#Ban Streamers who cheat or abuse exploits

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raven flame
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What's motivating this:
Recently a streamer knowingly and intentionally, by his own recorded admission, was caught abusing exploits to get kills "and laughs". He soon after told his stream that he got off with a warning and was being allowed to continue playing.

What should change:
Streamers who publicly cheat or abuse exploits (especially when they've stated they are doing this to grief other players) should be banned. A warning is not sufficient action for this kind of behavior.

To fail to take action on such a public offence, stated in multiple places and forums to be "prevention from online play", the developers have demonstrated that this behavior is acceptable and invited more of it. Both from streamers and from other players.

Edit:

I wanted to add a request. Please do not post any accusations or throw out any names. This is about requesting a change to this policy not starting a witch hunt for specific offences.

manic tapir
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most def they need to fix this

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ive seen people have nades and given a warning and asked to rid of em

stiff zodiac
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Yup, no special treatment. Don't be like twitch, unilateral application of rules.

Also in this discord. How many strikes before someone gets yeeted?

late anvil
wraith comet
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Giving someone a warning is giving cheaters and exploiters a yellow light. They are the kind of people who will hit the gas, not the breaks when they are dealt half ass punishments.

lament osprey
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Players streaming or creating content for Marauders receive no special treatment in-game from our team. Exploits are exploits, however, it's also important to note that not all exploits are equal.

Someone abusing a bug in game for an advantage, is not the same as cheating using 3rd party software. While our team is hard at work addressing both from a development perspective, from a community perspective we must understand that not everyone deserves to be permanently banned from Marauders.

To this end—we're creating internal tools which will give us a wider range of punishments for exploiting an in-game system. Bad behavior will be penalized.

Thank you for understanding.

stiff zodiac
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Post proof if you're gonna make hackusations

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Or send it to mod mail better yet

regal nacelle
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Good to hear that SIG is in support of streamers trolling their viewers and other players with exploits. That really clears a lot up.

stiff zodiac
regal nacelle
# stiff zodiac That is not how to take that at all. Stop trolling the discord with that.

I guess I misread this then? And imagined the situation referenced in the original post, which was a steamer abusing an exploit expressly to troll people?

"Someone abusing a bug in game for an advantage, is not the same as cheating using 3rd party software. While our team is hard at work addressing both from a development perspective, from a community perspective we must understand that not everyone deserves to be permanently banned from Marauders."

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Seems like a straight line to me but maybe I'm missing something....

raven flame
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Well that's disappointing, but we had to try at least. Thanks for the support guys. See you in game maybe 👋

dim dust
reef otter
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Abusing bugs knowingly to gain an advantage and to troll in a public domain such as twitch or youtube 100% should be a insta ban (Not saying it should be PERM but a warning is very light handed)

dim dust
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I agree, I also understand I don't know the terms, discussions, and agreement the parties entertained. Maybe they showed more exploits that they didn't make public yet as a sign of good faith? Maybe they are baiting people to catch them easier :]
~So many possibilities. People need to not rush to capital punishment....so-to-speak.
Permas should not be light, but depending on the xontext, there should be far more than a warning or 'slap on the wrist'

raven flame
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We can't make this about a single issue that's already been ruled on. As much as I'd like to see more severe punishment in that case, SIG and Team17 are never going to roll back a previous ruling or admit it wasn't severe enough (just like any other company). All we can do is hope they take feedback into account in the future.

north pewter
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I was playing with some guys and one peaked a corner got beamed in the head by a streamer

late anvil
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@raven flame the new patch notes gave me some warm fuzzies. Go have a read partner

raven flame
# late anvil <@1036823191445848104> the new patch notes gave me some warm fuzzies. Go have a...

I saw that. Unfortunately they've made similar statements in the past (banning people who exploit) however the statement Ceeg made above seems to clarify they're talking about 3rd party exploits not exploiting game bugs. It seems very clear the policy is that bans are not given out for exploiting in-game systems. @lament osprey please correct me if I'm misinterpreting something there.

late anvil
stiff zodiac
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It's really hard with some exploits to know if someone did it in earnest or intentionally. I've personally duped a backpack and an entire ship without even realizing I did it until multiple raids after (the backpack I knew, ship took a while to realize)

raven flame
stiff zodiac
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Yeah if a guy knows it's an exploit and is doing it, ban that guy. Especially a streamer because he is actively spreading the knowledge of it. 100%

raven flame
stiff zodiac
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I think you're misreading it tbh. They are taking a hard stance on it, but they can't just ban anyone who uses an exploit instantly. Did you report the streamer? with a clip of him doing it preferably?

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because like I said I have duped a ship and a backpack, and no idea how I did it, it would be totally unfair to ban me.

raven flame
# stiff zodiac I think you're misreading it tbh. They are taking a hard stance on it, but they ...

Of course he was reported. With videos and links to highlights the streamer made of himself abusing the silent walking bug. They just gave him a warning which is what prompted this suggestion. Again I suspect everyone understands that in-game bugs can be triggered by accident but the policy appears to be protecting people who are going so far as to say, publicly, they're doing it on purpose. It's making it very hard to imagine what cases would result in any kind of punishment.

stiff zodiac
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Ugh typed a big message and discord mobile crashed as I sent it

late anvil
raven flame
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And just to reiterate, I don't think there's any chance we'll get that situation corrected. I'm just hoping we can convince the devs that intentionally abusing exploits should result in a ban. I'd even settle for it only being the case when they admit to it while recording themselves on stream. Or even only when they're going out of their way to rub someone's face in it. That would at least be an improvement over the status quo.

stiff zodiac
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I mean I don't entirely disagree with you, if you're going to be blatant, be an ahole, and do it repeatedly, yeah. Personally for e*ploits I think one warning is fine, then a ban. Ahole about it? gone. Gloat? gone.

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curse words banned now? wtf

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anyway, i understand not instantly banning people who exploit, but i also try to understand their perspective on streamers. They generate buzz, they help the business. Is what he is doing ok? no. So issue a warning. The real issue is: How many strikes before he gets banned? I've personally seen in this discord someone so far get two strikes, and he continues to troll, and is just a little more subtle about it. Do i agree? no. One strike is more than enough if you want to foster good "Community". I personally would have banned the guy the first time for what he did, but they warned him. Second time? Definitely would have been gone. But he's still here posting. I personally would just like some clarity on what the punishment is. Don't be like Twitch and not apply rules unilaterally. but if this guy got two warnings, is it three strikes? is it five? does it have to be a serious offence? I won't air dirty laundry here but if you are curious what I am talking about i can elaborate. But I also don't think banning someone instantly for exploits is a good BUSINESS choice. Morally? yeah. Cheating? insta ban (and they do)

raven flame
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This is part of why I'm concerned. If I was actually sure they'd get banned on a second offense that would be one thing. But I'm honestly not convinced that's the case either. If someone can say outright they know what they're doing is an exploit, use it to harass people, then just get a warning. Then everyone in the community knows they can do it as much as they want until they are warned.

stiff zodiac
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yeah, i mean you could ask about it in the next Q&A

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ask like what offences are an instant ban, how many strikes of using an exploit, if the person being blatant about it... could even extend to the interaction I had (Because that is definite two warnings as well, not a streamer)

unreal atlas
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Ban those rats!

raven flame
raven flame
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Actually I'm hearing new reports that the same clan that the post referenced has been doing this stuff again. So we'll have to bring this up in the next Q&A. I'm usually at work during them is there anyone interested in carrying the torch during the next one?

raven flame
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Looks like it was a video the day before the warning unfortunately.

stiff zodiac
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yeah hard to punish a whole clan too, have to go after the individual

raven flame
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Not if they're all exploiting together on the same video 🤣