Its gonna kill endgame or a the very least cut any progress by 50%
#I think lowering the idle stone overcharge is bad for gameplay , its the thing endgame relies on
fallen plover
fallen plover
Yeah but you get the profit of it when the game is almost done anyway
civic crane
well now the upgrade is an almost 2x buff instead of 10x
and the other upgrades now each double souls instead of +20%, +15%, and +50%
(which the players gradually pick up as they play the game)
fallen plover
I postponed getting the 20m fire kills and now it gonna take 5x the time 😭
civic crane
something like that ||5.5x||
good thing you have staves to make it faster, huh?
or... don't worry about it so much. You can see it's +10% CpS
broken tide
all I want is enemy kills to remain the same
fallen plover
I m with marcel on that one , i was good , it was good for the last 4 years i played, and now i m thinking that its gonna be enough to make me uninterested in the game
torn kiln
it was op, with that i agree. but you cant just nerf it to hell without giving some alternative.
fast sigil
Is the alternative not the souls buffs that were given?
torn kiln
I love this game but lategame it is literally no better than Banana
civic crane
I m with marcel on that one , i was good , it was good for the last 4 years i pl...
two. Less than that, it has existed for.
overcharge specifically (and the Stone of Idle buff that came with it)
fallen plover
My bad timeline gardian but my point still stands , endgame is basically inexistant, now this is gonna kill it
torn kiln
Is the alternative not the souls buffs that were given?
I've stated before what I think is the problem and what needs to be changed if you want you can look it up i dont have the time or will right now to say it again
torn kiln
Its gonna kill endgame or a the very least cut any progress by 50%
in my opinion endgame was always dead
civic crane
hasn't been a new goal to aim for in over a year
when clearance was added, it already wasn't much of a hurdle
strong wren
I postponed getting the 20m fire kills and now it gonna take 5x the time 😭
The only truely bad thing with the update imo
cosmic basin
Yah game slowly dieing …. Been a good game…. I love it. But new content very slow . Now a nerf. To end game might push me to quit
civic crane
again, offline is still far stronger than it was when this goal was added
like at least 3x stronger
(and we had that much before Armory Staves were added, which was the same update as Clearance)
you can do it 
hallow loom
And I just got to endgame 😭, time for me to lock in extra
hallow loom
Yah game slowly dieing …. Been a good game…. I love it. But new content very s...
All good things and bad things, must come to end - thanks for walkin so others can run, there’s plenty out there excited for you :’)
severe sky
I'm gonna miss full mat refill under half an hour 
neon prawn
Okay 500 Spear never gonna happen tó me after this 😭🤣🤣🤣🤣
civic crane
we had 500 spear years before this 
subtle terrace
I wrote about it a little bit in #update-spoilers message
A way of nerfing kills + materials but not offline soul gains for late game players who want to (maybe pointlessly) keep stacking USP would be to add another +30% offline soul bonus (or similar) upgrade.
Could even make it an expensive one to add a sense of progression on late game.
Or we can just come to the conclusion that after 140 USP nothing really matters and stop playing 😅
civic crane
so... "more content please"
we'll get that, even if it's not specifically asked for 😅
subtle terrace
Yeah, basically lol
I mean more about the timing, if it's released together with the "nerf" people wouldn't have that negative sentiment of being slowed down and be frustrated/complain, just that.
rustic granite
well now the upgrade is an almost 2x buff instead of 10x
and the other upgrades ...
They are of no use if it does not affect the cut stone of idleness
neon jackal
Hey look. At least this nerf isn't as bad as the old "rework"
We kill at a rate of 0,3 instead of the 0,35 or something like that
Still. Progress when idle is dead. Rage is only good if you get souls, and key trailing too
Idle was the only reliable way to know you're for sure gonna be able to progress. Even if slowly
I'm completely against this nerf
If we want to nerf idle. 0,05 to 0,3 isn't something small
Rather than that. Make it 0,1
civic crane
Still. Progress when idle is dead. Rage is only good if you get souls, and key t...
I wouldn't call "-30%" dead
neon jackal
I wouldn't call "-30%" dead
Through the whole game
civic crane
Through the whole game
x4 before Overcharge
-30% after
neon jackal
It only shinned in endgame
neon jackal
Is it gonna outshine rage mode?
civic crane
yeah
neon jackal
When.
civic crane
I'm not getting like 20 soul bonuses per day, with compass and shards necklace and pills
so, present day
neon jackal
Let's say someone has a awful RNG
Plays all day and gets 3 soul bonuses
Idle is a safety net that you're gonna make progress anyway
neon jackal
The safety net should be at least somewhat of about 10-15% in comparison to a very good RNG
civic crane
Like I said, I don't play enough to get that or six times that many (which is probably how much effort it would take for online play to be better)
so I just... Wouldn't.
Offline is still good.
very.
neon jackal
Like. With overcharge I still found myself having better results with rage+ souls
But only when I get soul boosts
Which happens rarely
civic crane
like, I'd get a soul bonus and get maybe 4-5 Qi SP
and I got a little over 200 Qi every day offline
so even with a -30% nerf, 140 Qi every day still beats a lot of... wait what the hell. That's more than seventy soul bonuses.
neon jackal
Math ain't mathing
neon jackal
Even with 100% offline focused stone distribution I get around 100qa per day
But with a even distribution I get around 300qa with a single soul boost
Also. I don't get what's the main target of the nerf
Nerfing offline soul and materials near endgame would feel more reasonable than nerfing the kill time
And something that I have to note here
I feel like this nerf is like dark shot. Its way slower but stronger. And many people don't care about souls. Just the feeling of killing a lot of enemies. And just vibing
And to another thing. Many people focus on offline because they can't play Active enough to make it worth it
fast sigil
I mean the main target of the nerf is probably how many enemies are killed which is why that was decreased and soul rate was buffed to compensate
neon jackal
Then why not making it equal soul gains?
Also, the new gear should really focus on rage mode too
Since the meta is following what most of the game meta already is
civic crane
the meta is the meta
very insightful
civic crane
And to another thing. Many people focus on offline because they can't play Activ...
yeah... you remember how we went through how much someone would have to play to catch up to offline soul gain, even after the nerf?
We just went through that
civic crane
on top of that, it's an unfair comparison because you get those rewards offline without the use of any items
so it's worth way more than mentioned above
offline is still very cracked, even for just souls 