Request for testing of standalone RNG seed finder.

[buoyant cairn]

So far it looks like 4 of the 5 beta programs are getting some very good testing.

The one nobody has tested yet is the standalone RNG seed finder. Fye has separated this out from Cram-o-matic into a separate program so that it can be used to RNG other things like overworld spawns.

Let's see if we can try testing it for that purpose. Maybe flash some fancy rare mark shiny?

Basically this process, but with the seed finding part now fully automated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAjWTpSmqhs

I'd try it myself, but I'm in the middle of moving so I'm too busy.

[dusty ivy]

will try it this weekend. Thanks for letting us know where our focus should be

[buoyant cairn]

Speaking of which, I almost forgot @native locust is in this server.

(gave you access to the beta channel btw)

[pliant remnant]

was planning to do sometime this week as well hyped for some marks

[jovial flame]

Works great! (updating the state works too)

And some more...

[buoyant cairn]

Star shiny with rare mark.

[jovial flame]

These are just regular old lame Square, markless ones. I just wanted to check the RNG thing worked at all

[rough crane]

I'm testing the RNG seed finder and it works amazingly well for me, Got my shiny tyrantrum, sorry I did not snap a pic 🙂 Still a million thanks to the people who developed it, combined with the turbo button it makes SWSH RNG a breeze.

6 runs so far, no problems with the program whatsoever

[real wharf]

how many ticks for the turbo R3 did you guys set for the Orbeetle frame advancing?

or should I use other pokemon to advance that's faster

[buoyant cairn]

There are no tick options for either RNG program.

[gusty plinth]

I think they are talking about frame advances once you have your state 0 and state 1

[real wharf]

yea, I'm talking about using the Turbo Button to do the advancing. That example used an old version of it and used 13 ticks on the options

but that seems to not work with current Turbo program

it's too fast

I'm trying with 150 but not sure if that's optimal

[gusty plinth]

If someone has a more up to date guide for rng abuses, I'd gladly take a look

[real wharf]

I'm using 150 ticks for holding the button and 150 ticks between releases and it seems to work now with some low count tests. I'll try to see if it can do 1000+ correctly

I'm new to doing RNG too

[balmy pumice]

In the summary screen it only advances once every animation but in the party menu itself it should advance every button press (up to some amount) no matter whether a new animation was started or not

[real wharf]

oooooh I see, that was mentioned in the video but wasn't clear. I thought in the summary it woukld only advance with a specific animation, and in party it would advance with every animation, not every button pressed

will try again , the first time it didn't work but I think it was maybe because of the static mon wasn't despawned properly

thanks!

[real wharf]

nope I'm not doing that to test

[gusty plinth]

lol dont ask for star shiny

[real wharf]

but but kuro asked

[jovial flame]

I used 13 ticks, but noticed that when aiming for a given advance I was hitting the one before, so when advancing I opted to go for one extra in the turbo program (after taking into account the menu closing making a couple of advances)

[real wharf]

how do you calculate the number of frames that closing menu would advance. I'm so confused on how that works. I don't see any npc in the cemetery area but the calculation doesn't seem right when I put 0

Also you can save to checkpoint while working on the frame skips right? Just make sure no to save too close to the target frame?

[jovial flame]

By checking how much you were off by and readjusting.

[jovial flame]

I would assume here the answer is no, I don't think the advances here are saved like raid den ones are (but that might be wrong, I haven't tested that specifically)

To be clear, I didn't actually use the "Consider Menu Close" setting in the GUI - I just noted that when closing my menu, I was 2 advances ahead of where I expected I'd be, so in further attempts I would adjust accordingly

[real wharf]

how do you check how many frames you were off if you can't save the state before an encounter? because you if you catch it to check, then you'll need to reset

[pliant remnant]

you catch, check which frame you hit/how much you were off by. adjust by that much, and start the process again from scratch

if you were off by x amount and did everything right, when you do it again, if you've adjusted for that you should hit the frame

[real wharf]

so you don't catch the target but catch something else on the area? Because I'm hunting authentic sinistea, so I saved when I stood just in front of it, I can't catch it to check and proceed with another

[jovial flame]

Emphasis on "start the process again from scratch". If you're used to doing RNG abuse on emulators instead of retail, this may sound like a pain, and it is

[real wharf]

I just haven't done any rng. I got some success doing static and now trying on the authentic sinistea which is the "Symbol" encounter type, which had none success so far because after closing menu things never hit correct and I couldn't find wheree i actually land. And yea I wasn't sure what "from scratch" mean. As in close game and restart from the save?

the tool doesn't show all the frame continuously

[jovial flame]

Yep, you'll have to find the state all over again

What do you mean by "continuously"?

[real wharf]

so not sure how to find where I lkand to calculate the frame difference after closing menu

[jovial flame]

Turn off all the filters and set the number of advances to show lower.

[real wharf]

like this

I tried advancing 164 by the turbo

then closed menu

and the one I caught

is neither 164 or 165

and next frame shown is 210

[jovial flame]

Please show the entire window.

[real wharf]

ignore the retail advances tracker, I didn't really use it

for static, I use turbo with exact frame num,ber there and it worked, but the static example had less noise in the area and more similar frames I guess

then in this cemetery area it gets messy

I think im missing something obvious but not knowing what

but currently I just don't know how to exactly to calculate menu closing advances. Because I never land where any of the results are shown.

[jovial flame]

By the sounds of it, it should either be in one of the other slots, or it's further ahead than you're searching, or the RNG state is wrong. I'm not familiar with the encounter slot RNG abuse.

[real wharf]

do you know if the rng works on already spawned pokemon in front of you?

or just works on newly spawned one when you just walk in

[jovial flame]

As far as I know: if it's on screen, it will not change when you advance. The tutorial video in the OP deliberately makes sure no Pokemon are there until the advances have been made, then walks so that the desired Pokemon is the first to spawn in.

That would explain why it doesn't match up with the RNG tool.

[real wharf]

yea that would explain why... because I thought I could save when I find the authentic sinistea, and then do the advance, i need to double check how that video finds the authentic one

[jovial flame]

Authentic Sinistea is slot 99.

[real wharf]

anyways excuse me for my RNG questions on this thread. Outside of frame finding issues, the Auto Seed finder program works great for me! Thanks Fye for this great addition

[real wharf]

yea that's what I have in the tool. I import the inputs directly from its Encounter Lookup

thank you too Scotteh for the help. I'll just keep trying different ways until something works out for the slot encounter. The official guide of the RNG tool doesn't help much in these. The section on how to count the NPC melted my brain

[gusty plinth]

confirming the seed-finding program works like a charm

[rough crane]

Even on later frames (5.5 million in this case) the program works

[rough crane]

Even later frames work fine too (this one was about 90 million)

[copper turret]

i’m having some trouble using the seed finder with the japanese program for finding psv (SwShOverWorldRNGSupporter), i was substituting the states in that program with the states from the seed finder and the first time i got a result that didn’t translate to a tid/sid, and the second time i didn’t get a response at all. it’s totally possible that this isn’t a problem with the seed finder program, but with the other program or user error somewhere along the way but figured it might be worth documenting anyway

[dusty ivy]

I found the RNG program has an older version (that Kuro linked) where you have to swap the 0 & 1 states. Where as the newer version you don’t swap it.

Also, the TID/SID spreadsheet did break for me. Had to use a workaround for it.

If either of those sound like your issues, it isn’t a program problem. Granted, it may be worth someone creating a RNG guideline on when to use our program in the process. (Even if it’s obvious)

or you’re mentioning the JPN program. Hmm. Did you use the stuff from Jenga that Kuro linked,

[copper turret]

i did try with the states in the correct place and swapped on the second time to check, and did see that sometimes you need to +1 or -1 for the spread sheet but couldn’t verify either result form the so decided to try a second round to confirm the psv. which is when i didn’t get a result.

i used the stuff from jengas video (the links that were updated in the comments)

[dusty ivy]

Yeah I tried the +/-1 stuff too and it didn’t really work. Had to use pkhex to check what my 5 digit IDs were. after doing that it worked

[copper turret]

hm, i don’t have a hacked switch sadly

[dusty ivy]

I don’t either. Used $dump in #seed-checking , then used pkhex on the pc to check the file. You can hover over the pokemon’s OT/ID and it gives you the two numbers you need.

Surely there’s a way to do it with the spreadsheet but you might need to ask Jenga

[copper turret]

ooo i didn’t know that was possible, i’ll see if i can figure that out

[dusty ivy]

Know it’s not a fix per say but it allowed me to rng a marked Weavile.

[copper turret]

i can at least then compare to the results and see if i can isolate the problem

is there instructions for the #seed-checking anywhere

[dusty ivy]

Pins list commands. You have to get into a trade with the bot. Be ready to input a trade code online, then use the $dump command. Input the trade code then offer up the Mon. It’ll send you a file/legality report. Cancel the trade and done.

[copper turret]

thanks

[copper turret]

to close the loop the tsv from pkhex was 10 off the number i got from the other program, and still didn’t work in the spreadsheet. Seems like the error is likely in the spreadsheet and the other program, so the bot is a more reliable way. does make me wonder what a future player after bots go down would need to do

[dusty ivy]

Always a good question! Same with things like raid dens. If the bots go down, there’s no way to do it without a hacked switch.

At least with rng once you get the info of your save you don’t need anything else.

[copper turret]

true, and not really a problem for now tbh

[buoyant cairn]

It's also likely you'll be able to pass a mon up through multiple generations into a game that's new enough where some Discord server has a dump bot running for.

Like you can use the SwSh dump bots to get your TID/SID for games going back to gen3.

[low mountain]

When I start the program, the Orbeetle isn't doing any animations, and is just stuck like this

Is the a adjustment to the controllers I have to make?

Seems like it may be the teensy itself, the previous programs I've used aren't working either

[brazen sleet]

If you’re willling to explain or at least help me get started I’ve had issues trying RNG for Pokémon but had plenty success using cram o matic

[rough crane]

What is your target and your method of advancing frames?

[brazen sleet]

My target is anything to be honest I’m not exactly sure how to get my SID without spending a ton of time hunting a shiny, even at that time does encountering a shiny without exiting the battle skip frames or change ids? I honestly need a guide to start my journey

[rough crane]

im a blisy on youtube has good guides for it. Your ID or SID never change, they are set when you start a new game. The way of hunting changes slightly between types of spawns, but static spawns like most wanderers have their stats set when they pop into existence.

There are a lot of things that advance frames, including weather

[brazen sleet]

I’ll try to find the channel and see if that helps but from my understanding now is that I could plug any Sid in and just calculate the amount frames I need to skip based off a regular Pokémon I encounter right away?

[pliant remnant]

you can dump your pokemon using the bot here to open it up in another program and check your SID

it's worth watching a few guides to know what you're doing

[rough crane]

No you can't just plug any SID in, your SID is compared to the pokemon's PID to determine shinyness. If you do not know your SID you can't know if a pokemon will be shiny. If you don't care about shininess though you can just put any SID in.

Also you need a special overworld RNG tool on your pc

If you want to do raid shiny hunting though it is a different story

You don't need to know your SID for that, but that is not the kind of RNG the tool is for.

I think you should watch some guides to get the basics down.

Also some general advice for after you have done that:

A lot of failures will be due to noise, make sure the area you are in does not have a lot of randomness like characters walking around. Finding a good spot is the trickiest part of the RNG

RNGing in hail or thunderstorms is a nightmare, and seems to interfere with certain frame advancement methods. Clear skies are best.

When you do very large frame skips it is best to just let the seed finder do a full 128 search again

If you are planning on doing a long skip or a difficult target, do some test runs to make sure your location is good and noiseless.

The fastest frame skipping methods can be a bit imprecise, give yourself plenty of room and do the last few thousand with a more stable method like the turbo button. I have found setting the press duration to 10 and the release to 6 to be very stable, but some people might have better or even more precise setups.

A good target for your first RNG is the Amaura right in front of the dynamax adventures den, that spot is very noiseless.

Be careful with the roamers though! if you step to close to them and spawn them in, their stats and shininess will be set right then and there. Make sure you have not gotten too close or spawned them in since your last reset or you will be doing a whole lot of work for nothing.

[spice pumice]

where is this spreadsheet?

[copper turret]

i’m the description for this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CAjWTpSmqhs but it doesn’t seem to really work right

[jovial flame]

What part are you having trouble with?