suis né a gassin

[charred holly]

J'ai fais l'inverse, je suis lyonnais de base

[grizzled nebula]

le chaud j'ai un peu de mal mais ça passe

[charred holly]

dayum

[grizzled nebula]

j'espere qu'il arrive le 5 quand je serai de retour du ski

[grizzled nebula]

il se vend pour 5500 euros normalement donc j'ai pas pu resister

[charred holly]

C'est donné pour un 600 f4

[grizzled nebula]

si je l'aime pas je peut me faire 1500 euros de profit

meme plus vu la condition

plus grand que ma tete

[charred holly]

mdr par rapport à mon matos

[grizzled nebula]

le mien est encore plus grand

j'ai acheté the EF IS II

[charred holly]

Tu penses pouvoir tenir ça à la main?

[grizzled nebula]

L'objectif que j'ai vs celui qui arrive

[grizzled nebula]

je pense

sinon mon trepied se transforme en mono

pas super chez le trepied mais il est super bien

[grizzled nebula]

il faut rajouter l'adaptateur pour le grand*

[charred holly]

Pressé de voir tes photos avec ce monstre 🙂

[grizzled nebula]

la premiere chose que je vais aller photographier avec je crois que ça va etre ce martin pecheur que je vois tout le temps

ou les oiseaux dans mon jardin

faut que je pense a remettre des vers dans le mengeoire

il est toujours la lui

[fast knoll]

@grizzled nebula when is ur 600 arriving?

R u gonna keep the 100-500 still

[grizzled nebula]

next 6 days normally

idk when exactly

[grizzled nebula]

yes

[fast knoll]

Excited to see the photos

[grizzled nebula]

i'm excited too

[deep vigil]

Just got a DJI mic mini for my bird videos, gonna plant it near where I expect birds to get localized audio at super telephoto distances with minimum post work

[shut hazel]

bird

[gilded yarrow]

Wooooo

[wide flint]

Niicee

Bohemian waxwings are so fucking cool

They have gotten so much rarer in the Netherlands in the past years sadly

[gilded yarrow]

Yup, 1st time seeing them

drove almost an hour but it was so worth it

[wide flint]

I remember back in the day we even had one in our garden and right next to my school

Used to just watch them through the window instead of paying attention in class

[gilded yarrow]

Ooooh it was my 100th Lifer!

Saw a flock of like 25 rooks on my way there that was my 99th one lol

[storm helm]

amazing idea

[green meadow]

Oh my, so close but also so far away. For me that clipped tail totally ruins this photo. 😑

[wide flint]

Still absolutely sick imo, the clipped tail is a bit of a shame, but not a total dealbreaker

[green meadow]

Thanks! Probably just me being overly critical of my own work, but I can’t unsee that clipped tail.

[gilded yarrow]

Same thing happened to me today with the waxwings

like 3x

Got this one but the background is very mid

more of a birding day, bad photo location

[gilded yarrow]

Need to get better at tracking birds

[green meadow]

Yep, I feel you… happens way too often. 🫠

[gilded yarrow]

Also I feel like the af was extra shitty today, can it be less accurate when its very cold?

Sensor also did some weird thing, hopefully just because it was insanely cold & windy, was photographing and then suddenly the viewfinder turned black

photos I took were black too

restarted the cam and everything was working again

[green meadow]

Not sure but I think the cold might affect slightly. Electronics slows down and lens mechanics stiffen???

[gilded yarrow]

Yeah thats what I thought

just speculation

more scared the cam will break lol, never had that happen before

only happened once

poor guy lost his food lmao

[green meadow]

Hopefully it was just onetime thing. I'm really worried about condensation when coming in from the cold if it can ruin gear too.

[gilded yarrow]

There was no condensation at all, just that happening 🤷‍♂️

[wide flint]

I've had my cam completely crash 2 times now, both times there wasn't really a clear reason why and it worked again when pulling the battery out and in

[gilded yarrow]

Maybe sometimes cams are just weird like that

[green meadow]

I have noticed that with Nikon poor connection between body and lens can cause freezing like that.

[grizzled nebula]

just want to say ur photos are incredible

[grizzled nebula]

i have the same issue sometimes on my canon camera but my camera just stops taking photos completely until i remove battery

luckily it doesn't happen a lot

[green meadow]

Thank you so much, that really means a lot to me!

[shut hazel]

biiirb

[wise trench]

Birds seem to fly from branch to branch way faster, and i seem way slower at tracking them lol

Maybe both our gear is slower and the birds are more restless

[gilded yarrow]

Wow this was a bitch to edit

@magic crown

[magic crown]

holy sharpness

and the color 󠄀

[gilded yarrow]

Thanks

[gilded yarrow]

Yeah got lucky haha

the birds are so sleek with barely any feather details visible that it was really hard to get them in focus

Plus the eye af rarely worked because their whole face is black lol

[magic crown]

it's still good

[gilded yarrow]

got spot af bound to the button on my lens, that saved me

[wise trench]

finally someone can relate to my dslr pain

[gilded yarrow]

I got an a7iv

Not even close to a dslr lmao

[wise trench]

No I mean the spot point thing

I do not have eye af lol, I have to deal with spot all of the time

[gilded yarrow]

Ahhhh

Yeah lol but it worked really good

spot tracking so it just stuck to the head

[wise trench]

I might just say fuck it and buy a r5ii

this 5d mark iv is good but man some of the missed photos pmo

[shut hazel]

Cro

[gilded yarrow]

Hell yeah

[gilded yarrow]

Sick

rain is so nice for photos

[fast knoll]

California condor. Population of 550

[grizzled nebula]

what position did he end up getting in the race?

[gilded yarrow]

Meh

Background sucks

[fast knoll]

how do u guys edit plain blue sky backgrounds to make it more interesting?

i feel like this looks weird

[shut hazel]

yes

[shut hazel]

I play around with gradients mostly

[fast knoll]

yea i did a linear mask

[shut hazel]

but a lighter one so its not that visible

[fast knoll]

and just turned down exposure

[shut hazel]

o

[fast knoll]

how do u do it

[shut hazel]

i lowk dont know

I just use darktable

[gilded yarrow]

Yes, gradients lmao

[shut hazel]

And theres a gradient tool in the exposure setting

so i use that

I dont really know how to use these things that well

[fast knoll]

too much?

lowkey

ok i'll just leave it at this

[wise trench]

Definitely not too much lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940588039837720626/1322230347257352202/0T0A2998-Enhanced-NR.jpg?ex=697f7678&is=697e24f8&hm=43884a58d961d60b491fa7b04cbb71cbca64175707c684ac8eddda0f7e2a7bb4&

not a bird photo but this is a fun gradient I did (probably too much?)

[shut hazel]

Nah i think its cool

[charred holly]

Tried to break the mold and do astro-wildlife photography, with mixed results...

I think I need a ND filter

[shut hazel]

thats cool

[fast knoll]

sick!

i was trying to line a great horned owl up with the moon yesterday

but the perfect spot was blocked by a big ass tree in front of me

[charred holly]

First picture was taken at f32 lol

[scarlet tulip]

give it a little less highlight in the gradient, or a little less shadow

the gradient starts feeling odd once it's too contrasty

[charred holly]

How do you even have both a bird and the moon in focus? Composite two shots I guess?

[fast knoll]

yea u would have to expose differently for each

moon is so bright

or get a sillhouette

[charred holly]

Fair

[wise trench]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-mr-o-hare-gif-23348715

[charred holly]

Also I think I'll go manual focus next time, AF was completely lost with so much darkness

[scarlet tulip]

i try to accentuate gradients that already exist so the edit doesn't look as forced

[charred holly]

Looks like fringing is under control, so nice job

[wise trench]

I need to listen to this advice more lol

sometimes my edits are too strong I think

[scarlet tulip]

it helps that the lens is as close to fringeless as i've ever seen

other thing i find useful is to make the flying thing move into the lighter half of the gradient

[charred holly]

Had some pretty bad results with subject masking, chromatic aberrations can ruin it

[scarlet tulip]

metal bird but you get the idea

[fast knoll]

i think this looks decent the light is hitting the left side of the body

[wise trench]

yeah, whichever direction bird looks at/flies to > add the light source

[fast knoll]

looking left as well

technically right but

[scarlet tulip]

yeah, he's looking into the light

[wise trench]

not exactly moving but

similar case

[scarlet tulip]

if it's a flat sky i sometimes just leave it flat

[charred holly]

For plain skies, is it even worth trying not to blow out the sky?

[scarlet tulip]

i try not to

but in the end getting range on the subject matters most

[charred holly]

Yeah, when I tried to expose for sky my subject ended up quite noisy since sunlight didn't hit it

[fast knoll]

i ettr for shots like that

usually the sky is recoverable unless conditions r super weird

[light valley]

Think I generally prefer a large radial gradient. Seems more natural. Second pict ^ is pretty much perfect to me.

[scarlet tulip]

How would a radial gradient be more natural?

[light valley]

It’s what I see in most of skies before I edit them.
Maybe because the sun is a point source where the gradient would be radiating from. Don’t often see anything straight in nature.

[scarlet tulip]

depends a lot on the focal length used

[light valley]

Does it? 🤷

[scarlet tulip]

you tell me

a radial gradient when used in concert with a long telephoto is going to look a lot like vignette

especially on a flat sky

[light valley]

I see see where we are talking past each other.

It wont if you use a very large radial gradient. Even if you used a telescope focal length the gradient will most likely have a slight curve to it.

I think a perfectly straight line across the image looks out of place and would look better if it had a very slight curve to it.

[scarlet tulip]

if the gradient is this large, one probably won't notice a curve at all

but your method would work as well

[light valley]

True. I see it a lot but I may be over sensitive to it because I look for it.

I usually try to put the center of the gradient where the sun would be. Sometimes that is very far away. Sometimes it’s not.

[wide flint]

😭

[dusty fog]

counts

[wide flint]

You can at least see that he's just taunting me

He knows what he's doing

[charred holly]

Bird is looking at you like "hey bro, I can sell you a 400-800 with a x2 tele"

[grizzled nebula]

1288mm F/16 🥶

[charred holly]

Sharpness is still pretty good

But at this focal range, I would worry more about atmospheric haze lol

[grizzled nebula]

light isn't

F/16 lol

[charred holly]

I would say f16 is still acceptable on a sunny day

But like, not a single cloud in sight sunny

[scarlet tulip]

You’d be surprised

Though stopping down that far is going to make everything less sharp, so it’s of limited use

[grizzled nebula]

diffraction will be a big issue

[charred holly]

duck!

[scarlet tulip]

up close with the herring gulls today

[magic crown]

🔥

[grizzled nebula]

c'est quoi?

[magic crown]

Un concours de la meilleur photo de décembre

[grizzled nebula]

je peut avoir le lien stp 🙂

[magic crown]

Du concours ?

[grizzled nebula]

👍

[magic crown]

https://pulsepx.com/quest/g0Mpbr6b8F?type=brand

[grizzled nebula]

merci!

gg pour la victoire!

[shut hazel]

france

[wide flint]

oui oui baguette

[magic crown]

Baguette power

[finite flower]

havent posted anything here in awhile

[magic crown]

the colors of the feathers omg

a metallic blue

[grizzled nebula]

d'ailleurs je pense deja a retourner en camargue au printemps donc on pourra peut etre ce voir vers la stv

[magic crown]

ouais stv

miss and mister birb

[grizzled nebula]

❤️

[grizzled nebula]

si je meurs pas sous le poids du 600 F/4 bien sur

je vais devoir transformer mon trepieds en mono

[shut hazel]

fun crow shots in the rain

the last one is funny it looks like th crow moved its head when it got hit by the drop

[spring vault]

what the bird doin

central-south american bird chilling in michigan

[dusty fog]

bro got lost

[charred holly]

When your gps is out of date

[scarlet tulip]

Guy got caught on the wrong thermal

[gilded yarrow]

Lol poor guy

[gilded yarrow]

burd

[scarlet tulip]

Shout

[charred holly]

burd indeed

[gilded gale]

Why discord be compressing the fk out of photos unless you zoom in?

[scarlet tulip]

you are probably shown the preview until you want to see a full version

saves data

[gilded gale]

yeah ofc, I just feel like it's gotten worse

[gilded yarrow]

Lol on mobile you need to open in browser to see any kind of detail

[gilded gale]

I'm on desktop

unless you open the large version AND click to zoom it's compressed to all hell

it's actually saving the images as multiple different urls

if you just click the image once, and right click open it's still compressed in the browser, if you zoom in, then right click open, its not compressed

[brazen hemlock]

@scarlet tulip looks like i need to head over to the flushing meadows park: https://ebird.org/hotspot/L6616110/bird-list

i live in astoria, so flushing is fairly close

supposedly there is a kingfisher there

i want to photograph them diving: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_zk9g7w3sgI

[scarlet tulip]

they're very difficult to get near, best bet is to set up somewhere inconspicuous near an open bare branch

they are very active and will fly to a good hunting perch, but any approach scares them

[brazen hemlock]

got it

lol

where this is going right now.....

soon i'm going to be in camo

carrying a z8

and a prime lens

600 or 800 not sure yet

i really like 600 so far, but that's also central park

[scarlet tulip]

600 plus a teleconverter does the job for most people

[brazen hemlock]

will 600 be enough at jamaica bay? i'll find out

[scarlet tulip]

you could probably convert that 100-400 if you wanted, it's a great lens

[shut hazel]

it would be cool if teleconverters you could zoom with existed

[brazen hemlock]

this is fairly soft. around 2000 is when i start noticing.

[shut hazel]

like a 1.4 - 2x one so you can kinda mess around with it if you smacked it onto a prime

[brazen hemlock]

i learned from 50-250 what a soft photo is like. and it's around 2000 i start going "this doesn't look sharp". 50-250mm at max lenght is soft.

[shut hazel]

sounds really hard to get working properly tho

[scarlet tulip]

wow, that's worse than i expected

[brazen hemlock]

like it's on the 50-250 level

[shut hazel]

how do yall do bird photos with a prime

like an 800mm prime

doesnt it get annoying whent he bird is too closee

i think a 400 2.8 paired with teleconverters migh be a good option for birbs

[brazen hemlock]

i haven't birded with a prime yet, so i'm not sure. i heard it's an adjustment and it takes a couple of weeks to really get used to it.