international

[lofty siren]

Otherwise no one cares abt international students

[proud bison]

yeah they are all like "we lost jobs, why do we need foreigners"

[lofty siren]

No a lot of ppl are like

[proud bison]

unemployment in tech industry decreased during this pandemic

[lofty siren]

“Don’t u automatically get green card if u work here for 5 years? American dream!”

[proud bison]

not even "work here"

they are like "don't you get citizenship if you are here 5 years? study for 4 years, work for a year, and you are in!"

[lofty siren]

.

[proud bison]

I wish government was doing what's good for the country, not what sounds good in media

[lofty siren]

Well the US is a plutocracy

[reef thistle]

That’s just how deep the propaganda is in the US
@lofty siren I don't think you can really call that propaganda

Sure people are ignorant about the whole process, but nobody's purposefully keeping them ignorant, most citizens would never have a need to look up/understand the hiring/naturalization process from a foreigner's point of view.

[lofty siren]

.

.

Just pointing this out

[twilit spire]

is anyone dealing with having interviews at insane times? I have a final 3am - 5am (I asked the company and they weren't willing to change it either), and I have no clue how I'm gonna perform well

[safe current]

wtf 3am - 5am?????

[craggy mango]

I'm assuming timezone difference outside NA?

[twilit spire]

Yeah

I’m outside of NA applying for roles in NA 😦

[errant isle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763386985893068880/763872358838304778/Screenshot_20201008-171317_Messenger.jpg

where are the models of this server

[lofty siren]

Trump desperate to fix his marriage smh

[heady lodge]

does it look bad if you apply to internships and ft at the same company?

[craggy mango]

Like at the same time?

[heady lodge]

yep

[vale flame]

my fellow canadians

are there any other opportunities there other than explore and step for 2nd year students?

[little bison]

anyone know any companies that'll let u do remote outside the US/Canada for internship

[proud bison]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763386985893068880/763872358838304778/Screenshot_20201008-171317_Messenger.jpg
@errant isle bruh this shit is outrageous lol

Trump feels like he is a king lmao

[opal jetty]

yeah fuck this

Under the new rule, the required wage level for entry-level workers would rise to the 45th percentile of their profession’s distribution, from the current requirement of the 17th percentile. The requirement for the highest-skilled workers would rise to the 95th percentile, from the 67th percentile.

what is this even for software engineers

[opal jetty]

ok i found it

min wage for l1 software engineer in sf is 138k

[long goblet]

Is there anyone here from NYU Tandon?

[candid cliff]

So we can’t file for H1B if we don’t hit the 45th percentile?

yeah they are all like "we lost jobs, why do we need foreigners"
@proud bison

Yeah this is very true

Eliminate competition to> ill look deeper into the official document. 140k for level 1 does sound ridiculous but i doubt that would get approved. they would lose insane amount of money if that was the case
@cunning umbra

Yeah it makes zero sense. People don’t understand what entry level means

[opal jetty]

138k for 45th percentile doesn’t sound right to me...

the median base salary is above 138k?

with a few exceptions, most tech companies don’t pay this much for base salary when you graduate with a bachelor degree

[candid cliff]

with a few exceptions, most tech companies don’t pay this much for base salary when you graduate with a bachelor degree
@opal jetty

He’s using the new grad salary in SF. SF is pretty expensive to live in general so that seems about right. I agree that $138k seems to ridiculous, unless it’s jane street or something

Besides that, who the hell would earn $138k above with 0-2 years of experience

[opal jetty]

some companies do pay above $138k but based on the statistics i got after graduating from my coding camp, the median was $120k in SF

but that’s just the base salary. companies usually give RSUs and sign on bonuses

[candid cliff]

This is going to impact those who have not filed for H1B yet

[opal jetty]

if you’re a student now you have 3 years of opt

so it wouldn’t affect you until you’re done with opt

[candid cliff]

Best bet is to go to a company that will pay you super high, but of course the bar will be so much higher

Well that means I can’t file for H1B

Because if I don’t hit the benchmark

Then I am unqualified

[opal jetty]

actually after 3 years of opt, you won’t be level 1 anymore...

you’d be level 3, which is 75 percentile

[candid cliff]

Exactly

It’s not gonna f me up now, the problem comes later

Then again a lot can happen within three years

But you’re only allowed to file for three times

[opal jetty]

i think tech companies will change their compensation structure for internationals

it’s not that big of a deal for faang

10k less rsus, 10k more salary

but startups won’t hire international students anymore

their rsus are usually worthless until the companies ipo

[drowsy ingot]

anyone know where to find the min salary per location?

[lofty siren]

Problem is trump is also announcing the 4 year limit which pretty much cancels the OPT

@drowsy ingot https://visa.1point3acres.com/?area=42660||Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue%2C WA King County WA&soc=15-1132

[proud bison]

but the other changes (requiring CS degree) are terrible
@copper plinth yup, the other changes are gonna prevent internationals from getting software engineering jobs in the US

let's just pray Trump loses and we can keep OPTs, and hopefully also STEM OPTs

[proud bison]

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/changes-in-h1b-work-visa-will-attract-best-and-brightest-minds-us-official.html
That moment when you frame "changes that will destroy IT industry and small companies, and make big companies off-shore a lot of jobs to different countries so brightest minds can keep their jobs" as "changes that will attract brightest minds"

[long goblet]

Guys, is it advisable for anyone, in light of the recent changes, to come for masters in the states?
Should people wait it out till Nov 4th to make decisions?

[proud bison]

I think election results may not be available till later

so idk when you need to make decision by

but it may be like a week or several after the election

[long goblet]

I am currently working from home (From my home country) for a really bad startup in the UK and am really underpaid. I am trying to delay my UK visa application till the US election results are announced. I have to decide between continuing at the startup and moving to the UK vs attending NYU in fall 2021 / spring 2021

I initially thought higher ed in the US would be the gateway for a really high TC (which is not available anywhere in the world)...but the recent changes seem scary

[lofty siren]

PhD and undergrad maybe, not masters

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/changes-in-h1b-work-visa-will-attract-best-and-brightest-minds-us-official.html
That moment when you frame "changes that will destroy IT industry and small companies, and make big companies off-shore a lot of jobs to different countries so brightest minds can keep their jobs" as "changes that will attract brightest minds"
this policy is official today, can only strike it down thru court

This is my personal view ofc

But masters is usually one year and course only, so I don’t think you learn a lot in particular

Whereas for PhDs you research w some of the best scientists in the world; for bachelors US college system allows u to learn in many fields (multiple majors) v easily

[candid cliff]

By at this point,> this policy is official today, can only strike it down thru court
@lofty siren

Wait so

Does it MEAN that all the H1B applicants today who only did their masters here and not their undergrad

Will be eliminated?????

[lofty siren]

This is my understanding only, so please consult an immigration lawyer: all LCAs filed after today must adhere to the new standard.

[candid cliff]

SIGH

Y Is life so hard

[lofty siren]

Yeah

Just raise awareness so we can hear the media talking abt this

By that point the court will have actions

[candid cliff]

So I just start doing my opt

Oct 5th

When will I be eligible to file for H1B?

I’m lucky enough to get this full time offer since junior year

[lofty siren]

I think usually u immediately start to file for H1B once u start OPT

You use Opt as a buffer in case u lose the H1B lottery

But now your wage must be eligible

[candid cliff]

I think usually u immediately start to file for H1B once u start OPT
@lofty siren

Obviously 4 days wasn’t enough

[lofty siren]

Yeah.... I think the best bet now is to hope that this policy will be taken down soon

[candid cliff]

I am meeting that bar tho

[lofty siren]

Oh

[candid cliff]

The L1 bar

[lofty siren]

Then you’re good just file as usual

[candid cliff]

But the problem comes later when I reach L2/L3. So I must try to navigate away before it hits

Thank you @lofty siren I appreciate u responding

[lofty siren]

Np gl with everything

[candid cliff]

Daaaaaamn hahahah

[glacial laurel]

LOL

they are gonna give salary "hikes" and have the employees pay them back lmfao

[candid cliff]

LMAO

$5 -> $11

Jk

[opal jetty]

the salary changes seem...reasonable
@copper plinth Agree. If they can stop h1b abuse by WITCH

The CS degree requirement for software engineers is ridiculous

Getting a job with >50 percentile salary is hard enough that a degree shouldn’t matter

And not all degrees are the same. Like a non CS degree from a reputable university outside the US > CS degree from a no name university from India

[candid cliff]

Yeah what’s the process like ^

Isn’t it ok to switch jobs during opt

Oh wait you’re talking about cpt

My b my b

[lethal wing]

My classmates told me these things to pay attention to

So I dont know for sure if these things will happen or not

[candid cliff]

What

[lethal wing]

@lethal wing where did you get this from?
@cunning umbra Like these

[winter pendant]

Has anyone done interview with Bytedance Singapore? Please dm.

[candid cliff]

A few questions, as a first year OPT

• when is the earliest I can file for H1B if I’m a few days in my new job?

• what if I don’t meet the L1 wage requirements since the rules proposed are so new? I am not severely underpaid. Pretty decent as a new grad but 45% hike seems a bit too ridiculous if you ask me

• Should I contact my company’s immigration lawyers and propose a solution? OR wait for 30 days and see if lawsuits come?

• what can companies do to rectify the situation?

[oak narwhal]

Anyone has some concise and easy to understand article on the changes made to h1b process like 45%ile stuff and all?

[candid cliff]

damn

[proud bison]

Also that 45% thing is only for level 1, few people are level 1, and Trump also wanted to get rid of level 1

[candid cliff]

Can this get any worse

[opal jetty]

if they ban h1b v few ppl would come to the US to study

[lofty siren]

Which trump supporters want lol

[shell bone]

🪰

[cunning umbra]

Does Biden have any plans regarding Visas? he talks all the time about illegal immigrants but never talked about making H1Bs process easier

[grizzled kernel]

biden would be a return to status quo likely. he nebulously mentioned reforming it but likely nothing will happen besides a reversal of trump's executive orders

[candid cliff]

Are you able to take up 2 full time jobs while on opt?

Or it depends on your current company

[spark stag]

You can take two full time jobs on opt and it does not depend on current company. All that matters how you can balance both work

[agile lily]

you cannot work over 40hrs per week on OPT, right?

[candid cliff]

You can take two full time jobs on opt and it does not depend on current company. All that matters how you can balance both work
@spark stag

Oh wow that’s awesome

Okay then I’ll consider this

Question again. So if I am able to hit the base salary for L1, with both jobs. Am I eligible for the H1B?

Which company would you file it with?

[proud bison]

Question again. So if I am able to hit the base salary for L1, with both jobs. Am I eligible for the H1B?
@candid cliff no, 99.9% sure

biden would be a return to status quo likely. he nebulously mentioned reforming it but likely nothing will happen besides a reversal of trump's executive orders
@grizzled kernel that would be amazing, but unlikely, he also wanted to increase minimum salaries for h1bs etc so it's not unlikely he will not reverse this, but let's hope he will change it to some rational rule instead of killing h1bs like this administration just did

We should pray for the court to strike down this bullshit

[candid cliff]

Honestly

It depends on when you get the job

If you can get one right after undergrad, you can save up for grad school too

So eligible for 3+3 years and 6 H1B tries

[candid cliff]

Right now, I’m working at an F500 as a developer and they generally have a better work life balance. So if I don’t get picked, the worst case scenario is go back to grad school. I’ve always wanted to get one anyways

I just wanted to save up a bit more then pay for grad school if need to. But if you are well supported financially, going for a grad school right now is a good option too

[proud bison]

@cunning umbra why don't use OPT for your undergrad? If Trump loses then OPT will almost for sure stay as it is right now and it's a glorious deal to have 6 years of OPT

@cunning umbra yes, you will also be able to make shit tone of money and wait through this hell period rn with crisis and anti-immigrant politics

You wouldn't need H1b till like 2030, that would be completely different world

And with that many years of work experience, you would be able to get a job as a senior engineer or something

@proud bison because a masters would not cost that much money for me atm since i only have to pay out of my pocket for one more semester
@cunning umbra I see

if you just really want Masters then you may do it now but if you want to strategically use it for immigration purposes, then I would use up 3 years of undergrad OPT first

hmmm, I think it may be possible, you should do some research about it

but also note that if Trump wins then he always wanted to get rid of allowing people to use OPT several times for different education levels

but also it may be impossible for him to change OPT like this without congress

not sure

hmm yeah I think it would be good, especially if you can get OPT for second Master degree

if not then you would need to consider this trade-off

[candid cliff]

It’s better to do OPT since it’s not yet canceled

Grad school will always be there

But the job climate is also pretty harsh right now, so I say it really depends

You may get lucky and get chosen for H1B after grad school, so

But I chose OPT, cause I can tell they’re moving quick to restrict everything

It’s less of what I want, and more of what’s going on outside

[young moth]

I hope my internship doesn't get screwed over by immigration-related issues

[lofty siren]

Will u use CPT or OPT

[young moth]

OPT, I guess?

Why would I use CPT?

[lofty siren]

Wait so will u return to school afterwards?

[young moth]

Yes

This would be in the summer after my junior year, and before my senior year

Why?

[lofty siren]

Oh then u can only use CPT

OPT is only for after graduation I think

But CPT is fine u don’t have to worry abt immigration issues

Trump is trying to take down H1B and OPT rn

[young moth]

Huh?

https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/students-and-exchange-visitors/optional-practical-training-opt-for-f-1-students

Pre-completion OPT is a thing, according to that page

[lofty siren]

I think usually schools only gives post completion OPT

U should check ur schools international office policy

[young moth]

Huh

That's a thing?

[lofty siren]

Yeah it’s like directly below

I think that’s usually how OPT is used

For post completion

[young moth]

Oh, okay

My DSO just got back to me with details on how to request CPT

[lofty siren]

I think CPT is the best way to go, v easy to get approved and isn’t affected by politics

Rn OPT takes at least 2 months to get approval

[young moth]

Oh, I see

Yeah my DSO got back to me explaining what the process is like. I will do CPT

Well. I said in my internship applications that I needed OPT authorization to work (not CPT authorization)

Rip

I'm so dumb

[little bison]

Lol CPT wasn't even a thing at my school until intl students protested recently. We could only use OPT

[vale flame]

are these all the canadain mans?

[young moth]

Wait so how does CPT work?

Does it give me an EAD?

[little bison]

nope

it adds a section to ur I-20 (so you would get a new one). It's usually specific to the employer and with specific dates

can only use your CPT for the employer listed on your I-20

[pale karma]

I need advice from international undergrads studying in the US rn. I’m thinking of transferring universities. Do you have any knowledge what this process entails and if you know of any international student has done so?

[candid cliff]

Don’t u just need to transfer ur SEVIS?

[young moth]

I need advice from international undergrads studying in the US rn. I’m thinking of transferring universities. Do you have any knowledge what this process entails and if you know of any international student has done so?
@pale karma I've done that. You apply as a transfer just like everyone else, then you fill some form after being accepted for your old DSO to transfer your SEVIS to your new DSO

[proud bison]

lol did you guys know that STEM OPT has been essentially created by Bill Gates lol, I love that guy

[candid cliff]

lol did you guys know that STEM OPT has been essentially created by Bill Gates lol, I love that guy
@proud bison

What really?!

Hahaha dayum let’s write to him

[proud bison]

@candid cliff yeah, he just was invited somewhere, went up to the head of DHS like "yo, I need this program" and they created 17 month STEM extension in 2008, then in 2016 court was like yo, the way you implemented this was illegal so STEM extension cannot exist anymore, so DHS was like okay okay we will create new OPT STEM, and they created a 24 month STEM lol

golden times for foreign talents

if court deemed OPT STEM illegal one year later, Trump would be like FUCK YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH instead lol

[pale karma]

@young moth can I dm you? I have a few questions

[candid cliff]

Yeah

Nothing we can do about it

[pale karma]

Wait what’s the new rules??

[pale karma]

Wait whattt

Who tf are we then?

Yea so what will we be after uni then

[hidden jewel]

Wait

where's a link for that

It wasn't no SWEs

it was just broad wage requirement increases that were proposed

uhhh

it's nothing remotely like that

I've not seen anything like that so far

but a link would be a helpful reference

I believe the only proposed change was that you would need a computer science degree to be a swe

not that you can be a swe on an H1B visa

[candid cliff]

Wait so

If you’re an SWE then no more filing for H1B?

But my degree is CS tho

Are those idiots just completely cutting it off?

the new rules are that you now need a CS degree to be a SWE and the wage requirements are higher
@copper plinth

So is this the correct info?

@hidden jewel If an individual could qualify for a software developer position based on having a seemingly unrelated degree in any engineering field or in general engineering, or its equivalent, then it cannot be concluded that the position requires the application of a body of highly specialized knowledge and a degree in a specific specialty because someone with an entirely or largely unrelated degree may qualify to perform the job.[57] In such a scenario, the requirements of sections 214(i)(1)(A) and (B) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1184(i)(1)(A) and (B), would not be satisfied.
@urban crystal

This is too general

Some companies need CS degrees

Not all will hire those who have unrelated degrees

Then companies can just alter to take those terms out

Alter their internal policies

Pretty sure they’re gonna get bribed lmao

They fudge their papers all the time

@urban crystal are u on opt or H1B at the moment

It’s pretty easy for us to get a masters in a different more specialized field to be honest

[hidden jewel]

Very interesting

[candid cliff]

No I’m on OPT. Are you a developer?

@urban crystal

[hidden jewel]

I guess most postings do say requires education in Computer Science though

I see

[candid cliff]

I thought the same thing @hidden jewel but I guess @urban crystal has a point as well

but hoenstly if u are in a more specilized field this is good for you
@urban crystal

Yeap

[hidden jewel]

Well this is quite wild

[oak narwhal]

Time to shift to data science

[candid cliff]

Honestly for people that only come for masters to do CS, they will get cut out too

[hidden jewel]

Thanks for the detailed info @urban crystal , gonna take a more thorough look at this later

[candid cliff]

How about those SWEs who need to get H1Bs renewed

Are they pretty much, fucked too?

LOL

How about those SWEs who need to get H1Bs renewed
@candid cliff

You’re referring to this right

@urban crystal

Here’s the thing tho, they’re all seniors

Yeah. Cause my friend who works at amazon told me that amazon is planning to file lawsuits

He’s a senior dev

Exactly

So it’s multi billion dollar corporations versus this DHS rule

He only have a Bach?

Wdym

Yes

BS in CS

UCSC

Those who just renewed visa last year

They are pretty much safe

6

3-6

Dude I’m like doing masters right now

While working while interviewing

Cause I knew this was gonna happen

He would pull a shit like this

😦

That’s me

HAHA

but I’m already a dev

Lmao

I’m legit so confused

[pale karma]

Bruh I can’t understand shit rn. Can anyone pwease summarise what’s changed?

[candid cliff]

It didn’t mention explicitly thats the thing

[long goblet]

Is blind really helpful? All i see are racist comments

[young moth]

A friend of mine speculates that tech companies will give software engineers that need H-1B visas a different job title than software engineers that don't

[candid cliff]

Makes sense @young moth

[long goblet]

Btw guys, would you advise students coming in fall 2021 or spring to cancel their ms plans? Or should they remain unbothered

How much long would that wait be? December?

Have people started filing law suits yet?

[candid cliff]

if biden wins it will be back to 2016
@urban crystal Lmao

[long goblet]

Yeah im just waiting till November 4 to commit to my decisions.

[candid cliff]

What’s a TN visa

[long goblet]

Im just worried about lack of internship or full-time opportunities. Im thinking that companies wont hire internationals anymore if there are so many legal hurdles.

And doing an ms and not recovering your investment will be a financial catastrophe

[candid cliff]

@urban crystal don’t u need to stay in Canada for six months

First

[pale karma]

Yeah I get a fat almost full tuition scholarship so it’s chill with me

But what if same tuition?

[quiet vine]

what about MIT vs waterloo

i would choose mit lol

[candid cliff]

my point is its all superficial and no one really looks out for you but yourself
@cunning umbra

Yeah I feel this shit on the deeper level

Its not at all the same job opportunities
@floral ledge

People in the states get a paid a lot more right

[pale karma]

Imma think about transferring school tbh

[candid cliff]

There were only 62 SWE internships in the whole of Canada last time my sister checked

I’ll just say almost all waterloo kids intern in the US as soon as they can
@floral ledge

Yeah I see a ton of them on twitter

[hot field]

Pinged

[candid cliff]

Tf

[hot field]

[candid cliff]

How’s u get a first year internship there

[copper plinth]

That implies school matters a lot

[quiet vine]

finance cares more about school name

not every company is like that

i dont think demon is saying to go to some crappy school

its more like target vs top state school right

top schools are often very generous in scholarships though

so i dont think we can generalize like that

[candid cliff]

For international students, top schools will def help. Can’t say the same for locals tho

[glacial laurel]

idk from my experience
I think if u have the profile to get into stanford or MIT
@urban crystal nothing else needs to be said lol

[quiet vine]

yeah getting too heated rn

[cunning umbra]

sorry i just take this stuff very seriously

[candid cliff]

facts are that the top US schools are just in a different dimension and Canadians cope with the tUiTiOn excuse while making 60k new grad
@floral ledge

Shit seriously, 60k?

But not all grads who get into FAANG companies graduate from top tier universities. So while getting into a prestigious school helps, it’s not an absolute hard cut

and ima always call people out whenever they say school doesnt matter
@cunning umbra

Nothing is absolute*

[proud bison]

I hope companies don't start rescinding offers for internships and new grads after Trump abolished H1b

[cunning umbra]

🤢

[proud bison]

I feel every day less hopeful that Biden will win

[floral ledge]

shouldnt affect internships though

[proud bison]

depends on your job position

?

companies like Google will not be able to continue hiring CS people

cuz their positions are very general

I hope that at least more specialized positions like "Database Architect" will survive

do you guys know if those rules also apply to EB? maybe companies will just start filing directly for green cards instead lol

there will be no lottery anymore

cuz almost nobody will be eligible for H1b lmao

I mean idk

maybe Google will change things so that they are able to somehow hire H1bs

no idea whats going to happen

I think companies still didn't comment on this ridicoulousnes yet

cannot you have immigration intent after 90 days in the country just like F1?

[errant isle]

I'm wondering what would happen to investment bankers who are international
most ib jobs don't really need a degree lol

[proud bison]

yeah finance people are also already dead

basically everyone

except for "physicians and lawyers" as DHS said in the document

they literally gave some example that was basically saying "if you are for example physician or lawyer, you are fine, but if you are software developer, there may be problems"

[errant isle]

tbh i think big companies like faang will always find a way

not sure about unicorns and smaller ones

[candid cliff]

But how many of us will even get into > except for "physicians and lawyers" as DHS said in the document
@proud bison

Time to go to law school

Lol

they literally gave some example that was basically saying “if you are for example physician or lawyer, you are fine, but if you are software developer, there may be problems”
@proud bison

That’s everyone

tbh i think big companies like faang will always find a way
@ha.bmc#5409 Yeah

[proud bison]

tbh i think big companies like faang will always find a way
@errant isle yup: offshore to Canada

that's the way

[candid cliff]

Nah they won’t ship the whole clan to Canada

That’s stupid

[proud bison]

and Unicorns and small companies don't have offices in other countries

so exactly as you said

only FAANG will survive

[errant isle]

if they expand offices in canada i would not mind moving
not like us is my dream country lol

[proud bison]

Donald Trump 2020 MCGA: Make Canada Great Again

[errant isle]

it'd be great to see a giant tech hub being built somewhere else

[proud bison]

only Zurich

yup

nowhere else in the world can even compare

exactly

Zurich is like 75% of US salary

and its the closest

the rest is way lower

[errant isle]

yeah that's why most ppl come to us
not like they're in love with this country

[proud bison]

in UK you graduate, you have 50k salary, in the US you graduate, you have 200k

salaries in other countries allow you to have stable lives

but only US will make you crazy wealthy

also no other country appreciate entrepreneurs as much as US

Microsoft, Google CEOs are former H1bs

Elon Musk is immigrant

they wouldn't be here if Trump did all this shit 30 years ago

it's sad Americans can't see it

[errant isle]

my idol Andrew Ng also is a former H1b

[proud bison]

many Americans can't see that H1bs create their jobs

instead they fall for the propaganda that they take their jobs

[proud bison]

but in terms of salary

I think Palantir in UK is a good deal too

because they pay you Silicon Valley salary

even tho all other companies cut salaries significantly lol

[tired iron]

who knows that might change next year

[proud bison]

h1b will suck under biden too
@copper plinth I'd prefer H1b that sucks than one that doesn't exist

also Biden wantedo to double the cap on H1bs

and raise minimum H1b salary to a rational number

because the previous one was too low

and yeah it allows some companies to abuse it

and I'd agree that raising it to a level what normal tech companies pay would be good

but Trump raises it to level that no non-hedge-fund company pays

Trump's logic is so flawed

instead of raising this salary to let's say 50% or maybe even a little bit higher of what people on that particular level earn, he just raised it to 45% of general salaries for new grads, and 95% for most experienced lol

I've never heard of any company in Bay Area paying $145k base salary for new grads

[rustic ember]

comparing salaries between the us and europe is stupdi

[rustic ember]

you're not including taxes, when a position says 50k in europe, you actually get 50k

it already includes taxes, which are ofcourse very high

2. you're not taking into account the cost of living, 50k as a starter salary is great, you can comfortably live off this

those are just the two major ones

[candid cliff]

Hey anyone here who is in Canada? My friends are hiring

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/2203524711/?refId=3897739981602623482044&trackingId=1hmW8BZ0ooYT4eK2erYc6Q%3D%3D

DM to intro

[proud bison]

@rustic ember did you live in Europe?

Europe is a shithole, I'm European, I can work in any European country without any visa, and I'd prefer working with visa uncertainty in US, Canada, or Australia over Europe

[rustic ember]

I live in Europe

don't generalize

have you watched the news in the last 6 months

3x is off

like way off

I mean if you're comparing wages Atleast do it correctly

hahha no

It's more than 3x if you're comparing to 50k
Except that anyone can get 50k

it's a small minority which can get 200k after graduating

the average SWE salary in the US < 100k

junior that is

I mean sure if your life revolves around working

you're again ignoring taxes

lol that high

I thought it was like 10%

at that point the average wage isn't even very different

sure, but if you wanna get rich, being an employee is not the way

define wealthy

I don't consider 200k to be wealthy

chasing tc is p useless anyhow

Lmao euro poor cope, it never gets old
lucky I don't bother

id take yur job

yup

I just don't see myself moving

just to earn 2x

[craggy mango]

where lol

outside FAANG

[quiet vine]

how much does shopify pay new grad in canada?

oh not bad

that's more than SAP i think

i think its like 85k

didnt apply there for full-time personally

yeah

they made a huge cardboard sign by the entrance

#1 place to work on glassdoor

hehe

its pretty good, an intern is like a full-time worker there

and they hire lots of interns

so its easy to make friends

yeah thats a huge aspect

would probably suck if it was all full-timers

i think 60 LOL

and each cohort overlaps by 4 months

so there's 120 at any time

[proud bison]

if you are concerned about COL, just be a SWE for a Western company, and live in Eastern Europe, you make below-average salary and you are filthy rich lmao

[proud bison]

Lmao I think that whole Level 1 wage is beneath almost everyone, DHS gives an example of Level 1 as "internship position" lol

So we're not even expected to have $140k salary

but probably like $170k lmao

Trump administration is crazy

[drowsy ingot]

@proud bison you have a link for that

[lofty siren]

The funniest thing is he specifically exempted “modeling” from this

[proud bison]

@drowsy ingot https://www.flcdatacenter.com/download/NPWHC_Guidance_Revised_11_2009.pdf page 7

[vale flame]

are these the canadain faangs? shopify? and what else ?

[frail terrace]

okta is good

[proud bison]

For some reason they don't have specific data for Bay Area yet

but for example in Los Angeles

Level 1 minimum is $116k

and Level 2 like over $140k

And Bay Area Level 1 will be around $140k

so good luck with Level 2 💀

maybe they want to kill California and force companies to move their employees to other parts of the US lmao

[terse flare]

Do companies even hire OPT holders? Should I go for internships rather than a full-time position?

[candid cliff]

Well technically you need a CPT for an internship

[steep valley]

anyone knows any good consultancy to help with the visa?

[opal jetty]

all the jobs in bay area lol

like i don't even rlly wanna live there

[proud bison]

@cunning umbra you mean H1b under the current rules? At this point I would be happy if even SWE was fine

I think very unlikely quant trader would qualify

unless they can prove that this job could be done only by a CS person

they force employers to prove that this and only this particular major is needed for this job

they won't qualify jobs that accept multiple different majors

you should check with your school if quant trader would even qualify for CPT or OPT

@proud bison dont swe jobs already accept multiple different majors tho
@cunning umbra yes, that's why many, if not majority of, SWE jobs will not be eligible for H1b anymore even if they met wage requirement

everything depends on how hard DHS wants to fuck us honestly

cuz rules are a little bit vague about it

honestly for now I would just wait for lawsuits

because these rules are so disasterous that idk if any SWE that is not crazy senior would qualify for H1b

did the new h1b rules already pass?
@copper plinth it's not really about "pass" they just introduced them like some fuckin dictators without discussing with anyone

wage rules are already in place

the other rules

will be in place on December 7th

I think companies are going to destroy Trump administration in courts

because they normally wouldn't be able to implement those things but now they think that they have emergency powers because of covid

but their reasoning is unfounded because there is no surge in unemployment in tech, so it should be easy to struck down in court, they just make foreigners extremely stressed again

ye

there are 2 separate sets of rules

[proud bison]

few companies have offices abroad

[tropic atlas]

there are 2 separate sets of rules
@proud bison could you elaborate on what each of the 2 rules briefly entail?

[mild plank]

Google is no longer sponsoring international students, at least of phds

https://careers.google.com/jobs/results/115870902874186438-software-engineer-phd-university-graduate/?hl=fr_FR&jid=%2Fgoogle%2Factions-on-google-strategy-and-1600-amphitheatre-pkwy-mountain-view-ca-4308110123&page=8&utm_campaign=google_jobs_apply&utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_jobs_apply

[sacred vine]

that must cut at least half of CS phd grads

they probably still sponsor for research scientist tho?

[mild plank]

@sacred vine I actually doubt that

[proud bison]

I hope companies don't rescind offers they already gave out

@urban crystal this is literally a PhD posting

[mild plank]

@urban crystal Facebook calls their PhD swe research scientists just to honor their degree

All companies can do that if they want

[proud bison]

under Biden STEM PhDs are supposed to get green cards without sponsorship lmao

nobody can be sure who will win but I looked into those polls they conduct and some polls take for example 460 people who voted Trump in 2016 and 440 who voted Clinton in swing states, and among those people Biden always win by 10-20 voters

so it looks that people actually swing from Trump

let's hope for November 3rd to save the US

if Trump wins then there is no point in staying in the US as an international
@urban crystal not only staying but also studying

you cannot even get internship

cuz nobody will take international

even till now

it was muuuch harder for an international to get internship

now it will be almost impossible

yeah so it's not about staying, it's about no purpose of even studying here

if you study in Canada

you may stand a chance to get a good internship which will boost your career

and if you study in the US and you don't get any internships then you are so not-competitive after graduation lol

yeah I've seen that if you get a degree in Canada you are like almost guaranteed to get PR

yeah there is no argue about that - it's muuuuuch easier to go to Canada to study

if US didn't have crazy salaries

then they wouldn't have any smart people here

those H1b rules are going to lose tens of billions of dollars at least for the US in the next couple years

[candid cliff]

At least u can still work for three years

[proud bison]

I think people take OPT too much for granted

with Trump it's not granted either

they may do something about it any time

[candid cliff]

At the same time, I think it’s better not to speculate cause this shit’s been going on since 2017. Nothing we can do about it

[lofty siren]

Google won’t sponsor entry level positions this year

This is the end guys

[vale flame]

yo whats the pathway into the US for canadains

[lofty siren]

Not sure about return offers

But this is updated on the careers page

For new grad roles

[errant isle]

then I guess next summer will be my last in the us

[lofty siren]

I think I’ll just go to companies w Canadian presence

Or stripe, maybe I’ll get transferred to Dublin

[errant isle]

does salesforce's canada office have tech roles?

[lofty siren]

I think their Halifax office has tech roles

U can apply for summer internships

[errant isle]

i have an internship offer for us
not sure if they'll be willing to transfer me to canada if shit happens

[lofty siren]

I think it’s still possible to do the internship

In the worst case change the return offer to the Canadian office

I have friends at databricks that do this

[errant isle]

yeah hopefully that will be an option
my sf recruiter did talk a lot about how employees could transfer to another country

[deft copper]

its for phd

[lofty siren]

@cunning umbra sorry I was confused, it’s for PhD roles only, BS and MS new grad roles are closed I think

Has this always been like this, PhD new grads are not sponsored at Google?

[proud bison]

" Individuals applying for this position will not be eligible for immigration sponsorship."

For MBA Interns at Google too

Biden has 2 times more views on his town hall than Trump, let's hope he defeats that devil and ends this nightmare

I'm wondering if Google will start rescinding offers to intls (if they were even considering internationals this year cuz I never heard back)

[craggy mango]

technically it is possible to get a gc under TN lol
just very risky
since you'd have to start the proccess after like 90 days of arrival and hope you finish before the 3 yr renewal

also cant leave the country for a while since you won't be let back in for filing for gc lol

[vale flame]

LOOOL FR

then

[long goblet]

is the google policy 100% accurate? can someone link me?

[mild plank]

@lofty siren Google has always sponsored Ph.D. new grads. This is a new thing that came into effect last week.

[proud bison]

do you guys know any intls who got interviews from Google this year?

I'm wondering if they were even considering intls in the first place

and if they did, did they get their offers rescinded yet?

[obsidian ridge]

@proud bison I did an interivew for Google's CTR role yesterday

[candid cliff]

What’s CTR @obsidian ridge

[obsidian ridge]

Cloud Technology Residency

@candid cliff

[candid cliff]

Oh yes that! I’m hearing people were starting to get interviews

Other international students

[proud bison]

@obsidian ridge is this an actual role tho

like a pipeline for full time

or just some program

because if Google doesn't expect you to work for them after that program then lack of perspective for H1b shouldn't affect that

[craggy mango]

ye I wouldn't say it's the recommended way
unlikely to get deported as long as you stay in the US until you can get EAD/AP or whatever
it's honestly not that uncommon though

but basically impossible to do if you're born in china or india

yeah assuming trump doesn't do anything to that though lol

some people don't wanna bother with a masters though

anyway time to start dating americans 👀

yeah it's rough

well it wouldn't be the end of the world if I just stayed in canada

yeah I know
but if I ever wanted a green card it'd be a hassle

you can only renew so many times
some people wanna permanently relocate

like I know there's no cap on renewals
but eventually the border agents gonna ask if you're ever returning to canada lol

like you have to justify your intent to return to canada

so owning property or anything contradicts that

[proud bison]

"The US imigration process has been reduced to dating apps" ~uwuKing 2020
LMAO

a TN Visa gives u all the rights of a US citizen
@urban crystal bold claim to say that a non-immigrant visa gives you rights of a US citizen lopl

I feel like people with non-immigrant visa basically have no human rights here

they may do whateber they want with you

not really

what if you want to start your own company

what if you want to make some side money

what if you want to buy properties

so you don't have rights of a US citizen

don't you need to be a noble prize winner or sth for EB1 lol

lol

dang then you would get a green card if Biden won lmao

good for you

I mean

if Biden hands you an easy green card

you may as well be a dual citizen lmao

wait wtf

how do you not pay taxes

I'm so confused

are you a Dubai citizen

holy shit

howdid you do that

wtf

[oak leaf]

stanford has andrew ng tho hes pretty op

i mean he was a daddy in the old days but i feel like he hasnt done much recently

tru

stanford itself maybe not many, but its right next door to faang with all their research labs like google, facebook

[candid cliff]

What do you plan on doing after graduating @urban crystal

What’s your research about if its not too sensitive to ask?

I’m just curious what topics people normally go for in the AI/ML space

[shell bone]

awesome! Good luck! ❤️ grad school!

pick your advisor well!

[shell bone]

if you pick well, grad school can be a really fun time! I love it so far! 😄 Plus, if you become an expert in the thing, you may still have to prove you can code, but you'll be evaluated outside of just "can you pass this hackerrank", which is really nice! (although you will have to do a lot more presentations and talk about your work). Companies will invite you to come in and speak and stuff, also (as an expert), which is also cool!

[frosty matrix]

Anyone know whether HubSpot has stopped sponsoring International students for this upcoming Spring and Summer??
Co-op/Internship!!

[proud bison]

@frosty matrix "Given the impact COVID-19 is having on global travel and immigration laws, HubSpot has suspended immigration sponsorship and cross-border relocation in some of our regions. We are closely monitoring local developments and will continue to revisit this suspension in impacted regions. We will update this page as the situation evolves."

[frosty matrix]

@proud bison But someone in the channel earlier said that they are still accepting interns/co-ops. Is that legit?

[proud bison]

idk

[candid cliff]

Aim bigger companies

[proud bison]

not really

Google doesn't sponsor immigration anymore

https://www.am22tech.com/usa/news/h1b-wage-level-increase-lawsuit/ first lawsuit fired off, GET EM!

[crimson cosmos]

are there uk companies that sponsor visa for internships? what about canada?

[brittle mesa]

^uk yes

[crimson cosmos]

I just applied to improbable. know any others?

[safe tree]

do companies only sponsor candidates who have or are getting a bachelors in the US?

Or the question is: do you need to have a bachelor's in the US in order to be eligible to an H1B visa?

[brittle mesa]

^no

[proud bison]

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/world/h-1b-visa-ban-second-lawsuit-to-be-filed-in-us-court-against-new-rule/story/419368.html

[stray sentinel]

hello! if a company’s recruitment is based in the US but the branch that youll be working at is in Canada, should you be negotiating salaries in USD or CAD?

[candid cliff]

CAD

[forest ruin]

just curious, does the bot for the intern job posting include remote / work in countries outside of US? I.e. Australia, New Zealand etc

[sullen ridge]

hello! if a company’s recruitment is based in the US but the branch that youll be working at is in Canada, should you be negotiating salaries in USD or CAD?
@stray sentinel this is like, muddy water

hello! if a company’s recruitment is based in the US but the branch that youll be working at is in Canada, should you be negotiating salaries in USD or CAD?
@stray sentinel is this for FT or Intern?

[stray sentinel]

@sullen ridge This was for an internship. It ended up being CAD but with a salary that took into account the USD - CAD conversion rate so that I would end up being paid around the same.

[sullen ridge]

Good to hear! it just super frustrating when the internships are far into the future, and they make you sign a USD contract

only to lower it later

[stray sentinel]

oh god i didnt know that happened to people >:(( thats really snake ://

[brittle mesa]

^happened to a bunch of people for summer, pretty sure for fall almost everyone signed CAD offers(or USD offers to be paid in USD). I was getting paid in USD and CAD dropped by a lot between signing and getting paid 😦

[lethal root]

Anyone gave Amazon OA (India) for FTE 2021 On Campus?

[proud bison]

https://trak.in/tags/business/2020/10/21/h1b-visa-rules-3rd-lawsuite-slapped-against-trump-govt-over-new-h1b-salary-hike-new-rules/ Employers! Assemble!

[candid cliff]

What company is it this time

@proud bison

Doesn’t say

[proud bison]

they are not filling singular companies

they are always filling in groups

it's not 3 institutions that sued them

it's probably like 50-100 already

it's always some companies, some universities, and some other associations

cuz abolishing H1b doesn't screw over only tech, it screws over a lot of industries, including physicians etc

I've seen that those H1b dumb rules may cost employers like $100B in total

[proud bison]

@urban crystal if something as unlawful and harmful as those H1b rules are not struck down by the courts, it means that America turned into completely unlawful Wild West

those rules literally try to bypass the law and are based on incorrect data and facts

and they are not good for anyone but Trump and his reelection chances

[proud bison]

?

[grave ferry]

anyone heard from canadian tire for new grad? They said they would come back today for next steps

[candid cliff]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/10/22/economic-research-exposes-significant-flaws-in-dol-h-1b-visa-rule/amp/#click=https://t.co/gyKdWGTqB0

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-obama-era-immmigration-policies-report

[real root]

Recruiter asked me if I require CPT or not. I do require J-1

is it same thing?

[brittle mesa]

No J-1 is a more involved process, and are on pause rn afaik(unless canadian?)

[real root]

yes canadian

[proud bison]

Trump wants to reform merit-based in 2nd term?

Wtf?

This is not the end of this nightmare?

He wants to do more?

[frosty matrix]

Does anyone know if we can participate in CPT if our H1 is picked? For example, One company is going to sponsor my H1 and file it this coming April and I got one Spring Co-op. Can I do CPT if my H1 is picked in May/June?

[spark merlin]

does fanatics sponsor visa?
@sweet cobalt

Not sure but fwiw, I applied as a junior + international for their SWE internship and they straight up rejected me

[heady lodge]

anyone apply to japan

whats the work culture there like

[brittle mesa]

^depends a lot on company, i know a few people who did internships there, the work culture went from anywhere between typical fun startup to work v long hours

[brittle mesa]

Waterloo's job portal lol

not anymore ig with covid

[heady lodge]

damn you guys get everything at waterloo

just been searching online

[brittle mesa]

lol dw im not in the program, so i dont get access heh

[crimson cosmos]

"Do you have the legal right to work in the country for which you’re applying?*"

what do i say

f1

[twilit spire]

i usually go with yes, and if they have a follow up along the lines of "in the future..." i say yes to that too

[crimson cosmos]

Yea with the follow up it's easy to just say yes to to both.

This was for uber and there was no follow up.

[twilit spire]

Ahh in those situations I just kinda go with yes

[shell ruin]

anyone here from university of totonto

toronto*

[frail terrace]

anyone else got an offer from hubspot
@opal jetty did u get it???

[opal jetty]

@frail terrace yes!! thank you 😊

[frail terrace]

omg congrats!!!

[dawn oasis]

Does yext take internationals (F1) for internships?

[hidden jewel]

yeh they do

[brittle mesa]

ya they sponsor J1 too

[proud bison]

https://thepienews.com/news/us-opt-students-arrested-as-colleges-accused-of-wilful-ignorance/ arrests of OPT holders

1 in 200 OPT holders in trouble

It began.

6 days of hope, then either dreamland or trumpland

[rotund kindle]

I’m being paranoid here but your DSO would probs reach out and ask you to correct info before ICE can take drastic steps like that right ^

[proud bison]

I don't think so

trump just hates us

and they say there will be consequences to DSOs because they didn't make sure that OPTs do everything correctly

[rotund kindle]

Jeez

Do most internationals still want to build a life in the US mostly? I’m going to try to get my company to move me abroad when my STEM OPT runs out but not sure if most people still wanna stay here

[lofty siren]

Depending on if trump gets elected or not I guess

In general tho the environment is hostile

[lethal wing]

@lofty siren amazon told you that you could convert summer into winter?

[lofty siren]

Yeah

[lethal wing]

So you just accepted the offer and they will send you a timeline starting from winter?

[lofty siren]

No they’re saying they’re generating the offer letter for me

Actually idk I should accept the summer offer I should ask them

[lethal wing]

Okay have they given you the letter now?

[lofty siren]

No

[lethal wing]

and they didn’t tell you after how many days they would give you the letter?

[lofty siren]

They said it’s gonna be this Monday, didn’t come, send them an email and they say it’s gonna come next Monday lmao

Bro am I getting played

[lethal wing]

Not sure tho. My recruiter told me to wait until the end of the week to get a decision if they could convert it or not

maybe there is still hope for me

[lofty siren]

Interesting cause they even asked me to select a start date

And confirmed on the date I picked

Just no letter yet

[lethal wing]

maybe I am too late

[lofty siren]

Not rlly bro I don’t think anyone has heard back from their public winter application

They probably want to convert ppl first

[lethal wing]

Yeah that is weird

[lofty siren]

When’s ur offer deadline

[lethal wing]

Nov 12th

This is my only hope

[lofty siren]

Mine is this Sunday

[lethal wing]

great so they are kind of efficient then

[lofty siren]

Customer obsession lmao

[lethal wing]

If amazon don’t want me, I am done

[lofty siren]

Dude they’re gonna take u

No way they’re gonna say no

[lethal wing]

Hope so.

I can do anything

[lofty siren]

If their public app is open that means there’s plenty of slots

[lethal wing]

Yeah that is weird if they have a spot and no hc

[lofty siren]

Yeah exactly

[lethal wing]

Isn’t it really a waste of everyone’s time?

let’s hope amazon is not playing everyone

[lofty siren]

Amazon doesn’t play u during recruiting

They f with u after u get the job by pipping u

[lethal wing]

I can do with pip tho

I will apply to other companies after getting experiences anyway

👀 initial experiences are tough to get

[lofty siren]

Yeah I guess I don’t rlly want to work at Amazon full time tbh

[lethal wing]

😆 me neither

I just wanna make my resume look nicer

[lofty siren]

At least it’s a FAANG

[lethal wing]

True at least it is FAANG

[glacial laurel]

its not the faang ur thinking

@lethal wing ur at hrt u dont need amazon lol

[lethal wing]

I think I do

Since I am poor at C++, I guess hrt wont give me return

struggling with writing memory management using C this semester. I dont think I can survive hrt intern next summer 😦

[lofty siren]

C++ memory management isn’t as annoying as C lol

Smart pointers take care of the most

[lethal wing]

interesting...gained a little bit confidence now 🙂

[tawny vault]

Hey guys, is there a website to check if a company sponsors F-1 STEM OPT, or is there a database that contains all the companies that hire international students?

[proud bison]

Honestly it may change dramatically now who hires intls

so I don't think there is any way to know

[fresh fulcrum]

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/28/dhs-trump-administration-protect-american-jobs-unfair-international-competition

Yooo

[fresh fulcrum]

Ohh that makes sense I suppose

But still some industries might be screwed

Ngl I’m not really informed about the whole h-1b process

I just cane across the article and thought I should share

[proud bison]

@fresh fulcrum wait that looks good
@copper plinth Looks good? It's a disaster, instead of increasing the number of H1bs, they just cut all the opportunities for new grads

If they increased number of available H1bs to say 130k, and implemented wage-rank-based H1b as Biden wanted to do, it would be great

I think Google pays only like $110k to new grads, there is no way that's top 60k H1b in the whole country

[brittle mesa]

If this passes and getting paid 140-150k guarantees a h1b I might actually take a us job then

Should probably start applying then

[proud bison]

Honeslty I don't think any rankings will be necessary if those 2 dumb rules are implemented

*are not struck down in court (cuz they are already implemented lol)

Because less than 85k would be eligible

so no lottery anyway

So either they expect those dumb rules to be struck down and ranking is their backup or this ranking rule is another populistic rule just to please Trump base who don't understand H1b

oh you mean less than 85k applicants?
@copper plinth yes

there are like 200k H1b applications rn, a big percentage of which is denied, there is no way there will be more than 85k eligible H1b applicants with those 2 new rules

I've seen an article where some dumb DHS person said that those H1b rules are "just the beginning of Trump's 2nd term" (:

he said there is much more to reform in terms of work visas

they are probably preparing something for OPT

removal of D/S status for intl students is probably the first step to reduce OPT because now DHS will be able to deny OPT to people

[brittle mesa]

Yep agreed, if the min wage rule isn't removed, H1B becomes a lot more difficult but deterministic

[proud bison]

I mean it will become deterministic anyway

even if Biden wins

he also said he was going to implement wage-rank-based system

but, as opposed to Trump, also increase the number of H1bs to like 130k

so basically everyone who applies for H1b now that is not employed by WITCH would be eligible for H1b

[brittle mesa]

Yep that'd be ideal

[proud bison]

yeah that's an actual solution to the issues Trump claims to try to solve

but in fact he just uses those issues as a excuse for his xenophobic policies

[brittle mesa]

Well I assume we're all hoping Biden wins

But I personally think it's more likely he'd go back to the old system atleast for next year

[proud bison]

that would be amazing honestly

old system was stressful and bad for us

but at least

there was a hope

in Trump system there is not even a hope

[brittle mesa]

Agreed, most jobs are disqualified right now if i am not wrong

Ig atleast with lottery you can try and it's ~30%

[proud bison]

yeah, I think that's why Big Tech negotiated 3 years of STEM OPT with DHS

because statistically everyone has a chance of getting H1b if they apply 3 times

and worst case, if a big tech company really liked the person in those 3 years, they may find some other way to get that person (get them into Canada for 1 year and bring on L1 or something)

[brittle mesa]

yeah, but that's when it sucks when you don't end up getting it in 3

Yepp, for me moving to the US is more of a green card issue than a h1b/l1 issue

because it's going to be a loooooooooong wait if i do that lol

[proud bison]

yeah but honestly I think they will get rid of 7% cap soon

like even if Trump wins

in 2024 someone else will take over

and at some point democrats will take over again

and they are really pushing towards removing 7% cap

you can defintely expect that with Kamala

[brittle mesa]

That'd be ideal because then you can actually consider living there, or else you run on a visa cycle forever

i'm kinda tired of applying for visas now, have to get a new passport because i dont have any more pages

[proud bison]

dang haha

how many visas do you have lol

That'd be ideal because then you can actually consider living there, or else you run on a visa cycle forever
@brittle mesa I mean removing 7% will not work like a miracle

probably everyone would need to wait like 10 years for a green card or sth

but at least Indians wouldnt need to wait 120 years

[brittle mesa]

Yepp but the current estimates are 80 years if I apply 2-3 years for now

Exactly lmao

[proud bison]

it really sucks

cuz the current merit-based immigration system

is more like getting American dream for your children or for your retirement

lol

[opal jetty]

how is removing 7% fair to everyone else

[brittle mesa]

It's not, which is why i'm hoping it's more of a merit based system

[opal jetty]

yeah sth like canada’s system where you get points for studying and working in the US

merit-based using salary would work too

[brittle mesa]

raw salary or salary in field like h1b?

doing raw means that non tech/finance would hardly ever get it 😦

[opal jetty]

salary in field

idt raw would make sense

well merit-based would still mean that most ppl who get gcs are indians

as is the case in canada and australia

[brittle mesa]

canada's system is great but it kinda hurts me that you can work in another country for 2-3 years and come directly on a pr, while i study here for 5 years and and still have to work for 1.5 more 😛

[opal jetty]

since there r more ppl from india than any other country trying to immigrate

idk i don’t think there’s a solution if you want skills + diversity

imagine if the country cap goes away and china or india has some political problems and everyone decides to immigrate to the US

[brittle mesa]

so like....rn?

[opal jetty]

nah chinese don’t immigrate as much

their economy is strong

and the tech jobs pay well

there should be a cap with merit-based but not like 7%

[proud bison]

I mean honestly I don't really see a point of the cap

I obviously would prefer if the cap stayed because it favors me lol

but don't see how the cap is fair

why does it matter where are you coming from

everyone is an immigrant

[cunning umbra]

Hey guys, I'm seeing alot of internship positions are requiring you to be a gc holder or us citizen

So are companies not hiring people on cpt and opt anymore?

Would he change the executive action?

[brittle mesa]

@cunning umbra can you link one of those?

[cunning umbra]

In the intern postings@brittle mesa

Nah I was asking if Biden wins, will he change the executive action

Biden will win tho right

I mean almost every poll shows that even the betting polls which have been historically right most of the time

[lethal wing]

i think trump will win...

yeah we will see...

[cunning umbra]

Btw there were no changes to opt

[opal jetty]

but don't see how the cap is fair
@proud bison doesn’t matter if the cap is fair or not, only if it benefits the US

[lofty siren]

Doesn’t matter if it benefits the US, as long as trump supporters are happy

[median hare]

Electoral college makes you not trust in polls

[proud bison]

honestly the whole election just depends on Pennsylvania

[lethal wing]

Why

[cunning umbra]

bc they'll count mail-in ballots received up to three days after the election

[lofty siren]

I can’t even imagine if trump gets re-elected

Cause I’ve built my entire future on the assumption that the president of the US is like not crazy

[fluid lion]

yah trump isn't the problem

5 whys

visas will get fucked?
why
cause it's trumps campaign promise to increase jobs for americans
why
cause americans are so gullible as to believe immigrants are stealing jobs instead of growing jobs
why
cause american education is very hit-or-miss

trump voters will stay trump voters

[proud bison]

Why
@lethal wing because if Biden wins Pennsylvania, he wins the election

it's super unlikely that if Biden wins Pennsylvania, he could lose Wisconsin or Michigan

But it's possible that he wins Wisconsin and Michigan but not Pennsylvania, and then he is fried

unless he wins Arizona

which is much less likely

[quick herald]

Is it worth applying for google CTR position? Can anybody tell in detail what we get to do during the program and will it be converted to fulltime position?

[obsidian ridge]

@quick herald I am also wondering the same. I completed the final round interview though.

[quick herald]

@obsidian ridge How was the interview?

[young moth]

I sent an email to my department chair asking her to sign an independent study document so that I could get CPT for my internship

That was two days ago and she hasn’t replied, which makes me think I probably did something wrong

Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned that I needed it for my internship.

[brittle mesa]

Wouldn't they have to know that?

[young moth]

I don’t know

[brittle mesa]

Ahh ok, I think the best you can do now is probably wait till next week

[young moth]

I hope she doesn’t see me negatively and refuses to sign the document

[young moth]

But it's possible that he wins Wisconsin and Michigan but not Pennsylvania, and then he is fried
@proud bison https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-election-map/#PA:1,WI:0,MI:0

Gosh, PA matters a lot

Florida matters a lot too, though https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-election-map/#FL:0,PA:1

[livid glacier]

true, but if florida goes blue it's practically over

[young moth]

But Biden’s more likely to win PA than FL

[livid glacier]

Yeah as long as he grabs one of them I think he wins

assuming michigan/wisc/arizona stay blue

[young moth]

Does anyone else here refresh this page https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ every 5 seconds

[proud bison]

assuming michigan/wisc/arizona stay blue
@livid glacier "stay blue"?

they were not blue last time

also if Biden wins Michigan, Wisconsin, AND Arizona then it's most likely over

but it's unlikely he wins Arizona

[young moth]

They're all blue in the FiveThirtyEight snake chart

[proud bison]

Does anyone else here refresh this page https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ every 5 seconds
@young moth I refresh 100 pages every 5 secs

[young moth]

Relatable

[livid glacier]

from pre-emptive polls this year i mean

[proud bison]

oh yeah, but polls are trash

[livid glacier]

yeah true lol

[proud bison]

they all skew blue heavily

if a poll says Biden is only +3, he probably loses there

[young moth]

Actually, in the long-term polls haven't skewed either blue or red

[livid glacier]

last election they skewed blue

[young moth]

There's no consistent pattern

Yeah, but in other elections they skewed red

[livid glacier]

but yea overall i don't think its super skewed

[young moth]

Pollsters learn from their mistakes and compensate for them

This year they've been very careful not to commit the same mistakes they did in 2016

[livid glacier]

I also think there's less policy to be on the fence about this year

in 2016 a lot of on the fence voters went trump last minute

[young moth]

Yeah

[livid glacier]

because they werent really sure

[young moth]

Also, there were a lot more on-the-fence voters in 2016 than there are now

[livid glacier]

but I think this year it's more or less clear what candidate policies are

yeah exactly

but I mean only election night will tell

[young moth]

Yeah

Polls actually weren't unusually bad in 2016 https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/

[proud bison]

You also need to remember that Trump is a cheater

his whole propaganda about rigged election is to rig elections by himself

he tells republicans not to vote by mail so that majority of democrats vote by mail so then if they discard some big part of mail-in ballots, they will discard democrats, not republicans

he was hoping to do it with the new supreme justice, fortunately, she said she will not participate in the case because she didn't have enough time to familiarize herself with the case

[young moth]

yeah

But it's unclear that discarding mail-in ballots will hurt Democrats

Democrats have been more diligent at returning their ballots early

So they may also be more diligent at following all the rules correctly

And mail-in ballots that arrive early at e.g. Pennsylvania are more likely to be Biden votes than ballots that arrive later

So I'm not that concerned about that Pennsylvania case

[proud bison]

Also note what the hell is going on here in Philadelphia now which is almost the only county in Pennsylvania that Biden wins

there are riots every day now

it's dangerous

national guard is being sent today

people cannot go outside

I'm afraid that this may win Trump re-election

and these are not even Trump supporters who cause it

and some people are scared that Trump supporters may come here to disrupt elections on Tuesday

it's very concerning what is going on and doesn't resemble democracy

[young moth]

and some people are scared that Trump supporters may come here to disrupt elections on Tuesday
@proud bison Good thing 1.4 million Democrats have already voted in PA https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/PA.html

Only 1/3 of the number of people who voted in 2016 there have voted by now, though

Sort of strange

Texas has already surpassed 2016 numbers

So I'm not that concerned about that Pennsylvania case
@young moth Nevermind, I am https://twitter.com/JustinSandefur/status/1321914027640049667

Justin Sandefur (@JustinSandefur)

The pressure to shut down the PA vote count is going to be insane.

Even if the 538 forecast for PA proves accurate (Biden +5), given partisan disparities in mail-in voting, Trump could hold a 16 POINT lead by the end of Tue night.

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[lofty siren]

Lmao

Canada seizing the chance

[proud bison]

Trump 2020 Make Canada Great Again

*for the first time

@proud bison Good thing 1.4 million Democrats have already voted in PA https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/PA.html
@young moth doesn't matter too much because the win could be by like 10k votes and it will be enough to be caused by vote suppression on the election day

[heavy vapor]

Applied to JP Morgan, Vanguard and T. Row Price and got the rejection within a day. Could it be because they don’t sponsor students? I’m applying for new grad positions starting May 2021

[dusky breach]

JP Morgan and Vanguard doesn't sponsor. So yeah, that might be the case.

[lethal root]

Has anybody taken Oracle India's Online Test for MTS position??

[gilded patio]

Uhmm do you guys know where can we apply for Canada internships position if we are studying in the US?

[small flame]

If Biden wins, he promised for PhD graduates with direct green card

[gilded patio]

@urban crystal Thanks but I also have a few more questions: Is it easier to get an intern in Canada than the US? If so, where can I search for them and apply (like just LinkedIn, Glassdoor, etc..)?

@urban crystal lol sr i am too noob for this.

@urban crystal oh I am a sophomore now and I am looking for interships

[proud bison]

are you asking about Canada because it's hard to find an internship in the US? @gilded patio

I don't think you will have an easier time finding an internship in other places honestly

[gilded patio]

@proud bison Sadly, yes. I am afraid of all these pandemics and politics and everything.

[proud bison]

@gilded patio just keep looking, honestly, and as you get closer to the summer, lower your standards

[gilded patio]

@urban crystal lol I am an international

[proud bison]

I got like 15 offers in mid-May as an international sophomore because I lowered standards

and during corona

most of them were unpaid

but it's always something

after I lost my internship

[gilded patio]

I also lower a lot. Not to the unpaid but 12$/hour with really small companies (10 people) but still have heard nothing

Yes, especially I have just switched majors.

@urban crystal Yes I am in the US.

I stayed when most my friends come back home cause I hope to land an intern in the summer

[proud bison]

it's november

I got a lot of internships in mid may

with start dates in like 2 weeks

don't worry too much

most small companies didnt start hiring yet

honestly you could even end up working for a startup that doesnt exist yet/didnt get funded yet lol

[gilded patio]

I really dont hope to get into big tech yet. And I really dont want since I want to start somewhere moreof my level.

Haha yeah I will try to be more persistent

It is just those applications are endless and I don't know when I can get out

Oh do you mean resume?

@urban crystal I ib you mine