Since the author is an anarchist, the book is available here!
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-the-failure-of-nonviolence
#January 2024 - The Failure of Nonviolence
loud sinew
If you'd like a physical copy, see https://vxtwitter.com/DetritusBooks/status/1724839584314634440
also this book club is going to have a dress code; please bring your freshest balaclava
brisk cove
Much as I prefer paper books, I think I may have to go digital for this one…
loud sinew
woof. $13 in the US
brisk cove
It’s the shipping that kills.
fickle torrent
Look into asking your local bookstore to order it for you.
loud sinew
i feel like I'm going to have to join the Popular Front discord to get relevant emoji
We will be meeting on January 14 for introduction through chapter 6 and January 28 for chapter 7 to the end!
warm sable
Oh snap i might actually be able to take part in this.
tribal torrent
I'm excited about this as I'm a serious pacifist but also deeply believe it's important to challenge one's ideas and values; test them for robustness, as it were.
Right in the first couple of pages, calling out the way elites make or break the efficacy - or chimera of efficacy - of protest movements reminded of this excellent column in "The Interpreter" of the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/world/the-power-politics-of-social-change.html
loud sinew
I'm excited about this as I'm a serious pacifist but also deeply believe it's im...
I'm excited you're excited! I'm starting my reading today
storm lagoon
absolutely excellent, this is just the sort of thing I was looking for
loud sinew
This book is disappointing me somewhat. I was hoping for deep dives into movements and I'm on chapter 3 and none yet
And more sources for the claims he's making
loud sinew
And more sources for the claims he's making
However this might be me being very fussy because I'm used to being extremely precise when I write
verbal linden
This book is disappointing me somewhat. I was hoping for deep dives into movemen...
I agree. I think it needs another draft copy to be presented as a clear focussed plan showing the current situation and appropriate responses. It feels like a uni yr 1 essay.
loud sinew
Book club chat tomorrow 
tribal torrent
I'm also finding it to be a bit of a defrensive screed. While there is an argument to be made, and certainly he seems to have cottoned on to its outlines, the entire rebuttal of the Chenowith et al. study betrays a deep unfamiliarity with academic research and writing as a whole.
Not trying to be a fussy pedant by saying that - again, there is a valid rebuttal to made here, and he almost has it - but I feel like the author could benefit from more intellectual rigor training.
loud sinew
I'm hoping we will get some people familiar with anarchist thought turning up for the talk today
I've done a little research so I don't sound incredibly ignorant as we chat but I'm still at the 101 level
tribal torrent
Agreed, I'm def planning on doing more listening and learning than anything else today, though I won't deny I'm guilty of some, "But, but.....[x,y,z]" thoughts as I read.
frigid moss
Worth mentioning that MLK and the Civil Rights struggle was absolutely not perceived as being "nonviolent" at the time
warm sable
Well that's a bummer. I can't get audio to play through my headphones on my phone.
loud sinew
Oh noooo 😦 just seeing this now @warm sable
warm sable
All good. Such is life
loud sinew
Did anyone get overly inspired by book club and go to Home Depot? https://vxtwitter.com/JeffMcRichards/status/1746654482035769473?s=19