its fate is to continue to fall off over and over again
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
really mood
final spruce
Techmarines, they are Tech-Priets but also Space marines
storm jungle
Marines Who Tech
final spruce
So their whole existence litteraly destroys the credo of the Omnissiah
Since their whole thing is that flesh eventually wether
But not when you're a SM
primal tide
thank
exotic chasm
Tech Priests are wicked cool
crisp heath
The orks are probably one of the most relatable factions in the setting
final spruce
I don't really agree
If you read the novels, they are pretty alien
More then eldars
storm jungle
They're pretty relatable i agree
i too sometimes want to hang out with my friends and crash a giant asteroid to a planet
crisp heath
who doesn't
cerulean wagon
i also want to feast upon human flesh
storm jungle
I keep remembering from total war that orcs apparently eat people
I never knew that before
cerulean wagon
in 40k they keep human slaves
cause like
once they stop working they can just eat them
efficient
storm jungle
I feel like thats one aspect of orks thats never brought up much
I forget the slavery aspect frequently since all they do is smash things most of the time
cerulean wagon
its another thing of people only know the lore side
"ha ha funny green british man"
storm jungle
But people need to acknowledge they really DO brutal shit
cerulean wagon
but a lot of their brutality and the actual terror of them is lost in translation
ive kept the players in my only war campaign spooked by reminding them orks use tactics
and used different clans
mostly blue skulls and snake bitez
storm jungle
Ah thats a smart way to do it
though ork tactics only get so far most of the time aside from horde rushing
minus kommandoz
primal tide
Orks are fucking terrifying
Theyre ridiculous and we find them funny but for a random schmuck to stumble across even a smaller boy is the stuff of nightmares
crisp heath
orks are completely innocent though
they don't do anything out of maliciousness
they're just following their biological programming
which makes them very endearing
it also really depends, pdf regularly deal with minor ork incursions, a farmer with a shottie could prolly take care of a couple wildboys if he's fast and accurate
primal tide
I'm not sure there's no malice, they torture humies for fun sometimes
crisp heath
I'm pretty sure if you shoot ork boys (most of them anyways, and boys specifically, not nobs or anything like that) in the head with a lasgun they generally still die
lasgun shots to kill is a weird way to measure their toughness as well, considering the variability in power levels between different models and settings
primal tide
Yeah, maybe that ork just happened to dunk his head into some vantablack paint instead of the reflective one that morning
crisp heath
armageddon ork hunters also are generally just normal guardsmen with experience fighting orks and they seem to have no problems brawling things out in cqc with them, most of them probably don't have more force than a lasgun or a shotgun when swinging a blade at them
foggy laurel
Woah wait
Belisarius is named after an actual person
I thought GW just invented the name out of whole cloth, that sounded Roman af
storm jungle
Nah GW has a fetish of borrowing roman names
thick shadow
I think lore should be like... simple? Like shows not much of "details".
No exact numbers, etc.
odd sparrow
yeah p much
Root around in the nearest latin textbook u can find and butcher a few words together
congrats u have black library Imperium latin
cerulean wagon
@crisp heath orks arent innocent or free of malice, its the opposite
they are driven by rage and hate as much as they are the love of a good fight
also as a side thing @storm jungle although for the most part orks have the numbers advantage the only clan that uses numbers as their go to is Goffs (gaz's group)
I'm using snakebitez and blue skullz because the former drive warbeasts ahead of themselves and then attack as a 2ndary wave from a different route but only with primitive equipment and the Latter love to loot shit and have a preference for ranged over melee, usualy repositioning to keep shooting over enganging people in melee
ork clans are pretty interesting ngl, their tactics differ vastly
storm jungle
AHHH
Gotcha, i keep forgetting the quirk of ork clanz when all they're showcased for is usually blowing shit up or shooting it until it also explodes
fervent mist
my perception of orks was always that they have fun no matter what
exept when there is no fight
cerulean wagon
Orks have more depth to them than the standard coverage shows
which is.... basically the deal with all 40k
crisp heath
I can see orks getting angry but I have a hard time imagining them hating anybody except those that are perceived as cowardly, but even then you have blood axes who turn that stuff on its head
they're biologically programmed to do the stuff that they do and I don't think they could understand why its wrong to enslave people or kill people, that's just their nature
without the ability to understand the evil of their actions, I don't think that makes them cognizant enough to be malicious
compared to say, Chaos or the Dark Eldar, which have the ability to understand the evils of what they do and who often revel in it
cerulean wagon
i mean
orks know what they do is malicious
they just dont care
they also revel in it
primal tide
You could say all living things are biologi ally programmed to do all the things they do
It's just more obvious with orks
Orks have been seen torturing humans for fun
exotic chasm
Ayyyyyy
crisp heath
Can someone explain me what a Satellite realm is? I found it while Reading abbout commorragh. Sounds Like they have created there own pocketuniverse inside (but seperated from) the Warp, but Not Sure If i got that right.
Also has anyone information abbout how the eldari Managed to "reinstall" a dying suns inside the webway?
storm jungle
@crisp heath I think Big E explains the best in TTS, basically just realm/plains within the webway, something akin to the ones in AoS from what I can see but just more spiky
muted pewter
so it is hard to invade
muted pewter
he said Kaldar Dragor is not enough what about two kaldar drago + sly marbo
storm jungle
It doesnt matter
Vect can just throw a black hole at them and teleport them to the surface of a sun if he wants to. You can kick the dark eldar's ass anywhere else but Commorragh, they're basically untouchable there
final spruce
Kaldor Drago eats sun sooooo
storm jungle
π
muted pewter
i don't know much about grail knight sorry
verbal nest
According to wiki they're basically demigods, their mere presence quakes the bootyholes of his enemies, but we don't see that in Vermintide 2 so idk
storm jungle
Space Marines arent unholy beings
muted pewter
if thats the case then grail knights
verbal nest
Apparently them just being there radiates so much "holy power" it can straight up kill lesser beings
That's what I read anyway
storm jungle
Its important to remember the power levels between 40k and Fantasy are vastly different though
muted pewter
:deleet:
@storm jungle i love this scene so joyfull
storm jungle
Everyone has said this before
you can never be too sure with a demonic posession
I sure as hell would melta that guy if i had one lol
muted pewter
Like, he has to be dead, right
@verbal nest sure i probably die when that space marine touches me
verbal nest
No it's just that I was told demonic possessions make beings far stronger for some weird reason
storm jungle
That was like a second long possession though
muted pewter
because its demonic possession
verbal nest
Demon possession is demonic possession, Dilara
storm jungle
Yes...?
verbal nest
Are you gaslighting the demonic possession community 
Smh
(i should probably sleep, I've been awake far longer than what's healthy)
muted pewter
then sleep
mellow depot
Nah
storm jungle
or the Pegasi Boyz
verbal nest
Bardin ate a Pegasi
barren tapir
Commorragh was also invaded on many occasions by imperial forces
barren tapir
Between a SM and a grail knight SM will win, no doubt
I only remember Vect's coup
Which one? It is not that he did it only one time
storm jungle
He did only one though
literally his rise to ascension
Anything else by him is just a plot as he sits on his dais
That was way before he turned Commorragh into an ultra-darwinistic nightmarescape
barren tapir
Ah, the first... Well there was the one were he let his enemies kill him, only to be reanimated late and kill them, or the one where he give his enemies places where a demoic incursion was bound to happen and then seal those places... Or the one where he capture a salamander starship and put it in the territory of his enemies, then the salamanders launch an attack, take their ship, kill all DE they find and GTFO
storm jungle
So the salamander one is the actual coup
since the royal families of commorragh actually didnt want attention back then and Vect was like "lol ok but no"
all the other ones are just hilarious codex event pages, like him gifting a blackhole to one of his rivals or revealing another rival archon of his daughter was his agent
etc
barren tapir
Also white scar should have attacked it few times IIRC
storm jungle
Yeah that one is really uncovered a lot
especially when Jaghatai literally went into the webway to hunt them down
but aside from that Marines dont bother much with dark eldar like the rest of the imperium unless they do something really shitty
barren tapir
^^ Yeah, too much stuff going around in the imperium and too few marines
cerulean wagon
they are a big issue in a severean dominate
storm jungle
dark eldar are a issue everywhere tbh
like the longest period of a raid they can carry can be 24 hours at best, you just cant do much when they're fast af
barren tapir
Severan dominate aesthetics is amazing... But that may be me, who really like roman inspired stuff
storm jungle
40k really likes its roman stuff
barren tapir
Yeah, the other one roman inspired thing that is widely know is not red
Severan dominate one on the other hand is really well made... I would play one of their trooper in a game of only war just because of that
buoyant crypt
wait did we have a question on whether a grail knight or a sm would win in a fight?
storm jungle
ye
final spruce
likely SM because power armor
final spruce
SM
Sadly, while Grail knights are badass af
They don't have the same strenght or agiltiy as a SM
mellow depot
ye
storm jungle
Tbh half of the bretonnian knights are gits anyway
mellow depot
honestly it's a pretty silly question
final spruce
or jsut tell them the truth about their power and witness them killing themselves
buoyant crypt
naked sm vs grail knight with full armor and mount will probably still win LOL
final spruce
Worst part is that you're right
Space Marine would just have to spit on his face to win
final spruce
Acidic spit
People seem to forget that
One of the DMs in an old Rogue Trader campaign of mine did
storm jungle
I think its why i love it when its forgettable
Like when they DO spit and its acid it gets a good "what the fuck" before you go "oh right"
celest dome
Don't the Grail Knight have a few immunity ? Like one to acid/venom ?
storm jungle
I think theres a difference between a genetic acid that can melt through the hide of aliens in comparison to a bottle of lab acid a wizard will throw at a knight out of desperation
primal tide
its a bummer that one of the more common gene flaws is a nonfunctional betchers gland, cuz i agree it is really cool
tho i guess it would be more commonly mentioned in that case, and less interesting cuz of that
catch 22
barren tapir
Interesting, so a basilisk can be an AA weapon
That make it just a german 88 flak cannon
final spruce
The point of IG tanks is that they are highly reusable
Hell they all use the Chimera chassis
And alot of weapons, like the Hydra cannons, are also used as siege weapons
It really shows you how utilitarian and mass produced are thsoe weapons
crisp heath
guardsmen remind me a lot of the soldiers from quake 2
just, with the resources and tech of the strogg also strewn into their stuff
thick badge
https://38.media.tumblr.com/6b16271969a76f9ae0f7e804404cea80/tumblr_mhcxdrgYrq1qemrd6o3_250.gif
@storm jungle lore aside i loved GoT for this concept. Honor and good will got you gibd. fades out again and let's everyone go back to lore
storm jungle
odd sparrow
Poor GoT
it only needed like the last two or three seasons to be good and it could've not disappeared off the face of the earth. though ideally there would've been more than 8 seasons but bleh >.>
mellow depot
george martin suxx, fite me
celest dome
Well he isn't the best Fantasy Writer (and by far)
mellow depot
i just never saw the big deal with song of ice and fire/etc.
tolkien was the GOAT obviously
christopher paolini did an ok job at first especially for such a young kid at the time but his books had a real bad problem with putting in tons and tons of made up words and making you have to flip back through the glossary constantly
because it was just overloaded
but i'm not a book reader and haven't been for probably ten years
so that's about the extent of my knowledge
celest dome
Paolini really deserved better in term of movie representation Eragon was a sham
celest dome
Haha the movie director only directed one film, Eragon in 2006 and then he didn't do anything else
celest dome
Of the last few year, the author I really liked was Brandon Sanderson, he even finished the Wheel of Time after R. Jordan died
Also J. Butcher with the Dresden file really hooked me back into reading since I had to stop during Trade School
odd sparrow
tbh Tolkien and GoT aren't really comparable. Tolkien's stuff is mostly a fictional mythology with hella languages and shorter isolated stories and stuff
it was his life work, hella fantasy writers kinda attempt to create universes with the same kind of depth as his but it's not really possible
celest dome
Yeah, Terry Pratchet (Diskworld) is also one who managed to create a full universe
odd sparrow
Other writers create a setting for the story they want to tell, Tolkien created the setting first and kinda stumbled into novels
odd sparrow
ofc
mellow depot
jk
celest dome
I don't remember excatly where I dropped GoT (Somewhere after Jon Snow get shanked iirc) but god dam did I hate the change of point of view, the character are all either annoying/uninteresting or die in the end
odd sparrow
imo it was amazing up to season 4, good up to season 5 but I really just didn't feel it from 6 onwards. It didn't feel even remotely the same
verbal nest
My dad watched it at the start of this year and he wouldnt stop gushing about it for some reason
I hate to put my dad down like this but it doesn't surprise me
He hates the prequels too
odd sparrow
The prequels did kinda suck to be fair
good conceptually and with a few good elements but the execution was messy af
but this should probs go to #735951004989784104 anyways
verbal nest
Star wars is 40k thoπ
celest dome
Is the Republic the Interex ?#
muted pewter
Star wars is 40k thoπ
@verbal nest star wars is like basic Chinese compare to 40k
celest dome
What does that mean "Basic Chinese" ?
muted pewter
i mean simplified version of it
muted pewter
can custodies corruptable?
final spruce
For now, the lore has never mentionned any Custodes that went rogue
muted pewter
cool
final spruce
I guess the process of how theya re made really empathies that
Since, unlike Space Marines they are created to be the Emperor's most faithful protectors
And I assume them being constantly near the Emperor, which gives anti-daemon vibes, would make them pretty resistant to Chaos aswell
final spruce
They don't worship the Emperor since unlike most of the Imperium they know of the Emperor not a God
They are His faithful servants for now around 15k years
barren tapir
Custodes are know to be quite resistant to chaos powers too, other than that there may be a genetical loyalty imprinted to them
muted pewter
They are His faithful servants for now around 15k years
@final spruce wtf
they are that old
final spruce
Yes
barren tapir
Custodes were present even before terra get united under the emperor
final spruce
That I do not know
verbal nest
How old are the High Lord dudes
final spruce
since the Emperor did need the Thunder warriors for that
barren tapir
How old are the High Lord dudes
Their institutions is around half the great crusade IIRC, about each character it depend
muted pewter
btw how emperor started imeprium
verbal nest
What's that in...layman terms
muted pewter
did he just well lets unite world
barren tapir
Yep
final spruce
It's the Great Crusade
verbal nest
It's probably another "vague for imagination" reasons
final spruce
When he went in search of his sons
barren tapir
He was one of the many warlords fighting on Terra
muted pewter
but orgin of the crusade how, when,with,where
verbal nest
It's probably another "vague for imagination" reasons
@verbal nest
barren tapir
Then, since he had superior tech and was quite good at persuading people he managed to defeat other warlords
final spruce
Oh, well first the humans discovered how to travel in space, colonized alot of worlds, chaos tempest cut all of the planets, and the entirety of Terra became Necromunda
So Big E stepped up, created Thunder warriors and united all of Terra under his baneer
He then created his sons, space marines from their geneseed and the Custodes and then went around reconquering the worlds that were disconnected because of chaos warp storms
muted pewter
i know that but my question was exect event that emperor decided the emerge from shadow
did he live like a peasant until that day
He was one of the many warlords fighting on Terra
@barren tapir or like other warlord he had a territory
final spruce
When Humanity was cut from each colonized planet because of the warp storms, making Terra that relied on the Moon and other planets to sustain itself collapse and turn into the Hokuto no Ken universe
That's when the Emperor decided Humanity needed him the worst
So he conquered the entire barbarians tribes
Until that moment, the Emperor used his powers to hide himself amongst humans
He was trying to steer them in the right way, making himself appear as advisors etc
muted pewter
hmm okey thanks for explanation
as i understand from last church his perosonalty was like in "if the emperor text device"?
final spruce
TTS has its own cannon so relying it for lore is not very good imo
But they got the Emperor more or less like he is in real 40k
muted pewter
from that story his speech against uraih was so mean time to time. like an asshole as in TTs
He just destroyed that poor old man
muted pewter
if he waited 10 years or so he would die from old age
storm jungle
Yeah TTS plays it for comedy but its really close to the emperor's real personality
final spruce
He has no empathy and considered his sons like tools
final spruce
And its one of the reasons Gulliman choose to make his Imperium Secundus
muted pewter
one church wouldnt hurt anyone
final spruce
Because he was depressed af being the only loyal primarch alive and have his Father consider him like a tool
muted pewter
Δ± really petty for that old man
barren tapir
one church wouldnt hurt anyone
This is like saying that one book wouldn't hurt anyone, but look at what lorgar did
final spruce
Don't forget what Big E did to Lorgar
muted pewter
This is like saying that one book wouldn't hurt anyone, but look at what lorgar did
@barren tapir that argument extermenly logical
but lorgar was an asshole
but uraih was cooll
final spruce
I don't think he was an asshole as much as a zealot
barren tapir
Don't forget what Big E did to Lorgar
Giving him the liberty to keep his world intact and letting him keeping worshiping him? Big E should have beaten the crap of colchis and tell lorgar to shut the fuck up with his religious crap
storm jungle
then again Guilliman does say he did act like a manchild at times
final spruce
And like most zealots, when his misguided faith crumbled, well he chose other Gods
barren tapir
@barren tapir that argument extermenly logical
@muted pewter thanks, i like to being logical
final spruce
Actually Big E was fine with Logar and his space marines worshipping him at first
verbal nest
You'd probably be a manchild if you kept trying to destroy your creations like a crazy child with Lego
final spruce
What made him torch the city and bend the knee is when he realized Lorgar did what religious cultists do
barren tapir
Actually Big E was fine with Logar and his space marines worshipping him at first
Right, it is because lorgar was one of his "children" that big E let him keep his religious ways
final spruce
Lorgar litteraly wouldn't leave a world until he kiled all of the people that did not choose to pray to Big E
Big E was fine with Logra rkeeping his little religion to himself and his marines
barren tapir
So Big E didn't do anything aganist lorgar, it was lorgar that acted aganist big E first and foremost
storm jungle
Honestly i want to say Big E should have just allowed religion/science as seperate beliefs since he should have realised you cant stop people from worshipping anyone or anything
final spruce
But Big E did not want that
storm jungle
I know!
final spruce
He wanted Humanity to evolve above it
final spruce
Yeah but Big E is sttuborn as hell
muted pewter
Honestly i want to say Big E should have just allowed religion/science as seperate beliefs since he should have realised you cant stop people from worshipping anyone or anything
@storm jungle agree
storm jungle
people always want to look something higher than themselves
its why you can never eradicate religion
muted pewter
i would create a new religon for people
final spruce
I think he was just affraid of this birthing a new chaos god
Like the bloody eldars did
muted pewter
how so
barren tapir
Big E managed to get rid of religion TBH, it is just that its corruption is quite easy to spread
muted pewter
Like the bloody eldars did
@final spruce god of belief?
final spruce
Slaneesh
muted pewter
no i mean
barren tapir
All high ranks of the great crusade were supporter of the imperial truth, and knew that big E wasn't a god
muted pewter
I think he was just affraid of this birthing a new chaos god
@final spruce like this
final spruce
The Eldars were so much into bdsm shite and devolved so much into degeneracy that they birhted a chaos god : Slaneesh
verbal nest
Didn't they birth Slaanesh by being... religiously sinful tho
muted pewter
new gof but what kind of a god he create or cause of the crreation
storm jungle
Yeah like they did sick shit on a GALACTIC scale
final spruce
And in a way, he is right, since rn he is slowly becoming a Chaos God because of all the people blindlessly worhsipping him
storm jungle
they kidnapped other eldar off the streets
verbal nest
Don't say it
verbal nest
You have to say it
final spruce
So yeah, in the end Big E was right
storm jungle
they were so lazy that they basically had wraithbone robots doing all the conquering for them
barren tapir
So yeah, int he end Big E was right
Agree
final spruce
Especially when you realize the scale of the Imperium and all its inhabitants
verbal nest
Well that's one way I'd like to run a civilisation
barren tapir
One error big E did, one of many, was to not tell anyone of the warp entities, if he did there would be contempt directed to those entities instead he remained silent, so those entities managed to pass themslef for gods
final spruce
Because of Logar (the brother he hated the most), the Emperor, before a man, turned into a real god
Especially when such knowledge would have saved some of the primarchs like Horus or Magnus
Or even Fulgrim
barren tapir
It is also weird that you create a philosophy about reason and logic, but don't want to "discuss" about extradimensional entities...
final spruce
Its because, from Big E's point of view, his logic was, if you did not evne aknowledge the Chaos Gods, you wouldn't be able to feed them
storm jungle
If only he had a wikipedia like we did and knew the truth
barren tapir
Magnus was acting in ignorance true, but if someone who is extremely more powerful than you tell you to don't use something, and you do then you are quite stupid
final spruce
In the end, Big E turning into a God actually helped him starve the Chaos Gods
Since soulbound exist
barren tapir
Eh, not realy, the chaos "gods" are stronger than ever... Maybe if he managed to spread the imperial truth more they may get weaker, but we will never know... DAMN YOU LORGAR!
storm jungle
I feel like when the End Times happens its either gonna be Big E's plug being pulled and dying right there or just ascending to godhood as many people have theorized before he makes his own Age of ~~Sigmar ~~ Emprah lol
final spruce
They were stronger than ever when woken by Slaneesh's birth
It's just now that, with the Cicatrix they can go into realirt more easily
However the Cicatrix will make them stronger long term
Since it literally stops the people from the wrong side to be soul bound
barren tapir
We need more blanks, and we need more blackstone
final spruce
Too bad the last Blackstone Fortress was used on Cadia
barren tapir
Well, blackstone fortresses weren't made from necron blackstone as far as i know
barren tapir
In truth they were made to fight necrons and c'tans
they're eldar in origin arent they
I know the same
final spruce
Blackstone Fortress were Old Ones creations
storm jungle
Yeah the wiki doesnt say that
barren tapir
I know that they were made by vaul
storm jungle
just that they were used by the eldar apparently
final spruce
It's what the book says
storm jungle
EVERY 40K BOOK SAYS SOMETHING
final spruce
So unless they retconned that in 3 years
Eldars didn't seem like people that use blackstone tbh
Necrons do
storm jungle
Yeah but its important to remember we dont know their original shape
barren tapir
That is beacuse is not necron balckstone
storm jungle
since they're all designed to look like chaos stars now lol
barren tapir
I mean, the fortresses were capable to create a beam of warp eneriges, and necrons don't use the warp, eldar do
final spruce
But Eldars are Wraith bone users
barren tapir
But Eldars are Wraith bone users
Yeah, but we are calling two substances with the same name, the blackstone fortresses are called that because they are balck and made of stone, the necron blackstone is aother thing... It cannot be necron blackstone otherswise the fortresses couldn't be capable to open rift between the materium and immaterium
cerulean wagon
Necron blackstone has null properties
so it would stop warp energies
infact necrons are as anti chaos as it gets
(its covered quiet nicely in the Black crusade: Tome of fate)
Also eldar are currently wraithbone users
bare in mind dark eldar don't use exclusivley wraithbone
and precurrent eldar would possibly have access to even wider technologies
it is most likely blackstone fortresses were forged by the Old Ones or one of their underling factions, and eldar may have had a hand in it (what with eldar being an old one generated race)
In fact the old ones are possibly the eldar gods, although we are unsure how much the war in heaven actually overlaps with the eldar war in heaven
vagrant osprey
The Old Ones and the Eldar gods are not the same.
Almost all the Old Ones either fled or died, with only one known survivor.
Some of the Eldar gods are still alive. Isha, for example.
muted pewter
how can you kill a god
primal tide
enslavers
primal tide
uwu
odd sparrow
H O W S W E E T I T I S T O B E A G O D
muted pewter
if gods can killable in 40k then can you kill khorne
final spruce
You aswered your own question
storm jungle
No, you cant kill the chaos gods
Unless your plan is to wipe out the entirety of sentient species in 40k so the chaos gods cant feed on their emotions anymore.
rotund siren
yeah
that was potentially one of the supposed things that could've resulted from the Horus Heresy
storm jungle
Yep basically the plan of the cabal in the long run
rotund siren
that apparently, if Horus won, there would be a big perpetual war that would last until everything was dead
and then Chaos would be dead
but it didn't happen, so shrug
vagrant osprey
You can kill chaos gods. It's happened before.
But their portfolio won't be abandoned; there will be something else to fill the gap.
Also, Tzeentch has been 'dead' multiple times. Not proper dead, but in a deathlike state.
(There's an argument as to if it was for tax purposes, or because he is the chaos god of knowledge and change but yet is fundamentally incapable of change)
vagrant osprey
Yeah.
Lesser ones, at least.
We're not aware of any major ruinous powers having properly died, but there are countless lesser powers that are independent of them. Those have died.
storm jungle
Eh that doesnt really count though, especially when they're ones who nobody has heard of and have no sphere of influence to speak of
vagrant osprey
The only difference between the lesser powers and the greater powers is scale.
vagrant osprey
The fact that lesser ruinous powers have died proves that ruinous powers can die.
storm jungle
Oh yeah nobody is saying they cant
Its just impossible at this rate
Unless nuking the universe is an option
vagrant osprey
That's how we know that when a ruinous power dies, from that point forward chaos is incapable of understanding that it ever existed in the first place.
kind dove
Are the Aeldari Pantheon Chaos Beings?
vagrant osprey
Oh, they probably aren't going to die. That's different from them being able to die.
@kind dove Not really.
crisp heath
Unless nuking the universe is an option
@storm jungle
The universe? No Problem. They did that multiple Times and ripped apart the Fabrik ot space. Relativly small scale tho.
Nuking the Warp? Idk
storm jungle
We need more nukes smh
kind dove
What if they rebuilt the necron pylon system and fully separated the warp from the materium
vagrant osprey
They could if they talked things out with the Void Dragon.
That was the Void Dragon's life's work, after all.
crisp heath
Not Sure If that whould Help or Just destroy everyone:
..."When completed, these constructs were intended to close off the Warp from the material universe entirely, utterly destroying any living creatures with a soul, leaving all other life in the galaxy as nourishment for the C'tan.".....
Maybe they could use a Tesseract Labyrinth and send them to a prisondimension
vagrant osprey
That can't be correct, Dante. The C'Tan eat souls, so if all the souls were gone they would starve.
(Also, humans have been inside the Pariah nexus and didn't die. They were uncomfortable, but very much alive. Sisters of Battle were even able to call down a Living Saint.)
final spruce
I don't think a Slaneesh boy would like to meet any SoB
There is only one that chose Chaos and she was already deranged
Well, more than the others
vagrant osprey
Canonically, anyone who meets Slaanesh directly immediately falls.
barren tapir
Necron pylons are the ultimate goal of necrons, creatures with souls don't die if they live in zones without connection to the warp, but they slowly became soulles and become like an empty shell
Only blanks could survive in those zones
barren tapir
Literal
barren tapir
Further effects of Blackstone have been observed. Any living creature within the area of influence of Blackstone will find themselves afflicted with a numbing despair that only worsens with time until they become little more than a mindless husk - a perfect vessel for Necron experimentation on the reversal of biotransference
The Necrons have been able to use Blackstone to create entire regions of space free from the touch of the Warp, such as the Pariah Nexus. Szarekh hopes to create this array on a galactic scale.
Szarekh is like the chief tech guy of the necrons IIRC
rotund siren
Szarekh the IT Guy, destroyer of minds
barren tapir
He just want to revert the biotrasference
Oh, i didn't know that blackstone can enhance psychic powers
gray trellis
Question, whats the name of those rambo comando guardsmen?
ripe gyro
Think you mean the catachan jungle fighters
buoyant crypt
Ah
devout marlin
Rambo specifically is Sly Marbo
But Catachan jungle fighters are all Rambo clones in their own way so
buoyant crypt
Marbo is basically Jesus
barren tapir
Catachans are also among the few humans that can go near the size of SM without being ogryns... That is why they are also called baby ogryns
vast frigate
marbo's name is literally an anagram for rambo so
final spruce
Because Marbo is a very old character
vast frigate
yeah
final spruce
He was made in the 4th edition
vast frigate
iit all stems back to the time of the great memes in the lore itsself
like space wolves drinking away the chemical neutering
cerulean wagon
dilara trying to get that furry SM smut
crisp heath
devout marlin
What would happen if a space wolf saw a guardsman watching furry porn
celest dome
What are you doing Step-Guardsman
crisp heath
Help stepguardsman! Im stuck in the rhinohatch
rotund siren
i'm at my fucking limit
storm jungle
@cerulean wagon fuck you skeletor
also jokes aside the wolves on fenris were human once so its not far from the truth
cerulean wagon
gray trellis
i read some lore about the Catachan...damn, only the 50% survives childhood
barren tapir
I don't remember where i read that, but for them serving in the imperial guard is like going on holidays
verbal nest
"ah yeah so in my free time I purge in the name of the Emperor. What about you?"
barren tapir
They are also know to have very few commissars attached, if any, since it seems that they suffer a lot of deadly "incidents"
gray trellis
Also a problem with commissars is that they respect their officers through trust and not because of rank. So commissars have a hard time trying to get them follow orders.
- they survive the envoirment
in summary, Catachan jungle fighters are badasses, not the same type of badass as the Death Korps of Krieg, but they are in the same level of badassness.
storm jungle
@verbal nest They're a ton
the problem is you need to be reminded as a playerbase of how 40k is grimdank
So its why the only example of commissars you see is YOU RETREAT? BLAM
When in reality if you had such trigger-happy commissars, like the catachans did they dont really survive long
final spruce
Or like the cadians did
cerulean wagon
ye, good examples being gaunt and cain ofc
celest dome
Like there is an exerp of Krieg Kommissar whose job is mostly to moderate their charge
final spruce
Well yeah, because there is no need to motivate Krieg's troops
They have an unbreakable moral
gray trellis
literally
vagrant osprey
Remember: Bolters are supposed to be caseless, but writers keep forgetting that.
Re: That gif.
What's the point in having part of a cartridge that doesn't either go into making the bullet go faster, or goes into the enemy
celest dome
That is a long lasting debate, Bolter are gyrojet, and Gyrojet exist in both the caseless and the normal version
The working of Bolter is that it use a minimal charge to eject the Bolt before the Jet come on
vagrant osprey
Err... All gyrojets were caseless.
vagrant osprey
The case exists to contain the propellant, but gyrojets use internal propellant...
cold parrot
(I'm the opposite of an authority when it comes to lore)
Why would they have an ejection port then?
gray trellis
Bolters are self proposed redbull cans that explote on contact. -Russian Badger
celest dome
Some prototype (in RL) had both the Case and the caseless variant (to protect the gun)
And Bolter are not completely Gyrojet
barren tapir
(I'm the opposite of an authority when it comes to lore)
Why would they have an ejection port then?
Rule of cool... All weapons look better with an ejection port
vagrant osprey
(Also: Bolters are described as having enough kick to break the arms of an unaugmented human, just to make people who wield them anyway more badass)
An ejection port is required for expelling duds or jams.
Otherwise you would have to disassemble the weapon in combat
vagrant osprey
And we know that bolters can jam
celest dome
Didn't appease the Machine Spirit, Rookie mistake
buoyant crypt
damn bro guns been jamming since we invented them and 40k years later here we are
still jammin
vagrant osprey
In Deathwing you basically can't empty a stormbolter without at least one jam. It's one of the few things they got right in that game :V
barren tapir
Stormbolter AKA two bolter slapped together of course you are gonna have jams
final spruce
Logical
vagrant osprey
Point is that bolters jam, so they need to be able to eject a fouled round. :V
verbal nest
The bolter is jamming
What music is the bolter listening to?
vagrant osprey
The kind where the lyrics say "stop" and the music halts for a moment before continuing. 
cold parrot
True, although I'd guess having the ejection port exposed like that (which is what it looks like at least) might not be necessary. They skipped it on this crazy piece at least
https://youtu.be/QGKcvM2Hh4g
But hey, seeing a bolt travel is way cooler than it being mostly internal π
buoyant crypt
I feel like ive seen this weapon
crisp heath
HK best weapon company. I realy Love there designs
gray trellis
eww, G11
buoyant crypt
woah woah
verbal nest
Looks like one of the weapons that do a 180 flip to open up
To make it more portable
mellow depot
yallre wrong
gray trellis
that would be the FMG-9
mellow depot
gyrojets aren't all caseless
volcanic rocketballs are but the'yre not actually rockets
all the propellant is burned immediately like normal gunpowder
bolters use cased gyrojets
the real life gyrojet rifle and pistol i think might have actually been caseless
but i can't remember for sure right this second
crisp heath
There are caseless gyrojets for Sure.
But idk abbout the bolters.
mellow depot
the premise that the casing is superfluous is unfounded
crisp heath
with the amount of variety in bolter design
I don't see why there could not be both caseless and cased bolters
mellow depot
bolters all have ejection ports don't they
caseless weapons will not have ejection ports
verbal nest
Idk why there's the argument about cased Bolters
Have none of you played Spacemarine
mellow depot
furthermore
the amount of different types of ammo
caseless ammo is really complex
verbal nest
Big gyrojets
Smol gyrojet
Medium gyrojet
Long gyrojet
Short gyrojet
crisp heath
its not like there aren't all kinds of diff models of similar weapons in the imperium already
mellow depot
yeah obviously in 40,000 years it would be unreasonable to write off the possibility of there having been caseless gyrojet weapons BUT
from a firearms engineering standpoint
the bolters we see
there's just no way they'd be caseless
verbal nest
Question
If one Spacemarine is so good
Why do they have to travel in packs to battles they're clearly gonna win
crisp heath
just having a second person to watch your back and add some knowledge in areas you don't is invaluable
cold parrot
Everyone needs a battul bruvva
Also it seems Relic (or at least the trailer studio) believed they were both case and caseless
https://youtu.be/A-E1RcRvny8?t=56
https://youtu.be/A-E1RcRvny8?t=26
crisp heath
i Love that Intro. So many memorys
verbal nest
What if it reloads itself into the weapon and the cartridge that used to hold the bolt rounds can be recycled thrown away
buoyant crypt
they really shoulda just stayed in the bunker with the covering fire mech π’
vagrant osprey
@mellow depot given what we know about bolters and their design, they're an utter clusterfuck
mellow depot
i mean
vagrant osprey
The point of gyrojet weapons is that the weapon itself can be extremely light because there's no need for a pressure chamber.
mellow depot
well
but
you could also
have a lot of kicker charge
and then ALSO have gyrojet
for just
big power
nahmsayin
vagrant osprey
Gyrojets spend MOST of their energy adding rotation to the round.
Except that doesn't actually help in the bolter's use case, since the bolter itself is already rifled.
The advantages of gyrojets don't exist if you have a large kicker charge. They're working at cross purposes.
cold parrot
It does sidestep the issue of a slow exit velocity
vagrant osprey
It's like taking an F1 racer and putting a Navistar T444E in it.
It solves the slow exit velocity problem, yes.
But what does the gyrojet add?
vagrant osprey
Nnnnope. Gyrojet doesn't do anything to reduce bullet drop.
gilded pawn
Maintained travel speed? Potentially flatter trajectory?
vagrant osprey
That's all a wash, since it increases the initial bullet mass but reduces its density.
gilded pawn
If it is not a gyro jet but just a rocket with the twist imparted by the barrel rifling
vagrant osprey
So it has more drag.
That's possible, but it seems a bit silly.
It's not fin-stabilized, after all.
gilded pawn
It is all warp fuckery to begin with. But I would like something similar!
vagrant osprey
And it adds more points of failure, and decreases shot repeatability.
The bolter is explicitly not warp fuckery.
The bolter rounds are DAoT.
The bolter itself dates back to the Unification wars.
Honestly? The oldest known pattern of bolter round has a "Depleted Deuterium" charge.
The only usage case I see for this kind of munition is inside a railgun.
gilded pawn
And also uses adamantine tips with specialty explosive charge in addition to a rocket propellant.
vagrant osprey
Kicker charge? Literally required for a railgun to avoid spot-welding.
Gyrojet? Adds spin for stabilization, which you cannot do with a railgun.
gilded pawn
Coil guns with needle/ flechette ammo sounds closer to our capabilities right now
vagrant osprey
Depleted deuterium? Inertial-confinement fusion on impact
Err... You know we have railguns right now, right?
Coilguns have a velocity cap due to the limitations of coils as a result of magnetic flux
gilded pawn
That suffer from rail degradation and potentially could fail by arc welding the ammo inside the "barrel" yeah I have heard about it.
So what i hear is that we need magnetic field insulation to get better coil performance?
vagrant osprey
Coil guns rapidly reach the point where you can't establish and then terminate the field fast enough to keep accelerating the projectile.
You can take a look at the field equations. It kinda doesn't work like that?
You're talking about basically creating a unidirectionally attractive magnetic field.
gilded pawn
Hell, I am just a low intelligence service guy. I just spit ball
vagrant osprey
Ah, ok.
Anyway, railguns are plenty reliable.
You just need to accept that the rails are a consumable component.
gilded pawn
After how many shots?
gilded pawn
That low?
vagrant osprey
Do you know how many shells the average tank fires in its lifetime?
gilded pawn
Nope I was infantry. They called me a 'crunchy' and told me to move or get a first hand experience
barren tapir
WOAH, i go away for like an hour and you make a great weapon discussion...
vagrant osprey
Conceptually, I'm talking about bolters having been designed to fire an anti-armor munitions with an explosive payload in the ballpark of 20kt
Kicker charge to load it into the rails, gyrojet to spin-stabilize the round, and there's literally no other use of depleted deuterium but fusion fuel - it's light as fuck.
barren tapir
Also, @cold parrot sorry for the ping, but i want to tip my fedora, not only you see how the ejection bolter isn't the best if bolt rounds are caseless, but you bring as an example the G11! Funny, since before going away that was exactly the weapons i was thinking about how to remove bad ammunition
It seems that there are quite a few guys here that like the weapon topic, this has made my day a little better
vagrant osprey
It'd have to have been from the early days of the DAoT, too, because void shields are defeated by filling the area of the warp the shield is dumping to, and bolter rounds are laughably bad at that :V
But yea, a tank can fire somewhere between 500-2500 shells before its main gun needs to be replaced.
gilded pawn
I did not know that about the tank guns. My experience was "Gunny doesn't want to check ammo back in to the depot. So DumpEx!" 2 hours and 3k rounds later through 2 barrels of m249 SAW and things were just dandy.
vagrant osprey
Yeah, that's actually how most small arms ammo is spent :V
gilded pawn
Cleaned the barrel and did it again a week later
Yeah but my team leader made sure we got barrel swap drills down. Paired and solo. Also trying to get "accurate" suppressive fire on called targets down range. (Over achiever, but damn good training)
I know that one of the BAE systems rail guns was supposed to be on the Zumwalt Destroyer right? Then I heard they went with a conventional 5" gun or something similar....
vagrant osprey
I think that's what happened, yeah.
mellow depot
they couldn't get the BAE railgun to acceptable efficiency
so far
as far as i know
vagrant osprey
There's conflicting information on it.
I'm seeing a lot of "navy says BAE system won't be installed on Zumwalt-class" and "six systems deployed, two on each of the three Zumwalt-class"
So it's a cancelled thing that happened except for not Β―_(γ)_/Β―
gilded pawn
Back on bolters. As my ork cousin says "Bak ta DAKKA! Waaaaaauuugggghhhh!"
With the sheer amount of potential tech they have in 40k, could the bolter thrust nozzle be vectored?
vagrant osprey
In theory? Sure, but that would require smart munitions.
AKA, Heresy
A bullet smart enough to swerve towards its target on its own is the kinda thing thronebutt put the kebash on
gilded pawn
Darn it Malcador!
barren tapir
Didn't the deathwatch, or some chapter, has them?
They call it servo adjusted bolt round or something
gilded pawn
Lol there are some HK rounds for them aren't there!
verbal nest
Heresy seeking bolt rounds
mellow depot
railgun technology is really fucking shit right now
gilded pawn
HS bolters
mellow depot
like sure it's more powerful and longer range than existing explosive guns
but
barrels don't last long
and they take SO much energy
gilded pawn
So what your saying is we need to find a way to power it by faith in the God Emperor?
barren tapir
Seeker bolts, used by dark angels
vagrant osprey
Technically, railguns take less energy than chemically-propelled weapons. The difference is that they don't use stored energy.
gilded pawn
Low intelligence spit ball* warning!!! Potentially tech heresy!
"Hmm wonder if you modified coilgun to sling the magfield generating coil forward on rails and it slinging projectile out like crossbow?"
vagrant osprey
I don't think accelerating a coil to mach 2 inside your weapon is a good plan.
gray trellis
Tech Priest: Yea....what about it?
gilded pawn
So fire and forget?
vagrant osprey
Basically?
mellow depot
i mean
the issue with railguns is
they're so horribly inefficient
they lose so much energy in friction and heat
barren tapir
Between coil and rail i prefer coil, but it is just a personal preference, i find the coil concept cool
mellow depot
also being that they're a fin-stabilized discarding sabot, how precise can they actually be
them rails ain't rifled or nothin
even Abrams barrels that fire 120mm APFSDS shells are rifled
so they start off with stabilization
vagrant osprey
Railguns are, depending on design, between 20% to 75% efficient.
mellow depot
i mean
specifically the BAE systems one we're trying to put on a ship
like
a naval one
a big boy
storm jungle
Were the Tau the only people in the setting with railguns?
final spruce
Mechanicus use weapons with similar systems
barren tapir
That use them yes, that know about them no
vagrant osprey
AH! Ok, so, railguns are attractive because efficiency is fairly linear.
barren tapir
Mechanicus know all the mechanics of rail weapons, but don't have solved the problem of compact energy storage
vagrant osprey
Chemical propellant has strongly diminishing returns to the point that there's a fairly hard cap on how fast you can get a projectile.
green sedge
The Mechanicus has fusion bottles and promethium engines, you are objectively wrong, Blank.
Like a lot wrong.
final spruce
And they even have enough power to kickstart small ships
green sedge
They have extremely compact energy storage.
vagrant osprey
Isn't the problem with the Mechanicus railguns that they explode?
green sedge
^^^
Because they do not in fact have a good understanding of the detailed mechanics.
barren tapir
Well, then i read old lore, since it was stated that they didn't have ways to create batteries like tau did
vagrant osprey
The Mechanicus is 99% cargo cult, 1% understanding.
green sedge
However! You're all idiots, because you all seem to have forgotten that Astartes boarding torpedoes are rail launched.
verbal nest
I don't get this, do the High Lords of Terra not recognise how retard the imperium is? Aren't they older than the crusade itself
green sedge
Not the current high lords.
vagrant osprey
The High Lords of Terra drink the koolaid.
green sedge
^
verbal nest
Custodes?
final spruce
Custodes do'nt care about technology
vagrant osprey
And they only live, like, 900-ish years tops for the 'human' ones?
green sedge
Custodes don't involve themselves in non-household affairs.
final spruce
And they were confined to the palace for 15k years
verbal nest
Bruh humanity really do be fucked
green sedge
10k years not 15k
verbal nest
Lol Gulliman that typical boomer telling the kids to go for a walk
vagrant osprey
@final spruce Ok, so, the custodes were 'confined' to the palace, except for the ones who became "The Eyes of the Emperor" who were
final spruce
Some orders already did that
green sedge
But yeah Bloop the entire point of the genre is that Humanity is fucked.
vagrant osprey
"Too old" or "Too injured" to serve.
final spruce
Read what I wrote above
verbal nest
It'd be nice if we got a thing here and there of humanity actually kickin ass for a hot second Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
vagrant osprey
Custodes do not age, and they can't really be injured in combat sitting around the palace.
final spruce
There is a whole Custodes "order" that is about Custodes chosing a guy that is bound to do great things, follow em around and protect them
green sedge
Yeah new lore is that Girlyman booted them out of their dad's basement but they still give zero fucks about tech in general.
So they're not gonna help there.
Bloop literally all Space Marine novels are the thing you said would be nice.
vagrant osprey
I'm pretty sure that the Custodes are kinda pissed that he ruined their cover for going around doing things, tbh.
verbal nest
Ok what about Gulliman, he clearly seems to hate what's happening to the imperium since the last episode of his life,
green sedge
He does and he's trying to fix it.
final spruce
That's why he created the Imperium Secundus
vagrant osprey
The problem is that he doesn't actually understand what's going on.
verbal nest
The wut now
final spruce
And tried to oppose the current High Lords
vagrant osprey
Wait, you mean his "deepest regret"?
verbal nest
@vagrant osprey wdym he doesnt understand whats going on, like, he doesn't know why imperium is all messed up?
vagrant osprey
The thing he did during the Heresy when Ultramar was cut off from Terra by warpstorms?
vagrant osprey
@verbal nest Ok, so, there's a LOT of reasons why the
barren tapir
Guillman replaced some high lords after he became lord commander
green sedge
Some but not enough. >.>
barren tapir
He fought the inquisition too
green sedge
^
vagrant osprey
Imperium is fucked, but Papa Smurf only has a surface level understanding.
verbal nest
Oh, I thought it was a bit of a dumb statement lol
green sedge
No, it's effectively correct.
You hit the nail on the head.
GW is recycling a character arc.
verbal nest
Well can we have 40k Kruber plz
green sedge
We have Kaldor Drago.
verbal nest
40k Saltzpyre?
green sedge
Literally any inquisitor.
verbal nest
Saltz is special π
vagrant osprey
The Custodes were blatantly using their self-imposed exile as a cover to go around the galaxy doing things, since nobody could keep tabs on how many Custodes were actually in the palace.
storm jungle
Dont care tbh
verbal nest
Shhh
green sedge
Oh yeah don't get me wrong he's fantastic.
final spruce
We have a good bunch of badass inquisitors
storm jungle
Its suppose to be tropey on purpose but his character shines though
vagrant osprey
But now they have to be SEEN going around doing stuff, so the Custodes can't act as freely as they did before.
verbal nest
It's a shame the inquisition in 40k is like edging on heresy all the time
vagrant osprey
Saltzpyre is clearly Ordo Malleus.
green sedge
Yeah he kinda screwed the Custodes there.
vagrant osprey
Literally their job, @verbal nest
verbal nest
So does Gulliman control the grey knights now
final spruce
You mean like Inquisitors using daemons swords ?
verbal nest
@vagrant osprey no I mean, like, inquistors in 40k are always doing heretical shit
vagrant osprey
Yes. That is literally their job.
green sedge
^
verbal nest
Wut
vagrant osprey
The purpose behind their entire creation was to be people who could determine what was necessary regardless of if it was allowed and then do it
green sedge
They do heretical shit. It's their job. You can seriously only fight some heresy with heresy.
^^^
gilded pawn
I always wondered if other inquisitors tried to group together blanks & pariahs like Eisenhorn did with his Distaff...
vagrant osprey
The groups allowed to negotiate treaties with Xenos? Primarchs and Inquisitors.
green sedge
Yes. Canonically, yes. Multiple times.
vagrant osprey
The groups allowed to make pacts with daemons? Primarchs and Inquisitors.
final spruce
Xenologists exist
People that job is to learn how to communicate, understand the culture and trade with xenos
barren tapir
The groups allowed to negotiate treaties with Xenos? Primarchs and Inquisitors.
Also rogue traders
vagrant osprey
That's why I emphasized "negotiate treaties"
green sedge
Rogue Traders can deal with xenos too but they're not around enough to be relevant.
Yeah what he said.
vagrant osprey
Trade deals aren't treaties.
final spruce
Rogue Traders are another thing appart
gilded pawn
More like corporate spying
vagrant osprey
An Inquisitor has the authority to give an agriworld to some craftworld Eldar and say they're now under the protection of the Imperium.
Because ALL Inquisitors speak for the Emperor.
And the Imperium has to accept that
The only ones who can countermand that are other Inquisitors or the Emperor himself
final spruce
Rogue Traders can do that to an extend but it needs to be on territories outside of the Imperium
crisp heath
Giving away imperial planets to xenos.....Sounds Like heresy to me. Burn that Inquisitor and destroy his sigil
green sedge
Uh no that's legit a thing they can do.
vagrant osprey
Exactly, Zherlum. Outside the Imperium. If the Imperium rolls into town then they aren't required to honor that planet's ownership.
vagrant osprey
Rogue Traders are allowed to operate freely. It doesn't mean that the Imperium is bound by the word of one.
storm jungle
Rogue traders are literally british privateers
final spruce
Thing is the Imperium never runs into town as you said
storm jungle
But in SPAAACE
vagrant osprey
That is literally the purpose of the Explorator fleets, Zherlum.
final spruce
Because it is the Rogue Trader' job to extend said Imperium
vagrant osprey
Err... No, that's the job of Explorators.
Rogue Traders are traders.
They gather information and artifacts outside the Imperium, and often sell those to the Imperium, but like Dilara said they're space privateers.
storm jungle
A Rogue Trader is a combination of freelance explorer, conquistador and merchant
They're basically what everyone is saying they are right now
green sedge
The Imperium has demonstrated multiple times that it will not consider itself bound by the terms of Rogue Trader pacts.
final spruce
That part yes
vagrant osprey
Rogue Traders are privateers. Explorators are like Columbus.
final spruce
Since Rogue Traders still are bound to the Imperium laws
Especially when inside the Imperium itself
vagrant osprey
Err... Not really?
green sedge
Not at all. >.>
final spruce
Rogue Trader core rulebook is wrong then ?
vagrant osprey
Rogue Traders can be executed for high treason, but beyond that they're outside most of the laws.
green sedge
Rogue Trader core rulebook disagrees with depiction in lore at the very least.
vagrant osprey
Rogue Traders can have xenos in their crew, and can deal in daemonic artifacts.
Those are both super illegal.
gray trellis
sorry to interrupt, but is there a specific class or rank that are the mecanicus that search the galaxy for exotic/old technology?
final spruce
Because it says that while they have free reign outside of the Imperium, they have to respect its laws when travelling back to trade
That's essentially what all Tech Priests do
green sedge
Respect and obey are different things.
gilded pawn
ARCHEOTECH!
gilded pawn
Then hereteks
gray trellis
thx
final spruce
Nah, Hereteks are heretics wdym
gray trellis
Archeotech goes with engiseer or they are 2 different stuff that cant be together
gilded pawn
But a heretek could just be innovative
final spruce
I remember engi-seer being a specific role inside the mechanicum
gray trellis
oh wow
storm jungle
Oh no it is
its just a role that is wide-used as hell
Also you guys wont be able to see this but:
Mechanicus hierarchy is complex af
crisp heath
Yeah rulebook and Lore are Not the Same on Traders. I whould Stick with "they have to Accept imperial Rules as Long they are inside imperial areas". That makes the Most sence to me. What they realy do is another Story and i whould Bet that a Lot of Traders get regular visits from Inquisition/ lawenforcenent
gray trellis
So, basically. Magos-Archeotech [Insert name]. Is this alright?
adeptus is a lower rank then
vagrant osprey
Some rules Rogue Traders can flat-out ignore, though.
They can absolutely have an Ork Freebooter inside of Imperium space.
final spruce
Only Inquisitors and High Lords are higher than Rogue Traders
They can even take that Ork and make him a legal xenos
vagrant osprey
Or, rather, it might make more sense to count Rogue Trader ships as not being Imperium space.
Rogue Traders basically only answer to Inquisitors. I don't think High Lords could even order them to pass the salt.
High Lords could declare a crusade against them, though.
final spruce
High Lords are the one giving them the pass tho
vagrant osprey
Aaactually no.
final spruce
Unless they changed that again
vagrant osprey
Rogue Traders are dynasties established by the Emperor himself.
final spruce
Books says the Decrees are giving by thr Emperor for the oldest dynasties and the youngest by te High Lords
vagrant osprey
Ah, yeah, that's true.
storm jungle
@gray trellis Archeotech is a term for old technology not a rank as far as i remember, I'd suggest if you're going with a tech-boi whos an explorer go with the ranks i posted, hopefully they can help
Mechanicus ranks are really flexible so if you're confused trust me i dont blame you lol
final spruce
Just call em STC
Also don't forget innovation is heresy unless you're as powerful as Cawl
green sedge
STCs are specific things.
final spruce
Aren't STC very old techs ?
green sedge
No an STC is a device-inventor based on a library system and powered by an AI.
gray trellis
@storm jungle Its because i was thinking of a name of a techpriest, in offtopic it endned in Agricola d420*(noice)*
green sedge
Yes. STCs are technically illegal.
storm jungle
@gray trellis eyyy high fives
gray trellis
now i only need a rank, and i was thinking of a low to mid rank that focuses in recovering technology (like a lieutenant or corporal in real life)
final spruce
I think I have a small list of Tech-Priest names in borg Wrath& Glory and Rogue Trader rulebooks
storm jungle
I think a Questor-Majoris is the best
basically gives the notion that hes an explorer but still holds a good rank to order lowlies around
final spruce
Have a little band of skitarris with automatic grenade launchers following you
verbal nest
Toaster gun*
storm jungle
No you see thats Volkite weapons
literally the disintegrators from Mars Attacks lol
green sedge
I fuckin' love the good old Freem Beam!
crisp heath
Just become magos dominus and attatch all of them at the Same time
gray trellis
so Questor-Majoris Agricola d420, sounds about right?
storm jungle
Sounds great actually
you can imagine a heavily mechanized voice say it
the ultimate "does this name sound cool" test
gray trellis
Xdd followed by a binary code
vagrant osprey
Today's sad fact of the day: Binaric is a lightly encrypted language. Imperium efforts to decipher it by non-mechanicus factions have failed because they think it's just a language and don't understand that it's encrypted
storm jungle
I want to put a post on 40klore reddit asking "How many Wolf Prefixes/Terms do the Space Wolves have?" but I'm not sure if im ready for the answers that will come from it lol
buoyant crypt
you troll
muted pewter
a lot i suppose
celest dome
How many Wolf Prefixes/Terms do the Space Wolves have ?
Yes
primal tide
Im genuinely curious
she said, wolfishly
azure laurel
what u guys recommend that is not horus heresy ?
final spruce
Space wolves, supposed to be space viking but ended up space furries
crisp heath
Gaunts Ghosts.
Or farseer from William King If ur looking for a single book instead of a full series.
vagrant osprey
1: Eldar are sexually dimorphic, with females having pronounced breast tissue.
2: Eldar use "mammal" as an insult when talking to or about humans.
3: The only requirements for being a mammal are lactation and live birth.
Therefore: Eldar lay eggs.
final spruce
I've never heard of eldars insulting people using "mammal"