Mon'keigh yes but never mammal
#40k-lore-chat
final spruce
green sedge
I think they do in Dawn of War.
barren tapir
Gaunt's ghost are an amazing series
green sedge
And in a couple books.
So like yeah that's a thing they've been known to day.
So uh... I guess they probably lay eggs.
Because it sure looks like they lactate.
final spruce
Or simply its because they see others as unevolved beasts
barren tapir
1: Eldar are sexually dimorphic, with females having pronounced breast tissue.
Is this a joke or there are sources that confirm this?
green sedge
The models have tits, Silver.
barren tapir
Ok, it was a joke
green sedge
No dude, there are male and female eldar and the females have pronounced breasts. That's just a thing that's true.
final spruce
I mean you can clearly see it on deldars
ripe gyro
eldar mommy milkers 👀
storm jungle
I still wish xenology was canon so we could still have eldar crapping crystals
storm jungle
Dont say "hotdog" in a topic about eldar, it reminds me of a comment my boyfriend made about them lol
green sedge
Yeah so. Like. They've got the classic milk producing glands in the expected location, we can be reasonably certain that they lactate. And if a mammal is something that gives live birth and lactates, and they claim not to be mammals, then they must not give live birth.
So... eggs.
ripe gyro
hotdog doesn't wanna go back
green sedge
Eggdar.
storm jungle
DarEgg.
green sedge
Eldeggs.
green sedge
Eggstodes. Wait I'm off track here.
ripe gyro
Eggperium of Man
final spruce
crisp heath
maybe theyre somethin else entieely
that cannot be classified as mammal
or bird
or any other animal type thingy we have
thick shadow
Egg-Eggmperor of Eggkind
vagrant osprey
Again: The only requirements for the 'mammal' designation are lactation and live birth.
Pick one for them to not do :V
gray trellis
isn't hair a requirement too?
vagrant osprey
Nope!
green sedge
Nope.
gray trellis
i thought it was
green sedge
You were incorrect.
vagrant osprey
green sedge
Ha
vagrant osprey
Some cats are lizards I guess? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gray trellis
look at the tail
green sedge
No seriously the only taxonomic requirements for inclusion in mammals is that the creature gives live birth and feeds its young through lactation.
gray trellis
yea, you are right, now with the dolphin and whale example, its true that you need milk and give birth to be a mammal
green sedge
Like that part wasn't in question. And Eldar claim they're not mammals. So they must not do one or both of those things, and they obviously do produce milk, because the sculpts make that obvious, so... they have to lay eggs, essentially.
gray trellis
hmm, maybe they are mammals that drop eggs, like the platypus
crisp heath
purely aesthetic boobies
like the snakes in xcom
they dont lactate
its where they store psychic power
male eldar store it in the bum
vagrant osprey
In xcom those are venom sacks.
crisp heath
;3c
vagrant osprey
And they lay eggs.
green sedge
If you think about it, though, it makes sense that they're egg layers, because that's a way faster reproduction strategy and the Eldar bred fast.
green sedge
Plus their makers were egg layers.
final spruce
Aktually there si a reason for boobies
green sedge
The Old Ones were toads.
vagrant osprey
@gray trellis The platypus is a monotreme, not a mammal. People keep making that mistake.
vagrant osprey
So, you're saying female Eldar have more warp power?
green sedge
If they were warp reservoirs then they wouldn't all be the same size. Position rejected.
gray trellis
oh wow
final spruce
Well ur wrong den
crisp heath
male eldar have more in butt
green sedge
Nice try.
green sedge
But like that's as intellectually bankrupt as it is incorrect.
crisp heath
reee
green sedge
No hey don't get mad. Just try to not be twelve.
The fact that they're wearing uniformly sized hard plate armor means you cannot be correct.
Plus, toads made them, and toads lay eggs. It would be weirder if they didn't, from their creators' perspectives.
vagrant osprey
I think the Eldar were technically uplifts.
green sedge
You're probably right but swapping the word creator to benefactor doesn't change my statement.
vagrant osprey
The Old Ones did a LOT of uplifting back in the day.
green sedge
Irresponsibly, one might say.
vagrant osprey
Nah, I just like the idea that the Eldar started as demi-sentient livestock :V
green sedge
... creepy.
vast frigate
they were
vagrant osprey
C'mon, with the egos they have it's just delicious to have them be... I guess the species equivalent of a trust fund baby?
vast frigate
the old ones guided them to the new tech and the bone singing
after that they retreated to fight the war in heaven and uplifting other species
green sedge
Yeah alien trust fund babies.
Got everything handed to them.
Look down on everyone.
It does fit.
vast frigate
The reason theyre so pompous is cause they were actively raised by the ''Shadow Gods''
the Old ones came back three times to them
vagrant osprey
Shitting on humans for being a self-made trainwreck, instead of having been given everything by their parents and then promptly wrecking it :V
vast frigate
once to uplift them after seeding them
Once to check in on them
and once to take them to the war in heavens
green sedge
So they seriously were protected and cared for by a higher power to rise to the status they were needed at.
Maybe they're plants.
green sedge
Egg laying plants.
Egg laying milky plants.
With hair.
Man I sure wouldn't wanna eat one.
:/
green sedge
No, they've got tits. Fish don't.
vagrant osprey
If they were like fish then Thronebutt wouldn't have spent like 15,000 years whoring it up with the Eldar.
green sedge
Yeah that too.
vagrant osprey
Oh, I was talking about external fertilization
odd sparrow
Take human, make spooky fae mystical, give pointy ears and make them slender and pretty
Congrats u have the eldar
green sedge
Yeah except elves are mammals.
vagrant osprey
Hey, they use "Mammal" as an insult.
green sedge
Eldar aren't mammals.
vagrant osprey
We're just figuring things out from there :V
green sedge
So they can't be that much like elves
vast frigate
i can just uh
but in on the mammal poijnt
they got tiddies
but they dont live birth iirc?
odd sparrow
I'm p sure eldar did have a thing in the uh
green sedge
Yeah that's exactly what we've been led to conclude.
odd sparrow
Ur a book
vagrant osprey
Wasn't that decanonized?
vast frigate
its not
final spruce
It was decanonized yes
green sedge
Agree red sus
vast frigate
There is solid canon and anything that doesnt fall within that part is speculative or outright wrong
odd sparrow
Meh can agree to disagree
vast frigate
its just that GW keeps much of the lore purposely vague to be able to go any route
an example is cawl
Innovation isnt banned
but it is seen as bad
the higher your rank, the more you can get away with
final spruce
Like in real life
vast frigate
a guardsman field kitting his lasgun to have higher output with a better lens isnt frowned upon
in fact it might score him a trip to mars
odd sparrow
40k fluff is a convoluted mess that consistently contradicts itself. Imo the better approach to it is the whole everything canon, not everything true, make ur own headcanon vibe
gilded pawn
The Inquisition would like to say that Xenobiology is all ||NONE OF YOUR HERETIC BUSINESS!!!|| So curb your curiosity and please report to the local Arbites for processing.
vast frigate
remember that 40k is also
well
since the 80's
it started with Rogue trader, space DND over the top]
odd sparrow
But that does v much anger the ubernerds who insist there must be a stringent canon
green sedge
Right but on the Eldar front, the Eldar say themselves in multiple places that they're not mammals. If they're not mammals, and they've got tits, then they are by necessity egg layers. That's effectively what they're asserting themselves in multiple different sources. This isn't about what's canon, it's about what's consistent.
vast frigate
There is solid canon that strings up the basis
green sedge
Hence eggs.
gilded pawn
40k canon is ||warp fuckery|| nuff said
sinful leaf
🥚🥚🥚🥚 intensifies
odd sparrow
They're aliens, they don't have to adhere to terrestrial clades of animals
vast frigate
Tau arent communists, theyre expnansionist cast system ecologists and peacebearers
The imperium isnt a full hellhole and not blessing your vox bearer doesnt get your servitord
The eldar are pompous but willing to work together, and theyre not ''Sexy xenos ladies''
Warp travel doesnt ALWAYS END BAD and is often uneventfull as warp shields and void shields are very much maintained heavily
Etc...
etc..
But thats framework
atomic pelican
Tau 'Caste' system is kind of a misnomer because GW just thought "asia cool" and used the name
vast frigate
within the framework... well...
atomic pelican
tau castes are more like side-species
vast frigate
eh the tau are a clear inside to get weebs in
sinful leaf
They're aliens, they don't have to adhere to terrestrial clades of animals
Either they lay eggs, have something even MORE esoteric for birth, or they're WOEFULLY WOEFULLY but consistently misunderstanding what the term mammal means
green sedge
Warp travel has something like a 3% casualty rate that's a pretty extremely bad good end.
vast frigate
because eastern culture draws to very many people
like hell
the tau have rations which are self heating noodles
and.. gundams
green sedge
Yeah tau are literally space Asia it's pretty transparent.
sinful leaf
You can get warp disasters even if your void sheilds and gellar fields are in tip top condition.
storm jungle
I came back after like 30 minutes
gilded pawn
they have cloaca?
storm jungle
STOP TLAKING ABOUT EGGS
vast frigate
Yep you definitely can, Fractal
green sedge
Do I have to?
vast frigate
but that depends on what warptide youre traveling in
gilded pawn
mmmmm the incredible, edible, egg!
vast frigate
<sorry if my english leaves some questions, its not my first language>
green sedge
I want a Deldegg omelette.
gilded pawn
with some grox bacon?
green sedge
Y e s
storm jungle
@odd sparrow 40k fluff is a convoluted mess that consistently contradicts itself. Imo the better approach to it is the whole everything canon, not everything true, make ur own headcanon vibe
Also this statement i fully agree with
theres nothing more annoying than one guy going
atomic pelican
Just believe what you like the most
green sedge
I now hunger. >:[
storm jungle
ACTUALLY THIS OLD AS HELL HORUS HERESY BOOK SAYS
atomic pelican
Or whateve rmakes you happiest with your faction
Whatever makes your toy soldier game happy
:p
odd sparrow
Yee
vast frigate
what you can go out of
gilded pawn
"Don't let the Truth get in the way of a good story!"
vast frigate
as said by a GW guy during a stream
''Make sure that what you hope is 'canon' isnt changed in our latest books, Refer to friends, check the internet. We change things to make more sense since the first codex and we hope to keep doing so.''
odd sparrow
Most universes written by like, more than a couple of close knit authors run into this same problem
storm jungle
Because some guy kept insisting what i did was gross apparently
odd sparrow
Mood
gray trellis
@storm jungle yo wtf
vast frigate
theres lore of Sisters having partners
gilded pawn
||Rule 34|| strikes again
vast frigate
yeha
odd sparrow
Gonna crush on custodes
atomic pelican
well 'love' maybe a bit far but dfgunfg
odd sparrow
Tall boys~
storm jungle
AYAYAYAYAAAY
vast frigate
Eyes of the Emperor?
green sedge
What the Hell would lead you to believe the Sisters are celibate? They have a whole fucking militant order, of course they're gonna fuck.
vast frigate
The guys who leave custodial duty?
gilded pawn
Preservation of the species!
vast frigate
Anywho, theres a set of custodes called the Eyes of the emperor i believe?
odd sparrow
Probs cus of the whole nun vibe they have going on
vast frigate
theyre the ones who leave duty once they grow too far into retirement
be that being 0.001 seconds too slow etc
all to their own judgement
Theres mentions of them having started partnerships
to keep it... clean of words
green sedge
Pssh yeah the "nun" vibe where they're a bunch of hard core rock bodied killing machines of an ancient warrior sisterhood? Very nun. Obviously.
storm jungle
👀
vast frigate
i mean it really depends
a custodian can grasp a fly from the air without damaging it
im sure he can be gentle
gilded pawn
Praise the Emperor and pass the ammunition!
storm jungle
green sedge
Plus they definitely don't lay eggs.
vast frigate
Just be happy Szarek doesnt come for you
green sedge
Like the Eldar do.
storm jungle
NOT THE EGGS
gilded pawn
Eggs-elent
green sedge
I mean, there are chapters who will literally kill you for trying to look under their helmets, even if you're a fucking apothecary, so...
vast frigate
For those who are wondering WTF im on about
The old marine models, the metal ones, bought in metal packs of 4, had 1 random female in them
but they were very unpopular
people often went back to the stores to exchange them for other models
green sedge
Seriously there are multiple chapters which could plausibly be female without anyone noticing.
vast frigate
so GW stopped making them
thick shadow
what's going on? I'm kinda scared
vast frigate
Okay so
back when everything was pewter, a semi-soft metal
And sculpting models was... a thing
green sedge
🥚 is what's going on Melee
gilded pawn
yup eggs
thick shadow
gilded pawn
oooh pics!
storm jungle
Look at this fucker
vast frigate
You see my point here
green sedge
:|
storm jungle
going in deep
thick shadow
Absolute boomer
storm jungle
hes ready to wrench some shit
gilded pawn
Techmarine boomer
atomic pelican
Plumber marine
vast frigate
This is the same style that faces were modelled in
so..
female marines had uh, faces
green sedge
Look at all those exposed hoses. Is that... Mk. 2?
thick shadow
Don't do it
green sedge
WOAH HELL YEAH
vast frigate
These were not very liked
so...
GW did away with them
and with logic
they sold llike ass
green sedge
Gah what is that?
storm jungle
Yeah and that was the end of the female marines
gilded pawn
where is half the armor?
vast frigate
vast frigate
No
thick shadow
Why GW is so bad at making a female?
vast frigate
definitely female marines
Theyre not bad
they dont have the right artists on the right jobs
gilded pawn
Sisters of Battle say otherwise
vast frigate
Look at AOS
vast frigate
their females have been on point since fantasy
atomic pelican
GW isn't bad at making gals the community would just detonate if it happened, with.. that side of the community
storm jungle
can we just put female head on marine models?
green sedge
But yeah that lady with the wolf is, uh, basically what I'd expect from female Astartes.
gilded pawn
that is so 80s cyberpunk
vast frigate
that and... uhm... i mean...
look at the legion numbers
GW originally had 20 legions
Guess what the emperors plan was?
storm jungle
Oh yeah even Malcador jokes about having had female primarchs but they were scrapped
vast frigate
In the custodes limited edition codex there is a small passage with malcador and the emperor
And the emperor slaps him for mentioning female primarchs
green sedge
Wait. Are you saying that the reason that the lore makes no sense is that they botched a model line!?
vast frigate
saying ''You know the results''
atomic pelican
GW could say "Cawl did it" and have fem marines tomorrow
archwarhammer on suicidewatch
storm jungle
^
vast frigate
Arch is a person
storm jungle
GW doesnt care about its playerbase's opinions
vast frigate
who i used to uh
storm jungle
if femarines sold well
vast frigate
watch
storm jungle
they'd change lore in a second
atomic pelican
Tru
vast frigate
i mean, the lost 2 legions have some scraps online
gilded pawn
$$$ is what matters
vast frigate
and some of those scraps are female basing
thick shadow
Bazbaros or something. That artist making fine female Astarteses
thick shadow
The drawing style is cartoon tho
storm jungle
yeah its not that good
green sedge
Ok so like... if we can convince them we'd buy them if they fucking looked like proper fucking Astartes, they'd fix the lore? Because that sounds pretty solid as far as plans go!
atomic pelican
I think they would sell at this point, GW seems to be making a actual effort to excise more problematic parts of the community/lore. Esp with that latest announcement and such
vast frigate
The issue is that female marines wouldnt look that female if we took 40k lore into account
atomic pelican
Fanbase isn't the same as it was 20 years ago
storm jungle
Eh they would Ely
green sedge
Well yeah, and?
vast frigate
have you seen a bodybuilding woman?
storm jungle
I have, not all of them look that ugly
vast frigate
My father used to do bodybuilding, steroid aided
vast frigate
space marines are steroided steroids
green sedge
I mean there's some difference in phisique, but I imagine they'd wear the same power armor, is what I mean.
vast frigate
If you take the lore route, which, people ''want'' and dont want at the same time
thick shadow
Let us have a "Fantasies"
vast frigate
the armor wouldnt be changed
green sedge
Because of all the steroids mostly.
vast frigate
well
green sedge
Yeah.
vast frigate
no yeah, the armor wouldnt be changed, there wouldnt be any different markings
and... only without helmet yourd see it
storm jungle
I dont think anyone wants an armor change
vast frigate
the ''boob plate''
storm jungle
and the cool aspect would be that you couldnt tell whos under that helmet
green sedge
Straight up if they did that I would start buying models tomorrow.
thick shadow
Tag: Muscled_Girl or something
gilded pawn
like Kreig Guardsmen
vast frigate
old knight armor for example, already accounted for chest space
so females could wear it
The only reason the sororitas have boobplate is for the lore
thick shadow
You may find some good examples
vast frigate
''No MEN at arms''
thick shadow
Or eye of terror
green sedge
So awesome.
gilded pawn
equal armor opportunity
vast frigate
storm jungle
vast frigate
The Valkyrians
thick shadow
but astartes saiba...
storm jungle
They'd be much better without boobplate
green sedge
All they'd have to do is change some of the heads and that would be literally all it took.
green sedge
Yeah, see? Fits fine.
gilded pawn
that works perfectly for slaying xenos
storm jungle
Eh again, i dont think it matters
vast frigate
it doesnt
storm jungle
slightly flat muscular boobs or not
vast frigate
but i hate the basic idea people have
''Oh so theyre just super buff women!''
no, theyre gonna be turbo ripped
But, you wont see it
storm jungle
God not that chart
vast frigate
astartes are absolute CHONKS
storm jungle
its so wrong
vast frigate
i know but it gets the idea across
green sedge
That armor cannot move in that configuration.
vast frigate
let me grab the good one
thick shadow
The real purpose of storcast is kit bashing to Astartes
vast frigate
there is 1
storm jungle
Yeah the most basic ones you can get are official ones
vast frigate
storm jungle
where they are just big muscular dudes but bigger
green sedge
Ok that's a good one.
vast frigate
This is the only anatomical good one i know of
cerulean wagon
WHO STOLE DORNS KNEES
green sedge
But the ones where they try to overlap it on the armor are all garbage because they literally can't fit.
vast frigate
they dont anatomize the armor well
green sedge
The armor's proportions are straight up incorrect to human shapes.
storm jungle
never yeah
thick shadow
Finally, a Guliman that I can truly serve
cerulean wagon
vast frigate
they forget that the power armor has 3 layers
cerulean wagon
which one of you was it
vast frigate
Undersuit, carapace, plate
gilded pawn
Astartes fan film seems to have thinned the armor and used less plates in the 3D models. I liked his take on the power armor
thick shadow
Undersuit is like Crisis's nanosuit, right?
green sedge
Yeah Astartes was good.
storm jungle
Yeah because you can tell whoever designed marine armor didnt put much thought into how it would look moving
gilded pawn
undersuit was similar but was also like plugsuit to connect to the armor's sensors
storm jungle
Always like grayskull's stuff
vast frigate
the body gets genetic codes and information to prepare areas for the ports
gilded pawn
those ports are part of the Black Carapace i think
vast frigate
then the undersuit slots into those ports
and then the armor goes over
The undersuit is the carapace
green sedge
Oh that's a good one.
vast frigate
A form of it
humans cant handle the nerve plugs
the suit the sisters wear just senses their motion better
storm jungle
yeah the repentia have ports so that makes sense
green sedge
They don't have a Black Carapace. They wear a carapace layer that's part hard shell part armor interface, correct?
vast frigate
many inquisitors with power armor have it as well
gilded pawn
so the sisters don't get the sensor feedback that Astartes do
vast frigate
basically
thick shadow
Red carapace...
green sedge
Yeah. It's why their armor doesn't make them faster.
vast frigate
i dont know what its actually called
green sedge
It's just probably called an undersuit to be honest.
vast frigate
so, signal lag is very simply the time from signal sender to receiver
yeah but to call it a carapace triggers every nerd so people wanted a distinction
green sedge
Ok fair.
cerulean wagon
ye anyone wearing power armour requires a way to input it
vast frigate
The space marines dont have the signal lag because their body is connected to the signal sender
vast frigate
instead of it going Sender>receiver>Sender>Receiver
it goes Sender>Receiver
the sobs wear the undersuit that gives them Sender>receiverSender>Receiver
thick shadow
So it's like Gaming monitors Vs Just a Monitor
vast frigate
its like a Harddrive VS a Solid State Drive
cerulean wagon
ye
vast frigate
the transfer is many times faster
green sedge
No it's like driving a car vs driving a remote control car. One you can feel. One you have to see and interact with and react to.
vast frigate
actually
thick shadow
That much? Impresive
vast frigate
you know the gossip game?
Tell something to someone
they tell it to another
etc
vast frigate
So, this shit gets distorted over time, its why we want fast connections
green sedge
The game is also called telephone.
vast frigate
ah
yeah
so the marines just directly tell the armor what to do because they have a direct link
green sedge
But yeah a Sister has to play Telephone with her armor while Astartes are part of the armor system.
vast frigate
The sisters have 1 repeater inbetween
yep
this also goes for anyone that isnt an astartes or heavily modded human
i prefer likening astartes to the movement you see Jaegers do in Pacific rim
theyre slow to start on the first move, but dont underestimate the buildup
thick shadow
1ms Vs 5ms. Or the gap is even more?
green sedge
The gap for a human is more. Probably closer to 15ms at best
thick shadow
Slow
green sedge
For astartes the gap is irrelevant.
vast frigate
euhh
cerulean wagon
although they still have to adjust to the armours weight n stuff
vast frigate
i believe astartes have a near zero lag
thick shadow
Maybe no delay like crt monitors does
cerulean wagon
termis have a lot of momentum issues
vast frigate
termis are engineering armoir
green sedge
The armor supports its own weight actually
vast frigate
and i still love that
vast frigate
yeah
thick shadow
They just too chonk
green sedge
Terminators are too thicc to give a fuck though.
vast frigate
well you gotta remember, terminator armor is meant to be worn next to plasma cores
green sedge
Yeah
cerulean wagon
have you ever run while carrying like 100 kg
verbal ember
Don’t forget about the Black Carapace.
vast frigate
it was civilian armor
cerulean wagon
and then tried to come to a stop
final spruce
And since the armor is directly connected to the nervous system of the marine, very little lag
vast frigate
near 0
green sedge
Khorne we've been talking about the Black Carapace this whole time
vast frigate
not completely 0
green sedge
Near 0 though
final spruce
Sisters have that issue to a small extend
vast frigate
One of the iron warrior books i read a while back mentions how a marine feels the cold of his armor for a split second before it moves with him
final spruce
And sometimes even jave a hard time adjusting to the strenght
green sedge
I like how the few Astartes that appear in Gaunt's Ghosts are portrayed as moving from the humans' perspectives. Alarmingly fluid for all that bulk.
verbal ember
Ok then if you say so
green sedge
Like they're huge and some of the soldiers are just like terrified when one just is suddenly right there and lifts a dude off of the ground by his face.
vast frigate
As a meme says it
green sedge
Nnoooo they do fucking not.
final spruce
You mean transhuman dread ?
vast frigate
Eldar are superior to humans, but they fear astartes.
You would too, if a gorilla armed with a shotgun bursts into your living room, armored like a tank.
and yeah no
final spruce
I think they are smaller even with armor on
vast frigate
astartes have super human speed
green sedge
No like... In armor, your motions are generally somewhat restricted. But they move like someone whose movement is not restricted. In armor.
cerulean wagon
^
vast frigate
because its not
final spruce
Elyks stealing from reddit
green sedge
It is alien to see.
vast frigate
memes arent just on reddit edd boy
green sedge
They do not move like humans move.
vast frigate
They move way, way faster
green sedge
^
verbal ember
Let me try to find a snippet from a book for you all
green sedge
Don't strain yourself on our account.
storm jungle
As long as we arent gonna go with the stupid lore thing of "they move in blurs" im all good
green sedge
Eww no.
vast frigate
Console bank = monitor screen + backside of table etc
cerulean wagon
okay but thats a chaos book, and the last chaos book i read said they caught a dude who fell 8 stories by the scruff of his neck
vast frigate
they can be like blurs, but theyre not blurry, theyre just fucking fast
final spruce
Remember, the human eye cant see beyond 24 fps
vast frigate
''Lore''
cerulean wagon
also zherlum thats not true lmao
atomic pelican
It's hard to figure in some literature because alot of 40k lit has bolterporn where spesh mareens can jumpy 60 meters and 1v1 a hivefleet
final spruce
Thats a meme
green sedge
Zherlum if that was true we wouldn't have games at 60fps+
atomic pelican
jump*
vast frigate
Oh
green sedge
Oh right
vast frigate
let me grab the good one
cerulean wagon
you gonna get the salamander one
vast frigate
''Microsecond warnings provided by his superhuman senses''
cerulean wagon
where he jumps into orbit
vast frigate
So
cerulean wagon
and cuts a ship in half?
vast frigate
we can conclude that astartes can atleast respond in a form of 0.01
or atleast notice
green sedge
Which is really solid.
final spruce
Sphess mrhen broken pls nerf
green sedge
Like that's pretty fucking fast.
atomic pelican
plews nerf gw
vast frigate
Thats just their reaction speed
final spruce
I wish
atomic pelican
The funniest part is when you get into contradictions of lore, esp when you see Xeno centered books.
vast frigate
their actual movement is within the second
green sedge
It is a fast reaction speed.
final spruce
They are horrible to deal with on tabletop
green sedge
Is what I mean.
atomic pelican
Ex: Shadowsun beaning a chapter master
verbal ember
vast frigate
yeah but the issue is between writers tbf
verbal ember
Was easier than expected.
cerulean wagon
ye thats fast but thats what im trying to say, they have snappy reactions, something akin to high tier fps play, except they are pulling those reactions off while wearing like ^500kg armour
atomic pelican
@final spruce I'm waiting for the updated xenos codexs 👀
vast frigate
that is a bonus with being a super ape
final spruce
Same
atomic pelican
I hope 40k tabletop starts to get more like AoS tbh. Love the rules for AoS, much more creative faction stuff
Like
LoN being able to put down gravesites
It's greato
cerulean wagon
its not that the movement is super ott, its just that its fast despite its bulk
vagrant osprey
Ok, so, look, the 'fast' nerve fiber in a human body can transmit signals at 150mph.
final spruce
Sadly tis not the chat for this kind of discussion
atomic pelican
yee
green sedge
Ooooh science time
vagrant osprey
The point of a black carapace is to skip slow-ass human nerves and feed the suit information directly from the CNS.
vagrant osprey
I'm getting to the plugs.
verbal ember
Hence the plugs.
vast frigate
hence the reason the body widens certain canals and bones so the plugs can be placed
its all gene coded and lore blabber
vagrant osprey
But all power armor is based on DAoT tech, which was built to expect either a human or an AI-mediated link.
The plugs aren't there to pull information from the person. They're to move information to where the armor needs it to be.
green sedge
Mk 10 is only loosely DAoT but your point stands.
vagrant osprey
The plugs don't connect to the tissue underneath them. They connect to the CNS
green sedge
And a ton of traitor seeded Primaris
vast frigate
That too
vagrant osprey
Hence Astartes in armor can have reaction times significantly better than a baseline human, because they
're skipping almost 30ms of latency
vast frigate
yeah we discussed that already
green sedge
Woah 30ms?
green sedge
That's twice what I thought it was.
green sedge
Hence they move as a free human.
green sedge
The ships?
green sedge
Oh, yeah.
vagrant osprey
Lets see... The fastest myelinated fiber tops out at 80m/s
green sedge
Man I shot one of those down in a 30k game. Boy were they pissed.
storm jungle
I like how we go into more detail than GW writers probably ever did for marine armor lol
other than "it stronk against pew pews"
vagrant osprey
Humans are about 1.65m tall (Astartes are taller, but lets ignore that)
vast frigate
nah GW is pretty sharp on their lore detail
green sedge
Some of the time.
storm jungle
Honestly thats the thing, most lore stuff people get are from codices
and even when you get detailed lore in books
vast frigate
its what my friends told me when i got into the game
storm jungle
You better pray they are mentioned on other materials or they are just glossed over
vast frigate
''read the books of the factions, not the inadequite codices''
storm jungle
Yeah sadly since codexes are really hammed up
vast frigate
so now i own an official hardback TITAN comic
vagrant osprey
So for a human it takes a minimum of 21ms for signals to move from the brain to the foot.
storm jungle
I just use astartes as the reference material
that short does a good job of showing how fast marines are without it looking silly
green sedge
So minimum lag on walking is 21ms each footstep?
vagrant osprey
Yes.
vagrant osprey
Twice that if you're responding to feedback.
vast frigate
i own a hardback copy of this
amazing book
goes into great detail
<of titan inner working etcetera>
green sedge
So 42ms/step if you're not sure of your footing or the terrain, yeah?
vagrant osprey
Yes.
In contrast, an Astartes in armor has 0 delay between their brain and their extremities.
vagrant osprey
Because that's being conducted through the Black Carapace instead of their nervous system.
green sedge
Which is near lightspeed I presume? Because cables?
vagrant osprey
Yep.
vast frigate
The emperor made sure the astartes have nearly no stop to what their signals induce
it is @cerulean wagon its 3 stories following the titan
cerulean wagon
neat
final spruce
Imagine Custodes's reaction time
vast frigate
Custodes are beyond astartes
storm jungle
Custodes are literally eldar movement wise but CHONKY
final spruce
Thats my point
vast frigate
They stop active duty if they drop a 0.001 second in their reaction speed
green sedge
We don't have to imagine it, we actually know basically exactly what their reaction times are like because all of Master of Mankind follows them directly.
vagrant osprey
If they're wearing their throne-damned helmet, then Astartes can skip the delay on sensory input, since that can feet into the Black Carapace directly.
final spruce
The books says numerous time space marines feel dwarfed next to them
green sedge
They never wear their helmets.
final spruce
This one lacks big e at the end
vast frigate
Custodian is red loin cloth
vagrant osprey
An Astartes in their helmet has microwave-scan telemetry out to 800 meters.
vast frigate
well big E is subject to the persons vision so
Only clappadore the sigilite knows his true look
final spruce
It also doesnt have Valdor I believe his name is ?
vast frigate
and the primarchs even differ on what they perceive him as
valdor is just a custodian
a very good one
but just a custodian
final spruce
The Custodes that has a level similar to a primarch ?
vagrant osprey
In Astartes one of the marines lands a perfect shot on a weapons emplacement through a cloud of smoke. He can do that because he is wearing his fucking helmet.
vast frigate
^
final spruce
Since even he dwarf his comrade custodes in both size and skill
storm jungle
the best part is how also when his helm gets busted from the psychic hold the psyker has on him you see all the servos and optics
green sedge
Yeah you can see that's not just a lense over his eye.
It's actually an auspex system.
storm jungle
owo
final spruce
Makes sense
vast frigate
that was his eye
storm jungle
SHIET
green sedge
Spooky.
final spruce
They are both servants of Big E and the Omnissiah
green sedge
Which is the Void Dragon.
final spruce
A shard
Also its funny how the techmarine just by existing, breaks the credo of the Mechanicum
green sedge
"A shard", he says, as though the C'Tan aren't fundamentally holographic in nature so that's just as bad as the whole thing it's just smaller. :|
vast frigate
How come, Zherlum
final spruce
Simple
The Mechanicus wants to achieve immortality throught the use of technology and be one with the machine
Techmarines, with their immortal fleshy Sm bits already have the immortality part
Because lobster dna
vast frigate
Not immortal, but nearly
green sedge
Thank you @cerulean wagon I was gonna
vast frigate
ah yes
primal tide
techmarines dont break the credo because they are already machines
killing machines
cerulean wagon
lol
vast frigate
the game with the best soundtrack
final spruce
I have the one but as a meme with the guy with a milk jug on his face
cerulean wagon
ngl i think there are games with better OSTs, but its definetly a banger
its a hidden gem of a game
storm jungle
Excuse me
final spruce
Its spot on what youd expect from the Mechanicus
cerulean wagon
yes
storm jungle
Too bad im gonna post it anyway because its epic
green sedge
Please do
cerulean wagon
lol
storm jungle
Nothing better than invading an egyptian old folk's home while this blasts in the background
cerulean wagon
like the sound track fits for the game so goooood
cerulean wagon
i think thats semi consistent across 40k games tho is the music
final spruce
Especially if its a Primaris Murine
final spruce
Its was servisable
green sedge
Serviceable is not memorable.
final spruce
But Mechanicus is truly a musical masterpiece
green sedge
It super fucking is.
final spruce
I never said Dow music was memorable
storm jungle
also ill disagree
green sedge
Organ drops into chanting.
vast frigate
didnt play dawn of war much but it got a baller track
storm jungle
What did you just say
vagrant osprey
And the crashes.
green sedge
No, the voice lines were amazing.
storm jungle
Have you even played Dark Crusade or Winter Assault
green sedge
METAL BAWKSES! WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOOM!!!
final spruce
Dow 2 had a better soundtrack
storm jungle
Yeah then thats not a great opinion when your impression is the first game
green sedge
A challenge worthy of my skills!
storm jungle
the DLC improve on it a lot
cerulean wagon
um excuse me
storm jungle
SHATTER THEIR SKYYYYYYYY
green sedge
Ok Dark Crusade's was better.
green sedge
"Yes, most benificent one?"
green sedge
Also ENEMIES! WE NEED ENEMIES!
vast frigate
listen man
cerulean wagon
I find myself quoting IG or Eldar when i play other games
green sedge
Or the three different versions of "I feel the Warp overtaking me! It is a good pain!" as you go up unit tiers.
vast frigate
This is the only song orks sing
final spruce
WITNESS YOUR DOOM
storm jungle
Yeah like no offense Pseu but the only forgettable DoW is Dawn of War 3
cerulean wagon
S H A T T E R T H E I R S K Y
green sedge
Eugh, 3.
final spruce
Never played DoW 3
vast frigate
same
storm jungle
Pleaes dont
cerulean wagon
dont
green sedge
Do not.
final spruce
For obvious reasons
vast frigate
Remember
atomic pelican
DoW 3 for only 3 factions
storm jungle
the game literally got abandoned by the devs because "it didnt meet expectations"
goddamn assholes
vast frigate
''We wanted to capture the true feeling of Moba's and strategy base building games together!''
yteah but we didnt want that
green sedge
Nobody wanted that.
final spruce
Aka we ignored the community and now we will abandon the dow franchise fir 10 years
vast frigate
it works for the ancient games because thats the root of all mobas and strategy base builders
green sedge
MOBAs were just popular so they did it anyways because they saw Riot printing money and wanted their pie.
final spruce
Exactly they wanted money
green sedge
Frozen Throne technically
vast frigate
but mobas stem back even further
They came out as a mod for a game i cant recall, where you upgraded one of six soldiers
cerulean wagon
@storm jungle did you know they were such dicks about it sega dropped them as a publisher
storm jungle
LOL
green sedge
Woah really?
cerulean wagon
they got picked up by MS to make AoE 4
vast frigate
From that sprung 2 game types, mobas and strategic base builders
green sedge
I hope it's an RTS. :|
storm jungle
aaaaaa
vast frigate
It sank too hard for GW to take up another chance
final spruce
I mean, they did act in a harsh way towards the community
cerulean wagon
theoretically Sega now own the license to DoW so it could happen
and given how well Total warhammer has done them
vast frigate
Tho i did... recently, GW has been sending out licenses again
storm jungle
Bruh total warhammer is a giant
vast frigate
and a few of them include Video games ''Any genre''
cerulean wagon
Its part of their new publishing drive Elyksis
green sedge
Watch there be a looter shooter and it tanks.
cerulean wagon
it started with AoS
final spruce
We could either have a big game or one of those small cash grzb ones
vast frigate
I know yeah
cerulean wagon
then this year was the start of audiobooks n tv series
storm jungle
oh my god
vast frigate
also remember, they payed goddamn celebs to paint some models
green sedge
Oh is that TV series actually happening?
vast frigate
yeah
cerulean wagon
There are 3 confirmed Clocks
green sedge
Why Eisenhorn and not Cain?
cerulean wagon
one is live action
vast frigate
TYheres gonna be an eisenhorn TV show
vagrant osprey
Why isn't it Gaunt's Ghosts?
final spruce
Becaudr Jurgen would have stolen the show
green sedge
Cain is objectively a better way to get people into the universe...
cerulean wagon
eisenhorn has been around for ages and its a good look into a whole bunch of things, including the civilian side of life
since its done from an inquisitors point of view
vagrant osprey
Spoilers: Because Gaunt's Ghosts always get fucked over :kappa:
cerulean wagon
Cain is a better book setting, Eisenhorn is a more familiar TV setting
it basically amounts to a dark sci fi murder mystery
so it won't be as hard for people to adjust
green sedge
I guess. Maybe they didn't think there was a market for military comedy these days.
storm jungle
I good 40k show could be something really similiar to mandalorian ngl
cerulean wagon
hasn't been a succesful one since dads army
well thats the thing dilara they have a whole bunch of other shit planned
storm jungle
but you cant make something like that when mando is currently so popular
yep
and the goddamn prop and CGI department would die
green sedge
I haven't been watching that. It's popular, but is it actually any good or is it just more weird Disney trash?
cerulean wagon
and outside of the "kids" show theres atleast 2 animated ones
vast frigate
The Mando is really good
storm jungle
@green sedge Wont say its spectacular but its fun as hell
cerulean wagon
we have hammer and bolter (which is like love death and robots style anthology)
vast frigate
Clonewars and Rebels was great as well, but uh.... Whatever resistance is isnt acceptable
storm jungle
Offft Love death and robots huh
cerulean wagon
ye the idea is hammer and bolter will be a mix of stories
storm jungle
that already had a 40k short
cerulean wagon
the first will follow a callixus assassin
storm jungle
green sedge
Oh joy.
storm jungle
oh my god no
GW literally uses kevin macleod music
the guys even used vermintide 2's theme for a genestealer cult trailer
green sedge
Wait it does?
storm jungle
Yeah no joke they actually do both those things
vast frigate
its meant to be acceptable by the masses
storm jungle
^
vast frigate
the music
green sedge
:| intensifies
cerulean wagon
and heres the other series we are getting confirmed
vast frigate
Dont be surprised if you hear pop music in a warhammer video
cerulean wagon
vast frigate
its meant to be marketable
cerulean wagon
which is brought to us by the guy who made hellsreach
green sedge
So the reason all their production shit looks jank as fuck is because they're cheap bastards, not because they're wildly incompetent?
storm jungle
Eh a mix of both
green sedge
Oh.