#2021_grads

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whole yoke
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4 offers that he said yes to

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I was making fun of him for accepting 4 offers

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but in the end he was safe so yeah!

vocal carbon
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this guy got:
nope we cant do internship anymore

he was like ok how about we do fall or something?
them: sure if you apply them we will look out for your resume

whole yoke
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lolllllll

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burn

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Does anyone know what the hell is HRT and Jane street looking for in a resume????

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I have been ghosted by them since long

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does* (not is)

vocal carbon
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lol i got a hrt coding challenge once, got 100% still got resume screened

whole yoke
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damn congrats mate

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getting a hrt test is tough

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jane street anyone?

tawdry herald
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Thoughts on amazon vs Bloomberg?

whole yoke
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bloomberg nyc?

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amazon location?

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damn. i need to submit a homework in an hour

tawdry herald
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Bb Nyc, amazon Seattle

whole yoke
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and I havent started

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bb nyc

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nyc is a great city

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I have got a full time offer for a company in seattle

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and I'm not super happy about it

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seattle weather is kinda gloomy

vocal carbon
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isnt seattle supposedly trash for social life

whole yoke
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seattle is crappp for social life

tawdry herald
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Since we start mid/late next year, probably still a lot of stuff canceled due to covid.

vocal carbon
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dude i have to write a 5 min paragraph, have been procrastinating for so long now

safe forge
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NYC has some seriously low prices for housing right now. My apartment is offering luxury studios for $2k/mo right now with 2 months free

whole yoke
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like - seattle< sfo< chicago ~ austin < nyc

vocal carbon
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and now it's 4 am and i dont wanna do it

whole yoke
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5 min paragraph

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is too chill

safe forge
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It’s a great time to get an apartment

whole yoke
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I need to do ducking transfer learning in 1 hour

tawdry herald
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I wouldn't start till August

safe forge
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I have faith that the US will continue to duck up

worthy spear
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I just want to be in a state that is never cold lol

vocal carbon
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ya it's due at 5 so I think i'll do it in a bit lol

whole yoke
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lol

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go to florida then

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@worthy spear

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ok bye everyone. need to start working on my ducking homework

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58 minutes remaining on gradescope. fml.

vocal carbon
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gl

tawdry herald
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Is it worth giving up Amazon clout to live in nyc 🤔

short star
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anyone interview with oracle?

dark jewel
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amazon has a new york office

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why not both

vocal carbon
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i swear the only people ik who liked seattle are the ones who never leave home anyway

dark jewel
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interesting. most people like seattle because they like nature

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easily one of the prettiest places in the country

vocal carbon
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ahh yes that too, sry I forgot

dark jewel
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people who never leave home and people who love nature seem pretty mutually exclusive

vocal carbon
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lool maybe seattle is the place to be then

dark jewel
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idk how much clout amazon gets you either. I've got it on mine and I'm still getting resume rejected everywhere

dusk linden
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does anyone have a "Routed to Recruiter" status with Microsoft, since a month now..and has received no follow up on the same?

vocal carbon
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^yep

uneven pasture
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^^ same : ' )

digital carbon
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Is it worth giving up Amazon clout to live in nyc 🤔
@tawdry herald it's not like BB doesn't have clout, it's not gonna close doors for you

ebon belfry
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yeah idk if amazon has clout really

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plus BB in nyc would be dope

digital carbon
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well amazon has clout, but idk if that should really be a factor when comparing to BB lol

autumn lynx
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BB is so much harder to get than Amazon tho

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isnt that accounted for in clout?

ebon belfry
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i would look at WLB too, amazon has negative clout there. idk about BB

tawdry herald
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Tbh I'm willing to suffer worse wlb if it'd make easier to switch to a better company later

dark jewel
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BB has daily free soup breaks

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amazon has free bananas

tawdry herald
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Lol what

dark jewel
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soup > bananas

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which on

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one

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theres 3

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bloomberg only has 2 soup stations

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3 > 2

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QED

autumn lynx
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banana soup >

dark jewel
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nah, that's too innovative for bloomberg. Once you start doing that kinda stuff, Citadel gonna poach you

digital carbon
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isnt that accounted for in clout?
@autumn lynx the truth is all this "clout" is artificially created by college students. if you ask someone who has some experience in industry whether BB or Amazon has more clout, they'll just be like "who cares, both have solid engineers who are solving interesting and difficult problems"

dark jewel
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i think clout is a meme, but jumping between companies is a valid concern. The types of problems you'll encounter at BB are different from what you'll see at amazon

digital carbon
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yea for sure

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also the soup is a meme lmao

dark jewel
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Amazon is likely easier into other traditional tech, while BB is likely better for fintch

digital carbon
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half the time it's not worth it

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but when it's good, it's good

dark jewel
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theres a reason doordash loves poaching uber employees

digital carbon
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yea agreed

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it's very doable to move into tech tech from BB too though. I believe a large part of the google nyc office is ex-BB because it's the easiest place to poach cpp devs from

fleet niche
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For BB final/onsite, does anyone know if you have 2 or just 1 interviewer per tech round?

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@eager glacier Haha youre right, I'm prob stressing too much

uneven pasture
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@fleet niche usually just 1 interviewer unless someone is shadowing or something i think, but everyone i've talked to only had 1

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go get some rest and gl 🙂

silver owl
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For BB final/onsite, does anyone know if you have 2 or just 1 interviewer per tech round?
@fleet niche i had 1 interviewer per round

worthy spear
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has anyone done Amazon OA3 recently? For the last module, did you say the bug was a fluke?

autumn lynx
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what bug was it again?

worthy spear
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it asked you to look at the request logs

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but there was a case where that wasn't true

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930...711

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it had an imbalance, but it wasn't reported as an error :/

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did you get follow-ups after making that selection? my thing just abruptly ended after I said it was a fluke @rain rose

rain rose
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don't remember

worthy spear
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ah okay

rain rose
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have you heard back yet?

worthy spear
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I JUST finished it

rain rose
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lmao

worthy spear
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someone confirm there were no follow-up questions after you identified the issue 😫

autumn lynx
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oh i think it was because there were more reviews than stars right?

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or something

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nah nothing after that

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im p sure

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relax

worthy spear
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okay lmao

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did you hear back?

autumn lynx
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yeah i got the final email yesterday

worthy spear
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is it the 30min one?

autumn lynx
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yeah the 30 min

rain rose
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nice, you're set

worthy spear
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nice!! you basically have an offer

rain rose
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how did you do on the other oa's?

autumn lynx
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nah nah i dont believe in that voodoo shi

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shit

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i had 30 min last year for internship and i got rejected

worthy spear
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4/7 on debuggin, 2/2 coding problems

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oh damn study up on the principles!

autumn lynx
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i did 3/7 on debugging everything on coding

worthy spear
autumn lynx
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nah i had a leet code problem on my final last year

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p hard

worthy spear
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oh really, thought it was just a behaviorial

autumn lynx
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nah thats what im saying

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its random

worthy spear
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o shit

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I would browse the leetcode forums then

autumn lynx
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im just gonna be safe and do a bunch of amazon leetcode problems

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plus review my OA and LP

worthy spear
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that sounds like a good plan

autumn lynx
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yea i also heard back 5 days after taking OA 3 so look out for something next week hopefully

worthy spear
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did a recruiter reach out or was it an automated email?

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how long does Amazon give to accept an offer?

tired bay
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Internship is different they only do 30 minute interviews getting the 30 minute for new grad is def a leg up but yeah nothing guaranteed

autumn lynx
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it was automated but it "came" from a recruiter

rain rose
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oh yea if your 30 minute rejection was for intern thats way different

tired bay
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Offer for Amazon I think they just transitioned to Dec. 1st deadlines I got my offer beginning October was given till Nov. 1st to accept

autumn lynx
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wouldn't full time be harder lol

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also p sure they can do whatever they want in an interview

tired bay
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The 30 minute is expected to be go over OA2 but yeah I’m sure curveballs can happen

autumn lynx
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are u sure? i feel like thats the exception to people getting a LC problem

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like no way they hire everyone off of reviewing OA2

tired bay
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Some like me get 3 hour interview

autumn lynx
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howd you do on the OA?

tired bay
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Getting 30 minute is like you are in top percentage of OAs so u get advantage so would def try to remember what u did on OA2 and brush up on some LC

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Like 2.5/7 Like 75% test cases not that great

fiery flare
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i've heard mixed about amazon final

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i had lc last year

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my friend had debug some java code and he forgot java lmao

tired bay
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For new grad?

fiery flare
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i've read about debugging your own OA though too

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nah sorry i meant intern

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i thought he was talking about his last year intern

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oh word just read more

tired bay
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Lol we sorta were np

fiery flare
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my b

autumn lynx
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hm i guess yea that makes sense. guess it doesn't hurt to overprepare tho

tired bay
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Yeah intern different cause they just give everyone same time interview new grad is 2 separate categories coming out of OAs

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No yeah def overprepare just make sure OA2 is part of preparation

fiery flare
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is amazon hiring bar higher this year

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or for new grad

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i know they change their process a bit every year

sharp lichen
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I think they hire a lot every year

tired bay
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OA2 had a harder test bank imo but still plenty of offers going out

fiery flare
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i see

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yea they growing like mad

sharp lichen
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there's not really a good way for us to compare between years unless you interviewed both times

fiery flare
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true

autumn lynx
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i think my OA1 was harder this year

tired bay
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OA1 was exponentially harder than last year 🤣

autumn lynx
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oh yeah

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fs

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i was taking it chill

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and got fucked

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has anyone gotten rejected after the 30 min interview?

dark jewel
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it's possible, but the only way you get rejected is if you clearly cheated on your OA3 or you say something blatantly offensive

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a bar raiser told me that the 30 min calls are typically designed for them to sell you on the company because at that point you already have the offer

autumn lynx
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what happens if you forgot your implementation for OA2 lol

dark jewel
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you don't need to remember it, you should be able to read and understand what you did though

autumn lynx
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that seems chill.

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thanks @dark jewel

sharp lichen
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@autumn lynx he didn't give me my solution

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and didn't give me the question until 3 minutes of me trying to remember what it was

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he still seemed pretty chill about it tho

autumn lynx
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oh what lol. he asked you if you remember what questions you had?

sharp lichen
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yea

autumn lynx
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u end up getting the offer?

tepid sky
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anyone have bloomberg new grad phone interview yet?

sharp lichen
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yes @autumn lynx

queen burrow
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@tepid sky I have

rocky spoke
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anyone have any good refresher SQL resources that are good for cramming in a day?

normal tide
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hackerrank has a decent set of problems that you can practice

stark otter
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someone from neeva viewed my linkedin so it might not be a waste doing the damn take home OA

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lets see

barren iris
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can you know who/which company viewed your profile from free linkedin account?

copper fractal
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Only if they don't have private viewing on I think

sturdy otter
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I just got a text from some number saying "Hi, my name is Sid Golliher and I'm a software engineer at L3Harris Technologies. Would you have time tomorrow to do a phone screen interview?"

I actually applied to L3 a while back but I was rejected..
Is this real?
Do people normally get texted like this to do phone screens?

wind acorn
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that's so unprofessional what the

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texting a candidate to schedule a phone screen

sturdy otter
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yea I'm thinking it's like some kind of scam or something?
but why would a scammer ask to call me

wind acorn
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not to mention it's a swe not the recruiter

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wtf

tired bay
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Lol I mean if u put it on the application I’m sure it could happen but interesting

tight marlin
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I've been texted once from a local company, it was weird and unexpected though

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didn't imagine l3 doing that

sturdy otter
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well I guess it couldn't hurt to see if it's real

tight marlin
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gl and be safe with it, I've been scammed by one job already this season

sturdy otter
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ty I will

ebon belfry
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Fwiw I’ve been texted by my VMware and Intuit recruiters

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And it’s been perfectly fine

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No scam

sturdy otter
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oh phew

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that's good

vocal carbon
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I've been texted by a Canadian big bank before

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Was not scam

lament niche
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i did l3harris interviews and it was all scheduled through text for some reason (although it was through recruiter)

mystic mica
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a bar raiser told me that the 30 min calls are typically designed for them to sell you on the company because at that point you already have the offer
@dark jewel lol this low key saddens me, knowing that I did well on oa1/2 and probably would have gotten the 30 min but maybe my oa3 dicked me

rocky spoke
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anyone here passed palantir onsite?

orchid ibex
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@sturdy otter I would tell him or her to reach out via email

sturdy otter
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I already spoke with him through text and scheduled a call tomorrow
but it seems like if I pass the phone screen the rest of the process will be through email
ig the phone screen portion is just really informal?
seems legit so far

whole yoke
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Anyone gave the Google Cloud Technical Residency? Pls pm !!! Thank you.

stark otter
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I just had a call with BB hr and she asked me to apply to the post

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damn it

uneven pasture
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@eager glacier mine was kinda design, though bloomberg never has u run ur code lol

stark otter
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i was hoping they would skip a round or two since the HR reached out

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@uneven pasture i will get the link to schedule my phone round soon

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how long shd i take

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2 weeks?

uneven pasture
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huh

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for bloomberg?

stark otter
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yeah

uneven pasture
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like when to schedule your phone?

stark otter
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i talked to an HR today

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yeah

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i have been doing general leet code but not interview ready

uneven pasture
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o shit yeah definitely prepare your resume, i think most people talk about a project or some shit from there for like 20 mins or so

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10-20 mins

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but i was also asked to design something

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like

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"given this function and this business feature, how would you implement this"

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can expand in pm

stark otter
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if possible, i could use some guidance as well

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wow i texted just like when I am talking to an HR

uneven pasture
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for full time i have no idea if/when they'll fill up, but what i've seen for interviews is that there's either some design based question (can't leetcode, usually it just involves fancy map/list solutions) and then there's stuff with linkedlists/lists/arrays and stuff

stark otter
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yeah

uneven pasture
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last year for an internship (i failed completely) i got a circularly linked list question lmao

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that was gg

stark otter
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oh

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detect if LL is circular?

uneven pasture
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who asks about a damn circularly linked list

stark otter
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fast pointer slow pointer

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ooo

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lmao

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my friend was asked this!

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he got full time

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they ask the same questions

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hopefully they arent shadowing here

queen burrow
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@uneven pasture Can I dm you about the design round as well?

uneven pasture
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yup feel free

crude pivot
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anyone here done qualtrics interview?

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for sde

sturdy otter
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bouta do my phone screen in an hour and a half :/

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@crude pivot

crude pivot
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is it for sde or sdet

sturdy otter
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sde

mortal stirrup
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is it a red flag that I completely bombed my first technical round (leetcode medium) but they still reached out for a second round?
@jaunty oyster You prob didnt bomb as bad as you thought

tepid sky
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does anyone know if i could still get oa2 review in amazon 30 min final if i didnt pass all cases on 1 question

vocal carbon
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Sry people have probs asked a lot, but how hard is bloomberg phone?

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and what's the process?

uneven pasture
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bloomberg phone is usually leetcode medium ish, 1-2 questions

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process is usually 2 tech interviews + 1 engineering manager interview + 1 hr interview

vocal carbon
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Perfect, thanks!

uneven pasture
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i personally had phone before 2 tech interviews, but most people only have 2 tech interviews

vocal carbon
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i have phone too

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phone is a 40-60 min tech interview

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atleast thats what the email says

blissful adder
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@vocal carbon when is your phone schedule for

vocal carbon
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im scheduling rn

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earliest option is nov 5

blissful adder
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are you gonna do it that soon?

vocal carbon
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ya

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bigger issue is i accidentally applied to new york

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instead of london lmao

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gg

barren flax
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Has anyone interviewed with datadog?

blissful adder
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youre no good to work in ny?

arctic drift
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just email your recruiter

blissful adder
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^

vocal carbon
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yeah should be fine
no i go to school in canada so it'd have to be h1b and that's a bitch lol

wary basin
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Did anyone interview for Oracle - Software Engineer OCI position?

wind acorn
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wth

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hubspot just rescinded my offer

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apparently headcount changed yesterday

tired bay
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Tf

wind acorn
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-_-

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why is this season like this

tired bay
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Was that your only or first choice?

blissful adder
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thats beat as hell

wind acorn
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luckily I have alternatives but I liked the company so I'm sad it ended this way

tired bay
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Yeah true that for sure that’s a bad look

wind acorn
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yeah for sure

autumn lynx
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even more reason to start reneging companies

wind acorn
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even my recruiter was like "this is the first time this has happened"

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yeah ikr

queen burrow
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When a company says deadline is MM/DD, is the deadline MM/DD-end of work day or the day before MM/DD?

digital carbon
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EOD that day

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like that is your last day to let them know

forest scarab
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anyone else still waiting to be scheduled for roblox?

cursive loom
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who is winnign this hard

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ez recurring bonus

rain rose
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dont think thats real

cursive loom
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p sure its an extra 0

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but still

warped pendant
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thats real ^ I didn't mean to put 1750k lol

cursive loom
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nah bro

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u have a 1 million in google stock

digital carbon
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well it's including 401k match

cursive loom
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ez

digital carbon
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idk about G but BB gives roughly 8k in match

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so if you subtract that much, seems reasonable

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oh the extra zero lmaoo

warped pendant
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had some negotiation rounds with G and FB

stark otter
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god damn boy you cleared G and F ?

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GGWP

digital carbon
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did you go back and forth between them?

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like get them to bid against each other lol

stark otter
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play them like they play us ?

worthy spear
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lol they wont bid against each other most places do 1 negotiation round and 1 only

stark otter
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yeah true

warped pendant
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Yeah I went 2 rounds Google 1 round with FB

digital carbon
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yea ik but they said "some negotiation rounds" implying multiple right

wind acorn
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wait @warped pendant you did have an extra 0 right

stark otter
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my friend tried negotiating with no other offers and they went underground with communication for 4 days

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he was shit scared

wind acorn
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you didn't get 2mil in stocks vested over 4 years

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right

stark otter
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hahaha

hallow heath
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Has any one interviewed with doordash?

wind acorn
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??? lol

digital carbon
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Yeah I went 2 rounds Google 1 round with FB
@warped pendant niceee

warped pendant
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LOL no its 175k stock over 4 years!

digital carbon
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can you teach us your ways

stark otter
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yeah man drop your profile or something

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how do you prep for interviews

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🤔

digital carbon
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no not that, like how to negotiate that well lol

warped pendant
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MrVoid on Youtube haha

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I do SWE and investing tips!

stark otter
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oohoo

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okay subscribed

autumn lynx
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how tf do u get 175k in stocks

warped pendant
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FB exceeds offer is 160k and I asked google to match and then beat. (long story short)

stark otter
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fair

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okay time to binge this dude's vids

autumn lynx
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i thought like 30-50k is normal

digital carbon
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@warped pendant the thumbnails on the videos are hilariously clickbait but I subbed lol

stark otter
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get that breadddd

tired bay
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@autumn lynx Big Tech is more than that

warped pendant
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Love to see the support, thanks friends 🙂
Also very clickbait haha, but no ads and trying to help everyone get that bread

stark otter
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yup yup

sharp lichen
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@warped pendant did you decide to choose G or F?

stark otter
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appreaciate the exp

sharp lichen
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and what team? :0

autumn lynx
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@autumn lynx Big Tech is more than that
@tired bay not amazon right

tired bay
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Amazon 84k for Seattle but most given in year 3 and 4

copper fractal
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Msoft do 30 mins?

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I thought that was Amz

normal tide
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Has anyone interviewed for Cisco New Grad SDE role?

tired bay
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I mean first phone for MSFT is 30

warped pendant
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@sharp lichen I chose G because higher offer and Ill be working on Android Auto

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one of the benefits is a free car too ;o (while I work for them)

digital carbon
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wait fr

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?

warped pendant
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yeah, its to test your code but they let everyone check them out on a monthly basis

digital carbon
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that's dope haha

urban hemlock
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umm so did google open or something

warped pendant
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I interned with both ^

urban hemlock
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gotcha

ornate charm
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Has anyone interviewed for Cisco New Grad SDE role?
@normal tide think they froze hiring

normal tide
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@normal tide think they froze hiring
@ornate charm I just got an invite for first round of interview. so i just wanted to know lol

rugged heart
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@ornate charm I just got an invite for first round of interview. so i just wanted to know lol
@normal tide I got for second round

tired bay
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Lol we probs like all did that OA in early August and got ghosted

normal tide
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@normal tide I got for second round
@rugged heart are you done with your first round?

rugged heart
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Yeah i thought it was done but after 3 weeks I get another email

ornate charm
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anyone know How long does Microsoft take to get back after 30min first round interview

visual fable
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anybody take The Trade Desk OA before? I can see it's on HackerRank and has the title "Set-Associative Cache Optimization" I could be dumb but as a new grad position, that is not a problem I've ever come across so I have no idea how I'm going to solve it

digital carbon
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anybody take The Trade Desk OA before? I can see it's on HackerRank and has the title "Set-Associative Cache Optimization" I could be dumb but as a new grad position, that is not a problem I've ever come across so I have no idea how I'm going to solve it
@visual fable it sounds fancy but set-associative caches are conceptually simple

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instead of a cache where you directly map memory addresses to the data they hold

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you have buckets. to figure out which bucket an address belongs in, you hash it by some function. once you know the bucket, you can iterate through it to know what addresses are cached in that bucket

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it's kinda like how hashmaps work

worthy spear
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just signed my MSFT offer 🥳

visual fable
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@digital carbon Thanks, I"ll look more into it.

digital carbon
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idk what exactly they'd ask you to optimize about them tho, hope it's not too bad lol

stark otter
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Is bloomberg first come first serve, I have to decide a date between 9th, 11th, 13th Nov

ebon belfry
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i am more biased to scheduling asap

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from my experience

stark otter
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i was thinking 11th, 2 weeks from now

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will grind all BB lc problems

autumn lynx
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are they all the same week?

stark otter
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yeah

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mon, wed, fri

autumn lynx
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then i think it doesnt matter

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do friday

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if u need more time

stark otter
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nah wed shd be fine

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14 days

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i have some practice

autumn lynx
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i think they give offers at the end of the week

stark otter
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lol this is just phone round

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next rounds take 2 weeks more

autumn lynx
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i mean like they do a week of ____ and then make decisions

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im not sure tho

stark otter
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oh

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yeah that would make sense

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so a little late and they might remember me better

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🤔

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i am grasping straws lul

tranquil pebble
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Hey guys. I applied to Amazon three months ago with a referral. I haven't received any OAs yet and my application is still under consideration in the portal. Is there anything I can do?

devout bobcat
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I'd just say to wait

ebon belfry
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you can either email asp and ask for update, or you can pray

devout bobcat
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I waited about 2 months before I got OA

tranquil pebble
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Who do I email?

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I waited about 2 months before I got OA
@devout bobcat when did you apply?

devout bobcat
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August 17th

tranquil pebble
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August 17th
@devout bobcat I'm stressed because people are getting offers and I'm just falling behind everybody even though I applied relatively early.

autumn lynx
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definitely reach out to a recruiter

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download an email finder extension, go on linkedin, search amazon university recruiter, send as many as u can

normal tide
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Hey guys. I applied to Amazon three months ago with a referral. I haven't received any OAs yet and my application is still under consideration in the portal. Is there anything I can do?
@tranquil pebble are you an international student? because for some reason, almost all of my international friends haven't received OA yet. not sure if there is any correlation tho

tranquil pebble
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@tranquil pebble are you an international student? because for some reason, almost all of my international friends haven't received OA yet. not sure if there is any correlation tho
@normal tide yeah, I am.
One of my friends, an international student as well, who is graduating this sem got an offer. So idk.

devout bobcat
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@devout bobcat I'm stressed because people are getting offers and I'm just falling behind everybody even though I applied relatively early.
@tranquil pebble I hear you on that. I got really stressed when I didn't get my OA until last week. Don't lose hope! You got this!

tranquil pebble
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@tranquil pebble I hear you on that. I got really stressed when I didn't get my OA until last week. Don't lose hope! You got this!
@devout bobcat fingers crossed sir. Thank you.

tranquil pebble
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@tranquil pebble I hear you on that. I got really stressed when I didn't get my OA until last week. Don't lose hope! You got this!
@devout bobcat I was wondering if I can/should apply with a new email address/changed name?

modern ibex
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I am in the same boat. I applied on 20 August with a referral and still haven't heard back from Amazon.

tranquil pebble
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I am in the same boat. I applied on 20 August with a referral and still haven't heard back from Amazon.
@modern ibex yeah man. A friend just said referral applications get scrutinized more and maybe they haven't changed the status to a rejection yet. 😂

blissful adder
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MrVoid on Youtube haha
@warped pendant lol ive actually come across your videos by chance before...congrats on the offer

tired bay
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Accepted Amazon 🙌

warped pendant
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@blissful adder woah that is really cool to me, didn't realize anyone had seen my vids randomly

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since I am a very small youtuber haha. newtuber if you will, okay bad joke lol

blissful adder
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haha i mean you are a noogler its a fair bad joke

wild otter
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@tranquil pebble what locations did you specify?

forest scarab
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anyone else have 3 rounds for roblox instead of 2 for final? I got 1 hr + 30 min + 15 min instead of 1 hr + 45 min (no bar-raiser)

flint halo
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@tired bay congrats! now you have the honor of rejecting Nick

ebon belfry
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^ true

tired bay
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Lol yup 🤣🤣

spice belfry
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people who are in the bloomberg process, did you submit a cover letter when you initially applied? just want to test my theory lol

true folio
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nope

people who are in the bloomberg process, did you submit a cover letter when you initially applied? just want to test my theory lol
@spice belfry

arctic drift
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i'm too lazy for cover letters

spice belfry
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lol nvm then

silver owl
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i havent written a single cover letter this season

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im pretty sure they all get tossed in a bin

digital carbon
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@worthy spear glad to hear you're doing better 🙂

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im pretty sure they all get tossed in a bin
@silver owl it might make a difference for some companies, like maybe smaller companies that get fewer applications. but in general yea idt recruiters at bigger companies have time to read them anyway

tranquil pebble
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@tranquil pebble what locations did you specify?
@wild otter well I applied for the new grad position and I'm guessing it's fir Seattle but I've heard new grads being aced elsewhere as well.

mental frigate
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@tranquil pebble was there a separate option for Greater Seattle or a single one?

tribal timber
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Hey guys, is there a website to check if a company sponsors F-1 STEM OPT, or is there a database that contains all the companies that hire international students?

wild otter
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@tranquil pebble I’m asking cause where I applied on the portal it had three locations I could put as my preferences. I didn’t put the main offices in Seattle/NYC so only got my OA recently after 1 1/2 months

autumn lynx
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^is there a way to see what you selected?

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i dnt remember lmao

wild otter
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Lol, not sure. I just remembered I chose my state only

tranquil pebble
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@wild otter well I applied for the new grad position and I'm guessing it's fir Seattle but I've heard new grads being aced elsewhere as well.
@tranquil pebble Hmm. I don't exactly remember. It's been three months, but I'm pretty sure I put Seattle as my first choice.

woven juniper
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does anyone have remote new grad offers? : o

tepid sky
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can u work one job in person and another remotely at different timings lol?

dry mural
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i mean you technically can

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LOL

tepid sky
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trynna get that citadel comp without actually working there lol

oblique pelican
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That feeling when you royally fuck up an oa 🤯

stark otter
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its good work

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not too hard

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but it depends on the prof

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if they are a dick, high chance they offload everything to you and you get over worked

arctic drift
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Being a TA is useful for your resume too

stark otter
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if its a subject thats related to your major then definitely

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yeah

digital carbon
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trynna get that citadel comp without actually working there lol
@tepid sky I mean you'd basically be working citadel hours if you tried working two jobs simultaneously, so I don't see how this is any better lmao

stark otter
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my work out was cut out lol

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no teaching

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just office hours

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and grading

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as i said, go for subjects that you know wont have a lot of work from your side, if you are looking for easy money

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if you want to genuinely put in hours then go all for it

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mine were prog classes

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project classes are the hard ones

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if its simple assignments that you gotta run and take a look at the code to grade then ez

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but if its open ended assignments that need a lot of understanding of the code then prolly not

digital carbon
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@worthy spear btw make sure that the TA position you take up actually involves teaching. I took a grading assistant position for a year and I didn't learn anything from it (although it was decent resume fodder for a while)

stark otter
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yeah this ^^

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if you want to learn something or want to get something out of it

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be a TA for a good subject

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you will learn it in and out

digital carbon
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yea like all the people who TA data structures at my school are mad smart, and being a TA reinforces their communication skills

stark otter
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yup yup

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hmm maybe i shd apply for algo class TA next sem

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will help as i go into full time job search mode

rare scroll
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Anyone can talk about HRT's codility? I'm pretty good with python, but it seems it can only be taken in C++ or Java. fml

vocal carbon
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^I took the intern one once, was easy enough in C++ even though i usually do python too

devout bobcat
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If I'm coming down with a fever and I have bloomberg final tomorrow, would it be wise to reschedule or pull through

granite flax
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Pretty much no TA in my cs dept actually teaches they just grade, we’re ghetto

digital carbon
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reschedule

granite flax
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I been tryna become a ta but they prioritize those with higher financial need. Have 1 year left so if i cant get it next term i’ll try research or somethin

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Yeah it’s sad but i’ll take the resume fodder lol and even if not part of official job i’d help out the rascals. I enjoy helping in my classes

digital carbon
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@devout bobcat if you can't perform at your best then there is no point giving an interview, they should be understanding hopefully

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@stark otter @digital carbon
Yeah I was thinking about becoming a TA for the intro programming class or something because I think I can help students understand the foundation lol idk about object oriented....but then again I might loose my patience. So, I shouldn't go for the extremely easier classes.
@worthy spear TAing for intro to programming could be good too tbh

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it is hard to explain programming to people who are new to it

granite flax
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@worthy spear but that makes sense for u to become TA to improve social skills, good for u plus cool to talk in interviews about those times where u were “tested” by juniors but overcame it

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Y’all think i should try research if i cant get a TA position? Like i said, school prioritizes those with more financial need and i been turned down like 4 semesters for that reason. I will grad with 1 internship if all goes well

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One year left

digital carbon
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@digital carbon I've explained it to people in my upper level class who got a bit confused on an assignment
@worthy spear yea I'm saying it's a good skill if you can do that, would probably be a nice talking point for interviews

rare scroll
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Thanks @vocal carbon! I guess I'll try to learn c++ in 3 days. lol

stark otter
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yeah man good point

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lol i thought you didnt want anything from the TA

granite flax
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Oh i meant research assistant during semester not for a summer, but thanks!!! And def consider doing TA especially if u wanna improve

stark otter
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but best to take the subject you are bad at and TA for it

vocal carbon
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@rare scroll me too lol i've an interview next week that i really want which is gonna be in c++

stark otter
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my friend got really good at ML when he was TA for it

granite flax
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Oh shoot!

stark otter
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as long as you are sure about what you signing up for it should be fine

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i have had a couple friends regret TA since they didnt want to work a lot but the subjects basically had open ended projects that needs a lot of understanding to grade them

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TAs mostly only get teaching in labs

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rarely its for the actual lectures

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but again depends on the actual course

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my AOS course was so huge, 3 phds each 30 + age were TAs

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they basically ran the whole class the prof was retirement age

granite flax
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At my school TA’s have strict office hours tho so i think it would be tolerable restricting yourself to those. The cool TA’s do weekly tutoring on their own time but not because prof asks it

stark otter
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yeah

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this

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its gonna be this mostly

granite flax
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Except you’d need a drawing tablet for virtual setting or something

stark otter
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lol see if you can make the prof/uni pay for one

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free bonus

granite flax
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To make diagrams/etc
Speaking of which if anyone knows cheapest way to get a drawing tablet lemme know i’d like one. Not for art lul just programming stuff

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Hahah damn my uni would say no

digital carbon
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I don't mind helping before but I kind of don't want to teach a class.
@worthy spear ohh ic what you meant

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yea then I guess it depends if that's something you think is worthwhile pursuing compared to other things you could do

autumn lynx
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!process microsoft reject

feral martenBOT
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You can only use this command in 2021_grad_process or 2021_intern_process

wet rover
autumn lynx
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i think they meant 175k

wet rover
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Yea probably.

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Imagine how godly it would be to get 1.75 mil in stocks new grad

shadow heart
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Hey! Is anyone hearing back from companies other than the FAANG? I have applied to like 40 new grad openings and haven’t received any OA/interview so far. Been 2 month since I started applying and starting to get a lil scared lol.

pulsar trench
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hey, did anyone manage to negotiate amazon new grad offer with a competing offer? I heard amazon is pretty reluctant to relax their initial offer

radiant glen
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Is there a negotiation service where you can pay them and they help you negotiate new grad offers?

noble crag
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@shadow heart

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In all seriousness it’s a tough year, it looks like lot of people have had to apply to double/triple that number before getting interviews or offers.

blissful adder
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^

hasty sapphire
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@radiant glen i was looking at the levels negotiation service and they say "we currently don't offer help for: promotions at your current company, new graduate offers, and acquisition offers. Although it's possible to negotiate in these situations, increase potentials is either very limited or highly specialized."

shadow heart
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Thanks for the advice guys! Yeah the number is low but I don’t really see a lot of new grad openings. I have been applying to any of them that appeals even a little to me. I uploaded my resume on the resume channel for review, so do take a look at it and let me know if I need any changes there. Thanks!

flint halo
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damn whoever posted that Workiva offer is going to be living like royalty

high thunder
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what even is IA lol

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lol

brittle snow
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.......................................................................

stone monolith
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me

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and in the middle of nowhere

quick panther
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IA might be relevant if it votes for joe

worthy spear
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Do you guys think there are some opportunities next year? Like they will be posted in January or something? Or is it done for 2021 grads

uneven pasture
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Some companies don't hire people until 2021

stone monolith
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that's kind of a broad statement

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yeah

uneven pasture
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off the top of my head, Charles Schwab doesn't hire May 2021 graduates until January

vocal carbon
#

smaller growing startups are always in a hiring mode too

stone monolith
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Yeah

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Lots of companies don't start till Spring which is kinda wack

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Seems like only big N hires prior to spring semester

vocal carbon
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sadly that doesnt work very well if you graduate in december 😦

stone monolith
vocal carbon
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if covid was almost done i'd acc go back for one last term with friends

stone monolith
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Same. Our school already announced that we are doing virtual graduation next semester. Sucks

vocal carbon
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yepp, sucks to start a job remotely too

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assuming i get one lmao

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if i dont have anything by mid dec I might just go back to one of my internship companies

bold gull
#

Has nobody heard back from JP Morgan?

stone monolith
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It does. We have an intern on our team (started later than I did) who onboarded remotely and I don't think the process has been great imo

vocal carbon
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i did a remote internship over the summer and am doing one semi remotely rn, definitely not a great experience. they're trying to make it better but it slowly feels more like fiverr w benefits and events

mystic mica
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It does. We have an intern on our team (started later than I did) who onboarded remotely and I don't think the process has been great imo
@stone monolith interning rn and I concur

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hard to get a reach for people

uneven pasture
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I think most tech companies are onboarding remotely until fall 2021 at earliest

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Really sucks because I don't want to delay working until then lol

mystic mica
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and you're limited to like, condensing questions into scheduled meetings cus most aren't suited for chat since you gotta share screen

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Really sucks because I don't want to delay working until then lol
@uneven pasture I think most people will understand that onboarding remotely sucks for everyone

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even normally onboarding is pretty involved

stone monolith
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We have a persistent dev hangout where we can just go and ask questions. We can ask an engineer to hop in real quick, ask a question and then ✌️

mystic mica
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dang that's nice

stone monolith
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Yeah. An engineer on our team is always willing to step in and ask questions. Just as long as you don't ask the same question like 3 tim eslol

mystic mica
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i'm on a small team, we have a zoom chat but it's pretty dry

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and idk, I feel like

vocal carbon
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i've easy access to asking people stuff but it's still not the same

stone monolith
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We're pretty big, at least from the teams I've been on. We're 16 deep, and we have 10 engineers (11 with me 👼), and two interns (not including me bc converting).

mystic mica
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the thing they gave me is suppose to take like 1-2 weeks but it's gonna take me 3 months

vocal carbon
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for a few weeks my mentor and i were going to the office(cases were p low here for a while) and it was much easier to get stuff done

stone monolith
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Do you work out of the product backlog or are you on your own on a project? That might make a difference

mystic mica
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i've easy access to asking people stuff but it's still not the same
@vocal carbon yeah it's easy access, but it feels weird to just randomly hit people with a question, I feel like I never properly introduced myself to most of the team besides in the morning scrum

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Do you work out of the product backlog or are you on your own on a project? That might make a difference
@stone monolith it's my 4th day, it's kind of a small project but also something the team has been wanting to do for a while

vocal carbon
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@mystic mica I agree, it's weird especially when it's a simpler question

mystic mica
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i'm on a compiler team so that doesn't help things PepeHands

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also IT is fighting me my VPN has choked out several times now and booted me off ssh and everything

stone monolith
#

Ah that's cool. I had something like that at my first internship and it was hard to get help. At my current one since I'm contributing to critical path, anyone is pretty much willing to help me because its a sprint goal

mystic mica
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Ah that's cool. I had something like that at my first internship and it was hard to get help. At my current one since I'm contributing to critical path, anyone is pretty much willing to help me because its a sprint goal
@stone monolith oh nice! yeah, since it's remote I'm probably gonna spend extra hours tbh

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i graduated already but found this internship luckily, so I wanna do well and maybe convert to ft if possible

stone monolith
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Bless, hope you do honestly

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Sending good vibes ur way m8

vocal carbon
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good luck!

#

Would you guys take a less interesting job for a difference in pay of say 40k base

stone monolith
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40k+? or -

vocal carbon
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40k more for less interesting

stone monolith
#

I'd take any job that pays more and has good WLB

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if its less interesting then to me it seems like it'll have better wlb

vocal carbon
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it does have v good work life balance and people there are nice too

latent cipher
#

$40k is substantial. i'd go w less interesting but good wlb and more $ unless you'd be working on smth so boring that you wouldnt be learning anything bc then you're gonna have trouble going elsewhere

stone monolith
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I'd take it and then just upskill on your free time

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As long as you wait a few years before job hopping you should be fine even if the tech is boring af

vocal carbon
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When I say boring I mean boring for me as I'm not very interested in those parts

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I did that over the summer and 20% of the interviews I get now reference that as why

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But i kinda hated working on it as their product is very customer oriented so a lot of time was spent on the UI/UX

blissful adder
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^work on something that motivates you to wake up in the morning for some reason...you can sellout when you need to support a family but learning and interest should be high in your priorities imo

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40k is a big diff but if youre learning nd growing youll get promoted and if youre not getting promoted youll be better equipped to leave and find something better for you

sharp lichen
#

i think 40k depends what the total comp is because 40->80k is very different from 100k->140k

vocal carbon
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let's say 120k vs 160k

blissful adder
#

^ im assuming there are a lot more parts to this decision

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location

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for example

vocal carbon
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ah both are remote from canada which is why they are backup backup backup options 😛

sharp lichen
#

dang canada pays 160k

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wild

vocal carbon
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US companies

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I messed up by doing all my internships at small US companies, so now I can't really "go back"

blissful adder
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hmm....id say take the 120 and live somewhere relatively cheap that you like....forcing yourself into the extra 40k probably isnt worth it if you can find a good col area

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if youre that much more passionaate about the work

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especially if its remote

sharp lichen
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also either way. those have decent pay. and you can always change jobs down the line

blissful adder
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youre not gonna wanna force yourself to do shit you dont like for very long

vocal carbon
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Totally agreed, but I think the company is small enough that I can switch to working on something else instead. (they have some very cool parts that's why I signed up in the first place)

tiny wedge
#

got roblox final rescheduled 😎

sharp lichen
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nice!

blissful adder
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well then ask that rcruiter

sharp lichen
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what did you get it rescheduled to?

tiny wedge
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11-3

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my vmware deadline is on 11-6 lol

blissful adder
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how easy itd be to switch to a better team or proj

sharp lichen
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ooo. my deadline is tmr so im waiting to hear back after tuesdays final T_T

vocal carbon
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Yeah I'll look into that later in the term if no other jobs lol

tiny wedge
#

where at?

vocal carbon
#

thanks for the suggestions!

sharp lichen
#

roblox

uneven pasture
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wait 160k is nutty compared to 120k, i mean $20/hr more

blissful adder
#

also just for general ref" write out your priorities then map your offers onto them...hard to juggle what you want in you r head

uneven pasture
#

that's like an extra $160/day

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just depends how "less interesting" your 'less interesting' is

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and like whether or not that pigeonholes you into an area you dont like

tiny wedge
#

anyone here take the hiring manager round for qualtrics?

uneven pasture
#

or like wouldn't be able to easily switch jobs from if you go to that company

vocal carbon
#

nah it's just me trying to avoid doing any UI/UX work at all lol

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that's like an extra $160/day
@uneven pasture when you put it like that, that changes a lot lol

left kestrel
#

Had anyone done the 8451 second round interview??

unkempt echo
#

@uneven pasture

Fallacy. More like 20 more hours a week for 40k more a year
@worthy spear was said above that wlb was fine

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more pay !~= more hrs

vocal carbon
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Yepp in this case wlb is better for the more pay company

unkempt echo
#

that's like an extra $160/day
this is prob the best way to think about it, its pretty massive

vocal carbon
#

Agreed, thanks! I'll probably take it if I don't get offers for my current top 2-3 picks

idle basin
#

@sharp lichen im in the exact same position as you haha

sharp lichen
#

is 2-3 day turnaround asking too much. probably

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but I neeeeeeed

queen burrow
#

does bloomberg call for verbal offers or just email

true folio
#

call from what ive heard

compact hazel
#

what is the timeline for bloomberg after the phone screen?

queen burrow
#

I had a deadline so my onsite was exactly 1 week after phone

blissful adder
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^onsite went well?

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ie you had enough time to prep

queen burrow
#

It was just ok. for both coding rounds, I only coded 1 each and solved the 2nd verbally with no code.
Manager round hit me with a buuunch of system design questions though

blissful adder
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oof i really dont wanna have to prep sys des

#

oh well

#

gotta do whatcha gotta do

compact hazel
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@queen burrow, did they get back to you right away after the phone call?

#

I told them of my deadline, and I have yet to hear back

queen burrow
#

Yeah I scheduled an onsite the day after phone

vocal carbon
#

^i am on a weird schedule and doing my last semester rn

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graduating in december, trying to start new job in feb

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i dont have a set job yet, i started applying mid sept, have interviews to do now

nova gyro
#

for me, im just going to sit around for a semester chilling, then start work like normal

#

some companies might let you start early

vocal carbon
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i'd do that usually, take a few months to travel, but covid 😦

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a lot of companies do, especially if they're tech companies

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i've friends starting at a lot of big companies in jan/feb/march

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yep was supposed to grad april 2021

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but i have to take 3+ courses this term for reasons, so might as well finish it off

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(was supposed to just be doing internship rn)

obtuse stone
#

July/August if graduating in May-ish

simple hazel
#

did ppl do cloudflare OA?

#

is it worth doing the take home

sweet vigil
#

The main assignment is pretty simple and doable in like a couple hours

noble crag
#

So is the extra credit one if you know even a little about HTTP tbh

spring verge
#

are they just gonna be filtering everyone out who doesn't do the 2nd part?

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is it really optional

digital carbon
#

geez the microsoft tagged questions are so bad. 80 % of the effort is spent trying to decipher the prompt
@eager glacier maybe those are good interview questions because it tests if you ask good clarifying questions

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but on leetcode you're just stuck guessing lol

barren iris
#

did anyone interview with Bloomberg today? if i wan't contacted by hr after the final two rounds of interviews immediately, does that mean I am rejected?

torn halo
#

@barren iris I interviewed with them yesterday and got a reject today after two technical rounds. 😬

barren iris
#

I am sorry to hear, best wishes to your other interviews!

sly nebula
#

i just did my second interview today, im not sure when we find out either :/

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my first round interviewer asked me to schedule a time for r2 right at the end of the interview

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i guess we just wait and see sadge

devout bobcat
#

Hey guys how likely is it to get rejected after Amazon 30 min final

arctic drift
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very unlikely

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unless you really messed up

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didn't you just get the OA review

devout bobcat
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I haven't done the 30 min yet LOL

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I'm just preparing for it

arctic drift
#

I mean if you get the OA review then it's practically guaranteed unless you suck

#

lMFAO

mighty nebula
#

Has anyone here done 2sigma phone interview. Was it LC hard/med?

arctic drift
#

if you get a LC question probably based on whether or not you get the question right

devout bobcat
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wait what @arctic drift they give you LC questions?

worthy spear
#

I got a take-home on Oct 13th, and I haven't completed it still. Should I even bother at this point?

autumn lynx
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What company

worthy spear
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seatgeek

autumn lynx
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I’d atleast attempt it to see how long it might take

wraith basin
#

Fucking hell. Got rejected after final round interviews from 2 different companies

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It's so depressing and demotivating

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Fml

vagrant belfry
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Interviewer just no showed on me

magic sable
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Anyone interviewed for Nextdoor?

tired crescent
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anyone here take the hiring manager round for qualtrics?
@tiny wedge I took it earlier this week, still waiting to hear back

silver owl
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anyone here did akuna C++ phone screen?

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how hardcore should i prep

rose rivet
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@magic sable I did their final a few days ago

wild otter
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@devout bobcat how well did you do on the first 2 OAs? I think a 30 min final interview is a really good sign, just double checking you can explain your thoughts

devout bobcat
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@devout bobcat how well did you do on the first 2 OAs? I think a 30 min final interview is a really good sign, just double checking you can explain your thoughts
@wild otter 7/7 OA1 13/13 7/13 OA2

wild otter
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okay, thanks. yeah I got like 3 or 4/7 on the first one haha, i took too long on one and it burned me. I got all of OA2 so i feel okay, but a 30 min final would be sweet. GL on yours

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still have to do my OA3

patent cloak
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Can anybody ELI5 what exactly clear street does? I tried reading their vision page but I’m still a little confused https://clearstreet.io/vision

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If I’m correct, it seems like they want to create infrastructure for other hedge funds to use to make it easier for them to trade stocks

tired bay
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Basically yeah that’s what I got as well

sturdy mulch
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Just joined and reading some posts. What does OA stand for?

tired bay
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Online assessment

sturdy mulch
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Ah. Thanks. 👍

vocal carbon
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ik someone who accepted an offer from clear street and even he doesn't understand v well what they do

uneven pasture
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do you know what clear streets comp is like?

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i started and just skipped their takehome cuz lazy and no info on comp lol

vocal carbon
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this guy told me 100k base but he's not working from nyc so might be lower because of that?

patent cloak
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I thought you had to work in NYC

vocal carbon
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also i think he got the offer before they put up the new grad position? july/aug?

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tbh he was super sketchy about the entire thing to me

uneven pasture
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ngl clear street sketched me out with their processing being so damn long lol and nothing about the company online

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but it seems like they do cool stuff

vocal carbon
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yepp their work sounds pretty cool

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are their takehomes hard?

uneven pasture
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nah, i just didn't feel like spending 3-5 hours and then another 5-6 hours for onsite/more interviews for an offer i'd be highly unlikely to take anyways lol

vocal carbon
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yeah makes sense

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i'm kinda glad i interviewed for a couple of companies i have no interest in this week

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definitely got me into a better interview mood for next week

polar parrot
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Hey !
You gave final round with Lucid?

silver owl
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anyone apply for lucid ADAS/AV team here?

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and actually get an interview

primal summit
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just curious, i've noticed a trend. Has anyone who got a 30 minute final round interview at Amazon (for New Grad) got an LC question? It seems like its happening alot more often

simple hazel
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nothing to lose, might as well!

tall lantern
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Has anyone heard from cloudfare after submitting OA?

old kestrel
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Should I ask companies for free t shirts?
@tame latch
Don’t do that

iron gate
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roblox final round today 😬😬😬

jagged solar
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my application at Bytedance went from "Written test" to "Interviewing" but I didnt receive any emails. anyone knows what this means?

bronze canopy
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"What is a range of compensation you are expecting for this position" something competitive with my other offers. "do you have a range?" 100-150 "looking at your resume that top number seems high"

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yes

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and the glassdoor says 140ish for the position lmao

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Felt great about the interview other than awkward part lol we'll see

old kestrel
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Someone has said that to me as well

bronze canopy
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How'd that pan out

old kestrel
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I took a different offer lmao

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They said it to me after I gave them a competing offer with that amount

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So gg

bronze canopy
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lmao thats even better

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if they arent gonna fill the bag...nothing they can do

old kestrel
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i told this one company 200-300 and then they never got back to me after the OA lmao

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so needless to say sometimes u can say too much

simple hazel
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If your comp is near 150 and a recruiter says it's a lot just straight up reveal offer. The message is pretty clear: your competitor is willing to pay me this much. If u can't match then no point interviewing

worthy spear
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Lol I'm fine with just 75k as long as I get a job in a state and place I want to work in

latent cipher
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honestly that’s a depressing outlook. i get knowing your worth relative to the market and all but if you’d be depressed making $80k out of college bc you’re only in it for the $ isn’t that a little sad?

vagrant belfry
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Honestly 80k in Boston is still enough to live off of

tranquil relic
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delusional

vagrant belfry
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Like I'm not saying 80k is ideal but it's enough to pay rent and have a little left over

latent cipher
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yeah it’s certainly “enough”. of course that’s relative bc what it really gets at is “what luxuries are you accustomed to?”

worthy spear
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@worthy spear lol I guess. Like for me it just depends. Obviously 75k won't do in California

patent cloak
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Bruh that is PLENTY. there are people who live in Boston making minimum wage. You are very out of touch

tranquil relic
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^

latent cipher
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idk i grew up in a high COL area

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i feel like i have a pretty good sense of how expensive things are

twin trench
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I also feel like that comment really invalidates the hard work of people who struggled to find a job and had to settle for a smaller company at a lower salary...

latent cipher
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and you’re rly ignoring the way millions of ppl live in these high COL areas

vagrant belfry
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LMAO they do. Have you heard of residency

twin trench
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This server definitely has some ppl on a totally different level but $80k as a salary is actually fairly common in lesser known companies

patent cloak
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Yeah those people making minimum wage are busting their ass too

latent cipher
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exactly

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we don’t work any harder

tranquil relic
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lmfao

latent cipher
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arguably doing smth that makes you miserable regardless of comp is a waste of a life

vagrant belfry
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I mean if you derive all of your self-worth and happiness from the amount of money then I don't know what to tell you

latent cipher
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i have a lot of other interests outside of CS. im not sure id be a software engineer if all professions paid the same, so again, I understand that comp is an important consideration. but i would enjoy software engineering as a profession

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which is maybe why ill “only” be making $100k base out of college

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yeah the US is also the only place where software engineers are compensated like this

vagrant belfry
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I mean we also have to pay for a lot of shit out of pocket like healthcare

latent cipher
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agree, which rly fucks over the ppl who make shit money and still don’t have benefits

flint halo
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bruh weren’t you thinking about grad school

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compensation doesn’t always scale with the difficulty of your work

vocal carbon
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^100% agreed

vagrant belfry
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Imagine this dude living on a PHD stipend

vocal carbon
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My highest offer rn is the easiest and least busy job

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And I'd argue research in other fields etc is arguably harder

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Than most swe jobs esp at junior levels

idle basin
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imagine comparing being able to write some shitty APIs to being a fucking doctor. Jesus some of the people in this field are so toxic and out of touch with reality

flint halo
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in other news @sinful meadow when did you get amazon juice? 👀

latent cipher
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@eager glacier he actually presented to all the interns at my internship last summer bc he works there. super smart but honestly not a great presenter

vagrant belfry
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Or even worse Blind

flint halo
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some of y’all spent way too much time on collegeconfidential and r/a2c and it shows

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it’s me I’m y’all but at least I grew out of it

sharp lichen
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Hella yea this is the toxic tea I come to this channel for

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of course you gotta try your best to get the best you can, but if you're not content with a little you'll never be content.

marble pond
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@latent cipher who presented

vocal carbon
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What's r/a2c

marble pond
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apply2collegw

latent cipher
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@marble pond Bjarne Stroustrup!

vagrant belfry
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The only post I've read on r/a2c is the stanford does not exist

latent cipher
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@flint halo just reading the words collegeconfidential gave me flashbacks

vocal carbon
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Honestly I love how even this post has TC and YOE at the bottom

latent cipher
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omg

vagrant belfry
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Honestly Blind scares me lol. Like these people actually exist and could potentially be your coworkers

latent cipher
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as though a woman would be like “well you have less than 1 YOE so maybe come back when you’re managing a few devs”

old kestrel
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f

vocal carbon
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All the replies to this thread also devolve into "hmm good advice, btw what's your TC"

vagrant belfry
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Link lol

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?

vocal carbon
marble pond
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this is y im trying to get non tech friends lool

old kestrel
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Gauc I am non tech

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Can I be friend

vocal carbon
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Why do people ask for job advice on this channel even tho we are all jobless rn 🥲

ebon belfry
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I think will is trolling or completely out of touch

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The entitlement in some of these servers

copper fractal
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I mean what do you expect when CS students have to stare at a screen and LC all day

old kestrel
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Computer is friend

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Am coder

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.

marble pond
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computer only friend me love computer

copper fractal
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0101010110000

old kestrel
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Yes.

marble pond
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how 2 interact with same specie not my gender???

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AWOOGA

vocal carbon
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Btw does everyone else get databricks ads on their instagram too

latent cipher
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nah but i didn’t apply

last linden
frosty forum
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I need some reassurance yall. The only new grad offer I have is from Capital One. My end goal is working at an actual tech company, however I'm afraid if I don't leave C1 within 3 years or so I won't be able to get out of the FinTech industry. Does anyone know of anybody switching from C1 to BigN? I've actually heard of people going from C1 to Amazon but that's about it

cerulean pivot
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u can apply filter on linkedin

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but i’ve seen people yea

old kestrel
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Ppl can go from not even being a SWE to working at BigN

cerulean pivot
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lmao

old kestrel
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?

cerulean pivot
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it’s weird he’s worrying about this

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like capital one is good

old kestrel
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Oh I thought u were saying u can’t go to big an

cerulean pivot
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and taken into account ppl legit do career transitions

old kestrel
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Yea

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U can be a mechancial engineer and then do swe at google

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It doesn’t really matter

cerulean pivot
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i am an advocate for people with non traditional paths entering swe

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:)

vocal carbon
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Where does the line between fintech and regular tech stand?
Like I'm at a startup rn that deals with monetary systems but 80% of the company rn is engineers I believe. Probs even more

vagrant belfry
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Lol I have a degree in Molecular Biology

tiny wedge
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blind is the new tinder

frosty forum
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The only reason I care about going from C1 to BigN is because I'd be in Plano for C1 and I'd like to be in Austin because of my girlfriend. I'm still trying to find an Austin offer but it's looking slim, i don't want to seem ungrateful about getting a C1 offer because I really fucking am. ig i should stop worrying

latent cipher
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completely understandable (im trying to move to the seattle area for my girlfriend as well lol) but C1 def won’t keep you out of most places later on! especially if you’re gaining a lot of skills + growing as an engineer there

sharp lichen
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things might be remote for a while?? maybe you can stay with friends and family at least at the start of your job?

frosty forum
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Yeah, I'm hoping C1 is going to be remote for the first year since my GF has 1 year left of school, then she can go anywhere because she's an education major lmao. But Austin is where it's at it so I'd rather just stay here. Or she might be fully remote for another year and can do student teaching in DFW.

flint halo
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@frosty forum people definitely dip from C1, it’s a blind meme at this point

frosty forum
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@eager glacier not yet, but at this point i got a pretty good chance i do. I'll probably just renege if I find an Austin offer.

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@flint halo oh yeah i've seen it all from Desu's blind and Desu's 50 alt accounts on reddit

digital carbon
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yea I've heard mostly good things about C1. As long as you're a competent engineer and down to do the interview prep grind, you can always move to big N in the future

frosty forum
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yeah that's the general consensus i see now. yeah I just ignore Desu at this point lmao.

vocal carbon
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What does he say?

frosty forum
nova gyro
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Blind is stupid

frosty forum
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i dont have opinions but spamming TC/YOE? in the comments is annoying

digital carbon
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I do agree that the tc or gtfo mentality gets annoying, but it is also nice to have transparency about what people in our industry get paid

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boomers have this weird idea that tc is something that should never be shared, and imo it doesn't help because then people won't know if they're being underpaid

arctic drift
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I think it’s having this balance between being willing to divulge your salary and not hiding it but also not shitting on others for having low TC

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Blind does well on the former but screws the pooch on the latter

digital carbon
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agreed

vocal carbon
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Kinda wish talking about compensation irl wasn't that big of a taboo

arctic drift
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Bc then this elitist attitude pops our

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Out**

digital carbon
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Kinda wish talking about compensation irl wasn't that big of a taboo
@vocal carbon yea that's why imo the culture of sharing tc in tech is good, just makes sure people are getting paid fairly

unkempt echo
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blind's relationship section is pure comedy

visual fable
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For those getting demotivated with all these OAs and crazy interview requirements, you could always join the Navy's New Professional Program and become a computer scientist with them. Much lower bar for entry, just need to prove your soft skills. Just submit your resume here until the New Professional tab https://www.navair.navy.mil/nawcwd/now_hiring I already got interviews for 2 separate locations within a week

opaque dagger
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what's msft's ft return offer?
@somber oyster 110,500k base, 30k stock per year, and starting bonus 25-50k for intern return offer

grave gull
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standard is 109.5 base

opaque dagger
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for seattle area, pretty much everyone got the same 110.5k offer if you're undergrad SWE

grave gull
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no one i know got 110.5

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all 6 ppl i asked got 109.5

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wait

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nvm im trolling sry

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brain freeze

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keep in mindCOL difference

cerulean pivot
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standard is 110.5

autumn lynx
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damn thats a lot of return offers lmao

marble pond
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dont u guys think its weird

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that theres such a diversity of interns, experiences, and performances

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and they pretty much receive same offer

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and what you negotiate on for starting bonus isn't even really based on performance but competing offers

arctic drift
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you negotiate based on performance on other interviews*

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i.e. your perceived worth goes up because more companies want you

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more companies that pay even better**** want you

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companies just pay the minimum they can in order to keep you

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why would they pay you 150k if you're going to accept 100k -- a competing offer makes it obvious you're not going to accept that 100k

marble pond
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i wonder about the transparency thing for salaries

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people say more people get paid "fairly" but i wonder if it also stops higher salaries

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cuz if some new grad who did some huge change in azure gets a high tc for new grad, then everyone else who did the regular/average performance will try to negotiate for that person's high tc quoting same level

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even though that person might have had a much bigger business impact than them

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so msft cant pay one person more bc... pay one more, have to pay them all more, else msft is not being "fair" and "underpaying"/"lowballing" some workers

vocal carbon
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Smaller companies often have differing return offers depending on how much you did at internship

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Obviously these companies hire like 10-15 interns a year so its v different

marble pond
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Isn't the whole point of salary transparency @sinful meadow

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We work the same job but they get paid more

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so I should get paid more

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now that I know their salary

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I mean recruiters accept that from my experience

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"market research"

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just have to buzzword it up

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🤔

unkempt echo
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could i get some opinions on microsoft vs salesforce for full time

spiral glade
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Both are pretty good in terms of wlb and pay, also career progression
Decide on the basis of teams if you know them already
If not, just go with whatever you feel like wrt TC and location

unkempt echo
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microsoft is writing c# apps on cloud/ai team, salesforce is a SWE on an SRE team

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this is for a friend

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when she asked me i realized i couldn't give a great answer so i wanted to get some opinions from here

flint halo
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c+ai contains like most of microsoft so there’s a lot of variance there

unkempt echo
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yeah specific team is still unknown

marble pond
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@quick burrow what happened

grave gull
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@unkempt echo dm me the orgs I can give more insight

uneven pasture
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@quick burrow i just finished my final interview, can I dm you about what you got LOL

devout bobcat
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@quick burrow Why SD though. I lived in SD for most of my life and literally just want to live somewhere else

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Yeah I lived in NYC for a couple of months and I really liked it there.

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SD is pretty chill but it really depends where you live I guess

uneven pasture
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hm

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yext/flatiron?

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oscar health?

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c i t a d e l

grave gull
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SD is pretty nice

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wdym

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have you tried

uneven pasture
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ya cali is great

grave gull
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the BURRITOS

uneven pasture
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the best burrito ive had is at the MIT burrito shop

grave gull
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SD mexican food >> all

uneven pasture
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i miss it

grave gull
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that's fake burrito

uneven pasture
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i want to go to MIT's burrito shop again

real root
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SD mexican food >> all
@grave gull SD mexican food >> mexican food in mexico ????

grave gull
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no

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sorr

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mexico > sd > LA/texas(?) > all

devout bobcat
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I live in the suburbs of SD so I think its a bit too quiet for my liking

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nah I live pretty far away from that lol

naive current
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@quick burrow you can choose to live in NYC and work for DoorDash

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but i think the teams there are mostly front end

azure gull
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Anyone do Ibm devops engineer interview?

devout bobcat
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@azure gull is this after OA?

azure gull
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Yeah after OA @devout bobcat

tranquil relic
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has anyone tried negotiating w vmware?

devout bobcat
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Dang you’re like the first person I know who got a response other than the rejection

arctic drift
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I haven't gotten a rejection but i havent' gotten a response lmfao

spring verge
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does anyone know engineers a couple years into industry that have tried switching companies? is it easier to get responses from companies?

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in comparison to the internship/new grad life

feral martenBOT
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You can only use this command in 2021_grad_process or 2021_intern_process

tiny wedge
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found out that my vmware offer is for a team that uses C - do i dare go back into team matching? 😂

spring verge
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doesn't that make sense for what the company does tho

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are they not mostly low level type code idk

tiny wedge
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they probably have something higher, it’s a pretty big company so i’d hope

north kiln
#

Does this mean the stripe RSU policy on blind isn’t accurate? ‘We will convert your cash equity value to RSUs based on the FMV on your start date. Stripe will commit to the dollar value of the new hire grant, but not convert this value to RSUs until after you start at Stripe. This way while the value of the grant will remain consistent, the number of RSUs will reflect the preferred value at start date.’ Not completely sure how RSU’s work

tight marlin
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@tiny wedge wait how'd you find out, through the phone call? Or did you learn this after you signed

tiny wedge
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i scheduled a call with the manager through my recruiter

tight marlin
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oh nice okay

steel herald
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San Diego’s great!

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😬👍

stuck hull
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anyone know SIG salary for software engineer?

formal reef
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any heard of the cseo department at msft? I wanted to work on a product team, but got an offer for cseo. Is it possible to negotiate departments or would it be better to try to switch after accepting?

sleek coyote
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@formal reef they didn't let interns interview with other teams so i would assume there is little to no room for team negotiations. Just accept, work for ~6 months, and interview with your desired team

spring verge
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Anyone else get an invite to the doordash ama thing?

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is this like next steps I'm confused