Space Wolf Furries
#40k-lore-chat
thick shadow
odd sparrow
What's the most overused, abused SM joke
is it haha dark angels heretic or haha space wolves furries
or is it the ultramarines? nothing in particular just the smurfs in general
rotund siren
I'd say the latter
I've only seen a couple of the other ones, over the past few months
storm jungle
the ultramarine jokes have started to die out
now people hate them rightfully for once for going full poster-boy and primaris stuff
etc
crisp heath
people always hate them
crisp heath
its not their fault gw uses them as posterboys
storm jungle
Still
it gets a bit barf-inducing seeing nothing but blue for years
To the point that it affects the literal logo of the game lol
crisp heath
just tune out of it
storm jungle
I cant, i gotta look at r/grimdank and lore daily, I require it in my bloodstream
Jokes aside though yeah maybe one day it will change.
crisp heath
it is unlikely, unfortunately
they always market space marines above everyone else
and in turn, their favored space marines are ultramarines, for whatever reason
crisp heath
I thought it was some red vs blue thing when I was young and had no knowledge of warhammer cause I remember just seeing blue space marines and red space marines with horns at the book store
storm jungle
Thats actually not a bad perspective
but its always about marketing sadly
its the reason why always one of the factions has to be pitted against each other in artwork
Showcases them
Sells well
crisp heath
I dont get why they put sisters against tau instead of like
daemons or chaos space marines
crisp heath
the blue must be kept in balance
as one group of annoying blueberries is overhyped, the other group must take the role of the heel
storm jungle
Too true i think
its why i feel like they swapped the "main" tau posterboys
now its all white-armored ones
crisp heath
I remember in 2017 I was considering getting into the tabletop, but I decided I should hold off until they made new guard models
crisp heath
I think the main new thing that happened for guard models was that forgeworld stopped carrying elysians
storm jungle
Yeah i remember when the Guard were so diverse
I feel old now looking at the forgeworld site and seeing the krieg models
crisp heath
I wish they would make kasrkin and stormtrooper plastics
crisp heath
i wish instead of new primaris stuff they just made marines truescale
storm jungle
From what I guess GW is just on a rush to pump out primaris to replace every existing firstborn marine units so far
If they continue ignoring other factions for another year im sure its not gonna go great
storm jungle
I hope they actually over-inflate primaris value like a stockmarket crash or something lol
crisp heath
there was already enough inconsistency with marine power level lorewise b4 primaris and I think is just gonna make things messier
storm jungle
Same
the funny part is i dont even play tabletop
Im here for lore and art, I just love how neat models look.
crisp heath
same pretty much
crisp heath
i've heard some mentioning of the tau
the tau/necron matchup is practically accurate
the last match i played as tau against necrons they were doing a lot of damage, but for some reason my kroot carnivore meatshields were on performance enhancing drugs or something
took out an annihilation barge, 3 canoptek spiders, a squad of immortals, a destroyer lord, two canoptek wraiths and put a triarch spider to 1w pretty much on their own
odd sparrow
b i r d p o w e r
Tau get bullied so much in artwork. Actually they get bullied so much in general
at least we have waifu AI
primal tide
I also only have some models cuz I think they're neat, I don't have much desire to actually play
Got my box of magnetized kharadron I need to paint at some point
Any kind of motivation is in low supply these days
crisp heath
i love the look of the tau, they're the only group i've been playing and thankfully my brain works in the right way to pull them off well
tau overwatch can be quite terrifying
i wound up tearing through 160 genestealers the other day
odd sparrow
I'm always a sucker for ranged heavy factions, i only play KT but i have mostly tau and admech
The consistently high strength of tau stuff makes them so dependable, though their BS kinda sucks
crisp heath
yeah, they kind of rely on landing 5 markerlights on the shit they REALLY want/need to shoot at
and their overwatch
storm jungle
crisp heath
i mean, with the greater good stacked with coordinated firing arcs and battlesuits having the counterfire defence systems, you can have a lot of firepower on overwatch, all hitting on 5s, with battlesuits rerolling failed shots
this is what killed a shitload of genestealers before they could get charges off in a match i played the other day
if i brought grav-inhibitor drones i also could have outright stopped some charges by reducing the charge distance by D3"
the tau are really good in the time leading up to the fight phase, but once they get there it becomes a bloodbath
storm jungle
And as I said before
I sometimes wish I understood what any of these tabletop terms meant lol
My brain goes far as "cool blue aliens shooting plasma guns dude thats awesome!"
crisp heath
i'm not too much better, i've only been playing the tabletop for like a week
basically, if a unit charges into another unit to get into melee combat, the unit getting charged can shoot back, but you will only land a hit if you roll a 6, this is called overwatch
the tau have an ability called for the greater good, which allows any other units within close enough range to ALSO fire overwatch, as if they were being charged, too
there's a faction-wide ability you pick at the start of a battle which allows shots made from overwatch to hit if you roll a 5 or 6 instead of just a 6
and there's a support system you can get on battlesuit units that allow them to re-roll overwatch shots if they fail
basically, you get a natural huge boost to volume of fire if you have a bunch of units close together during a charge, they have a 33% chance to hit instead of a 16.5% chance, and battlesuits get to retry if they fail any shots
and then there's a drone which reduces how far the charge attempt can go, meaning that if they're far enough away, it can make the charging unit fail to get close enough for melee combat, as well as take a lot of shots
the volume of fire alone can sometimes be enough to wipe the unit charging you before they get the chance to do anything
crisp heath
tau are really decent at defending and attempting to stop threats before they become threatening, but if you don't get the chance to neutralize before something becomes a problem, then you should have meatshields around for it or drones to tank the shots
they're very reactionary when it comes to playstyle, if you do wind up doing any kind of coop campaign, they actually pair quite nicely with space marines, and the greater good can allow you to assist in overwatch on charges against the space marines, too
placid vapor
in your opinion which race is the purest ? I would say eldar, they act like they wanna save the universe by killing everyone lol
storm jungle
Eldar for me too
they kinda see the end of the entire universe's plotline and try to act accordingly to it
while also dying a lot
crisp heath
agri world, garden world, shrine world, paradise world humans, water caste tau
Filthy eldar, they Always Look Clean to the outside but i whoudnt Trust that Race a single Bit.
storm jungle
to quote an elven rebel from the witcher
"We elves truly cannot be trusted your majesty, lol!"
vagrant osprey
The purest subfaction? Exodites.
Slaanesh claims their souls, but lorewise it seems like that'd just be to keep the rest of the 4 from getting them. I'm pretty sure they're inedible to She Who Thirsts.
They have the strongest armor of contempt ever, and we know that works. If she actually ate them it'd be like drinking poison, or acid.
vagrant osprey
This came up in a different conversation:
There are two known sets of ways of perceiving the future: Warp-based, and Materium-based.
Viewing the future via warp-based scrying is inherently using the lens of the warp, and is incapable of viewing things devoid of the warp. These methods of scrying are incapable of viewing any end-state of the universe where chaos loses, as situations where chaos loses involve the warp being radically reshaped in such a way as to make such scrying impossible.
Conversely, Materium-based prescience is incapable of perceiving actions by warp entities. This is most clearly shown by the prediction that prompted the Alpha Legion to declare for Horus and then muck up the war to avoid any clear winner, as that was incapable of predicting the mettling of Tzeench.
That's why nobody predicted the appearance of the Necrons. Materium-based scrying is hard, and the Warp can't see Necrons.
storm jungle
Not unless the plot wants
Thats pretty much the thing with written lore like this. Don't expect GW to remember it much
pastel pebble
vast frigate
its not that they dont remember
they ignore it purposely
40k/30k is vague with reason
storm jungle
Vague?
Theres like 30 years worth of fluff
Im not kidding when I say GW literally forgets half the shit they write sometimes lol
vast frigate
its on purpose most of the time
up to the writer to read up on all of it
GW retcons harder than a grandma bakes cookies
ofcourse theyre gonna forget some stuff, but then they retcon a little
crisp heath
@pastel pebble still one of the most gamer ass things i've ever seen, too damn good, can't wait to see the next chapters
cool that it seems to be based off of actual campaigns happening, and i can totally see lots of other people having similarly awesome stories through their campaigns without the skill or time to put something like that together which kind of makes me sad
last night i played a part of my campaign where my boy's dreadknight walked waist deep into a lava floe, shrugged off a bunch of shots from a drukhari venom and just punched that motherfucker into the lava
crisp heath
How is GW even gonna remember all this stuff
its like the star wars eu pre-disney
just random people drop by and write shit and then leave
you gotta work in good games and mobile games and random books into one canon
the only times thing stay semi consistent is when you got one guy doing all of the writing and moderation himself
there is no such thing as canon with 40k
and that is purposeful
crisp heath
much of the lore is meant to be nebulous and open to having stuff just randomly added that can fit with the general overarching ideas of the lore of 40k, as it makes it easier for players to make up their own stories for their own campaigns, their own factions, chapters, groups, armies, units, whatever
not that that couldn't take place in a more set in stone storyline, but having open ended stories allows for more granularity and ways of trying to tell stories in a way to inspire people to make their own, rather than rigidly follow the story to a tee,
which
can ultimately lead to more sales from people just doing their own stuff for the fun of things
violet eagle
Do note though, in Tournaments if your army is a certain colour you can not run it with rules designed for a different one.
E.g. you can not use Ultramarine chapter tactics if your army is painted n Green or Red.
You have to pick successor chapter.
vagrant osprey
40K: Everything is canon, but not necessarily true.
Except for Draco. That's 100% non-canon.
crisp heath
yeah, that's where canon is actually strict, when there's rules about specific chapters/factions/enclaves/groups/etc/nuts
vagrant osprey
(There are no Callidus assassins whose Polymorphine only lets them turn into Genestealers. If somebody says that's what they are, it's because they are really just a genestealer.)
(Do not have sex with that genestealer.)
odd sparrow
absolutely not
storm jungle
absolutely yes
mellow depot
only if they're hot
crisp heath
3pair of tits, hooves and claws that can Cut adamantium? Sound hot to me
mellow depot
nah
strictly speaking, slaanesh worshippers being anything other than incredibly horrific is a pretty new concept
i blame /tg/
crisp heath
A Matter of taste i guess 🤷♂️ got some nice slaneesh pics, but i think they all Fall unter nsfw
crisp heath
spare wadi
Hot local slaaneshi semen demons want your gene seed
thick shadow
The demons are welcome, as long as they are "feminine"
Femboy daemonette
Tomboy daemonette
Yes
gilded pawn
ahh.... the heresy is strong here today.
thick shadow
Make me tomboy or at least a femboy, Slaanesh! I will give you others' souls when everytime I "got" one!
Tomboy Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour, mmm, yes.
storm jungle
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
placid vapor
Can somebody extinguish this man
thick shadow
That will make me "reborn"
crisp heath
Purge this Heresy in Holy Flaaaame!
thick shadow
I love flame uwu
crisp heath
Apothecaries! Deploy anti-furry gas!
Those felenids will feel the Emperor's wrath one way or another...
analog ginkgo
insert Black Templar gif here
verbal nest
Furrynids
storm jungle
Yep!
verbal nest
Are the custodes space marines that got promoted?
storm jungle
God no
Custodes are what spcae marines are to Guardsman
They were gene-crafted by the emperor himself to be the perfect human warriors
kind dove
They are the glorious Emperor’s handcrafted warriors
verbal nest
So they're....better space marines? I've been told they're like the imperium's police
storm jungle
Not even close no
verbal nest
Man I'm misinformed lmao
kind dove
No they are space marines to the 10th power
storm jungle
Yeah trust me the custodes are fucking nuts
verbal nest
What do they do
storm jungle
Long story short
kind dove
Oil their abs on Terra
kind dove
Courage and Honor, brother
verbal nest
Honour* REEEE
kind dove
Me Gothic no gut
verbal nest
Female guardsman in Darktide?
storm jungle
Tau gf?
crisp heath
🔥
primal tide
Female great unclean one
barren tapir
Female guardsman in Darktide?
It would be amazing
verbal nest
Yes
kind dove
Hell yeah! Wasn’t the 301st Valhallans a completely female unit, and the subsequent 597th a mixed gender unit
crisp heath
something like this. yes
cerulean wagon
yes
muted pewter
hello
i am kinda new to warhammer and really loved it
I want to ask something i keep hearing about
why "magnus did nothing wrong"
??
crisp heath
He did a lot of things wrong
thick shadow
He said that he did wrong too
muted pewter
I ve read that he traied to prevent heresy but what happend after
thick shadow
He used wrong way to deliver a message
muted pewter
how so
ı learned that he made deal with tzeench about something that emperor didnt tell to magnus
i think it was about warp
thick shadow
To rip snd tear the protection thst protects the Holy Terra from the daemons.
It slso blocks msgics/psychics
Magnus were trying to deliver a message with his psychic
crisp heath
Despairing, Magnus then decided to utilise the power of his Legion's greatest sorcerers to convey the news of the impending civil war to the Emperor Himself on Terra via sorcery, rather than using the far slower, but legal means of astrotelepathy. Using an astral projection spell, the spirit of Magnus the Red hurtled towards Terra through the Warp. While in the Immaterium, Magnus came across a Webway corridor that led to Terra but found the barrier impenetrable. But then an anonymous entity within the Warp whispered sibilantly to him, offering to provide the Primarch with additional power in order to breach the Webway. Magnus seized upon the entity's offer, breaching the barrier and bursting into the Emperor's throne room. This act penetrated the powerful psychic wards the Emperor had raised around the Imperial Palace and allowed Warp entities to penetrate the human extension of the Webway and launch an assault against Terra itself, killing thousands of the Mechanicus Adepts who had been labouring with the Emperor on his great work. With this breach, the Emperor's work was undone. Horrified, the Primarch's spirit returned to his corporeal body on Prospero. There, he received a vision from Tzeentch, the mysterious entity that had enabled him to breach the Webway. The Architect of Fate informed Magnus that it was his destiny to serve the will of the Ruinous Powers.
and so on.
kind dove
Yep. Trying to warn Daddy Emporer that Horus was turned to Chaos, but instead ripped up Terra’s psychic defenses and Webway project. He directly led hordes of demons into the Imperial Palace
Good Intentions. The worst execution.
muted pewter
well thats so sad
i really petty him when i read this
oww thats exteremly sad that foolish primarch
and he supposed to be smart primarch as i know
crisp heath
he should have known better. accepting help by a creature of the warp.....
muted pewter
what about lemon burning his planet
couldn't he just redeem himself?
apologizing empror about the mess
primarch life could be more valiuble than a few Mechanicus Adepts
and if the empror all powerfull couldn't he just build webway again
mellow depot
emperor is not all-powerful
crisp heath
opening another warpgate on terra to deliver the message that hes sorry for opening the first one? ^^
i guess they all where just so extremly mad that they dont listen to him and trust was destroyed. i mean they burned his complete homeplanet and stuff
muted pewter
does emperor care citizen life or they worthless like in the 41M
verbal nest
Yes
storm jungle
He thinks about the grand plan for humanity
not single individuals
so not really that much
verbal nest
crisp heath
tbf hes a potatobatterie running the astronimicon in 41k. noway near exciting like the living emperor
kind dove
They had a big trial for Magnus after his blunder
storm jungle
Oh yeah by now the emperor doesnt give a shit about anything
muted pewter
@crisp heath can magnus redeem in 41M
kind dove
Weirder things have happened
storm jungle
also no, not unless GW finally learns to write Magnus well
All Magnus has done is attack Fenris like 3 times
🐺
kind dove
Cuz Leman Laid down that spinebreaker off the top ropes
muted pewter
All Magnus has done is attack Fenris like 3 times
@storm jungle in the last event?
storm jungle
So far yes
Thats the issue with traitor primarchs
the writers usually forget they exist
or they just do nothing at all
crisp heath
i think he whould be directly be burned by inquisitons. horns, redskin, wings, one eye. not realy the primarch a imperium wants. but who knows what GW does with its lore. its not always following a line that makes sence
muted pewter
well he is a primarch afterall
storm jungle
that rank doesnt matter much when you rise to daemonhood
muted pewter
does robute has the authority to disband inqusition
that rank doesnt matter much when you rise to daemonhood
@storm jungle lol
makes sense
storm jungle
also no he doesnt
thats the problem with most branches of the imperium right now
they are ridiculously big to disband
kind dove
Yeah he does, but he realizes the necessary evil of it
storm jungle
If it makes money? Yes
muted pewter
😦
storm jungle
🙂
kind dove
I guarantee they’ll come back
storm jungle
The Lion is theorized by a few people to be the next one to return but who knows
kind dove
Or even Leader of the Scars
muted pewter
can Vulkan return ı like that guy. he looks kinda nice person
kind dove
Vulkan Lives!! STOMP STOMP
muted pewter
i know last time he fought with a orc
crisp heath
yeah some of them are dead. but a lot are just "missing". still waiting on Russ to return 
muted pewter
but what happend aftemath
its just up to the writers
@storm jungle it probably make quite a lot of money
storm jungle
Who knows!
muted pewter
every year they can make another primarch return an idk fiver years or so. they can make an event like avangers movie. İt would create high anticipation
sounds extermly marketable from my point view
storm jungle
Again you need to remember its all about the models
Not the lore
If it makes profit GW will always go down the route of funneling money in a certain direction
kind dove
Vulkan definitely will live cuz he can reanimate from a single atom of Vulkan goo
crisp heath
there are a lot of books, and ever growing
barren tapir
Bold of you to assume that Vulkan (STOMP STOMP HUG HUG) need an atom to resuscitate
crisp heath
so much i had to switch from hardbook to reader, just not enough space on the shelf ^^
kind dove
I’m with TTS Canon that Vulkan is now half orc
storm jungle
I want to see it before its 2099
muted pewter
ı cant afford the books too
storm jungle
Download PDFs!
muted pewter
yeah ı do that
ı downloaded heresy stories other day
it was quite nice i like last church
kind dove
DID SOMEONE SAY HERESY!
kind dove
storm jungle
Horus nooooo
kind dove
muted pewter
I watched if the empror text series i meet 40k with that series
kind dove
Same here lol
crisp heath
its great
muted pewter
i didnt nothing abour warhammer an it is recommened on my youtube feed
storm jungle
better than most GW content by a mile
muted pewter
i didnt know nothing abour warhammer an it is recommened on my youtube feed
muted pewter
i watched entire series and loved it
i remember another question
when robute return to terra
he spoke to emperor as i know
what emperor said
or can he just talk through psyich
or it is just special to robute
crisp heath
just psy. his body isnt funktional to the most part
storm jungle
Yeah its basically rotten
Big E in roboute's narration after the meeting is also said to be just tired and done with everyones shit
He compared talking to the emperor akin to just talking to a star since hes so omnipotent and appears to see the common issues the imperium's dealing with to be meaningless to some extent
storm jungle
Not yet
crisp heath
untill someone plugs out his nice chair
muted pewter
who could unplug him
muted pewter
isnt it that chair is the wall between imaterium and materium
crisp heath
its also the lantern for imperial warptravel. without him running the astronomicon they are send back to the dark age. what whould technicly be there end
muted pewter
it is really sad to see imperium turning into giant bowl of religous maniac.
storm jungle
Realistically speaking pulling the plug on Big E might be worth the sacrifice
the problem is the imperium is already fucked
muted pewter
İts like turkey but larger scale
storm jungle
so it wouldnt help much during the Rift fuckery
verbal nest
Depends
crisp heath
hard to say. i think they controll a lot of area, but that doesnt make them the strongest
muted pewter
kinda look doomed to me
verbal nest
If the imperium got its shit together, they would fuck shit up so hard, everyone would be their bitch
The downfall with the imperium is too much fucky wucky on the inside
muted pewter
@crisp heath yeah my point was that yes i know they have great portion of the galaxy but as man power/technogies etc. are they leading and can hold their status
verbal nest
Side note, in Astartes, who says "Return them immediately" before the inquistor gets bolted. Was it the inquistor saying it before he got corrupted?
storm jungle
Inquisitor
verbal nest
Knew it
storm jungle
Its when he loses concentration too
cerulean wagon
theoretically yes the imperium has a lot of potent technology available and a lot of manpower to weild it
muted pewter
where was that astertes went after sucked into that ball thing
crisp heath
technologic is mixed, they have some real good pieces of equipment, but forgotten how to rebuild it and ceap loosing more stuff over time. while most of there man are just poorly equiped cannonfood compared to other races.
cerulean wagon
however the imperium is not a unified front
verbal nest
@muted pewter nobody actually knows
Although some of us joked around that he got sent to the desert people in Warhammer Fantasy
cerulean wagon
the best way to think of it i guess is like America, its technically one country but with lots of substates underneath that all run and self maintain differently
except instead of 55 or w/e states
its several billion
muted pewter
hmm
verbal nest
And some are more fucky than others
cerulean wagon
theres a lot of the sam political strife and stuff we already have issues with
muted pewter
is ultramar an autonomous state
cerulean wagon
i.e. theres some easier to produce tech that only gets made at tech worlds because its vital tech, so as long as the Adepta mechanicus own the rights to that tech they can control its flow, and use that to gain favours and stuff
Theoretically they could share that knowledge to benefit the imperium as a whole, but they choose not to for their own benefit
muted pewter
why does emperor allowed mechanicus have their religon
cerulean wagon
because the mechanicus is useful
verbal nest
Was the mechanicus actually a religious state before vegetableisation
cerulean wagon
Yes
cerulean wagon
The answer is because the mechanicus were useful
He could not directly fight them initially, so he allowed them to stay as a separate state, as an ally with their own rules and regulations
which is why they remain with so much authority now, imperial personnel technically cannot sanction actions against tech priests or tech adepts
kind dove
Cuz big daddy E created the Mechanicus on purpose
storm jungle
Yeah its kind of an obvious thing
cerulean wagon
they existed before him lark
storm jungle
mechanicus are useful af
crisp heath
yeah he needed them as allies so he sayed do ur thing as long u work with me. something like this.
kind dove
Before the Emperor? Hell no they didn’t
cerulean wagon
they did lol
kind dove
Emporer has been around since BC
muted pewter
and what in the hell is a void dragon?
cerulean wagon
they came from the remnants of the collapse of mars
after the fall of the federation
And yes can, it is the void dragon who is a C'tan, one of the Necron gods
cerulean wagon
no...
kind dove
Yes.
cerulean wagon
the Emporer was created after the fall of the federation
during a ritual on earth
kind dove
he was created by shamans little after the Stone Age
crisp heath
emporer =/= empire
kind dove
And killed the void dragon and put him on mars pre Mechanicus
cerulean wagon
he unified earth and met then met the admech after
muted pewter
emporer =/= empire
@crisp heath how so?
kind dove
He’s been pulling strings on earth since before Jesus
muted pewter
is emperor jesus ?
verbal nest
Lol
crisp heath
one is a person one a "state"
muted pewter
i ve read that somewahere but didnt know it is a meme or real
kind dove
Old lore said yes, but it’s been retconned
Or invalidated
But he’s definitely been around since BC times
muted pewter
ı am a person that accpets head canon
it said he was Jesus' 13th apostle i think
@storm jungle so i accept that
crisp heath
yes the old lore is kind of useless. he been there for long time. but who knows since when and where, all i know is that his roots doesnt exist anymore and got paved over with Tonns of plasteel
kind dove
I think he fights/enslaves the C’tan Void Dragon in the 1400s and puts him on Mars in preparation for the creation of the Mechanicus
Cuz he has INSANE FORESIGHT
storm jungle
SHAMAN POWERS BOI
verbal nest
How did my boi emprah get to mars in 1400s
kind dove
And he doesn’t become “The Emperor” and come out until the Unification Wats
Warp Travel
verbal nest
Was emperor still OP boi back then too?
storm jungle
He was OP from the moment he was born
crisp heath
I dont think he did get to mars
kind dove
Yep always has been
storm jungle
Literally has like the soul of 10000 shamans in him
crisp heath
I imagine it was a psychic battle
verbal nest
Seems kinda dumb he didn't steer humanity better back then
crisp heath
He thought they could guide themselves up until a certain amount of fuck ups
storm jungle
He did steer humanity a lot tho
crisp heath
also its not like he said " here i am" and everyone followed. he had to fight wars
storm jungle
Yeah this is the issue
the lore either skims over a lot of it
or just goes
"big E did this thing"
so a lot of it is just left in the air
muted pewter
as i understand from tihs conversation whole warhammer ip is giant pile of shit pack into a power armor
crisp heath
exactly
storm jungle
exactly
kind dove
He could’ve been learning the whole time too. He must’ve been close during the “Dark Age of Man” when humanity was actually flourishing and peaceful, before they destroyed themselves with the Men of Iron
muted pewter
AYAYAYAAA
@storm jungle hahahahahahahaa
crisp heath
storm jungle
Jokes aside though i think TTS does it best
where the Emperor just says he did shit
and was an asshole
kind dove
Can get the Lorehammer podcast on Spotify
Awesome lore/funny podcast
Really informative
muted pewter
@storm jungle is it real that some of custodes became gey sex gods of aztec
storm jungle
NO LOL
Thats just old lore the only accurate part was them foregoing their armor
which was obviously retconned
kind dove
Rofl my fave Custodes that hasn’t moved for a millennia
storm jungle
muted pewter
they kinda look gey sex gods of sparta
verbal nest
Nice
storm jungle
G O L D
muted pewter
does big E has real child
kind dove
Sensei
muted pewter
are they alive
storm jungle
Nope
verbal nest
Big E has children, they all have daddy issues
storm jungle
Inquisition shot them all with the retcon gun
muted pewter
why
verbal nest
Damn inquistors smh
muted pewter
so ultimate question
verbal nest
No we aren't mental
muted pewter
does inquisition has benefits
verbal nest
Yes
storm jungle
Yes
verbal nest
You get to be a fucking heretic and get away with it
crisp heath
YES🔥
storm jungle
Jokes aside
as comically evil as the inquisition can be
theres actually inquisitors who do their job well
verbal nest
Do inquistors get sexy time
kind dove
Eisenhorn, Vail
storm jungle
Theres one that fucked a genestealer so yes
verbal nest
Wat
storm jungle
You poor summer child
kind dove
@verbal nest Amberley Vail and Caiphus Cain
verbal nest
Warhammer names are wack
muted pewter
it is so fitting
kind dove
Anything Space Wolves lol
storm jungle
GOD HELP ME
crisp heath
The emperor protects
kind dove
Space wolf naming conventions are so dumb
Wolf King, Shadow Wolf, Wolf Priest, Wolf Wolf, Wulfen
thick shadow
See? They are not nordic warriors. They are wolf furries!!
kind dove
I wish they went more Viking naming conventions
Inquisitor Sherlock Obiwan Clousseau comes to mind
crisp heath
the old books are more nordic. ragnar, russ, björn, bjorksten etc
kind dove
Mag Uruk Thraka (Margaret Thatcher)
thick shadow
Still better than For Honor's Cave-Native North American-ish weirdos that pretending as a Nord.
Ork naming is DA BEST
analog ginkgo
Now that you mention it.... I can se the family resemblance
thick shadow
Sly Marbo is what the Man-Emperor of Mankind left as for us last-ish gift. Treat him WELL.
vagrant osprey
Evidence suggests the Emperor caused Old Night to fall on humanity. Intentionally.
storm jungle
And this evidence is?
vagrant osprey
The birthing screams of Slaanesh passed over the planets covered by the Cadian pylon network. They were protected.
Those pylons built by the Void Dragon. The pylon network was the Void Dragon's life work, and he refused to let anything get in his way. When the necrons shattered the other C'Tan, they continued to help him until they ran out of souls to eat and entered their long sleep.
We don't know what shattered him, only that it wasn't the Necrons.
storm jungle
Yeah but where is the source of this
vagrant osprey
Mostly Mechanicum.
storm jungle
Im guessing its "hinted" at more than outright said though
vagrant osprey
True.
Anyway, the void dragon was on earth just before the reinessance started a massive tech-spiral that lead to the most technologically advanced civilization in history.
kind dove
^
vagrant osprey
Sealing the Void Dragon in Mars is strongly implied to be the reason why the machine cult EXISTS.
There is absolutely no question that the Void Dragon was attempting to continue its work.
kind dove
Yep, Jimmy Space has the foresight. He knew the void dragon would whisper to the Martians, and then form the Mechanicus, which would fuel and equip his GLORIOUS IMPERIUM
storm jungle
I thought everyone knew that though
its not exactly big news
Its the same as Arhra being revealed to be Drazhar, everyone already kinda knows
vagrant osprey
If Emps hadn't beaten it up and sealed it in Mars, the Void Dragon would have certainly built up enough pylons that Old Night wouldn't have fallen on humanity.
storm jungle
I still doubt that
A lot of people and lore purists make clear that Big E always had the intention of leading humanity around from behind the scenes
Slaanesh's birth and the pylon conspiracy seems like a bit of a far fetch or too big of a "just as planned"
kind dove
I think he was just supporting my argument from earlier that Emperor existed WAY before Mechanicus
storm jungle
Ah
vagrant osprey
He's the most powerful psyker in history, and explicitly has precognition.
That too.
vagrant osprey
Emps is basically made of ego.
kind dove
I like to imagine he invented the wheel, aqueducts, written language etc
Back in the day
gray trellis
got a question, why the imperium accept that the Adeptus Mecanicus worship someone/something that isn't the emperor?
storm jungle
This was answered up top but because the Mechanicus are INVALUABLE as a part of the imperium
and they also see the Emperor as an avatar of the Omnissiah so its like a 50/50 for them
crisp heath
the imperium is simultaneously harsh and lax at the same time with religion
kind dove
Mechanicus has a holy trinity: OMNISSIAH, motive force, and the machine God
They believe the Machine God is the Emperor
Because once he “healed” a Titan with a mere touch
When he first re-established contact with them after the Dark Age of Technology
crisp heath
the important thing is youre worshipping the emperor, but they dont really seem to care how
primal tide
The father, the son, and the holy spirit
storm jungle
The omnissiah is a really different thing though
kind dove
Yeah the OMNISSIAH is one of the parts of the trinity
storm jungle
when it comes to other human populations who worship other objects as the emperor it pales in comparison to the mechanicus
kind dove
Of the Cult Mechanicus
storm jungle
Yep
crisp heath
like it seems diff planets have basically different religions but they just call their deity the emperor
gray trellis
Hmmmm
storm jungle
Yeah thats why they send old people to teach them about Big E
lots of screaming and 40k bible preaching
gray trellis
interesting, and actually good, more than the mere "just because the imperium needs the mecanicus"
kind dove
Lol Big E just screaming on his throne to 10k years “I SAID NO WORSHIP OF ME”
gray trellis
Big E gonna make a meme about that later xddd
kind dove
Fucking Fatidicus had to start the worship of the Emporer
gray trellis
Emperor: You fucking baboons, i told you no religion!!!!!!!
crisp heath
the Emperor was a heretic
gray trellis
uhhh, that doesnt compute
storm jungle
Says the talking shark
crisp heath
he refused to recognize his own divinity
kind dove
Yes inquisitor, this guy right here^
storm jungle
Jokes aside the thing is
even if Big E dressed up like a barbarian
and had no gold
people would still worship him after he got comatosed
crisp heath
he was a god
gray trellis
The emperor is an heretic because he dont praise himself. All the Imperium:
storm jungle
Look at Jesus for example, the guy was no superhero but people made an entire religion aroudn him
Thats how religions start so it was pretty inevitable
gray trellis
You can make a religion out of this -History of the World i guess
kind dove
It’s all Fatidicus’ fault
crisp heath
it was just a little more artificial cause usually the gods aren't made intentionally
gray trellis
when the Robespierre part came: you can make a religoin out of...NO!
storm jungle
Yeah its basically this ^
People can make worship of a rock worldwide if everyone believes in it
gray trellis
i should be doing homework, but here i am, mememing about 40k lore
kind dove
The last church was a church worshipping a rock lol
storm jungle
id never be late to class for that shit
crisp heath
I imagine if Emperor was to come back somehow, he would at this point recognize he is a god
crisp heath
he was in denial
storm jungle
He would care less about being a god and more of an entity
gray trellis
anyway, going back to the question: That was interesting, what other cool fact 40k got?
kind dove
If he completely dies he can be a Chaos Warp God
Or get horribly shredded in the Warp by the Chaos Gods who knows
I think the unknown is the only reason he hasn’t let go completely
crisp heath
its not about caring or wanting to he a deity, he just is one, he is an equivalent to gork, mork, the eldar gods, the chaos gods, they all were brought about by emotion and the combined psychic force of many souls
if he is not a deity and instead an entity, so are the rest of the gods in warhammer
gray trellis
oh got another question, more like what do you think about it: What do you think that the supermarine chapters became so numerous. I say that was stupid
storm jungle
@crisp heath The term "god" is very loose in 40k
kind dove
My favorite theory is the Ork psychic mind believes the Emperor is a badass and can’t die, so the Emporer is only alive because of the Ork Gestalt
crisp heath
the humans technically have a psychic gestalt as well though, that's why you get miracles from the ministorum and saints
storm jungle
@gray trellis You mean the Primaris?
gray trellis
ye
storm jungle
Primaris really popped up out of nowhere
Robot G was like
yo cawl
pop up the secret stash of marines i had in development since the Horus Heresy
gray trellis
40k needs a reset like "the end of times" to put the lore in a good route again
storm jungle
To be fair the thing is
primal tide
Impossible to do so
storm jungle
Primaris make good fucking money
primal tide
There is no 'good route' for 40k lore, reset or no
storm jungle
also there is
make more eldar models
But only when 40k is going down the shitter will GW execute the setting just like they did with fantasy
primal tide
Eldar models? That's a strange way to spell primaris lieutenant
kind dove
The new Yvraine Ynnead stuff is cool direction for the Eldar
kind dove
And the Harlequin stuff
kind dove
No I mean lore wise
storm jungle
The lore was even worse
primal tide
This is what happens when fans say Ynnead more eldar
kind dove
Wait what happened? I only know a little about the recent Eldar stuff
thick shadow
If Magnus used the right way to do. We could all had an Aeldari gf and femboys
gray trellis
@thick shadow yes
storm jungle
yvraine, the visarch, a solitaire and some other eldar fought it for the last crone sword which is needed to summon ynnead and fuck up slaanesh
they barely killed the demon
then it went
HAHAHAH
THIS IS JUST A HOLOGRAM
AND THE LAST SWORD IS IN SLAANESH'S PALACE
BYEEEE
then the entire ynnari broke up since the situation seemed hopeless
thick shadow
storm jungle
Its fucked up
the worst part is
nobody bought this eldar pack since it sucked
so GW was like
"lol i guess people dont want eldar then"
good job guys
thick shadow
After Matt Ward fuckery. GW is keep getting 📉
primal tide
taps head
thick shadow
In lore way
primal tide
(((big sip)))
thick shadow
I still dreaming about that primaris was just better-scaled model update for marines. Not a new marines.
Sad
ALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS JUST UPDATE THE MODEL, GW
kind dove
Imagining they can improve on the Emperor’s divine pattern Bolter and Space Marine design 😭
crisp heath
gray trellis
blueberries marines
with a toilet seat logo
Btw, this server should use this as an emoji :v
kind dove
Why the hate for my boys in blue 😦
analog ginkgo
Because space smurfs are boooooring Mary sues.
Cato sicarius....
To loosely paraphrase the emperor:
"let them (the ultramarines) fly to the eye of terror with their Gellar fields turned off."
And
"pull the plug on roboutes life support."
kind dove
But Big Papa Marneus 😭
I just started collecting minis a month or two ago... my first model painted
Next on deck.
The boys in blue are the final remnants of the Emporer’s vision imo
Everything else has been twisted perversely
With the exception of the IG, but he’d prob be sad at the state of the IG compared to the Volkite equipped Solar Auxilary of the Great Crusade times
All the other Loyalist SM chapters have weird, dark secrets that deviate from the emperors will
primal tide
What is the scars' secret?
primal tide
Wasn't it just the khan that left for the webway?
kind dove
5 brotherhoods followed him, which can be about 1/2 of all of White Scars, if they use the 10 company standard, but the lore is weak on the White Scars organization
primal tide
Still, I would say the ones that remain are pretty 'vanilla' like the ultramarines, same for IF.. no damning secret, no big geneseed or psychic flaw
muted pewter
I think this suits them
they theme based on rome
rome is kinda perfect
even name of the ultramerines is perfect
they are marines but ultra
primal tide
Careful there fulgrim
barren tapir
More than 300 messages... It was a really good discussion... Some interesting crazy theories too... It is always nice when this channel get used
storm jungle
@muted pewter
Ultramarine is a color
lmao
The "ultra best" part is a good assumption though
barren tapir
And btw, the void dragon was shattered by the necrons... Ask the silent king, he has a shard of the void dragon as personal pokemon/source of power... And he was in exile for a long time... Hardly he could get one shard after Big E "fought" and defeated the coid dragon
There is a theory that the "void dragon" the big E fought was simply a shard... Some souces also stated that big E was incapable to destroy it, others that he putted it on mars... It is all a mess... Which probably will get put in order since we now know where a shard of it is now
muted pewter
Ultramarine is a color
@storm jungle that is extremely logical
which i didn't know there was a color named ultramarine
everday is a new information lol
muted pewter
it is a great coincidence that ultramarine color is the same color with ultramarines which are marines whose great at everything
some wierd moment in lost in translation
biggest "OOOOOOH" moment of my life
@storm jungle it still saying "ohhh" from inside it is an big enlightenment moment for me
storm jungle
muted pewter
still I really had a deep feeling for defending my ultramarines argument.
analog ginkgo
The last space marines, who are actually living the emperors plans and visions are the black templar.
They are on an everlasting crusade to unify and protect humanity (by slicing everything who opposes them into bits).
barren tapir
Black templars and unify and protect mankind cannot be in the same phrase... In truth they may be the farest from the idea big E had for SM
BT worship the emperor as god= bad
BT like to kill pretty much everything is not baseline human= bad
BT has an overzealous hate for psykers= guess what, bad
If big E return he may propably destroy them, or use them in suicidal missions, using them just as a tool, even more than his normal standards
storm jungle
Yeah lets be honest Custodians will always be the only cohort of superhumans Big E liked
crisp heath
The Emperor was the one to fuck psykers over, he certainly wouldn't seek to destroy them
crisp heath
He would likely find the BT's unquestioning loyalty favorable
Custodians have better everything pretty much it seems
barren tapir
what is better in custodians than SM
Everything... SM can live long, but still age, custodes don't... And it is just an example
storm jungle
We dont know
Also no
Their creation process is just incredibly complex and is passed off as "gene-alchemy"
Also every custodian is made with care in mind from bottom to the top
muted pewter
why the fuck emperor create a custodias army then
storm jungle
Meanwhile space marines are basically mass produced
muted pewter
hmmm okey
muted pewter
good craftsmanship i like it
vagrant osprey
Custodes don't age. They're artisanally-made bespoke bioconstructs.
muted pewter
what is the name of little kitten?
barren tapir
AH, thinking that a custodes have only one name
storm jungle
aka we dont know
vagrant osprey
The reason why there are so few Custodes is because they each take centuries of work to make
muted pewter
is it some sort of tts joke or is it realated to lore somehow
muted pewter
okey
storm jungle
You wouldnt really name your golden death-chad "kitten"
muted pewter
i love him he is such a cool guy maybe my favorite warhammer characther
vagrant osprey
Honestly, canonizing Little Kitten would be fantastic.
Sadly, Kitten is too close to being a person to be an actual Custodes.
So he's probably Omegon or something.
muted pewter
is Captain Titus in the space marine game canon
storm jungle
If I remember right yeah
honestly even if he isnt people consider him canon since hes a badass
vagrant osprey
That one is a very hard maybe!
vagrant osprey
Generally, games are in this ephemeral maybe-canon until they're mentioned in one of the books.
muted pewter
game story was terrbile but in warhammer universe and mark storng voice every shit looks great
storm jungle
so yolo
muted pewter
so yolo
@storm jungle loved the spirit
storm jungle
vagrant osprey
That lets them decide if a game is canon or not based on how much money it made.
storm jungle
Or they just forget it existed
vagrant osprey
Incidentally: "Warhammer: Inquisitor - Martyr" is utterly abysmal.
storm jungle
T R A S H
muted pewter
@storm jungle why? i didn't played it but liked how it looks
vagrant osprey
It was sometime around the point where I roadkilled a Chaplain of the Word Bearers and his entire platoon on my way to 1v1 a Great Unclean One that I completely lost any hope that the game would attempt to fit in with the lore.
Inquisitors are not supposed to personally deploy into combat as their modus operandi. And they definitely shouldn't be able to wipe out several thousand Space Marines on their own.
storm jungle
Yeah its just bad for a lot of things
vagrant osprey
They're also not supposed to be able to mow down squads of Knights, or take on five Leman Russ tanks at a time.
They're definitely not supposed to inject themselves with random medical injectors they loot from Daemons of Nurgle.
muted pewter
last part sounds heresy
kind dove
True, @muted pewter Titus isn’t canon unfortunately, he’s supposedly 2nd company’s Captain but Cato Sicarius and another guy were the only captains of second company Ultramarines in recent history. I only k ow this cuz I’m planning on a 2nd compared y Ultramarines army
Though I’m going to have a Lt. Titus in my second company because I love the character
vagrant osprey
Ah, yes. Cato Sicarius.
The person who killed a C'Tan shard's non-physical ethereal essence.
With a sword.
verbal nest
The codex doesn't agree
kind dove
He shot him into the warp technically
vagrant osprey
C'Tan cannot go into the warp
kind dove
Anything can technically go in the warp if you plot armor try hard enough
storm jungle
^
vagrant osprey
C'Tan are to the Materium what the Ruinous Powers are to the Warp.
verbal nest
Was Titus that chad you play is in Space marine
kind dove
Yeah
storm jungle
Yep the chad himself
vagrant osprey
They are emergent properties of the Materium
kind dove
I’m even going to paint the head like Titus for my Lt.
kind dove
So good
vagrant osprey
It's like moving a chess square from its board into a game of badmitton.
verbal nest
Idk man I played on the composite port on my xbox360, I didn't see many pixels
vagrant osprey
It is an invalid configuration of reality
muted pewter
is cato sicarius is op as in TTSD
kind dove
Oh yeah he basically never fails
storm jungle
Any named Marine character is OP
verbal nest
Loken
vagrant osprey
Honestly, I'm pretty sure he's just a psyker with one of the powers the Emperor demonstrated: The power to make people believe everything he says is true.
verbal nest
Ngl Loken should've died like 20 times
vagrant osprey
"Oh, yeah, I killed a C'Tan with my sword. You all saw it happen and were in awe. That's totally what happened."
verbal nest
Since this is the lore channel, I remember that Loken was taken by a group of other marines for some mission, and Loken became one of the founding members for some branch of the imperium but I forgot
verbal nest
Idk, it was when he was extracted from Istvaan
storm jungle
Yeah grey knights
storm jungle
Is that a Van?
verbal nest
No it's a lorry
Ok so
What's the difference between grey knights and custodes, I know that the grey knights are basically the grail knights of the imperium (incorruptible mega powerful psykers)
And they're also the personal army for the Inquisitors
storm jungle
Grey knights are spec ops astartes made to deal with demons
Their geneseed comes directly from the Big E
verbal nest
Big Es coom
verbal nest
Oh and is it true their armour has like a small amount of the emperor's armour in it
storm jungle
Thats the terminator crux you're thinking of i think
verbal nest
I think
vagrant osprey
There are too many Crux Terminatus for them all to contain any part of the Emperor's armor.
vagrant osprey
Also, it's very likely that the entire thing is a lie.
verbal nest
Luetin said that there's probably like a sliver of armour
verbal nest
69
storm jungle
haha
verbal nest
Laugh
storm jungle
god what a 2000's joke
verbal nest
Ok so Warhammer Fantasy is in Warhammer 40k?
Why didn't the emperor just stay alive?
Ok but like, why is Emperor so powerful?
Is emperor a chaos God?
Do you feel stupider?
vagrant osprey
WF is not in the same universe as 40k, according to GW.
storm jungle
Yeah by each question
verbal nest
@vagrant osprey don't answer them
vagrant osprey
I can give you technically accurate answers to each one that would piss people off :D
verbal nest
I do have a question tho
Did emperor make a deal with the chaos gods?
vagrant osprey
Yes.
vagrant osprey
Some Primarchs made deals with the chaos gods.
verbal nest
Yeah clearly
storm jungle
Grim means what deal Big E made
verbal nest
Biggie E
Imagine if Big E just has a constant soundtrack playing for the past 10k years
come and get your love
vagrant osprey
Oh. Thronebutt made a deal that cut out his 'weakness' so he could make clear decisions and be the perfect leader Humanity needed.
verbal nest
What weakness? Being Human?
verbal nest
Lol the retard didn't know that it takes a human to control one
vagrant osprey
That's why his plans all failed; he completely lost his capability to understand humans.
verbal nest
Dumbass
Fucking vegetable
Look where you are know you dummy scotch bonnet
Potato
Fuckin eggplant
vagrant osprey
He is, in fact, a vegetable.
verbal nest
Wait isn't the Star Child the emperor himself? I read that if there was ever another emperor, it would be called the star child
vagrant osprey
Sorta
storm jungle
Question,
Oh. Thronebutt made a deal that cut out his 'weakness' so he could make clear decisions and be the perfect leader Humanity needed.
Where was this said in the recent lore? I remember the novels not revealing anything that happened in Molech much and only that he went through a Warp gate and obtained power/knowledge that he used to create the Primarchs.
One of the recent Siege books im guessing?
vagrant osprey
Yes, and he came out changed. Cold and methodical.
Don't remember atm
But the Mother of the Primarchs said as much
Part of the reason she scattered them
storm jungle
Wasnt that because she didnt want them to become warlords
vagrant osprey
New lore.
verbal nest
GW wild
vagrant osprey
They have a genetic mother.
verbal nest
Why?
kind dove
I need to read that series next so much tea
vagrant osprey
Because they needed to be genetically unique due to how clones work in 40K, and she was a very strong perpetual.
storm jungle
Its a entity said to represent the soul of the emperor
And no its not confirmed to be canon, and is just a really popular theory
vagrant osprey
It used to be explicitly canon.
storm jungle
Yep
vagrant osprey
Now it's no longer explicitly mentioned in the codices, but references keep being made to the effect that it exists.
verbal nest
The Illuminati.....
storm jungle
green sedge
It's now grey area because GW realized how bass ackwards they'd made things by doing it. >.>
green sedge
No.
storm jungle
"The Illuminati are a secret society, existing beyond even the Emperor's knowledge, but manipulating and interpreting the Imperial Will to bring about their objectives."
They are also REALLY old lore
So they dont even exist anymore
green sedge
They're the illuminati, like... that's just kinda it. Very weak lore.
verbal nest
Fuck sake GW getting rid of the good shit and bringing in dumb shit
vagrant osprey
The Illuminati didn't even make sense in lore.
green sedge
^
vagrant osprey
The Imperium is too broken to have anybody controlling things behind the scenes.
And to what end?
green sedge
They were not well written, to the extent they were written at all.
storm jungle
Tzeentch: Am I a joke to you?
green sedge
Yes.
storm jungle
also it was the 90's guys give them a break
they appeared for like a single book
lol
verbal nest
For the longest time I was pronouncing Tzeentch like "Cheench"