Tzeentch controlling the Imperium means the Imperium has already completely lost. Game over.
#40k-lore-chat
vagrant osprey
green sedge
Yeah exactly. They essentially didn't exist to begin with, they've never been referenced, and they never mattered.
storm jungle
yeah the pronounciation is "zinch"
but i just call him "Titsnitch" thanks to majorkill
verbal nest
Majorkill is kinda bad ngl
verbal nest
He did a Vermintide explanation video and he explained literally nothing
storm jungle
a respectable australian
vagrant osprey
MajorKill is semi-satirical.
verbal nest
Backstories
storm jungle
Wha...
He literally made the video for that
I swear to god i remember him explaining the backstory of each character
verbal nest
Yeah and it explained nothing
storm jungle
So?
verbal nest
Kind of a bad explanation video
vagrant osprey
"Underground rat empire decides to burrow underneath human cities and then invades for the glory of their rat god. Nurgle helps."
There, Vermintide
green sedge
His videos are mostly hentai commercials, so he doesn't have a strong incentive to produce much deep content.
verbal nest
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I come from star wars, everything generally has some deep as hell explanation
green sedge
Oh. Yeah. It's not like that here
vagrant osprey
Isn't a hentai commercial the best place to produce deep content?
green sedge
How are your medichlorians, Grim?
verbal nest
@green sedge over 9000
green sedge
Not even Master Yoda has such figures!
vagrant osprey
Deep as hell explanation: 40k is an attempt to create a universe where things are maximally awful at every step.
storm jungle
I think Big E explains it best in TTS
green sedge
To sell miniatures for a tabletop game
storm jungle
Its a universe created to sell-
verbal nest
Is it vague on purpose?
green sedge
Yes.
vagrant osprey
Yes.
verbal nest
cocks shotgun
If I knew it was gonna be like this, Dawri
storm jungle
Example, why did Guilliman made the mandate of spreading the founding legions?
So players could create their own marine legions
Every faction is like this and tailored that way for example
vagrant osprey
Warhammer Fantasy tried to be an internally consistent world.
storm jungle
The universe is vague to let players fill in the blanks
vagrant osprey
GW gave up and ended that universe.
green sedge
Yeah that works out real well for them...
verbal nest
The End Times happens to be the most interesting part of Warhammer Fantasy (and it pisses me off)
storm jungle
It would be interesting if it was written well
vagrant osprey
Age of Sigmar is just The Adventures of Land Mehrens and their CrossBolters
green sedge
No, I'm pretty sure Bugman's Ale is the most interesting. At least I'm the most interested in it.
verbal nest
It's not bugmans I'll tell you that
storm jungle
I like the aesthetic of age of sigmar frankly
Like its neat and clean
but god id never get into it
I just like the neat models
verbal nest
Isn't Age Of Sigmar just Fantasy Space Marines lmao
green sedge
Oh yeah it looks cool but the lore is warm garbage on a hot afternoon.
vagrant osprey
The Sigmarines are fucking dire trash
storm jungle
Have you seen the 4chan entry for the Stormcast Eternals?
so many fucking joke names
Adeptus Sigmartes
verbal nest
"stormcast eternals"
Seems like a lotta syllables for SPASHE MAREEN
storm jungle
Fucking GW
verbal nest
Adeptus Sigmartes sounds pretty funny
green sedge
That reminds me, I need to make a space marine out of a potato.
It will be my Adeptus Astarchies, and it will know no fryer.
storm jungle
I hate it thanks
green sedge
:D
storm jungle
BOIL EM
MASH EM
STICK EM IN THE WARP
green sedge
Hahaha yea
verbal nest
Samwise got laid
green sedge
Hey he did a lot of walking with serious artificially induced depression, that shit's rough.
verbal nest
I cannot carry you, but I can eat all the Lembas Bread
Fat fuckin hobbitses
green sedge
Ring of Having An Actual Disorder Suddenly.
verbal nest
After playing shadow of Mordor and war, my whole perspective on Sauron and the rings changed so much
green sedge
Hmm. Who, if anyone, would Big E map to in LOTR?
verbal nest
Fun fact, Tolkien is from the city I am and he's based the two towers off of two towers I can look at right now
green sedge
It's Sauron, right? He'd be Sauron?
green sedge
Well he sure as fuck ain't any of the good guys...
verbal nest
Celebrimbor
verbal nest
Ya think he's a good guy but oop you got baited
primal tide
Nah, radagast
green sedge
Gets played by a warp entity super hard.
Nah Ciaphas Cain'd be Radaghast I'm pretty sure CC is like the only one of the big name characters who'd appreciate a fat blunt.
storm jungle
Radagast being a lost primarch makes too much sense
probably from the same genestock as Leman
primal tide
He was struck from the record because he's gross
storm jungle
LOL
verbal nest
Radagast is Sigmar
green sedge
Same with Greyskull from He-Man. Dude just screams primarch.
verbal nest
Radagast is Sigmar
primal tide
Skeletor is the other lost primarch, but he too was struck from the record for cramping mortarions style
verbal nest
Northlander Knight, on your toes, mates!
storm jungle
Funnily enough Skeletor would be more competent
vagrant osprey
Skeletor's very competent in every incarnation. He's just saddled with minions who are useless.
primal tide
Big mood
storm jungle
Horus: Skeletor, brother; I need you to make beachead for us during the massacre on Istvaan. What say you?
green sedge
So, random tangentially related question. What the fuck was Malcador? He can't have been human. Lorgar fucking ragdolled him fifty meters yattaways with his fucking torso sized doom maul and he shrugs it off. That's not a thing humans can do.
vagrant osprey
Malcador was an Alpha+ psyker.
storm jungle
And he even preserved Mona Lisa!
crisp heath
isnt malcador a perpetual?
green sedge
He was off the scale for humans.
vagrant osprey
He was!
green sedge
Perpetuals are just elite humans.
crisp heath
depends on the perpetual
green sedge
JG for example, yeah he's good and powerful but if a primarch hit him he'd fucking die.
Malcador tanks a full on rage smack.
That's in the "not survivable" category.
crisp heath
jg would prolly get back up again eventually tho
storm jungle
It is for Uncle Motherfucking Malcador
vagrant osprey
JG'd die, sure, and he'd look back on that as an unpleasant memory.
But perpetuals recover from death.
green sedge
But if he's a perpetual where the fuck is he now? Did he lose all his immorality coins on the Big Chair?
vagrant osprey
Canonically, Malcador burned his soul out on it.
primal tide
He got resurrected as an undying snail
green sedge
Headcanon accepted.
vagrant osprey
The golden toilet ate him.
primal tide
Useless but immortal
green sedge
Snailcador the Hero!
vagrant osprey
Your toddlers are right to fear the Thrones.
primal tide
So the golden light of the astronomicon is just psychic fart gas?
green sedge
Yes.
primal tide
Children, we are
green sedge
It gets pressurized by all the screaming psykers and ignited by a Custodes with a match standing above the chimney.
That's how they see it in space. nod
But no for real it's canon that the Throne is also a toilet and it's the stupidest fucking thing.
Aside from not executing Angron and Lorgar, those were also stupid things to do.
storm jungle
I bet he really does shit gold with sparkles
At least its not as bad as eldar pooping crystals
green sedge
They kinda do anyways because they, uh, collect the... stuff.
For super grenades.
:|
crisp heath
imagine dying to a grenade made from a god's poop
green sedge
Please no?
verbal nest
What do space marines and people with higher body...body eat daily?
verbal nest
Apparently they can eat rocks
storm jungle
Blood Angels are my favorite since the codex just says they sometimes feed on their serf's blood which is pretty hot since im a woman that likes blonde vampires
green sedge
Space Marines eat MREs with ground up ceramic in 'em, it's pretty cool actually
Yeah the serf feeding is... interesting.
primal tide
Isn't one of the earliest written bits of lore about space marine armor being that it recycles waste into food?
crisp heath
perhaps the real question is not what do space marines eat, but instead, what do they not
green sedge
Frankly I hope not.
storm jungle
@verbal nest Servants
crisp heath
prolly just nids
green sedge
They do not eat barking toad.
storm jungle
Its a medieval term for people that help knights if i remember right
also not slaves, again changes from chapter to chapter
green sedge
No it's a medieval term for people the Lord nominally owned.
verbal nest
Are there any chapters that just eat like...normal stuff?
green sedge
Straight up they're peasants minus rights.
crisp heath
pages and squires usually the people helping out knights
green sedge
Yeah, Space Wolves eat, uh... lots of meat and engine cleaner.
primal tide
Emps children always had pre battle feasts where they'd celebrate their victory before the actual fight lmao
verbal nest
Lmao
primal tide
Classic
green sedge
Ponces gonna party though
verbal nest
Post nut clarity but with food
vagrant osprey
Salamanders eat normal food.
green sedge
P e r f e c t
vagrant osprey
Mostly because they're encouraged to spend time with their families, and keep to their human origins.
verbal nest
Are there any cannibals in the Astartes
vagrant osprey
Flesh Eaters, and yes.
green sedge
Oh hey yeah Salamanders!
primal tide
Night lords?
green sedge
Cuddly marines!
verbal nest
I love how the cannibals get some weird names
What's the most technologically advanced/knowledgeable Chapter? I have to assume they'd have ties with the Mechanicus
vagrant osprey
Salamanders are, I think, the ONLY Space Marine chapter that tries to be home with their family for Sanguialia.
crisp heath
all space marines are prolly cannibals at one point or another unless theyre missing that one organ
green sedge
In 30k eating people was discouraged, but Space Marines do have an organ specifically for digesting memories out of brains they eat, so...
Like, why put it there otherwise?
crisp heath
Maybe the iron hands? @verbal nest
vagrant osprey
@green sedge It can also get things like historic environmental data by eating a chunk of wood.
verbal nest
Lmao
storm jungle
Yeah the Iron Hands also have lots of golden age tech
vagrant osprey
Soil composition by taking a bite of dirt.
primal tide
"2 years ago the rainy season was especially .. rainy"
verbal nest
eats dirt
"Hmm yes, they passed through here 3 weeks before"
vagrant osprey
@verbal nest Err... Yeah, actually.
green sedge
Yeah yeah I know I know but it can absorb security codes out of commander brains so like...
verbal nest
They should use that more often
storm jungle
Yeah i dont think the memory eating thing is dumb
Its as cool as the acid spit
I love it when books use it
verbal nest
Ok I gotta sleep
storm jungle
its so out of nowhere that it makes you go "OH" when you remember it exists
vagrant osprey
Kill some local wildlife, eat their brains, get memories of their targets passing through the area,
primal tide
Rip betchers gland
green sedge
It's awesome it's just evidence that Big E went a little overboard.
green sedge
Saaame
vagrant osprey
All this is evidence that Astartes were intended to wind up being Space Cops after the war.
storm jungle
kind dove
Imagine your extra organs not working - brought to you by the Ultramarine Gang
primal tide
Lmao
storm jungle
vagrant osprey
If Thronebutt ever told them that, there wouldn't have been traitor legions :V
primal tide
Imagine being a giant fucking nerd - brought to you by everyone else
green sedge
... I mean no the Word Bearers were beyond saving
crisp heath
I imagine they would have gone the way of the thunder warriors
green sedge
Imagining that they'd go the way of the Thunder Warriors is what happened in canon
That's the problem.
crisp heath
empy wanted to evolve all of mankind so they'd be obsolete eventually
vagrant osprey
Actually, no.
verbal nest
Thunder warriors, my oldest memory of Warhammer and it turns out they're being rid of
vagrant osprey
They were built to be the Emperor's enforcers.
green sedge
Eeeehhh
storm jungle
Yeah like the Emperor actually felt bad killing them
crisp heath
thunder warriors were the og enforcers and look what happened to them
storm jungle
it was akin to putting down a pet
Since they were literally all individually turning and mutating like the end of Akira
even one of the surviving thunder warriors understood why Big E did what he did
verbal nest
It was at that moment Empy decided to get rid of his humans like a retard
storm jungle
No he made the right choice
verbal nest
I mean his emotions
primal tide
Lmao
green sedge
Yeah was confused for a sec
verbal nest
I can't spell
crisp heath
thunder warriors were prolly equivalent to a penal legion or the last chancers but stronger than a space marine and in power armor
storm jungle
Yeah they were made to take over terra, not go on a star conquest
crisp heath
good for fighting techno barbarians but you cant have them around while rebuilding
vagrant osprey
Yeah, but using your new tool to hunt down and eradicate your old tool, and talking about how you plan to stop doing the thing you're using your new tool for? Not a good plan when your tools are sentient.
green sedge
Eh. Most of them were cancer riddled murder frenzy machines by the end.
vagrant osprey
The Thunder Warriors? Yeah.
green sedge
Yup!
verbal nest
Would a custodes be considered human
verbal nest
Xenos
crisp heath
they're human
vagrant osprey
Custodes are explicitly not human.
verbal nest
Reeeee
crisp heath
they're just another
vagrant osprey
Custodes take offense to being called human.
crisp heath
evolution of humanity
verbal nest
Xenos scum
storm jungle
Demigods is better
vagrant osprey
They will kill you if you insult them by calling them human.
storm jungle
it literally says it in their codex
green sedge
No like... Yeah they get mad if you imply that they're humans.
storm jungle
lol
crisp heath
not homo sapiens or whatever but they're descended of humanity
green sedge
Oh well yeah obviously
verbal nest
Forced evolution?
crisp heath
it doesnt matter if theyre mad abt it
kind dove
‘Umies and Big ‘Umies
storm jungle
Yeah lots of gene-alchemy
barren tapir
Some custodians feel insulted yeah, but not all
vagrant osprey
They're a product of humanity the way that chicken nuggets are a product of chicken.
crisp heath
they can be mad about it and kill you but that doesnt mean they aint humans
vagrant osprey
Custodes are flesh golems.
green sedge
I strongly suggest reading Master of Mankind for insight on the Custodes.
vagrant osprey
"People" is what they are made of, not what they are.
barren tapir
In fact some custodes try to understand humans
vagrant osprey
@barren tapir The Companions, for the most part.
barren tapir
They were also the guys who killed the thunder warriors
storm jungle
Its important to remember that each custodes is different
They arent emotionless walls of gold
green sedge
Yeah they were originally human but the process of becoming what they are robs them of that.
barren tapir
Yeah, each custodians is unique
verbal nest
Custodes vs Grey Knights
storm jungle
Custodes kills em all
vagrant osprey
The Companions are unique among the custodes in that they, personally had custom work done on them by the Emperor.
green sedge
They are what the Emperor made them. Each for a purpose. Each special.
verbal nest
I don't like you @storm jungle
storm jungle
Its the truth lol
Custodes have literally the best equipment in the imperium
grav jets
old terminator armor
green sedge
Custodes >>> Grey Knight no fucking question.
storm jungle
literally one of a kind weaponry ray guns
barren tapir
The Companions are unique among the custodes in that they, personally had custom work done on them by the Emperor.
The companions are the personal guard of the emperor, it is not because they had big e working on them
verbal nest
Custodes are just woke
green sedge
Try 4v1 and maybe.
vagrant osprey
Both are true, Blank.
green sedge
Maybe.
vagrant osprey
Big E custom tailored his personal guard.
crisp heath
Grey knights could pull some bullshittery with psyker stuff, I dont think it would be a stomp
green sedge
It wouldn't be a stomp is what I'm saying
barren tapir
Custodes has access to weapons that not even Ad. Mech. can dream of... Weapons that big e decided to keep to himself
green sedge
It'd be 4v1 an even match.
storm jungle
Yeah imp is right
barren tapir
Grey knights could pull some bullshittery with psyker stuff, I dont think it would be a stomp
Custodes are resistant to warp BS
storm jungle
Yep
crisp heath
nvm then
vagrant osprey
The Imperial House has STCs for Thermic Reactors and Phase Iron, among other things.
primal tide
Plus they were meant to fight with the sisters
green sedge
Which is why I'm saying 4 grey knights might stand a slight chance though.
barren tapir
It has been described like the emperor protecting them from warp influences
crisp heath
yeah but custodes vs grey knights was posited not custodes and sisters
barren tapir
Plus they were meant to fight with the sisters
Not really, custodes were meant to be bodyguards, acting alone
green sedge
No like I can quote you from the book a scene where the Emperor very literally psychically protects Custodes.
barren tapir
I mean, custodes are also trained as assassins
barren tapir
yeah they let loose traitors in the palace for hunts
The blood games are done by custodes, no other can partecipate
green sedge
Yes. Again, can quote, will summarise, dude in full plate snuck into a sovereign's palace unnoticed to kill her.
It's how the book opens
barren tapir
Yes. Again, can quote, will summarise, dude in full plate snuck into a sovereign's palace unnoticed to kill her.
Kill who?
storm jungle
Yeah i love how the lore just hints how Big E cares about the Custodes even if it isnt canon
its one of the best community jokes out there
vagrant osprey
For perspective, the Primarch project was originally conceived of as a way to make equivalents to the Custodes who could be produced in only a mere few decades, who were generally improved, and who were capable of actually being a launching point for his Human Awakening project.
barren tapir
It is true, big e cared more about a custodian than even a primarch
green sedge
No like, he outright is nice to a Custodes in that book.
crisp heath
He shoulda
vagrant osprey
The Primarchs would up being much more powerful than intended, which resulted in the program being scrapped.
crisp heath
put custodes in charge of the legions
barren tapir
For perspective, the Primarch project was originally conceived of as a way to make equivalents to the Custodes who could be produced in only a mere few decades, who were generally improved, and who were capable of actually being a launching point for his Human Awakening project.
Source?
green sedge
He's a dick to Angron but for his Companions he will move fucking mountains. Literally that's how the book ends.
barren tapir
He's a dick to Angron but for his Companions he will move fucking mountains. Literally that's how the book ends.
Yup
storm jungle
Custodes are just cool
barren tapir
Funny thing, valdor wanted the primarchs dead
green sedge
I'm with him. Sorry Magnus.
barren tapir
And primarchs were never intended to be custodes replacement
green sedge
Uh. Well. Not replacement.
green sedge
More like... field models.
kind dove
1 Custodes vs. Khaldor Drago
vagrant osprey
The Primarchs were a tech demo.
storm jungle
barren tapir
they chat a lot
That is only because big e told dorn to fortify the imperial palace, and everything that happen in the imperial palace is watched over by custodes
vagrant osprey
They weren't even supposed to be prototypes, per se, so much as a proof of concept.
storm jungle
@barren tapir Okay not that far
vagrant osprey
The Emperor is very explicit about considering them lab rats.
green sedge
That does indeed happen.
kind dove
Too bad one of them didn’t recommend Parenting for Dummies
storm jungle
LOL
green sedge
O o f
vagrant osprey
OOF
green sedge
^^^
crisp heath
tbf
barren tapir
Too bad one of them didn’t recommend Parenting for Dummies
It is hard to know how a parent should be when you are taken when a little boy and genetically improved
kind dove
Give Mortarion a bath
crisp heath
he didnt even have to kill angron, just help him
green sedge
Page two. One of them was born holding a pen. strangle that one too
storm jungle
Honestly i find that dumb too
green sedge
Page three red boy is best boy?
storm jungle
JUST REMOVE THE PIPES FROM HIS SKULL
you do this stupid "gene alchemy"
yet you cant do that shit
fackin PLOT
green sedge
Straight up they address that
kind dove
Step 3, give Conrad Kurze a bell so he can’t be sneaky
storm jungle
No i know
but like angron realistically could be saved
he only doesnt because he needs to turn traitor
crisp heath
even with the nails in
barren tapir
JUST REMOVE THE PIPES FROM HIS SKULL
Big E could do that, the problem was that then angorn would have a part of his brain missing, sadly it was a very needed part
storm jungle
Yeah again like i said sadly he needs to be a traitor
vagrant osprey
If removing the Butcher's Nails will kill him, lie about the odds of success, do it anyway, and then publicly lament his loss.
crisp heath
like he coulda had him still by saving him and his freedom fighters
storm jungle
as cool as a loyalist angron could be
green sedge
There's more pipes than- yeah the puppet scene. No like, Big E was deliberately choosing not to invest the resources
crisp heath
instead of just him
green sedge
Both parents need to go to Chaos Rehab
barren tapir
like he coulda had him still by saving him and his freedom fighters
This would have been reasonable, but you don't use reason with a tool
green sedge
^
vagrant osprey
Thronebutt should have removed Angron from his experimental pool due to the introduction of the butchers nails as a confounding variable.
storm jungle
green sedge
So he's not just a bad scientist he's also a bad statistician.
storm jungle
But yeah as much as we argue; Angron could be saved, he just cant be because we need him to turn Traitor otherwise the Heresy would be pretty awkward.
barren tapir
Thronebutt should have removed Angron from his experimental pool due to the introduction of the butchers nails as a confounding variable.
You are wrong of you think that big e was conducting an experiment with them... The experiment phase was already passed
green sedge
Hardly. The Great Crusade was a test. His plan was taking on the Webway.
kind dove
Step 3: Don’t put Horus on a pedestal
storm jungle
Step 4: Fucking get rid of Curze
barren tapir
It seems that big e already know what would have happened to the legions, simply he was missing all the events
storm jungle
Step 5: GIVE PERTURABO A HUG AND HEADPAT
crisp heath
the problem with Emperor is he's a diplomat but he's also apparently a complete sperg, he can win over planets with some words but can't like, figure out his sons
kind dove
Nah just put a bell on him so he can’t be sneaky
green sedge
Yeah like... why exactly did he give Curze a military position?
"Oh hi nightmare creature! You're a general now!"
vagrant osprey
In Master of Mankind Emps flat-out says Angron is a failed experiment in front of him
barren tapir
Step 5: GIVE PERTURABO A HUG AND HEADPAT
This... Perturabo always said that what he missed the most was someone who actually asked how he was feeling
kind dove
Try being a Night Haunter when you jingle everywhere you go
storm jungle
God i know
green sedge
Defective puppet actually
storm jungle
its why i get so teary eyed over him the most
kind dove
Shit what we do about Fulgrim?
barren tapir
Yeah like... why exactly did he give Curze a military position?
Because that is what he was made for
barren tapir
Shit what we do about Fulgrim?
Insult him
storm jungle
Honestly though im sure everyone here can agree Fulgrim was just created to fall to Slaanesh
barren tapir
Fulgrim can help us with Eldar diplomacy long term.
Only with his death
storm jungle
hes literally griffith from Berserk
vagrant osprey
Just sell Fulgrim to a boy band corporation and call it a day.
crisp heath
just dont let him get ayy sword
kind dove
But what train him to hate swords got it
storm jungle
Fulgrim was already a playa before Big E found him too
Man went through like 2 wives
vagrant osprey
Exactly.
storm jungle
aging smh
crisp heath
I think its cute that even after fulgrim fell to chaos he kept trying to get ferrus cloned
kind dove
Lol parenting tip: Karaoke machine for Fulgrim
barren tapir
I think its cute that even after fulgrim fell to chaos he kept trying to get ferrus cloned
Only to further his ego by being succesful in corrupting ferrus
kind dove
How do we parent the Alpharius Twins
crisp heath
I think he genuinely cares about Ferrus
storm jungle
please not them
vagrant osprey
Give them a copy of Among Us.
storm jungle
LOL
vagrant osprey
Walk away.
green sedge
The twins will look after themselves.
Do not address the twins.
Do not look at the twins.
Move. Away. Slowly.
kind dove
Lol
kind dove
Someone needs to make a Parenting 101: Big Daddy E edition
green sedge
I think they might be my favorite loyalist faction.
storm jungle
""Loyalist"" you mean
barren tapir
I think they might be my favorite loyalist faction.
That is just because a living saint helped them right?
green sedge
Same as how best traitor faction is Dark Angels.
green sedge
But like... The timeline. The last quotes. The ships in that one game.
It all adds up, they're not being subtle.
They are, after all, second best at subtle.
vagrant osprey
Actual lore: Alpharius (Or maybe Omegon) were confronted by an alien race with a machine that told them the future. If the Emperor won, humanity died. If Horus won, humanity died. So Omegon (Or Alpharius) decide to kill the aliens, declare for Horus, and ensure everybody loses.
green sedge
^Loyalists.
Who everyone is certain are for real the worst traitors.
But you never see them doing good.
Huh. Like they were the Alpha Legion or something.
:|
primal tide
Alpha legion and dark angels are super flanderized and it makes me sad
green sedge
Assume all Alpha Legion plots you catch wind of are bait and you step closer to understanding how Omegon operates.
vagrant osprey
Alpha Legion and Dark Angels both exist so that people can play factions that are probably betraying their own side.
barren tapir
Alpha legion, or at least part of it, still consider themself loyalist, and see them as an emperor test for other loyalist... And if you know a bit of alpha legion history it make sense
barren tapir
Meanwhile, the Lion has a lot to answer for.
Mostly why the warp he didn't set a damned alarm... The boy is sleeping too much
green sedge
He snores so loud it has shaken the alarm clock apart.
vagrant osprey
Eh, it's mostly the whole thing where he took over the Dark Angel legion, bred a new generation of Astartes, then put ALL the Astartes the Emperor picked and shoved them onto one planet while he went out with the ones HE picked.
Then bombed the Emperor's chosen.
Not saying he's Traitor, but Red sus
vagrant osprey
Red did nothing wrong.
Anyway, Dark Angels then decided to not show up when Emps called everybody back to defend Terra.
primal tide
i wouldn't either, fuck that guy
crisp heath
and peeple called the inquisitors on me
crisp heath
Green flashlight man strong, Blue tin-can man weak
boreal drift
Red toaster lover strongest
barren tapir
Dark angels great crusade color was black
thick shadow
They change their main colour into deep dark green after their home planet goes boooooom during civil war between them.
barren tapir
Eh, calling a single battle that shattered their homeworld a civil war is too much IMHO
cerulean wagon
i mean
if its an internal conflict
thats a civil war
especially since it wasnt just the one battle
primal tide
It was a civil oopsie
storm jungle
lol
prisma swallow
sounds like how brits called open insurrection against their government in northern ireland "Troubles"
primal tide
Lol yeah, same vibes
prisma swallow
WW2 was just a "Minor Inconvenience"
primal tide
I would watch the hell out of that
Instead of a laugh track it's the deceiver snickering like scooby doo
primal tide
That is both hilarious and causing me great pain
storm jungle
Its okay we all suffer sometimes
primal tide
Embrace your inner necrontyr
storm jungle
primal tide
Wait, so necrons are just the crew of the black pearl from pirates of the caribbean
I need a crossover
primal tide
They are eternal and everything is lame because of it
rose sand
geam die?
storm jungle
my name is jeff?
thick shadow
What the fuck is this?!
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Pain_Glove
primal tide
Completely normal, what's a little ritual self torture between battle brothers?
storm jungle
Pretty hot ngl
primal tide
Also it's description makes it sound like a vacuum bed
primal tide
Well, okay fine it's a tryhard vacuum bed
buoyant crypt
this sounds very not fun
storm jungle
Actually it CAN be fun
it has a "Educational" setting
Educational - The lowest setting and the only one that can be safely used on unaugmented humans. A Chapter's Aspirants and Neophytes take turns in the Glove at this setting while the company Chaplain lectures them on their Chapter's history, values and faith. The younglings must learn to focus despite the pain, and absorb the teaching imparted.
I love how normal and not insane this sounds
then you fucking scroll down and the last option for the glove is TORTURE
thick shadow
Sounds like SLAANESH
barren tapir
Some IF like to go so hard on them that their nerve get damaged and feel constant pain... Unless it was retconnected
primal tide
It hurts so good, step-battle brother
barren tapir
Also it was something imported by Dorn
thick shadow
Or should I say, Drukhari?
primal tide
Maybe if dorn gets found and brought back he can introduce his sons to ritual hook suspension to aid in their meditation
barren tapir
He would probably admit that he was wrong on something extreme like that, you have to keep the setting grimdark, but without advertising self inflicting pain if you want to get more people hooked and regulamentators off your back...
thick shadow
It sounds more like a "deep dark fantasies" - Van Darkholme than grimdark.
prisma swallow
fisting is 300$
kind dove
storm jungle
and an eldar warp radio
vagrant osprey
Anti-Empyric ammunition
WHOA, hey there! I thought only the Grey Knights and Vindicare were able to get Emperor-poop bullets!
Deathwatch should neither have nor need those!
vast frigate
ikr?
vagrant osprey
Well, 'traps'
It's a daemonworld literally crated specifically to be the perfect heaven for orks.
A place so wonderful they would never want to leave.
primal tide
sounds like a successful trap to me
buoyant crypt
theres no blizzard fan fiction where orks get corrupted by "Chaos"
what is this tomfoolery
gray trellis
how an ork can be corrupted by chaos? how?
crisp heath
there are chaos worshipping xenos aren't there?
like
not any of the main factions
but I swore their were at least some mentions of'em
there were those aliens working with the blood pact
peak hamlet
I think i read in the 7th ed chaos marines codex about nurgle orks who fought against sob and guard and just ate them so they got super bloated and when mortarion and the death guard arrived they exploded and released hordes of nurglings which somehow grew inside them
buoyant crypt
yeah but, did they worship him or did they just get MC'd
peak hamlet
Idk im going to re read the part when im home so in about 4h
But i dont think they worshipped him tbh
storm jungle
Yeah like people forget
even if chaos infect orks they dont last long
its the same reason why genestealer infected orks get beaten to shit by their ork-friends
While they obviously arent immune its still a far fetch to say you'd have active chaos orks around the galaxy with the strict herd mentality they have as a race when it comes to worshipping Gork and Mork
verbal nest
Didn't gork and mork get krunked
storm jungle
No?
buoyant crypt
like one time
storm jungle
Even in fantasy they actually merged
buoyant crypt
way way way back
storm jungle
to become Gorkamorka
verbal nest
Lol
storm jungle
they're too strong as gits to be krumped
verbal nest
Are they like actual gods or?
storm jungle
Yah
buoyant crypt
noooo i definitely remember they lost a fight somewhere
verbal nest
Which race was it that killed their own gods?
buoyant crypt
i mean
storm jungle
N e c r o n s
buoyant crypt
those werent really THEIR gods
storm jungle
they literally enslave their own gods
also yeah true slan
but still kinda accurate
mellow depot
humans irl
verbal nest
Probably elder scrolls
buoyant crypt
harambe
verbal nest
Jesus was fine with it
buoyant crypt
didnt gork and mork get sonned by the emperor
storm jungle
I think so? I cant remember
verbal nest
Godlike being killing actual gods?
storm jungle
those two assholes are crazy in every fluff they appear in
i wouldnt even be surprised
storm jungle
bruh
verbal nest
I imagine they're like really dumb twin brothers that just wanna fuck shit up for jokes
verbal nest
Pog
storm jungle
like no kidding
they just want orks to beat shit up
and have a good time
thats it
buoyant crypt
woah woah they arent really that dumb
buoyant crypt
honestly best gods
verbal nest
Lol wtf
buoyant crypt
I like how heavily they fluctuate power leels
verbal nest
Looks like an ancient Japanese painting
buoyant crypt
yeah they just fight each other eternally
verbal nest
Are there any orks that are normal?
verbal nest
Neat
storm jungle
Normal as in?
buoyant crypt
the only ones that ARENT normal are the shamans
verbal nest
Grail Knight Ork
storm jungle
not wanting to kill everyone?
buoyant crypt
and the really smart ones
buoyant crypt
theres orks that convince themselves they are humans
storm jungle
or work for humies
buoyant crypt
but dont think it would get that far
storm jungle
like freebooterz
verbal nest
Do they actually become humies3 because of ork pskyer
buoyant crypt
no
storm jungle
nope
verbal nest
Damn
verbal nest
It's a shame I slaughtered so many in Spacemarine
buoyant crypt
i like how the orks respect certains things about every single race
but also see all their weaknesses
verbal nest
They respect the krumpin tools
buoyant crypt
orks honestly so OP
storm jungle
Actually a mix of both
also YE
like not gonna lie
when 40k ends
orks will still be around
just killing shit
buoyant crypt
cockroaches
storm jungle
fungroaches
verbal nest
Ngl they should make a video game where you play as orks
storm jungle
bruh that would be wild
buoyant crypt
bro ive been saying that for years
storm jungle
Literally shadow of mordor but 40k
buoyant crypt
you can probably discord search some of our early convos in this server about ork games
we spent hours on it
back when i was Ork Enthusiast 
verbal nest
Like space marine but you're an Ork krumpin guardsmen
Can guardsmen take on orks?
storm jungle
Yeah they can
the problem is
they are literally charging at you as a horde
its why they get usually overrun
a bit like this:
buoyant crypt
i quoted it again later
shadow games were amazing
i wish they didnt end it so weird
left no opening for a new one
they coulda left eltariel out so we could have another game like "Shadow of the Queen" which i thought of on the spot but sounds perfect
where shes hunting down the wraiths and gathering uhhh vengeful elven spirits to her side instead of orcs
storm jungle
tbh guys i just like orcs with machineguns
buoyant crypt
its the axes fer meeee
storm jungle
Where theres a git theres a way
frigid mesa
Can a traitor primarch turn loyal?
storm jungle
As long as the plot makes a good excuse yes
analog ginkgo
Yeah. But he better not be in demon Form...
It could upset the other chapters...
storm jungle
Very gross indeed!
analog ginkgo
Imagine a demon prince of nurgle standing next to astartes saying. "at last we fight side by side again..." hardly believable.
frigid mesa
how about fulgrim clone tho
i think it would be a good fight, demon fulgrim vs clone fulgrim
analog ginkgo
Clonegrim is a totally different discussion.
Imagine khorne berserker and blood angels fighting side by side...
Your really don't want to be on the receiving end...
frigid mesa
i really like 30k pre-heresy emperor children
something about the colors and the way of looking at war
Doing*
analog ginkgo
More interesting question is.
Would traitor marines and traitor primarchs lose their mutations and gifts when they would turn on the ruinous powers?
I say yes. I don't think that the dark gods would take treason lightly.
Next question. Would they be able to survive the loss of their chaos gifts?
frigid mesa
also rubric marines will just go with the wind lol
storm jungle
Again it depends
if a chaos god just wipes their hand and does it then they wouldnt, because eldritch powers™️
if it was anything else for the extra grimdank yeah they'd just die because yeet
frigid mesa
i think it depends mostly of the mutations of their bodies and the corruption of their minds and souls (if they still have their souls)
" The goal was simple – perfection and excellence in all aspects of warfare and study"
primal tide
Tzeench wouldn't rescind his gifts because said defection would be all according to plan
analog ginkgo
Yeah. Interesting way to safe face...
primal tide
Hey tzeench loves sticking extra faces on things to shittalk people, it's in his interest to save face
spare wadi
question, could an ork make a clobba out of a space marine's helm and a handle?
call it a headbanger?
spare wadi
fair
but still... headbanga....
i imagine it would be a nob weapon
now i just imagine an ork using a mini fridge on a handle as a weapon
kind dove
Every weapon is a clobbah to an Ork when it runs out of ammo
vagrant osprey
@buoyant crypt In Blizzard's third WF fangame their Orks have a civil war after some of them fall to Chaos. They turn red.
Remember? Grom Hellscream orders his boyz to drink from a 'chaos-well' (Which was literally a Kharneth blood fountain) so they could krump some wood elves.
buoyant crypt
fan gme
this is about to get super salty really fast
warcraft is not a fan game
they own rights and have greatly distanced the universes
buoyant crypt
the orcs were corrupted for a long time and freed themselves of the corruption which they only actually accepted in the first plce becuase their homeworld was destroyed and they were enslaved
and tbh
they didnt accept it idk why i said that, they were just forced as anyone whos entire world blows up would be forced
storm jungle
buoyant crypt
though tbh, the big bad orcs taking over the forest produced some uh
quality uhh
content
wait my pantsu has degraded in quality
vagrant osprey
The people at Blizzard who made Warcraft: Orcs and Humans said they made it because they were inspired by Warhammer and wanted to make something like it.
Same with Starcraft.
You can say it's not a fangame, but the people who made it said it really did start as GW's stuff with the serial numbers filed off :V
primal tide
It's funny because GWs stuff is just a pile of filed off serial numbers
buoyant crypt
they were inspired by warhammer yeahhhhh
but they are totallllly different
thats like saying star trek is star wars fanfiction
vast frigate
ill say it here as well
Starcraft was the first big studio warhammer game to be
But GW pulled out about three quarters through and uh, well, they needed to do SOMETHING with the assets
buoyant crypt
they did damn good
buoyant crypt
oh idk
it was just an example
same thing
knowing when star trek came out is like the opposite of what iwant in my brain
primal tide
id rather know when star trek will be gone
cold mango
but they are totallllly different
@buoyant crypt they're so different that when someone made a Warhammer MMO, people said the lore and plots were a rip-off from WoW.
buoyant crypt
TBF
the warhammer mmo WAS a copy of wow in plenty of ways aside from the actual lore/race/setting thing
cold mango
so was every other MMO
buoyant crypt
The problem is people who only know one side that can glaringly see the similarities
cold mango
but they singled out the warhammer one for 'copying' lore and plot points
buoyant crypt
but dont know anything other then oh, orcs/elves/humans fighting
i dont know tbh cuz i havnt played it but there are some mmos that literally just have carbon copy areas of wow in them
cerulean wagon
@buoyant crypt theres so much ripped from warhammer for blizzard properties its actualy funny
star craft is just eldar/nids/space marines
legally distinct tho
buoyant crypt
I mean im not gonna deny in any form that the crafts are literally just bought warhammer shit
but at this point right now
other then the races involved they are very different
plus when it comes to the fantasy sied
side*
cerulean wagon
suuuure
cerulean wagon
suuuuuuuure
buoyant crypt
vagrant osprey
Blizzard IS more financially successful, that's true.
If you ignore how Starcraft II was a massive failure.
buoyant crypt
FAILURE?
vagrant osprey
10x more people play Counterstrike than Starcraft II.
buoyant crypt
those are literally completely different
compare starcraft 2 with another multiplayer rts
oh wait its the only one
vagrant osprey
Yep. It's #1 in a ranked list of 1.
buoyant crypt
king of kings
we take that WIN baby
but on that note im VERY excited about the new RTS studio from blizzard employees
we're on the cusp a whole new gaming universe
vagrant osprey
Former Blizzard employees?
Because the current ones decided that RTS games need raid bosses.
buoyant crypt
yes
well
no
when i say blizzard employees its really more WoW higher ups
Oh yeahhh
warhammer/warcraft content coming full circle
back into tabletop lmaoo
and this
primal tide
Reminder that gw renamed a bunch of races because they were too generic to copyright trademark
Orruks ™️ lmao
primal tide
Duardin ™️ :thonk:
odd sparrow
a e l f
Same reason why they have all the not-latin names for 40k stuff
imperial guard isn't so easy to copyright but astra militarium is
or however u spell it heck
buoyant crypt
Tbh their fake Latin is some of the coolest shit I’ve heard ever
barren tapir
I heard that imperial guard was already taken, by the red guys in star wars that should protect palpatine, that is why now officially is called astra militarum, but everyone still call them imperial guard
It is not really fake latin, it is englished latin
barren tapir
You take a latin word, make an english guy spell it and that is the result
buoyant crypt
An English lmao
primal tide
Fancy some crumpets
primal tide
It's also not even anglicised latin because the phrasing and word forms are all wrong too
It's just something that sounds like what someone might think future latin sounds like, there's no real connection besides appearance
verbal nest
Isn't high gothic supposed to be Latin but funky
primal tide
Funky fresh
verbal nest
Radical
buoyant crypt
High gothic is monkaS
verbal nest
Is there a book where we learn about Sejanus?
I think it's interesting that he fuckin dies before Horus Rising even starts
buoyant crypt
Sejuani?
verbal nest
Sejanus
He's some sort of advisor under Horus's command and he got killed when he went to negotiate with a planet leader during the crusade
barren tapir
AH, the false emperor maybe
verbal nest
And in the start of Horus Rising apparently it's a big deal and we read about Loken doing a 1v1 no scope match with the "false emperor"
barren tapir
And the invisibles
verbal nest
Yes yes
And some guy left his hand behind because it was getting in the way lmao
Makes me giggle every time
Do we know in Astartes what that big humanoid sculpture thing on the floor was? I feel like the psykers were trying to make their own killing machine but idk enough about Warhammer to say that
primal tide
I think the creator said that all those relics and the balls were his own creations and don't really match up with anything in canon
barren tapir
It could be everything
Maybe xenos, maybe old human tech to improve psy powers
Maybe a mix
verbal nest
So that dude really did get teleported to the desert place in Fantasy then
primal tide
Also, it wasn't loken killing a false emporer, it was loken telling the story of 'horus killing the (fake) emporer' as a narrative fakeout
verbal nest
I know Loken didn't kill him, he blew himself up, no?
primal tide
And sejanus was corrupted by a chaos daemon, samus
He was part of the mournival, who's seat loken fills
verbal nest
This was the same dude that got killed when he went down to talk with the guys? I read that he got blasted by them
primal tide
I don't remember the specific cause of death, I'm sure someone here does
barren tapir
The emissary of horus get killed by the invisibles when he said that he served another emperor of mankind
The invisibles where the personal guard of the false emperor, which reminded loken of the custodes and were capable to be invisibile to anyone, even to SM's armor senses
verbal nest
I remember yeah
But Loken did see them eventually?
It read that he could see the shimmering where they stand
barren tapir
You can get their location because some subtle change in the spectrum IIRC
You know where they are, but you don't really see them, when they move it is easier to see them
primal tide
Like the visual you see when bumping into a spy in tf2
barren tapir
Yeah, or like the shimmers made by stalkers in killing floor
verbal nest
Fucking stalkers
primal tide
If you're not looking for it, it's easy to miss
barren tapir
And that was with the SM' armor sense focusing on seeing some weird stuff, otherwise you couldn't see them
It was them who were the most problematic to deal when that war broke out
Fucking stalkers
They are not really hard to spot
primal tide
I think horus could see them unaided because primarch eyes
iirc, tho that might not have been in the book
I read it a while ago
barren tapir
The invisibles tech was taken for reverse engineering, but i don't know what happened to it... Maybe it is still in sove vault of the Ad. Mech.
It was clearly old human tech
primal tide
Lol, given to the raven guard who were like yeah we know already
barren tapir
Lol, given to the raven guard who were like yeah we know already
It is similar, but not the same
primal tide
Yeah, just a joke
gray trellis
Gentlemen, i got a discussion for you: How does the shattered world of Krieg get so many manpower if that planet is dead fallout in all aspects, both in "life" and in resources"?
storm jungle
Clones and artificial birthing wombs
kind dove
Tube babies
gray trellis
good
barren tapir
Also underground living quarters, also called extensive underground bunkers
gray trellis
its because not even the mecanicus know how they do it with certainly
primal tide
Mechanicus: "ew babies"
barren tapir
In old lore it was the Ad. Mech. who gave them the tech, now it seems that they "developed" it on krieg itself
For sure Ad. Mech. must know something, otherwise they would be invading it to get that tech
kind dove
The Administratum was like “how are they doing this” but no one really checks up on it
barren tapir
It is not like van saar who are too small to get noticed, Ad. Mech. must know something
storm jungle
Its also one of the reasons why people make clone wars memes of krieg at times
Its great lol
kind dove
Oh I’m sure ad mech are actively helping Krieg produce kriegsman/women. But as the Administratum doesn’t think it’s “heretical” or “producing mutants” and they are exceeding their tithe, they turn a blind eye
Someone is maintaining the clone vats
Someone is maintaining the clone vats
barren tapir
In the old lore it was stated that krieg is the only place were cloning tech is permitted, and the reason as why no kriegman ever take off his mask is also to not show how identical they are
storm jungle
kind dove
I don’t think it’s even permitted, more “as long as your exceeding your tithe we won’t look into it” kinda thing by the Administratum