Semantic Satiation | Dagger | Page 1

patent mauve Oct 30, 2023, 5:51 PM

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Looking up "semantic satiation" 🙂

celest lodge Oct 30, 2023, 5:51 PM

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when a phrase is repeated so much it loses meaning

patent mauve Oct 30, 2023, 5:52 PM

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Ah right

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_satiation

Semantic satiation

Semantic satiation is a psychological phenomenon in which repetition causes a word or phrase to temporarily lose meaning for the listener, who then perceives the speech as repeated meaningless sounds. Extended inspection or analysis (staring at the word or phrase for a long time) in place of repetition also produces the same effect.

celest lodge Oct 30, 2023, 5:52 PM

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so what we were doing was a lot of:

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`container.With(WithSomeCommonFeature), and he noticed our functions used With redundantly, which yep, we fix that.

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then I look at how a bunch of steps in a row look:

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    return GoBuildBase(client).
        With(debian.AddPackages("docker")).
        With(InstallMage()).
        With(ShellStep("cd /usr/local/; curl -L https://dl.dagger.io/dagger/instal_l.sh | sh")).
        WithEntrypoint([]string{"/bin/sh", "-s"})

patent mauve Oct 30, 2023, 5:55 PM

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Yeah, I hear you. With() is a stopgap until we ship a more powerful composition model.

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For one, it's SDK-specific.. Unlike all the other calls, With() doesn't exist in the GraphQL schema. Each SDK has to manually add its own.

celest lodge Oct 30, 2023, 5:55 PM

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we came up with this shape:

func Compose(funcs ...dagger.WithContainerFunc) dagger.WithContainerFunc {
    return func(container *dagger.Container) *dagger.Container {
        for _, fn := range funcs {
            container = container.With(fn)
        }

        return container
    }
}

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and do something like this:

    return GoBuildBase(client).
        With(Compose(
            debian.AddPackages("docker"),
            InstallMage(),
            ShellStep("cd /usr/local/; curl -L https://dl.dagger.io/dagger/instal_l.sh | sh"))).
        WithEntrypoint([]string{"/bin/sh", "-s"})

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we're just a team obsessed with defining language around our concepts, so we're all pretty weird about the shape of apis. sorry.

patent mauve Oct 30, 2023, 6:01 PM

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Don't worry you're in good company 🙂

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Did you take a look at #daggernauts yet?

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Should be right up your alley

celest lodge Oct 30, 2023, 6:10 PM

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I will probably end up getting up to speed on it, and yeah it is interesting. I really need to get a po submitted for the cache service

patent mauve Oct 30, 2023, 6:17 PM

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Re: cache service, are you in touch with Lev? (head of solutions) He can help navigate

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