2021_grads

[dusky nest]

or do I give it a shot and apply

[sturdy otter]

might as well apply and see if you hear back?

[tired bay]

Yeah I would def say their smaller city offices still got spots just apply and see what happens

[worthy spear]

got a question for some of you new grads

how's it going for those of you who graduated with no internships applying to FAANGM?

genuinely curious, I'm a junior now and trying to get something for this summer

but I just want to know what it's like, if it's as bad as some people say, no responses or anything

[elfin rivet]

@worthy spear no FAANGM but I got OA from Amazon, for everything else it’s been pretty hard because of covid, Facebook and Google aren’t taking anyone for the most part, and I talked to a few people along with myself who got rejected from Microsoft with referrals

[worthy spear]

Oof

hmm, okay

from what it's sounding like from you guys: it's not utterly impossible

preciate the input

[digital carbon]

if you're applying to faang with no internships it's basically impossible imo

for new grad

[vagrant raft]

Ik someone who got fb new grad with no internships last year

But he was a TA and did research

[simple hazel]

honestly if u have an overwhelming amount of dev work on your resume, you can offset the no internship. build projects, contribute to open source, and network you ass off

[vagrant raft]

Yea projects seem useless

It was during the school year

[tired bay]

Had internship at Lockheed got response from only Amazon for big N and secured offer

[vagrant raft]

But yea it still looks good

[digital carbon]

projects are good for learning and showcasing specific skills, which is very useful for team matching processes. but for actually getting the job, research > side projects

[vagrant raft]

Honestly I doubt he'd get a nearly equivalent offer this year though lmao

[digital carbon]

I'll amend my point: unless you have done very impressive research/open source work, getting into faang FT without any internships will be quite difficult

[vagrant raft]

Recruiters don't understand projects

[simple hazel]

yeah true
i mean its gotta be non-trivial, have real world users etc

[digital carbon]

recruiters don't understand anything

[vagrant raft]

Yea

They are just robots who check off boxes lmao

[simple hazel]

ur better off LI messaging engineering managers. best thing ever. i got straight onsites from that

[vagrant raft]

How much would that help for faang internships or new grad?

I feel like it wouldn't help much

Yea

[digital carbon]

ur better off LI messaging engineering managers. best thing ever. i got straight onsites from that
@simple hazel this year or in previous years?

[vagrant raft]

^^

Getting into Apple is all about networking

[simple hazel]

honestly ive found that selling myself as a new grad vs full-stack dev with a bit of experience has provided vastly different results. they dont seem to care much that i recently graduated if i sell myself as a full-stack dev. but i have startup exp during college, so kinda attribute it to that

@simple hazel this year or in previous years?
@digital carbon this year, LinkedIn and ByteDance

yea. its like crazy different how i get treated lol

[vagrant raft]

I mean even a new grad can try this

Nothing to lose

[tired bay]

I sell combination of leadership and tech skills never really did any amazing side projects but I sell that I can effect a team day 1 in a lot of different ways kinda of Swiss Army approach

[digital carbon]

hmm that is interesting and sounds like a good way to approach people on LI, otherwise people are just like "why is this kid wasting my time" lol

[vagrant raft]

Only a little effort

[simple hazel]

yep being associated with the new grad name is like a negative thing i guess, cause theyre expecting someone who has like no experience working with large systems etc. but then again, you gotta prove yourself the interview too. you can pretty much expect a LLD round every loop

[digital carbon]

@simple hazel LLD?

low-level design?

[simple hazel]

yeah. nothing too crazy, but yeah you should be comfortable designing stuff.

[digital carbon]

do you mean systems design

[simple hazel]

yeah, but low-level. so like classes, methods, levels of abstraction, maybe some DB design. you should be able to make design choices and answer why. that kind of stuff can be hard, but at least it is a level of screening based on your skill, and not some recruiter throwing your resume in the trash because it didnt meet their target number of keywords.

[digital carbon]

ah gotcha, that sounds like a mix of object oriented design and systems design then

[dry mural]

fuck morals

chase that bag

LOL

[simple hazel]

Lmao plenty of time to uphold morals after RH IPO xD

[high thunder]

ll bruh

3-5 internships?

are you a college lifer?

ahh

i go to latest target school

so i dont really even need internships

spend my summer vibin

UCF

best target school

the MIT of east central florida

[arctic drift]

You don’t need to go to a target school lol

[vagrant raft]

do you guys think an FB internship would be enough to get new grad interviews at top hedge funds/trading firms?
@warped grotto maybe, ik some fb interns who didn't get interviews with many quant firms

[high thunder]

every school is a target school if ur a decent engineer

[arctic drift]

You just need to network

[vagrant raft]

Some did though

It seemed rng

[arctic drift]

I have no internships and did basically only research and then pivoted into industry this year

And I’m doing better than I should tbh

[hybrid folio]

this is true, you just need to network really well if you don't go to target. i would know since im in arkansas lmao

[vagrant raft]

Ik people who did no internships and got great new grad offers in previous years

[arctic drift]

It’s all being 🐍🐍🐍

[woven juniper]

which company if you dont mind saying @ billyhoho?

[vagrant raft]

Why go to school forever?

[arctic drift]

I got final round for like DRW and Roblox

Flubbed one interview on my DRW final tho XD

[grave gull]

billy is lucky

[arctic drift]

Yeah I’m rly lucky lowkey

[woven juniper]

there are definitely companies that will hire you with no experience (i.e avanade, liberty mutual, tmobile) but feels like many expect at least 1 internship

[arctic drift]

I think a lot do but you kind of just have to show you’re competent enough to learn really quickly

And then they’re like Aite bet all g my man

I’m not saying it’s not worth it

I’m saying that you don’t need to to get a “good” new grad job

[woven juniper]

yall think its possible to get a new grad job this year without doing anything outside of your classes (i.e, no research, no internship, no side projects, etc)

[grave gull]

@arctic drift do you have an offer yet

[arctic drift]

Shut the fuck up :’(

[hybrid folio]

D:

[grave gull]

no one report me billy and i are friends

[arctic drift]

Not anymore

[grave gull]

SIKE i'm calling the IRS on you

[vagrant raft]

Yea this year seems super hard for new grad

[hybrid folio]

@woven juniper what kind of job we talking? like new grad job as in what we go for in this discord? or just a new grad job anywhere?

[vagrant raft]

Probably need 2 solid internships to get responses

[woven juniper]

hm ig just any SWE new grad job

aware of a lot of people in the situation im describing 🥴

[arctic drift]

I mean

What did they do

In like

3 summers worth of time

[hybrid folio]

then yeah even with the market being saturated you can definitely still get a job even with doing nothing outside of class

[vagrant raft]

I feel like small local companies aren't hiring much this year

For new grad

[grave gull]

as another data point I have 4 internships (2 borderline big N + unicorn) as an international student and I'm not having as good of a time as I hoped this year

[high thunder]

there are plenty of jobs out there

[grave gull]

I don't even get callbacks from most places

[vagrant raft]

But there are also plenty of applicants

[arctic drift]

Sorry I wanted to say I’m not having the best time but I’m not having the worst time either

Basically it’s doable

Obv pref to have internships lmao

[grave gull]

unless you're international

then you're in for a ride

[arctic drift]

I feel like small local companies aren't hiring much this year
@vagrant raft I think it’s both easier and harder for smaller companies bc they want someone who can hit the ground running — on boarding probably isn’t as easy

[hybrid folio]

this server just built different

[vagrant raft]

In the past the vast majority of people in CS get jobs

[woven juniper]

i feel like a lot of people at my school resort to taking QA positions or swe at places like tata consultancy services

[vagrant raft]

Who knows what the stats will be this year

You don't know

And I don't know

[hybrid folio]

most of my schools CS graduates become QA testers or mainframe systems programmers

[arctic drift]

New grad is also significantly more difficult than having one or two tears of experience

Years *

From what reddit has told me

[vagrant raft]

Lmao

[arctic drift]

Can’t say that’s my own knowledge lmao

[hybrid folio]

if you are from where i am you need at least 2 is what ive learned

[vagrant raft]

You do need a lot of good experience if you don't have any other hooks

[tired bay]

Yeah I only had 1 was kinda concerned and got just same or more responses than I did intern years

[woven juniper]

i think it varies based on your location and if you attend a target

[hybrid folio]

^

[woven juniper]

how much prior experience you need

[warped grotto]

what about 1 faang + 3 unknown companies and non target

[tired bay]

Yeah I wish I had done another looking back

[hybrid folio]

@warped grotto you should be fine with that

[vagrant raft]

I go to a school that's at least a semi-target and faang interns are struggling to get interviews here

For new grad

[high thunder]

i wrote an article on this

[vagrant raft]

Rip those who didn't pass Google conversion or get a return offer

[hybrid folio]

im not excited to do new grad interviews

[warped grotto]

cant imagine a company resume rejecting a google intern

[high thunder]

well now i dont want to link it :shy:

[woven juniper]

getting intern interviews seems way easier than getting new grad interviews

is yield protection a thing for companies

[vagrant raft]

cant imagine a company resume rejecting a google intern
@warped grotto companies can't interview every google intern

[delicate tapir]

I want to read it @high thunder

[high thunder]

https://medium.com/@charlesbailey333/passively-succeed-in-coding-interviews-329377d6b93f

[vagrant raft]

Most have been applying since the return offers take so long to come out

[woven juniper]

maybe if your resume is too stacked, companies dont want to waste time and money interviewing you because they think you'll just accept offer elsewhere

[high thunder]

'ah, shit, google's gonna hire this kid. better just reject him now'

[hybrid folio]

bruh show me a stacked resume

[woven juniper]

oh just resume rejecting people with faang internships ig

by smaller companies

[vagrant raft]

I doubt that happens

In that they yield protect

[hybrid folio]

@high thunder i read competitive programming and thats when i knew lmao

[woven juniper]

didnt someone just say that people with faang internships at their school were having problems getting new grad interviews

[vagrant raft]

Yea

[hybrid folio]

ez

just get interviews

[arctic drift]

What if you sold bananas as a side job 🤔

Free supply thru amzn

Go to Redmond MSFT office and be like “selling bananas bc your company doesn’t offer any”

People are either really messing up OA3 for Amazon

Or

Amazon upped their hiring bar

[ebon belfry]

Guys, it’s a bad year lol

[arctic drift]

Their arbitrary hiring bar that’s super confusing

[tired bay]

I mean I think they the most popular offer still

OA2 was def upped in difficulty for sure

[ebon belfry]

Probably worst year to graduate in modern history

[arctic drift]

I got a LC easy, medium, and a hard for my amazon interviews last year

[ebon belfry]

That’s all there is

[arctic drift]

My friends got LC easies

Every company has arbitrary bar but amazon makes me sad for what could’ve been

[vagrant raft]

even amazon doesnt seem to be hiring as many new grads
@sinful meadow lmao this is when you know its bad

Amazon was hiring new grads like crazy last year

[unreal jewel]

when do new grads usually start work after graduating? Like month or two?

[digital carbon]

Some companies are flexible with start dates, but in general yea usually a month or two after graduating

[steep herald]

Getting into Apple is all about networking
@vagrant raft tbh I didn't network or get referral and still got reached out by Apple so this isn't always the case

[vagrant raft]

Yea there are exceptions

[cursive loom]

ez passively pass ur coding interviews, just have a background in competitive programming and be a IOI medallist at least

[high thunder]

Yeah literally

Jk IOI is much

[old kestrel]

unless u apply through a university portal, apple is all about networking

[rocky carbon]

does anyone know if there is a disc channel similar to this one but for data science new grads?

[unkempt echo]

what quant firm gave you fizzbuzz?

[cursive loom]

Must be renaissance

[warm stone]

dry inbox month

[wind acorn]

wait can someone explain to me

these banana memes

for amazon

[dark jewel]

amazon gives free bananas at the office

because we're monkeys

because bananas + coffee + water is the only thing free and the workload is heavy, a lot of people just stockpile bananas at their desks to eat while working through lunch

[wind acorn]

@dark jewel wait no free food at amazon?

[sturdy otter]

Bananas are a sugary fruit, so eating too many and not maintaining proper dental hygiene practices can lead to tooth decay. They also do not contain enough fat or protein to be a healthy meal on their own, or an effective post-workout snack. Eating bananas becomes significantly risky only if you eat too many.

poor amazon workers

[warm stone]

banana and coffee

[dark jewel]

@dark jewel wait no free food at amazon?
@wind acorn Salaries are reasonable enough that employees aren't starving. plus going for walks in the middle of the day is nice

FB office is only 4-5 blocks away 😉

[wind acorn]

@wind acorn Salaries are reasonable enough that employees aren't starving. plus going for walks in the middle of the day is nice
@dark jewel haha yeah no for sure it was just a surprise to me

[worthy spear]

Any tips for doing well on the work simulation portion of the amazon? I’ve done well so far and I might get an offer if I pass this! (Assuming they give me the 30min final round)

[unkempt echo]

from what i hear about amazon if ur willing to look around theres usually a team or two with free food willing to share

[mental frigate]

How much do you get to talk (non-work) with people from other teams at Amazon?

Basically socialize and make new friends

[elfin rivet]

@worthy spear when making a decision always put clients first then see where you can save time/money for amazon and don’t be rude to your manager

[wind acorn]

how do people make friends irl

something that's been scaring me is that when I go out into the "real world" or w/e I'll have problem making new friends esp. since I'll be moving somewhere new

making friends in college was already intimidating enough and everyone there is your age

[sturdy otter]

I have an easy solution that could be very time inefficient:
do nothing and wait until someone approaches you

[wind acorn]

(at least for me it was intimidating... y'all might be social butterflies or something but if so share your ways pls)

I have an easy solution that could be very time inefficient:
do nothing and wait until someone approaches you
@sturdy otter but where would they approach me on the train? o.O

[sturdy otter]

well, it could happen anywhere there are people

it's not like talking requires prep

at least, for some people

[queen burrow]

Just got Amazon OA2 but I'm confused. I thought OA3 was LPs and OA2 was just LC?

What is included in Part 2: Coding and Workstyles Assessments?
At Amazon, it’s important that SDEs demonstrate both technical skills and our Leadership Principles. Part 2 of the Online Assessment includes both a Coding Assessment and Workstyles Assessment.

[wind acorn]

well, it could happen anywhere there are people
@sturdy otter yeah that's true I guess yeah the caveat being this method is very inefficient

[sturdy otter]

yea hahah

but honestly, just like with applying, you only really have to get one

[wind acorn]

Maybe in the future when things are more normal this Discord could organize a meetup or something of new grads in our class in the diff. tech hubs

[sturdy otter]

you make one, and then eventually you're friends with their friends too

A discord meetup could be cool but I'd wager a lot of us are introverts who wouldn't agree to go to something like that

^
I know someone who started working full time this year and he made a slack for the other new hires and now they zoom during lunch every friday and play scribble.io

[smoky jungle]

get happy hours going

[languid solstice]

does anyone know where to figure out what microsoft level their offer is at -- i keep seeing ppl say l59 or l60 and i don't even know where to find that 😆

[unkempt echo]

new grads are in l59 and l60

[languid solstice]

but how do we know whcih one

[unkempt echo]

do you have an offer letter?

id assume it'd say on there, theres a database of all the microsoft fte return offers and everyone was able to specify what level they were

[languid solstice]

oh wait yeah does anyone have the link for that?

[flint halo]

it doesn’t actually say on the offer letter

but l59 is 110.5k base

[unkempt echo]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rD9sKjUpgwmiUKmQZJBFjoZZdwnRw2qHlj57FHtXnIc/edit#gid=1790229471

[languid solstice]

thanks 😄

[royal heron]

Is amazon still giving OA to recent grads?

Did anyone get Target interview?

[tall lantern]

Any tips on JP Morgan HireVue? Are you live coding or recording your solution to a problem they give you?

[tired bay]

2 coding problems 2 videos explaining your solutions

@tall lantern

[tall lantern]

@tired bay are you solving the problem while being recorded or are you given the problem, and able to brainstorm then record your solution?

[eternal basin]

something that's been scaring me is that when I go out into the "real world" or w/e I'll have problem making new friends esp. since I'll be moving somewhere new
@wind acorn i'm ur friend 😠

[tight marlin]

@tall lantern you solve and then explain in the recording after within 3 mins

[tall lantern]

@tight marlin , @tired bay thank you!

[digital carbon]

I've heard HRT is good, and my interviewers at Akuna said they had good wlb too

[honest ruin]

anyone done first round for capital one product development program?

[digital carbon]

Optiver is meh for wlb afaict

[vagrant raft]

I think none are as good as msft or google

[loud anchor]

different people have different standards for wlb

so some people will say its fine but it might not be for you

[digital carbon]

Yea for someone interested in trading, optiver wlb is probably manageable

[loud anchor]

gotta ask about the hours

ive heard citadel can be like 70 or 80 hour weeks sometimes

kinda insane

[digital carbon]

Well I've heard some Azure teams and Google Ads are stressful af. Wlb is heavily team dependent

[vagrant raft]

all im hearing rn is i should renege
@lofty cloak optiver seems like a better opportunity for an intern

Just to see how it is

You can always switch to tech

[loud anchor]

more important to be interested in what you're doing honestly

work is too much of a week not to like

[wind acorn]

like FB first year is like 240 TC if ur a good returning intern
@lofty cloak I've always wondered tho

I've heard some bad things about FB wlb

everything is team dependent ofc but which orgs at FB generally have bad wlb I wonder

[rose rivet]

anyone take nextdoor final?

[unkempt echo]

citadel wlb is team dependent but you can expect at least 40-50

[quick panther]

only pittsburgh

[high thunder]

probably what happens is some people overwork themselves

but it could also be a culture thing?

idrk

cant wait to find out 😄

[wind acorn]

Anyone here taken Akuna's Quant Dynamic HackerRank? What to expect from 3 questions in 60 minutes lol

are they all coding?

[twilit fiber]

Yes

[undone totem]

Has anybody here done Palantir London’s on-site that I can talk to?

[placid orchid]

Anyone know what I should expect in a Microsoft virtual onsite round? I'm guessing it's a couple behavioral questions + 1 lc easy/med/easy sys design, but is there anything special I should prepare for?

[real root]

Has anybody here done Palantir London’s on-site that I can talk to?
@undone totem not yet, how was the phone screen?

[undone totem]

super chill!

[worthy spear]

yall i finish classes in a month

[tidal hazel]

^same! wild

[languid solstice]

Anyone know what I should expect in a Microsoft virtual onsite round? I'm guessing it's a couple behavioral questions + 1 lc easy/med/easy sys design, but is there anything special I should prepare for?
@placid orchid that's pretty much it

[placid orchid]

@placid orchid that's pretty much it
@languid solstice good to know, thanks! Are there any topics you would recommend focusing on?

[languid solstice]

@languid solstice it’s just one LC problem per round?
@eager glacier it varies, most of mine were just one but one had several very easy ones.

@languid solstice good to know, thanks! Are there any topics you would recommend focusing on?
@placid orchid mine were mainly string manipulation but heard trees are popular from others

[placid orchid]

@placid orchid mine were mainly string manipulation but heard trees are popular from others
@languid solstice ah okay, thanks for the info 🙂

@eager glacier is your onsite tomorrow too

good luck! hope we both get offers 🙂

[blissful adder]

hey good luck to both of you!

[hybrid folio]

hey for anyone that has done msft, how hard is msft new grad interview compared to intern? im interested in applying for new grad next season

[grave gull]

unrelated but i had msft intern offer and got resume screened out for new grad

[cursive loom]

wait is that the FY 21 TAR email?

i got a FY 20 TAR email

but not a 21 email lol

[ripe bane]

anyone take the doordash final before?

[sweet torrent]

any advice or thoughts on taking the standard sde1 seattle offer from amazon vs about a 90k offer in cheaper columbus oh?

[tired bay]

I mean Seattle’s high cost of living is mostly due to buying a house which makes those calculators skewed a little

But I think it comes down to which company u wanna work for and it’s just about money Amazon all day

[ebon belfry]

where is the second offer from?

[tired bay]

If I had to guess it’s JPMC

[ebon belfry]

then amazon

[magic sable]

Anyone interviewed at Amazon 3 rounds final? I have mine tomorrow. Would love any advice 🙂

[sweet torrent]

yee its jpmorg and yeah ive been skeptical of the COL calculators get some skewed results and plus didnt get to go out to seattle over the summer to experience how expensive it is in seattle so just trying to get some opinions

[tired bay]

@magic sable 3 45 minute rounds 10-15 minutes behavioral then 1 coding question each round

Can rent a place around 2k in Seattle there is no income state tax sales tax a little elevated but I think with renting early on Amazon salary would go just as far or farther than 90k in Columbus

[arctic drift]

I think Seattle is really really nice

fwiw

I love the city

but also very rainy lol

[tired bay]

Yeah Columbus is grey all year as well 🤣

[arctic drift]

alright well if you're gonna be dealing with clouds either way

[sweet torrent]

yeah im an ohio native the winters are brutal with the amount of gray

[arctic drift]

might as well choose the better city

[tired bay]

Yeah I think Amazon will provide exponential growth early on that will open doors down the line imo but def just lay out pros and cons and see what decision comes out best for you

[sweet torrent]

thanks ya👍

[arctic drift]

You won't be shooting yourself in the foot either way fwiw, it's just you should figure out what you value

[ornate charm]

Anyone taken the Redfin OA?

Can u dm if so

[tiny oak]

tampa is the new bay area baby

go bucs

[ornate charm]

Brady💀💀💀💀

[tired bay]

Brady is still so good

[vagrant raft]

Yea he is ridiculous

43 years old

[ornate charm]

Lebron the goat

[spiral glade]

Is there any hope to get an interview with Amazon after getting only 1 of 2 questions in OA2?
It was a LC hard and LC medium
I was not expecting a hard wth

[frosty forum]

i heard that if you don't do well in the first two OAs and do really well on the third one then you move on to finals

[arctic drift]

No point worrying though

Just do as well as you can

and hope the random number generator sends you through

[autumn lynx]

I just fucking lost all my code on clear streets challenge. bruh

fuck codesignal

[arctic drift]

is that even worth doing

I haven't started it lmfao

[autumn lynx]

bruh i just basically had it done

i think

[arctic drift]

how long did it take

[autumn lynx]

and i lost all that shit

its not that hard its just annoying to handle the inputs / output

prob like 5 hours

[arctic drift]

bRuh

5 hours worth of work,,,, gone,,,

[autumn lynx]

idk what happened but i somehow replaced my function with the test code and pressed submit

and now i only have my last submission

[arctic drift]

can you

undo

[autumn lynx]

nah

i tried

[arctic drift]

F

[autumn lynx]

bro oml this doesnt even add up

i was pressing undo and then somehow my code got replaced with the testz

and then i was like wtf so i went back

and but it said i should submit but i didnt realize that would make me lose my old code lmao

FUCK

first neeva now this

[torn ivy]

Does anyone know the Microsoft new grad salary for non interns

[obtuse stone]

dependent on interview performance

[quick panther]

i got rejected from clear street for failing 2 of the hidden tests

i spent like 4 hours on it

[flint halo]

@worthy spear if you’re on Pell or have low student contribution on FAFSA you can sometimes get a fee waiver

but also would not recommend grad school unless your heart is 250% into it (or if you’re international and need to extend your F1)

(and I would recommend talking to your research advisor about it)

[arctic drift]

a PhD is only the move if you've done research already and know that it's something you really want to do

If you're not very sure about it you're going to get mentally destroyed (and even if you are sure about it, it's likely you're going to stuffer)

you're spending 4-6 years frantically developing a thesis and hoping that it works out

all the while managing quals and the like

It's not impossible by any means, but it's something you should think about very much before doing

[mighty nebula]

Make the money's for a few years, then go get that PhD

Seems like a reasonable trade off

Accept, then take an "off year" lol

Yeah

Consult with your folks I guess, and with you inner self if you find it

[flint halo]

@worthy spear if you do a PhD you’re going to be living below the poverty line for 5-6 years, and then graduate with marginally higher earning potential than a new grad unless you’re a research scientist at FAANG

and also “ivies” isn’t really a good distinction when you’re thinking about CS PhDs

for example I’d easily take UMass over any ivy besides Cornell

and if you’re worried about gtfo-ing the US, it’s still much easier to do that by working your way up at a FAANG and then doing internal transfer to another country

I’m doing an honors thesis right now and it’s destroying my soul, even though I’ve done part-time/summer research for the past three years

thanks, hope your legs get unbroked (lmao) soon

[autumn lynx]

both your legs are broken? @worthy spear

sheesh

prayers for my man willo

what happened

wot

how long did u limp

oh man. make sure u get a knee specialist.

[ember scaffold]

has anyone had a recruiter call with bloomberg? what can i expect?

[empty crane]

Behaviorals and why Bloomberg

[rocky spoke]

anyone here managed to get interviews for UK based companies despite needing sponsorship and not studying there?

[hybrid folio]

@worthy spear i might be able to help with your decision? getting a PhD is no small feat and is definitely something to be admired for when you do get it. But also getting a PhD is a true commitment. A lot of the mental destruction from a PhD comes from not only how strenuous, tiring, and overall difficult it can be, you are also essentially preparing something that either comes out to be proven completely wrong or that is just incorrect. And although that is the point of research, it still sucks to put that many years into something only for that to be the result of the process (I'm currently going through that with the thesis I have to finish before I graduate. If I cared about research even a little bit more, I would be devastated. I already realize that what I'm writing about has been written about several times already and that it will be hard to provide something new to the field). My advice, get a PhD if you truly have a passion for the field of CS and you want to find out something new and interesting about it. Or if the practical reasons for getting a PhD are overwhelming (I think I saw someone earlier mention visa purposes?). Otherwise, I don't recommend it. It would just be mentally crushing if your heart isn't 100% in it.

[vocal carbon]

@rocky spoke yep have interviewed with/gotten offers for internships/ft before

[main rapids]

@worthy spear i'm in an MS program. my suggestion: take a couple graduate courses to see if you enjoy research. graduate courses are very different from undergrad courses: fewer problem sets / homeworks / exams, instead a dozen paper reviews through the semester and one mini-research project with a proposal, conference-style presentation, and research paper-style report

for me it took about 4-6 graduate courses before i got comfortable with "exploring an idea that other people haven't discovered before"

and like @farmer peepo above i also had several semester research projects that were "simply a bad idea", and it does feel devastating but at least they were confined to one semester

also @worthy spear take care of yourself!!!!

[bronze canopy]

Got called about an offer last Wednesday Thursday and they said they’d be getting me offer details in email shortly. Still waiting on the email...should I reach out or just keep waiting?

[wind acorn]

reach out

[midnight harbor]

Have y'all done a hireright background check before? Do you have to include all employment information even for things you don't have on your resume or are they only looking to verify things you have on there?

[high thunder]

They more just wanna verify that you exist

[midnight harbor]

soo if there's something I left off my resume I don't have to report it?

[gleaming sluice]

What do I say if a recruiter contacts and ask if I have any other offers? Looks like I am under consideration

What do I say if a recruiter contacts and ask if I have any other offers? Looks like I am under consideration
@gleaming sluice PS: I don't

[fleet niche]

Hello, does anyone know if you have to run code for the Bloomberg final?

[silver owl]

Hello, does anyone know if you have to run code for the Bloomberg final?
@fleet niche bloomberg never asked me or even let me run the code

[digital carbon]

you don't have to run it but they might expect you to walk through the algorithm with some examples to catch bugs

[torn ivy]

Does anyone hear anything about Microsoft office team? Are they toxic or dope?

[high thunder]

ive heard Office is a chill org

[unkempt echo]

ive heard the opposite about Office lol ymmv

[proven badger]

Does anyone know if you can reuse examples for Microsoft behavioural interviews between the different interviewers?

I heard that Amazon doesn’t like it when you do that

[spiral glade]

What do I say if a recruiter contacts and ask if I have any other offers? Looks like I am under consideration
@gleaming sluice bluff
Tell them that you have one offer from a startup (you don't have to name them but prepare the name of a not so popular startup) and you are in the final rounds of interviewing with a few others at the moment (you can name them here. It's better if those names are the company's competitors)

[sly saffron]

Does anyone know what kind of questions are asked in c3.ai phone interview? Do they ask about system design?

[ornate charm]

How long after amazon OA 3 do they get back to you?

[devout bobcat]

@sly saffron its just a lc question

[marble pond]

msft office will be web ready in 2025 very fast moving, draining culture 😩

[old kestrel]

@gleaming sluice bluff
Tell them that you have one offer from a startup (you don't have to name them but prepare the name of a not so popular startup) and you are in the final rounds of interviewing with a few others at the moment (you can name them here. It's better if those names are the company's competitors)
@spiral glade
so ur advice is to lie directly to their face?

[spiral glade]

It's only to make you look like a hot piece on the market

Don't see how that's gonna be bad to the candidate

[grave gull]

a lot of recruiters in the market know each other lol

[mystic mica]

How long after amazon OA 3 do they get back to you?
@ornate charm

I applied around 7/31 or 8/1 when it first came out, everything else I think you can see the dates in my ss

[grave gull]

how is it not bad to the candidate if recruiters talk to each other

don't lie lol

[gleaming sluice]

@spiral glade
so ur advice is to lie directly to their face?
@old kestrel I know this but wasn't confident.

I bluffed

how is it not bad to the candidate if recruiters talk to each other
@grave gull The key is to keep the other company anonymous

[spiral glade]

how is it not bad to the candidate if recruiters talk to each other
@grave gull Bruh
You make it seem as if the recruiters share all the offers that they make
They don't
BTW I mentioned name only the startup and that you are interviewing at well known places if you have no offer

And recruiters ask that most of the time to see if they have to roll out an offer to you soon, or if they can make you wait a little for it, to interview other candidates

[cerulean pivot]

yea dude

[wind acorn]

pretty sure it is a huge breach of privacy to share candidate information to third parties

[cerulean pivot]

recruiters have their own circle dude

its fucking weird

esp university

university recruiters from diff companis have their own slack workspace

they go on zoom calls and shit

[ornate charm]

I applied around 7/31 or 8/1 when it first came out, everything else I think you can see the dates in my ss
@mystic mica ah so like 5 days?

Been 5 days for me as of today and nothing yet

[mystic mica]

@mystic mica ah so like 5 days?
@ornate charm well, it's 5 days in between each one they give you

you can see in the ss, I finished oa3 on 8/24 and

got the L on 9/11

[ornate charm]

Oh I misread 😰

[sly saffron]

university recruiters from diff companis have their own slack workspace
@cerulean pivot How did you get this info?

[hybrid folio]

didn't breadboard say something about there being like a reddit or some social space where they talk shit about the candidates sometimes ?

[copper fractal]

Haha i so want a link to that XD

[burnt marten]

Lol wait

What would be the original purpose of the circle

[hybrid folio]

shit talking

[burnt marten]

Loooool

[hybrid folio]

something off the record

i mean come on

honestly after you form like that group of people at any community or social setting

you form that circle

where you can say shit "off the record" and everyone is okay with it

same stuff with recruiters

[real prism]

alright boys just finished roblox final final round
hr manager interview
they asked about your life story, he asked for intro about yourself, and i talked about what i did recently, he ended up telling me to keep going and talked about my entire resume. usually i just talk about my last internship and latest project and thats it. no technical but did ask a few questions like c++ vs python
bar raiser
asked about short intro, i told him about my side project for like 20 min and he seemed really interested in it. then he asked a system design question about my side project. not really something you can prepare for i guess. it was asking how i can target a new market for my project and the technical side of it, like how i would design. talked about using dbs, creating accounts. he asked things like how to prevent hackers/scammers/valid emails

[lucid pagoda]

not all heroes wear capes

[real prism]

gl guys! was kinda expecting like "tell me a time when" but it was mostly about ur past experiences for 1st guy

[ornate charm]

Has anyone ever rescheduled their first round Microsoft interview

[cerulean pivot]

@cerulean pivot How did you get this info?
@sly saffron im friends with a recruiter

[grave gull]

same

[spice belfry]

how do u become friends with a recruiter

[grave gull]

hi can i be frend

[iron gate]

got the roblox final round interview date

bar raiser is an open ended question and that's about all i know

[quick panther]

if you scroll up porkstrike gave a detailed description

still waiting on my schedule

[iron gate]

oh shit

[quick panther]

i guess we just need to know our resume inside and out

[pallid pilot]

@iron gate did you just hear back today for final? I'm still waiting after onsite

[iron gate]

i heard back last week actually

they didn't confirm the interview date until today though

@pallid pilot

sorry to the other person i pinged oops

[arctic drift]

Did anyone even get the prep call

[celest kettle]

I gave my amazon interview last week (which is still under review) and now the Amazon university portal has an extra application submitted an hour back. Is this normal?

[arctic drift]

Neither my onsite nor my prep call have been scheduled

[iron gate]

didn’t get the prep call scheduled 😦

[ornate charm]

Hey guys did any of you get a final round scheduled for amazon a day after finishing ur last OA?

[tired bay]

@ornate charm Average probs like 7-10 business days day after probs rare

[sacred thorn]

Anyone know how long usually to wait for a final round interview to be scheduled?

I sent my availability but didn't hear any thing back for a week

[dry walrus]

Did anyone complete Lutron Electronics phone interview ?

[ornate charm]

@ornate charm Average probs like 7-10 business days day after probs rare
@tired bay oof my boy got it the day after hmmmm

[normal tide]

@tired bay oof my boy got it the day after hmmmm
@ornate charm i've seen people receiving the final on the same day they completed oa3 lol

[ornate charm]

Yikes I finished last Wednesday LOL

[autumn lynx]

finished last thursday

prob hear back next week tbh

[mystic mica]

can roblox just explicitly hand me my L or something already

instead of keeping me in the dark after a perfect hackerrank a month ago

[ornate charm]

Anyone here done a 30 min Microsoft interview? What can I expect ?

[dark jewel]

MS 30 min interview seems all over the place. some people got just resume roasts, some got 1 LC easy and then chatting, others got 2 LC meds, others got resume + LC easy, and some got resume + 2 LC meds

[arctic drift]

how do you do resume + 2 meds in 30 min

wtf LMFAO

[dark jewel]

there are a number of meds a lot of people just have memorized

[arctic drift]

but at that point you're not looking for thought process

you're looking to see if the candidate has breadth of problems and can memorize crap

especially if the last like 5-ish minutes are reserved for you to ask questions to interview

er

[grave gull]

if the two meds build upon each other it's very doable

[dark jewel]

their real gotcha is when they pair you with someone who barely speaks english

[arctic drift]

if the two meds build upon each other it's very doable
@grave gull but then that's a followup

not two meds

[sharp lichen]

wth why interview someone if u just roast their resume

[arctic drift]

followup makes more sense than two separate meds

[dark jewel]

a resume roast is just asking you questions about what you worked on and you being able to explain it

[grave gull]

build upon each other != followup though lol

[dark jewel]

it's a sanity check to see if you lied

[mystic mica]

a resume roast is just asking you questions about what you worked on and you being able to explain it
@dark jewel i got roasted cus I didn't get an internship junior year lol

[grave gull]

ive had questions that "build upon each other" that basically require me to rewrite the whole thing

[mystic mica]

he was like 'so why didn't you return to your previous company that summer???'

[arctic drift]

at that point I hope the med is like 3 sum lmfao

[mystic mica]

in an obviously very judgemental tone

[dark jewel]

tell him you declined it for airbnb then got cancelled

gotteem

[grave gull]

i got 2 meds + 1 hard in 45 mins once that was fun 🖐️

wait nvm karat asked me 2 meds in 20 minutes 😄

[arctic drift]

I've still never had a karat

[flint halo]

can’t get a karat if you don’t get interviews

[grave gull]

🧠

[arctic drift]

ok # of islands is like

an easy tbh

[dark jewel]

lowest common ancestor should be an easy too tbh

[arctic drift]

LCA too yeah

[dark jewel]

but they're both listed as meds

[mystic mica]

LCA is ez with parent pointer, kind of annoying without

[grave gull]

hi everyone it's your favorite neighbor hood bot here to remind everyone not to share specific questions 🙂

[mystic mica]

(Imo)

[grave gull]

otherwise bread's gna show up and lay down the hammer 😠

[dark jewel]

you got an airbnb interview this year?

how are people getting uber/airbnb interviews? i didn't even see postings

and friends internally said there isn't headcount

oh

[flint halo]

yeah they’re hiring for ghosts to haunt the deserted airbnbs

[arctic drift]

honestly I wonder what an interviewer is thinking if they're actually asking some n-sum with n > 3

like ??? are for loops too hard

[dark jewel]

it's okay. I have a target school and 3+ reasonable internships

still no interview

[flint halo]

@arctic drift there’s an OA this year that has n-sum and you TLE if you don’t do an optimization

[grave gull]

WAIT

[arctic drift]

rip asymptotic runtime

[dark jewel]

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4-HdU41Cxv4J:https://leetcode.com/discuss/interview-question/815329/ibm-oa-2021+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[grave gull]

ive done n sum before 😮

i always thought it was something else AHAHAHA

[dark jewel]

does anyone have a good solution for this?

i tried DPing it and mem exceeded

none of the solutions in the comments worked either

[sly saffron]

I got this for an

[arctic drift]

i always thought it was something else AHAHAHA
@grave gull what did you think it was

[sly saffron]

OA

[dark jewel]

tried minor optimizations like sorting and short circuiting as soon as it went over limit too

still TLE'd

[sly saffron]

I think it it can be solved using generating functions

[grave gull]

variation on 0-1 knapsack lol

my eyes have been opened

[arctic drift]

,,,,

[grave gull]

i mean

[arctic drift]

but why do work when one for loop do thing

[grave gull]

it's finding a subset of size n that sums up to k

[arctic drift]

it's same runtime no?

[grave gull]

idk

idc

im retired f this

[arctic drift]

must be nice to have offers

[grave gull]

im gna go pro in league

watch me hit silver tmrw guys

currently iron 4

[arctic drift]

you can go pro after you learn to hook

[grave gull]

sry im not a hooker

[arctic drift]

autocancel?

[grave gull]

sorry i don't cancel

im a man of my word

[zinc oracle]

Anyone interviewing/interviewed with Coursera NG SWE?

[dark jewel]

@zinc oracle did coursera have new grad postings?

[zinc oracle]

they reached out after ghc

[dark jewel]

oh

thanks for the info

[tepid sky]

someone please help. i got a 30 min final interview for amazon new grad sde. has anyone failed this type of interview?

i missed a few test cases in the second question of oa part 2 so im really surprised i got this

i HAVE to pass this interview so please how should i prepare

[devout bobcat]

Same question

I heard that its just going over OA2 but still kinda want confirmation

[tepid sky]

has anyone ever failed this type of interview lol thats all i wanna know

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in 2021_grad_process or 2021_intern_process

[digital carbon]

has anyone ever failed this type of interview lol thats all i wanna know
@tepid sky I remember someone on this server saying they got the 30min interview but then were asked an LC question

so most likely you should be fine, but be mentally prepared for worst case scenario where it's not just reviewing the OAs

[loud anchor]

recruiter said hiring manager liked me 😳

🙏

[wind acorn]

recruiter said hiring manager liked me 😳
@loud anchor glgl! is this after final round?

[loud anchor]

yea

poggers!

[tepid sky]

@digital carbon do they ask leetcode hards

[digital carbon]

I haven't interviewed with them, just saying what I've seen someone else say

[tepid sky]

alright thx

fuck man i cant fuck this up

[dry epoch]

@tepid sky you got this

[blissful adder]

^^^

[south path]

So all of October ive been mass applying to places (trying to do 3 applications a day) and I wanted to ask others what their typical rejection rate is. So far roughly 20-25% of my applications this month have been rejected with no phone or oa, the rest are pretty much silent. Is this normal? Or should I consider revising my resume a bit?

[whole yoke]

Anyone got a first round with Google Cloud Technical Residency (CTR)?

Just a few questions, pls pm

[spring verge]

has anyone heard anything at all from adobe?

[blissful adder]

So all of October ive been mass applying to places (trying to do 3 applications a day) and I wanted to ask others what their typical rejection rate is. So far roughly 20-25% of my applications this month have been rejected with no phone or oa, the rest are pretty much silent. Is this normal? Or should I consider revising my resume a bit?
@south path yeah i started in august and im at like30-40% reject, oas will come if your resume is good but converting them to phones is the key obvi

id say always be revising you resume and asking ppl to review it for you

until you really feel god about it

[tepid sky]

are u allowed to graduate earlier and start earlier than what u put on the job application if u get offer

[visual lagoon]

up to the company

[tidal hazel]

So all of October ive been mass applying to places (trying to do 3 applications a day) and I wanted to ask others what their typical rejection rate is. So far roughly 20-25% of my applications this month have been rejected with no phone or oa, the rest are pretty much silent. Is this normal? Or should I consider revising my resume a bit?
@south path started in july, late july ish, i have about a 40% rejection rate. def focus on resume keywords (try parsing it thru an ATS parser), that'll expand ur OA options, and count each OA to its upmost importance. getting past that stage is the hardest

[south path]

@tidal hazel any good ATS parsers out there? first ive ever heard of something like that!

[tidal hazel]

uhh, u can try looking some up, but this is one that popped up in this channel

https://www.jobscan.co/blog/greenhouse-ats-what-job-seekers-need-to-know/

and this: https://itsjafer.com/#/parser

[autumn lynx]

^that dudes a beast holy shit

[smoky jungle]

^that dudes a beast holy shit
@autumn lynx @coral burrow

[autumn lynx]

why is he doing anther internship instead of full time tho?

[coral burrow]

hi

i normally graduate august 2021

which is kindof a weird time to graduate for new grad apps

so i decided to do an internship and then graduate december 2021 instead

[frosty forum]

i normally graduate august 2021
@coral burrow I actually got an offer from capital one with a start date of aug 23 2021 so it may not be that weird, i think multiple companies have a start date in later august as well such as VMWare and Indeed

[coral burrow]

yeah it was def possible

but like I figured if I could snag a google internship it was worth delaying grad by 4 months

that way might get to avoid some of the 2021 hiring slowdowns too

[autumn lynx]

Oh I was just wondering why you’re doing an extra year?

Of school

[coral burrow]

oh not an extra year, I'm in a 5 year program

[autumn lynx]

Oh

Masters?

[coral burrow]

it's a double degree ting

bachelors in cs, bachelors in business

[autumn lynx]

Gotcha

[coral burrow]

@frosty forum btw jake, idk if we've spoken before but i literally recommend ur overleaf template to everyone who asks me about my resume

[frosty forum]

I think we've kind of talked before, oh that's awesome thanks

[smoky jungle]

jake's resume and jafer's parser is the ultimate combo

[frosty forum]

😎

[vapid river]

im curious about this template, link?

[visual lagoon]

in case someone is looking for his template, this is what I found: https://github.com/jakeryang/resume

[vapid river]

dam read my mind

[visual lagoon]

[coral burrow]

its nothing grounbreaking or anything

i just have ppl ask me about my resume and what template i used somewhat often

and that template is a fork of the same template that i originally used

but somewhat better

[autumn lynx]

ive seen someone from my school have that

resume

[mental frigate]

@quick burrow which company is asking this?

[visual beacon]

That's some BS, say that you need a written offer to confirm the offer and evaluate your options

Yeah that's definitely not ok - just say it would be impossible to make a decision without reading the full offer letter first

[ebon belfry]

yeah thats ridiculous lmao

[digital carbon]

Just say you'll accept it

[ebon belfry]

hahahah yeah, just renege them

lmao

[unkempt echo]

yeah throw the ethics out the window here lol

[ebon belfry]

its not in writing who cares

[digital carbon]

And then if you don't actually want it, turn it down after getting the letter

hahahah yeah, just renege them
@ebon belfry it's not even reneging if you don't sign an offer letter

[ebon belfry]

sign it and then renege them

just for funsies

how stupid is that though fr

[digital carbon]

It's as if they are screaming at you to not take the offer

Wtfff

Is this a small company?

[fleet niche]

I mean verbal acceptance means nothing, I would just say ok, look at the offer letter, then tell them its not good enough sorry lol

[digital carbon]

Gotcha. If you're probably not going to take the offer then I wouldn't bother trying to get the offer letter

In the interest of saving both sides' time and not burning bridges (considering it's a smaller company)

[ebon belfry]

be sure to tell them that what they are doing is stupid

[digital carbon]

Some companies just have wack hiring practices, might not actually be a red flag who knows. Definitely a weird practice though

[vocal carbon]

4 year commitment???????????????????????????

how do you even enforce that

lol well i want a signing bonus ferrari plz

[silver owl]

i feel like a tesla model 3 is the meme signing bonus car

[vocal carbon]

I wanna get a car but all the cities I'm considering rn aren't v car friendly so idk how to justify

[royal heron]

Has anyone given Oracle OCI interview ? Would appreciate some tips

[dark jewel]

anyone know how to respond when I asked for a written offer and the company said they dont give written offer until verbal acceptance... 🚩
is this coinbase? They did that to me last year

[silver owl]

Have you guys been following the FSD beta drop? The in car visualization looks super cool

[dark jewel]

Does anyone remember that website that people on cscq were talking about that automatically blasts apps out to companies that use lever?

[uneven pasture]

quickapply.io but it only has i ternships rn

internships

[sturdy otter]

Has anyone interviewed for Qualtrics?

[keen delta]

@sturdy otter which round are you at?

[still vector]

Has anyone done the SAP technical interview for the SVNT program yet? I have mine later today so wondering what I should prep for

[edgy seal]

Has anyone given Wepay onsite/final interview?

[tiny wedge]

@sturdy otter i finished their last round recently, waiting to hear back

[blissful adder]

Has anyone done the SAP technical interview for the SVNT program yet? I have mine later today so wondering what I should prep for
@still vector fullstack was leetcode easies on goole doc

[sturdy otter]

@keen delta @tiny wedge I'm doing the first round tomorrow lol

[formal ivy]

Anyone do a Twitter interview?

[frosty forum]

Was anyone part of the 2020 TDP class at Capital One? I'm wondering if they rescinded offers due to covid.

[fierce inlet]

@frosty forum I have friends who joined last year

[analog goblet]

I believe they didn't rescind any offers

[frosty forum]

Cool, I assume the experience so far has been full remote?

[analog goblet]

Yeah the whole company was remote last summer.

[frosty forum]

That's good to hear, don't want to sign an offer then rescind bc of another covid wave

[crude pivot]

i got rejected for their coda program

😦

[frosty forum]

If anyone else wants to contribute I made a reddit post with some more questions: https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/jj4dti/class_of_2020_capital_one_tdps_what_was_your/?

pls updoot

[old kestrel]

What is TDP

oh tech development program

[tight marlin]

@frosty forum can't speak for fulltime TDP but I was a TIP (TDP but for interns), they sent us spec'd out macbooks for the summer and didn't rescind any offers. Not sure about the rest but they've been taking the entire pandemic seriously and do not want to risk anyone going back to office prematurely. They've already been using zoom and gsuite for years and were one of the first companies to have all employees work from home

[old kestrel]

@frosty forum aren’t these all just minor questions u should direct to ur recruiter

[tight marlin]

yeah that's a good idea

[frosty forum]

My recruiter has been unresponsive for a while

And I’d rather have the perspective from someone actually at the program

[sly saffron]

Anyone here ghosted after the Doordash OA?

[ornate charm]

Amazon L after 3rd OA

Love it

[sly saffron]

@ornate charm How much did you score on OA1 and OA2?

[rustic ruin]

did MS close apps?

[mystic mica]

@ornate charm How much did you score on OA1 and OA2?
@sly saffron this doesn't really matter too much imo, people have done well on OA1/2 and got an L, people . have done okay-ish onOA1/2 and passed, so I think it comes down to OA3

[open surge]

Hi People, I have a technical phone interview with Amazon AWS team (Berlin) in one week. As per googling, I am guessing that they will ask again about DS and Algorithms. Any tips for preparing the interview ? Any help is highly appreciated. Thanks.

What is OA1/2? I am new to discord. Where should I look for the information?

[ornate charm]

I got Hundred on both OA

None wrong

[blissful adder]

Anyone do a Twitter interview?
@formal ivy they started interviewing?

[sly saffron]

@mystic mica I find it somewhat strange that people are doing that bad in OA3.

[mystic mica]

I can only speculate, because we don't really have any way of knowing how they pick who moves on

but yeah, it seems a bit strange

What is OA1/2? I am new to discord. Where should I look for the information?
@open surge OA refers to Online Assessment

Amazon gives out OAs to new grad and sometimes SDE1 positions, there's 3 parts so we say OA1, 2, etc.

[true folio]

anyone who has given apple onsite ever please dm

[open surge]

Amazon gives out OAs to new grad and sometimes SDE1 positions, there's 3 parts so we say OA1, 2, etc.
@mystic mica Oh okay, thanks. Recently I have done OA, I dont know that is 1 or 2. I got 66 but they called me for a technical phone interview.

[mystic mica]

uhh hmm

It might be different for Europe

[open surge]

may be

[mystic mica]

there's usually debugging for OA1, 2 leetcode questions for OA2, and OA3 is like a workplace simulation quiz

there's no score that they tell you

[open surge]

I got 3 leetcode questions for OA

[mystic mica]

hmm

seems different for EU I think

that's not the one that most of us get

[open surge]

First two was Array related and third one was Graph. I didnt complete the Graph

seems different for EU I think
@mystic mica Oh okay

[south path]

Anyone here ghosted after the Doordash OA?
@sly saffron I took the OA for Doordash 17 days ago and haven't heard a peep. I didn't do incredible but I thought I did well enough... guess I'll just wait and see

[sly saffron]

@sly saffron I took the OA for Doordash 17 days ago and haven't heard a peep. I didn't do incredible but I thought I did well enough... guess I'll just wait and see
@south path Same with me. I finished the OA 17 days ago.

[south path]

lol maybe no news is good news

[sly saffron]

Yeah, at least there is some hope better than a reject I guess.

[ornate charm]

Doordash responded to me in a day

Maybe u should email a recruiter or something?

[noble crag]

How long after doing the GM HireVue were people hearing back one way or the other?

[sinful hawk]

How long after doing the GM HireVue were people hearing back one way or the other?
@noble crag 3 days after hirevue, 1 day after code test

[south path]

Maybe u should email a recruiter or something?
@ornate charm I never had a recruiter reach out to me, just automated emails, can I find recruiters that I can reach out to?

[ornate charm]

Ill give u a recruiter email dm me

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in 2021_grad_process or 2021_intern_process

[ornate charm]

Anyone ever have a rex real estate phone call?

[visual flower]

is 80k a good offer for Canadian start up ?

[cursive loom]

depends on location

but kinda, yeah

esp if its vanc/toronto

[visual flower]

montreal

[cursive loom]

hmm idk then

[keen delta]

@keen delta @tiny wedge I'm doing the first round tomorrow lol
@sturdy otter first round 45' - 60', behavioral + coding (easy/medium) good luck brother

[sturdy otter]

ok cool, thanks man

[keen delta]

@tiny wedge How many rounds in total ? Thanks.

[tiny wedge]

3 rounds (phone, on-site hiring, manager) but the on-site is 3 coding interviews

so 5 coding interviews total

[hasty stratus]

is 80k a good offer for Canadian start up in montreal

[pallid pilot]

I've heard Montreal is really cheap to live in, so I'd think that's pretty good

[tiny oak]

use a cost of living calculator and compare it to other startups' salaries in different cities

i think 80k in midwest/no state income is around 140ish in cali but that's not TC just salary

and it's also skewed somewhat by housing costs

[radiant glen]

Would a microsoft recuriter ever call you to give you a rejection?

or only for offers?

[hasty stratus]

Sorry, the startup is in Montréal but position is remote so I should've mentioned that

[sly saffron]

@south path If you get any reply from the doordash recruiter please let me know

[south path]

will do!

[latent cipher]

@radiant glen fwiw I got my rejection via email

[radiant glen]

@latent cipher after final?

[latent cipher]

yes

[mystic mica]

Has anyone done the final interview for Fidelity? (it's hirevue -> phone screen with HR -> final round) If so, was it leetcode or just OOP concepts and stuff?

[magic sable]

Did anyone hear back from Cloudflare?

[mystic mica]

Did anyone hear back from Cloudflare?
@magic sable they said to give them ~2 weeks right? I'm personally gonna give it one more week before I start wondering about their response

[stark otter]

So neeva just sent a mass email saying they stopped recruiting after my deadline yesterday
I spent 2 days on the damn Oa website thing
i did not get the email so am I in consideration?

or did they just waste my time

[dry mural]

gg

prob wasted time

[stark otter]

nice

A bloomberg HR scheduled a call with me, i havent applied online to any positions this was through hacker rank

any idea what the call will be ?

its a phone call

[tiny wedge]

lmao didnt neeva send a take home project?

[stark otter]

yeah

i spent two days making a whole ass website in react

with 3 features

[spice belfry]

it's prolly a phone screen @stark otter

[stark otter]

oh really?

fuck

[visual beacon]

lol be a savage and put it on github

[tiny wedge]

jesus thats so scummy

[stark otter]

I would love to schedule sometime to chat over the phone with you and learn more about your background and what you are looking for in your next role.
this is what they said

i will tf was that man

I got the project last monday

[tiny wedge]

shoulda just sent in a full stack hello world

[stark otter]

why even send it

if you are finalizing people

i will upload the whole ass OA on a throw away acc

[spice belfry]

this is what they said
@stark otter maybe not then? idk. you said you didn't even apply??

[stark otter]

yeah

[torn ivy]

Did anyone here negotiate with Microsoft?

[autumn lynx]

i will tf was that man
@stark otter bruh recruiters contacting you? im just out here getting ghosted after emailing them

[stark otter]

i havent applied to thier position on careers website

yeah man i was not expecting

it was through the hackerrank career fair

first of its kind

i did give a test there so i guess it counts as an OA?

[viscid zenith]

Did anyone accept the offer from Amazon? I have a question.

[tepid sky]

how long after filling out the survey for final interview scheduling does amazon get back with confirmation?

[crimson shale]

@tepid sky i got mine same day

[autumn lynx]

when did you fill out the form?^

@crimson shale

[crimson shale]

8:40pm

got a response 9:34

[tepid sky]

damn i did mine last night still no response

[autumn lynx]

yesterday?

fuck me too lmao

[tepid sky]

do interview slots ever run out?

[crimson shale]

no, this was the 21st

[autumn lynx]

ah

did u put down a lot of options

[crimson shale]

@tepid sky the email does say "first come, first serve". not sure if they overschedule tho

[autumn lynx]

for all days?

[crimson shale]

yes, i put down virtually every time/day that was possible for me (including skipping most classes)

[autumn lynx]

oh i put most times for wednesday thursday friday lol

[crimson shale]

im sure that will be fine

[tepid sky]

so basicaly if ur late theres a chance u cant even interview

thats so fucked

[autumn lynx]

i think the slots disappear if theyre not available

[crimson shale]

im not sure about that. it let me select anytime in the whole week

it wasn't like a signup - it was "when are you available"

[autumn lynx]

i remember for internship last year there were slots that werent available

who knows tho

[worthy spear]

how is it fucked? theres a limited amount of interview slots, if you miss it 🤷

[autumn lynx]

why not just show the open slots and let you choose which one?

[worthy spear]

because you are interviewing with a team/org so your time needs to match with theirs

[stark otter]

and you proved you are qualified to not go on a first come first serve basis too

[worthy spear]

but they dont owe you a job/interview

[stark otter]

true

but they did select you for next rounds right

thats weird

[warm jolt]

anyone know what salary is for ATT for SE

[devout bobcat]

anyone know how long it takes for amazon to give you the specific interview time(30 minute one) after filling out survey

[autumn lynx]

because you are interviewing with a team/org so your time needs to match with theirs
@worthy spear but you are matching your time with theirs. They give their time and you select which one you can do

[queen burrow]

Are people asked to design a system during Bloomberg's manager round?

[stark otter]

is this one after HR

people with exp are i think

Anyone that has not got Amazon OA 1 ?

the university jobs website says application submitted (i did it back in Aug) but on the main site it says under consideration Oct 23

Just wanna know if i have missed an email for the OA

[sweet vigil]

Anyone that has not got Amazon OA 1 ?
@stark otter me

[stark otter]

what does you status say on both sites?

[sweet vigil]

On the uni portal it says app submitted (Aug 7) and jobs says app incomplete

[stark otter]

oh

okay

mine says under consideration for some reason

I hope it doesnt go to direct resume reject without OA

2 friends of mine got that

[sly nebula]

anyone done the 4-interview citrix final round? wondering if it's just standard leetcode style interview q's

[sweet vigil]

mine says under consideration for some reason
@stark otter did you apply with referral?

[stark otter]

nope

[sweet vigil]

Huh weird

Ugh pls Amazon gimme my OA already

[stark otter]

yeah bruh like 15 people around me have got all the way to offers

one of them is doing robotics degree with no sde exp but the parser has put my profile on hold

[vocal carbon]

How's Morgan Stanley's final round like?

[wind acorn]

holy that asana comp 👀

[autumn lynx]

its L3 tho?

[pallid pilot]

@vocal carbon got to final for Montreal (might be different for NYC idk), first interview was a common LC Med and then a common OO Design problem, second interview was some trivia and then a very abstract algorithm design problem. Nothing too crazy I just didn't prepare design stuff

[vocal carbon]

@pallid pilot I'm doing montreal too actually, thanks for the info!

[rocky carbon]

anyone know what salary is for ATT for SE
@warm jolt depends on location but roughly ~100k

[pallid pilot]

@vocal carbon nice, good luck!

[wind acorn]

its L3 tho?
@autumn lynx L3 is university hire?

[autumn lynx]

idts

prob had a masters or pdf

*phd

[daring bough]

@autumn lynx @wind acorn L3 is their uni hire

check levels.fyi

[autumn lynx]

why would they call it that lol

[grave gull]

cuz google has l3 as entry lol

[tidal hazel]

what's the top TC we've seen on new grad salary channel so far? just curious

[cerulean pivot]

hrt/citadel

Anyone know the TC for affirm?
@quick burrow https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html?track=Software Engineer&search=affirm

add a filter for new grad

i think u can assume 135k base

30k a year stock min

but yea idk

[languid solstice]

msft gave me a negotiated offer with signing bonus split into 2 years...is that normal lol...the original offers signing bonuses are only 1 year right?

i honestly didn't pay that close attention but i'm pretty sure that was teh case

[marble pond]

what do you mean split

like you receive when you start and 1 year after?

[near forge]

Has anyone taken SAP's OA? If so, how is it?

[languid solstice]

like you receive when you start and 1 year after?
@marble pond yeah, so over 2 years instead of just 1

[marble pond]

what do you mean 1

usually you get signing bonus when you sign or start

not after 1 yr

[languid solstice]

yeah so now, i get half when i start and half after 1year

just wondering if that happened to anyone else? i'm pretty sure that's not normal so prolly will try to negotiate that again

[marble pond]

not normal last yr idk this year

[languid solstice]

cool thanks 🙂

[autumn lynx]

Has anyone taken SAP's OA? If so, how is it?
@m.#5601 which one

[marble pond]

@languid solstice have u seen the msft ft salary sharing sheet

[languid solstice]

yeah i have

im assuming all those signing bonuses are over 1 year

[marble pond]

ok cool yh

[languid solstice]

personally tech, and did you try negotiation? @worthy spear

[whole yoke]

I want to thank you for taking the time to interview with us recently. At this time, your application is still under consideration, but interviews are currently full and we’ll continue to have you in mind if more interview spots become available. We hope to be able to update you again by late November or sooner.

Is this a soft reject from Microsoft for new grad swe?

[marble pond]

what about the work

[whole yoke]

I have already accepted another offer from a different company .. should I tell MSFT I have a pending offer etc?

[bold gull]

Anybody know how many rounds of interviews JP Morgan has for full time SWE?

[languid solstice]

@marble pond one has to do with cloud and the other one is cybersecurity consulting
@worthy spear depends on what you want to do in the future. if it's to progress as a swe, would go with the tech company

[marble pond]

do you have info on what team

@whole yoke no, they literally run out if interview spots and whether u interview will depend on how many pass interview or reject offer

u can say competing offer if you really want but it shouldn't make a difference

[whole yoke]

so what's my best move here?

Should I just let them run their course here?

[marble pond]

nothing lol you can't do much

[whole yoke]

Or tell them I have an offer

told google I have an offer

they set up an interview

I think I need to start bluffing more

too much I have played it safe

If I didn't tell Google, they wouldn't give a damn about me

[marble pond]

just make sure to colsemail your recruiter every now and then so you're at the top of their mind when they open up interviewing again

[whole yoke]

Screw it, I'll pull a bluff

[languid solstice]

Or tell them I have an offer
@whole yoke you should tell them, but don't expect them to do much about it

wouldn't hurt though

[whole yoke]

Ok @marble pond @languid solstice thnx

I think recruiters just do everything by chance

and if we remind them, we do have a good chance

else we'll just be forgotten

Everybody starting replying once I mention I have an offer

till then they just ignore. sad reality.

Anybody heard from Twitter? I just got an email that someone viewed my application and then a linkedin notification that someone at twitter viewed my profile and then nothing...

[stuck hull]

What's the process after phone for bloomberg?

2 technical after phone?

or including phone?

bruh rip thats a lot

Are the other two technical similar to phone?

[bold gull]

Is the 1 technical 1 behavioral interview for JP Morgan the final round?

[whole yoke]

I have cramed before the day since the beginning of college

I mean i had no other option because I didn't study till 1 day before the exam rofl^

[autumn lynx]

You think it's better to cram the day before interviews or relax?
@eager glacier make sure u get like 8 hours of sleep but besides that I’d say cram

[digital carbon]

You think it's better to cram the day before interviews or relax?
@eager glacier relax. cramming probably won't help and will likely just make you more stressed

[autumn lynx]

Lol

[digital carbon]

I mean i had no other option because I didn't study till 1 day before the exam rofl^
@whole yoke o I think they're saying for an interview

For exams, 100% cram

No better way to study if you're purely trying to maximize grades

[whole yoke]

exactly

[digital carbon]

even if it seems high, top tech companies have kinda low yield overall

[tidal grotto]

the hard part with M is getting the interview

They ghost most people

[digital carbon]

because if someone is good enough to get an offer from msft, they'll probably have offers elsewhere too. with each additional offer, the chances of the person taking any one of those offers goes down

By yield you mean candidates accepting?
@eager glacier yea

I wouldn't be surprised if pass rate is 50%, that doesn't seem unrealistic?

right, like most people get filtered out early on

[worthy spear]

Has anyone emailed a recruiter for an update and NOT get a rejection?

[dry epoch]

I did, I emailed a recruiter almost a month after and it got me a phone

[worthy spear]

@dry epoch that gives me some hope but I decided not to email my recruiter 😂

[high thunder]

F

[stark otter]

oof

[worthy spear]

Yikes

[vocal carbon]

is it a bad idea to email a microsoft recruiter if i haven't received even a phone lol

[stark otter]

I just say fuck it and do it tbh.

[vocal carbon]

kk gotta find a recruiter email now lol

[stark otter]

its like taking a no before trying

haha yeah

[vocal carbon]

ya worst case i dont get anything which is the same as rn lmao

[stark otter]

yup

[whole yoke]

People here are waiting for weeks after their phone screen

But no harm tryin

I got my update today and it was - "Hi All...."

So I guess there are loads of people in the same situation after passing their phone screen

[vocal carbon]

Ah is that the one where no interview slots left?

[whole yoke]

yeah

[vocal carbon]

crap, good luck

[whole yoke]

lol. I have already accepted an offer at another plae

place*

[autumn lynx]

It shows initiative to reach out to a recruiter. I’d say do it if you haven’t heard anything for a couple weeks

[whole yoke]

but told the recruiter I have a time sensitive offer

The main thing I have learnt from this discord

"Accept, renege and never look back"

Companies like uber etc just renege as if we're sacks of potatoes, so why can't we?

[autumn lynx]

Just gotta take calculated risks

Be wary when reneging

[whole yoke]

nah.. If I get FAANGMULTAD, I'll renege any other non FAANGMULTAD

[vocal carbon]

loooool that bit me in the ass this time
i partially accepted(said yes-no for a while and then no) an internship offer for the summer after negotiating it etc
recruiter initially said contact for ft recruiting, but i guess i stretched it long enough

applied for ft by emailing her, got rejected the same day hehe

[whole yoke]

during covid companies reneged like craxy

[stark otter]

ouch

[whole yoke]

dude... never renege a big company

[vocal carbon]

i wasnt 100% confirming bcz covid was just setting in

[whole yoke]

But at the end of the day, if the company wants you and you're valuable, they dont care

I know folks quitting amazon to join other companies and then return eventually to amazon

[vocal carbon]

worst part is the offer i ended up taking ended up being hella boring (nice company and people but my project was just not interesting to me)

[whole yoke]

its all a trade deal

yeah, that happens

[vocal carbon]

ya 3 of the companies im interviewing with rn are ones i'll accept if i get an offer, so i'm hopeful now

would just go back to one of my internships if i dont get them

[whole yoke]

which 3?

[vocal carbon]

nah.. If I get FAANGMULTAD, I'll renege any other non FAANGMULTAD
@whole yoke lol one of my friends got reneged on the day before he was supposed to start. Company kept saying everything is ok and the internship is on, see ya next week and then on friday: nope

[whole yoke]

dude. was that company samsung that reneged?

[vocal carbon]

2 small 10-50 person yc startups and a trading company

nah some toronto startup

[whole yoke]

samsung told everyone hurrah hurrah we'll take you ! and then week before friend gets a call from recruiter saying we're sorry we cant take you

luckily he had 4 offers