Holy Fire Buff Request

[wanton mantle]

Holy fire currently is quite weak when compared to meta builds, although its popularity.

With 8154 hp at my current level of 86, it does 949 damage per tick. With 61% fire damage, 24% fire damage penetration, 32% burn chance, 104% burn damage, 44% magic skill damage, 9% skill damage, 12%fire dot, 25% damage percent, 10% area damage. Plus iron will support which is giving a further 191/5 = 38% and 21% magic skill damage, fire penetration giving 14.4% pen, shred giving 30% resistance shred, and flame strike giving 10% more. With all of this it does a measly 14k-15k dps.

Which is not enough for the amount of investment put in. When a full build is just around making a single skill strong, and it is still laughably weak, something isn't working correctly.

It definitely needs a buff, it is the damage skill of crusader and without it crusader is nothing more than a buff and enabler class. Immolation is weak and cant be used with holy fire cuz itd be a dps down no matter what, but it is extremely good with totems. Fist of judgement is weak because the damage is less than what other classes can do in a cast or 2 casts, but it has a 10 second cooldown. Commeupance is decent. Persecutory is just bad. Flail is a good utility for grouping. Shield throw is a good utility for increasing damage.

Holy fire tries to be righteous fire but just can't due to how bad the dps is. With full investment u can get it to do decent damage, but at that point it should be doing something much higher than it actually is.

My advice on buffing it and what has been suggested before is making it scale from 33/11 health to damage ratio, to 77/33 damage ratio the more points you put into the skill. Why is this better than a straight buff for all ranks? Makes the skill still manageable and fun to play with. It adds a layer of having to think if you can sustain the extra damage with the extra point in it, while not bricking the early early game for the skill.

And also, the resistances make the 33% damage taken go down to around an actual 3%-2% hp damage taken. Having it at 77% with the hp regen buffs would actually make it do some damage to hp

33% x (1-0.9) x (1-0.14) x (1-0.2) = 2.2% (with 90% fire resist, 14% damage resist from endurance and fortify, and lavaspur boots)

It can basically be all regened with the chieftain perk, with no buffs to damage.

Now, this wont fix holy fire. Theres a bigger problem here with the balance of magic skill damage. Afterall itd only triple the dps to 45k. But it'd give it at least some damage so that it wouldnt be out dps'd by other skills with minimal investment, instead itd get out dps'd by other skills when they have a low-moderate investment!

[wanton mantle]

Either that or allow us to have 2 auras so we can used Blessed Aim, the most broken skill in the whole modpack

[quiet turtle]

blessed aim sucks

a single corruption jewel do they job

and holy fire can crit?

holy fire don't scale with almost anything

[wanton mantle]

true, still one of the best buff skills in the game tho

[quiet turtle]

no

a jewel corruption give twice as much

and you can have 9...

I remember that holy fire don't scale with skill dmg

and shit

this skill is completaly trash

if you want to do passive dmg

just build for hidden blades

not going to be good too, but at least will do something

[wanton mantle]

has the tags magic, aura, area, damage, fire, holy fire, self damage. Should scale off of skill dmg, it does off of magic skill damage. Either way, how'd u buff it for it to be viable?

[wanton mantle]

sadly i think the same can be said off of the other crusader buff skills to a certain extent

but that might be a problem of jewels being too strong

[wanton mantle]

also ye it can crit

[halcyon vault]

It does scale on skill damage. I asked about this since it does not have the skill tag but mahj confirmed that if its a skill it scales with skill damage

[quiet turtle]

say that for my battery sup gem on it

[shell remnant]

does it not work? I been using that 💀

never bothered to test it

[quiet turtle]

idk

some times it works

sometimes it doens't

probably some weird bug

[halcyon vault]

I could see that, but ya it "should" scale with skill damage lol

And i tested with a skill damage node on the talent tree and it did work

[quiet turtle]

I didn't tested holy fire too much

but in my quick tests some weird things happened

idk

not 100% sure about holy fire

still sucks even if it scales properly

only 2 sup gems slots and the hp scale is not that insane

is a aura slot too

[shell remnant]

yes, please give it another support or not count as aura 🙏

[halcyon vault]

Its fine, def not ohko roll though mobs build like you like though lol

[shell remnant]

it's decent, definitely not top tier though

[halcyon vault]

Slow tank and spank build for sure

[quiet turtle]

nah

I'm going to try to make more broken builds

but I'll keep updating my spin to win build

unless mahj nerf hollow palm 200 times

I don't think that's going to happen

[halcyon vault]

Make flicker strike build 😄

[quiet turtle]

suicide build?

[halcyon vault]

Trust

[late prairie]

+1 on flicker strike build (I don’t wanna auto attack in between)

[halcyon vault]

Without muddying up this thread anymore talking about non-hf stuff, last thing is I've been playing a flicker build just trying to level it to see how it feels and its going good so far. Needs little help and some stuff inbetween (cant just hold and fly) but its been fun.

[quiet turtle]

wdym

this is a flicker strike post

[night sleet]

isnt that flat crit instead of inc crit?

[late prairie]

flat crit, yes. If u get 2.5 crit on a jewel it'll give u like 20+ base crit chance. If it's increased, you might only get .5 crit chance

[night sleet]

2.5 base crit will only give you 20 crit if you have 700% increased crit