Los Angeles/OC/San Diego 🌈

[weary chasm]

So even without the whole tariff situation, it would have taken like 2-3 weeks.

Whereas if you buy off Amazon it's overnight. 🤣🤣

[boreal solar]

I’ve had the air75 and the aire60he. Both have been great.

[weary chasm]

I use nuphy air v60 moss

[eternal birch]

@lunar fjord get f1-8x

[boreal solar]

I ordered from the site but I’d suggest going third party right now 😂

[eternal birch]

endgame board trust

[mellow sonnet]

Nuphy good for prebuilts tbh but I've been around in keebs too long to ever use a prebuilt

[eternal birch]

my f1 is I think one of the first 300 made? its a v1

still my daily, I swap between plateless and alu plate

[boreal solar]

Totally fair. I was recommending it since he asked for babies first.

[mellow sonnet]

Rip I canceled my v2 order

Ya get a nuphy unless ur interested in building a board then get qk

Or if u want something unique will take hunting

[boreal solar]

Just don’t get a keychron. I’ve ordered two of them and both were defective. I’m not even that picky keyboard wise and I’ve ended up returning both.

[eternal birch]

you dont like tkl though

[weary chasm]

Pre-built is pretty nice.
Nuphy gets all the three.

Bluetooth, wired and the 2.4 ghz

[mellow sonnet]

My setup bc I don't have a desk 😂

[boreal solar]

Seems in line for the guy who had a decent and no furniture.

[mellow sonnet]

Am on a flair now

[weary chasm]

Is it jank?

[mellow sonnet]

Am honestly super interested in the met at this point

[boreal solar]

Which flair?

[weary chasm]

How's the work flow

[mellow sonnet]

I miss the consistency but I'm pretty sure it's bc I don't have a wdt tool or a funnel yet

[boreal solar]

Meticulous seemed interesting when I played with @vivid violet’s. But I don’t think I’d want something without steaming personally

[lunar fjord]

milk you mean?

[mellow sonnet]

Ya going to try out on Sunday

[boreal solar]

It’s too much fun to mess around with latte art. And my wife likes lattes

[lunar fjord]

I'm so tired of cleaning the decent

[mellow sonnet]

Super exited to see it irl

[lunar fjord]

it's a pita

want to go back to flair workflow which I think the met will be like

[boreal solar]

The thing that surprised me about the met is that it’s actually sort of hefty.

Which is probably a good thing build quality wise. Just caught me off guard

[lunar fjord]

does it feel plasticky

[mellow sonnet]

The water tray is so ass

[lunar fjord]

or nice

yea the water tray

all the little moving parts

having to buy a scale stand

[mellow sonnet]

The water tray is the main thing stopping me from buying another decent

[boreal solar]

Bianca’s was sort of arse too. The mini is probably the closest I’ve had to one I like.

[lunar fjord]

having to remove the drip tray to get to the water tray, having to lift the little water intake thing

[cedar otter]

Just get a qwertykeys

[lunar fjord]

it's just an extremely unpleasant workflow

[cedar otter]

Maybe a 75% or a 65%

[mellow sonnet]

I'm like 90% sure I'm going to convert to a smaller machine and just have more space

Qk 🫡

Qk honestly so good

It's insane

[boreal solar]

Sanremo cube seems like it would match your fashion aesthetic tbh

[cedar otter]

really good for ur bang

[mellow sonnet]

I actually almost bought a cube before I got the de1

[cedar otter]

Hah

[boreal solar]

I considered it too. Hx for the price point scared me off. But damned if it isn’t pretty

[lunar fjord]

yea cube looks super pretty

[boreal solar]

Heh, I still need to get the acaia inset tray for the linea if I keep it. Those extra couple inches would make me so happy. But I also refuse to overpay on principal since it’s such a simple part

[cedar otter]

I see one occasionally on sale in here or home barista

[tight gorge]

this reminded me to get a bookoo before the price goes upppp

[vivid violet]

I should also receive the Met Milk when it ships, so we can try it out again.

my HX is being serviced, so in the meantime I'm just microwaving milk for my coffee drinks, and it's been okay

[weary chasm]

The dreo is actually pretty good

If anyone is looking for a $100 or so milk frother

[cedar otter]

All this tariff talk makes me wanna be a US-only multi roaster

Diego Bermudez approached me and says he wants to give me lower rate

[tight gorge]

For native?

Also funny that Jack is serving funk now

[cedar otter]

Yeah

[boreal solar]

No more September?

For a second I thought you meant you were only going to stock American beans origin wise. I should probably go to bed soon.

[cedar otter]

The catch is that I have to use his beans on bar haha

But honestly his pricing is not bad

Esp with that additional discount

[tight gorge]

Do it so I can finally buy some

Get some Hachi

[cedar otter]

Haha I did last time!

But somebody came in on the first time and scooped 4 hachi bags

Imma negotiate with diego and ask him if I can buy his hachi greens too

[mellow sonnet]

Keeping him on bar would be easier if u weren't serving your own funk beans already

A rotation of like 1 funk bean on bar at all times isn't that bad

Unless u get to roast his green 👀

[cedar otter]

Maybe I move away from funk 👀

Clean beanz only

[old cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[dull adder]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[lunar fjord]

what is hachi all about? I followed the project's IG so I see it on my feed but I still have no clue what it is

[cedar otter]

It’s basically Diego + Hartman’s project for expensive greens

[boreal solar]

Throw me a couple lbs if you do.

Just for personal consumption. I’m going to miss those larger bags

[tight gorge]

this is what drinking coal for two weeks straight does to a man

[glossy sail]

Nothing wrong with this I think

Gonna visit Mason at luminous today! Gonna see an ozik for once too lol

[lunar fjord]

You’re the best

[boreal solar]

Keep a little funk on the pour over menu though.

[rough crypt]

are there any folks in Los Angeles that have experience servicing La Pavonis? i have a sleeve replacement that cracked and i could use some help from someone with experience 😦

[dull adder]

I have some experience, I rebuilt my pre-mil La Pavoni

Ah it looks like a millennium machine has an additional sleeve in the group, I wasn't aware of that.
Is it that you need help with removing that part?

[rough crypt]

yeah, the part with the notches snapped off when i tried to unscrew it so i'm a bit stuck

can't get it out to replace it 😦

[dull adder]

You might need to get creative. Cut some slots in to help screw it out or something. I don't really have the skillset for these things 😅
This may be a "take it to a local machine shop" type job

Stefano's Espresso Care has a new group for $330 😶

[rough crypt]

yeah that might be the solution 😐 hoping i don't need a new group but one way or another it'll get working again...

[dull adder]

Maybe #lever-machines might have some knowledge on what to do here. I'm sure you've searched online/forums
Or hopefully someone here with that skillset can chime in

[mellow sonnet]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DH8c8N9TRE-/

Suica spotted

[compact hound]

@tight gorge

[tight gorge]

Dang, $2?

[compact hound]

Yessir

[steel crest]

Now thats carne asada

[desert stirrup]

Whoa whoa whoa, drop the coordinates

[lunar fjord]

man this was a great article

[compact hound]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/MBfzS7CEhdRkfZXC6?g_st=ic

Set up shop here pretty much every day starting around 4-5

$2 a taco

Pastor and carne asada is the way to go

Load up on the pickled red onion and habaneros

No limes unfortunately just lemons

Been here 20+ times and ive never been skimped

[dull adder]

That's right up the street. Maybe I should go find out what their white guy prices are

[cold apex]

this guy is like a food whisperer i swear

pastor is my fav so this looks like a must stop

asada is my gfs

[lunar fjord]

I ended up getting a field 75 HE

Hope it’s good

[compact hound]

@tight gorge

[tight gorge]

Heat

Top donut is dank af

Their sandos haven’t hit as much as they used to the last few times

I’m hungry now

[compact hound]

Blood orange was my fav

Boston creme and cinnamon sugar were the runner ups

[boreal solar]

I pretty much just use TooGoodToGo for donuts now. There’s always something local for a good price.

[compact hound]

Breakfast sandwich was an unexpected heater

Easily best breakfast sandwich ive had

Eggs were cooked beautifully

[tight gorge]

The fluffiness is next level

And their breads are dank

[compact hound]

Ty for the recc bro

B&G wasn’t really on my hit list until you confirmed it was heat

Would definitely come back to try their lunch sandwiches

[tight gorge]

I need to move to NELA asap, lunch options so sad in SM

[eternal birch]

there's some good sandwiches!

[mellow sonnet]

Stradas are so pretty

[tight gorge]

Malou Coffee in Brentwood

[desert stirrup]

Damn bro that’s far from me, I’m in West LA buuuuuut I work in south LA so I will bookmark this for the next time I’m in the office.

[gleaming prairie]

Super hero avacado vs. Y-wing avocado. FIGHT!

[desert stirrup]

Your name doesn’t even have the word “avocado” in it

Automatic loss

[gleaming prairie]

I was on a competitive gaming team named Guac tho... I think that gets me some avocado street cred

[vivid violet]

I assume you are a connoisseur of all things avocado.. including the luchador-inspired game "Guacamelee!" ?

[desert stirrup]

Wait what place is this!? The sandwich looks amazing! Especially that scrambled egg!!

[desert stirrup]

Wait is this an app that gives you free donuts??

This is the first I’m hearing of it

[boreal solar]

It gives you deals on excess merchandise from local restaurants, cafes and bakeries

[desert stirrup]

I’m only now learning about this game but it looks good!

I do love avocados and I do make guacamole often in my molcajete. Ever since I got one and learned to make guac in it I never went back to any other way. The flavors and textures really do shine when pounded and crushed versus smashed in a bowl. It’s like pesto; traditional method is laboring but worth the pain

[desert stirrup]

Holy fuck this must be amazing in LA

I’ll look into this ASAP

Thanks for the tip

[boreal solar]

It even works pretty well out here in the IE. But I have used it in LA and it does well there.

[desert stirrup]

Yeah you right I’ll give you some leeway but you watch yourself bub.

These avocado streets and alleys aren’t kind. You’ll quickly be bruised and browned if you check yourself

[gleaming prairie]

ABL - Always be lemonin to stay fresh

[earnest robin]

I need recs for Friday kbqq spot in ktown

[gleaming prairie]

AYCE? high end? best budget?

[dull adder]

Dude you'd pass like 300+ taco stands to get to this one

There's one literally a 30 seconds walk from my house. It's just that they charge me $5 a taco

[earnest robin]

Ayce

And maybe high end

Just want to see something new 🙂

[desert stirrup]

$5/taco!?!? damn they better be big and high quality!

Also yeah there’s a Leo’s taco in walking distance

Has spoiled me immensely

Also, anybody selling a P64 and DE1Pro/XL? or maybe knows someone who is?

Trying to avoid these tariffs man

But I might have to just eat the cost

[gleaming prairie]

#marketplace-discussions ?

[desert stirrup]

I want to make my own cortados

[desert stirrup]

Posted here and on Reddit

One guy on Reddit is selling a practically new DE1Pro but homie stopped responding :’(

250 shots pulled and only $3k

What a deal

[boreal solar]

I posted my linea mini on Facebook marketplace and I’m getting bombarded with messages. Makes me think the 3800 is too low but no one was biting here so I don’t know anymore. 🤷‍♂️

[gleaming prairie]

I haveny some AYCE in a bit, but asking my buddy who goes into Ktown a lot

[desert stirrup]

Have you seen the LA KBBQ matrix?

[cedar otter]

they also bombard you and never follow up

it gets very tiring haha but good luck with the sale

[desert stirrup]

Facebook sales suck ass

It’s one of Dante’s hidden circles of hell

In between Limbo and and Greed

[desert stirrup]

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/messidude/viz/LosAngelesCounty-KoreanBBQComparison/Dashboard1

I would highly recommend using a desktop or requesting the desktop site if using Chrome on the phone

I believe he has done with Indian restaurants in SF and plans to do this for taco stands or restaurants in LA

[compact hound]

Bro wtf?! $5 a taco from a random street stand is fucked up

[compact hound]

Bub & Grandmas! They stop serving their breakfast items at 11 though so make sure to be on time

[eternal birch]

just plain ol tacos? not TJ style or anything?

[dull adder]

Don't worry I buy Taco Bell and walk through their booth with it 😅

[compact hound]

I like to tip generously at taco stands when i can but wow if I was told $5 a taco i’d just say nvm LOL

Just pull up to the stand i sent i dont think theyll rip you off

[dull adder]

It's pretty good but yeah I don't tip since I'm already spending a grip lol

[compact hound]

The workers are hella friendly

[gleaming prairie]

high-ish end? but don't think they do AYCE. I liked it https://www.quarterskbbq.com/

[boreal solar]

My favorite is the weird requests.”can you take a video of the machine with a wide angle lens pulling a 30g shot into a kinto glass wrapped in tin foil while hopping on one foot?”

[gleaming prairie]

agreed. EA MP is way better. But my BBE def moved quicker on FB, and I only had one ghoster. 2nd buyer got it which was super nice.

[boreal solar]

Currently have someone coming out tomorrow to buy it at asking. Hoping it works out. Also have like twenty other messages waiting for me and feeling super anxious and overwhelmed about it. Lineas are hot items I guess

[mellow sonnet]

Minis were 4.5k and got price bumped to 6k around 2018 so anybody getting a mini for price of micra or less is pretty happy

[vivid violet]

Bub and Grandma's has the best french baguettes. soooo tasty.

[compact hound]

Will probs try a sandwich w/ their french baguette there next time

[vivid violet]

we really liked it just as fresh bread at home.. 😅

[boreal solar]

I’m still getting dozens of offers for like 2k though.

[tight gorge]

Trying this today! Hype

[compact hound]

Lmk if you think its worth the trouble

[tight gorge]

Local area man goes to brentwood for pizza but thinks Glendale is trouble

[eternal birch]

tbf you are playing irl frogger in glendale

[mellow sonnet]

Ondo got 5 boxes of 011

[weary chasm]

Did ondo get alcohol license? Lol

[mellow sonnet]

That's beans

People possession is beans

Just in cans

[boreal solar]

Hey, I see this all the time though. Different cities just have different reputations for distance regardless of travel time 😂

[tight gorge]

Yeah I’m equal opportunity, 40 min is 40min

[boreal solar]

Anything interesting at Ondo? I should probably stop drinking this three day post roast Diego Bermudez 😂

[boreal solar]

In my experience a lot of my friends from Pasadena see IE and freak out even though in Rancho we’re closer to them than they are to the beach for instance

[fallen gulch]

this number is one lower now

at least

(I bought one lol)

[compact hound]

LMFAO both are

[eternal birch]

damn I dont think I can make the keeblife thing anymore

[tight gorge]

Just casually exposing myself to forever dry cleaning chemical gases

[mellow sonnet]

I forgot to check out ondo bathroom again smh

[fallen gulch]

you really should, the doorstop is great

the beans I grabbed

[mellow sonnet]

And the purple bag too

[fallen gulch]

uhh I can't find the purple bag I think I forgot to pull it out of my backpack lol

ah found it

slid into a diff pocket

[unique tusk]

It was a nice selection when I was there a few days ago. I bought the last Glitch and a pre-Tanat Kawa, I was terribly tempted by the People Possession and Coffee County, and the Canadian coffees of September and Subtext had a superb selection.

[compact hound]

@tight gorge where kebab

[vivid violet]

I like Original Kebab Factory:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/pGcuhGrnKpJb3xd79

[mellow sonnet]

Minikabob in Glendale 🫡

[tight gorge]

My friend ended up getting minikabob. He’s childhood friends with the owner.

It’s dank af so not complaining

[mellow sonnet]

Full m00n

I really need to get a tripod handheld

Supposed to be pink but I'm not seeing it

[earnest robin]

How was it? DId you get tan/aryan with it?

[tight gorge]

Didn’t end up getting it :/

[eternal birch]

& kettl

[boreal solar]

That’s looks really nice. I like the vibe

[turbid herald]

Nice, been meaning to try out Kettl. What’d you get?

[eternal birch]

got the genmaitcha and gf got an expensive one

its very good

[compact hound]

Thoughts?

[eternal birch]

pricy but super good, is the chicken one better?

headed to sora craft kitchen for dinner though, looks amazing

[compact hound]

Only tried the chicken one but @tight gorge says the chicken is the best

[tight gorge]

Yeah, I’m a lamb/beef guy but here chicken is way better

[boreal solar]

I usually go for lamb most places. Been doing chicken more lately since I’m starting to get slightly high cholesterol 😅

[desert stirrup]

I just want to say, I’m proud of you all trying and enjoying lamb.

I’m not sure why my peers up until college didn’t enjoy or even try lamb or goat meat but I find those meats delightfully gamey and grassy for a lack of better terminology

It also could be because I grew up in a small town in Texas as the only brown guy in town

[eternal birch]

lamb is very difficult to pull off so I only order it if I think that the restaurant can source good lamb and cook it well

[mellow sonnet]

anybody feel anything

In SD

[weary chasm]

Where was the earthquake

I got the alert

[mellow sonnet]

SD

[weary chasm]

Thought it was fake

Then I felt it

[mellow sonnet]

I didn't feel anything but am really far lmao

[civic crest]

didn't feel anything by me

[boreal solar]

We felt it. Which makes sense since we’re slightly closer to SD than you guys.

[mellow sonnet]

My friend in OC said he felt nothing 🥴 he must be drunk or something

[boreal solar]

But it was pretty mild. Was enough that school messaged us to let everyone know they’re ok.

Looks like it was a ways from the coast. Makes sense I’d feel more in Rancho than the OC then

It was near Julian.

[tight gorge]

Felt it in SM

Right before the text came

[mellow sonnet]

I got the notification and then a pop up warning to take cover after

🥴

[boreal solar]

I felt it after the notification.

[desert stirrup]

That’s crazy

I felt nothing

And I’m in west Adams

[low mantle]

Shook my house pretty good in Fallbrook.

[vivid violet]

yeah there were some good rumblings and books falling over in Pas

[obtuse laurel]

im in SD and that was wild

sounded like 20 fighter jets just flew over the house

[turbid herald]

Didn’t feel anything in Hollywood area

[boreal solar]

@carmine coyote did your Argos ship within the US?

Curious if the price increase is what you see is what you get or if there’s a chance of extra duty on delivery

[ornate ingot]

I'm in Woodland Hills, got that earthquake notif, but nothing over here. Not even a slight tremor

[earnest robin]

Nothing for me as well. I received a message and expected shock

[brave crystal]

One guy in the office got a notification 20–30 seconds before anyone else, so everyone else thought it was fake. lol We didn't feel anything, though.

[lunar fjord]

I figure it applies here too, Dayglow in NYC stocked Glitch

manager there said it's a company wide thing

[carmine coyote]

I was actually in the area and picked it up from the company

[boreal solar]

Oh right. I forgot about that. You had the tour 🙂

[desert stirrup]

I found goat has quite a bit of collagen and connective tissue similar to a chuck roast near the brisket side. Long cook times in braises or roasts do it well.

I’ve dry brined a goat leg and let it sit in the fridge uncovered over night before a roast but I haven’t wet brined or even tried searing it off like a steak. Something I thought of is maybe you can slice a leg of lamb into large fillets, brine, then sear as a steak.

Maybe someone or some culture already does this

Also

[eternal birch]

most goat I've eaten has been stewed

[desert stirrup]

I got the email that I can buy a Z1. It’ll cost about $1650 with shipping.

P64 costs $1780 with shipping before tariffs.

This grinder will be for espresso only. I want the P64 but damn bro, tariffs are doing their job and pushing me to the American made option

Has anyone had hands on time with both? I’d appreciate hearing the differences in work flow.

Someone was selling their P64 here for a Z1 awhile back and someone commented on their post saying the P64 was quieter and faster.

I find a quieter and faster grinder to be a big plus is work flow

[boreal solar]

Get the Z1 for the blind burrs, better ionizer and smaller form factor.

The p64 is a nice grinder but tbh it’s starting to show its age a bit and it’s not worth more than a philos or Zeno.

[desert stirrup]

Ok we getting the Z1

Now

Burr time

I only have pour over experience but I enjoy high flavor separation and sparkling acidity.

The Z1 will be espresso only. Rn I have CV2 and MPv2 in my car to have a “medium body, medium clarity” burr and a “light body, high clarity” burr.

Should I rather get HU and MPv2 to have “high body, low clarity” and “low body, high clarity” or would I quickly hate and sell the HU given I drink light roasts

I guess what burr or 2 burrs would be best for me to learn and develop my espresso palette on?

[mellow sonnet]

Z1 got rid of ionizer btw

But yes it has good workflow

I always enjoyed 64 MPs for spro but the dial in window is very narrow and made it underwhelming to use majority of the time

I have no experience w any of the 64mm CV burrs so I would defer opinions on those to other people

If you do and up going p64 I will say the mizen burrs to me were very boring bc how safe they were w the taste profile

Not super blendy, not high clarity, just tasted boring

[weary chasm]

Too neutral? Lol

[desert stirrup]

@mellow sonnet what burr or burrs do you think I should get as a newbie espresso aficionado?

It will be paired with DE1Pro so a lot to play with and adjust on the machine itself

[mellow sonnet]

The MPs were def my favorite but u gotta be ok w a smaller dial window

[boreal solar]

Some people love mizens for that exact reason though. 😂 they’re less sharp and more balanced while still having more clarity than a conical profile.

[mellow sonnet]

I need my excitement in life

[boreal solar]

I personally think of them as a good middle ground for medium light roast fans that enjoy milk drinks from time to time.

[mellow sonnet]

I think burrs are something u gotta try yourself tbh

There is no easy answer

Meetups are your friend

[boreal solar]

I’m espresso machine less. Pour over club until I buy something now.

Which will probably be soon because I’m an addict

[mellow sonnet]

Or be a catch and release person and sell equipment as you go

Pourover gang

[boreal solar]

I did get 3800 for that linea.

[mellow sonnet]

Niceee

I was super set on a sanremo you but now I'm eyeing the meticulous

[boreal solar]

I’m bouncing between an r24 and a decent right now.

[mellow sonnet]

Gave me cups comparable to my old decent and way smaller footprint which is what I prob want bc I'm 90/10 filter/spro

[boreal solar]

Or buying a Pavoni on marketplace. Fixing it up and flipping it after using it as a holdover for an Argos

[mellow sonnet]

Rory's met gave me very good impressions

[boreal solar]

I liked the met as well. But I like having a steam wand to mess with latte art from time to time

I wonder which I would get first if I ordered between the met and the Argos 😂

The fact that’s a question speaks to the Argos supply chain issues

[desert stirrup]

Such an expensive hobby

[desert stirrup]

We doing a meet up to blind taste test some SSP burrs soon????

[mellow sonnet]

We had one last month 😢

Supposedly the goal is one every quarter?

Like 3-4 meets a year

Although everybody was having too much fun w 98mms at the last meet kek

[tight gorge]

More like blind taste choked brews

[boreal solar]

I have a coffee buddy visiting in late June. So I may try to host one around then. 🤷‍♂️

But I’m in Rancho. So I dunno if anyone would come

[weary chasm]

You're not going to Yolo buy something?

Lol.

Buy made in America! kafatek /s

But anyhow. Yeah. Just gotta try more.

At a certain point you might just settle for a certain price point flavor profile

[boreal solar]

Zerno is MIA(made in America…although with the backlog missing in action is valid too)

[desert stirrup]

Buy a decent with me!

[boreal solar]

There’s one for 3200 in Hollywood I’m debating at the moment.

But I’m worried it’s too programmable for me. For instance the xbloom feels hollow to me

[desert stirrup]

Fack

[desert stirrup]

If we try loads of SSP burrs I’ll make the drive

[mellow sonnet]

This guy forgot his catchcup and said fuck it I'm selling it

[desert stirrup]

Aren’t they made in Seattle?

[boreal solar]

It’s easier to sell than wipe it down.

[boreal solar]

Seattle is in America

[desert stirrup]

For my first espresso set up - hell nah

[desert stirrup]

That do be how geography works

[desert stirrup]

WHERE?!

[weary chasm]

Was gonna suggest lmlm x niche zero

[desert stirrup]

Send link

[weary chasm]

But niche zero is probably priced out

Lol

At $800 maybe.

[boreal solar]

I’ll tell you when I decide not to buy it

[weary chasm]

At $1500, might as well get an acaia orbit

[mellow sonnet]

That decent box for 150$ always gets me when I look at fbmp smh

[boreal solar]

Team philos.

[desert stirrup]

Nah I want to change burrs and not fuck everything up

[boreal solar]

Sounds like you want a Zerno then.

Though the philos is pretty easy to swap burrs on.

The sculptor and df64 are your enemy if you don’t want to fidget with alignment

[desert stirrup]

I’ll most likely get a Zerno

Now it’s just choosing burrs

[boreal solar]

Just buy ssp Hu if you’re not sure. Probably the better balanced option out there

[desert stirrup]

That’s what I’m thinking

Or CV2

[boreal solar]

Although tbh if it’s your first setup you’re probably overthinking it.

[mellow sonnet]

Timemore 64ssp

[boreal solar]

When I first started getting into espresso I probably wouldn’t have been able to tell you the difference

[boreal solar]

I still have ptsd from my 064s burrs jamming 😂

[weary chasm]

Wait. Is this your first espresso setup?

You can just get a nice Conical too

Starseeker edge is not bad for the price.

[desert stirrup]

Yeah I def am

[weary chasm]

You can have that as a backup

While you're waiting on a zerno or whatever

[desert stirrup]

It is. I’ll be using a J ultra to learn until my Z1 comes in august

[weary chasm]

You using a flair power tower or similar?

Or you gonna hand grind.

[desert stirrup]

Hand grind baby

I gotta put in the work

[weary chasm]

Tell me how that goes.

Best of luck

[desert stirrup]

The 10,000 revolution

[weary chasm]

While you're throwing away money

You can grab some fancy baskets too

[desert stirrup]

I want to try the Weber baskets

I’ll sell the J ultra once the Z1 comes

3-4 months

I can hand grind for a season

[weary chasm]

Have you tried?

[desert stirrup]

Muscle up my forearms

I hand grind for filter

Seasoned 2kg on Pietro in 48hrs

[boreal solar]

FYI the j series has a pretty drastically different profile from ssp flat burrs.

[desert stirrup]

I have the energy and will power of the sun within me

[desert stirrup]

Amazing

I want that

I need to taste all the differences

[weary chasm]

Then you should go full manual

[boreal solar]

Feels like a lot of money to spend on a Zerno as a first grinder tbh…

[weary chasm]

I think you'll have more fun with like a flair 58

[desert stirrup]

Nah I want to try profiles and experiment of decent

[desert stirrup]

I wanna steam!

[boreal solar]

Argos. You can race them

Which arrives first?

[desert stirrup]

I just learned what argos is

Looks nice

Maybe in the future

[weary chasm]

You can buy a dedicated steamer.

The most popular is Bambino

That's $300

[boreal solar]

The new flair steamer works well supposedly.

[desert stirrup]

Nah I don’t want all these small things then upgrade

I did that with pourover

I learned my lesson

I also know coffee is a fun hobby I enjoy

So but once cry once

[boreal solar]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1689007451823405/?mibextid=wwXIfr just gagguino this guy.

[weary chasm]

Fwiw, decent is kind of soul less

Lol

[weary chasm]

Have you reached the setup of

V60 x ek43

V60 x pietro is good too

[desert stirrup]

I was thinking of doing that but then I thought “damn that’s a mess. I’d rather learn and enjoy a nice machine”

Also

I’m not broke

[boreal solar]

Nor am I. But we all might be soon according to forecasting 😂

[desert stirrup]

I have many limited edition v60s x Pietro

[desert stirrup]

Don’t jinx me

I don’t want to drop $8k on espresso and lose my job and portfolio value

RIP to that guy who bought a DE1 and Z1 then had to sell it the moment he got it cuz he lost his job

That would suck major ass

[weary chasm]

Did you buy from him?

Or would you

Anyhow. Well.

I think if you have the funds.

Then they're all good machines.

nice

Get a Bluetooth scale if you haven't.

Stop by weight is nice

[desert stirrup]

I got a lunar

I’m trying to hit espresso nirvana on day 1 my guys

No fooling around

[desert stirrup]

I missed out but I may have

He was selling a white setup

I want black and green

I like earth tones

[eternal birch]

ill try hosting one on my roof when it opens

[weary chasm]

It's the journey that matters

Favorite espresso machine

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[mellow sonnet]

Journey that matters

Just don't burn down your setup

[desert stirrup]

I work from home 99% of the time so I won’t fuck it up

I’ll savor it

Don’t you all worry

Just gotta get it right

[desert stirrup]

Also wtf is even that?

[boreal solar]

I have a soft spot for my old la Pavoni. 😂 maybe I should fix up another one and wait for an Argos

FYI @desert stirrup https://shop-us.mazzer.com/products/philos philos is back in stock.

[weary chasm]

The best espresso machine

[boreal solar]

Black only but that matches your setup anyway. 🤷‍♂️

[boreal solar]

The nomad just vanished off the face of the earth. It was so popular two or three years ago

[weary chasm]

When you have funds, you can also get a 49mm set up. Whether it's a step down or you change the group head

49mm better than 58mm as popularized by lance hedrick

[weary chasm]

It's a meme from Brian. But that's it. 🤣

It's unironically really good

[boreal solar]

The trend is ending judging by the flooding of the market by stepdown baskets

[weary chasm]

Uniterra nomad x titan grinder is so good

😭

It's so nice

[boreal solar]

Cafelat robot is also just cuter

[weary chasm]

Robot is old school art

Nomad is a kids toy

Or modern museum

[weary chasm]

I also want this

But hard to justify

[ornate ingot]

Aw man what the shit

Can't believe I just did that

[weary chasm]

Bean water

[ornate ingot]

It's hard to get all the beans out even filling it up with water for them to float

there are nooks they get stuck in

This is like throwing 20 picks through a guitar sound hole

Amazing. I even innovate in the espresso screw-up scene

[boreal solar]

Atleast it’s a Pavoni.

Also be thankful you didn’t grind it first 😂

[surreal pivot]

Might as well wait for the Bookoo

[desert stirrup]

You get thiccy shots from MP?

[desert stirrup]

I absolutely loathe how the philos looks. It was never in the ring in the first place. I appreciate the thought nevertheless

[desert stirrup]

Is it actually? Is that the consensus?

I want to get the Phase 3 sworks but it’s not in stock and I don’t see anyone selling it

I’ll try that and then decide to go group head install

But then all my accessories will need to be changed

So even more money just thrown into the coffee ether 😭

[drowsy knot]

I’m running brews on the left for light roast pourover and spro and then cv2s on the right for med roast pourover and traditional spro. My HUs and MPs sit in the travel cases…

[desert stirrup]

All you guys sound like r/pcmasterrace where every time you post a build someone says “well if you just spend/wait X then you’ll get Y which is negligible in the grand scheme of things”

This goes against the charts and tables and data

I declare heresy

[surreal pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[desert stirrup]

How do I give multiple emojis and thanks and gratitude?

This was all I needed

I shall confirm purchase with CV2 now

Many thanks

that was all I needed

[drowsy knot]

plan on significant seasoning if you want them to settle in quickly. They need 7-10 lbs before they get consistent 👍

[desert stirrup]

I got 4kg of seasoning beans on deck

I am prepared

[weary chasm]

Yeah. No buy once cry once.

[weary chasm]

Yeah. It's the mizens. Or similar.

Neutral.

Which is great.

[desert stirrup]

What’s the difference between CV2 and CV3?

Do either of you, @weary chasm or @drowsy knot, have experience in comparing the two for espresso?

[desert stirrup]

Ok wait I just thought about this. If I will have a J Ultra wouldn’t that be a good set up for thiccy shots? So for the Z1 should I opt for more clarity?

Damn dude I didn’t expect burrs to get me so fucked up

[glossy sail]

Any specialty coffee shops to recommend in Las Vegas?

[drowsy knot]

haven't used CV3s but my understanding is that they are more espresso focused as many have had issues building pressure with the CV2s

[desert stirrup]

Ah well because this is an espresso only grinder I shall get the CV3

[weary chasm]

Inb4 you have a suite of grinders.

Gotta have grinder a for x style shots.
Grinder b for Y style shots.

All costing $3k+

[desert stirrup]

Don’t say that or it’ll actually be my future 😭

[mellow sonnet]

P300

[desert stirrup]

I’m hoping Pietro will be my filter grinder, J Ultra will be conical thiccy classic espresso grinder and car camping grinder (French press most likely so it’ll suffice), and Z1 with CV3s or maybe HU in the future will be my espresso

[mellow sonnet]

Zp6 > Pietro

[desert stirrup]

I then just swap those three for upgrades

[desert stirrup]

I’m still deciding on that

I have more triangle tests to do

But so far, it’s not looking good for ZP6

[mellow sonnet]

Zp6 both tasted better(for me) and grinds way smoother

[desert stirrup]

Grinding wise it’s whatever for me. The workflow is nearly identical

Flavor and texture wise it is not faring as well as Pietro

[mellow sonnet]

Lmao it is not close in workflow

Zp6 grinds way smoother

[desert stirrup]

Lance really did say “I want burrs that’s like ZP6 but like, better” and Pietro provides

With Pietro I’m still only 3.5-4kg in so I need to hit 5kg minimum to finalize my decision

Mofos on Reddit are saying 8-10kg tho

[mellow sonnet]

Taste is preferential so I won't comment on that but the pietro ergonomics is insane

[desert stirrup]

Which is dummy wild

[desert stirrup]

I have the base and I don’t find it that bad

Again I did season 2kg in 2 days

I figured it out real quick

[boreal solar]

Just stick with the Zerno and two blind burr sets. They’re easy enough to swap. That’s sort of the point

[desert stirrup]

That’s the plan! Rn I have the CV3 but before dispatch or after some months with the CV3 I’ll try HU burrs to see if I like the high clarity style of shots

[tight gorge]

It’s only a matter of time

[desert stirrup]

I won’t do it

I won’t be like you people

[mellow sonnet]

Just lose everything after hoarding

And then only buy your preference 🤡

[drowsy knot]

64mm HUs not high clarity though like they are at 98mm. Might prefer MPs or Brews for clarity at 64mm

[desert stirrup]

As of right now I’m still doing comparison to finalize my thoughts especially on flavor but texture has a large difference I think.

Many times Japanese roasters will include “silky” or “smooth” or “sticky” for texture indicators. With the ZP6 I was hard pressed or struggled to find that tactile feeling. It all was not as differentiated as flavors were. With the Pietro texture differences are more pronounced and easier to identify

I have some washed Kenyan and Ethiopian coffees about to finish resting. That is one of the final batches I plan to test before making a large Reddit post detailing the differences I found

What do you mean “outside of Zerno w/ MP”

[desert stirrup]

Bruh burr geometry shifts with size???

C’mon

Burr shit is too complicated

[mellow sonnet]

It's not complicated

It's hansung naming scheme that doesn't make sense

[desert stirrup]

ZP6 - 6.5
Pietro M Modal - 8.5

I use Lance’s formula, Scott Rao/Matt Perger water recipe, T-90 filters, V60, 15:255

Ye

Nah I don’t enjoy anything below 6.0

It gets muddy and flavors are more blended causing it to be less discernible

It’s the same with Pietro. Anything below 8.0 and it’s get distinctly blended

Scott rao/matt perger is already pretty soft. I believe 80 ppm

Looked it up:
88ppm GH
40ppm KH

I don’t plan to make water part of my variable process. I also don’t plan to do side by side water testing. I like coffee, but I don’t like it enough as a hobby to have mineral dropper bottles or different gallon containers with specific recipes.

I did a side by side from TWW to this recipe and found this recipe to be better and stuck with it. If there’s a better recipe I’m down to try it. It will take some convincing given this water is pretty damn economical and flavorful

My philosophy on coffee is to have a simple streamline setup so I can blissfully enjoy what great coffees are being produced. I’m aware it won’t be fully optimized and I’m ok with that given the cups I’m making are very tasty for me

I used TWW 50% diluted and this recipe was still better

If you have another recipe I’m down to try it. I’m just not going to make water a variable

Yeah I know. It’s also a massive variable to include in my already somewhat complicated ritual.

No, not to me

I don’t plan to mix up burrs wildly like that. I plan to figure out which I prefer for espresso and move on with my life and coffee journey

bruh

I do not want to be dropping and sipping for every new coffee I brew

To me that's excessive and takes the fun out of finding cool coffees then enjoying them

So many people, even Lance, uses Rpavlis water. I plan to use that and call it a day for water

Well I plan to not have multiple grinders for a single brew method. Outside of the Z1 I won't buy another grinder for espresso other than to replace the Z1. Burrs will be changed a bit in the beginning but once I find what my palette enjoys the most I'll most likely not buy any more burrs. So my plan with grinders is the same with water. Find something that works very well for me and focus on finding and enjoying unique coffees

[unique tusk]

@desert stirrup I have a Z1 and run CV3 in it as a good middle ground between espresso and PO. I have HU burrs also for espresso only and a Pietro and K Ultra (plus a NIB Lagom Casa I’ll sell).

If you’re going espresso only the HU may be best for Z1, and swapping burrs is easy on the Z1. We can always figure out a time for you to play with the Z1 at my place if you really want to see it in action.

[vivid violet]

don't have any recommendations for coffee..

but these look good:

• Japanese bakery: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dzVJiGcNM3Zix34q8

• Chocolatier: https://maps.app.goo.gl/PodE6YJE61FQJfNS9

• dim sum: https://maps.app.goo.gl/uFe3Ut3b674VYNJdA

[dull adder]

He spoke on this recently, he uses Rpavlis as a base. Then post-brew remineralizes from there as needed with droppers.

[weary chasm]

Sure. Just use medium and darker roasts and you're set.

Couple that with a La marzocco Linea micra and Costco dark roast

[weary chasm]

Dark moon coffee in Henderson, nv

If you're on the strip, then the only one I can think of is dandelion Chocolate at the Venetian

It's at the lobby

Area

They are San Francisco brand/chain

Serving ritual coffee

[left inlet]

@frozenavocado If you're looking for cv2 but want it for espresso, I would look at cv3. If it's not going to be used for PO, you might have an easier time dialing it in. I found the descriptions on the Zerno site pretty helpful.

https://zerno.co/features/z1-burr-selection/

@desert stirrup https://zerno.co/features/z1-burr-selection/

Please my post above.

[drowsy knot]

I definitely get tripped up on exactly that

[left inlet]

@drowsy knot Eric, which burrs do you have in your Zerno's?

I see you have four burrs in the post above

[drowsy knot]

I have the four ssp sets but main brews in one and cv2s in the other

[left inlet]

I was wondering how the Hu and CV3 differ for spro to pair with a Meticulous. I was also considering those two and the Mizen spro burr, even though it isn't blind.

@vivid violet Was discussing this with Rory this weekend.

[drowsy knot]

I enjoyed the MPs a lot just like the bigger sweet spot on the brews and I like to push extraction without astringency. Never got anything I liked from the HUs though only gave them a week before switching to the CV2s

[left inlet]

Wonder how HU and CV3 compare, but I don't want to really evaluate until 10 lbs have been through each burr to give them an equal chance once they are seasoned.

@drowsy knot What did Hu taste like on spro?

[drowsy knot]

it’s been so long I don’t even remember but if you have a zerno you are welcome to borrow 👍

They are fully seasoned I just didn’t get anything I liked in the first week and put them away

[lunar fjord]

I've actually been thinking about this for airplane/travel spro

[mellow sonnet]

Except u can't buy them anymore

Gotta find one second hand

[boreal solar]

Decent seller in Hollywood asked for a photo of my id upon pickup or a link to my LinkedIn. That sounds so scammish so I guess that’s a no.

Bummer.

Weird scam.

[dull adder]

Wtf

You can ask them for the serial and reach out to Decent support to confirm the machine is for sale

https://decentespresso.com/blog/stolen_machine_policy

[boreal solar]

He also just claimed in response to another question I’d asked that he doesn’t know where to find the shot count. So it’s not adding up.

[mellow sonnet]

Bro why do u want linkedin

[boreal solar]

Heh it’s dicey

I think I’m going to pass.

[dull adder]

The serial number is inside the legs, fyi. And also it's under the casing as well.
And probably in software, but I don't see that in the app

Shot count is right there if you go to settings > machine
Looks like I'm at 1482.. on this tablet. The old tablet has some shots this one doesn't. And I also used a different app for a little.
That's to say, shot count is just in a file on the tablet. Easy to manipulate. There's another one in the FW that's not exposed

[dull adder]

@tiny mountain is that the hydrangea catimor you've been on about?

[tiny mountain]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

IT IS

I’d take a liter I’m not kidding

[eternal birch]

yep!

also this adorable fella in today

[tiny mountain]

If I hadn’t missed the 2lbs bag I would’ve got one. So goood

[eternal birch]

came to ondo to drink a matcha latte

already had a PO

[boreal solar]

He claimed it wasn’t on the casing when I had him look. He did email decent support and cc me though. So I’m confused now. He might just be over paranoid and not super familiar with his machine.

[weary chasm]

You can.

You just have to buy via email

[weary chasm]

If you're in the area, you can look to see if Ondo Coffee can sell you one. Lol

[desert stirrup]

That sounds very gracious of you!

I would love to compare CV3 and HU on espresso!

Do I see a new coffee meet up happening soon?! 👀

[boreal solar]

You could always volunteer to host one

That’s usually how they get going

[desert stirrup]

Maybe I need to try it but this sounds excessively tedious to do for me. Coffee is great and I enjoy the details. At the same time formulating water for every single coffee creates this matrix of permutations that sounds so complicated.

Coffee is interesting and a great luxury, but it’s not my life

[desert stirrup]

I ordered the Z1 with CV3s!

[desert stirrup]

Definitely a scam

Serial is on software under “machine” it’s very apparent. Also @dull adder is right, it’s physically printed on many body parts of the machine

[dull adder]

Is it? I didn't see it there

[desert stirrup]

Damn that’s sick. I like this a lot. I appreciate the intentionality of forming a moment of appreciation and space.

[boreal solar]

My friend just told me it’s under app-machine

Which isn’t super obvious to be fair.

[tight gorge]

If so, I have the perfect coffee pop up for you

[desert stirrup]

My apartment smol but maybe there’s another way to host one.

I know the people behind the Cognoscenti location in Culver City. I wonder if they’ll agree to a meet up event.

[boreal solar]

I own a condo that I don’t live in with a pool house common area for events. I’ve been wondering if I could use it without living there

[desert stirrup]

I’m interested!

[eternal birch]

my rooftop when it reopens is ideal

[desert stirrup]

Damn I gotta get to where you’re at. Imagine owning property in SoCal and not living it

That’s the dream

[boreal solar]

It’s in Rancho Cucamonga. So is the house I own and live in. My mother in law is currently living in the condo. We bought it because we would have had to pay her rent regardless and this way we’re atleast paying something down. The combined total value of both properties is probably less than a nice place in a prime part of LA.

IE is nice for that

[desert stirrup]

I live in a small 12 unit complex in West Adams so my building is an oldie. It was built in the 1950s I believe so it’s oddly laid out and small.

It’s nifty though. It has a physical doorbell. The peep hole is literally just a hole. I have an ironing board in my kitchen because back then women I guessed cooked and ironed at the same time.

I even have a back alley staircase that has a milk door for the milk man to leave two jugs of milk

Sadly the back alley is decrepit so no milk men come to drop off milk or fuck my wife who’s ironing and cooking at the same time

[desert stirrup]

That is pretty nice! I heard it gets hot hot hot out there though

[desert stirrup]

Ayo you and I may want to wait on buying a new DE1

New video and blog post detailing Decent Bengle and they said they will take DE1 trade ins, refurbish them (hopefully with new Bengle parts!), and offer them at steep discount.

[dull adder]

Before modern irons, they were iron. Like solid chunks of iron. Hence the name. They needed to be heated and probably the most convenient is the stove.

[desert stirrup]

Question is: cheaper DE1 or more expensive but sick ass Bengle

[desert stirrup]

I didn’t think about that

But also there is an outlet next to the wall mounted ironing board

Also also, all of my outlets are 2 prongs only

[cedar otter]

woohoo I'm backkkk

[desert stirrup]

I don’t know the history behind US electrical grid but it’s annoying and interesting

[desert stirrup]

From where?

[dull adder]

Access to hot water maybe. Idk I'm not an antiques expert

[cedar otter]

korea

[dull adder]

If used DE1 become $2k, then you're comparing a $2k and $6k purchase

[eternal birch]

show bean haul

[desert stirrup]

I think a refurbished machine will cost around 2750-3000. Given a new DE1Pro costs 37000 I don’t think they can drop the price by more than a grand

But I am hopeful regardless

And if they give dates I’ll save and drop the big bucks on Bengle

[boreal solar]

It does not cost 3700. Try configuring one online for less than 4k. It’s impossible.

Plus they already confirmed an upcoming price increase due to tariffs.

Shipping is expensive. Taxes are a thing. Then other accessories etc

[dull adder]

Geez they've gone up so much in price

[desert stirrup]

Oh yeah the machine I have configured is $4300. But base is $3700

Well tariffs is only on $500 due to that being the hardware’s value. Software is the rest and is except due to some WTO IT agreement

[mellow sonnet]

New cups have arrived

Pink and purple are old but I wanted to add

[boreal solar]

That base doesn’t include a tamper or shipping and taxes.

That’s all I’m saying

[dull adder]

There are no taxes fwiw. Or now there are. Maybe.
It could be 30%, 90%, $75, $150, 245%. Or none of those maybe.

[mellow sonnet]

😂

[dull adder]

If you're price conscious you can get a comparable tamper for much less. The PUSEE is $36

Decent tampers are aiming for the high end, competing with Kafatek

[mellow sonnet]

I forgot the de1 doesn't come w a tamper

I had my force tamper already for like 2 years before I got my de1

[cedar otter]

Oh man

[weary chasm]

I think decent tamper is ok..

I made it into a normal tamper.

When does the Bengle get released anyhow

Maybe December?

Nice.

Actual strong ish tablet?

$6k though

@desert stirrup you can get a backup espresso machine while you're waiting.

Breville bambino is pretty good

But I guess it depends on how quick you want to get into espresso

[desert stirrup]

John commented he’s aiming for August this year

[desert stirrup]

very quick

[weary chasm]

Oh yeah. I just saw that

[weary chasm]

How do you feel about a flair 58

https://flairespresso.com/products/espresso-makers/flair-58-plus-2/

Other option is breville bambino

These would be temp solutions until you get to August

I'm suspecting Oct or Nov though.

[boreal solar]

You could get a used La Pavoni. They’re easy to work on and pop up cheap. You could potentially even make a modest profit if you change the gaskets, polish it up and do a few small mods

I’ve played with that idea in my mind as I’ve done it in the past for fun.

It’s also a lot of fun to learn on despite being quirky and temperamental

[weary chasm]

They also come in 49 and 51 mm baskets depending on which year you buy

"fun" lol

[boreal solar]

lol I actually sort of enjoy the pressure profiling and temp surfing etc. especially if you add strips or a probe

Maybe I’m crazy though.

[mellow sonnet]

Temp surfing is wack

[boreal solar]

They’re beautiful in their simplicity and sort of iconic aesthetic

[boreal solar]

I wouldn’t want it as a primary machine. Hence why I moved on. But they’re fun for whipping out on weekends

[dull adder]

Maybe it's because of my past machines but I didn't really enjoy the La Pavoni much

[mellow sonnet]

Yeah I think if I had a pump machine a small lever on the side sounds fun

I am really enjoying my flair thou

I thought I would hate it

[boreal solar]

I used to have a flair classic(years ago?dang I don’t know where the time is going) and had some great shots from it.

[mellow sonnet]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DIgv5zrxFp7/

Anybody been here before? In HLP

They got an AREMDE

I've been waiting for them to make a 1 group machine for the last 4 years

[desert stirrup]

On my long walk with my dog I can to the conclusion that I think it’ll be worthwhile to spend the money on a new DE1 in the next few weeks, make my station how I want it then see what Decent does and offers in the late summer, early fall.

Maybe in a year or two if Bengle is doing well I’ll either sell my DE1 or trade it in for a Bengle. I’ll also buy whatever upgrades trickle down from Bengle to DE1 to keep it up to date as much as possible

[weary chasm]

Is this like $3700 + $500 in shipping

• any additional China tax

Then I guess you only get a Portafilter and a basket

So you'd need a tamper, milk jug

[desert stirrup]

Damn highland park is such a cool neighborhood

[mellow sonnet]

I'm ngl I think the de1 is a terrible first machine and there will be information overload but good luck

[desert stirrup]

Total cost after my choice of accessories + shipping would be $4288.58.

But I need to buy cups, and a ramping station and whatever else. So I’m expecting a total expense of $5500

[desert stirrup]

I heard the information is great for newbies

I have a good understanding of pourover extraction theory so I’m hoping it’ll translate so a degree with espresso

[desert stirrup]

The accessories I’m getting include a tamper, milk jug, milk frothing thermometer and a few other small things like baskets and spare gaskets

[weary chasm]

oh its not bad.

[weary chasm]

whats a ramping station

[weary chasm]

did you hear it in person?

i was ok with it.

but it has a signature sound.

LOL.

[weary chasm]

honestly, if i were to do it over again, i'd probably skip all these. you don't have to buy it from decent.

[mellow sonnet]

I think a milk thermometer is overrated it doesn't help

[weary chasm]

i use it every time i steam

lol.

but i guess that handicaps me

since others go by touch.

[drowsy knot]

I mean if you think of consistency as a handicap 😉

[weary chasm]

Anyhow. Buy now, think later

🤣🤣

See you on the decent side next week

[left inlet]

@desert stirrup Or you can join some of us and order a Meticulous Espresso and Met Milk. The Indiegogo price right now is $1,350. We compared Met to Decent this past weekend and they seemed very similar.

[eternal birch]

met is probably better than decent

[crude citrus]

@desert stirrup you can have my tamping station. I don’t use it and it’s just taking up space in my drawer

[boreal solar]

Benefit to the decent is milk steaming natively. I also remember reading that the met struggles with those longer ratios/sprovers. But I forgot to try it out. Maybe next time 😅

I’ve considered buying one. But I also feel sort of impatient.

[dull adder]

After he just said he doesn't want to wait, you suggest he waits at minimum for the end of the year if not longer

[boreal solar]

Supposedly we should know more about the met timeline in a day or two as per the thread here. But a lot of the materials still say March 2025 which doesn’t inspire confidence lol

[dull adder]

It's a better software experience I'll say that. Otherwise the Decent is more capable in a number of smaller ways that you may/may not care about. Also Met isn't shipping and is not proven. What do the thermals look like, water distribution, etc.

The espresso tasted good, so it passes that check at least

[boreal solar]

That’s probably the most important thing anyway.

[tight gorge]

How loud was it?

[dull adder]

It's not silent but it's quiet. There's a bit of whirring by the gears/motor

[tight gorge]

coo, yeah the videos make it sound hella loud

[dull adder]

It's quieter than the DE1 for sure

[vivid violet]

also depends on the profile you're running. some are ultra-quiet if you have low flow/pressure stages.

also, my unit may actually be a bit louder than newer ones, i'm not totally sure.

[left inlet]

@tight gorge Its not loud at all. That is effect of a mic MAGNIFYING the sound. Definitely does sound like that in person. Sounds like something tasting brewing.

Meant to say Doesn't

[weary chasm]

Lol.

Lc sign promoting regent x coffee at the Glendale galleria

🤣🤣

[lunar fjord]

I'm not but that won't stop me

Bryan basically owns my wallet, I think 80% of my coffee purchases recently are to him

also since decent chat is happening, I definitely will sell once my met + met milk ships

decent is probably a little net negative to my morning each day

[vivid violet]

if you like:

• lever profiles
• espresso mostly (not really filter 3.0).. and ratios up to 1:5
• for milk drinks, you're willing to steam milk elsewhere or wait for Met Milk

Met is amazing. very easy to use and configure.

I found all the profiles overwhelming at first, but after a little bit of time it becomes more intuitive.

the improvements on the new Decent "Bengle" machine do seem nice.

ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7_uRjn0k94

[weary chasm]

I think you just don't have a tactile experience on the decent.

Even though the lmlm paddle is just on or off. It's a tactile feel

[vivid violet]

also, Mimoja (head of Met software) is super into making UX flows really easy and intuitive. (there's obviously a balance there)

She's adding thoughtful additions as they iterate.

[boreal solar]

They always sound louder in videos. It didn’t seem that loud tbh.

[vivid violet]

there's something about seeing the piston lower, and how fast it's going.

I know i can see the espresso coming out as well.. but there's something nice about seeing the piston movement too.

[boreal solar]

We were able to carry on a conversation without me thinking much about the volume. It was louder than my linea mini but not much louder than a lower end rotary pump like a Bianca though

If you want quiet get an Argos 😉

[tight gorge]

Yeah I have a lever rn so debating wether to flip the met

Got tired of waiting

I recall the “we can ship by Aug 2023”

[cedar otter]

these are like 85% geshas

[eternal birch]

woowee

ondo korea takeover 👀

[cedar otter]

Gonna prob do 3 public cuppings

[eternal birch]

did you think korea roasts differently than japan? was there a trend you saw

[cedar otter]

Look at this baller blend

2 natural geshas

[mellow sonnet]

Gesha cupping

[cedar otter]

uhhh I would say sourcing is very different from Japan

[cedar otter]

I literally have over 10 bags of geshas

I think Korea roasts better than Japan, but Japan brews better? or like the presentation is better in Japan

[mellow sonnet]

Your roastery is doing a cupping but I have work :(

[cedar otter]

oh yeah

rip

[mellow sonnet]

I was debating being "sick" but that's when ppl get off work they'll prob see me 🤡

[eternal birch]

I pulled one of those today

[cedar otter]

I’m a changed man

[boreal solar]

Sounds lovely.

[boreal solar]

Sey what?

[weary chasm]

Is this retail or your own stash

[unique tusk]

I’m waiting on mine to come in but am hopeful it can scratch the DE1 itch while maybe lessening overall footprint (I have a Bianca)

[mellow sonnet]

My backlog is too big u can't do this

[cedar otter]

Retail

[tight gorge]

Damn SL28 and field blend Kenya are so good

[vivid violet]

sounds really nice. how do you normally announce these cuppings ?

i.e. will we hear about it here, or should we follow on some social

Orkut is still functional, right ?

[cedar otter]

Instagram haha

[vivid violet]

followed ! thx

https://www.instagram.com/ondocoffee.co/

[desert stirrup]

*tamping station

[desert stirrup]

I have heard the sound is "interesting". I'm chill with it. That's the trade off I'll make for having a machine be ready in 5-7 mins rather than 30+

[desert stirrup]

how do you know when to stop steaming? Hand pain?

[weary chasm]

Bambino ready in 3 seconds.

[desert stirrup]

I'm not a masochist. I don't want to barely burn myself every morning man

[weary chasm]

But you sound like you wanna hand grind every morning for light roasts

[desert stirrup]

I'll be sending pics when I buy and get the machine! I'm very excited. J Ultra just came in today

[vivid violet]

i suspect you'll quickly find it burdensome to use the thermometer.

when steaming correctly, you won't burn your hand.

just steam till it's hot to the touch.

[desert stirrup]

The wait time for the machine is what gets me. The app UX is super good. Decent uses an Android based app and it looks quite clunky and old. However it is an all in one machine and can be at my door within a few days compared to months? I'm not sure what the Met wait times are

[desert stirrup]

heh? how? They seem quite equal except one you need to fill a chamber while the other you fill a 2L tank

[desert stirrup]

send pics!

[mellow sonnet]

If you're burning your hand then you're steaming too long 🤷‍♂️

[desert stirrup]

me too man, me too

[mellow sonnet]

Ur trying to aerate the milk not curdle it

[desert stirrup]

BRO IT'S A 8 MONTH WAIT!?!?

[crude citrus]

I steam to 150C to evaporate it

[desert stirrup]

The software looks so so so much better than Decent. I wish Decent moved onto a web api or something else. I also understand why they choose to keep using an Android app though

[dull adder]

Hopefully! Who knows. They aren't manufacturing and you'd be at the end of the line if you order now

[weary chasm]

You can get 3rd party apps for the decent now

But I dont use it

[dull adder]

I ordered the Argos when they started their manufacturing and they said a few months. It took 1.5 years

[weary chasm]

Mimoja made a skin that's "good enough"

[desert stirrup]

Well now I'm curious onto why

[vivid violet]

note: she mentioned she stepped away from making updates to Decent UI, to avoid any conflict of interest

[crude citrus]

Honestly I have no issues with the UI on my Decent. There’s lots of “skins” to choose from but I think that the word skin is a misnomer because some skins offer features that’s others don’t have.

My word of advice is to ditch the cheap tablet it comes with and use a Samsung galaxy

[desert stirrup]

but like mad temp stability issues

[desert stirrup]

HAHAHA. It is a necessary evil I must do while my Z1 comes in

[crude citrus]

The tablet it comes with is too laggy

[mellow sonnet]

I basically only used the grouphead buttons bc I hated the UI 🤡

[desert stirrup]

Yeah I expect that too. I wouldn't be surprised if I start to know by feel when 55C or 65C hits. I'll just sell the thermometer then 🙂

[mellow sonnet]

If I didn't think the coffee tasted good on ExDos I would use it for filter instead

I used to only switch between like 3 profiles

[desert stirrup]

wait this is interesting and good to know

[crude citrus]

Which skin did you use?

[desert stirrup]

absolutely wack

but understandable

[mellow sonnet]

DSX 2.0

[left inlet]

@desert stirrup I have a Flair 58, which is a good machine to learn on. I first saw the Met at the booth at SCA in Portland in 2023. I can wait to not spend $4,500 for a comparable machine that can also deliver a more viscous shot, which levers are known for, as well as a more modern shot. To me, it's worth the wait. I will see the Met at the booth in Houston. We don't know how fast they will move through the ramp of orders. This fall or by November/December will be okay with me. But that's a personal decision.

[desert stirrup]

I wonder if they sell a samsung table on their site. It would be nice for it to come preinstalled for me

[mellow sonnet]

I doubt they will be done w all the indiegogo orders by Dec

[crude citrus]

That’s the one I’m using now and I think it works well

[mellow sonnet]

It's a "good enough" skin for fast profile swapping and that's all I used it for

[crude citrus]

Decent really is polarizing from hardware to software lol

[desert stirrup]

if I join the wait list now I wonder how long I'll have to wait

[crude citrus]

I’m a sucker by all the data it provides

[mellow sonnet]

I collected all the data but never did anything w it 💀

Now I have a flair and am doing the same exact shit

Collecting all my data and doing nothing

[desert stirrup]

I think I'll get Decent and if I see a Met at a meetup with you guys I'll fiddle around. If I likey and the machine is well machined and free of manufacturing issues I'll consider selling to pick up Met

I am just so eager and impatient to get into the thick of espresso

I'm already waiting 3-4 months for the Z1

I don't want to be on anymore waitlists. But I also want quality shit

This hobby is too stressful for me and my wallet

[mellow sonnet]

Growing up is learning to appreciate delayed gratification

[desert stirrup]

Hence why I'm waiting 2-3 weeks to buy the DE1

and not buying it rn

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[mellow sonnet]

🤷‍♀️ u do u

[lunar fjord]

is there anything the met can't do that the decent can?

[mellow sonnet]

Met can't do temp drops midshot

Or filter3.0

[lunar fjord]

it's extremely janky

hm

my most used profiles are exactamundo dos and ULC

but I also did fine with the flair

I guess it's fine

decent just makes me too unhappy

[mellow sonnet]

I think ExDos replication was close enough for not having a temp drop

I don't miss my decent to say the least tbh

[desert stirrup]

But you were about to buy one from some dude in N Hollywood

something ain't adding up here

Broski doesn't miss his ex but want her back???

[mellow sonnet]

U have brainrot 💀 I haven't messaged anybody about buying one

[desert stirrup]

You right

I got the cat profile pics mixed up

Damn broski your house and decent burned down?

My deepest condolences

Ok I actually have to go back to work

Good day to you gentlemen. I would like to leave the office before 7

[vivid violet]

yes, but as Derp replies.. may not matter to you.

• limited reservoir, only up to ~ 100 g water (Decent can keep on going, to a 1:10 ratio easily. Met can probably only do 1:5 for 20g input dose)
• no temp profiling

Met leans more towards accidental pre-infusion with how it's designed. i.e. why i said "if you like lever profiles", you may like Met.

[tight gorge]

Im the worst at this, I wait 95% of the wait time only to bail last minute. It has worked out thus far but still...

[vivid violet]

why not complete, and possibly flip ?

just not as excited about the capabilities, after seeing more of it around ?

[tight gorge]

I got a lever a month ago. Im still gonna see it through but it wont be the same since I already got the 2 year pent up espresso fomo released.

[vivid violet]

ooooh, nice. how are you liking the shots you're pulling on the lever, as compared to whatever you had previously ?

(totally makes sense. lever is a lot of the way there.)

[crude citrus]

That was Evan

[crude citrus]

Watch out for those guys with cat profile pics. Always up to no good

[surreal pivot]

@tight gorge any recs for a birthday brunch spot?

[tight gorge]

dang I don't, toddler life over here.. @eternal birch the man for the party life

best I got is found oyster

[surreal pivot]

Doesn’t need to be lively just great food 😂

[vivid violet]

what rough area of town ?

these are pretty good for brunch:

• Little Dom's: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Y3bnwZjxTvokN7yc7
• Figaro: https://maps.app.goo.gl/tX2uM2ZBFFBqjDKp6

there's a place in Pasadena which makes cornflake-encrusted waffles too 😄

[surreal pivot]

I’m in Silverlake but willing drive pretty much anywhere

[vivid violet]

this is really nice too, for brunch:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/gSQhPc1fLEYHfEjM8

really nice to sit out in the front porch area, if you can.

[surreal pivot]

That looks good

[vivid violet]

it's been quite a while since i've been to Little Dom's..

have been to both Figaro and The Raymond recently.

the combo of ambiance and generally tasty food is good.

if you want Taiwanese breakfast, the Pine and Crane downtown is nice:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GCpvpihwZC2oNMgc8

or if you don't mind cash-only hole-in-the-wall, Huge Tree is quite good:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/qxF4oFoCqWWtbZ488

parking at The Raymond is awful, just park somewhere on Fair Oaks right before the place, and walk there.

I usually whip a u-ie at their intersection, and then park along Fair Oaks.

Marston's is the cornflakes-encrusted waffles place i was thinking about:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/hJKaYKkwGG1RZmpSA

[surreal pivot]

That’s right up my alley. My doctor would choke me after all the work we’ve put in to get me out of the pre-diabetes range though 🤣

[vivid violet]

also, this place is freaking amazing:

• République: https://maps.app.goo.gl/igCesJHFkFsPUGUi7

• menu @ their cafe/bakery for brunch: https://republiquela.com/cafe-bakery/

[surreal pivot]

I love that place. I’ll sidestep a Rule 4 violation… but recent events prevent me from dining there ever again 😂

Very sad about it

[vivid violet]

ah ! i'm not aware of what the Rule 4 violation might be 😅

went to République once, last year, and really enjoyed dinner.

[surreal pivot]

Yeah it’s great for brunch too

[desert stirrup]

Chi Spacca on Melrose. The atmosphere is intimate but not stuffy or uptight, the service is prompt but not uptight, and food is great. Steak is expensive but when is a 50oz dry aged porterhouse not expensive?

I went there for my birthday last year and I thorougly enjoyed my dinner 🙂

[desert stirrup]

I have heard the dinner service is great! I need to try it. I have only been to the brunch service

[surreal pivot]

Yeah that place is excellent. Went a couple years ago

[desert stirrup]

Try Bavel in the Arts District

One of my favorite more expensive restaurants in the area

The chef or hospitality head do an amazing job in hiring then training front of house staff

Oh wait you're looking for brunch!

Liu's Cafe is a great place for brunch but I'm not sure if it's bday worthy unless you want to stick around KTown and hang out

I'm sure there's amazing places in HLP or Echo Park but I'm blanking right now

[surreal pivot]

Lamb neck, pita and the shrimp are so good there!

[desert stirrup]

my man knows!

Oh man that place is such a slapper

I wish entrees weren't triple digits

I would be there at least once a month

Alas, I must spend all of my moneyz on coffee 😮‍💨

[eternal birch]

redbird

cant go wrong

[tight gorge]

redbird looks lit. will visit soon

[surreal pivot]

Gotta be prepared to square up in those seats 😂

[gleaming prairie]

Last night. So nice. Crushing some Rockies

[lunar fjord]

yea, republique was our anniversary dinner place

[vivid violet]

ahh, i didn't realize. thx Purple/chewy for spurring me to search about recent news about République.

[desert stirrup]

Oh yeah I worked as a baker at Republique in between job. Marg (the head baker and the owner who is under fire rn) is hardcore trumper.

She’s a talented and skilled baker and chef. Much respect in that. At the same time she would suck Trump off any day.

I find it awkward that any immigrant or child of immigrant parents would adore him to such an extent. Alas this is a coffee channel not a life and politics channel

[eternal birch]

just dont cheer for a bad team

[earnest robin]

I have been in pine and crane for lunch and it was mid

Maybe breakfast is better

I liked the Georgian skin contact wine they were serving 🙂

[civic crest]

the fan tuan is solid. i like how the food comes out fast. easy/great for kids

[compact hound]

Ive only been once and thought it was straight up bad

[earnest robin]

What is fan tuan

[earnest robin]

I didn't want to say that. I ordered what the server recommended and didn't really like anything lmao

[compact hound]

Went to the DTLA location when it was completely dead

Food wasn’t even hot when it came out

I was baffled

[civic crest]

it's rice roll with fried chinese donut inside, some pickles, egg, meat floss

[compact hound]

Best thing I had was bok choy