I dunno about the codexes, but there are female Sensei.
#40k-lore-chat
primal tide
Female SM would be cool as hell
vagrant osprey
Anyway, Cawl has canonically spent 10,000 years researching how Geneseed works and how to make better Astartes.
The Minotaurs are suggested to be something he made on the leadup to the Primaris.
There's countless chapters of Astartes, and for most of them it's unknown what their lineage is.
storm jungle
Which is again a reason for people to make their own chapters, theres a reason almost every faction has an excuse for there to be multiple variants of themselves so yep
It just fits in perfectly with the plot so woop-woop
vagrant osprey
Yep.
So, lore-wise, there's a perfectly valid reason for female Astartes to exist.
I'm not sure anyone would be able to tell the difference without a medical exam, but still!
storm jungle
Nah im pretty sure they'd keep the female features like stormcasts for artwork and marketing
boobs and other stuff tho probably not
They would all look the same with the helmet anyway in the end regardless
buoyant crypt
what exactly dio you mean no boobs
primal tide
Yeah, it just needs to be a box of heads and gw saying "your dudes / dudettes"
vagrant osprey
Astartes don't have much in the way of body fat.
storm jungle
honestly they perfectly could lol
buoyant crypt
melta gun nipples
primal tide
If each male astartes doesnt need a massive fuckin codpiece, I'm pretty sure female astartes wouldn't have special battle plate requirements
storm jungle
Oh yeah realistically speaking they still would both wear the same armor
not gonna stop r34 but hey
primal tide
Lol
buoyant crypt
they dont need special plates
just like a door that opens so they can shoot their nipple guns effectively
primal tide
Cringe
buoyant crypt
it was dilaras idea
buoyant crypt
storm jungle
barren tapir
While not confirmed it is hinted that geneseed is coded to work with male genes... Why is that? No official reason other than big E never wanted females to be his war tools... I mean, it is canon that Malcador (the Hero) suggested to make half of the primarchs into females so the possibility was there
primal tide
Yeah, the justification is at least as handwavey as any change would be so it's not really a binding reason imho
barren tapir
I think that SoB are the female version of the SM... At least that is what i heard in the comunity some time ago
buoyant crypt
I mean kinda but they are unmodified
barren tapir
Something on the line that it is the same for the custodes and the sisters of silence (those gals rock!)
buoyant crypt
(Still peeved the SoB vr game looks so bad)
primal tide
Sisters of battle are cool in their own way but are kind of a poor substitute regarding lady space marines
Yeah that trailer was the anti hype
devout marlin
SoB are a perfectly fine substitute
They’ve been shown going toe to toe with space marines before and they have no modifications, that’s pretty badass
vagrant osprey
Which kinda makes Astartes look super awful, since they're literally engineered to be peak warriors.
primal tide
Yeah, those instances definitely seem like the exception, and again it's not about being a substitute in battle
It's partly about widening the range of stories, characters, and appeal for the poster boys for the game
storm jungle
The entire reason SoB exist at all is due to a larger female representation factor to begin with
They are badass i agree and its one of the bigger points people point out that if female Marines were a thing in the past the SoB would probably never exist or be as prominent as they are now
primal tide
That's cool and all, but it's kind of a lame reason to not have female astartes
storm jungle
Oh god sorry
I fully agree that the geneseed excuse is just as you say "handwavy"
In the end I'll just blame it on 80's macho flair and their first models not selling well.
primal tide
Haha
storm jungle
Because even as a chick i can agree back in the day you WANTED to see a big guy holding a bigass machinegun firing at aliens
primal tide
Yeah I mean, at the end of the day it's all just make believe but it would be nice to have some lore and official alternate heads/characters
storm jungle
Yep
but hey, theres still companies that sell female marine heads
at least thats one positive
storm jungle
Eurgh i know
like i get porn will exist and theres no stopping it but Tau porn gets really stale after awhile for me lol
primal tide
It's just cringe as hell to me
primal tide
Same with mtg card sleeves with anime girls on them lol
storm jungle
lmao
vagrant osprey
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that humanity runs on cringe.
primal tide
It's not a bug, it's a feature
vagrant osprey
Lore-wise, thronebutt wanted all his tools to be men because he's a chauvinist, and didn't want them to have "troublesome hormones" influencing them.
primal tide
Also something about wanting to play up their rivalry
vagrant osprey
You know. The same reason why 1950s scientists kept testing medications for women on men and assuming their results were valid.
storm jungle
wanting to play up their rivalry
Thats really funny since its what Mal said about female-primarchs too
primal tide
Yeah, there's two different excerpts now which mention this, one in Valdor iirc and another in a different book
vagrant osprey
Yes. And the Emperor said that he didn't want female primarchs because they would be too likely to get into catfights.
primal tide
Amazing
vagrant osprey
I can't stress enough that the Emperor was an absolutely abhorrent person.
primal tide
As if the male primarchs and astartes are above catfights somehow
storm jungle
I'm the sole girl among 3 elder brothers and yes i can confirm chapin.
Its terrible
vagrant osprey
Yep.
The Emperor is good at a few things. "Being a person" is not on that list.
"Planning" is also not on the list.
"Doing the job he was fucking made to do" is also not on the list.
storm jungle
Also for no reason have some faceapped female-primarchs
Its weird how amazing they look
storm jungle
Yeaaah probably not lol
primal tide
Yeah those are legit
storm jungle
Sang, Robo and Curze all look disappointed at us while Dorn is still too busy thinking of fortifications
would still date em tbh
primal tide
Now I'm going to have nightmares about taking curze on a date, thanks
vagrant osprey
I wonder what Vulkan looks like.
barren tapir
Who know, after all primaris are an improvement over firstborn because a guy got the datas and played with them with 10k years... Maybe the reason as why two primarchs are absent is because big E, being himself, actually made two female primarchs...
I mean, sisters of silence must have some sources... And the fact that they were originally from a particular world isn't really a solit story... So who know...
barren tapir
It started as something as much inconsistent as you can make something without breaking it, but it seems that GW is starting to realize the gold mine it can be and trying to make it right... Primaris are the example...
storm jungle
Yep
because money is some good shit
Keep pumping out those [insert-role]cessors
barren tapir
All that i want is some spotlight for my poor guys and gals in the Astra Militarum...
barren tapir
Well, that will make xeno lovers happy, now they are nearer their w... Damn, that will take a lot of effort... w-w-waaiiiffuu... Fiiiuu, that was painful
vagrant osprey
The best part about 40k as a setting is that all the problems are completely solvable if anybody was able to actually make use of what they have, but nobody is willing to actually do that.
verbal nest
Best part about 40k is that if everyone stepped back and looked at what was happening, there would be zero issues
Maybe irl too
vagrant osprey
In the end, the best humanity can reasonably hope for is becoming a client species of the Tau. Not because that's good, but because the other possibilities are far worse.
Yeah, IRL too.
I think the strongest lesson to take away from 40k is to never tie yourself to somebody else the way people have tied themselves to the Emperor.
There will always be demagogues, and they will always fail and betray you.
primal tide
Very relevant these days
barren tapir
Well... I'm not really an Big E supporter, but at the beginning of the GC it wasn't that bad... Sure, dickish actions were made, but it wasn't that bad... Not compared as what it is 10K years later
vagrant osprey
(The Imperium could have literally just absorbed the Eldar in a series of treaties and turned them into weapons against chaos.)
primal tide
Don't forget that servitors are literal nightmare fuel
barren tapir
Still i would really love to see another human civilization that isn't IoM
vagrant osprey
The Imperium uses servitors entirely because Emps was a biological purist and hated all forms of mechanical automation.
barren tapir
I mean, there are, like adrantis five, but they get nuked sadly...
Still it get a lot of time for macharius to destroy it, and it was just a simple system
vagrant osprey
Mechanicus, and the Astartes.
And it took AGES
And they basically did a Zapp Brannigan tactic
verbal nest
Rear Brigadier Zapp Brannigan
Brannigans Law
storm jungle
Blank brought up something really important
the entire setting is set in the Milky Way yet it feels so small
Since it makes it look like the Imperium is the only human faction around
vagrant osprey
That's because GW does not understand scale.
storm jungle
Pretty much
vagrant osprey
Also, we've seen the galaxy. It's named the "Milky Way", but it's definitely not.
barren tapir
That's because GW does not understand scale.
Pauldrons say hi
vagrant osprey
Not the right number of spiral arms, core shape is wrong.
storm jungle
Its pretty much our universe just more over the top.
vagrant osprey
Artists are also to blame for Bolter barrels being 2.5 inches across.
storm jungle
I really doubt they would make it something completely new when characters like Pious even mention WW1-2
also YEP
verbal nest
Are Bolters meant to be smaller?
vagrant osprey
Yes.
barren tapir
I really doubt they would make it something completely new when characters like Pious even mention WW1-2
He also fought during the napoleonic wars
storm jungle
Guy's a chad
Its just that GW as Pseu says is shit at scale
also naming lol
Big E conquering Merica for example
verbal nest
40k emojis but not from this server
barren tapir
Big E conquering Merica for example
Wut?
storm jungle
The unification wars lmao
barren tapir
Ah, that
storm jungle
It actually is called Merica
verbal nest
Wasn't the unification wars galactic scale
verbal nest
Huh
storm jungle
with Big E's beta-marines
barren tapir
The unification war is the unification of Terra by Big E
storm jungle
Yeah the Great Crusade was the giant war that Big E set out to unify on a galactic scale
verbal nest
RIP Sejanus
barren tapir
Big E: ok, i want to remove everything related to religions, it doesn't matter how weak the link is...
Also Big E: how i would call this great war of expasion?? AH ah! Great Crusade! I'm a genius lol
storm jungle
Even Uriah on the voxcast points that out
verbal nest
You talking mad shit for someone within unification distance
barren tapir
Like, he could have called it, glorius conquest or something else, why crusade
verbal nest
"glorious conquest" ok nerd
barren tapir
Are you telling me that something like War of Resurgence is not cool?
vagrant osprey
If you want to know how bad GW is at scale, check the list of events that are dated 999.999M41
barren tapir
They explained that it was because clerks fucked up with dates... GW blamed the in universe chars instead of recognizing their fault
barren tapir
Like, Guillman had to use his free time fixing all that stuff, and even he isn't sure he managed to fix all
storm jungle
I still dont know how the 40k calendar works
i tried to read the wiki and it was the most confusing thing id have ever seen
barren tapir
He and his thousad strong historicae new departement
storm jungle
then again those dunces literally copy paste everything
vagrant osprey
Cadia falls and the cicatrix maledictum tears the galaxy in half. Then the Black Crusade travels from Cadia to lay siege to Maccrag. Then Papa Smurf rises from the dead and fends off the Black Crusade. Then Papa Smurf heads to Terra and "talks with the Emperor". Then Papa Smurf finds a path near the Eye of Terror where the cicatrix maledictum can be traversed and reestablishes contact with the Dark Imperium. Then he conquers the now-in-disarray Dark Imperium and installs a regent (After having previously said that the Second Imperium was his worst mistake). Then he returns to Terra.
Ok, so, it's pretty easy.
barren tapir
The first three numbers should give info about the sources, like it was witnessed, it was reported and how much the sources is reliable IIRC
barren tapir
Cadia falls and the cicatrix maledictum tears the galaxy in half. Then the Black Crusade travels from Cadia to lay siege to Maccrag. Then Papa Smurf rises from the dead and fends off the Black Crusade. Then Papa Smurf heads to Terra and "talks with the Emperor". Then Papa Smurf finds a path near the Eye of Terror where the cicatrix maledictum can be traversed and reestablishes contact with the Dark Imperium. Then he conquers the now-in-disarray Dark Imperium and installs a regent (After having previously said that the Second Imperium was his worst mistake). Then he returns to Terra.
That is some fucked up summary mate
vagrant osprey
The format is 999.999M41.
The first three numbers are the year, 0-999
The period is a decimal point.
The second three numbers are thousanths of a year.
The M41 just means it's in 41st Millenium.
storm jungle
Also thank you! ❤️
I only know the M(number) part since its the most self explanatory
vagrant osprey
There are other things that add things like "how trusted this date is" and "who witnessed it", but that
is the basic date format.
barren tapir
The format is 999.999M41.
The first three numbers are the year, 0-999
The period is a decimal point.
The second three numbers are thousanths of a year.
The M41 just means it's in 41st Millenium.
That is wrong, three digits are for the reliability of the source, and the others are the years
vagrant osprey
Did I get the thousandths and years backwards again?
Yep, I got them backwards. Sorry!
barren tapir
Like, the three digits near m41 are the years, the first three are the reliability index
primal tide
I remember in eisenhorn the first three are definitely fractions of a year
vagrant osprey
That goes from 0-9, with lower numbers being better.
@storm jungle Sorry, it's the fraction of a year that comes first, THEN the year itself. So 000.999M41 would be the start of the year 999 in M41
barren tapir
Oh crap, all my calcualtions were wrong... Damn why it must be that confusing
storm jungle
Thanks again!
ALSO SEE WHAT I MEAN
Can they just explain it to this in layman's terms
vagrant osprey
ALSO! 1/1000th of a year is 8.76 hours.
storm jungle
no wonder adepts go mad
vagrant osprey
So 8 hours, 45 minutes, 36 seconds.
primal tide
Or 5.2 is two and a half
vagrant osprey
So all that stuff I listed above was supposed to all happen within less than 9 hours, even though it involves more than 2 centuries of travel time.
barren tapir
They sure know how to complicate their date recording stuff
vagrant osprey
The Emperor is awful at math
primal tide
The Emperor is awful
at math
Fixed
vagrant osprey
Yes.
I'm pretty sure Adepts go mad because the Imperium writes everything down on scrolls, and compiles it all on Terra.
Thronebutt HATES automation, so things like "searchable databases" terrified him.
Also, the Ecclesiarchy keeps picking sections of the records vaults to purge with fire.
And rather than evacuating them first, they'd really prefer it if the people working in those departments were at their posts at the time.
Basically, people keep talking about the Skaven not being in 40k, but they DID make it in - as the Imperium.
storm jungle
Also remember
adepts have literal civil wars in their halls over the most mundane office tasks.
and shoveling through paper files with actual shovels lol
vagrant osprey
Yes.
verbal nest
Tfw your civilisation hates technology so you basically live in a sorting office made of paper from 10k years ago
crisp heath
I don't get why people are trying to bring in female space marines. In a faction already so ultra inflated with nonsense, just scratching over all the lore and presidence it's had since the start just seems like a stupid idea.
Sisters of Battle are absolutely fine as the alternative and is actually a pretty interesting faction, instead of just slapping something absolutely left-field out of nowhere and cram and force in something that'll probably just look lame because of how they've had to cram it in.
odd sparrow
nobody is trying to bring in fem space marines
it's a dumb talking point brought in by some non 40k fans for easy clicks, which then perpetuates 40k fans getting mad about it as if it was ever an issue
totally in support for more fem models though. We've had female IG in trailers but still has to be a sausage party on the tabletop
odd tulip
I will literally murder a man for female IG models
vagrant osprey
IG is explicitly mixed gender.
Nobody looks too closely at the meat shoved into the grinder ¯_(ツ)_/¯
crisp heath
They should add female IG models more often. It does give the Guard more character. Femboy Death Korps of Krieg when?
odd sparrow
all they have to do is just release very slightly changed sculpts???? i don't understand it
change the figure and the face a little bit, congrats u have female cadians now
they sell like shit
uh, good shit i mean not bad shit
devout marlin
Question is would they randomly mix in the female models among the male ones or would they need to be bought separately
I think that’s why GW hesitate to do it, if they mix people will complain about it and if they separate them people will complain about it
vagrant osprey
Dude, 's not hard. Split the difference.
Sell individual models, and add them to mixed packs. Same as they do other stuff.
If people want specific variants, they either buy them or trade for 'em.
If people complain, ask them why they would dissect sausage :V
crisp heath
Lootcrate Imperial guards when?
vagrant osprey
I'm pretty sure GW has had packs since the 70s.
Granted, the number of variants has gone way up over time since manufacturing has gotten so much cheaper.
nova pumice
I have a lore question if anyone can answer as I’m kind of new to 40k... Can Ork Spores grow/spread in the warp? I would imagine both the Orks and Chaos Factions would desperately want the spores to grow there because that basically means infinity fighting which benefits both sides? Is there anything that points to Orks propagating in the warp?
verbal nest
Female IG models will quickly devolve into another coom model for 4chan lmfao
crisp heath
@nova pumice The Warp is a an eldritch dimension without rules. It exists and doesn't exist, like the inside of a wormhole. I don't really think something being able to grow there and sort of nurse itself is really something that can happen, it's like saying can a flower grow in nothing.
But. Like I said it's an eldritch dimension, so nothing is really finite, or makes sense. Orks probably exist and dont exist there at the same time. When it comes to the Warp, I don't think it has any particular rules, or sense to it. It's why it's 'Gods' are concepts.
verbal nest
Why orks
crisp heath
I guess because if Orks exist in the Immaterium does that mean orks can ever actually be defeated.
Gork and Mork are a thing, but if Orks function and can use the Warp wouldn't that make them by definition a concept of pure war. And thus, be undefeatable?
vast frigate
Let me point out the fact why female marines didnt happen and why changing "a few features" isnt as easy as it seems
Plastic molds are made out of steel,steel master molds are VERY expensive
Now, a soldier builds up muscle and especially a space marine.
There used to be female marines with a slightly alterred breastplate and female styled heads in metal.
These didnt sell well. So gw discontineud them.
As for soldiers in the 41st millenium, the guard has male and female yes, often they are seperated to prevent men and women giving in to urges they shouldn't etcetera. As for more femme models. Theyd wear the same armor, thats why its called standard equipment
odd sparrow
the current cadian models, which tbh should probably be updated in their entirety anyways, have super broad shoulders and v distinctly masc faces. Though i'm not totally sure you even need to change the torso, you could probs just get away with changing the heads
also haven't they not even updated the catachan squad yet
vast frigate
Theyre old yeah, uypdating models happens once ina blue moon for non space marines
storm jungle
Firstly
Stop with this nonsense of "Guard shoved into grinder"
its the most stupid meme ever and it grinds my poor gears
Secondly
Female space marines are fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine, I get that people want them in the lore but we should still be satisfied theres companies that at the very least actually make heads and other stuff for them to put on your marines.
I'd say its a lot better than having nothing.
Also @nova pumice Im late but I highly suggest you read about Tuska Daemonkilla: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Tuska_Daemon-Killa
Probably one of the rarer instances of orks/chaos together
storm jungle
I was almost about to say "are those plants pineapple grenades"
but i wouldnt be surprised, its Catachan
barren tapir
Also adding on female chars there is this one also
A blank investigator of necmonunda enforcers
analog ginkgo
I think one element of Warhammer more is pretty much left out.
Utility crew of space marine installations and spacecrafts.
Ships don't maintain themselves and since there are only up to 1000 space marines per chapter available, they can't do all the work by themselves.
We know that those troops and service personel exists but it's rarely topic of discussions.
storm jungle
Again dont ever follow that rule
Its stupid and almost everyone on the community agrees "1000 per chapter" is ridiculous and makes so many plot holes.
also Black Templars exist sooo
analog ginkgo
Off course it is ridiculous but even if there are more than 1000 battlebrothers in a chapter, they can't keep the ships running all by themselves.
And the BT are a totally different subject.
Especially the BT would rely on masses of support staff to keep their fleets running.
storm jungle
Oh no i totally agree
mellow depot
Are we talking about like
mellow depot
The maintenance guys
In the ships
That actually fix steam lines and shit
Because I thought I'd heard it's to the point that like there are even weird little sewer villages and junk like that on a lot of them
storm jungle
Oh my god really
thats as funny as the older lore where every macro-cannon shell was hauled into loaders by ropes like its ancient egypt
but yeah i think thats what KaLeu is referencing
mellow depot
Yeah I mean just due to the ridiculous and outright silly size of these frigates
There are lile
Thousands of people
Making shit work
And so like
analog ginkgo
We still.have to differentiate between the imperial navy and the Adeptus Astartes.
The navy has tons of crew and that part is actually pretty well documented.
On the space marine side however. .
mellow depot
You have like miniature villages
Well I mean there strictly has to be like
A navigator and maintenance men
Space marines aren't gonna be turning wrenches and wiring things
They're too big lmao
storm jungle
Yeah the thing with the "crew" is unless you're a higher up no narrative will ever mention you
mellow depot
Yeah
storm jungle
Thats why the lower crew are so unheard of since nobody covers them
storm jungle
Yep perfectly put
mellow depot
Imagine being the 6th generation in your family line to be on this ship without touching an actual fucking planet
And having to shoot giant rats
With a lasgun
Deep in the bowels of this ship
storm jungle
Thats why I love it tbh, its so fucking bizarrely morbid
and thats just a NORMAL ship
You got hulking continental ships like Big E's flagship for example. The examples are endless
god knows what people get up to down in its bowels
storm jungle
Exactly lol
also works with plot tape but shhhhh
but yeah in the end the purpose of a lower crew in any 40k book is to:
**- Die to invaders on the ship and be mentioned in a single sentence as having been killed in drows
- Complain about conditions and get sh**ot
otherwise I dont think any book covers them beyond these two examples
mellow depot
You could basically have almost-necromunda on one of these ships
Bunch of ragged tweakers that inherited servitude from their great grandfathers and have no idea what's going on outside the few decks they've been to
storm jungle
Perfectly put again
storm jungle
mellow depot
Jk
storm jungle
I always want to learn more about imperial ships but the 40k wiki is a goddamn nightmare to go through
repeating the same crap in every paragraph because they probably have no editors
analog ginkgo
I found the first Astartes video pretty nice in that regard.
Tight spaces and lots of crew doing their tasks.
storm jungle
Dangit
I was avoiding referencing that lol
but yeah its pretty adorable how the crew just hug the walls as they pass through
analog ginkgo
It is off course only a fan made video but imho, it was perfect regarding the atmosphere.
storm jungle
Yeah you can tell every short shot was planned and done over a few hours
cerulean wagon
I think i touched it before but outside of the immunity of the SM its a perfect set of animations
storm jungle
I think the aspect of them being almost invincible was to subvert the last part.
Where we are like "oh yeah they are kicking ass"
then whoops ELDRITCH TIME
mellow depot
Right, they put them over
cerulean wagon
i know but like they flat just
take autocannon and multilas fire
and shrug it off
cerulean wagon
they dont for the first one lol
it just bounces off his shoulder
and they keep walking
but ye im in agreement thatt he lower end imperial stuff is super interesting
the nobodies living the every day
and depending on what world thats from, your everyday could just be modern life
or it could be a shelled hellhole in the jaws of chaos but still kicking
i should run a demon world campaign at some point
storm jungle
Yeah the thing is
40k handles other worlds really poorly
its literally just "x-faction destroyed x-world"
then poof
Its the same as a giant planet having a single biome
cerulean wagon
i think 40k sufferd the same issue anything with a canon storyline does
theres specific races and ideas that are popular
so those take the forefront and are what drive it
storm jungle
Yep its the greatest strength of the setting and its weakness for me
i feel like its the reason why we'll never get stuff like Xenology anymore
cerulean wagon
the thing that keeps 40k rolling though id the writers
storm jungle
and artwork!
cerulean wagon
theres enough high quality booke that dont follow that principle
like sure irl there are full desert worlds and ice worlds n stuff
analog ginkgo
I mean... you have to hug the walls. Not because the space marines deserve it, but because they cant squeeze in.
Albeit, they do their very best to make space.
It shows a certain amount of mutual respect.
cerulean wagon
but i like the books covering cool concepts
like a ring world
where half the planet is 24/7 sunlight
the other half night time
and theres a ring of comfortably habitable land along the equator
because rotation n stuff
storm jungle
It makes me wish they consulted experts on stuff like that tbh
cerulean wagon
like its there and covered that worlds can be earth like, and people are people and a placr can have more depth than "hur hur sm shoot csm"
storm jungle
it would make it a lot cooler to get some plausible yet haunting worlds ya know
also more depth than "hur hur sm shoot csm"
if only
cerulean wagon
there are a few tbf
but at the same time
what takes centre stage is UM and their crusade
cause primaris being meta brings in the big dolla
storm jungle
Yeah, its the reason 40k has gotten so stale for me tbh
Im just here for the artwork/ lore lol
cerulean wagon
same
storm jungle
not (insert-role)cessors
cerulean wagon
lore, artwork, side content
storm jungle
^^^^
vernal belfry
and memes ?
cerulean wagon
sfun
some memes
most of the memes annoy me now because people forget they are memes and that it doesnt work like that
storm jungle
SO TRUE
cerulean wagon
ye im still hung up on people not knowing IG use plasma
storm jungle
or you know
cerulean wagon
hur hur flashlights
cerulean wagon
mhmm
storm jungle
not as bad as the Alpha Legion memes at least
it makes me wish the chapter didnt exist lol
storm jungle
Its why I really love their books too!
cerulean wagon
massivley diverse with a whole host of tactics and equipment
Ye they definetly have the best books imo
but most people ignore that so a bit spooked
storm jungle
too true
vernal belfry
Considering the work that has been done in VT, I'm rather confident they can pull off an interesting back story for whatever grunts we will be playing as
cerulean wagon
my concern isnt even backstory n stuff, im sure thatll be amazing
my concern is equipment
Las is amazing tech, real cool and very effective
most people would say otherwise tho
storm jungle
🔦
vernal belfry
Oh that would be dramatic if they failed that yeah. Considering all that is available to the IG, it would be a shame to have too little options
cerulean wagon
vernal belfry
Well lasgun are effective but not universally effective, as with most IG weapons. So I reaaaaally hope we'll be able to mix up our arsenal to combat most threats
cerulean wagon
Lasguns are very well rounded for infantry targets
vernal belfry
Because I expect there will be at least some kind of armoured monstrosity at some point and lasgun wouldn't be so nice to have against that
cerulean wagon
its just a standard infantry rifle
ofc for armour n stuff we would want meltas/launchers n the like
vernal belfry
Oh I would love me some melta guns
Would be a lot of fun to play with
Or some heavy laser
bigger pew = better pew
it is known
storm jungle
Yeah i think the more "famous" weapons will be in the game
its just a situation of when to use them, you can already imagine people writing steam guides of STOP WASTING AMMO
vernal belfry
Hotshot would be dope albeit a bit.... risky ?
vernal belfry
For ammo it would be neat to be able to use the old IG trick to just drop the pack in some heatsources to "recharge" them 😄
cerulean wagon
lol
vernal belfry
I recall reading something like that at some point
cerulean wagon
yes they can be charged in fire or even direct sunlight
vernal belfry
Well I would like this option
Like, you get less max charges
But better than none
storm jungle
God this would be so cool
cerulean wagon
Honestly as long as they give las its 2 key features
fire rates
and charge modes
cerulean wagon
yes
cerulean wagon
prob just an overheat system like sienna
vernal belfry
Hmmm, yeah that would be better
cerulean wagon
and if you slap it on overcharged a single shot puts you in the danger zone
vernal belfry
Oh ! I also know at least ONE feature I would love to have
The same thing bardin got with his grudgeraker
The ability to bash faces with your gun
cerulean wagon
lol
vernal belfry
lol
storm jungle
its at the cost of your secondary/primary but it maybe does massive dmg
vernal belfry
Sounds like a neat idea
cerulean wagon
that or just let u explode at people like sienna lol
storm jungle
lmao
vernal belfry
Either they die by plasma fire or everyone does
cerulean wagon
another cool thing to do would be to make autoguns useful via stealth options
since you know
ionizing air las weaponry cant really be silenced
storm jungle
Thats actually one thing i also didnt get in vermintide
theres a tip that says enemies hear noises you make
yet it makes no difference when you get a horde trigger in like a minute or two anyway
wonder how they'd do it in DK as you say with the gun choices
storm jungle
vernal belfry
The thing is, stealth would be nice but impossible to achieve in QP
Hell, I can barely have any QP in cata where DORF won't dive head in a Chaos Patrol
vast frigate
Theres a piece of lore somewhere where a priest puts a set of lasgun packs under a big parabole window to charge them
barren tapir
It all depend on which pattern the lasgun and its batteries are
Has anyone ever wondered if there is a leman russ tank pattern with a kettle to make some tea-equivalent in the grim darkness of the far future? I know about tanna from valhalla, but was thinking about something more general
celest dome
Preatorian must have them since they are based on the British Colonial Force
analog ginkgo
I believe even their lasguns have their own kettles.
barren tapir
valhallans n a few others just have kettles in their tanks
How the warp i didn't find out that they made Tanna in their tanks? I always tought that they used campfire
I believe even their lasguns have their own kettles.
I want one thanks
crisp heath
Soo the astronomicon is Used to triangulate once position in warp and space. But to triangulate U need more then one Point. What whould be the Other Points to use for that?
Also In the dark age of Technologie, before the astronomicon was build, they Used necron devices called Pharaos that where much weaker but spread Out across the Galaxie, with necrons Entering hibernation all of them but one shut down, anyone knows why that one was still running?
barren tapir
The Astronomican is a lighthouse, you see it, you know where Terra is, from that you know where you should point to go where you want
During the Age of Tech we could assume that the warp wasn't fucked up as it is in the 41st millennium, since slaneesh wasn't yet born and probably it was a lot quieter
IIRC the Pharaos throne was similar to what would became the golden throne, so it is possible that they are similar, after all the Pharaos was powered by a psyker too
I think that during the Age of Tech. warp jump were shorter and made with computers
kind dove
I thought Necrons essentially have nothing to do with the warp
But have insanely advanced tech
barren tapir
I thought Necrons essentially have nothing to do with the warp
Well, they know how to suppress the warp, so they have something to do with it, they simply don't use it
They also can enter the webway for short periods of time
crisp heath
Yes it gives U the point of Terra, but If u whould Go somewhere Else then Terra u need more fixpoint to get the right vectors.
Or U Always need to know Ur exact Position and alignment what Not possible by the way Warp works.
That they Most likly Just did short jumps and the Warp wasnt that rough is a good Point, didnt thought abbout that before.
vast frigate
basically the astronomicon gives them all needed info
see it like an uneven pillar
You can see points of referance on it from every side
vagrant osprey
Necrons are extremely anti-warp.
They don't use it, and can't use it.
DAoT humanity could make jumps as long as they wanted. The warp was placid outside of the very deep warp, so warp travel was extremely consistent and predictable.
Imagine a paddleboat on a still lake. You go in one direction, you go at a fixed speed, you get to your destination in a fixed amount of time. That was the warp before the birth of Slaanesh.
Now imagine a paddleboat in a hurricane.
It's easy to lose your references and wind up off-course, and there's no telling when or if you'll arrive.
The Astronomicon doesn't just act like a lighthouse, it also somewhat acts like a floodlamp. It makes the shape and movement of the warp knowable, which makes it so it can be navigated.
(And yeah, there was a Pharos active in the DAoT)
storm jungle
Dark Age of Technology
aka a period that existed in 40k where humanity was basically your run of the mill advanced sci-fi civilization.
It just exists so humans in the current timeline can pull out mcguffins out of nowhere and use OP tech from those times.
verbal nest
Which every fucking sci fi (apart from star wars) likes to do
And it pisses me the fuck off
"ancient tech from a golden age"
Lads why can we not be in the golden age rn
Destiny (the game) does this way too much
Everything you do is about golden age tech yet you get nowhere with it
primal tide
The tau are in their golden age 😂
rotund siren
You're not wrong
primal tide
Honestly, you could argue that so are chaos, tyranids (assuming they aren't running from sth else), and definitely orks too
odd tulip
I'd argue that the ancient tech thing is usually someone elses tech, EG the protheans or the forrunners. Warhammer is unique in that it's our own tech, we just lost it when the men of iron decided they didn't like us any more.
Though I haven't played destiny, so I don't know about that setting
rotund siren
Honestly, you could argue that so are chaos, tyranids (assuming they aren't running from sth else), and definitely orks too
@primal tide Nay for the ork bit. Orks are in their golden age culturally, in that they are having a great time, but technologically and in terms of overall galactic control, they suck when compared to the krorks of old.
Chaos you can never really tell, since they're always in flux and didn't have any presence in the DAoT, and Tyranids are permanently in their Golden Age
devout marlin
Tyranids are in their warm-up stretches
They haven’t even started throwing punches yet
odd tulip
There's some pretty decent evidence that all of the tyranid fleets that have entered the galaxy so far have been what is effectively just a forward scouting unit, and the real army is yet to come
Even more distressing is that they've come from all angles, suggesting the area outside of the galaxy is just one giant tyranid fustercluck
devout marlin
Existential terror is neat I guess
primal tide
To be fair, I did say orks, not krorks 😎
devout marlin
Even if Orks are taken as their own separate thing, which is somewhat valid I guess, their golden age was the war of the beast
primal tide
And chaos is living their best life now that they've got all those tasty marines and demon primarchs
devout marlin
The one time that actually managed to do something beyond be the generic enemy fodder for whenever chaos or tyranids isn’t around
verbal nest
@odd tulip destiny's golden age was basically
"The big glowy orb" showed up and (without explanation btw) humanity entered a golden age for many centuries, expanding across the solar system and building mega powerful shit, weapons, vehicles, any sort of tech. Then the Darkness (yeah, thrilling ikr) showed up to attack the traveller, it basically sacrificed itself (again, there's no fucking explanation at all) and gave humanity Ghosts, little flying robot fuckers who are chosen to retrieve a chosen person and turn them into a Guardian, which is what you play as in the games
The only problem here is that there's zero explanation and nothing quite adds up in Destiny
odd tulip
Dude, what happened to Bungie?
verbal nest
Idk man
I fucking hate Destiny 2 with a passion, it ruined anything Destiny 1 had for itself
The theme, the story, the whole thing
And this Beyond Light thing is basically,
Destiny 2, for its entire life, has been hinting at guardians and the Darkness getting interacted. And Beyond Light is this thing where Guardians go to Europa (Moon of Jupiter) and apparently get to use the Darkness
The problem I have is that it's gonna be one of those "ah well we have to 50 50 the light and darkness" instead of just fucking committing
There's so much shit that's never explained for so many years
Apparently the character you play as is very special, but so is basically everyone else who plays the game, but also specifically you as the player (?)
The main vanilla story Destiny 2 launched with, is now basically thrown to the side and the Devs actually list it along side all the dlc in the game
Despite it being the main story, if you installed a fresh account of destiny 2, they don't even force you to play anything,
odd tulip
"You're very special and so is everyone else" is a problem very unique to MMO's
verbal nest
Yeah it's fuckin awful
odd tulip
WoW and final fantasy struggle with it a lot
verbal nest
There's only one Mmo I like that does it but sadly this mmo sucks shit, Warframe
In Warframe you're supposed to be one of many people just like you doing many missions to do stuff
The only story breaking thing is when you repeat story missions
Something I also hate is that there's this Warmind, which is basically an AI built to do War stuff, that was basically revived and apparently this dude had control of every single automated weaponry in the entire solar system, fucker could wipe the human race in a second if he decided. But no this high and might Warmind just sits in the back of the game, speaking russian and doing jack shit
Like, there's a whole dlc based around reviving the dude and accessing his insanely powerful weaponry, but nothing actually comes from it in any sense
Oh yeah this Warmind was from the golden age too
This Warmind is literally an STC just waiting to be asked the question "bro can you make some....overpowered weapons or something"
But nope
Fucker just gon sit back and be all emo about being dead for a thousand years or something
vagrant lava
Does anyone know a place that has a good summary of everything that went on during the Horus Heresy?
- Preferably just a few pages long.
Any details on how the Emperor started up everything is a bonus.
- I'm trying to get a friend into the hobby and need to bring him up to speed.
(please @ me in the reply)
cerulean wagon
Uhhhhh
nothing that short no @vagrant lava the horus heresy is a fucking massive info dump
the closest would be this https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Horus_Heresy
but 1d4 chan as usualy is like 80% shitpost
mellow depot
ye
unfortunately
concise information is hard to find in 40k
because like that one meme you need to constantly interrupt yourself
it's pretty cumbersome
cerulean wagon
Its less that its comersome and more that theres so much interwebbed shit
some of it is definetly fucking aweful to explain
but like, explaining why tech priests are they way they are only takes ages cause its something like 15k years of history or something
frigid mesa
SO anyway, are the emperor children gonna get their own set of news minis like the death guard or not
mint hill
Horus Hesery Summery: Horus fell to chaos and split the imperium in two, then died.
devout marlin
But who is Horus? What is chaos? How is chaos? Why is chaos? Why is Horus? Why?
This is the trap of talking about 40k lore
storm jungle
Honestly 40k 4chan is the best
But lexicanum might be the undisputed "short version" site.
I fucking hate 40kwiki with a passion since all they do is copy paste shit straight from the codices with ZERO editing and even fail at giving proper references to the said fluff.
lunar wren
@devout marlin its the issue with any non-historical based lore; at some point, you have to just accept it and move on. Or, demand they go back to the origin of the universe and explain the last 40k yrs...which I dont got time for
odd sparrow
Yeah Lexicanium is the wiki for serious 40k stuff with actual references and citations, 1d4chan is the fun memey one
don't bother with any others
But yeah that's like, a crazy amount to the horus heresy. Super short version is: The Emperor founds the Imperium and goes on a conquest of the galaxy. He entrusts this conquest to his 20 primarchs (his sons), each of which at the head of their respective space marine legion. During this time the emperor himself basically goes AWOL to work on his own projects, leaving his primarchs to do his dirty work.
Chaos, the extradimensional corrupting influence on reality, is able to manipulate about half of these legions, including the legion of Horus Lupercal (the most influential primarch at the time who was serving as the head of the imperiums military), into betraying the emperor for a variety of reasons ranging from personal grudges to lofty ideologies about chaos etc. The other half stays loyal to the emperor.
The civil war begins with a massacre of loyalist forces by the traitors. The civil war, e.g. the horus heresy, then goes on for nearly a decade and ends with the Emperor himself boarding the flagship of Horus and killing him, with big E being mortally wounded and put on life support in the process. A bunch of other primarchs are also dead, the miltiary of the imperium is a shadow of its former self, the adeptus mechanicus never fully recovers and the remaining chaos space marines from the heresy retreat and regroup under a new leader.
but yeah i can't really go any further into it without going on a 30 minute ramble about way too much stuff to be concise
crisp heath
Good summary, has all the Important points
devout marlin
It’s maybe worth mentioning the Pharos just because of its implications regarding the Tyranids but that would open up a whole other can of worms, as is so often the case in 40k
odd sparrow
gotta know how to simplify stuff with 40k lore. A universe in existence since the 80s with hundreds of novels published about it is inevitably convoluted af
vagrant osprey
Also: The entire thing happened because the Emperor is not human, doesn't understand how humans think, and routinely underestimates them. He's also a raging egoist who is incapable of comprehending that he makes mistakes.
devout marlin
Lowkey Magnus did do nothing wrong and it’s all the emperor’s fault
vagrant osprey
No. Magnus did ONE thing wrong.
devout marlin
He could’ve just told Lorgar to hurry up instead of nuking his entire worldview and then the heresy never would’ve happened
vagrant osprey
He got three words after his Folly. He said "Father! Father? Father!" and then booked it.
If he said "Horus betrayed you" that would have done the thing he set out to do, and it would have been worth it
devout marlin
It’s not like the emperor would believe him at that point anyway
Horus as far as the emperor knows is his best son, Magnus as far as the emperor knows is the most likely to do something he’s not supposed to, and even showing up proves that
There’s no reason to believe the guy who just annihilated your life’s work, especially when he’s accusing the favorite son
vagrant osprey
Except he would have believed him enough to have the Solar Auxilia come to full muster.
And he DIDN'T annihilate the Emperor's life's work.
devout marlin
He kinda did though
vagrant osprey
It's literally just a single primarch-sized portal inside the generator room of the Human Webway Project.
devout marlin
Which is enough for a horde of daemons to pour through and keep the custodes tied up for the entire duration of the war
vagrant osprey
Believe it or not, that'd be an annoyance if Magnus and/or the Emperor could take the time to go patch the hole.
devout marlin
From the emperor’s perspective Magnus just used his power to start a daemon invasion in the imperial palace, anything he says and any accusations he makes are null because there is no evidence that anyone is a traitor except Magnus
vagrant osprey
You say that, except the Emperor then sent for Magnus to come to Terra and explain his actions.
devout marlin
Yeah because even when his son looks like a traitor he doesn’t want to believe it
Think about that
If Magnus is literally caught red handed and still is only summoned to stand trial, why would the emperor bat an eye towards Horus
The emperor isn’t even the one go order Horus’s destruction at Isstvan iirc, Dorn is
vagrant osprey
Because the Emperor knows Magnus is a massive book nerd and wouldn't start punching holes in reality unless he was panicking.
Magnus, if left to his own devices, will sit around and study the secrets of sorcery.
Being a traitor requires he actually do something, which is against his nature.
devout marlin
And Horus has been the emperor’s most loyal and favorite sun, and has been at his side far longer than any of the others
Magnus is much less believable than Horus
By the time Magnus gets off anything about Horus, he’s already proved that he’s willing to disobey the emperor’s will
Horus has done nothing of the sort
vagrant osprey
Except you already said the Emperor was reluctant to believe any of his sons was a traitor.
The logical conclusion would be that somebody pretending to be Horus was acting against him.
Naturally, the end result is the same: Muster the Solar Auxillia and call his sons together to sort things out.
Horus being unable to get off his initial sneak-attack would have crippled his war effort.
Of course, the real problem is that the Emperor created the whole damn problem in the first place.
All he had to do was explain his long-term plans at some point.
The Astartes turned because they helped wipe out the surviving Thunder Warriors, and knew what happened to a tool when the Emperor no longer needed it.
And the Great Crusade had an end point in sight.
frigid mesa
He is Human after all
vagrant osprey
He didn't even tell the Primarchs what his plan was for the Astartes after the Great Crusade. Each one of them tried to set their Sons up to do something different.
He's really not.
If he ever was human, he stopped being human when he entered that Warp gate and made a pact to cut his humanity out of him to keep it from getting in his way.
Star Child is still canon.
vagrant osprey
It's a meme
green sedge
What's this about people thinking Big E is, like... human? Plz explain. He seems extremely not human.
Like, sure, he's one of my favorite characters but I can't see any argument for him being human still.
Not with what he becomes, and what he can do.
He's... seriously beyond human. He may have always been.
He's just kinda human shaped.
verbal nest
I always assumed he was the god of humans, the same way khorne is the god of being angry as shit, nurgle being the god of dirty shower cubicles, and slannesh being the god of kinky times
So it's the embodiment of all humanity
Although seemingly a lot of the bad human stuff
devout marlin
The gods can’t exist in the materium
Big E cannot be a god in the same sense as the chaos gods unless he physically dies
devout marlin
Correction, they can exist in the materium but if they did they’d tear reality apart around them
verbal nest
My idea of Big E was that he is human
But he's so psyker that like, he big brain mfer
devout marlin
The emperor by the time of 40k is dead enough that he’s probably damn close to being a god if he’s not one already but he definitely was not a god while he still walked among the humans
verbal nest
Didn't he have godlike power? I've read the wiki for him and apparently he could manipulate space and do all sorts of wacky shit
He may not have been a god but damn he was close
verbal nest
Who would win between 1 million grail Knights and Big E
rotund siren
at his prime or on the throne?
verbal nest
Lol on the throne lmfao are you joking
At his prime ofc
rotund siren
Probably him. He did wreck an entire planet of mek orks
verbal nest
Sigmar Vs Big E¿
rotund siren
idk about that one
verbal nest
Both in their prime
Wait so sigmar became a full blown god?
Ok both in their physical prime
devout marlin
Emperor
verbal nest
Ok what about Sigmar (physical prime) Vs like...a thousand Grey Knights
devout marlin
How many of the Grey knights are named
Fight like that comes down to how much plot armor is in play and Sigmar has a load of plot armor
Depends how many grey knights are named and, more importantly, if one of them is Kaldor Draigo
storm jungle
Big E would basically mindrape sigmar and make his head explode.
But in reality they'd bro-team up for the betterment of humanity because fuck yeah!
verbal nest
"betterment"
I mean i subscribe to the idea that Big E was eventually going to turn humanity into the religious shitstorm it turned into eventually
He just had to get everyone's attention first
storm jungle
Not really
verbal nest
Shush
storm jungle
He'd most likely disappear and let humanity develop.
The great crusade wasnt even a part of his plan.
Theres a reason he stayed hidden for so long.
verbal nest
K
storm jungle
verbal nest
Oh what do you guys think that funny paper thing is that only one grey knight knows about
Apparently it's supposed to be used as a last resort
storm jungle
Terminus Decree you mean?
verbal nest
I forgot the name
storm jungle
Yeah thats it
but theres pretty much nothing about it but I do love the memes around it
verbal nest
It would be interesting if it turned out to be an intact STC of the best kind
But authors can do what they want
storm jungle
Well thats the whole purpose of STCs and the DAoT in general.
aka be mcguffins.
So yeah it would be interesting.
verbal nest
Yeah and it sucks shit
storm jungle
Hm?
verbal nest
I already went over this yesterday
storm jungle
The golden age thing?
verbal nest
Yes
storm jungle
40k pretty much copied the Butlerian Jihad from Dune. It wasnt that common of a trope back in the day.
storm jungle
Thats the fate of most trope sadly
verbal nest
It's not even pulled off well
verbal nest
Yeah but it's possible to pull it off well
storm jungle
Hows that exactly?
verbal nest
Don't leave it so obscure
For example, in destiny they could easily find golden age stuff and get it working again, but also have it explained and go in-depth about the how's and whys instead of just leaving it obscure so they can invent more OP golden age mcguffins out of nowhere
storm jungle
Then that doesnt leave much to the meaning of "Dark" in Dark age of Technology though.
It goes too well with the 40k narrative in general.
verbal nest
That's the inherent issue with 40k storytelling imo, there's too much that's hidden for the sole purpose of the attraction of mystery
storm jungle
also 40k golden age tech is far FAR more devastating than most people would have you believe.
verbal nest
I know
storm jungle
well to be fair i agree there but this is like a 30 year old franchise
the lore itself is a "dark age" of its own lol
verbal nest
The other problem I have is how awkward the content of finding golden age stuff is
In Destiny you're walking around with some top tier golden age weaponry and AI, but the story or gameplay doesn't drastically change despite these discoveries
The rest of the franchise doesn't adapt to the sudden discovery of some really cool shit
storm jungle
Thats just a case of bad writing
destiny is a really cool franchise obviously but half of it just left "blank"
BECAUSE GOTTA MAKE THAT DLC BOI
verbal nest
Lol yeah
lunar wren
D2 is a FPS with a skeleton of a story...if they had writers and opened it up, it'd flesh out really nicely
Strange Traveler...never forget
verbal nest
The stranger is in beyond light
lunar wren
But 40k does a good job by putting everything behind fanatiscism; which is pretty authentic
barren tapir
Ah yes, the terminus decree the thing that have a symbol that is found only in another place... The golden throne... Which is also the place where a "talisam" has been placed that the greatest blacksmith of the primarchs made without even remembering doing...
lunar wren
yes...like 8 years after first/last contact
lunar wren
still, long as time for your guide in the first game to come back and say whats up
verbal nest
I didnt quite catch what you meant there
lunar wren
Bungie is just now getting around to filling in some of the major plot holes; largely because they fly from shiny object to shiny object
verbal nest
Oh there's a lot of issues yeah
lunar wren
and rely on grimoires to add depth...when they could do so much more in game if they had a semi-coherent story arc
verbal nest
The taken king was the last time I ever liked the franchise, coz it really opened up on the lore for a hot minute
lunar wren
40k allowed writers to flesh out its world while they still curated it, enabling so many opportunities to engage with the lore
verbal nest
It's hard to keep a straight face while we literal God killers are just normal ass human with a flying Amazon Echo near us
lunar wren
Very true; it went very deep on Oryx as well as started to explain the Cabal
storm jungle
To be fair Guardians are pretty OP
practically immortal as long as your Alexa doesnt get pew'd
lunar wren
lol, yep
storm jungle
verbal nest
Yes but the way the franchise shows it is awful
storm jungle
oh god yeah
verbal nest
"you're immortal and are powerful enough to kill whole dang gods"
"....k?"
lunar wren
I dont think they had enough writers...or maybe they cut costs there...its got lots of good things to work with, but they are all half-assed
verbal nest
Like if that's the case then why hasn't Light been harvested to make another golden age
storm jungle
I feel like destiny would work perfectly as a tabletop game too tbh. You practically hear nothing of the common stuff
aka literally forgetting humans are down to a single city
or how the people live there
etc etc
verbal nest
Destiny is the only franchise where the fan fiction was actually decent (this was back in 2016 so it's probably shit now)
lunar wren
I love how you go out and conduct strikes on Mars, Mercury, etc, but right outside the last city of humanity you still got enemy at the gates...like wtf?
verbal nest
I love how Mercury and the Moon is literally inside and out covered and terraformed with alien shit somehow
Also Rasputin
Just why
storm jungle
Rasputin is fineeee
lunar wren
Crota killed hundreds of guardians, dies to 3
6*
Loved how they changed the Rasputin lore between 1 and 2
lunar wren
I skate, so I dont have time nor the hops to solo oryx, lol
verbal nest
What did they change about Rasputin lore in 1 and 2? All I've noticed is that they gave Rasputin way more power than I remembered
lunar wren
In 1, there were multiple warminds; in 2, they are satellites of Rasputin. So in 1 you had the Jove warmind that you interacted with while Rasputin was stuck on Earth
verbal nest
Oh yeah I remember that
Maybe that's the power jump I'm on about
Rasputin has way more power over the entire solar system somehow (and still does jack shit despite being fully awake in the current events of destiny2)
Rasputin is fucking alive and breathing rn, and yet
Oh dear the darkness
verbal nest
If he's so powerful why doesn't he just say some wacky shit like "lol the main character is actually like...god or something"
Just twist up the lore even more
lunar wren
lol
verbal nest
The whole beyond light is just dumb as shit
It's gonna be troped the fuck out, I will bet that
vagrant osprey
@verbal nest The C'Tan are referred to as "The Gods of the Materrium".
exotic chasm
Has any heretic force kicked down the doors to the emperor’s throne room at all ever
Besides the Horus Heresy
I keep getting this image in my head of all the major champions of the chaos gods under the banner of Chaos Undivided and deciding to visit Terra
storm jungle
It will happen one day when 40k stops making money
exotic chasm
yeah probably
storm jungle
but sadly no, because terra is fortified up the ASS
exotic chasm
It’s such a cool idea though
storm jungle
Yeah im pretty sure when GW decides to do End Times someone is gonna reach the throne room and stab Big E
exotic chasm
Idk I was just thinking to myself, who would win in an immaterium battle? The four Chaos gods or the emperor
Like who’s stronger psyker wise
storm jungle
Honestly this is the big problem with 40k
literally anyone can win as long as the plot demands or pulls somethings out of its ass
exotic chasm
Ultramarines stay mad
storm jungle
They got their sweet plot armor
but realistically id guess the 4 chaos gods
unless Big E orgasms into existence like slaanesh
exotic chasm
Hot Take: Ultramarines are only successful because orks think Blue is lucky color
storm jungle
LOL
storm jungle
im pretty sure i saw that on r/grimdank somewhere, if not then it must be made as a joke
exotic chasm
Is it all just “haha mechanicus fuck toasters” And “Ultramarines stinky” and “looky ‘ere, new meme for da boyz”
Because that’s what I think it would be
storm jungle
Actually thats a common misconception
The comment section makes those jokes sometimes but theres actually really fucking funny memes produced daily
exotic chasm
Well shid might as well
storm jungle
Its a good hit and miss
meanwhile I recommend r/40k lore for reading sessions, people post some nice popular threads there once in awhile
devout marlin
literally anyone can win as long as the plot demands or pulls somethings out of its ass
I mean yes but also the Tyranids have an astronomical advantage over virtually every other faction and it’s ultimately a countdown until they or the Necrons decide it’s time to kill everyone
Chaos can’t and doesn’t want to actually win over the imperium, everyone else is too weak to pull out a dominant win before the Tyranids or Necrons start throwing down
Except maybe the Orks but they like stabbing each other too much to put a concentrated effort into stabbing exclusively everyone else
primal tide
r/40k lore
A big +1 on this, there are great threads on there
There was a thread a few weeks ago with lots of examples of grumpy dreadnoughts being total bros and it was great
storm jungle
@devout marlin Still proves my point.
The setting would be destroyed long ago by any one of these factions if it wasnt for the plot armor tape holding it all together.
And these "advantages" they have over the imperium doesnt matter when a named character can just slap any special character from an opposing faction to the next dimension.
Like the swarmlord lol
barren tapir
Chaos tried and failed to assault the imperial palace after the creation of the cicatrix maledictum... To note that it was just khorne armies... Another force of harlequins made it to the eternity gate IIRC during the war of the beast... Orks had the entire Terra at gunpoint during that event too... And there are also tyranids that are attracted by the astronomican... Terra is the most defended world in the imperium, after it there was only cadia and the latter sadly get dostroyed...
At the moment the greatest threats are nocrons and tyranids, mostly becasue super tech and huge numbers respectively... Then Orks, because they are starting to become more united thanks to ghazkul...
cerulean wagon
na the ork threats gone
the new Space wolf stuff meant they fucked gaz waaaagh
which was fuckin dumb
vagrant osprey
Necrons seem unlikely to attack Terra, since they wouldn't really get anything out of it.
mellow depot
i thought necrons just wanted to destroy all organic life
primal tide
Some want pets
mellow depot
hahaha
primal tide
It's true
barren tapir
the new Space wolf stuff meant they fucked gaz waaaagh
Ragnar managed to behead Ghazghkull, but his head has bee recovered and now ghaz is back, bigger and stronger
He seems to be attracting orks from all over the galaxy
Necrons seem unlikely to attack Terra, since they wouldn't really get anything out of it.
They may be more interested in Mars, but the imperium hardly will let them even enter the solar system without a fight, so Terra is just on the way
Just wait until the silent king hear about a possibile shard of the void dragon on mars, he seem to like those shards, and he can muster theoretically all the necrons
Some want pets
Others just want to study souls... And where are some of the weirdest souls in the imperium??
storm jungle
now ghaz is back, bigger and stronger
@barren tapir Not unless Space Marines have to win for a bigger sale
crisp heath
I like to pretend nothing after primaris marines were introduced happened
the primaris marine design is ugly and the concept is dumb
plus I dont like alot of the new designs in generap
heavily disappointed by the necromunda ganger factions and the enforcers
odd sparrow
some of the more recent primaris stuff has been a lot better imo. More gothic stuff
devout marlin
I don’t really have a problem with the primaris anymore
They don’t really change much except design and I like their design
odd tulip
Primaris designs are pretty sleek imo.
thick shadow
I still HATE the design of thinner version of their calf protection.
It should've just like a Stormcast's
The usual irl lookin one
primal tide
calves too pointy, 2/10 would not paint
thick shadow
Look at their UGLY HERETICAL CALVS
rotund siren
why those legs so thin
primal tide
Don't be rude to my booty boys
rotund siren
Well that's the thing; how can they be expected to have fine booties, if they have the legs of chickens?
primal tide
Chicken leg, he calls the 8 foot tall transhuman
devout marlin
They look fine to me
primal tide
I think they all look good, middle doesn't look like he's got the same range of motion as the left tho
Imagine having to curb stomp xenos without being able to rotate your ankle to the sides
devout marlin
Probably just does the cartoon thing where metal bends as if it were cloth
Dude in a suit of armor bends over, the armor bends with him
primal tide
Yeah
Just aesthetically I see the left and say hey neat that looks a little more agile
Wonder if that was their goal or if it was purely for the boot look
devout marlin
I feel like at this point it’s entirely rule of cool
The pauldron are horrible from a realistic standpoint but they look damn sexy so they stay, I assume it’s kind of the same for the legs
Although I will say the Primaris pauldrons look a lot less intrusive than the old astartes ones
So maybe they are trying to make it more realistic
barren tapir
With the primaris GW tried to solve the problems with proportions... New primaris have right proportions, and they armor are "thinner" than the firstborn SM because are more modualr and made for mobility not bulkiness... All the SM power armors followed a path which would lead to "thinner" armors with some exceptions... And primaris could have "thick" armors too
devout marlin
As long as terminators stay thicc I don’t mind
barren tapir
Now that i think of... I still haven't seen a primaris terminator
devout marlin
I think I remember seeing them but I’ve forgotten what they look like
They’re still pretty thicc so I’m happy
storm jungle
Nah thats a custodian terminator armor
you can tell from the eagle sigils on the boots
devout marlin
I just looked up Primaris terminator and that was the first result
devout marlin
The Primaris still look mostly the same as the old terminators from what I’m seeing
Ah yeah fair enough
storm jungle
Yeah dont worry, i dont blame the confusion since primaris got a lot of dudes in heavy suits
devout marlin
Are there even Primaris terminators
Most of the google results are speculation on them
Nothing concrete
storm jungle
Yeah i think then thats a no
GW are still on the rush to upgrade all old marine units to primaris ones so terminators must be next
devout marlin
I find it hard to believe they went through all of 8th edition without introducing Primaris terminators
devout marlin
Space marines are badass but terminators are badass
barren tapir
No primaris terminators, gravis armor is similar
Used by commanders and aggressor squads
storm jungle
@devout marlin its why i hope they dont upgrade its iconic features
storm jungle
aka stuff like the snout'ish helmet
devout marlin
Yeah that’s what I saw a lot of when I looked
barren tapir
Gravis armour doesn't reach terminator armor as protection, but it is really close
devout marlin
Thought it was terminators but I guess not
pastel pebble
As far as 40k literature is concerned, what are some of the best novels to read?
primal tide
im a big fan of the eisenhorn series, like a lot of folks. i see it recommended fairly often for people looking for some 40k books to read
odd sparrow
Ciaphas cain is also a good one
meager narwhal
I 200% also recommend Eisenhorn and Ravenor series. Get the Omnibus versions if possible so to include all the short stories also
devout marlin
I really loved the night lords omnibus
vagrant osprey
Master of Mankind is basically essential to understanding the Emperor.
Gaunt's Ghost is an excellent series.
Also, it looks like the new lore is making Mechanicum more and more relevant.
Prospero Burns is also fantastic. (Anything by Dan Abnet, really)
Whatever you do, avoid anything that focuses on Space Marines or the nameless Imperial Guard regiments. The writing is terrible in both cases; the first because it's insipid wankery, the second because it's basically always a first-person view of somebody watching everybody they know be fed feet-fist into a woodchipper before getting shoved in themselves.
unreal grail
I would recommend anything by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, such a great author
you are going to get your fair share of pointless bolter porn in any W40K novel, but the good authors manage so much more when it comes to the setting and characters
a couple of titles (by various authors): Legion, The First Heretic, Prospero Burns, Angel Exterminatus, Helsreach, the Night Lords trilogy
pastel pebble
Awesome, looks like I have enough recommendations to get started. Thank you.
vagrant osprey
Also: If you see anything by CS Goto, just run.
kind dove
Just finished all the Caiphas Cain Omnibuses and they were amazing. Just started the Eisenhorn omnibuses