2021_grads

[grave gull]

that is so stupid

[cursive loom]

inb4 hiru: abolish intern mode

[wind acorn]

i just got my akuna compensation call for the C++ role, they pay interns a higher base salary than new grad full timers lol
@unkempt echo but you probs have a phat performance bonus right

[high thunder]

uh

[cursive loom]

im p sure TC favors new grad for sure

but like

still

[unkempt echo]

the bonus is not that high either lol

[high thunder]

probably because interns dont get a bonus

[unkempt echo]

can dm me for details

[high thunder]

#new_grad_salary_sharing

[unkempt echo]

gonna put all my stuff on there at once once im done with everything

[wind acorn]

where are you leaning currently @unkempt echo ?

[unkempt echo]

im getting nuro numbers today, and i still have two sigma onsite to do

[high thunder]

👀

[unkempt echo]

but its probably between citadel, nuro and prospective two sigma at this point

[high thunder]

akuna that weak ??

[grave gull]

NOORO

[arctic drift]

Do they not match

[grave gull]

be on the forefront of that cute self driving car

[arctic drift]

you should get everyone to match everyone else to get super stonks $$$$

[grave gull]

no way nuro is gna match trading offers

[wind acorn]

i wonder what the wlb is at akuna

[unkempt echo]

lool i dont know how akuna would match

[wind acorn]

ive heard horrible things about citadel but

[unkempt echo]

its roughly half the citadel comp

[high thunder]

lol

[unkempt echo]

very roughly

[arctic drift]

2s and Citadel maybe?

[grave gull]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-hakuna-matata-lion-king-timone-and-pumpba-gif-14654405

[arctic drift]

Though I know 2s is usually also way smaller than Citadel/HRT/JS

get that sweet WLB + $$$$

[unkempt echo]

2s is a hedge fund though rather than a prop trader - i dont think the tech work there will be interesting for me

big focus on data management for quants over market making and speed

[grave gull]

cit has bad wlb 😮

[arctic drift]

^

[grave gull]

so that leaves nuro 👀

[arctic drift]

I don't think Nuro's gonna pay 400k tho LOL

[cursive loom]

for sure not

but im p sure they still pay a lot

[grave gull]

barring individual financial circumstances, TC is highly overrated

[high thunder]

why

[arctic drift]

I disagree solely based on the fact that if you get that super stonk TC early on, you can do whatever you want later on and still be swimming

[grave gull]

it's also individual interests right

[arctic drift]

My individual interest is 🤑

but also on a more legitimate note

[unkempt echo]

i just want a dog

a big golden retriever

[grave gull]

if i get enjoy work for 50-100k less vs hating it i'd most likely take it given that after a certain level it's just fuck you money

[unkempt echo]

and a house for the dog

[arctic drift]

You can go either way, but it's probably easier to go from high tc to low tc than vice versa

half of your fuck you money goes to the government xd

[grave gull]

idk if you've had a job you hate before

but it fucking sucks

[wind acorn]

I don't think Nuro's gonna pay 400k tho LOL
@arctic drift probs not but

[high thunder]

its not fu money

its second house money

[grave gull]

i was straight up trying to get myself fired at <redacted> because I hated it so much LMAO

[high thunder]

its porsche money

[grave gull]

see but hiru just wants a dog

[wind acorn]

we should be working to live not living to work

if what i hear about citadel is true wrt wlb

60 hours/week is not sustainable long term

[arctic drift]

I mean I don't think you should be planning on staying at your job for more than

a few years

esp not citadel

Isn't it meta rn to basically transition jobs every few years

[grave gull]

given the right place

a couple months is more than enough to drive you crazy

[arctic drift]

Later on I'd probably settle but idk if I'd want to settle early on

[high thunder]

nah bro

life it

[unkempt echo]

akuna has bad wlb too

[high thunder]

dont go to a place planning ot leave

always focusing on the 'next thing' is how u end up depressed

you shouldnt leave uless something else presents itself

like why are you planning on leaving

that means you dont wanna be there

to start

[vagrant raft]

Corgo is right

[coral coral]

Sage corgo

[arctic drift]

https://www.fastcompany.com/3055035/you-should-plan-on-switching-jobs-every-three-years-for-the-rest-of-your- (there's lots of other stuff like this out there)

Like I agree with your mentality

But also you're kinda just resigning yourself to stay stuck in the same field at the same time for the rest of your life as well

I do think there is some merit wrt having a diverse array of types of companies or whatever

just as there is with the idea of staying at where

ver

[high thunder]

just vibe bro

[arctic drift]

but like what if you end up liking HFT way more than prop trading, or just the management side at like MSFT or something

[high thunder]

if you wanna get 'up there' and you have 3y/3y/3y

nobody cares

obviously if you are interestd in something else try to go there

[cursive loom]

honestly, id hate having to interview over and over every 3 years

cuz thats means u start prepping after 2 years of work or so

and then grind leetcode and sysdesign interviews

[arctic drift]

I mean tbh I'm not planning on moving every 3 years for the rest of my life

[wind acorn]

this whole discord is hustle culture

[arctic drift]

But I think it might be fun for the first decade-ish

or something

idk

[grave gull]

dragon some of us are just trying not to get our asses deported lol

[high thunder]

dag

somehow i ended up doing exactly what i told myself id do like 6 years ago

lol

by accident

fat detours

[wind acorn]

@grave gull well obv immigration reasons are diff no? isn't it beneficial to stay at companies longer for immigration purposes since there's no guarantee you'll get citizenship with this f'd up lottery system

[grave gull]

see before worrying about that

i first need to get a high paying job

LMAO

[arctic drift]

But I think it might be fun for the first decade-ish
I also feel like different locations is also fun

like starting in SF or NY or smth might be fun

but I'd want to end up in like Seattle or smth

[high thunder]

move to a different office

[arctic drift]

that's fair

[high thunder]

it can be done

then u keep ur clout

[wind acorn]

i first need to get a high paying job
@grave gull true true sorry i over spoke--was more referring to @arctic drift's viewpoint as "hustle culture" vs @high thunder

or maybe im just completely misunderstanding everything lol

[grave gull]

yeah nw no offence taken 🙂

[arctic drift]

Yeah idk if 400k is worth the wlb of citadel for me

[grave gull]

just stay until you want to leave and/or are looking for something else lol

[high thunder]

its 400k for a reason lol

[grave gull]

money chasing only gets you so far; work with smart and nice ppl and you'll be a lot happier 🐹

[stoic yoke]

Is Citadel WLB hard and long or just long tho? I think I'd be okay if the hours were long but if the work is hard and stressful plus long hours that's a different experience

[arctic drift]

I think it's both

what would be the point of long hours if you didn't actually do difficult work during half of them

time to play runescape at work

LOOOL

[high thunder]

playing minecraft while ur shit builds

[arctic drift]

build a circuit in minecraft while real circuits do all the work your code is doing

[tiny oak]

is there a website or something for relative income based on where you work

[high thunder]

def

[tiny oak]

like what is the equivalent salary of someone working in nyc vs nowhere land

[arctic drift]

just check if a place is HCOL vs MCOL vs LCOL

[high thunder]

https://www.salary.com/research/cost-of-living

[arctic drift]

HCOL good TC avg ~150-200k LCOL really good TC avg ~100k?

[flint halo]

there’s col calculators

but also re. taxes there’s some nuances

[arctic drift]

oh yeah taxes can fuck shit up

[flint halo]

like no income tax in WA looks appealing but if you want to buy property it’s a big yikes

[high thunder]

yeahh

[arctic drift]

isn't Seattle considered hcol

[high thunder]

meh

[arctic drift]

not as high as SF obvi but

I thought most places regarded it as HCOL

[high thunder]

i have a fat pdf on CoL in tech hubs

lemme ask if i can share

[flint halo]

yeah rents are expensive but way better than sf imo

people bring up the income tax argument a lot tho

ya I heard tx is bad too?

[arctic drift]

I thought TX was cheap

[flint halo]

for property tax

[arctic drift]

I thought properties weren't super exp tho

I also live in CA tho so like

[high thunder]

https://www.cbre.us/research-and-reports/Scoring-Tech-Talent-in-North-America-2019 here this talks about real estate, good way to gauge CoL. also https://www.cbre.us/research-and-reports/North-America-Tech-30-2019

[arctic drift]

l0l

[flint halo]

but idk you can still buy a massive ugly McMansion for $600k so

also implicitly I think people really underrate vibe when trying to decide where to live

[tranquil relic]

wheres the vibe check pdf for these cities

[flint halo]

like you care about trying to date in SF as a guy

[tiny oak]

dream is either salt lake city or colorado springs been to both and both are super nice

[flint halo]

slc has the worst air quality in winter

lol I sound like a downer about everything oop

[tiny oak]

how wtf

like industrial caused?

[arctic drift]

like you care about trying to date in SF as a guy
@flint halo just live in NY

[flint halo]

it’s in a valley

[arctic drift]

then you're only competing with Finance BrOs

[tranquil relic]

like you care about trying to date in SF as a guy
@flint halo just date other guys

[arctic drift]

flex on their patagonia vests

[flint halo]

on god some people are allergic to taking public transportation

[arctic drift]

tbh US public transp is kinda a$$

like look at Japan

[unkempt echo]

look at singapore lol

japans is pretty bad compared to singapore

[arctic drift]

Singapore doesn't let you chew gum

we don't go there

[unkempt echo]

lmaoo

[flint halo]

i agree but I’d still rather deal with MTA/MBTA shenanigans than try to drive in ny or boston

[tranquil relic]

look at <any 1st world non-us country>

[unkempt echo]

get fined $5000 for bringing durian onto the subway

[high thunder]

lol

[arctic drift]

i agree but I’d still rather deal with MTA/MBTA shenanigans than try to drive in ny or boston
@flint halo does anyone drive in NY though

like obviously people do but

yeah

that's what I meant

[flint halo]

that’s what I’m saying, you need to vibe check your city

[arctic drift]

just be CEO and buy a private jet

don't need to vibe check your city when you can just fly above the peasants

[flint halo]

like if driving is important to you, nyc/boston is not the place

same with weather, vitamin D supplements can’t fix everything

[arctic drift]

yeah seattle highk rainy all the time

Seattle would be perf othw imo

for me at least

nature be like

[tiny oak]

wym depressing cloudy rainy weather is lit

[arctic drift]

at least it's clean rain though

none of that LA rain crap

LA rain is dirty

[flint halo]

im just glad I can postpone learning how to drive in snow even more

[arctic drift]

snowboard to work

[tranquil relic]

what are the metrics for thosee

[arctic drift]

Who the hell works in DC

[flint halo]

Atlanta solely powered by Georgia Tech and Square

[tranquil relic]

toronto and dc 69 lets gooo

[high thunder]

https://www.cbre.us/research-and-reports/Scoring-Tech-Talent-in-North-America-2019

[arctic drift]

I feel like DC would get overpowered by like trading firms in NY though

[unkempt echo]

love atlanta

[arctic drift]

gov sector in general

obviously not apparently but

[high thunder]

its kinda hilarious how much higher avg rent is in nyc

4k vs 2.8k sfo

[arctic drift]

NYC rent is nutty

[dry mural]

depends where u wanna live

manhattan yes

bklyn isn't as bad

[digital carbon]

Just wanted to share an InstantRegret moment
I had a Bloomberg interview scheduled in 2 weeks but I emailed my recruiter if I could do it next week instead due to a deadline. Recruiter cancelled my original interview and gave me new times. The only times I was given to reschedule was from 4:30AM-8:15AM. I asked recruiter if I could get more times or just go back to my original date. Now I have no interview until the recruiter responds. T_T
@queen burrow are you interviewing for the london office or smth? that's the only way I see this being possible. the engineers on my team sometimes didn't even wake up until 9:30 lmao

[arctic drift]

there's fewer SW Devs in Seattle than in NYC

TIL

[high thunder]

probably seattle proper

[arctic drift]

and growth much smaller

ohhh

that makes sense

RIP redmond

[high thunder]

but also

think bout how many ppl in nyc

population

[grave gull]

redmond >> seattle downtown if you're old and just wanna chill

[arctic drift]

settling in redmond >>>>>

[tranquil relic]

chicago w 5% growth rate 🙂

[arctic drift]

pop makes sense but also w/ that logic LA should be up there too

and LA cs is practically downright poop

[dusky nest]

Hey guys, was wondering if anyone has interviewd w roblox for their new grad 2021?

[arctic drift]

yeah only 46k

45k***

[high thunder]

Chicago probably weak bcs trading firms may not be considered tech comps

[arctic drift]

^ that might also fuck up NY

[tranquil relic]

@dusky nest me

[unkempt echo]

LA sucks

overrated city

[arctic drift]

SM is ok

LA itself is uh

eh

at best

[unkempt echo]

im in santa monica rn

is ok

[arctic drift]

the stores at the pier are nice tyvm

[unkempt echo]

DTLA is nice for like

2 blocks lol

[arctic drift]

Nah

even the 2 blocks are crap

[unkempt echo]

and then you get to like the toy district

and it gets super sketchy

[arctic drift]

it's kinda sus

no matter where you are almost LA is relatively sus

[unkempt echo]

lool

venice beach has been ok

[arctic drift]

except for like bev

[high thunder]

only bummer ab nyc is its not super close to wine country

wait

apparently there is

[unkempt echo]

nyc has everything

[high thunder]

cool

[warm stone]

dry inbox week

[unkempt echo]

everythings just pricy

and they have bad weather

[high thunder]

thats y u just have to get paid a lot and eat $1 pizza

[arctic drift]

NYC has good shopping

😎

[unkempt echo]

lool

even dollar pizza is going away 😦

[arctic drift]

Fashion District babyyy

What’s dollar pizza 😮

[high thunder]

lol

all the retail

in manhattan

is rekt

bcs corona

[unkempt echo]

u have to survive off chopped cheese in nyc now

[high thunder]

vacancy up up up

[unkempt echo]

only affordable food

[arctic drift]

Rip Barney’s

Will be missed

[high thunder]

in gg voice, 'omg lets go to bendel's after class'

rip bendels

upper east side surprisingly not expensive for 1b/1b

[tranquil relic]

shoutout to everyone (incl me) just chilling in this disc and not studying

[lucid pagoda]

^^

[high thunder]

Yep

[uncut citrus]

For those who got into Stripe, wtf did your resume look like?

[digital carbon]

I think they just weren't hiring much to begin with

[cursive loom]

Probably just converted interns

[digital carbon]

Lots of companies are preferring to fill headcount with interns

[uncut citrus]

They also had 5k applicants on LinkedIn alone for the role

very curious how they selected the few hundred that they even looked at though

[coral coral]

CL?

Ye, interned with him

this winter

He's insane

[rigid elbow]

Is that guy parttime student?

[tranquil relic]

what is CL

[arctic drift]

who*

[rigid elbow]

how*

[arctic drift]

does he also go to the world-renowned university called U of Florida

[unkempt echo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CL_(rapper)

[tranquil relic]

oh nice, good for her!

[unkempt echo]

very impressive resume

[arctic drift]

damn singer AND has a stacked github

must be nice

[storm badge]

What

This is a Korean pop star

[arctic drift]

sorry I forgot to add the /s

[tranquil relic]

no thats a stripe full time employee

[storm badge]

Tf HAHAHAHA

[cold coyote]

her github is stacked i hear

[arctic drift]

don't forget the multiple internships

[naive shadow]

my hackerrank challenge for nuna is 4 hours time limit... did they just give extra time? or did they pack the qs to be that long

like bruh

[arctic drift]

take it and let us know

[unkempt echo]

the optiver hackerrank had a 72 hour time limit

[tranquil relic]

like..72 hours to take it and submit 72hr for the actual questions

[unkempt echo]

it was only 2 questions

but they gave 72 hours for them

yeah i didnt think it was bad i was just bringing up an example of an OA with a ridiculous time limit lol

in context ^

[cursive loom]

I remember twitter oa a few years ago gave you like

24 hours to finish it

So I took the whole 24 hours just doin gother stuff as well

And then got ejected

Outta my plane

[unkempt echo]

lmao

[wind acorn]

When are they going to start reaching out for Twitter anyone know?
@eager glacier lol twitter 👻 like snap

[cursive loom]

Twitter said no fly zone

Loool

Reject game in point

[wind acorn]

i think they got back to my friend in April of last year for final rounds >_>

[worthy spear]

snap ghosts tf outta people bro wtf

[wind acorn]

actually idk if it was even final rounds LOL

[worthy spear]

question: to anyone applying to new grad FT positions without any prior internships, have you guys gotten past the OA stage?

[winged patio]

Does anyone know if there are any resources like this discord server but aimed at like people in the industry? This server has been super helpful and I want to be a part of something like this even after I graduate.

[bronze canopy]

GenMotors recruiter just cold called me to lmk they were sending my app to the hiring managers, and I may be hearing about a final 2 hour skype interview !!!??? Felt like a weird part of the process to call me at but hype nonetheless

[unkempt echo]

maybe admins can make a "class of 202x" channel idk

[wind acorn]

if we could make a general CS career advice section for more mid-senior level peeps that'd be cool

but idk

it might just be inactive lol

[winged patio]

I browse blind lol but I don't know if I would be willing to add it to company email.

I still think it would be cool to have a discord like this one 😛

If this server is just focused on this year it would age with us but if it keeps getting new people we could just grow the industry channel.

[magic sable]

Did anyone hear back from Blend or Twitter?

[rustic sable]

Anyone know what Clear Street’s codesignal is like?

[wind acorn]

do y'all think that in a few years a MS is gonna become the new BS?

[devout bobcat]

imo yes

[wind acorn]

hmm fair

what if we weren't talking about CS?

[devout bobcat]

but imo you learn more in MS though

I learned far more in MS than in BS

[vagrant raft]

I’m just worried about codeforces becoming the new leetcode
@eager glacier yea same, looks like we are heading there honestly

[wind acorn]

i.e do you think that if we wanted to switch careers paths would we require an MS to get an entry level position in a role that requires just a BS now

[vagrant raft]

Due to all the leetcode grinding

People Grinding = harder interviews = people grind more

Yea true

I've heard of people literally cheating on phones and virtual onsites

It really is rampant

Using 2 computers

Some cheat using 2 computers

They send the questions to friends on the 2nd computer

Yea there was something about this on blind

Where someone had there friend through their headphones

but did the interview through the computers speakers

I think we need harder resume screens

Like DE shaw

Rather than harder OAs

[tranquil relic]

please no i already get resume rejected by everyone

[vagrant raft]

Yea idk recruiting has become a complete shitshow

[tranquil relic]

@sinful meadow i wish

[vagrant raft]

Is it this hard to get interviews when you are experienced?

Or does it get easier lol

Lol

Yea but by time we are seniors

[tranquil relic]

right now it seems like its easier with 2~ yoe, but in 2years maybe it wont be 😄

[vagrant raft]

There will be a lot of seniors lol

Yea true we shall see

If not, its banana stand forever for us @sinful meadow

[cobalt cliff]

Anyone had citrix interview today?

[tiny oak]

i mean everything is bs nowadays OAs getting cheated on and bunch of people cheat or at least stretch the truth on resumes

bc like once you're in you're in

yeah no i get that but im saying that everything is literally being cheated on

having harder resume screens prob wont do much

[tranquil relic]

^

[tiny oak]

bc a bunch of people lie on resumes

i mean i say I know swift but I don't think I could do an interview in swift LMAO

I just say it because I want to do mobile dev

[tranquil relic]

amazons entire process is literally cheatable and you can just rng the 30minute interview and get a job

maybe not the LP assessment but that one isnt hard

[tiny oak]

yeah you shouldn'[t say you worked at FAANG but for like projects you can be like yeah im working on a personal project that does x and as long as you can bs talk about it you don't even have to program it

like just come up with the idea and how it will work

slap that shit on the resume ezpz

when they ask for the github link say its private or a bug came up idk LMAO

[tranquil relic]

wait let me write this down

[copper fractal]

Tf i just got Optiver OA and its 72 hrs

[tiny oak]

like i put my senior design project on my resume recently

haven't written one line of code

but we have the diagrams and work split up

so I know exactly what I'm doing and could probably talk about it for 10 minutes if someone asks

its so much like college admissions u just have to bullshit your way to get noticed that's the hardest part

[arctic drift]

I learned far more in MS than in BS
@devout bobcat I didn't lMAOO

I feel like the people in my MS program are uh

not as smart as the people in my Undergrad program

[devout bobcat]

depends on the school i guess?

or the courses you choose to take

[arctic drift]

I go to a decent MS program I think

and like the uh

Algo course I took was imo easier than the undergrad version

(this is the same school, accelerated masters)

[devout bobcat]

yeah that's true for my school as well

[arctic drift]

taking ML/AI rn but didn't take that for ug so lol can't really provide a comparison there

[tiny oak]

are any airlines besides alaska airlines hiring new grad?

[devout bobcat]

but other courses that weren't available to me in undergrad were helpful

[tiny oak]

i checked delta a while ago but they weren't hiring entry level

[arctic drift]

but other courses that weren't available to me in undergrad were helpful
your school didn't let you take master's courses as an undergrad?

[devout bobcat]

I took ML/AI in UG and I can only say we learn the concepts more in depth

nope

[solid moth]

if operating systems aren't stated in the job req, do companies still ask OS questions during interviews?

[cursive loom]

some do

im getting asked low level stuff

for a swe position

[solid moth]

does the position you're interviewing for require C

[arctic drift]

if it's like a low level position

i.e. like a trading system sw dev for a trading firm

you bet your ass you're getting asked OS questions

LOL

[fleet niche]

Which companies besides Databricks and RH give general assessment codesignals? I need to cleanse my bad score from last time but every company is giving company specific ones now :((

[winged patio]

@rustic sable Its 4 lc easy

@fleet niche They probably realized all the people taking it earlier would have better scores so companies started doing their own

[celest kettle]

Did anyone take BNY Mellon Data Science Hackerrank?

[autumn lynx]

@rustic sable Its 4 lc easy
@winged patio which OA?

[wind acorn]

are any airlines besides alaska airlines hiring new grad?
@tiny oak oh shoot i forgot about airlines 👀

Have you checked Southwest?

[tiny oak]

nope

[wind acorn]

nope they're not hiring at all it seems

makes sense

[tired bay]

Airlines can’t afford to hire people

[winged patio]

@autumn lynx clear street

[autumn lynx]

was it easier than the regular code signal from RH and DB or around the same?

[near finch]

Yeah airlines are doing terrible rn, only airline I like is Southwest. They’re trying hard not to layoff employees, lots of higher ups taking paycuts.

[mellow vault]

I applied to Boeing and American
Boeing rejected

[simple hazel]

yeah 100%. theyll adjust comp to the state you're gonna pay taxes in

If you go completely remote, not just remote due to COVID

[cursive loom]

i dream of that day

[tranquil relic]

i mean if u live in low col then u get effectively get paid more even if comp goes down

[simple hazel]

lol well those TCs are heavily influenced by stock, not base pay. So I dont think those will be going away

[copper fractal]

Does anyone know what Optivers TC is?

[rigid elbow]

Id honestly prefer office than wfh just because i want daily human interaction

[old kestrel]

`Thank you so much for your interest in joining Stripe! We have had a number of qualified applicants and are on track to fill our class in all of our US offices.

We have made the difficult decision to not move forward with your candidacy at this time, but want to thank you for your patience while we reviewed all of our submissions. We encourage you to revisit our jobs page next fall to see what opportunities might interest you.` thx for the 3 month later update

[rigid elbow]

Someone go find a startup just to hire all of us here plz thnx

[simple hazel]

**create

[dreamy charm]

Is it bad to reapply for jobs if the first time around you didn't get an update?

[queen burrow]

Asked this in leetcode-discussion but got no response so I thought I'd ask here. On Leetcode, I've gotten into the habit of writing inner functions within functions because I didn't have to pass all the variables I needed as arguments. Should I avoid doing this during technicals?

[grave gull]

it's fine

[quick panther]

no i do that

[tidal hazel]

that nordstrom relocation 👀 (p sure it was a typo lmao)

[arctic drift]

whytf would anyone need 50k to relocate LOOOOL

[unkempt echo]

you're telling me you dont take a 50k private jet to fly?

[patent lichen]

Can anyone suggest what kind of questions are asked in quora OA

[worthy spear]

can anyone give advice on how it's like applying to FAANG as a new grad with no prior internships?

is it 99.9% rejections?

or at least some callbacks?

[flint halo]

out of FAANG only A, A and M are accepting apps rn

[worthy spear]

^so not for particularly right now, but just in general, lets say pre-covid job market

[dark jewel]

is apple actively interviewing new grads?

i know their apps are open, but i haven't seen any interviews

[flint halo]

there have been a few people who got siri AI rotational interview

[unkempt echo]

@worthy spear i got my first FAANG interviews from my school events (career fair, company specific events, etc)

[flint halo]

also I don’t think any of us can speak to new grad recruiting in prior years, maybe 2020 grads can?

[visual lagoon]

Are you guys going to apply for 2022 new grad roles if you don't get anything this year?

[worthy spear]

@unkempt echo I really want to know because I'm a junior rn with no internships, and my upcoming interviews are looking TOUGH. I just want to know, that if I didn't get anything for this summer what my opportunities would be post-graduation

@unkempt echo you mind if I dm you?

[unkempt echo]

yeah go ahead

[flint halo]

have you gotten callbacks from less tough companies

[worthy spear]

@unkempt echo sent u a FR so disc can allow me to dm you

[flint halo]

maybe consider doing research or TAing?

[worthy spear]

and lambda, yeah I have, I have a few backups

with companies near my school

I go to UNC Charlotte so a couple of local companies here in Charlotte, NC

[cursive loom]

faang isnt be-all end-all

[flint halo]

fwiw I only had one internship at a non-tech and got ok response rate

[cursive loom]

there are some good unicorns that are hiring

[unkempt echo]

faang is an outdated term anyways

[cursive loom]

true

u are right

[unkempt echo]

FAANGMULA is more accurate

[flint halo]

asana and rh give you a chance

[unkempt echo]

faang mula

yeah it doesnt have meaning for new grads

[flint halo]

ULA got yeeted by covid

[unkempt echo]

i was also just joking lol

theres fun acronyms on reddit ppl make

[plain spade]

FAANGMULA is bad

FAANGMANSLUTS is the real acronym

[patent lichen]

Did anyone attempted Quora OA

Do they record the video or just the screen activity

I gave robinhood but that didnt have any recording

[solid terrace]

i tihnk they recorded both

[winter ice]

anyone gotten capital one yet

[lucid pagoda]

@winter ice Yeah, My homie got an offer

[winter ice]

was the interview hard?

[lucid pagoda]

He did 3 hours

[winter ice]

yeah theyre 3 hours long

[lucid pagoda]

That's all I know lol

[winter ice]

mostly worried about case interview

haha np ty

[lucid pagoda]

@frosty forum Help this dude?

[frosty forum]

Yo

[real prism]

i had the interview last year, the case interview was basically a bunch of if statements and they asked you whats wrong with the code

[frosty forum]

Was it about ING direct acquisition?

Yeah you discuss business and technical pros and cons for this acquisition for this bank that was completely online. You walk through their codebase and improve it, then they have you do a truth table. Ez shit

Idk if it’s going to be this exactly, but I saw another guy who took it last year and he had the same exact problem

[winter ice]

damn none of those things are things ive ever had to do wtf

i mean the improving the code sounds fine

but the rest is what

thank you!

[tired bay]

Yeah I had that same problem last year as well, they are notorious for having a small question bank so if u got the LC premium list u golden

@winter ice

[frosty forum]

Or just look at Glassdoor

Also, for the technical I got missing number from list with a follow up, some cryptogram and then I had to implement a LRU cache basically, at least the pseudo code

[mystic mica]

Yeah you discuss business and technical pros and cons for this acquisition for this bank that was completely online. You walk through their codebase and improve it, then they have you do a truth table. Ez shit
@frosty forum lmao so they haven't changed that since last year

[frosty forum]

Holy shit lmao

[mystic mica]

yeah cus I got that question lol

it kinda seemed intimidating at first but

then ur like 'ohh'

[tired bay]

Not surprising tbh

[tiny oak]

LRU cache is aids

[mystic mica]

if they let you assume the doublylinkedlist is already implemented it's not super bad

[tiny oak]

true

i'm just hoping the medium sized medical company near where i live will be hiring an SD1 by the time I graduate

so I can have a job

[mystic mica]

so I can have a job
@tiny oak same

can one of those people who got 20 offers donate some

[grave cargo]

ask if u can use linkedhashmap for lru cache LOL

my interviewers haven't rlly cared after I explained it

if u code in Java

[mystic mica]

My only concern is that they might tell you it's ok but then not pass you because it kills the whole point of the question lol

[tiny oak]

well if you can explain it wel and the code works then idk why they would care

[mystic mica]

because the point of asking any question is not for you to call a library function to solve it

that's like getting asked to sort an array, it's implicitly applied that they don't want you just doing "return arrays.sort()"

of course you should always clarify

if they're ok with slapping a linkedhashmap and calling it a day then sure

but if I got asked lrucache i'd assume they want me to make the doubly linked list and everything

[grave cargo]

yeah but if u can explain how it works why would they care

[stoic yoke]

Explaining how it works tends to be easier than knowing how to implement it though imo

[fervent sequoia]

!process red balloon security oa

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in 2021_grad_process or 2021_intern_process

[frosty forum]

but if I got asked lrucache i'd assume they want me to make the doubly linked list and everything
@mystic mica that’s what I did, it’s a safe option and it’s not that hard if you know the basic steps. I actually messed up on private add and remove methods for the doubly linked list and the interviewer made me walk through it and I realized my mistakes and fixed them.

And they technically just asked for pseudo code but I ended up implementing everything

[flat drum]

hey

did anyone do imc final round?

[dapper vale]

for what position?

[marsh rose]

anyone know how to contact recruiting at amazon? done with my interviews and all, but I don't know how to let them know that I have an upcoming deadline

[naive shadow]

@marsh rose email [e-mail]

assuming you interviewed for sde

[marsh rose]

thanks a lot mate!

for what position?
@dapper vale sde, my bad

[ornate zenith]

Has anyone received OA for Amazon Canada?

[drowsy cloak]

Does performance in technical round have any impact about what to ask in design round for Bloomberg?

[tiny wedge]

is the roblox virtual on-site the last round?

[winged patio]

I heard there are like HR interviews after

[urban hemlock]

Christ you ppl are such fucking dicks for putting sad reactions on posts in salary sharing

Thank god I can leave this toxic ass place

[lucid pagoda]

wait, wut. I can't see any reacts on salary sharing

[frosty forum]

Not anymore lol

[tiny oak]

i shouldve gone into chemical engineering chemistry is so dope

too late now time to get this bread

[drowsy cloak]

Ah okay

[bronze canopy]

How did you all feel about Akuna's hackerrank oa

[high thunder]

i thought it was cake

the C++ one

[bronze canopy]

Yee I did python3 it was like 2 LC easies and a medium , but took me a little longer than it should have bc I their were some edge cases I missed

Wondering how much they take into account the time it took to complete on a 140 min assessment

[autumn lynx]

I got the first two right and then missed some cases on the third. Ended up getting rejected

For python

I thought the third one was medium -hardish. It was like some graph problem

But I suck at that so

[wise stream]

Are you guys getting interview calls for sde new grad roles?

[arctic drift]

people are getting callbacks if you look at the process sheet, if that's what you mean

[astral garnet]

Do you have a lot of C++ exp @high thunder ?

[high thunder]

@astral garnet yes

[wise stream]

@arctic drift where can I find the sheet?

@arctic drift I was wondering if there is something wrong with my resume/profile or it is the Covid impact!

P.S I am not getting any calls since a month

[arctic drift]

"2021_grad_process"

sorry

@wise stream

Just see who's getting phones

[cunning needle]

Is anyone still waiting to hear from Amazon univ, I applied two months back and still havent got anything .

Should I mail them about this?

[tiny oak]

they don't seem to be very active at emailing, my portal got updated to "no longer under consideration" but I haven't gotten official reject email yet

they prob super backed up

check ur amazon.jobs and university portal to make sure it's still either "app submitted" or "under consideration"

[high thunder]

lol

[autumn lynx]

Didn’t they say they’re porting everything to Amazon.jobs

They’re getting rid of university

Is anyone still waiting to hear from Amazon univ, I applied two months back and still havent got anything .
@cunning needle same haven’t heard anything mine says under consideration and application submitted

[wild otter]

@autumn lynx Yeah same here, sucks cause I made it to final for an internship last year and wanted to redeem myself.

[autumn lynx]

Yea same. Tucked up on the final interview

Did you apply for any spring Laotians?

Positions

Also have a referral but I feel like it doesn’t help that much with amazon

I thought they give everyone the OA

[wild otter]

I applied to the spring new grad and I have the same message as you, under consideration ...and it’s been about a month lol. I saw a local office posting for 2020 non new grad L1 so I’m wondering if when it’s closer that they’ll do the same for ‘21

[tiny oak]

i had final interview for internship last yr as well i didnt even get OA this time around my app said under consideration for like a couple days then went to no longer under consideration on both

[wild otter]

And yeah last year everyone got an OA, but not sure how they’re filtering this year. I heard the beginning 3 stages for new grad were the same as the intern questions I got last year lol, maybe that’s why

[tiny oak]

i think it was related to system checking if you applied within 6 months?

bc I applied to winter internship

but idk

[wild otter]

Outside 6 months for me but I did put I’ve applied in the past so maybe that was a mistake

[tiny oak]

new grad position != internship position idk why it would count for that

had referral too

life is pain

u guys must take my flag and finish the job

[wild otter]

This year especially lol

[autumn lynx]

Yea I applied to spring internship so that was less than 6 months ago

[sharp flame]

Question

Would y’all take amazon or Hubspot for new grad

Amazon pros: higher TC, better growth and learning, resume boost

Hubspot pros: Fully remote, unlimited PTO, better WLB in general

[arctic drift]

unlimited PTO shouldn't be a perk you should really be looking at -- iirc it's basically good in idea but people take less vacation time on average bc you're pressured not to (or something liek that)

Are they both in the same location

[dry mural]

i feel like hubspot would have better job security

but amazon is nice on resume and nice Tc

but your team is RNG

[arctic drift]

Amazon has good job security if you don't megasuck 😎

if you're on AWS you'll get your ass worked off but you'll also learn a lot

which is something you can do in early years -- but only if you want to

[sharp flame]

Amazon is Seattle, Hubspot is technically Boston but has choice of fully remote

[arctic drift]

Do you want to live in seattle

[sharp flame]

Yeah Seattle is chill I have no issue with it

[arctic drift]

How much does fully remote matter to you

are you ok with the weather lOOL

some people dislike constant rain

[dry mural]

i mean you could live in Seattle

in both situatins

though you would be 3 hrs behind

[sharp flame]

Tbh I worked remote for the last year at my co op and really enjoyed the lack of commute so fully remote is really enticing. Like I start work at 9am and wake up at 8:59am

[dry mural]

yeah

i mean it seems like you kinda are leaning to Hubspot

in my opinion

[arctic drift]

I think it comes down to is the difference in tc worth no commute

for you

lol

[dry mural]

^^^^

seems like you want a more WLB

[arctic drift]

people have different prios

[dry mural]

and less commute

[sharp flame]

Do you guys think I would be hindering my career long term by passing up Amazon on my resume

Like would it be harder to get into top companies like Google/FB later on

[dry mural]

I personally don't think so since Hubspot is a big company

[arctic drift]

not really

getting a job is easier after new grad

you'll get interviews either way

for FAANG

[dry mural]

^^^^^^^^

[fierce inlet]

@sharp flame have you already received your offer from hubspot?

[sharp flame]

@fierce inlet got verbal offer after onsite, no concrete numbers yet

[fierce inlet]

@sharp flame oh interesting, they told me that I'd know after 2 weeks

[sharp flame]

@fierce inlet yeah I told them about my competing offer so I think they hurried up for me

[digital carbon]

Job prospects would not be harmed by joining hubspot, but I thought their WLB is pretty bad? From the research I did when I got an internship offer from them. Also apparently it's kind of a cult-y company, idk if that's something that matters to you. Imo I'd take amazon given those choices

And yea unlimited pto is sketch

[fierce inlet]

@sharp flame I'd also take Amazon - personally would take the L on WLB for a few years and leverage that later

[digital carbon]

Fwiw Palantir has "unlimited" PTO but I've heard of people taking very little vacation because of pressure from their team to deliver

[sharp flame]

@digital carbon I think their rep of bad WLB was based on that book written by them years ago and i've heard they've revamped their WLB since then but idk, that's a good point though. Why'd you end up declining their internship offer?

[flint halo]

also you don’t get paid out for unlimited pto if you don’t take it

[digital carbon]

@digital carbon I think their rep of bad WLB was based on that book written by them years ago and i've heard they've revamped their WLB since then but idk, that's a good point though. Why'd you end up declining their internship offer?
@sharp flame because the other choice I had just better suited my preferences (other choice was bloomberg in nyc for reference)

[flint halo]

mayb a good deal for execs

[digital carbon]

@sharp flame I'd try reaching out to current employees on linkedin and trying to figure out the wlb situation to confirm if it's really improved

Never take HR's word on this stuff

Because remember that HR and the interviewers are there to impress and convince you to join the company, they're not going to willingly tell you what actually sucks about the company

Btw I dont wanna discourage you, just saying do your own hw

[sharp flame]

True, i've heard Hubspot manipulates Glassdoor reviews too so that's iffy. Probably will hit up ppl on Linkedin or ask on Blind or smth before making a final decision

Thanks everyone for ur inputs

[digital carbon]

blind is unironically a good place to ask, people are more willing to talk about the negatives of their company if they can do so anonnymously

[digital carbon]

true, but either way you're going to see certain things only mentioned on blind because of the anonymity and because it's not as easy to manipulate as glassdoor. I do agree it's important to not let the overall negativity of blind sway you in one direction.

[unkempt echo]

dont blindly follow their advice

[digital carbon]

hehe ic what you did there

[cerulean pivot]

Would y’all take amazon or Hubspot for new grad
@sharp flame what are u optimizing for?

[worthy spear]

Wait I’m just curious why you would like permanent WFH. you won’t get to meet new people and you’ll hermitting at home all week long. Plus imo tech officers are really nice and have nice perks I get WFH appeal to older people with kids but not really to new grads and people in their 20s...

[sharp flame]

@cerulean pivot my goal is to maximize long term TC, was hoping to move to FB/G after a few years. @worthy spear Tbh avoiding commuting is enough reason for me to want permanent WFH.

2 hours a day commuting x 5 days a week x 50 weeks a year = 500 hours a year saved from not commuting

[worthy spear]

Why don’t u live within walking or biking distance?

Wait wtf a 2 hour commute...?

[sharp flame]

I mean I guess you could live super close but then you'd be living in a super expensive place

I was commuting 45min each way at my co op before everything went virtual

[worthy spear]

Boston isn’t too expensive

Yea hoensrly anything over 20 minutes one way is prolly too long

[sharp flame]

Hubspot is in Cambridge which is real expensive

[worthy spear]

Oh ok yea ig but idk not seeing anyone would be pretty bad too

[balmy slate]

im willing to spend a couple hundred more each month on rent if it means i dont have to be home all day with 0 social interaction.

[worthy spear]

im willing to spend a couple hundred more each month on rent if it means i dont have to be home all day with 0 social interaction.
@balmy slate yea I’m 100% in the same boat

Plus tech offices are completely different from offices in other industries

[vagrant raft]

im willing to spend a couple hundred more each month on rent if it means i dont have to be home all day with 0 social interaction.
@balmy slate yea lmao

Is 200 bucks a month really worth no lifing it at home?

[sharp flame]

If the only social interaction you're getting is from work then you have bigger problems to worry about tbh

[vagrant raft]

If the only social interaction you're getting is from work then you have bigger problems to worry about tbh
@sharp flame yea no doubt

But it is where you spend most of your time

[worthy spear]

If the only social interaction you’re getting is from work then you have bigger problems to worry about tbh
@sharp flame that is true as well but working at a tech company is such an easy way to meet people esp if ur new to the area

[vagrant raft]

what do you want to do for most of the daytime

Sit at home coding while taking small breaks to watch porn

Lmao

[worthy spear]

Lmfao yea during working hours you really won’t have any interactions with others

[cerulean pivot]

@cerulean pivot my goal is to maximize long term TC, was hoping to move to FB/G after a few years. @worthy spear Tbh avoiding commuting is enough reason for me to want permanent WFH.
@sharp flame are you aware of hubspot new grad offers? if not i can dm you

[sly saffron]

Hi, Does anyone know how the solutions engineer, forward-deployed engineer, and software engineer platforms role differ for C3.ai? Which one is closest to the usual software engineering? Also is there hackerrank test different for different roles?

[cerulean pivot]

(the numbers behind new grad offers)

its substantially lower than amazon

[sharp flame]

@cerulean pivot No I don't, haven't gotten the numbers yet

[cerulean pivot]

115k base / $20k over 4 years in stock

[sharp flame]

Damn

[cerulean pivot]

and some perf/sign on bonus

but yea

[balmy slate]

@sharp flame i meant during work hours lol

[worthy spear]

Wait 20K per year?

[cerulean pivot]

no

lol

[sharp flame]

How old is that offer?

[cerulean pivot]

its recent

[worthy spear]

Oh 5K a year of stock?

Damn

[cerulean pivot]

yea 5k a year

[worthy spear]

Is hubspot public

[cerulean pivot]

i told my recruiter i misunderstood her and thought it was 20k a year

[daring bough]

hi joey

[cerulean pivot]

yea they are

[sharp flame]

How high do you think that could be negotiated

[cerulean pivot]

not very

[sharp flame]

With amzn offer

[cerulean pivot]

i already tried

[worthy spear]

Damn why even give stock just give an extra 5K in salary

[cerulean pivot]

the payband for it isnt that crazy for entry level

it is better to go to amazon if ur goal is to maximize tc

[worthy spear]

Stock is so employees have interest in the company doing well. 5K isn’t incentive enough imo

[cerulean pivot]

and it will be an easier transition to interview into g/fb

since u have teh "social proof"

i mean i dont think u even need the social proof, but yea

i think u will learn more at amazon

[worthy spear]

What’s social proof?

[cerulean pivot]

on a resume

[worthy spear]

Ah ok

[cerulean pivot]

its like "oh if he passed amazons bar, he can probably pass __ "

its an implicit bias lol

[worthy spear]

I think amazon over hubspot any day tbh

[vagrant raft]

Lol me and rad not getting much social proof from amazon

Only Henry does

[daring bough]

@vagrant raft you've gotten a lot of interviews tho

[vagrant raft]

True but none from faang

[worthy spear]

Amazon is really good at L6 and beyond tho

So going to Google fB isn’t a must

To maximize TC down the line

[cerulean pivot]

dude amazon is great

u will learn a lot

[sharp flame]

First time i've ever read that

[cerulean pivot]

yea because the people who have good experiences have no real reason to speak out lol

[sharp flame]

That's pretty true

[cerulean pivot]

the issues that exist in amazon in regards to bad wlb isnt an amazon specific problem

[tired bay]

Yeah I have talked to people and they said the “bad culture” is a little over hyped

[cerulean pivot]

people are just stupid

every company has bad teams

[worthy spear]

Amazon does have a huge PIPing culture tho

[sharp flame]

Blind is full of disgruntled employees venting

[cerulean pivot]

yea pip culture is a thing but again as long as ur motivated/willing to learn i dont think it will be a problem

[flint halo]

fb also has pip culture

[balmy slate]

my team at amazon last summer was chill. no one worked over 40 hours and my mentor said we only avg 1-2 sev 2 per oncall rotation.

[sharp flame]

LE?

[tired bay]

Yeah piping is def more of a thing at Amazon

[cerulean pivot]

most of amazon blind is LE ppl complaining. there are ofc some valid complaints
@sinful meadow im not denying the validity of the complaints

[worthy spear]

Wait everyone needs to gtfo blind lol

[cerulean pivot]

im saying that u only hear from a vocal minority

[vagrant raft]

Amazon was decent wlb for my team

[cerulean pivot]

uwu

[worthy spear]

Blind is absolute trash. The college confidential for tech

[vagrant raft]

But amazon does have a low rating on blind lol

Compared to other comapnies

[worthy spear]

Citadel has a low rating and I doubt any of u would reject citadel

[balmy slate]

theres prob truth to amazon being poorer wlb than other companies. its prob just a lil exaggerated as most things online.

[worthy spear]

Really...

[cerulean pivot]

ive read a lot about uber having bad wlb

[flint halo]

tc can’t buy everything

[cerulean pivot]

my team works like 35 hour work weeks max lol

[worthy spear]

Why? Citadel comp is insane

[cerulean pivot]

but u never hear about that

because why would people say anything

[vagrant raft]

How was uber joey?

[worthy spear]

I’m pretty sure that’s exaggerated as well

[vagrant raft]

Are you going back?

[cerulean pivot]

everything outside the internship program was 10/10

[sharp flame]

Is on-call rotations a common thing in the industry or is that another Amazon specific thing

[cerulean pivot]

the whole remote thing made the internship program bad

[balmy slate]

@sharp flame fb got oncall as well

[flint halo]

on call is many places

[tired bay]

On call is a normal thing

[cerulean pivot]

Is on-call rotations a common thing in the industry or is that another Amazon specific thing
@sharp flame industry standard

[flint halo]

anything that’s core

[balmy slate]

you can get smacked by on call pret hard if youre on a high-ticketed aws or amazon api team lol

[worthy spear]

What would u all say is the best faang to work for

[balmy slate]

not all retail is equal dude

[flint halo]

best is subjective

[vagrant raft]

True on call on some aws lambda teams was horrendous

[balmy slate]

rEtAiL iSnT aS gOoD aS aWs

[sharp flame]

Does switching teams require going thru another interview loop

[coral coral]

Ah, I see ive been summoned to shit on Citadel's wlb

It is very bad

[cerulean pivot]

it was bad

because of ur team culture

right

ppl think just cuz 1 bad team = entire company bad .

yh i think its more common

[coral coral]

Yea, It is team dependent and my team was bad

Obv cant make a blanket statement for the company

But on average its bad

[balmy slate]

@coral coral how many hours do u think an avg swe worked a week?

[coral coral]

I did 60-70 but median is probably closer to 50

[balmy slate]

50 isnt too bad considering you might work that at amzn or fb lol

[vagrant raft]

I think the median at amazon and fb is less than 50

Some teams are that bad though

Even at google and msft, some teams are 50 hrs

[tiny oak]

the small medical company i'm lurking waiting for an opening for has a benefit where every 5 years they pay you the cost it takes to go on vacation somewhere outside of US

idk if thats common or not never heard of it before

covering the cost to go on a trip somewhere that's super cool

[obtuse stone]

FB has something similar, after 5 years you get a paid month off to recharge

[daring bough]

Ah, I see ive been summoned to shit on Citadel's wlb
@coral coral

[tiny oak]

oh that's pretty cool too

[tired bay]

Yeah fr 👀

[digital carbon]

almost makes it seem worth it to do a phd

almost

[flint halo]

opportunity cost of doing a PhD is like close to a million

assuming that you would have been swe otherwise

[vagrant raft]

its a masters/phd role
@sinful meadow some people get it with bachelors

But they are big brain

[tiny oak]

what does an applied scientist do lmao

[digital carbon]

opportunity cost of doing a PhD is like close to a million
@flint halo yea I just realized, esp with TC growth at tech companies it's definitely not worth it in general

[tidal grotto]

what do y'all think of Amazon vs Bloomberg. TC is similar, amazon in a city (not seattle) that I like as much as NYC.

[tiny oak]

bb much better from what i;'ve seen

and idk i dont think tc same? maybe bc of stock? i thought bb pays a lot more

[vagrant raft]

Amazon nyc pays about the same as bloomberg full time

[tidal grotto]

I was an intern at amazon, plus MCOL so I put them at about the same

*TC wise

TBH I'm leaning Bloomberg but my mom was like what is that lol. Want to make sure I'm not taking a resume hit

[vagrant raft]

I would take bloomberg due to nyc

[vagrant raft]

Things to do, restaurants, bars, more social atmosphere

Compare that to a suburb like Cupertino

[warm stone]

yeah, difference between city and rural area

[keen sequoia]

Lake Tahoe?

Humboldt?

plus, in CA you can head to SoCal and see a rocket launch; a group of us did that in one of my internships.

JPL open house is usu in summer, also. I'd def take a trip down for that from the Bay. ❤️

[digital carbon]

@tidal grotto do you have an idea what teams you'd be on

I'd guess not for bloomberg, but maybe for amazon idk

[arctic drift]

I kinda favor nyc over the other tech hubs too, but why do you all prefer nyc?
@eager glacier dating prolly better too in NYC if you’re mingle and ready to single Lmaoo

I'd think the nightlife in NYC is better

isn't it supposed to be on the better end

[shell quarry]

Any knows Quora compensation? Even roughly? I keep hearning it's "high" but I don't have a single datapoint whatsoever

[grave gull]

quora comp is not that high

[arctic drift]

paper money

[grave gull]

let's say they're paying some amount below the standard unicorn offer this year for base salary, but higher than G/FB base

[patent cloak]

They’re decent. If you have the time I say go for it but IMO it’d be more productive to do 3 hours of DP problems on leetcode. Just doing lots of problems really nails down the patterns

[vapid river]

Just pray u dont get one in an interview, odds are u prob wont

[tiny oak]

anyone hear from john deere or state farm

[smoky jungle]

this general motors hirevue is dumb as fuck. its the same questions 5 times

[autumn lynx]

yea dumb shit. and for the coding assessment they literally give you 2 test cases lmao

[proven badger]

Does anyone here have leetcode premium?

and if so do u think it’s a good investment?

[noble nest]

I bought it after my current offers so definitely not necessary, but its nice to have for the locked + company specific questions

[analog goblet]

Yea I think it’s worth it if you plan on grinding. It’s nice to have the solutions and company qs so easily available if you’re doing 1-2 questions+ per day

[tired bay]

I think it’s useful for like the 1-2 months during peak season outside of that no

[tidal hazel]

yep^ agreed

[rocky carbon]

Also nice to have a fire under your ass to actually grind leetcode

to not waste ur 36$/month

[tiny oak]

i've just been doing blind 75 tbh

[tidal hazel]

any tips for what i can do in the three days before an interview? i know theres no big improvements i can make but other than just grinding leetcode

[tiny oak]

do mocks with people either online or in a call with yourself and record yourself answering random behavioral questions

[rocky carbon]

^^ behaviors are underlooked

[vapid river]

Def worth, one of my interviewers was looking for an approach that only showed up in the locked solution portion. Discussion doesnt always have everything

[tight ibex]

Hey, anyone knows how to solve this?

[frosty forum]

@lucid pagoda ^ I'm getting flashbacks

[lucid pagoda]

fuckkkkkk

[frosty forum]

@tight ibex 4/52 (chance of drawing king) * 1/2 (split into two?)

idk

[lucid pagoda]

Bruh, this is like 1 over 52 choose 4

and some other shit

[rocky carbon]

should be 4/52

[visual lagoon]

isn't it just 4/52

[rocky carbon]

the deck being split in half doesnt affect the probability

[lucid pagoda]

^^^

[visual lagoon]

imagine you are splitting the deck in to 52 piles and find the chance of getting a king from one of them

still 4/52

[frosty forum]

this is why i got a C in discrete

[tired bay]

But u only chose a card from 1 pile which could have 0-4 Kings based on split the split does matter

[tight ibex]

imagine you are splitting the deck in to 52 piles and find the chance of getting a king from one of them
@visual lagoon Thanks , that sounds good

[tired bay]

The sample space goes from 52 to 26 it’s def not 4/52

[lucid pagoda]

so it's 52 choose 26 since you start with 52 end up with half the deck times 52 choose 4

This is why I also got a C in discrete. Lol

[autumn lynx]

Weird just 4/52

It’s

Cus of symmetry right

[digital carbon]

imagine you are splitting the deck in to 52 piles and find the chance of getting a king from one of them
@visual lagoon yea I agree, splitting the deck is just noise in the question

[rocky carbon]

But u only chose a card from 1 pile which could have 0-4 Kings based on split the split does matter
@tired bay yes, but the new pile will have 2 of the 4 kings on average. So (2/26 = 4/52)

[ocean geode]

Im in the middle of taking the cisco OA and the website im taking the assessment on just went down due to maintenance...anybody know what I'm supposed to do in this situation?

[main rapids]

variant questions hehehe:

• A pack of 52 playing cards is split into 2 decks of 26 cards randomly. You are then to choose two cards from one of the decks. Probability that both are Kings?
• A pack of 52 playing cards is split into 2 decks of 26 cards randomly. You are then to choose one card from each of the two decks. Probability that both are Kings?

[frosty forum]

Can we ban this dude?

[visual lagoon]

Without thinking too deep I would say both are 4/52 * 3/51, but I'm not sure

[main rapids]

@visual lagoon can't be, because on your second choice you are restricted from choosing a card from the same half-deck that you drew from on your first choice

[tidal lynx]

wouldnt they just be 2 random cards in either situation

[rocky carbon]

I think it is 4/52 * 3/51 as well

In the second question, how is that different from just drawing two cards from the original deck?

[main rapids]

@rocky carbon in the second question, you are required to draw the second card from the other deck that you drew from for your first card, so your choices are definitely fewer than 51

[tidal lynx]

doesnt seem different from 2 random cards to me

[coral coral]

Wait, for scenario one suppose you split the decks by simply cutting the deck into two. Drawing 2 cards from the half that came on top is equivalent to drawing two cards from the top of the original deck. For the second scenario, suppose you split the deck by dealing cards into alternating piles. Again, drawing a card from one then the other is equivalent to drawing from the original deck

I don't see how splitting the deck affects the probability at all

[rocky carbon]

^^ this is a good way of thinking about it

[ocean geode]

For scenario one,i think you first have to calculate the probability of both kings going to the same deck

[nova maple]

Anyone heard back from Roblox?

After their virtual onsite round?

[wheat flicker]

Anyone heard back from Roblox?
@nova maple no, but I was told during mine that it'd probably be a few weeks as they are interviewing hundreds of applicants

[normal tide]

Does anyone know how long it takes for Amazon to get back on our emails? I got OA but I couldn't open it. It is showing an error.

[light willow]

@normal tide I'm facing the same issue....when did you try? I was trying since half hour back

[normal tide]

@normal tide I'm facing the same issue....when did you try? I was trying since half hour back
@light willow Yeah me too. Okay, then it's not just with me lmao

[light willow]

That's a relief, lol

[normal tide]

That's a relief, lol
@light willow yep

[main rapids]

ok, for the folks who were interested in the card deck question (by now all of you lost interest though lol): "Drawing 2 cards from the half that came on top is equivalent to drawing two cards from the top of the original deck" isn't a true statement, because your second draw is restricted to the same half of the deck of your first draw, so the denominator of your second draw should be 25 (half 52 minus the 1 for your first draw). this is the correct logic for the first variation:
4C4 * 26/52 * 25/51 * 24/50 * 23/49 (aka prob that all four kings land in the 26 slots of the first half deck in a random permutation) * 4/26 * 3/25

• 4C3 * 26/52 * 25/51 * 24/50 * 26/49 (prob that exactly three kings land in first half deck) * 3/26 * 2/25
• 4C2 * 26/52 * 25/51 * 26/50 * 25/49 (prob that exactly two kings land in first half deck) * 2/26 * 1/25
• 4C1 * 26/52 * 26/51 * 25/50 * 24/49 (prob that exactly one king lands in first half deck) * 1/26 * 0/25 (this term is zero)
• 4C0 * 26/52 * 25/51 * 24/50 * 23/49 (prob that zero kings land in first half deck) * 0/26 * 0/25 (this term is also zero)

[tidal lynx]

that sums up to the same thing lol

[coral coral]

So you're saying if I split the deck into two piles 1 with 2 cards 1 with 50 and I flip 'draw' the 2 cards from the pile with 2 the probability of 2 kings is gonna change just by nature of doing a partitioning lmfao

You're definitely overthinking this

[main rapids]

So you're saying if I split the deck into two piles 1 with 2 cards 1 with 50 and I flip 'draw' the 2 cards from the pile with 2 the probability of 2 kings is gonna change just by nature of doing a partitioning lmfao
@coral coral yes, exactly. there are two stages: the partitioning, then the drawing. you must draw both cards from the same partition that you pick. In your scenario, if I could draw the second card from the same pile as the first card with probability 1/51 and from the other pile with probability 50/51, then 4/52*3/51 would be the correct answer; but this scenario restricts me to drawing the second card from the same pile as the first card.

that sums up to the same thing lol
@tidal lynx wait how.....?

[tidal lynx]

first three terms sum up to these numbers:
276 / 270725
48 / 20825
1/833

add them up and its 4/52 * 3/51

[visual lagoon]

checkmate /s

When you are picking a card, you are still "partitioning" the pile until you are left with 1 card

Say you pick a card from a single deck. You divide the whole deck (52/2 = 26), then divide one pile (26/2 = 13), and so on (do integer division) until you are left with 1 card

[main rapids]

oh ok the answer is the same 😳

hope you all had fun? 😩

[visual lagoon]

So you partitioning the deck into two piles of same number, you are just telling the very first step

Which makes both problems as same as "pick 2 cards and see if they are both kings"

[main rapids]

okay i guess i'm overthinking, sorry all for disturbing 😵

[visual lagoon]

If you were dividing the two piles into different numbers, then it will be another problem though

[digital carbon]

hope you all had fun? 😩
@main rapids yup, it was certainly fun watching you overthink it so much /s

[main rapids]

yeah ok i'm rather embarrassed now lol

i find myself overthinking during interviews too 😝

[visual lagoon]

Well it seems you weren't wrong. Just another way to solve it and what's behind there

[digital carbon]

Yea it was honestly interesting seeing your thought process

And since the result was the same it obviously wasn't wrong

[main rapids]

but yeah, idk i'm not sure how i jumped to writing the five-term sum 😛

maybe because i'm a grad student

[wind acorn]

Anyone here not hear back from Roblox after submitting the OA like >2 weeks ago?

[lucid pagoda]

@wind acorn I mean, I did their oa almost three weeks ago and I haven't heard anything so far

[daring bough]

yeah ok i'm rather embarrassed now lol
@main rapids hey no worries bro we are all here to help each other & learn

[grave gull]

^ we stan supportive mods 🏋️‍♂️

[cursive loom]

i want juice

roids

juice roids

[raw belfry]

Has anyone got HRT phone interview?

[main rapids]

🥲

[iron gate]

anyone do the bloomberg phone?

[real prism]

i did it on thursday @iron gate

[flint halo]

pipelines go brrrr

[vapid river]

Nordstrom with that 50k relocation

Moving ur stuff in bulletproof vehicles

[autumn lynx]

wait why do u need 50k to relocate lmao

[vapid river]

I'm guessing the person meant to put in 5k

[tired bay]

Lol yeah if u look at total 5k makes sense 🤣

[shadow cedar]

Anyone here not hear back from Roblox after submitting the OA like >2 weeks ago?
@wind acorn mee! Completed oa in last week of September...

[autumn lynx]

Same ^^

[cursive loom]

Same

[iron gate]

@real prism how'd the bloomberg phone go for you?

[supple fjord]

for anyone who took the SAP 1 hr technical, did they ask you any SQL questions?

[tiny oak]

"Our Tampa recruiter is not backed up and as a matter of fact, I know your application has been reviewed. Notification (I believe) is scheduled to go out tomorrow or Wednesday this week. We don’t have any expedited process but the next Tampa Superday is scheduled for next Tuesday, 10/20. Continue to monitor your emails close for further notification."

lol recruiter doesn't want to break the news to me

[rapid jackal]

Am I missing smth on the cockroach labs posting? All the roles are looking for 5+ yoe

[steel drum]

I think NewGrad role is closed

And also any info on Cisco? After that Aspiring Minds OA

[tiny wedge]

cisco has ghosted me since the beginning of august lmfao

[steel drum]

Haha Yah, I think they didn't respond to anyone

[worthy spear]

which trading firms do not interview again if you failed last year?

I've heard JS has a blacklist, is this true?

[real prism]

@real prism how'd the bloomberg phone go for you?
@iron gate not too bad just 2 lc meds

[empty crane]

anyone taking palantir Maintenance Windows OA??

[wind acorn]

how do y'all conquer nerves before an interview?

[daring bough]

@wind acorn listen to music

[cerulean pivot]

watch tiktoks

[daring bough]

Rationalize my nerves away by realizing we are a tiny speck of dust in a vast universe

[unkempt echo]

just cancel the interview

no nerves

[ornate charm]

And also any info on Cisco? After that Aspiring Minds OA
@steel drum apparently they froze hiring

[tiny oak]

take a shot of vodka

[worthy spear]

Do you know of a list for startups?

that are more Machine Learning oriented?

[steel drum]

@ornate charm oh okay😅 Thanks

[tiny oak]

anyone do final w jpmc? what was it like?

[real prism]

@tiny oak i did it thurs but for the nov induction program