mods-discussion

[calm hinge]

And that probably involves cheesing the engine weight and stuff.

Motorbikes are doable at an "experimental" state, as shown by Darren9's bike. But I heard it was interesting to drive.

And I want to try a helicopter at some point, pretty sure it's doable to at least make a helicopter structure with a functional swash plate and stuff. Having it actually fly and not shake itself appart is an other thing.

[latent ivy]

I've wanted to do helicopters, but I don't exactly know how to make jbeamed parts spin on engine power.

[molten bough]

Rotators

[ancient lagoon]

@manic citrus the fact that you posted a video with a H2R meshslap makes me quite angery

like
meshslap a gixxer or something
but leave my kawasakis alone

[native zealot]

kawasaki make good strimmer engines 👍

TG33 for life

[ancient lagoon]

kawasaki make good everything

[native zealot]

also true

[humble kindle]

kawasaki engine + cheap sketchy go kart = S P E E D

[tranquil marsh]

Yes

[latent ivy]

Also, how to make the signal stalk and wiper stalk position like in the Miramar because it is the only JDM car in BeamNG

[harsh coyote]

just position the props differently

[harsh coyote]

not sure about this widebody

is it too extreme for a factory spec?

[frank kelp]

looks good tbh

also

pls

upgrade to 2.8

lol

[harsh coyote]

nope

[molten bough]

Sick

[frank kelp]

guess you don't want to re-learn everything?

[harsh coyote]

nothing really to re-learn if you suck at blender anyways

just don't really feel the need to update lol

[unreal sequoia]

is that polish polish car pack thing?

[harsh coyote]

not even sure tbh

[unreal sequoia]

lul

[harsh coyote]

thought the V10 marshal needed a widebody

so I started making it

[unreal sequoia]

I was supposed to work on our pack but uh

you know how i ended up 😂

[harsh coyote]

stuff

I know

I'm not really doing anything with the car pack of disaster anyways

[unreal sequoia]

we need to enslave waboll for that pack

[harsh coyote]

too lazy to fix all of the stuff that I kinda made and then broken

agree

[unreal sequoia]

:staff_pick:

[deft kite]

Just send random omega pieces to him and he will do anything

[harsh coyote]

Cadillac Catera

cause he likes murican stuff

[cyan depot]

catera*

[harsh coyote]

He will end up with omega version of the Cadillac from "one piece at a time song" from Jonny Cash

[unreal sequoia]

no, waboll left murica, now opel is best friend

[midnight nacelle]

opel
o god

[cyan depot]

opel best

[midnight nacelle]

ok vectra A good

rest bad

[latent ivy]

unagre

manta good

[midnight nacelle]

a yes

#otomotiv channel ok

[harsh coyote]

thoughts on the front end?

[midnight nacelle]

what's different, the lights or

[harsh coyote]

pic before modifications

[midnight nacelle]

yes good

w i d e

[harsh coyote]

wider fenders totally not stollen from roamer

[frank kelp]

neat

like it

[harsh coyote]

made it look fat

lol

[latent ivy]

the thiccening

[midnight nacelle]

v10
instantly hooked

[harsh coyote]

now time to fixicate the jbeam

and make some wheels for it

cause now I'm using some ETK 19x12 wheels in the rear

with only 305 size tires

aiming for like 325s at least in the rear

[lucid elk]

Grand Marshal V10 Big Chongus edition

[molten bough]

also you might need some wheel offset to fit the widebody

or thicc tires

[harsh coyote]

may have gone too thicc

345s

[molten bough]

theres never too thicc

[cosmic oxide]

so yeah @onyx dirge i am very strict about security the installer did in fact update to 1.47 now on the official website feel free to check for yourself

[wanton wraith]

yeah upon trying out beamMP it is quite janky

interesting concept

I guess

[raw dune]

Sometimes it can depend on your internet connection, the number of cars, their internet connections, etc. if all of those things are good then it is quite a smooth experience

[onyx dirge]

The location of the entry-point is suspicious,section: BeamMP:0x000E0580 The file contains self-modifying executable section(s) The file contains another file,type: unknown, location: overlay, offset: 0x00053600

Still will be looking into that

[raw dune]

Listen if you don’t like it then don’t use it. The rest of us will still be enjoying it

[cosmic oxide]

virus total

[onyx dirge]

You're telling this to a programmer of 15 years who also knows their way around x64/x86 asm lol

[cosmic oxide]

if you are dissecting it ofc it will look suspicious as a matter of fact the beamng launcher flags in virustotal

i am telling someone who is searching for something wrong

[onyx dirge]

I see red flags just looking at the entrypoint. it's very clearly decompressing or decrypting something

anyways enough of this. I'll look into it some and decide for myself.

[cosmic oxide]

sure you do whatever look closer and you will find that it's a program surprise

[frank kelp]

lol

[south galleon]

10/10 well made moding 100 yes

[frank kelp]

you're free to not use it

👀

[onyx dirge]

Haven't heard that one before

You think I'm looking into this because I'm looking not to use it??

[frank kelp]

wasn't speaking to you,but ok..?

[south galleon]

not using it is probably the only free thing about beammp

[frank kelp]

lmao

BeamMP itself is free

servers are going to be free once we finish the keymaster system

so yeah

idk

your choice

[latent ivy]

good advertisement

[frank kelp]

mfw when you make something free for the community and all they can do is complain that it's either a virus or a paid program

smh

[unreal sequoia]

Your mod would be taken better by people if you'll be less aggressive with advertising and defending it everywhere tho. Just saying it's better to be seen as good team 🙂

[frank kelp]

it's just extremely annoying to have people come to us saying it's a virus

[cosmic oxide]

^

[unreal sequoia]

It's sketchy when defender detects it as virus. Somehow truckers mp doesn't have that issue

[frank kelp]

because buying a Windows key that magically makes it not get detected is 300$

[cosmic oxide]

Well virustotal says 0 now so it's all good in my book the rest is just talk

[frank kelp]

and we're not rich

[cosmic oxide]

Ok and Lucas that is a little aggressive

Calm down

[unreal sequoia]

Eh. I guess. I wish you all luck with mod.

[frank kelp]

I'm on my nerves. It's hard seeing the community turn against you like that out of nowhere

[cosmic oxide]

Calm down and thank you very much car killer

[unreal sequoia]

I mean I was testing it from very first version when only Titch were working on it. So it's really nice to see big progress 😄

[cosmic oxide]

It's a dream we both had and we made it possible thank you for the input

Means a lot

[unreal sequoia]

[raw dune]

Hey Lucas I mean this lightly but it will sorta sound harsh cuz text but it’s because a few people are a bit upset doesn’t mean the community is against you. It’s a great mod! Enjoy the fact that we have gotten this far!😃

[frank kelp]

yeah i know, i apologized in #off-topic

but thank you for being supportive

really means the world to us

[fresh hedge]

oof didnt know it was sketch

havent downloaded yet

dont even have an anti virus so god knows lol

[raw dune]

It’s not

The way the software had to be written is sometimes flagged by antivirus software

[fresh hedge]

thats not the issue

like DM explained its actively modifying stuff

its kinda red flag

[onyx dirge]

@fresh hedge Basically the launcher is compressed or encrypted or sth and I'm just being cautious and checking what it's really doing.
Modfying itself just means it's decompressing code then running the new code.

[fierce imp]

i do agree with car_killer though, no mod is perfect and pushing the devs to hire is just weird

[raw dune]

The only thing it changes is the fact that it yoinks your beamng

^

[frank kelp]

You should go on the BeamMP discord and they'll be happy to prove you that it's not sketchy

[onyx dirge]

Wait, pushing devs to hire? 🤔

[fresh hedge]

@onyx dirge ah some type of DRM maybe

not sure tbh

i mean i do sort of doubt that its malicious but its odd

[frank kelp]

Afaik Anon protected his code a lot

But as I said, I'm sure they'll be happy to prove you guys wrong

[fierce imp]

i've seen a lot of quotes from these guys about "beamng devs ignoring us" and "why won't they hire us" @onyx dirge

[frank kelp]

And turn down your suspicions

[raw dune]

Hey I mean it’s never a bad thing to be aware of what you are downloading

[frank kelp]

"why won't they hire us" @fierce imp that was never said by anyone

[fierce imp]

mod is very cool, but the user has their right if their suspicious

not direct quotes, but meaning that

[frank kelp]

No

Never

Nor anon or Titch wants to get hired afaik

[fresh hedge]

would really doubt they would

patreon is far better pay id guess

[frank kelp]

It isn't

The Patreon monies goes straight to hosting more servers

[fierce imp]

like this for example

[raw dune]

Alright y’all have fun arguing imma go hop on beammp and enjoy it very much without having to worry ab this

[frank kelp]

Lmfao

[fresh hedge]

@raw dune congratulations

[frank kelp]

Sarcasm is a thing but ok

And I'm not even a part of the dev team

But sure

Why not

[iron spindle]

I cant wait to play beamMp tommorow xd

[fierce imp]

then i guess make less jokes that are centered around your team

[frank kelp]

You're not obliged to listen to said jokes

And it's not my team

:)

[onyx dirge]

Was it just "beamng pls hire kthx" like messages? Cause then those are obviously just messing around 😛

[fresh hedge]

^

[frank kelp]

^

[fierce imp]

it wasn't, in lucas terms I guess it's joking around about an MP team mostly when devs are around

it just feels like borderline begging to me, but it's not really an issue

[frank kelp]

Because that's what it was.

I wasn't begging for anything

I can't even take decisions for anyone

But alright, you proved your point. Good job

[fierce imp]

it's not your decision, that's why

[frank kelp]

I sadly don't get what you mean

:(

[fierce imp]

whatever man

[fresh hedge]

beamng have said like 100 times multiplayer isnt on the table so

begging would be pointless really

[frank kelp]

^

[onyx dirge]

I don't think they've ever explicitly said no though

[fresh hedge]

well just more like "not in the foreseeable future"

[raw dune]

Regardless, it now exists lol

[midnight nacelle]

bemg has mp now official or not

stop grying

[onyx dirge]

It seems the way BeamMP checks if you're in their server is legit. I have an unprotected EXE now and looked over it.

Makes me feel better that I know now 🙂

[fresh hedge]

ah good to know at least

[onyx dirge]

869kb unpacked
Original exe is 358kb

[frank kelp]

[fresh hedge]

will try i guess

doubt my 2mbps internet is up for it tho

[frank kelp]

Thank you for giving them a chance @onyx dirge

[onyx dirge]

I doubt 869 is the real original size though

This thing is hacked to bits, but its unpacked and runs lol

[frank kelp]

Anon's code

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx dirge]

I mean my EXE file itself is hacked to bits. Code itself looks ok

[frank kelp]

Oh right

Lol

Anyway, I'm sure you'll be able to enjoy it

[molten bough]

I’m gonna get it

I’ve been in the server for awhile but haven’t tried it because i was too busy with my own mods

[frank kelp]

You should

The new version is something really

[molten bough]

My computer is gonna kill me

[frank kelp]

Haha

It's quite easy to run

It's about the same as regular BeamNG

[solid rapids]

it really isnt

ur compooter has to process all the incoming vehicle information

which can affect performance quite significantly

[onyx dirge]

Afaik that's next to nothing now

in V1 it sent a ton of data iirc

[solid rapids]

it might still be pretty heavy on lower end systems

[frank kelp]

For me I get the same perf on MP and SP

[solid rapids]

especially when you are running like 8+ cars

[native zealot]

tfw CPU can't handle more than 3 other cars 👍

[solid rapids]

that means you probably have lots of spare performance

oof fx-6300 i can also run only like 3 kerrs

so i cant play mp lole

[frank kelp]

Afaik that's next to nothing now
@onyx dirge actually it's the opposite
V2 sends the vehicles actions now (like open tailgate, the t-series flatbed, etc), V2 also sends velocity now instead of teleportation, and it also has to download the mods from the mod sync stuff now

[native zealot]

4690k 😎

send cores

[onyx dirge]

But didn't V1 send entire vehicle node positions?

[frank kelp]

Nah

[onyx dirge]

For damage sync I mean

[frank kelp]

It just teleported the stuff

There was no damage sync in v1

That's new now

[molten bough]

How do mods work for mp

[solid rapids]

4960k is way better for bean than a fx 6300 because of thos single thread muscle

[frank kelp]

V1 was a slideshow lmfao

How do mods work for mp
@molten bough they're server-bound

[native zealot]

its only 4.5ghz lol

it can't multithread for shit

[frank kelp]

Kinda like FiveM or Gmod

[fresh hedge]

i have fast computer

[onyx dirge]

So how do I get this to work?

[fresh hedge]

but internet is like awful

[native zealot]

ok monsieur xeon

[onyx dirge]

Launcher is just a console window

[molten bough]

But like
Can you use mods or not

[native zealot]

Yes you can use mods

they're automatically downloaded when you join a server that uses them

[frank kelp]

Launcher is just a console window
@onyx dirge well it should connect to your discord client, and it should download all the stuff then launch the game

[native zealot]

if you have mods that the server does not they are disabled

[frank kelp]

Yup

[onyx dirge]

My log just ends with

you have : ["MDEV"]
Core Network Started!
Ready!
Core Network on start!

[fresh hedge]

oh this dumb channel doesnt have pictures either

ffs

[frank kelp]

Oh

[onyx dirge]

Then nothing happened 🤔

[frank kelp]

That's kinda bad

Might want to re-download lol

[native zealot]

@fresh hedge pfff pictures aren't needed!
/s

visual aids are a myth

[frank kelp]

Yeah it's the dismantled version lmao

[fresh hedge]

yes what could possibly be visual about beamng

[twin stump]

modding is all about literature

[fresh hedge]

facts

[solid rapids]

mhm

[native zealot]

#714429950765301791 🤔

🤫

[solid rapids]

no file extensions either

[fresh hedge]

downloading at 3.8kbs

[solid rapids]

adding a space is tedious

[fresh hedge]

brb necking myself

[twin stump]

@fresh hedge did they not fix fiber yet

[onyx dirge]

(Anon is going to see that log and be like
👀)

[native zealot]

attach your corolla to the internet connection for extra internet rpm

[fresh hedge]

engineer guy is coming to fixx on monday maybe

[twin stump]

so never

cool

[native zealot]

want to borrow my 69Mb/s

[twin stump]

yes

gib

[fresh hedge]

even 10 would be epic

[native zealot]

no 👍

[twin stump]

just gib 5

so i can have 20

[frank kelp]

(Anon is going to see that log and be like
👀)
@onyx dirge lol yeah, you just gave yourself the MPdev role lmfao

[native zealot]

google speed test says 55megabits
what a tragic event

[onyx dirge]

"oops" :)

[frank kelp]

Xd

[fresh hedge]

exploit boi

[frank kelp]

Bad

!ban

[native zealot]

banlet

[solid rapids]

bruh i have 76 down and 44 up in the middle of nowhere with a 4g mobile thingy router

[latent ivy]

is there a cat eye mod for the d series?

[solid rapids]

but in the capital city of riga i get 10 down and 1 up lole

[twin stump]

about what i have

[onyx dirge]

so I used the actual EXE and not my custom one

[fresh hedge]

dont even have phone signal here for 4g

[onyx dirge]

Connecting to discord client...
Client Connected!

Support time I guess lol

[solid rapids]

almost 3rd world country go brrr

[frank kelp]

Well it's connected lol

[onyx dirge]

That's as far as it got tho

[frank kelp]

Yeah you should go to #suppor t

[latent ivy]

still waiting for lucas and the other devs on the mp mod to have the dev rank

[frank kelp]

I'm not a dev lol

[latent ivy]

i know i’m waiting for you to be one

[frank kelp]

Lmao, I didn't work on the mp mod either

Lol

[latent ivy]

wut

[frank kelp]

I simply made the trailer stuff, and made a map

That's it

[latent ivy]

oh i just remember ur name from the discord server

[frank kelp]

Oh right

Yeah I was support

[latent ivy]

when i was begging for an uber lmao

[frank kelp]

Lmao was that you

Lmfao

Hope you got ur uber

[latent ivy]

yeah i found a ride tho lmaooo

[frank kelp]

Lol

[latent ivy]

bro it was so annoying what are the chances there are no lyfts for whole hour

is it ok to pay for mods on this server? i really want a cat eye mod for the d series

[onyx dirge]

@frank kelp ohh

If I start it with MDEV on the game never starts lol

[cosmic oxide]

(Anon is going to see that log and be like
👀)
Seen better

[frank kelp]

Dunno

Didn't code the stuff

Even if I tried

Anon's a genius

[onyx dirge]

My custom EXE does work then, cool

[cosmic oxide]

Hmm who knows the game did in fact not start

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx dirge]

It doesn't 😛

`
you have : ["MDEV"]
Core Network Started!
Ready!
Core Network on start!

`
no bng process in my list

[frank kelp]

When it starts, if says "Game Started!"

Imo your custom exe broke something

[onyx dirge]

Both custom and normal ones don't start when in MDEV mode

🤔

[frank kelp]

If you really want to play you'd be better off reinstalling it

[onyx dirge]

Works fine without doing.. totally normal things 😛

[frank kelp]

If I could tell you more stuff, I would

But afaik Anon's the one to refer to

For the launcher part

As well as the servers I believe

[onyx dirge]

Oh I see what's going on 🤔

Game Version : 0.19.4.2
Name : Dummiesman
Discriminator : 1470
you have : ["MDEV"]

Ordinarily you don't exactly see those messages, they show instead of starting the game

[frank kelp]

Yeah those don't show up normally

Game version does tho

[onyx dirge]

I have to do some more "work" if I want it to actually launch the game since i'm doing this in technically the complete wrong way lol

[fresh hedge]

is it just me or is it totally dead?

largest server has 2 people

couple have 1

rest are 0

id show a picture but no

[frank kelp]

V2.0 servers?

[fresh hedge]

idk

probably

i just followed discord instructions

[frank kelp]

Uhh

Did you download it from the website?

[fresh hedge]

yes

ofc

[frank kelp]

Ah then it's the right version

[fresh hedge]

https://i.imgur.com/FWf91MW.png

imgur works lol

[frank kelp]

Oh

That's the old version lol

It's pretty empty rn

It's getting deprecated soon

[fresh hedge]

so its the wrong bridge?

[frank kelp]

Yeah

[fresh hedge]

i dont get it

[frank kelp]

The bridge isn't a thing anymore

In 2.0

[fresh hedge]

o

[frank kelp]

I'm on my phone so it's a bit hard

One sec

Starting my pv

Pc*

[fresh hedge]

discord instructions are outdated then i guess?

ah

[frank kelp]

Yeah

We need to update them

[native zealot]

tried hosting a server with a mate earlier and the thing to get the verif key was down

auth key, whatever :P

[frank kelp]

Yeah the keymaster is down

Our backend is getting worked on

So that's why

[native zealot]

ah

not the best timing for release day then :D

[frank kelp]

@fresh hedge
https://forum.beamng-mp.com/topic/97/tutorial-how-to-install-beammp-v-2-0

not the best timing for release day then :D
@native zealot yeah we had to do our best lol

promised a date

had to follow it

[fresh hedge]

cool thanks

[native zealot]

fair nuff haha

[frank kelp]

you're welcome

https://beamng-mp.com/

[onyx dirge]

https://i.imgur.com/cfnZJoX.png

Best server

[native zealot]

rip link
killed by bots

[frank kelp]

server names in that UI are not working yet

same for the TP button

[onyx dirge]

Apparently I have just "-" as my name

[native zealot]

rip lol

[frank kelp]

oof

[native zealot]

i like how embeds work but you cant post files

[fresh hedge]

cool https://i.imgur.com/JScSFIP.png

[native zealot]

yeah it uses the beamng client itself for the server list GUI

[fresh hedge]

seems functional

ah

[onyx dirge]

Oh awch

Checking Resources...
Syncing...
(TCP) recv failed with error: 10038
Connection Terminated!
(TCP) shutdown error code: 10038
(TCP) Cannot close socket. Error code: 10038
Connecting to server
Game server Started! (Someone's IP lol)
Game server on Start
(Proxy) bind failed with error: 10048

[frank kelp]

hmm

all I can say is

that doesn't look good

lol

[onyx dirge]

https://i.imgur.com/xQbu5qC.png

[fresh hedge]

is kinda neat https://i.imgur.com/THaSGRv.jpg

[onyx dirge]

What server?

[fresh hedge]

fps is brutal thoo

gridmap one

freeroam or something its called

[onyx dirge]

That one I got a connection fail on last time I tried

[latent ivy]

can u crash into ppl

[frank kelp]

yes

[fresh hedge]

yes

[solid rapids]

yes

[frank kelp]

and is coll and gud

also nodegrabber is synced lol

[onyx dirge]

Stupid launcher keeps deleting my uh 'fixed' version lol

[frank kelp]

you can lift your car, and people will see it

lmfao

[fresh hedge]

get about 25fps

so defo way lower than SP

but playable

[frank kelp]

wow

that's

low

for gridmap

[fresh hedge]

thats what i thought lol

is lowest graphics too from looks

[frank kelp]

wow

da hell

[onyx dirge]

Yeah same for me

It launches with a new user folder I guess

[frank kelp]

I generally have like, 5FPS less than SP

It launches with a new user folder I guess
@onyx dirge yup

[fresh hedge]

oof 3rd person joined now 19fps

[native zealot]

i got 12fps earlier on the derby map

[fresh hedge]

not sure why its so slow

[native zealot]

when i normally get like 60-70

[fresh hedge]

can run like 30 cars normally

[native zealot]

is there some error loop shitting the bed

[fresh hedge]

there was on load but not anymore

[native zealot]

id post a screencap if i could

time to do a #714429950765301791

[frank kelp]

I guess we'll have to look into optimizing the stuff

lole

[native zealot]

might just be the nature of a beast like that in this game

[fresh hedge]

is cooler than i expected though

[frank kelp]

well yeah

it's cool

coolest thing for me is the mod sync

[fresh hedge]

@onyx dirge your name was like 100 boxes

[native zealot]

lol what server you guys on

[fresh hedge]

gridmap one

like 4 players

[native zealot]

ill see if i can get that working

i could only connect to like 3 servers earlier and they were full enough to be basically unplayable

[midnight glacier]

Probably will die down after a few days

[frank kelp]

that would be a big sad

[native zealot]

cool now it doesn't want to connect to the discord client

wtf lol :D

[fresh hedge]

mine just worked on first random server lol

[midnight glacier]

@frank kelp more in the sense, the initial crazy amount of people playing at once

[native zealot]

initial hype is not great for servers

[frank kelp]

yeah

especially the discord

we got a friggin load of tickets

and people spamming us

and in DMs

[onyx dirge]

@warped field oh hey you're here

[frank kelp]

everywhere

[onyx dirge]

You can post it as an imgur link in this chat

[frank kelp]

@frank kelp more in the sense, the initial crazy amount of people playing at once
@midnight glacier yeah ify

[warped field]

ok sec gonna get it on imgur

[midnight glacier]

Someone put an everyone in the server and there where too many channels to find where it came from

[frank kelp]

yeah

also

we have like 18k members

so

big sad

[native zealot]

server is pretty busy

[frank kelp]

un bruh momento

[warped field]

@onyx dirge https://imgur.com/a/DHOR9DH

[native zealot]

a lot of redundancy

[fresh hedge]

is it normal to not be able to change cars?

[frank kelp]

and now he has the MP dev tag in-game

hmm

[onyx dirge]

Deleted image?

[native zealot]

lol

[frank kelp]

is it normal to not be able to change cars?
@fresh hedge you can

[fresh hedge]

it'll spawn then switch to old car again

[frank kelp]

we deleted the replace current button

[onyx dirge]

You have to delete your existing one first

[frank kelp]

you have to delete current

[fresh hedge]

ooh

[frank kelp]

then spawn new

[fresh hedge]

aight

[native zealot]

lol

[frank kelp]

because the servers weren't set up to handle a vehicle replace event

or some stuff

I don't remember

[onyx dirge]

@fresh hedge you don't see the dev in my name?

[fresh hedge]

ye do now

https://i.imgur.com/5PL46Ww.png

[midnight glacier]

Lol

[onyx dirge]

Heh

[midnight glacier]

Dummiesman already hacked it

[frank kelp]

oh wow

that's

a

[native zealot]

19fps 👍

[frank kelp]

serious

security

concern

[midnight glacier]

Stop

Hammer

Time

[deft kite]

Lewis, it's hammer time

[frank kelp]

[onyx dirge]

I'm good at breaking things 😛

[native zealot]

lol

i wonder how catastrophic changing graphics settings is while connected to the server

[calm hinge]

HACKERMAN 😎

[fresh hedge]

was about to try lol

[native zealot]

just did

[fresh hedge]

figure it wont make any fps difference

[native zealot]

rip meshes

[fresh hedge]

something else is bottleneck

[onyx dirge]

Lol I broke veyrons body off on my side but not on his

so now the van body is just moving around

[warped field]

i changed all my gfx to highest when trying it out earlier, didnt seem to do anything

some weird 0 grav things happening sometimes. quite interesting

[onyx dirge]

Uh wait

I have a "remove others" button

[fresh hedge]

lol

same

[onyx dirge]

Did I just remove your guys cars tho? 🤔

[native zealot]

no

[onyx dirge]

oh, well now everyone is gone xD

[fresh hedge]

nop guess they thought that one out first lol

or not lol

[onyx dirge]

Spawned a new car and it switched to someones existing car

[frank kelp]

the remove everyone is client sided

[onyx dirge]

I thought I might only be seeing it cause "dev"

[frank kelp]

in fact everything is client side ;-;

gravity

slow mo

all that

[native zealot]

framerate is client sided

[fresh hedge]

lol

[frank kelp]

lmao

[onyx dirge]

Well F

now I cant spawn a car

[frank kelp]

which server are u guys in?

2fast gridmap stuff?

[native zealot]

gridmap one

[onyx dirge]

I tried /kick but no permissions

[native zealot]

yea

[onyx dirge]

So at least it doesnt give me that lol

[frank kelp]

joining

/kick is not a thing afaik?

[onyx dirge]

it is

[frank kelp]

owo the custom loading screen is cool tho

[onyx dirge]

"You do not have permission for this command"

[frank kelp]

oh

welp

I didn't know it even existed lmao

[native zealot]

did half of the vehicles just disappear

because my framerate just randomly doubled

[onyx dirge]

I kept trying to spawn and it wouldnt let me

so I quit and rejoined

inb4 it associated a ton of vehicles with me

[fresh hedge]

mine maybe went up like 2fps lol

[frank kelp]

I'm getting like

30FPS

[native zealot]

10

[frank kelp]

ohgod

[fresh hedge]

24 ish

[native zealot]

10-16

[onyx dirge]

Chat keeps failing on me

[native zealot]

chat only seems to send messages when paused for me

[fresh hedge]

seems ok here

[native zealot]

pessima tuning 🤫

[fresh hedge]

pessima rice man

[native zealot]

agre

ok thats it lol

[fresh hedge]

going west coast usa server to see fps

rip no players spawned

can tell lol https://i.imgur.com/Ist8WsI.png

[native zealot]

lmao

framerate went upto 40-60fps when only 4 cars were spawned, collision detection got a million times better too

[frank kelp]

yeah

better fps means more data sent

more data sent means better collisions

[native zealot]

makes sense

[latent ivy]

anybody know of any slammed d series mods?

[tranquil marsh]

Nope sorry

[latent ivy]

all good anybody else?

is there any way to edit a suspension to go lower

[tranquil marsh]

Im in a server that you can join if you want@latent ivy

[latent ivy]

what is it abt? beamng?

[tranquil marsh]

Yea

[latent ivy]

sure invite me

[tranquil marsh]

You can slam alot of cars

[severe jolt]

Hi, is there a van mod? Like this:

I can't attach files... Hmm

It is a Ford van... Can I send you in DM?

[latent ivy]

imgur exists

[exotic sigil]

has anyone ever made a daytona track and a daytona car? 💭

[humble kindle]

iirc daytona exists but no nascar

there's a latemodel though

[molten bough]

ate-ona raceway

but its not on the forums anymore

[onyx dirge]

@frank kelp I see my previous mDEV, and I present you

you have : ["MOD","MDEV"]
Core Network Started!
Ready!
Core Network on start!

On the newest launcher

my previous method is now just false hope though. Good on anon for that

[signal sorrel]

@onyx dirge If you find flaws report them on BeamMP Discord please

[onyx dirge]

he flaw is the overall design of the system here lol

you have : ["EA", "SUPPORT", "MOD", "YT", "GDEV", "MDEV"]
Core Network Started!
Ready!
Core Network on start!

[signal sorrel]

We would be happy to hear some ways to improve it in the BeamMP Discord

Feel free to contact us

[frank kelp]

And please stop publishing those sorts of info here.

As far as I know, you're still tempering with our launcher which is, again, against our ToS

And you're publicly advertising it which is even worse

[twin stump]

ok

[frank kelp]

If you could contact us in the future before doing these sorts of things it would be appreciated

[trim gulch]

I'd like to try it, but I heard it's infested with viruses

[signal sorrel]

It's not? You can ask in our server, we'll be glad to solve your doubts

[trim gulch]

You guys have too many channels

I'll download it when I get confirmation it's safe from someone say dummies

Those tandem drifts await

[signal sorrel]

Alright, do as you feel 🙂

[harsh coyote]

As far as I've seen so far Dummiesman so far has only been disecting a publicly avaiable code for potential threats and issues

And nothing in our ruleset says not to do that

[cloud shale]

imagine infecting something with a virus and still gaining few thousand members lol doesnt seem normal. if it had a virus i doubt anyone would download that and even if they did the message would be spread about it having a virus

[harsh coyote]

So he is free to continue what he's been doing over here @frank kelp

Aside from that Titch made it clear that you do not have a right to do any official statements on that mod

And you're not a moderator on this server either

If you find some user abusing the rules please use the report command and don't backseat moderate

[frank kelp]

That code is not closed source and it goes under our TOS

And he is dissecting it in public

[harsh coyote]

Then report it

[trim gulch]

I don't see any issue, unless there is a virus you want to hide...

[frank kelp]

Besides that, I'm not making official statements here, only warning him.

[harsh coyote]

Then you're backseat moderating

[supple timber]

If it’s not a warning related to this server then it’s in the wrong spot

[frank kelp]

only warning him.
before the 'official team' takes actions

Then you're backseat moderating
@harsh coyote because the real moderator isn't moderating here.

[harsh coyote]

I see no issue with what he's doing here

Again

Use -report command

End of discussion, untill theres an official report from mod creator, Dummiesman is free to do what he's doing

[frank kelp]

I see no issue with what he's doing here
@harsh coyote then you need better eyes and a better legal knowledge than a 16yo that is literally giving you everything you need.

End of discussion, untill theres an official report from mod creator Dummiesman is free to do what he's doing
@harsh coyote Alright then

[random tree]

What he is doing is against our ToS

simple as that

[frank kelp]

^

[deft kite]

Then solve that issue with Dummiesman please. In private

[frank kelp]

you just said you wanted a report in here

and now you ask us to go in private

[supple timber]

Only from the devs

[cloud shale]

several people are typing

[frank kelp]

Only from the devs
@supple timber and jojos is one???

[harsh coyote]

If you see someone breaking the rules use -report command

[deft kite]

if he is breaking our rules, report. if he is breaking yours, solve it in private 🙂

[harsh coyote]

If we decide that a person is indeed braking the rules actions will be taken

[signal sorrel]

@deft kite About that
https://discordapp.com/channels/710082165253079061/710083235995975762/729258043539193857
I asked him to solve it on our Discord server, looks like he did not read though, I can't force people

[deft kite]

I saw that message too :). If you need something from our side(like the removal of messages), please use report.

[signal sorrel]

Alright, thanks

[supple timber]

He(dummiesman) doesn’t have to report issues tbf.

Also I get that taking apart the code could be bad theft wise or with malicious intent but he is trying to make sure it’s safe and he hasn’t publicly posted code that code be used in a harmful way from what I have seen he knows where the line is in terms of security.

[hard harbor]

I think you all should just leave it now @onyx dirge If you have any issues about the Multiplayer mod please contact one of the moderators in the BeamMP discord please and we will get this issue fixed!

[frank kelp]

I get that, and I can understand why he's doing it. It gets flagged, and people get confused, feel endangered, and try to find out the cold hard truth. I get that
What we don't appreciate is the fact that he's publishing semi-detailed reports, containing Launcher info that could be used with a malicious intent from someone else.

I know perfectly well that Dummies is a cool guy, and it's trying to magically hack to obtain precious info or something, but still, we asked him to do it on our Discord. And he continued posting those details here
If he'd like to stay in this Discord just because it hits more people, then sure, but at least do it in a less detailed way. Just say you didn't find anything yet, or just that you found a way to give yourself tags, not publicly show them.

Hope you can understand this.

[onyx dirge]

I don't get how posting 3 lines from a log file, which contain content from a fully plain text, human readable Lua file, is "detailed" in any away

[harsh coyote]

Again, Dummiesman, you are free to continue with what you've been doing as far as our server's rules are concerned.
For MP team, if you have issue with it, use -report function or deal with it in DMs or your server.

[onyx dirge]

Iirc I haven't mentioned the methodology or anything in detail, just posted logs like that which an unmodified BeamMP launcher itself makes

Those "You have" roles are all available to be found out via their lua files

[lusty wedge]

Okay guys. @onyx dirge You are correct these are "roles" that are available to be found in the lua code. The lua code is open to be viewed, dissected, suggestions to be made and so on (this obviously does not give the rights to redistribute or anything like that). As for any of the executables that we have made, playing with them in private is alright as long as no code is shared anywhere other than with our MP staff team in a ticket. When it comes to posting things here in the BeamNG discord please try to refrain from, end of the day this discord is for BeamNG and not BeamMP. If you are looking to try to reverse engineer our work i would appreciate it that you do not given the huge amount of hours we have put into making it however if it is for looking to ensure the systems safety both of our work and our users then this is okay, but i ask again that findings are reported in a ticket so that we can address them rather than posting things in here which potentially gives people suspicion over our system just because they might not be so knowledgeable on the subject. End of the day you are welcome to scan our work but when doing so please look at what it is actually reporting it for before running to the crowds. we have no intention of putting malicious things into our work because we share the same goal that all of our players want and that is to have multiplayer. One other thing I do ask is that in "tampering" with our work you do NOT join any online sessions while using what is essentially a modified system. If found to be doing so it IS a breach of our rules and will have to result in appropriate punishment. Any further discussion on the matter can it please be taken into our discord.

[ancient lagoon]

"this discord is for BeamNG and not BeamMP"
posts about it nearly daily

ok bro

[weary ermine]

Let's cut it short, bring strictly 'BeamMP third-party modification discussion' elsewhere please.
Especially discussion related to its ToS/Rules and so on

This is not the place to waive ToS and Rules belonging to other things than BeamNG and BeamNG.drive

As it would quickly turn into massive off-topic, and you have dedicated places for that instead.

Thanks 🙂

[supple timber]

discusses bng mod in channel for discussing bng mods, is told to do it elsewhere.

Like sure tos and rule discussion might not be appropriate but discussion about the mod and how it works seems harmless enough. (Not trying to argue just pointing something out) ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank kelp]

I get what you mean, but we're kind of afraid that Dummies might publish some critical info too about how the launcher works, and it by itself is not a mod, it's a protected .exe.
hope you can understand us, and as corvette said, not trying to argue, just pointing something out.
if one of the guys from the beam team would like to open a DM with either me or any other member of the team please do as AI'Torror is going to work and can't continue discussing this with me anymore.

[frank kelp]

^ this also meaning it's the end of this discussion here ^

[cloud shale]

yall dont have anything better to do or smthn lol

[fresh hedge]

dummies isnt that much of a dick lol

[frank kelp]

I never said he was

but ok

;-;

[fresh hedge]

"we're kind of afraid that Dummies might publish some critical info"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank kelp]

who said he wouldn't be able to

or do it by mistake

[fresh hedge]

lol anyone who could do anything useful with the info would be able to do the same thing so no point worrying about it anyway

[frank kelp]

what..?

[fresh hedge]

random internet guys can crack AAA games

im sure beammp isnt exactly much

[frank kelp]

so you're saying it wouldn't matter if someone cracked it

lul

[fresh hedge]

im saying it wouldnt be worth worrying about

[supple timber]

Why would it matter it’s a free update

[fresh hedge]

its going to happen if someone wants to

[wind cipher]

For the last time - take this discussion to MP server

[frank kelp]

im saying it wouldnt be worth worrying about
@fresh hedge it's worth worrying about because that's against a ToS bru

read the stuff

also this

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/KHxzGoHjhWnZJKickSm5zob5XeFGkCBy3fzOoeVBzRM/https/images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/NKIcHQ2xiiM_3X1Td_cWdPi1nTJMS2E1_pzOv0CiOx0/https/i.imgur.com/5PL46Ww.png

[fresh hedge]

ugh you dont get what i mean, its not worth worrying about crackers, cause if they want to crack it they will regardless of what you or the TOS says. thats all.

[humble kindle]

^

[raw dune]

Have y’all not read anything the beamng mods are tryin to tell you?? Go somewhere else with this! It’s been two days

[fresh hedge]

is already over

StOp TaLkInG aBoUt ThIs

[south galleon]

backseat moderator yes

[raw dune]

I enjoy backseat driving too it’s pretty fun

[humble kindle]

Only reason I put the ^ there is because its true
Anything on the internet is hackable

[fierce imp]

[raw dune]

Lmao

[frail dew]

cringe

[tranquil marsh]

crange

[wanton wraith]

jesus, what happened here

getting back on topic, is there an updated version of the pessima coupe from varietymod? I loved that config pack so much

[lucid elk]

VM pessima coupe is broken

but JsZ made a pessima expansion pack

has coupe, hatch and wagon pessie

[wanton wraith]

oh yeah

I have that mod so I should be good

[tranquil marsh]

What

Why delete

[cinder pier]

Did someone ever made "My summer car" map for Beamng?

[slate swan]

Dazy did, but its download link was removed

[native zealot]

who

[spiral comet]

didnt the mod developer of MSC get banned?

[native zealot]

yes

[tranquil marsh]

Why?

[lucid elk]

didnt the mod developer of MSC get banned?
the guy who made that map or what?

[spiral comet]

he got banned due to some weird reason, wasnt it he got into a fight with a bear on the forums and Beam War 2 happened?

[solid rapids]

yes

[lucid elk]

wtf is this

fight with a bear on the forums

[south galleon]

wat

[cinder pier]

Bean war 2? When even the Bean war 1 happened?

[tender flicker]

Before you were born

[robust vessel]

beam war

what

are we documenting cat fights as historical events now

[latent ivy]

celica

[solid rapids]

silvia

[latent ivy]

laurel

[tranquil marsh]

Chaser

[latent ivy]

primera

is it a primera gt

😔

[native zealot]

🤔

[latent ivy]

neither of them are particluarly expensive

also that instantly tells us that you've played my summer car

[native zealot]

£600 isnt a lot of money for a dream car

my only complaint with it is that the brakes are pretty weak

[latent ivy]

not exactly something that can't be fixed

[native zealot]

need to modify the front hubs or get expensive ST205 ones

[latent ivy]

or just get some better pads

as a temporary fix

[native zealot]

tru

they're only single piston callipers on 280mm discs so they are pretty crap for heatsoak

[latent ivy]

my dad put semi race pads on his track honda recently and said they were massively better than before

there's the small issue that they're not exactly road legal but 🤫

[native zealot]

how not

they only check pad depth not material

[latent ivy]

the material isn't legal cause it's barely effective until they get up to temperature

but yeah it's not exactly something we'd get pulled over for lol

[native zealot]

yeah that sounds like a horrible idea to improve braking performance on a street car

[latent ivy]

the extra performance is for the track, not the street

[native zealot]

street is track 🤔

[latent ivy]

a

[native zealot]

only difference is you brake less hard on one than the other 😄

and one isnt littered with pheasants, hence need for cold brake perf

[latent ivy]

and one has speed limits

[native zealot]

it does?

[latent ivy]

what roads don't

[native zealot]

oh right A roads are 60mph not 120

[hollow storm]

hwat is speed limite

[fresh ermine]

Idfk

[hollow lake]

i have decided to steal the chassis from WinnebagoMan's firebird he had made

[molten bough]

🆗

[hollow lake]

i do not know how to put it back into blender though

[molten bough]

🆗

[hollow lake]

how do i convert back from jbeam

[molten bough]

🇼 🇭 🅰️ 🇹

[hollow lake]

yes

[frank kelp]

Ok

Also nice seeing people steal things from others

Really restores my faith in humanity

[humble kindle]

Jbeam is text

[hollow lake]

im stealing the f body only

[humble kindle]

Why?

[hollow lake]

because the 85 trans am uses it as well and im too lazy to make one rn

unless i can take obj and put it into blender

[humble kindle]

What year is winnebagoman's one

[hollow lake]

81

[humble kindle]

2nd and 3rd gen F body share nothing

[hollow lake]

shid

[humble kindle]

I own a 79
Nothing really major interchanges

[hollow lake]

do you know how to obtain the measurements of the bodies

i managed to get wheelbase and stuff like that

[humble kindle]

Blueprints

The 3rd generation F cars use macpherson struts up front and coil spring solid axle in the rear
The earlier F cars are identical to the barstow underneath

[hollow lake]

thank

[humble kindle]

I know winnebagoman on discord
He most likely would not appreciate stealing parts from his old mod

[hollow lake]

i have disreguarded that because 360cad

[midnight nacelle]

why does this man type exactly like i do

[hollow lake]

because we are alike human

[midnight nacelle]

maybe i am you

[hollow lake]

h

[cinder pier]

Nvm cant post images here

[frank kelp]

Bruh momento

[cinder pier]

Exactly

[native zealot]

lol winnebagoman would not approve of this

[pale flame]

My attempts to make a My Name Is Earl skin for the moonhawk have failed. Either I messed something up, or the tutorial I followed was outdated.

Ended up with the classic no texture skin

[midnight nacelle]

did you follow the wiki guides? speaking from experience, I wouldn't rely on those as they're very outdated lol

not quite sure about the skin tutorial

[pale flame]

I followed the video that was linked with the wiki guide

[midnight nacelle]

on a second thought I'm quite stupid

[pale flame]

I’d imagine it was outdated being 7 months old but it was the only thing I could find

[midnight nacelle]

7 months is very recent

[pale flame]

It’s possible I messed something up but it got in game, with just no textures

[midnight nacelle]

did you follow the guide by Margarine?

nov 2019 is quite recent

[pale flame]

Yeup

That was the one

[midnight nacelle]

I'd say you messed something up, it's a recent guide and skins are simple enough so the old wiki guide shouldn't really be outdated either I imagine

[pale flame]

Yeah I guess so

Somewhere in the files

[midnight nacelle]

I was also thinking of the vehicle creation guides which are mega outdated

[pale flame]

I could send a picture of the materials CS file. That’s where I assume it when wrong

Might do that in modding help

[midnight nacelle]

I don't know much about it myself, you'd be better off asking someone else

attach a file there and see what people say

[latent ivy]

Question, is there anyone planning on recreating the 24h of Le Mans track, Im not a modder, just curious

[vale hill]

Question, is there anyone planning on recreating the 24h of Le Mans track, Im not a modder, just curious
@latent ivy There should be someone but not in this Discord i guess

[patent ember]

Out of curiosity is there a way to get semi trailers to not automatically lift their jacks when you hitch them up? Part of me wants to make a terminal tractor mod and those actually have fifth wheel hitches that telescope upwards so they don’t have to lift the legs to move them for yard operations

[wild raft]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/438994540846907392/733327612021178459/unknown.png
Does anyone know how to access this electrics value in the jbeam?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/438994540846907392/733327684074995722/unknown.png
for this

[calm hinge]

You might need lua to dump it in a custom electrics

Would probably be the easiest way

[wild raft]

yea

I already found a way

ill post the result in #714429950765301791

[calm hinge]

Nice

[jagged leaf]

could anyone help me with Jbeam editing?

im trying to make my 2k hp automation supercar not shit itself when i try to corner

[midnight nacelle]

2000hp
expects it to corner

[latent ivy]

lmao

[native zealot]

driver mod

[lunar thunder]

Hey yall could someone pls halp me with this small mod i'm trying to make

i just want to make etk i front doors without chrome

i've just been playing with the old etk i wagon mods and this little detail keeps bothering me

i cant paste pictures for some reason rn but it's all on my forum post

https://www.beamng.com/threads/changing-materials-on-existing-vehicle-parts.72086/

it seems like it should be so simple but it's the how that's so complicated to me rn

thanks in advance!

[fossil ore]

just remap the uv

or change the material if its separate

[wild raft]

Is there any way to convert cdae back to dae?

[latent ivy]

anyone know where i can find this mod? https://youtu.be/n-BbyvIWlAQ?t=226

cant find it anywhere

[slate swan]

I think it was removed

[midnight nacelle]

flying bolide revamp when

[slate swan]

Flying bolide revamp when

[frank kelp]

flying bolide revamp when

[native zealot]

guy who made it got banned

[molten bough]

flying pigeon when

[latent ivy]

ikr

ahh

i found it

for anyone interested

[slate swan]

Where

Probably a Russian site

[latent ivy]

oh

cant link reddit

kek

[slate swan]

Oh reddit

[latent ivy]

search "Anybody have the mod DH Hyper Bolide I can download from them?" on reddit

[slate swan]

That mod actually broke my game you know

After 15 minutes of playing the game would freeze

[latent ivy]

https://youtu.be/XyqDySaGyJA?t=303

weird

ill wait out 15 mins and see

[lunar thunder]

@fossil ore Thanks for replying!

The material isn't separate as it turns out, the whole chassis is just using a nondescript "etki" material

On a side note this may be a stupid question but what's remapping a UV?

I've used UV's for making some skins and that's really about it

[latent ivy]

oh my god finally

https://www.beamng.com/resources/loads-for-gavril-h-series.13566/

[fossil ore]

@lunar thunder since its 1 material you can go in blender edit mode and select the area thats chrome and go to uv editing tab

then click open and use the etki_d dds and move the map on a area that makes it not chrome

[lunar thunder]

I cant upload friggin images but I did that and after I got into the tab theres a grid with some marks im gonna assume represent the area I selected

What's the next step pls?

i got the dds open and the part i selected is shown on the dds like the corresponding part

[fossil ore]

the orange should be the part you selected

so you can just move it onto a part where the other door is mapped to

[lunar thunder]

i honestly don't know what that means fam

i should probably use mod-help to post pics now that i think about it

[fossil ore]

i tried posting pics but they obv didnt work lol

[edgy gust]

@latent ivy https://www.beamng.com/threads/updated-bolide-rocket.13905/

[fossil ore]

thats not it

the dh hyper bolide got removed afaik

[cloud pike]

Do we have any current flying car mods that are up to date? those were pretty fun

[polar cedar]

well the flying pigeon in here still works for me

https://www.beamng.com/resources/pigeon-mod-pack.1642/

[cloud pike]

Thankss, it should do for now to mess with for a bit

[latent ivy]

whats the best drifting car mod?

[lucid elk]

Blijo pigeon pack better

Because 4 wheels

And 8 wheels

[cloud pike]

well sadly the pigeon has almost no lift to take off and needs a lot of speed, though from that I ended up re-downloading the B25, had no clue it was updated in february, got my fix for flying machines now, but man we really need a light aircraft like the cessna again

[fossil ore]

that og flying bolide should be fixable

[midnight nacelle]

@placid sinew in about 3 weeks i’ve gotten to the point where i can model a complex rectangle 👍👍

[placid sinew]

Impressive

4th year here

[midnight nacelle]

bruh

[placid sinew]

Started to master automotive modeling, and now I am working on game models to see

[midnight nacelle]

nice can’t attach images

i made a wardrobe lol

[placid sinew]

Fancy

[midnight nacelle]

inertia kindly made it appear ingame for me and now i’m figuring out how to beam

[placid sinew]

Ways best to start with furniture

Also that's cool

[midnight nacelle]

yeah he told me to just do a prop

i’d learn loads that way

and he was right frankly

hopefully we’ll work on an actual car after this is finished ))))

i reckon there’s about another week of work left

[placid sinew]

That's sounds fun

[midnight nacelle]

it has been

[frank kelp]

when relez wardrobe

with opening doors

[midnight nacelle]

relez soon

[fossil ore]

when it redy ™

[ancient lagoon]

internia mods

[native zealot]

more like unfinished mods 🤫

[calm hinge]

internia plz gib relez

[lucid elk]

Holy crap a moderator is shitposting

Awesome

Or atleast speaking shitpost english lol

[calm hinge]

lol

[midnight nacelle]

@ancient lagoon my mod ok

[ancient lagoon]

ok "what are nodes" man

[latent ivy]

are there any subaru mods

[fossil ore]

spicy mod wip

[sacred karma]

Soobro

[tender flicker]

Yea

Uh

Kinda

[lucid elk]

WIP

[frank kelp]

Wippe

[south galleon]

wiper

[bleak orbit]

Hello

[proven tendon]

I, I want to make a real car mod, but I don't know how to port a car, how to jbeam and other things, I'll need someone to help me

[robust vessel]

pay me at least 50 dollars

[proven tendon]

Wow

I don't have money

xd

Or I need someone to teach me

[ancient lagoon]

i will do it for $49.99

[robust vessel]

damn
i've been undercut

[proven tendon]

Well

I'll watch yt videos instead