Yeah vatborn are looked down on in the imperium in general
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
barren tapir
Now that i think of, most of the last lore that i read is showing more and more that ther isn't always the Ad. Mech. behind every piece of tech... Maybe we will see a bit of retcon about their moopoly??
kind dove
I think cloning is technically heretical as it isn’t The emperors vision of humanity
primal tide
What are you doing, step-clone
primal tide
Something something genetic attraction
barren tapir
primal tide
Needs a bangbros watermark
barren tapir
I should have posted this before the heresy take hold
kind dove
Imagine a DKoK Pet Class Guardsman in Danktide with an attack dog and carbine and shovel
Angry Spess German Shepherd
gray trellis
I want a grenadier DKoK
primal tide
I wouldn't really expect one in an inquisitorial retinue tho
gray trellis
I wouldn't really expect one in an inquisitorial retinue tho
@primal tide bro, you always need a meatshield, and who is better that one that loves to be one?
primal tide
Game logic I guess, but remember we're inspecting a hive city under inquisitorial orders, not fighting in the guard in a planetwide battle
vagrant osprey
Cloning's probably illegal because making somebody a body calls back their soul from the warp, and it's kinda hard to call back a soul from the warp when it's already inside a body, so you're probably just going to get a daemonhost.
That's what happened with the cloned Primarchs.
crisp heath
I whould Love to Play as arbites. Judge dredd like
primal tide
Clones have souls
Primarchs are obviously different because they are filled with warpstuff by nature
vagrant osprey
Wild speculation: Krieg is low-key a compliant daemonworld of one of the minor powers. Krieg soldiers are all hosts of Krieg's daemon.
primal tide
Maybe the planet is host to a specifically less orky form of the orkoid fungus
And "test tube babies" is just cover for "we are mushrooms that grow on walls"
vagrant osprey
Nah, can't be orks. Kriegsmen die all the time, and don't start popping up on planets where they fell.
green sedge
Heh. While we're considering this possibility space, maybe they're all secretly just clumsy Eldar.
crisp heath
is it explicitly said the kriegers are cloned?
green sedge
Vita-wombs.
primal tide
Lmao clumsy eldar
crisp heath
i heard something about vitae wombs
green sedge
So yes, kind of.
primal tide
Lol
vagrant osprey
Eldar breed too slow :V
crisp heath
for all we know that could be reduced birthing times
green sedge
They're not explicitly clones they're mostly just hot-housed rapidly grown normal humans.
crisp heath
sped up womb development
green sedge
Which also means that most Kreig guardsmen are like 5.
primal tide
So if it's not cloning, who's supplying all the necessary ingredients? And why they all the same?
barren tapir
Heh. While we're considering this possibility space, maybe they're all secretly just clumsy Eldar.
There is a haemonculi cult that transform their enemies in humans... It seems that to eldar is an awful fate
green sedge
They're not all the same.
crisp heath
Theyre all the same cause they wear gas masks and figure obscuring coats @primal tide
green sedge
No no, that's to cover up the defects.
vagrant osprey
@barren tapir Actually, that sounds like an out. If an Eldar is turned into a Human then Slaanesh loses the claim on their soul.
primal tide
🤔
crisp heath
I don't think the kriegers would allow defects
green sedge
Kreigers explicitly do allow defects.
crisp heath
they do?
green sedge
Yeah. If you're too defective to fight you work in the factories.
primal tide
The cloning factories
green sedge
Otherwise they doin't give a fuck if you're, like, missing a nose.
crisp heath
that sounds weird
almost all the zealous imperium types are notoriously anti-mutant, I imagined they'd beat mutant babies to death with their shovels
primal tide
Depends on if the nose is fucked up from mutation or if they had their face pressed against the test tube for too long
green sedge
No like, for real, Kriegsmen come out kind of only mostly correct and that's part of why they wear fully obscuring garments at all times.
They only need to be correct enough to fight.
primal tide
Don't those kinds of problems show up a lot with cloning experiments?
vagrant osprey
IRL the biggest problem in cloning experiments is telomere depletion leading to early onset of cancers and other age-related conditions.
green sedge
They're almost clones. They use extracted genetic materials.
primal tide
"extracted" uwu
crisp heath
Lexicanum says they have a eugenics program
green sedge
Like, they take eggs and sperm from the ones that come out correct and use them to make the next batch.
That is their eugenics program.
vagrant osprey
They harvest the ovaries and testicles of soldiers before they're sent off.
green sedge
^
primal tide
No wonder they prefer shovels, they're all shooting blanks
green sedge
Also fun fact, Kriegsmen are 50/50 split between sexes, they've just been bred flat chested so you can't tell.
vagrant osprey
Well, they also never have puberty.
vagrant osprey
That's part of why they harvest their reproductive organs - if they somehow live long enough where it should have started, then it can't.
Ew.
Wanting to date a Krieg. Ew.
green sedge
But also yes.
crisp heath
I don't get why kriegers would use female soldiers
green sedge
Double eww.
vagrant osprey
Err... Why wouldn't they?
green sedge
They use female soldiers because they're exactly as effective with a lasgun and a shovel as male soldiers, duh.
crisp heath
There's no point in cloning them and they should prolly be making kids
green sedge
They're not cloning them.
vagrant osprey
...
green sedge
Have you not been paying attention?
vagrant osprey
They use Vitae-wombs.
rotund siren
oof
green sedge
At all?
primal tide
Vitae-womb isn't cloning is the same as saying machine spirit is totally not ai guys
green sedge
They need to have a 50/50 supply from the vitae wombs or they won't be able to maintain enough genetic diversity not to have the vats producing inbred sludge forms.
crisp heath
Well I don't really get what you're saying because I suggested vitae wombs are not cloning and it seemed like you said it was cloning
vagrant osprey
Look, they're not replicae because each one is genetically unique.
mellow depot
they're literally made from a father sperm and mother egg like a normal human
they just aren't incubated inside a huma nwomb
green sedge
Yeah.
mellow depot
test tube baby
green sedge
Which means no need for females to make children.
primal tide
Sounds like cloning with just more steps
green sedge
Better to have them on the front lines.
mellow depot
whether it's cloning or not is mostly irrelevant
green sedge
Cloning means identical DNA, and this is not identical DNA.
primal tide
After a bunch of accelerated generations they're all gonna be the same
vagrant osprey
I have no idea where this "y girl soldier?" thing even entered the conversation, Mr Shark.
mellow depot
with their eugenics program gender shouldn't be much relevant
not enough difference to make a difference, as one might say
vagrant osprey
@primal tide Not true. Would you say that modern humanity is all genetically the same?
green sedge
Obviously if it can hold a lasgun and swing a shovel it's a soldier. Hence they use all of the Vitae-womb outputs capable of fighting as fighters. This is canon.
Being female has no bearing on a Kriegsman's fighting ability.
So they use both.
This is, like, textbook obvious.
Your confusion confuses me.
crisp heath
where can I read about this stuff again
mellow depot
probably wh40k lexicanum
crisp heath
I did check lexicanum but it was really sparse in detail
it did mention weeding out mutants tho and apparently thats incorrect
it cites imperial armor 5 for vitae wombs but I am havin hard time findin specifics within that book?
thick shadow
Reject Krieg gf? HERESY
thick shadow
Cultured. Very Civilized
gray trellis
can i get a uhhhhhh..... a Dora pls
storm jungle
but yeah i found the "no female kriegers should exist" argument weird.
Its 40k, its wacky af, go with your own ideas bro
gray trellis
rotund siren
Yes
plot hole? I think you mean place for me to store my own ideas about what's going on
storm jungle
Best answer
Seriously though if mushroom orks can exist so can practically anything else.
primal tide
So the males wouldn't really differ much from the females to begin with
Not that a reason like that is needed anyway, it just reinforces it imo
thick shadow
And then they all revealed as a femboys
primal tide
🤔
thick shadow
Well, if we doesn't get hit a puberty. We all would looks like gender-neutral or dream of the non-bianary people
So, if they didn't hit a puberty means that they didn't effected by sex-hormones. They would look feminine.
mellow depot
Androgynous would probably be a better word
thick shadow
Anyway, the real question is: Are they have a genital?
Maybe, there's no sex after all on those clones
buoyant crypt
Ill take a quartermaster
buoyant crypt
thick shadow
Thanks Slaanesh, I simp-worship you
mellow depot
They should have genitals
Again they're just test tube babies
Not strictly clones
storm jungle
Yes lol
mellow depot
Not like that
mellow depot
Y u do dis
storm jungle
you started it ye bastard
mellow depot
Nu
vagrant osprey
Oh, they have genitals, but with the testes and ovaries removed they'd develop without any of the secondary sex characteristics that result from puberty.
Assuming they lived long enough for puberty in the first place.
Do remember that people keep remarking how Krieg's soldiers are unusually small.
verbal nest
Talk about a link
vagrant osprey
You're welcome!
thick shadow
primal tide
I just love those ogryn models
thick shadow
The mace only has a 4 sides: No, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
At the very list, 6. 8, ball, disk, would be more welcome.
primal tide
It's because the ogryns fight four the emporer
rotund siren
ogre-like abhumans
kind dove
They are abhumans. Essentially Penal colony planet folks on planets with excess gravity stranded for millenia
verbal nest
Andre the Giant
rotund siren
Humans but dumb, massive, and strong
kind dove
During the dark age of technology. They evolved like that when humanity was isolated and split before the emporer started the Great Crusade. Other abhumans evolved during the dark age’s isolation: felinids, beast men, Ratlings, squats, Longshanks etc
muted pewter
Andre the Giant
@verbal nest oww i see
rotund siren
like, nearly Space Marine strong, but really, really dumb
muted pewter
shrek whose are human
kind dove
Yeah they were penal colonists originally that got left isolated for millenia and evolved to be strong, but dumb.
kind dove
Abhumans in 40k are kinda cool. Longshanks are people evolving on low gravity planets so they are tall and skinny with long arms/legs
And beast men/felinids/canids were supposedly military experiments
During dark age of tech
Ogryns look like possibly a playable class in Darktide
rotund siren
yeah, a class or a character or a who-knows-what
storm jungle
Ogryn are just overall awesome tbh
its their wholesome personality that makes them great lol
rotund siren
ye
what's that fanfic again?
Bob and something?
Where it's the point of view of Bob the Ogryn?
storm jungle
storm jungle
The ultimate duo!
primal tide
They're all lenny from of mice and men
They just want to make emp proud but they don't really get what's going on lol
It's kinda cute but also tragic
Which makes it perfect for 40k
vagrant osprey
I should really point out that during the DAoT the Federation integrated a lot of xenos races into itself.
If there's an 'abhuman' that can't breed with humans, that's almost definitely a xenos species that's been with humanity so long that people don't even know they're xenos.
thick shadow
Ogryn + Felinid = RIPPED CAT GIRL
vagrant osprey
Yeah, except that Felinids can't breed with humans :V
storm jungle
Yeah and its not like its going to stop anyone mate lol
Same argument with female krieg, headcannons are invincible when its xeno waifus
✊ ✊ ✊
thick shadow
Abhumies are not Xenos! They are mutants!
vagrant osprey
I still think it's really creepy that people want a suicidal prepubescent gf.
thick shadow
They may still could under the mighty Man-Emperor's light
vagrant osprey
They must be from the *chans.
storm jungle
Thats kinda the thing with romance in 40k
just dont question it lmao
DEPLOY THE SEED
vagrant osprey
That it's always going to be creepy AF and "Dare you enter my magical realm" shit? Yeah.
thick shadow
vagrant osprey
OOF, oh boy, you're not familiar with this meme...
vagrant osprey
It's not pedo, at least.
thick shadow
Clone ≠ Infant
vagrant osprey
Are we back to talking about Krieg again?
thick shadow
Think about all the movies that has a clone-things
Just adding more
That's all
Or should I bring Fem-Emperor of Mankind and her Prim-Daughters?
vagrant osprey
There's no need to bring up the Emperor's experimentation with his shapeshifting powers in his youth. He's comfortable with his identity.
muted pewter
I really wondered that what is deal with cato sicarius so i opened his wiki page and first thing i saw was this "Even before he could walk and talk, Sicarius was being guided towards the martial arts."
WTF
SERIOUSLY
WOW
i think i read enough
thick shadow
Matt Ward... did you do this?
primal tide
Hey, that's an effective wiki page then
muted pewter
i really lost all my interest to read rest of it
storm jungle
i really lost all my interest to read rest of it
Thats the 40k wiki in a nutshell
lol
primal tide
At least the new lore has given him some character depth now
He's got ptsd
A group of his bros got shrekt in a gellar field failure before his eyes
muted pewter
if this fucker start learning how to fight while he was infant then TTS series correct because HE CATO SICARIUS
primal tide
Stop reminding me of the lamenters 😭
primal tide
Cripplingly so
muted pewter
A group of his bros got shrekt in a gellar field failure before his eyes
@primal tide BUT HE CATO SICARIUS probably got over it in a day
its so depressingly sad
@storm jungle even big E cried
primal tide
Nah, cato has some humility now and is questioning his role when he failed his bros so terribly
muted pewter
good for him but my perception about him probably won't change because HE CATO SICARIUS will be a primarch someday
i saw that potential in him
may be emperor
primal tide
This attitude is why we have to listen to 'i am alpharius' & 'it was the fallen' ad infinitum 😕
thick shadow
Cato Mary Sue Sicarius, the Mattus Wardus
crisp heath
I still think it's unfair ultramarines get the mary sue rep coz of a few instances of bad writing, esp when sm as a whole are always skirting the line of being a mary sue
almost all space marines regardless of chapter are unstoppable killing machines with edgy tragic backstories and heaps of accomplishments to their name
sometimes people aren't gonna be able to write that properly
vagrant osprey
Mary Sues. Like the Lamentors :V
crisp heath
I didn't say they were all mary sues, they're just always skirting the line
even the lamentors are only a bad book away from being such
they're literally all superhuman demigods
every single space marine
vast frigate
And let me be clear on the matt ward shit
Youre an absolute cancer stain if you think its okay to rag on him for something gw did.
He was supposed to write a codex for every chapter and then add some info on their child chapters into those codexes as well, but gw decided that in the last few months they wanted a codex for all chapters instead. He had to rewrite the thing he had a year for in a few months because they changed their mind.
Hes received multiple threats and harassment issues over this.
odd sparrow
The only hard to swallow pill here is that it's totally up to the author, tbh
tawdry walrus
you guys do realize that when it comes to a bunch of writers working on a franchise that is decades old
occasionally some mistakes get made
be it wolfing mc wolf-wolves or spiritual lieges or MULTILAZOOOOOOOORRRSSS!!!! or khornate knights or what not
shit happens
odd sparrow
p much. No fictional universe with as many different writers as 40k is ever gonna be entirely coherent
storm jungle
Yeah in the end its mostly Ward's fault lol
@vagrant osprey
Mary Sues. Like the Lamentors :V
I hope this is a joke because the Lamenters are far from Sues lol
odd sparrow
that's defo a joke yea
vast frigate
Its not matt wards fault.
Get that out of your head.
I hate ultramarines.
But by god stop actively chasing after a: Dead meme, dead topic, disproven topic
I told you above what happened.
He was supposed to write a full codex for EVERY chapter starting with ultramarines. Try rewriting three quarters a year of work in a few months, with no backup information beyond a basic few things youre given, for 7 other legions.
IN A BOOK where you already wrote down most of what needed to be there for the first legion.
hes had deathtreats and online pursuing because he wrote for a company that pulls back way too often
odd sparrow
I don't imagine anyone here could approve of the online harassment/death threats
storm jungle
Yeah exactly
i just dont like ward and his writing
but I know well enough to seperate him from the ultramarines
odd sparrow
there's a difference between memeing about some author for a universe you like and actively hating the man and sending nastiness his way
buoyant crypt
yeah but i think we're missing the point here
thats not the work he wanted to present
thats like the lakers benching lebron, losing the finals, and then everyone blaming lebron and not the coach who benched him
its GW's fault
but years later here we are still calling ward shit and blaming everything on him
storm jungle
crisp heath
buoyant crypt
primal tide
I'm not sure the spiritual lieges meme would have been much more palatable in a different context of a specific codex
But obviously death threats are not okay or ever justified
kind dove
All the ultramarine hate 😦
odd tulip
Daily reminder that nu-Ultramarines are actually pretty dope and their once mary sue characters no longer are
kind dove
Check my Sgt I just started (it’s unfinished don’t mind the base yellow)
Used some necron technical paint to make the screen
odd tulip
Cato Sicarius: PTSD, the stereotype
Marneus Calgar: Daddy issues and imposter syndrome in one neat package
Guilliman: An asshole who doesn't understand the modern imperium, but genuinely wants to improve it
Sweet model, dude. Paint the rope on his Pauldron though!
barren tapir
I think that guillman understand the modern imperium and is disgusted by it
odd tulip
He can't fathom how people came to see the Emperor as a divine and loving being. He personally knew the Emperor, and how much of a scumfuck he was.
kind dove
Bobby G is like “WTF let me die” like so many other examples in 40k
odd tulip
In Dark Imperium he does this whole inner monologue on whether or not the Emperor is actually a god and his resulting realisation is "even if he is, nobody should worship him"
barren tapir
Well, he should have seen it coming, even before the horus heresy there were humans who worshipped big E as a god
odd tulip
Fuckin' lorgar dude
kind dove
Fucking Erebus
barren tapir
^^ This, 100 time this
Erebus is erosponsible for the rise of chaos, but for Big E being worshipped it is all lorgar fault
kind dove
Imagine the Ecclesiarchy knew who set the basis for their current religion lol
Freaking Lorgar
barren tapir
They know, at least few of them know... Also guillamn know
odd tulip
I think they do, they just keep it very very secret
They had that one loyal word bearer in their basement for like, ages, right?
verbal nest
I know what they be
thick shadow
Ogers in 40k
But kinda wholesome dudes
Their heart is pure
And their faith to the Man-Emperor of Mankind is also pure
What a good big boys
thick shadow
Wonder they still have a libido and sexual organs tho
Let's produce humies with the tank!
buoyant crypt
thick shadow
Krieg does, and I heard there's already a... tube? Baby containing and grewing tube?
Thing anyway
I heard, tech-priests using those kind of tech
Only thing we need is a gene/DNA
Now, replace your sexual organs with something more useful!
odd sparrow
GENDER IS IRRELEVANT MEATBAG, I HAVE REPLACED MY GENITALIA WITH A NEUTRON LASER
verbal nest
Ok but what about a heavy flamer
thick shadow
Vaild
crisp heath
Astartes are males only because they are literally war machines
They don't need any gender signs
By design
rotund siren
Well, they are made from regular humans
and just transformed into space marines by the powers of magical science
I mean, science science, totally
crisp heath
Well, real world tanks are made from regular cars. But not a single war tank was painted in pink or purple
rotund siren
You mean Noise Marines?
crisp heath
No, it's analogy on real world
rotund siren
the crux of the matter is, if Space Marines are trying to make more Space Marines, there's not really a reason to remove half of your potential recruits
even if you believe there is a low chance of a woman being badass enough to become a space marine, that chance is still nonzero
and it's only reasoned through in lore via gene seed
so we literally have no reason to argue about it, because we can't
odd tulip
I seem to recall the lore reason being that, since the Emperor is male, it takes a person with the same chromosomes to be compatible with the space marine transformation process. Women put under the process melted
rotund siren
and thus we can't do anything about it
storm jungle
I mean the reality is the first female marines didnt sell well because they were ugly af
So thats why they dont exist in lore aside from a rogue trader paragraph event
odd tulip
And besides, all of this fluff is older than dinosaur dirt, and there's exactly a 0% chance GW is ever going to walk it back
rotund siren
that's hilarious
odd tulip
Especially since SoB and SoS exist now
storm jungle
You never know tbh
We got the primaris out of nowhere
GW is ran by money more than logic
i know female marines would never happen but these guys can go any direction for profits
odd tulip
There would be huge backlash from turbo nerds over female SM, and unfortunately turbo nerds make up a large part of GW sales
rotund siren
:(
odd tulip
Remember when GW put out the statement saying "Hey yeah maybe killing people is a bad thing" and a bunch of morons lost their shit?
verbal nest
Isn't Astartes recruitment supposed to be really deadly? Why do I see so many YouTubers idolise the idea of being one
rotund siren
because they wanna be big and strong and with cool guns
odd tulip
Being an astartes would suck big time
odd sparrow
who wants to be a homicide monk
primal tide
No thank
verbal nest
I already play as Saltz
cerulean wagon
ye it sucks
rotund siren
yep.
tawdry walrus
the recruitment process varies chapter by chapter
but usually yes, lots of aspirants die in the process
cerulean wagon
basically the issue is
SM are the faction aimed at children, big super men in super armour
they are also warcrimes given flesh
verbal nest
I swear the last part of training is having to fight a fully suited Astartes while you're bare naked
Is that not it?
tawdry walrus
warcrime? that´s a fun way of saying "every day for the past 10 000 years or so"
storm jungle
Space Wolves might be the only one id sign up for
verbal nest
It's not a war crime if everyone thinks it's cool
storm jungle
even then i gotta be butt naked and fight previous werewolf aspirants before i can make it to their fortress home
verbal nest
Dilara butt naked 
primal tide
Dude dark angels is literally stand in place outside for a while and mentally fight off the cold the hunger and the boredom
Miss me with that shit
storm jungle
LOL
verbal nest
Sounds fun
storm jungle
but with Wolves you get to chill and feast later
primal tide
At least, that's how it originally was
verbal nest
Emperor's children feast before the battle don't they?
tawdry walrus
Emperors Children are arrogant as fuck tbh
primal tide
They're arrogant but they did earn it
storm jungle
They were arrogant and hot af beforehand tbh
primal tide
sexy rylanor
verbal nest
How much water does a space marine need to survive a day
rotund siren
damn good question
verbal nest
Like, a bathtub?
I get they probably don't need to eat for weeks on end coz they're chad
But water
tawdry walrus
the power armor recycles pretty much all bodily waste
be it sweat or other liquids
primal tide
💩
verbal nest
Blood?
tawdry walrus
or well, let´s not go into further detail
verbal nest
Blood tho
tawdry walrus
sustenance won´t generally be an issue for a spehhs mehreen
primal tide
Ok smegma boy
verbal nest
Age of Smegmar
storm jungle
Up to the chapter
odd sparrow
ur all gross
verbal nest
Up to the chapter? Damn that's creepy
storm jungle
Thats the excuse with any marine practice
What do they eat?
Up to the chapter
What do they do?
Up to the chapter
its kind of their point
verbal nest
Ok so, if Grey Knights are chads, are Custodes mega chads? If so, why aren't they on the frontline of battle
vast frigate
a space marine can survive a month or so without sustenance
storm jungle
Because they arent that many in number
vast frigate
after that it becomes hard
storm jungle
you asked this like 3 days ago
primal tide
Okay but what about now
verbal nest
What do Custodes do apart from oiling their abs
odd tulip
1d4chan does great blurbs on how each space marine chapter spends their day. All jokes obviously, but I feel it gives a good insight to the community zeitgeist around each of them.
vast frigate
clean any rot from his body and re-apply possible nutrients to prevent further degradation
there are 10k custodes on duty
verbal nest
They're just really powerful cleaners then
vast frigate
theres way more custodes in general however
primal tide
So they're all mr clean
vast frigate
The eyes of the emperor are custodes that treck around the galaxy and help humanity
verbal nest
When you say defend the emperor, is that against pskyer attacks or something
storm jungle
Defend against anything really
vast frigate
Theres always 1000 custodes standing in front of eternity gate
together with a legion of titans
storm jungle
Thats if they even make it to the solar system or the outer walls of the palace to begin with
vast frigate
like
the custodians deploy rarely\
Their force multiplier is around 50 marines
and thats before weapons and armor
verbal nest
Are they at the peak of authority in the imperium then?
vast frigate
technically
storm jungle
Pretty much yeah
verbal nest
Chads
vast frigate
they can overrule the high lords if need arises
storm jungle
They even got the permission to de-throne any high lord
primal tide
What if the reason we haven't got Russ and corax back is because the custodes don't want to let them in
vast frigate
to go against
verbal nest
what are the high lords
odd tulip
They follow Guilliman around to make sure he doesn't pull a Horus, too
storm jungle
Lords that are High
verbal nest
High on warpdust
verbal nest
Would guill boi ever pull a Horus tho? I know he's not a big fan of the state of the imperium as it is, but still
odd tulip
Oh definitely not, but the custodes don't know that
vast frigate
Citizen, arbitee, arbitee captain, soldier, sergeant, comissar, platoon commander, Field Marshal, high marshal, planetary leader, system governer, system lord, sector lord, High lord, Custodes, Primarch, Emperor
verbal nest
Custodes: "he's just standing there....MENACINGLY!"
storm jungle
Da Boyz
vast frigate
basically
verbal nest
So a high lord just controls a region of imperium space then?
vast frigate
theres the High lord of mars, the High lord Arbitee, The High lord of Terra and a symbolical chair for the highest ranking custodian
No
these are the guys that rule ALL
Their direct decisions are taken in by ALL other systems
verbal nest
And like...are they cool?
vast frigate
depends
storm jungle
Look at the picture
verbal nest
They look like billionaire boomers
storm jungle
they're walking old men with giant computers stuck to every orafice they have
storm jungle
Ye
vast frigate
The high arbitee is supposed to be very humanitarian, the High lord of mars is so ancient that hes generally not there, but mounted on his fabricatorum
storm jungle
The fabricator general of mars for example is almost as big as a building
they need 6 power loaders to even get him to terra
vast frigate
the fabricator general of mars, or the high lord of mars,
verbal nest
Oh so how old are these lords?
storm jungle
Really old
verbal nest
Emperor?
vast frigate
no
basically..
humans with the perfect tech they have
can live a few thousand years
2/3
maybe 4 if you got a good body and dont take risks
verbal nest
So they're enhanced ordinary humans? How did they get their positions?
vast frigate
luck of the draw
storm jungle
How do politicians get their positions?
verbal nest
I'm learning so much asking you guys ngl
storm jungle
Same deal
vast frigate
The fabricator general was the lord of mars
primal tide
Corruption
storm jungle
its just longer and more painstaking as a process
vast frigate
basically look at this for a second right
A judge in the 40k universe can only do 1 case in their entire life
they prepare 50 years after basic study to make sure everything is ready
primal tide
Amazing
verbal nest
I know this is probably asked a lot, but I'm still confused, what would a person like you or I be doing if we lived on Terra?
vast frigate
So, if a goddamn COURT CASE
storm jungle
Honestly just live in hive cities
storm jungle
terra is a nightmarish mad max land
primal tide
Imagine getting jury duty for most of your life
vast frigate
No Thats terra on reclamation, Dilara
verbal nest
Isn't the imperial city like the size of America or something
vast frigate
Terra ''RN" is a hive city
storm jungle
Palace you mean?
vast frigate
a planet spanning hive city
storm jungle
yeah its the entire nepal continent
vast frigate
the imperial palace is nearly entire nepal
storm jungle
yep also true Ely
vast frigate
its got its own sustained atmosphere
its the most fortified place in existance
to give you an iodea of what youd be doing in the 41st millenium
Take these steps
What is your profession? What did you study? Where were you born?
In my case, im a studying archeologist, Archeology is handled by the adeptus mechanicus
I studied IT and electrical, which is also handled by the adeptus mechanicus
I was born in a normal town
Chances are high id end up somewhere in an explorator group
verbal nest
If I'm into PC Building, and going into IT, do I get to be a toaster boi
primal tide
I'd probably end up a servitor cuz I'm unlucky af
vast frigate
it depends chapin
storm jungle
you're probably gonna work all your life in the bottom of a building
verbal nest
Lmao
buoyant crypt
do i get to be a guard on a pleasure planet atleast
primal tide
Only pleasure planet I know of is the one that's literally a massive fat man
cerulean wagon
i run tech support so id probably just be a tech adept
buoyant crypt
mixed USA
buoyant crypt
WOAH
cerulean wagon
basically just a human that monitors maintanence
and has a single implant, usualy a mechandrite
buoyant crypt
WE STAND
vast frigate
a pleasure planet is something like a whole planet wide resort, chapin
a slaaneshi planet is the man planet
primal tide
I know, just a bad Slaanesh joke
vast frigate
keke
buoyant crypt
wait theres a man planet
primal tide
Yeah it's a big fat guy
storm jungle
Lots of bodily fluids
vast frigate
its a massive obese man in the eye of terror
thick shadow
Huge
vast frigate
slaanesh
vast frigate
remember
thick shadow
Warp
vast frigate
in the warp
buoyant crypt
yeah but like
vast frigate
no laws exist
primal tide
Hes a big glutton
thick shadow
There's a law, it just very chaotic
primal tide
Imagine having a subdermal the size of a continent
verbal nest
Why is there just a big dude in the warp
storm jungle
Because the warp has no laws
primal tide
Wrong question, the question should be, why not
storm jungle
And as said above slaanesh thought it would be funny
thick shadow
A one? or few of loyalist chapter tried to purge that CHONKY planet dude, but they all fall into Chaos instead
verbal nest
Do they have cowboys in the warp
buoyant crypt
idk bro i guess gluttony sin meme
thick shadow
Goat boy-girl ish thing is surly exist, I think.
buoyant crypt
they tried to kill it?
thick shadow
Yes, I think
verbal nest
With what?
thick shadow
with just them
storm jungle
No surprise there
thick shadow
And they came out from his or its mouse later
vast frigate
the idea was to remove the connection under its skull so it couldnt even have the pleasure of being a parapellegic
thick shadow
Fallen into Chaos, of course.
primal tide
It's chaos, spine is optional anyway
vast frigate
depends
look at the new slaanesh models
a harp made out of someone's muscle
and the dude lives
vast frigate
on the other side
primal tide
So we made him an instrument as a joke
thick shadow
They should've just Exterminatus on it, imo
vast frigate
doesnt work
thick shadow
HERESY!!
storm jungle
Also exterminatuses cant just be wasted on suicide missions like that
vast frigate
his skin wouldve regenerated before the fires reached his asscrack
thick shadow
vast frigate
theres a story of a dude who falls in love with a keeper of secrets
thick shadow
Big doom bomb...
vast frigate
guess how that turned out for him
primal tide
It probably has its perks
vast frigate
she skinned and ate him
thick shadow
Wait... ok, I will... respect that dude's taste
vast frigate
nah it aint so bad
it just hurts till you die completely
and then slaanesh will devour your soul for eternity
primal tide
Lmao respect that dudes taste
I bet she did too
thick shadow
more like, goat-ish it
vast frigate
He definitely has goot taste
thick shadow
A furry without FUR
thick shadow
Ultimate Heresy
buoyant crypt
primal tide
Snu snu
vast frigate
what i need you to remember is that she skinned and ate him
and he was in love with her
and she was too
primal tide
Yeah but she got one big titty
thick shadow
buoyant crypt
one tit is pretty sad
vast frigate
and when a day went by where she didn't get enough food....
iot depends Degen
some daemonettes and subsequently the keeper, are female on the full
primal tide
Thats a questionable statement from someone with the name slaaneshi degenerate
vast frigate
most one-titted daemons are former humans
thick shadow
I want a FAIR of them...
buoyant crypt
hmmm
thick shadow
Unbalanced. As all things shouldn't be.
storm jungle
You'd have loved the diaz demonettes
primal tide
Lmao
storm jungle
GW removed them later because a giant fat demon with his guts hanging out wont scar the kids
but TITS? Fuck that shit lol
Not that Im saying id want them back but gore over nudity is one part of censorship ill never understand lol
verbal nest
Nurgloth bad
primal tide
PG13: two utterances of 'fuck' and 12 gallons of gore
R rated: one nipple
verbal nest
Is there a smaller version of him dangling on him
Tf
Clan Pestilens and Nurgle would have a field day
buoyant crypt
why would i like this
primal tide
I like how in age of sigmar all the gods agree that the great horned rat is gross and pathetic
verbal nest
And in Fantasy they all thought he was Mr Clean?
buoyant crypt
he needs rat god buddies
primal tide
He wasn't a big chaos God then so they didn't think about him much at all really
From what I can tell
verbal nest
Lol and he ended up being a big reason for the End Times
storm jungle
Yeah because plot armor
skaven literally did everything in the end times
He was simply the giant rat who made all of da rulez
primal tide
Hahaha
verbal nest
Are there any other "minor gods" like Horned Rat?
Is Lileath(The Lady) a full blown god or just a minor one?
odd sparrow
I do quite like the new slaaneshi designs tbh. Way more androgynous than the previous ones
primal tide
odd sparrow
they look good imo
storm jungle
@verbal nest Theres quite a lot of elven gods
odd sparrow
Warhammer fantasy is full of gods, basically. Way more than in 40k
with elven gods as well as a whole pantheon of human gods
verbal nest
I mean there's like...5 gods in 40k?
storm jungle
Yep
because for the eldar its "lol they got eaten by slaanesh bro"
meanwhile the high elves have like 30 of them
odd sparrow
well uh. pantheons probs
primal tide
Don't forget gork and mork are now present in the warp in some recent excerpt i saw
odd sparrow
lol yeah, basically in 40k the eldar/elven pantheon got eaten by slaanesh. In fantasy it's all intact, and huge
verbal nest
Do the Bretonnians have any gods? Or is it just Lileath/Lady?
verbal nest
Simps
buoyant crypt
slaneesh just ate all their gods right off thebat?
storm jungle
Yep
she literally got fat off of it
in the end times she tried to eat as many elven souls as she could too, thot be hungry
buoyant crypt
were they all just weak af or what
buoyant crypt
thats kindaLAME
storm jungle
YE
primal tide
Probably extra weak too because the eldar were too busy being shitlords to pay attention to them
buoyant crypt
where are feanor and fingolfin when you need them
odd sparrow
yee
buoyant crypt
yes
primal tide
Ye
mellow depot
what hte FUCK
odd sparrow
We absolutely do not need Feanor
primal tide
Hehehe they did a sneaky
odd sparrow
he is a fuckwad and would only make things worse
buoyant crypt
woah woah
odd sparrow
Fingolfin is best boy tho
buoyant crypt
atleast he'dbe out there smiting kids
storm jungle
@mellow depot Bretonnia got trolled Jimmy
odd sparrow
and/or noldor
mellow depot
dilara who are you and why do you keep calling me jimmy
storm jungle
Oh yeah it absolutely is
mellow depot
it's scaring me
storm jungle
also idk man i just like names that start with "J"
mellow depot
lmao
buoyant crypt
i always kill the woodeles in total war as bretonnia anyway
mellow depot
i'm mostly kidding
storm jungle
buoyant crypt
its pretty hard tbh
storm jungle
But yeah wood elves in fantasy are practically viet cong
odd sparrow
Burning Athel Loren is always obligatory tbh
I love the wood elves but it's still necessary
buoyant crypt
that shit hella annoying bro
thick shadow
tag: vore
storm jungle
I remember destroying the oak of ages as grimgor
buoyant crypt
gotta farm up lightning strike first always imo
storm jungle
and renaming it
odd sparrow
plus you can't cheese them cus no walls
thick shadow
AoS's lore seems keep getting worse and worse
buoyant crypt
who
verbal nest
Audacity of Agalar!
verbal nest
Isengard? That's a thing in Warhammer?
storm jungle
No i just find kruber's quotes funny before the ult
though lotr parody models exist in Warhammer if you really want to know
verbal nest
Sauron = Sigmar
buoyant crypt
the dark fire shall not avail youuuuu
mellow depot
flame of udun
verbal nest
For tha Lady!
storm jungle
*zhe
verbal nest
I mean it's Kruber
verbal nest
Kruber may be bretonnian by blood but he's a farm boy in my mind
And heart
storm jungle
and hopefully will be once he finally retires
primal tide
You can take the boy out of the farm but you can't take the farm out of the boy
verbal nest
Let me guess, they raised you as one of their own?
creepy elf laugh
Need a 2 player coop mode where you only play as 2 characters in vt2
So the banter is even more concentrated
Sienna and Elf
Bardin and Kruber
Saltz and sienna
storm jungle
I'd love that
primal tide
Bardin and some brushes
vast frigate
Darktide
last level
we beat the damn chaos cunts
and it all ends off with this
verbal nest
Plz
Toaster boys finding the ancient toaster
The real reason they have servos is for holding toast
rotund siren
that would actually be awesome
I mean, the characters would instantly die
But!
It'd be sick
verbal nest
Deleted message?
rotund siren
what?
mellow depot
There was an unread message notification in this channel despite no message showing up when grim and I checked
mellow depot
It don't mattah
rotund siren
k
vagrant osprey
So, the funny thing about The Lady is that it was a plot by the Elves to protect Elves... but it worked too well
All these humans worshiping Lileath? Yeah, that does stuff. The winds of magic made her into a sorta-goddess
The part where it worked too well is that the beliefs of those humans actually affected her.
So yeah, the elves have their ablative meat shield
But the humans have the WF equivalent of a C'Tan shard.
Lileath doesn't even realize she's trapped and being used. :V
verbal nest
Do psykers exist in Fantasy then? Based off that, i get the 40k Ork vibes
crisp heath
40k gnomes when
gray trellis
why gnomes? Dwarfs are better
crisp heath
Gnomes can fight rippers eye to eye, Unlike squats
cerulean wagon
Na fantasy has mages and the winds of magic instead
vagrant osprey
Fantasy calls them "mages" and "witches"
But they can still get their souls eaten by demons and/or explode in a ball of fire.
primal tide
i dunno if linking to reddit lore discussions is frowned upon here, but i just stumbled upon this excerpt and i love it
thought i would share it because i love seeing tyranids from a more mundane perspective than a space marine shooting them
final spruce
The issue with Tyranids I think is the fact that its hard to write book series from their perspective
Since you know, mindless creatures for most of em
storm jungle
THE biggest issue i think
Devastation of Baal gave some nice perspectives
but in the end zher is right
primal tide
yeah, for sure
storm jungle
Especially when tyranids need to be taped in statis since they're actually incredibly OP
If they were allowed to run rampant with no limits they'd have 100 new bioforms about now
primal tide
yeah, their capacity for rapid evolution is always stated but rarely seen
and when it is, its from the perspective of the pov character saying "this is something new" when we as the reader have already seen it in other materials many times
storm jungle
Perfectly put
primal tide
which is dissappointing
storm jungle
Yeah i think thats the thing
like you cant write an alien
its frickin' hard
so you just need to resort to what you THINK they'd do
primal tide
yeah
i do think that story bit i linked does a great job of shifting focus to more on the horror of the situation those people are in than trying to portray the tyranids perfectly
i hope that sentence makes sense, its awkward because dumb morning brain
primal tide
haha yeah
storm jungle
I think the issue with tyranids as most have pointed out comes from them being the token locust alien race
As you say you cant really give them character
mellow depot
i feel like things being token or cliche is okay when it's the oldest media to have them
storm jungle
Yep also good point
mellow depot
or some of the oldest anyway
like
if they basically were among the first pieces of media to create a trope or popularize it
you can't really be mad at it
storm jungle
Oh no my point i was about to make is in the end they're punching bags
primal tide
to be fair tho.. we could have a genestealer patriarch as a pov character.. but that would be nigh impossible for a different set of reasons than a different tyranid pov
lol
storm jungle
lol yeah
Theres some brief genestealer stuff in like a book or 2 but otherwise not much
primal tide
would be like that version of beowulf told from the monsters perspective
rip and tear, etc
that stuff is better off a bit of tongue-in-cheek fanfiction i think
final spruce
I think that's where the GSC would do goot like Dilara mentionned
Or even from a Brood Brother perspective
storm jungle
Yep exactly
tyranids sadly just have no character to them since its a hivemind
Like the zerg where you get creepy cool dudes like that gene-splicer guy
While with nids its "REEEE"
primal tide
yeah
i want a good brood brothers trailer trash hillbilly story
two of em just set out dukes of hazzard style
primal tide
oh man
do you guys know
i read a comic book style thing a while ago, it was a bunch of orkz just fucking around in flyers for a bunch of chapters
like, top gun style
it was awesome and i have been trying to find it for a while recently
storm jungle
Wait i think i know that one lol
warhammer comics are such a dead genre, i wish they were around more
storm jungle
ULTRAMARINES
final spruce
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
final spruce
Ngl is pretty good looking
And the scenario is not that bad
But c'mon
I think tis time for Calgar to die
storm jungle
Dawn of war 3 right?
storm jungle
Oh yep thats the one
primal tide
big mood
storm jungle
fackin orks
primal tide
i have replaced this panel 250 times