Los Angeles/OC/San Diego 🌈

[desert stirrup]

Oh yeah these two bags are not roasty at all. They just look dark.

The Logan is grape candy to the T

It is uncanny how much it tastes like a grape jolly rancher

It’s really good iced

[lunar fjord]

I got the other bag

I wish I had gotten the Logan

but I have way too much coffee to order this as well

[desert stirrup]

I got Logan and chorongi

Chorongi is a fun, bright, mouth watering tart cup

I wish I was financially unwise or financially spoiled

I would’ve bought one of every bag

Maybe even two of every bag

Apollens gold is still in stock thoooooooo 👀

[crude citrus]

How much influence does a roaster have on texture/mouthfeel? I feel it’s more about 1) how the coffee is made and 2) burrs

[weary chasm]

There's a lot of ayce near ondo 2

Only saw a single acaia lunar

If there were pearls, good on moving them. Lol

Didn't know there was dual ditting lab sweets

[mellow sonnet]

There were 2 pearls

And then 1

[weary chasm]

🤔🤔 I wonder who took it

Did someone double dip

[mellow sonnet]

Destroyer a small cafe in Culver City has a mavam under bar 👀

[lunar fjord]

destroyer tasty

good choice

[tight gorge]

Destroyer good but $$$$

I dig the vibes though

[cedar otter]

Someone bought it yesterday

Now Im outta pearls

[mellow sonnet]

Soy sauce cold foam

[trail tiger]

did i read that right

hows that

[boreal solar]

People have different definitions of coal these days. Sometimes if they develop a roast past those grassy undertones of florality it’s considered coal. Even if it’s a clean fruit forward or chocolatey profile imo.

[lunar fjord]

I can buy coal for chocolate or caramel

but coal for just medium I think is an overexaggeration imo

[boreal solar]

I hate the term too. But I also hate the term boomer shot so what are you going to do? I see people calling 1:3 shots boomer shots now.

Slang is just weird

[cedar otter]

What is 1:1.5 then

[compact hound]

Neanderthal shot

[compact hound]

Ive always been curious

What did you enjoy from them?

[weary chasm]

Is that a restaurant

[compact hound]

Upscale hipster breakfast/brunch

Same people behind vespertine

[weary chasm]

Not someone's garage right?

Cool

[tight gorge]

I would recommend if in the area but not something you seek imho

Actually just imo

[cedar otter]

Destroyer is like

What every cafe owner wants to do

But not what every customer wants

[crude citrus]

Maximize working retail space and limit seating?

[weary chasm]

goal accomplished today. finally got to try ondo choco in a latte.

[cedar otter]

in terms of the menu/offering and price lol

[junior bobcat]

I'm the same way. I was not impressed with hydrangea and definitely got off flavors from his roasts. I steer clear

[surreal pivot]

I haven’t enjoyed them as much since they switched to loring

This one was particularly unenjoyable

[weary chasm]

ohhh. they switched?

i just bought 2 based on past good experiences.

[surreal pivot]

A while back

[weary chasm]

Today's pickup

[surreal pivot]

This was peak hydrangea for me

[onyx forge]

Woah

I remember the brown sample bags

[desert stirrup]

I have no idea man. I think that’s a good question

I wrote down the bag information

Maybe I’ll see if I can find them by another roaster

[desert stirrup]

The Chiroso!

[weary chasm]

for some reason, it was much more funky than what i expected. not sure why i didn't think it'd be on the more fermented side with the Marmalade, passionfruit pidneapple

[desert stirrup]

Huh

When I got it iced at Ondo it was just a pineapple mango passion fruit bomb

I didn’t get much funkiness

Maybe try it iced!

[weary chasm]

Iced?

As a pourover?

[desert stirrup]

Ye

Cold pour overs do exist

They’re pretty rad when it’s hot outside

[weary chasm]

Yeah. Was it flash chilled?

Less ratio then ice dilute?

[tight gorge]

Fozencado fav pastime is to mansplain

[weary chasm]

While continuing explaining, was it an option when you asked for pourover?

I guess it was iced, but brewed on xbloom?

Trying to replicate at home since I do have all the tools.

Xbloom. B75 if needed.

But in any case. The beans do look more processed than what I usually see.

[compact hound]

Should have him pull up to endorffeine and mansplain an iced cortado

[crude citrus]

At Ondo east Hollywood yea iced is $1 more and made on xbloom. Pretty sure it’s ice dilute

[boreal solar]

https://share-h5.xbloom.com/?id=5%2FxFby8cm1U5IHzXdpuTew%3D%3D this is a recipe I created based on the glitch iced kalita recipe. Brew over 85-100g of ice depending on preferred strength.

I use it at home in the summer. It works alright.

If you use it, you may need to grind a little coarser. The bean I had it dialed in for likes a finer than typical grind.

[cedar otter]

Lil bit of paragon chilled rocks and a lil bit of ice

[boreal solar]

lol. I started reading at Avocados post. My bad. Sorry @weary chasm , I know you know that Japanese iced is a thing. I thought you were looking for a recipe for the xbloom. To be fair I was reading a book to my toddler and only half paying attention. Still, the recipe works pretty well. Give it a shot sometime.

[cedar otter]

https://share-h5.xbloom.com/?id=dNNuU%2B92vpey1n6dv6T87w%3D%3D

This with 50-60g ice + paragon is what we use

https://share-h5.xbloom.com/?id=%2BBgC3IQ1mUKBxNPiYO%2BBkA%3D%3D

Recipe for chiroso

@weary chasm

[weary chasm]

Thx.

I guess I don't have paragon
But I guess I can try to replicate chilled balls

[desert stirrup]

Hahahahah

I’ve been outted and exposed

[desert stirrup]

I appreciate the clarification. I didn’t understand what you were confused about. That will have to be a question for @cedar otter and how he does iced pour overs at Ondo 1.

I would guess XBloom flash brew at a 1:17 ratio.

[desert stirrup]

Get this my bald headed brown friend. 2oz expresso and 2-2.5oz of that silly milky. Fuck loads of ice.

Donezo

I still need to go to endorffeine

Might do an endorffeine and Amboy day this week

[desert stirrup]

Wait you can share XBloom recipes like Visualizer shots???!!!

Hold up XBloom just got a bit more tempting

I never looked into this machine because kettle over water makes good bean juice

But now I’m intrigued

I wonder if this would be a good machine for my obdurate parents

Straight up

Refuses to weigh shit

Anything

Scales are the devil it seems

[mellow sonnet]

xbloom does have a scale

its just integrated

[boreal solar]

It’s probably the best value to performance option out there for super auto on the home market. You need to use the integrated beans for your own beans. But I guess if they want to use pods they don’t have to weigh anything

Tbh I’ve never used pods with mine other than what it came with as a bonus 😂

Problem with the xbloom is that support straight up blows though tbh

[mellow sonnet]

if they care about freshness maybe xbloom, but honestly specialty instant packets are good enough

[boreal solar]

If you want an all in one solution you can abuse when visiting patents on the other hand. You’ll like having it there

But yeah, if they’re like my parents they won’t appreciate the quality gain

If I want to impress my parents I just pour them some latte art and make them a latte tbh. They’re happier and I’m happier than if I give them a pricy pour over that doesn’t “taste like coffee”

[desert stirrup]

Yeah that might make it easier for them. That or simply tearing open the pre weighed out pod

[desert stirrup]

Dawgg! This! I swear this is the true answer

My parents actually enjoy the pourover I make. My mom especially enjoy red fruit coffees. My dad is split. Sometimes he really digs it like the cinnamon coferment from B&W. Other times he just says “it’s not strong enough”. I then ask if he wants a higher concentration or just bitterness. He doesn’t know. I brew him a 1:15 and a stupidly over extracted cup next. He still says he wants something “strong”

So I think that’s just his palette craving the coal

[mellow sonnet]

some dude in #alternative-brewing was using cinnamon in their grinds before brewing

[desert stirrup]

Now we’re getting into masala chai territory

Taking mediocre medium roast and adding raw ground spices mixed in or on top does sound interesting

[tight gorge]

Mexicans have been doing this for decades

Cafe de olla

[boreal solar]

Coffee de olla is really common in LA. I’d be surprised if folks haven’t tried it.

I’ve seen a few specialty cafes even have it on their menu.

It’s really easy to make a cinnamon and piloncillo simple syrup to get some of the flavor there (though not authentic)

[surreal pivot]

Rare to find good cafe de olla though.

[boreal solar]

It’s made with instant in most places I’ve had it in Mexico. So not that surprising lol

[cedar otter]

We might have iced cafe de olla

In the fall

Recipe made by a mexican barista so we gucci

Jk

[low mantle]

Gusto Bread offers cafe de olla.

[glossy sail]

Smaller pulsar prototype spotted?

[mellow sonnet]

oh is pulsar mini finally coming out

its 58mm for smaller dosing while maintaining bed depth

been WIP for a while now

[weary chasm]

i don't think its worthwhile since its yet another machine to maintain.

[weary chasm]

you just need darker beans.

pumpkin spice season though.

pumpkin spice is very cinnamon forward. literal cinnamon i guess.

[junior bobcat]

Why don't you give them a Mr. Coffee then?

[boreal solar]

My parents use a French press to brew my beans. And a keurig for others

[desert stirrup]

The place across from Holbox is pretty good! I haven’t had cafe de olla in Mexico nor have I made it yet so I’m naive

Also I gave up on helping my parents drink good coffee

They had a dookie cuisinart machine. I gave them a Moccamaster and they shipped it back to me 🫠

So whatever

I tried and provide resources. After that I’m not going to sweat to help another. It’s their choice in the end

[boreal solar]

Is the cuisinart machine a traditional drip machine?

And yeah, sometimes it’s better to let sleeping dogs lay. My parents don’t really listen to me either and it’s fine at the end of the day. It’s really hard to change an opinion that’s been sculpted for decades.

[desert stirrup]

Yeah. It has a grinder and a metal basket

It’s dookie

My dad is deluded into believing it’s good but nobody ever drinks from it but him

He also bitches about it allllllll the time

So I have no idea why he keeps it around. But again, I went to Texas last Winter, tried my best to teach, equip, and empower. There is no more I can do

[desert stirrup]

Man what’s wild is how my dad roasts his own coffee

It’s so fucking oxymoronic

He obviously desires good and better coffee. He buys his greens from eBay so we all know it’s produced via child or slave labor, then he roasts it in his small home drum roaster. He then puts those beans in the cuisinart and says the same “ah so good! Tastes like chocolate and florals and sweet”

Then a few days later bitches about how his coffee isn’t “strong”

It’s an absurd cycle of insanity

[boreal solar]

My parents also use a crap ton of creamer or sugar. So I can see why they like the roastiness shining through. By the time they’re done most nuance is lost.

I managed to convince my mom to drink lattes with just a little simple syrup and consider that victory. She now likes them more than her abominations so it’s something lol

[desert stirrup]

Haha yeah I was able to convince my mom to drink my PO black

I believe she now brews her own coffee in a Switch

But God only knows what coffee and technique she uses

[boreal solar]

I do take solace in the fact that my parents live next door to another roastery owner whose beans have been used by the world aeropress champion in a successful stint in the past… and hate his coffee too.

https://www.quietlycoffee.com/ for reference

[desert stirrup]

Bruh

Hahahaha

My parents are stingy and used to the prices of greens on eBay

So they never buy roasted coffee I bet

[cedar otter]

My parents just take samples from my cafe

Sometimes they end up with panama geishas

[junior bobcat]

It sounds like your dad and my dad are the same guy. My dad loves his gaggia super auto but complains that my coffee (DE1 and Z1) is way better than what he gets out of the gaggia 😂

[junior bobcat]

Hard to mess up a switch brew though.

[boreal solar]

Mmmm Panama geisha brewed with a blade grinder and French press using water off the boil, a couple tbsps for measuring and a five minute extraction time.

[boreal solar]

My parents have a cuisinart burr grinder too. the story behind it bothers me a bit. My mom wanted to buy a grinder for my dad for Christmas and asked me all these questions and I did my best to answer them and give her tips on grinders etc. spent a few hours cumulatively trying to explain to her what she needs and what I would buy. Then one day on her way home from work she stopped at a local specialty coffee store located at the local ymca. The barista there sold it to her saying it was really good. It’s not even like she got Walmart pricing since it was a small shop selling flavored coffees and coffee from other random first and second wave roasters.

[cedar otter]

my mom used to use the clever dripper with no measurements lol

good brews some day bad brews some other days

[boreal solar]

My joke wasn’t that far off then, lol

[mellow sonnet]

Sharpie the outside so it's at least consistent and then send it

[cedar otter]

Effect of tariff on small businesses. Exhibit A

[trail tiger]

Is this for the forseeable future? Or you're still figuring out some solution

[cedar otter]

I have 3 orders coming in this week 😎

[weary chasm]

Did they go up?

Greens

[desert stirrup]

I have no idea

I don’t look at that market

And speaking to my dad about roasting coffee is like speaking to a chef with no tongue

[weary chasm]

Don't. Lol

Home roasting is a trap

Brewing coffee at home is a trap too. But we're too deep

[desert stirrup]

Brewing coffee at home is chill

Roasting seems hard af

How do you know if these greens would do better as medium rather light?

Trial and error?

[boreal solar]

I can sell you a 3kg yoshan

[weary chasm]

Trial and error

[desert stirrup]

Yeah fuck that

[weary chasm]

Isn't that brewing too?

Is this better as an espresso or a pourover

Or as a latte

Or which recipe should I use?

Which brewer, grinder should I use? Which water.

All trial and error

It's just the cycle for brewing is a lot shorter than roasting. So you can iterate faster

[weary chasm]

But you do get some general rules

You can get hints from other roasters on their roast level

"why shouldn't I roast it light?" and then you do.

Then you're like. "OK. So this is why"

[boreal solar]

If roasting was brainless everyone would do it.

[drowsy knot]

yep. Was in the process of upgrading my video setup for property shoots and ran into major issues sourcing a more current uav. Stuck with rolling shutter for the forseeable future 😡

[cedar otter]

The more expensive the green is the more room you have to roast however you want

[mellow sonnet]

3rd crack elida here i come

[cedar otter]

that's what ruli coffee does in seoul

takes panama geshas and takes them to 2nd crack or just before 2nd

[cedar otter]

Maybe house made baked goods at ondo dos

[crude citrus]

And then ship them back to Ondo uno?

[boreal solar]

Oh snaps. Got anything in mind?

You should do the fish shaped pastries with custard.

[mellow sonnet]

Hotteok 👀

[desert stirrup]

My man

We must cater to the audience

Artesia = Indians

I say you some dank Jalebi with some coffee

You’ll have every single brown, flip flop wearing, coconut oil drenched hair mofo in line within a 10 mile radius

Trust me

[junior bobcat]

Do you have any coffee that's been aged? Reason I ask is I need coffee sooner rather than later lmao.

[cedar otter]

Uhhh I have some datura

[junior bobcat]

Which store ?

[cedar otter]

Both stores

Artesia has some more stuff

[junior bobcat]

Thanks!

[left inlet]

Does anyone have a copy of, or have placed an order for, Jonathan Gagne's new book, The Physics of Espresso?

[compact hound]

Thought B&G pizza was open

Ended up at Joy

[crude citrus]

Too much info given

[desert stirrup]

I thought it was open!

[desert stirrup]

False

[compact hound]

4-9

[desert stirrup]

4-9?

Oh wait

[compact hound]

Hours of operation

[desert stirrup]

4pm - 9pm

Ok ok ok

Damn that’s blows

But Joy slaps!

So not a complete loss

[compact hound]

My first time

Good but kinda dont understand the plain pancake

Just put the damn scallions in there

I think Liu’s Cafe’s pork over rice is a lil better

[desert stirrup]

Creamy Boys!

Hokey Pokey

Smoooooooooooooooth

The toffee is fine but crunchy. It’s generously sprinkled on top and it’s through the ice cream too

I’m not sure how it’s crispy and spread throughout the ice cream but it is. It’s a glorious contradiction

$8.25 after tax

[compact hound]

Literally just tried this for the first time on friday

Small/kid size was plenty for me

Normal size good to share

Wish it had more toffee

[tight gorge]

Be a man and tell us total after tip

[vivid violet]

$6.75 after tip.

tip: saying “stay in school” to distract them while snagging a buck fitty from the jar

[desert stirrup]

$8.25

I don’t tip unless I am waited on or at a service like a barber

I’m ruthless with it

Idgaf

I worked as a server in Texas where my hourly was $2.50. Here in California everyone is getting the $15-16.75/hr and then tips

[weary chasm]

If you're in fast food I think it's $20/hr, but no tips?

[desert stirrup]

In this state we definitely should not be tipping. In Texas, we should be tipping only because the system is unethical af and it sadly lays the burden on the customer

Yeah, that’s correct. That is the logic

With fast food nobody tips so their income was always less than working at a sit down restaurant

[weary chasm]

I think the culture got a bit more on the tip side since you can get the point of sale device to do the asking

[desert stirrup]

Hermosa beach or El Segundo?

I didn’t know about Hokey Pokey and how one of the brothers went off and made Creamy Boys in the South Bay

Also

@compact hound you drive A LOT

[weary chasm]

Great for businesses I guess. If you don't ask you don't get

[desert stirrup]

You were at Joy just a bit ago

Then Creamy Boys???

Homie

Do you live in your car?

[desert stirrup]

I think it perpetuates the problem of restaurant workers continually being shafted

Nobody gets paid well

Nobody gets treated well

Nobody gets benefits

Tips can also be tax write offs for the business owner but a tax liability for the employee

[mellow sonnet]

verve baristas are unionizing for better pay and benefits 🫡

[desert stirrup]

This is a coffee chat, I’ll tame my thoughts and words. At the same time, it’s sad to see how this country is just a business and really nothing more. Everything is sided towards the business and nothing towards the people who help create the value.

[desert stirrup]

This is phenomenal to hear

I’m really glad to hear that

[runic heath]

Tipping in California makes no sense, and especially after OBB passed

[desert stirrup]

Can you expand on “OBB”?

I am unaware of that acronym

[desert stirrup]

I would love to see your professional bracket unionize actually

Medical professionals are shafted so terribly and unlike restaurant workers, we desperately need you

So the leverage is immense, even though it is unethical is levied

[mellow sonnet]

healthcare unions are so fucked

nurses have their own unions, pharmacists have their own union, no consistency across hospitals

its ok i will quit in 5-10 years

[desert stirrup]

I didn’t know nurses and pharmacists have their own unions!

I need to tell my mom to hop on that if possible. She’s a pharmacist at a rural hospital in Texas

[runic heath]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/06/04/upshot/no-tax-on-tips.html

[mellow sonnet]

unions are hospital specific not actual any sort of union other than with your coworkers

its a mess and a waste of time for most hospitals too tbh

[desert stirrup]

Link if you don’t have an account:

https://archive.is/20250622061900/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/06/04/upshot/no-tax-on-tips.html

[desert stirrup]

This is upsetting to hear

I would like to see a national wide nursing union

A national reform to residents so they are sleep deprived

[mellow sonnet]

uci has been protesting as a union like 5 times the last 3 months and nothing has changed

[desert stirrup]

Aw man

[weary chasm]

That's cool. I used to use Google translate English to English until they disabled it.

[runic heath]

When reading this article, just view it from the California lens. The bartender/retail worker is a great split because here they make the same in wages.

[weary chasm]

It used to let you bypass the pay wall

[mellow sonnet]

I used to use the GitHub chrome extension

[compact hound]

Hermosa broski

[low mantle]

So true. I’m one of the few departments left that hasn’t been unionized at my hospital. I would wager 1/3 of my coworkers will quit the day they force it on us.

[dull adder]

Not anymore.. they're tax free. Personally tipping around 10% when I used to do 20-25% :/

My income is taxed, everyone's should be taxed

I just went to Sunset & Vinyl, such a chill space and fantastic drinks. I was chatting with the bartender who made a number of them on the menu including the "Dark Star" which balanced whiskey and espresso really well. I think it was whiskey, amaretto, walnut bitters, espresso

[surreal pivot]

Kaiser social worker’s union scored a pretty significant victory a few months back.

Nurses union trying to do the same currently I believe

[cedar otter]

R&D

[cedar otter]

My goal is to provide my staff with better pay and benefits so they don’t even think about unionizing

[boreal solar]

Huh, til the minimum age is lower in Orange County vs LA county. Your two locations had me thinking

[mellow sonnet]

I hope Bryan will hire me when I quit healthcare and work for fun

[cedar otter]

You should help us launch our own cryptocurrency named Ondo

Wait

[low mantle]

True but it took them almost 200 days. I couldn’t last that long.
Im all for them unionizing if it benefits them. Im glad their mental/social health service is going to get better. It was terrible.

My department navigates in a “just don’t tell HR what we’re up to” kind of mindset.

[mellow sonnet]

Kaiser is terrible work mindset in general where everyone is there bc the pay and not bc they like working there

[cedar otter]

Yeah but I also noticed shops in OC actually pay higher bc 1) it’s harder to find quality worker and 2) people tip way less

In OC

It’s half as much as LA percentage wise

LA we average 9-11%

OC it’s like 4-7%

💀

And they constantly complain about cup size and price

And how it’s not a good place to “work” in

Y’all ever heard of WeWork? 🤣

[lunar fjord]

I'm very happy to be past the point where I want to work in a cafe

[mellow sonnet]

I would like to retire from healthcare and work in a cafe once a week

[surreal pivot]

With how rude people are???

[mellow sonnet]

I've dealt w worse in retail pharmacy

[cedar otter]

Lmao

Tbh all the customers in east hollywood are way nicer than anywhere else we’ve worked at

Everyone who works for us tells us this

[boreal solar]

LA people are nice for the most part tbh. I’ve been surprised whenever I visit.

OC and IE people are pleasant too. Although they tend to be more traditional in mindset overall.

[desert stirrup]

I’m not a fan of the people that reside in and rep OC hard so I find this quite funny

[desert stirrup]

I’m glad I never had that point in my life 🙂

[weary chasm]

Is this romanticized? Lol

Have two family relatives saying if we ever open up a minimalist (Scandinavian style) coffee shop, they'd work there for two months (and then quit) to live the dream...

[lunar fjord]

lol maybe?

I’m not in tech and don’t do remote work

So I was mostly thinking back to when I was a student

Also at this point there are very few places that make better coffee than what I’m capable of at home

So if I’m going to a cafe it’s for immaculate vibes or something really special

[weary chasm]

Def better to my tastes for what I make at home

But currently chasing creating the ideal latte to sell to customers. 😂

*but I think they just want to live out that drama coffee life that gets portrayed...

[glossy sail]

Lagom P80 teaser

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOdTNmjCWoL/?img_index=10&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

option_o.coffee

2019. Out of nowhere, we dropped this….

Likes

653

Instagram

[boreal solar]

Interesting. I wonder if it’ll be priced compellingly. Or if itll be close enough to the p01 that no one will really care. With the pricing of the p64, I’m assuming the later.

If they can get it together sub $2000 with lagom build quality I’ll be impressed

[mellow sonnet]

i think the only way its a competitve price is replacing the p64 entirely w 80mm

[eternal birch]

asian mindset

[glossy sail]

P64 can be had second hand for close to 1-1.2k

Also anyone listen to endorffeine jacks interview with David Chang?

[tight gorge]

https://youtu.be/H_Fc5ZAcHxc?si=Kupk330NQYD1iB66

Just started it myself

[junior bobcat]

I can't imagine it's under $2000, over $2000 minimum

• P64 $1800
• P100 $2650
• 01 $2650
• P80? $2200 probably

[mellow sonnet]

Imagine instead of p80 it's lagom02

[tight gorge]

Best part of the interview

https://youtu.be/H_Fc5ZAcHxc?si=eCW88GYw5zpxSlOg&t=51m31s

[mellow sonnet]

Visited my house 🫡 foundation pouring tomorrow

Apparently I'm still on track for January do I believe them? Idk

[weary chasm]

Whelp. Every step towards being finished is nice

Marathon forward

[tight gorge]

yoo thats dope

[boreal solar]

Look at the bright side, they’re rebuilding your home in less time than people have spent waiting for a meticulous.

I’m glad it’s coming along. I’m sure they’re motivated to hit January

[mellow sonnet]

Yep lumber arrives in 2 weeks and then they go vertical

Pretty excited to see progress being made for sure but Jan seems super unrealistic

Might have to pay out of pocket for rent for an extra 6 months after my 1 year is up but that's fine tbh

[desert stirrup]

@cedar otter Ondo 3 ? ? ?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1443991416716802/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[weary chasm]

I wonder what's the current spot called. Enough pictures to find out

https://www.yelp.com/biz/melrose-high-tide-los-angeles

[tight gorge]

Just turn it into a trap house

Monetize the ADU

[mellow sonnet]

I might just fight insurance to extend the rent payments I would never pay for my place myself

3k/month for 900sqft

[glossy sail]

Have to imagine it's a response to the zerno z2? High end 80/83mm

[cedar otter]

Ooooh

[tight gorge]

The place just opened too https://yelp.to/0Im74WFyqf

Their overhead must be insane if they are selling for 75k

[cedar otter]

They are right next to that olive and james place too

[eternal birch]

I believe

I'll bring red rope and a giant scissor

[eternal birch]

10 reviews

went to school around that area though and nothing on that side of melrose lasts tbh

im just super jealous they built a taco bell right in front of my alma mater hs

[cunning moth]

btw are there any meetups coming up? and would love to chat specialty coffee with some people IRL. (i'm in west LA rn and often in south OC for work stuff so a lot of room in between to meetup some time.)

[earnest robin]

Nothing planned

[compact hound]

Had one not too long ago

Don’t see another one happening for at least another couple months

[mellow sonnet]

Hey I have foundation and can host a meet w no power or water 🤡

[weary chasm]

Bring butane stove

And bottled water. 😂

Restroom gonna be an issue though

[tight gorge]

Meanwhile im going opposite direction

[weary chasm]

Is this a picture of a video?

I tried to start it but nothing happened...

[cedar otter]

Always expect to double the time

[cedar otter]

We’re actually gonna go see the space. Is it time for gofundme?

[mellow sonnet]

Ayo? 👀 Ondo 3 this soon?

[cedar otter]

We can prolly host illegal mahjong games in the back lmao

[mellow sonnet]

Yeah why am I seeing mahjong boba parties in SGV

They're all "beginner friendly w no gambling"

Idk if I believe them

[cedar otter]

It’s like the Asian massage parlor that says we don’t do anything illegal

It’s literally next door to a hyped cafe tho

Not sure if our strategy of opening next to a busy shop is working out

[mellow sonnet]

I have better odds playing memestock options casino 💀

[tight gorge]

Tell me your degened Open without telling me you degened open

[tight gorge]

Yeah, my bad

Rest of video is more sticks

[mellow sonnet]

I actually opened a position today bc I like the CEO bc I used to follow Shopify a lot 🤡 and the pay package is appealing

Only 3k thou am up 2k

I hate stocks that are up on nothing substantial

No actual numbers

[tight gorge]

So pltr

[mellow sonnet]

I've been in pltr since they turned profitable bc I saw their flywheel potential

[junior bobcat]

Ay yo sign me up

[weary chasm]

Wow. That's relatively new

[mellow sonnet]

borderlands 4 not optimized and barely hits 60fps on 5090 i shouldve gone for a better gpu rather than being midrange

[boreal solar]

What res?

[mellow sonnet]

4k apparently

owell i guess ill play 1080

i try to do 1440p for any single player game but i guess i cant

[boreal solar]

I use super res a lot on my AMD based systems. Probably could get away with something similar but I’m not sure how well the NVIDIA equivalent is.

[dull adder]

I think they showed off the game at upscaled 1440p with a 5090

Idk didn't look too much into it

[boreal solar]

I’m not really an fps guy these days. So I haven’t really looked either. Was mostly curious how bad my own setup is now.

(FPS as in first person shooter)

Shooter wise I’m more interested in Doom the Dark Ages for the single player campaign.

[edgy onyx]

with some settings tweaked it runs fine apparently

just ships with dogshit defaults

[desert stirrup]

How was the space?!

[cedar otter]

prolly have to be next week

[tight gorge]

fish taco recs better than taco nazo?

[drowsy knot]

first robusta! Roasting tips appreciated…

[boreal solar]

https://yelp.to/wXkn9j9ks6

[tight gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-empire-strikes-back-pinball-darth-vader-djrobe-djspinja-gif-3257198030930080722

[boreal solar]

Tbh Colton and San Bernardino lowkey have better tacos than LA

[tight gorge]

prob, LA tacos midddd

[boreal solar]

I used to like Guisados when in the mood, not sure how they’re doing now that they have 900 locations though.

[weary chasm]

No tips. But I'm curious what your results will be like. If you roast it light, what is it like. If you roast it dark. 😂

"why shouldn't I roast robusta ultra light?"

[boreal solar]

I’d probably go easy with the temp. But I can’t say I’ve done an anaerobic processed robusta so it may behave differently

[drowsy knot]

I doubt I’ll do a light roast on this at least at first. Prob med (filter with milk) & a med/dark for spro blend. They published a cupping score of 85 I think which is wild. Grown around 700 meters. Gotta do density measurements but prob will go lower and slower initially

[drowsy knot]

I actually don’t know if it would be gross ultra light I’ve just read that 😂

[weary chasm]

Yes. You don't know. You need to try it.

😂😂😂

It'll probably be bad.

[boreal solar]

Eh, the processing will probably help.

[drowsy knot]

yeah but the caffeine will kill me…

[boreal solar]

I’d start medium light. Maybe 12% dv.

[cold apex]

$12 timmie gesha from play is

[compact hound]

Petitgrain second try is a lot better than i remembered

[dull adder]

Still solid, at least the one in Redondo.
They mainly do stewed meats (birria) so kinda hard to mess that up imo

[weary chasm]

i still need to redeem my play coin

but maybe i don't ever redeem it.

[mellow sonnet]

I had like 5

Rip fire

[civic crest]

what time did you go? whenever i go they never have the pistacio

[surreal pivot]

Need to see how that new spot Salted Butter Co stacks up

[cedar otter]

tried going yesterday as they are literally stone's throw from the roastery

but they close at 2

and yesterday was extra long roasting session so I got there at like 2:20

looks promising

but they serve lacolombe coffee apparently

[surreal pivot]

😂 it’s ok I’m never interested in any of the coffee at these bakeries

Watching them make lattes at Santa Canela was hilarious

[boreal solar]

That’s an opportunity

Easy delivery and logistics

[earnest robin]

la colombe's draft lattes are good

[compact hound]

Ya thats on my radar

[compact hound]

Got there at 1! I wanted to try the cinnamon roll but they didnt have any

This one is actually a lemon pistachio

Lemon curd filling is really nice

Just wish it had more of it

The pistachio filling is just fine though

I think the pistachios on top is enough

[mellow sonnet]

I was literally there yesterday

This was 11:45

💀

And peanut butter cookies

I literally walk across the st and it's there. Problem being I work 2pm so yeah I'm also there late

[boreal solar]

I can’t help but wonder if the morning buns are bad 😂

[mellow sonnet]

I got it bc it was all that was left? It was ok nothing special and def not 6$ worth

Maybe 4-5

[boreal solar]

Atleast they look pretty generous size wise

[dull adder]

@cedar otter the big group next to me was losing their minds over the coffee at Ondo 2 haha. I think they got the Sidra as an Americano? Anyway they loved it

And they went to Blue Stone Lane recently and said that was trash in comparison

[surreal pivot]

Bub and Grandma’s is good. Better than Lasorted’s, on par with secret, maybe a little better. Apollonia’s still best.

Reminds me of pizza I’ve had in NJ and CT.

[compact hound]

Do they have dine-in?

Was thinking i should wait until they stabilize before trying

Dont want an off trip to ruin it for me

[surreal pivot]

They had some space for standing at counter eating with napkins, but no seating.

Stood in line for about 20 min right when they opened.

Tastes pretty dialed to me, I think you’re safe trying it whenever. Don’t see a need to wait.

[mellow sonnet]

The butter co somewhere there

[cold apex]

i anticipate it being more a play issue than tim issue

roast was actually fine it was definitely teetering on stale though

and it was under extracted

nothing i can complain about though. that's just coffee

[tight gorge]

Tim can be roasty

At least my last purchase one bag was

Sad

[mellow sonnet]

Ya I been drinking tim past few weeks and it's ok? I had better samples from them last year

[terse vale]

That sounds wild

Very curious where you end up, an 86 is high

[surreal pivot]

☹️ I have Karogoto resting. Was hoping it’d be better than the last Tim I had a while ago

[glossy sail]

turning off like vol fog and stuff seems to help. i can hit 230-240 fps on DLSS4

But that's basically just 60fps without frame gen. 60fps on top end system is pretty bad optimization for the game still lol

[weary chasm]

2xko!

[trail tiger]

I decided to just buy on console after seeing the performance problems

[tight gorge]

I agree Apollonias is best. Secret up there but need to revisit.

[tight gorge]

This was early summer? So hopefully your batch is better.

[compact hound]

When did you go

[cedar otter]

What street is this? Prolly can see my roastery as well

[mellow sonnet]

That's w California 😂

[cedar otter]

Haha if u angle it -> this way a little more that’s the roastery

[mellow sonnet]

I could visit u before work

[tight gorge]

2021?

[fallen gulch]

Popping back in here, been a while, had to move out of CA for school stuff, very much miss having the option of going to a multicafe for browsing crazy coffees. Should be coming back sometime in december for christmas with the fam.

Anyway, I was trying to figure out if I should get a paragon espresso and somehow this channel seems to be the place paragon is mentioned the most , I remember long ago using frozen cups or steel whiskey cubes to do the chilling, do y'all think it's worth getting over those just something to put on the christmas wishlists for 'nice coffee things'.

[glossy sail]

xmas wishlist for me personally lol

i just use a new sink strainer with whiskey cubes

[eternal birch]

good

[mellow sonnet]

am I about to be a Stanley owner

[cedar otter]

should I stock some for the holidays hah

[tight gorge]

Making the pilgrimage

[cedar otter]

nice

[mellow sonnet]

Tesla diner food is ok? Kinda over priced

[boreal solar]

Fits the brands image then.

[mellow sonnet]

Across the street from the kpop popup so I had to try but yeah it's meh

[cedar otter]

Came to try wallflour pizza

[dull adder]

I'm going to Tangible Gratitude tomorrow!!

[cedar otter]

Enjoy!

[compact hound]

Mid?

[cedar otter]

BLP is a solid 8

7.5?

[compact hound]

Havent tried

[tight gorge]

Nooo, but this time it wasn’t the best. Tortilla slightly overcooked

Prob my fav burrito in LA

[compact hound]

Wow better than sanoratown?

I still need to try both

[tight gorge]

Cheese pie was my fav, the rest were mid (fennel sausage and pep). Pricey though. 90 for 3 pies with tip

[compact hound]

Sounds about right these days

[tight gorge]

Yeah, very different. Palma is true Mexican burrito

Gotta eat at least 3

[compact hound]

Noted

[tight gorge]

No sides or drinks

[compact hound]

Jinsol Gukbap Buena Park better than ktown location

[tight gorge]

Was Beverly Soon kbbq good? I recall loving the spicy bulgogi

[compact hound]

Never been

Surawon overrated af though

The tofu itself is nice but soup and galbi were very okay

[tight gorge]

It closed two years ago 💀

[compact hound]

Found out seconds before this

Kaju is my personal fav for tofu soup but thats OC

[mellow sonnet]

Bcd 🫡

I think kaju does spicy better and their banchan is better but overall it's the same

I wish BCD did kimchi cucumber bc I would go more

[compact hound]

Dealbreaker

I haven’t been to BCD since I was like 7

[fallen gulch]

Costco has cucumber kimchi in some stores, it's what's been holding off my korean food cravings when I still haven't found a great place for sundubu out in denver

I miss LA

[cedar otter]

So like a couple of years ago

[opal junco]

anyone got dinner recs for Los Feliz area? Gonna catch a show at the Greek tmrw evening. I know there's a ton of Thai spots but we just had that, so open to everything else

[runic heath]

Kismet

Soak in the sunset at Barnsdall after

[lunar fjord]

I personally think it makes a perceptible though small benefit

though not BANA approved Glitch is one of my favorite roasters and cafes and they use it for everything

mechanistically I can't think that there's any benefit using the paragon over whiskey stones or something or even a stainless steel bearing

that being said I just made a cup of the Risaralda Milan with the paragon and it's so good

[dull adder]

See you there!

https://tenor.com/view/stardew-valley-gif-3661809411062193395

[tight gorge]

Yemeni coffee shop 🤔

[mellow sonnet]

Time to start BL4

[opal junco]

i have a friend with a 5090 + 9800x3d and he was laughing off my warnings about performance

he got through about 2 hours before crashing every few minutes

i'd love to join in but like...this is wilds all over again lol

[dull adder]

I felt the gratitude

[mellow sonnet]

Very tangible

[eternal birch]

don cuco

[cedar otter]

@dull adder how was TG

Was any of it tangible

[dull adder]

I enjoyed it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Idk how much I want to say, I'm a bit biased that I didn't pay and we studied together in college

[dull adder]

The last course is a tangible item, so yeah ahah

Okay I'll say some

The pour over was alright. The most disappointing part for me. It was ground on a Varia, he eyeballs splitting the dose between two origami brewers, and he brews by senses/feel. So when it looks and smells how he expects.
He specifically calls out that fact and that the variations are how the coffee expresses in that moment. He has a Fellow scale he could have used, idk I'd have appreciated that part being a bit more elevated.
The "mixed brew" was akin to Endorffeine's cold brew and was good.
Then a milk brew. Coffee cold brewed in milk. I didn't get too much out of the coffee there but it was sorta dessert-esque.
Then a coffee mocktail that was inspired by an old fashioned. That was really good

It's pretty slow, that part is intentional. About 2hrs
It wasn't shilling his clothes but I was talking with him and he wants the clothing to continue and overall be somewhat of a lifestyle brand. We'll see how that goes.
He has consistent business and is exploring more, maybe a leased space.

[desert stirrup]

How was this? I see this place when I drive home from Culver

[tight gorge]

Meh, but it was a fun concept. Latte tasted a bit more spiced than usual so that was nice. But nothing specialty about it . They did serve Turkish coffee and I recall someone asking where they can cop.

[weary chasm]

Would it add if it was ground on an eg-1? (or ek43?)

[weary chasm]

As long as business is good.

[dull adder]

Maybe a bit?
But yeah business is good so..

[weary chasm]

Yeah. Winning erases all sins...

[weary chasm]

Was the coffee mocktail normal coffee or decaf

[dull adder]

Normal coffee. I think he said he used the "mixed brew" (cold brew) for it

Overall I feel like it would be kinda expensive at $125 but I could see myself doing that once

[weary chasm]

As long as the vibes is good

[compact hound]

$125 is insane

[tight gorge]

Who dis

It’s not a video @weary chasm

[weary chasm]

I got hit by a lie

[weary chasm]

If it sells out... Is it bad or good?

[compact hound]

@surreal pivot def had an off experience

[cedar otter]

I was about to ask stop screenshotting videos bc I def pressed play

[cedar otter]

Just fyi Blue Bottle Studio was less than $100 but it packed wayyyyyy more

[weary chasm]

https://bluebottlecoffee.com/us/eng/blue-bottle-studio?srsltid=AfmBOoog-DcYCIpKxjHDnDzvLFJUeS7yrQ1avCFsIrl63XE_QzYrR1pw

first time hearing about this. but its blue bottle's version of Coffee Omakase?

[cedar otter]

Yeah. In LA they did it for like 2 weekends

8 seat omakase reservation only

[weary chasm]

seems like it was done purposely. 😩

[weary chasm]

at $125, i would do sushi omakase. lol.

i did recently buy a random vietnamese book for $80 though. so who am i to say what is value.

https://us.lacaph.com/products/dac-den-dang-the-vietnamese-coffee-book

hopefully the photographs are worth.

[weary chasm]

ohhh.

*** i've been testing blends.

Verve Sermon is actually pretty good for a medium roast.

*at least for espresso. gonna try pourover tomorrow.

[surreal pivot]

Oh nooo what happened??

[compact hound]

Barely heated up

No crisp

It was meh

I need to revisit and get a whole pie

[surreal pivot]

That’s upsetting to hear. They were on point Friday

[drowsy knot]

it was really good - totally worth it for $75

[cedar otter]

Yup!

[weary chasm]

when do these happen?

quarterly? or yearly.

i guess i'm asking my good friend chatgpt

[compact hound]

All g

[crude citrus]

I made it guys. I’m in a timemore ad

[weary chasm]

You get a free grinder with it?

[desert stirrup]

Ozik!

https://discord.com/channels/726985544038612993/1416648865402322984

Guys I need to make LOADS more money

I want to buy Ozik

I also want to get into HiFi

But Lordy Lordy Lordy

I thought coffee and tea were expensive and extremely niche hobbies until I started to read
r/audiophile

[boreal solar]

Are you still using the 078s at home?

[cedar otter]

Coffee is one of the cheapest hobbies you can get into

The ceiling is pretty low

Even if you were to buy all commercial/shop equipment for home

[crude citrus]

Yea I am

[boreal solar]

Fitting then. 🙂 need one of those fancy new tampers and wdt sets they have coming out as payment though.

[desert stirrup]

I just wanna listen to non insano mode Kanye with some nice speakers man

college drop out with a pair of speakers that have a wide soundstage and clear imaging would be sublime

Sensational honestly

[cedar otter]

Pair of good speakers mean nothing if you’re streaming spotify lol

[rough crypt]

the trick is to put like $1k into acoustic treatment, then any speakers sound good

so many audiophile-marketed products are snake oil

[junior bobcat]

Roughly translates to "one who boofs" nice.

[cedar otter]

lmao I just got a DM from somebody who's never interacted w/ our shop before saying "hey, just wanted to bring to your attention that one of your baristas named xxx posted some negative stuff about Charlie Kirk"

immediately deleted and blocked him

he doesn't even follow her

what kind of a stalker is he

[eternal birch]

there's the whole cancel culture going on rn

where they just contact people's employers

for bad things (usually just charlie kirk's own words) posted

[cedar otter]

that's crazy

we just brew coffee dude

[eternal birch]

yeah

there are karens just sitting there, stalking people and calling/messaging employers

[cedar otter]

also if it's someone who's like regularly supported us

who was genuinely concerned

I would open the dialogue and really try to talk

but nah

the last DM he sent was in April 2020 (my first shop) asking if there's a discount for front line workers

LMAO

he just copy&pasted and emailed me

the same DM

[eternal birch]

told u so lmfao

[eternal birch]

also I'd give it a 50% chance he's not a front line worker or moreso not someone actually out there in the front lines

[mellow sonnet]

I was just talking about maybe buying one yesterday

Audio hobby is a crazy rabbit hole where a 3-4k setup and a decent amount of thought goes a long way

I don't think it's that bad

But the urge to upgrade will always be there bc the upper end is so high

[glossy sail]

I went to that lol

[cedar otter]

Fwiw she didn’t publicly post a picture; she shared a reel on her story

[glossy sail]

why is the guy following your barista on IG

thats hella weird

unless hes a regular with her?

[cedar otter]

He’s not even following her

[cedar otter]

She doesn’t know him

Lmao

[desert stirrup]

You’re telling me the 10 grand speaker cables don’t do anything?????

[desert stirrup]

Ayo spotify is rolling out lossless rn

[rough crypt]

bUt tHe cLaRiTy

my favorite are the rocks for your speakers to sit on

actively makes things worse for $500 a pop

[desert stirrup]

Also I’m trying to budget in a good turntable but brother

Shit so expensive

[desert stirrup]

People put their speakers on rocks? ¿

I’ve seen stands

I plan to get some stands for the Dali Oberon 3 I get

[rough crypt]

https://www.dizzystone.store/shop/28787984/speaker-stand

[desert stirrup]

The solid steel stands are sick and a pyramid so better stability against my big jumpy dog

But yoooooo $800???

Expensive metal triangle

[rough crypt]

good stands can make a bit of a difference for sure

but so does $30 of foam lol

[desert stirrup]

Looks classy but I’d just use washing machine pucks

[rough crypt]

tbh that would probably work a lot better

[desert stirrup]

Well I’ll need stands because my room is a rectangle and I like to listen in front of the TV and perpendicular. So stands will be nice to allow me to pivot the speakers

[rough crypt]

i had some Gator stands when my monitors were free standing, they aren't the prettiest but relatively cheap and i'm pretty sure i could hit em with a tractor

i put foam isolation pads on top of the stands, then monitors, worked really well

[desert stirrup]

I think cheaping out on stands is tempting however the resale value and longevity of the nice ones seem like a better move although far more expensive

I’ve never heard of gator stands

[rough crypt]

i think i had these guys https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GFWSPKSM50--gator-frameworks-gfw-spk-sm50-studio-monitor-stands

[desert stirrup]

Bro these look butt ugly

[rough crypt]

hahaha yeah that is the problem with em

[desert stirrup]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55c9c12be4b0f1ce53289916/1557417282320-WPJS2XIV0GP3PXC2VF7T/IMG_0682.JPG

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55c9c12be4b0f1ce53289916/1557417124071-OU0FO8BLLZY18D2WTAX8/SS-6RAW+LS50

These are the SolidSteel stands

[rough crypt]

those are really cool

[desert stirrup]

$800

So fucking expensive

[rough crypt]

god damn

[desert stirrup]

But they’ve been steady sellers since 1996. So I’m sure I can resell them for a similar msrp if I ever choose to rid myself of them

I bet I’ll keep them for as long as I have bookshelf speakers tho

[desert stirrup]

But yeah. That price hurts a lot

[rough crypt]

what speakers you putting on them?

[desert stirrup]

Dali Oberon 3

I found a guy in SFV selling his barely used speakers for half the price

[rough crypt]

ooo

[desert stirrup]

So instead of $950+tax just a 1-1.5hr drive and $425

They cast a wide soundstage

[rough crypt]

lol stands cost more than the speakers

[desert stirrup]

Super immersive and cinematic

[rough crypt]

would look really good tho

[desert stirrup]

Hahahahah

Yeah I know!

One day in the future that won’t be the case

Honestly man, the speakers are the cheapest part of the setup!

Stands: $800
Amp: $1200 (Yamaha r-n1000a but I might do the $600 wiim amp ultra)
Turntable: rega planar p3 $1100
Potential phono preamp: $200

Oh ok second to cheapest part

[rough crypt]

damn

not a bad setup for the price tho

gonna sound real good

i want to upgrade my whole listening setup so bad, but i rent right now so i can't put panels on the walls or anything

desperately want a pair of Genelecs but woudln't feel right putting them in a boomy room

plus they're butt ugly

[desert stirrup]

Most panels are less than 15lbs! You can use the Velcro command strip for art

[desert stirrup]

As much as I want good sound, I can’t do ugly

Interior design is more important

I’m a single man

I gotta keep in mind that a woman (or women 👀) will be visiting my domicile

[rough crypt]

wise

my wife puts up with all my coffee stuff, i try not to push it with the other gear lol

[desert stirrup]

There’s also companies that custom print whatever you want on the acoustic panel that way it’s not just a block of black or white. I would highly recommend doing a wide horizontal painting which could span 3-4 panels then put them side by side on the wall.

It won’t look like a painting (maybe you could add a cheap wood frame?) but it definitely won’t look like acoustic panels

[rough crypt]

now that's a great idea

i should look into that

[desert stirrup]

I’m trying to get to the point where my hobbies are additive in life and aren’t obsessive or take up too much space or time

The moment I read you can do mineral droppers for each cup of coffee was where I draw the line.

I can’t fathom tailoring each and every cup I brew

[rough crypt]

this is a good mindset

[desert stirrup]

I’d rather give up the hobby completely

[rough crypt]

unfortunately, i'm in this deep LOL

[desert stirrup]

NOOOOOOoooooooooo

Lolololol

Man’s shoulders deep

[rough crypt]

for real lmao

[boreal solar]

It used to be that he did a separate roast level labeled as espresso. Surprising he would bleed that into his filter line.

Could also just be evolution of roasters. I feel like the industry is trending lighter. And there’s a small possibility y’all/we all are adapting and he’s doing roughly the same thing

[mellow sonnet]

https://silenceplease.com/collections/all

I want one of these 🤧

Kef also on my list

Genelec u have to get the raw metal ones and have the whole room match aesthetic or it ugly af

[mellow sonnet]

Can u tell her I think she pretty tell her nosy customers need to mind their own business

[desert stirrup]

These look hella interesting

How do they sound thooooooo?

[desert stirrup]

@cedar otter help a brother out

Slide this man her number

[mellow sonnet]

They only have 1 room in NY to test them zzzzzzz

I think the more realistic option is finding a nice set of vintage speakers and fixing them when it comes to cost

Although that depends on how comfortable are you with replacing capacitors

[mellow sonnet]

in Alhambra

[dull adder]

Why not?

I rent too, I'm not aware of anything preventing one from putting things on the wall

[weary chasm]

this is like 50% off right? lol.

🙁 i should get one for the Lab vibes.

even wear a lab coat. lulz.

[cold apex]

i actually think a lot of audiophile stuff is broscience based

i was really into headphones and ny matrix breaking redpill was trying $40 iems that decimated my entire $200-600 range collection

sold them all immediately

[mellow sonnet]

I think tuning has come a really long way the past few years esp for IEMs

[cold apex]

yeah it's pretty crazy just how much similar a $20 pair of chinese iems punches against hi-fi headphones. i miss the open back soundstage but man i love my wallet that much more

[mellow sonnet]

I went from schiit stack + HD660s to now just using a dragonfly Cobalt + 64A Solos

[cold apex]

im just repping my aliexpress usbc dac and some kefine kleans

[mellow sonnet]

I also miss the open soundstage feeling of openback but my ears would get hot and it got uncomfortable which is why I want speakers + iems now 🤡

I think iems having way less resistance make them more appealing than having DAC/amp stacks sitting around on the desk

[cold apex]

yeah and then depending how deep you are into it, you're surrounded by people shouting opposite opinions about how dacs change sound quality

i do not miss r/headphones at all

[mellow sonnet]

My goal for speakers is filling a room nicely without hot spots with at least some directionality bc I don't really sit and listen. It's more like I want something playing while I'm up and doing something

If I sit and listen it's on IEMs anyways

[cold apex]

though thats probably how people feel about coffee people

[mellow sonnet]

I think once u set realistic expectations for what u want out of an audio system it's not that bad

[cold apex]

yeah speakers is def my ideal set up

[mellow sonnet]

But just chasing "quality" is dumb

[cold apex]

i spent my money that i got from selling my headphones and upgraded my cars sound system

and thats my favorite way to listen now

way better investment too because i get to share it with others too

and it was a big improvement instead of meddling around figuring out what headphone you like

[mellow sonnet]

My bmw had really bad sibilance and I gave up on it now I just don't really raise the volume ever

[cold apex]

😭😭😭. my partner's prius bass is either non-existent or plastic-rattling. no in-between

just an on/off switch

[dull adder]

You went down to "just" a setup that is double in price?

[dull adder]

I've been thinking of going IEMs for this reason too

[opal junco]

like these? first google result. i got an ancient pair of etymotics er-6is that are getting a lil uncomfortable https://www.amazon.com/syeindunce-Diaphgram-Headphones-Interchangeable-3-5mm/dp/B0FH4PS9RJ?th=1

[crude citrus]

Someone tell her this man owns a P100 AND a Nautilus

[mellow sonnet]

I went to a more simple setup not a more cheap setup

[dull adder]

I bet it takes up less space too

[mellow sonnet]

Ya no more stuff on the desk other than iems is nice

[boreal solar]

Linea mini is pretty simple. Move paddle, shot go burr.

Or maybe just this Check out this item on OfferUp. https://offerup.co/Sr3g0c4qHWb

[cold apex]

yup, same ones

i like them a lot but theres better out there afaik. chi-fi meta moves fast

[mellow sonnet]

Might upgrade to a bengle bc I like simple 💀 I rarely dialed on decent bc software flow profiling would save every shot basically

[desert stirrup]

Or you can pay one of the AV repair experts in LA.

Personally I don’t want to fuck with vintage stuff

That’s just a big problem and money sink

[mellow sonnet]

It's not that big a problem tbh but u def have to research before purchasing

Look for foam replacement mostly

[desert stirrup]

I agree. That’s why I’m not buying something I can’t sit down and listen to myself. That’s how I settled on the Dalis.

When I heard that encapsulating sound stage, I knew I’d remember them until I can afford something in the $3k+ range

Plus these bad boys are $425 for what seems to be a barely used pair

So it’s a steal!

I also don’t understand these frequency graphs

[mellow sonnet]

U can safely throw those out the window for speakers bc your room acoustics plays a larger factor unless u go all out isolating speakers and foam every wall tbh

The frequency charts are nice for EQ iems and headphones thou

[desert stirrup]

Wharfedale is most likely what you want. Audio Element has all of their stuff

They base their sound on their vintage models heavily

[mellow sonnet]

JBL vintages are super nice

[desert stirrup]

Warm, good bass, and a large sound stage

Super super super easy to listen to

[desert stirrup]

I want to listen to the L52s!

I have yet to find someone in LA that has them in a showroom

[mellow sonnet]

I'm honestly considering converting my home desk setup into a listening room once I move back to my house

If not I'll have a dedicated listening room but that's such a degen bachelor move

[desert stirrup]

Yeah I agree completely. Things got much easier when I set out a goal on what I wanted my system to achieve in my life and the parameters. That allowed me to make decisions much more firmly and stick with them

I just now need to pull the trigger on ordering the few pieces or pick them up this week

I’m excited!

I’ll send pics when it’s all together

[desert stirrup]

Make it a study!

[mellow sonnet]

My coffee setup is workflow first so I'll never consider slow feeding minimal puck prep

[desert stirrup]

Books, music, a desk for writing, a computer

It’s a space of solace and focus

No degen shit happening!

[desert stirrup]

I agree completely

Wasn’t it @compact hound who was feeding one bean every 3s on the nautilus at the last meet up

Whoever that was has some wild time management skills/problems

[desert stirrup]

My man really out here selling the dream that grinders = babes

[cedar otter]

Someone preordered 8 acaia pearls

[mellow sonnet]

I thought I was crazy for a second one

Or they're opening their own shop

[cedar otter]

They are lol

[compact hound]

Maybe the other Allen Tran @glossy sail

[glossy sail]

lol i did not feed a nautilus that way

i just have to feed my EG1 slow on the start or it stalls hahahhahaha

[mellow sonnet]

I know a person who uses the Acaia to bake bc it easy to wipe the top for cleaning

[boreal solar]

I’ve been using my lunar for baking my cooking scale isn’t accurate enough for yeast

[low mantle]

I use my mischief scale for sourdough. It can hold a lot of weight without overloading it.

Looks better than a normal kitchen scale and it’s already out on the counter.

[desert stirrup]

To anyone interested in the audiophile myths, here is someone compiling a loads of articles and studies:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths-the-original-compilation.769887/

There’s even more people commenting similar scenarios here: https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comments/enudw2/anyones_dacamp_cost_more_than_their_speakers/

Sounds like these $8k+ amps don’t do anything better

Speakers actually make a difference though.

I believe turntables also can fall into that category of “actually discernible” upgrades

[mellow sonnet]

dont the phono carts make a diff and everything else is less noticable

[boreal solar]

Heh, sort of over IE ramen places that sell me a bowl for $25 that’s clearly using a powder base.

[desert stirrup]

Yeah practically. What matters on a turntable is a solid build so the vibrations don’t mess with the spinning piece of black plastic. The cartridge is what actually makes the sound

I’d say after $1000-1500 you’re not really getting much in terms of a turntable other than stability, aesthetics, and flexing ability.

[mellow sonnet]

rip all my vinyls that burned

no plans to get back into vinyls now

[desert stirrup]

Simply get a rega planar 3 and buy a stupid expensive cartridge. Then you’ll be set for a long time unless you want a better tactile experience

[desert stirrup]

Aw man why not?

I haven’t had a vinyl collection or a turntable. However they seem so romantic and a way to slow down with your music

[mellow sonnet]

space of storing all the vinyls

[desert stirrup]

Plus owning music

Physically owning stuff man

[mellow sonnet]

i listen to too many genres so digital is easier

[desert stirrup]

Oh yeah I fear the space I will dedicate to vinyl and books

[desert stirrup]

Yeah me too

So I guess I’ll be fucked with shelving space

[mellow sonnet]

cd smaller physical media and easier to find stuff

ill keep w digital and collect cd of albums i really like

[dull adder]

That many vinyls would take up a lot of space

I have a couple vinyls, I'd like to actually get more but it's just expensive

[weary chasm]

But doesn't that make collecting them more cool? Lol

Because it's expensive

[drowsy knot]

It’s only cool if other people KNOW you’re collecting them…

[drowsy knot]

100% Had a friend when I was younger with thousands of records - they were stacked everywhere and took up a huge amount of space. Basically an HP record store in his living room. Probably worth a small fortune now though

[cold apex]

yup. i gave up on ramen basically a month after searching. having worked at a place that serves ramen—almost all soup stock+noodles is from sysco and never made in-house

its almost always a concentrate with added ingredients. which i think is fine. but not worth $25 for something i could prepare with the little amount of effort required

maybe $15 at most. lol

the IE can only dream of LA's east asian food scene

[boreal solar]

It’s just a shame there’s always new identical subpar ramen places opening so I get my hopes up 😅

Also if you haven’t tried it, Menkoi Ya Ramen in Claremont is the offender in this case

[dull adder]

You'd think after nwavguy made his blog posts and introduced the O2 amp that people would know that by now

[cold apex]

oh yeah, been there done that. stopped going about a year ago after rule4flation hit

bowls went from $13 to $18+ and the char siu only got stingier

plus someone that me and my partner didn't like started working there. so there's that

[dull adder]

If the soft boiled egg and chashu aren't on point then I riot

Char siu at a Japanese ramen shop?

Was that a typo

[weary chasm]

What if it's Chinese Japanese fusion

[boreal solar]

I’ll probably just stick to pho in Rancho.

[fallen gulch]

At 18$ I'd just buy Char siu from a chinese grocer and put it in shin black lol

[cold apex]

ignorance is showing. i reckoned chashu and char siu were alternative words of the same item

but yes, chashu :p

[dull adder]

Both very delicious pork. But yeah Chinese vs Japanese

[twilit rivet]

https://www.baristamagazine.com/case-study-how-one-los-angeles-cafe-is-overcoming-challenges/

[weary chasm]

After nine and a half years of business, Mo was forced to cut K+M’s business hours from daily to Thursday through Sunday this past June. Although the move was a devastating necessity to keep business alive, Mo is truly excited for this new era that she coined “Long Weekend at K+M.”

mon, tues usually slow.

[boreal solar]

That feels so weird to me. But I only really worked in a city pre covid. And I suppose remote work is much higher than back in the day where workers would pile into coffee shops on break or lunch etc

[weary chasm]

its def the new normal.

i enjoy the remote work.

but i guess it hurts other industries that cater to in-person work

[boreal solar]

Indeed. Also doesn’t help that inflation has made it so even the middle class don’t like to grab drinks out daily.

As a whole of course. I know there’s exceptions, obviously

[weary chasm]

why buy a drink for $5 coffee when you can just make it at home???

[boreal solar]

Doesn’t help that people don’t respect baristas as a craft in the US. Tipping on a coffee is unfathomable for some.

Dump grinds and hot water gets poured over. Coffee go mmmm

[eternal birch]

I only respect some baristas tbh

hard working/skilled ones

theres a lot of bum baristas pulling coal ass and not giving a shit about being a barista

[fallen gulch]

I think for many people tips end up just being a table service restaurant thing, and when every counter service place started asking, people made one decision about that entire POS interface and just tap custom -0 or no-tip on autopilot

tip request coming before service also throws a lot of people off

[desert stirrup]

Wait I don’t know what you are referring to. Can you link that? I’m interested!

Welp

Guys

I’m getting laid off

Literally days after I bought all my HiFi equipment too 🫠

@rough crypt you think I should hold onto the stuff and enjoy them while I’m broke and have all this free time???

It’s tempting

Imagine spending my unemployment check on records

Also also also

Z1 still hasn’t come

Unemployed and Z1-less

:’(

[vivid violet]

crap, sorry to hear Reub

[dull adder]

Depends on your savings and what your job market looks like. But personally I'd reduce spending to essentials

Yeah sorry to hear about that. That sucks

[dull adder]

https://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/07/o2-headphone-amp.html#objectivepitch

[desert stirrup]

Don’t worry. All this is a blessing in disguise. I’ve been meaning to quit this bum ass job for a while. I’ve been slowly applying to jobs and was planning on ramping up in October to bounce in early 2026.

This email just pushes that timeline up and puts a fire under my ass

[vivid violet]

only a Z1 every few months, instead of every month

[desert stirrup]

Although upsetting and apprehensive in many ways, I’m glad this is happening

Plus severance and my 200 hours of PTO is gonna be killer when it hits

[dull adder]

Essentially guy makes anonymous blog, writes about other equipment and electrical engineering behind amps and dacs, makes his own freely licensed cost effective design where anyone can produce it to his reference spec
Then he just disappears

[desert stirrup]

Like 10k+ I bet

[desert stirrup]

Holy fuck