MTG commander play group

[hardy cloud]

but 2010 and b4 yugioh was a much more value oriented game , were the interaction was much less counterspelly and more battle traps and like

someone just made an infinte power and toughness board through a combo i dont really understand

same guy

[crimson steppe]

I don't consider infinite combos as winning, but I mean, if he likes it good for him

[hardy cloud]

i have to restart rq , audio wonky and i need to hear yall for D&D

[shell widget]

I had a deck with this guy as the commander that had an infinite mana combo for the tokens

[crimson steppe]

the moment your deck has infinite combos and tutors, your deck stops being a deck
and starts being "how fast can I do this one thing"

@hardy cloud a good show of what cedh is like- you want all these types of cards https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7183700-6941-4a3d-a581-4f33bea795e9.jpg?1727093687 (banned in commander by the way)

[hardy cloud]

How fast can I do this one thing is the most apt description of current yugioh ever

[crimson steppe]

with this and a land, you can get a 4 mana commander out on turn 1

[shell widget]

only if the commander is 1 or 2 colour

[crimson steppe]

only 3 colour combination worth playing ever, is jeskai or esper

not biased at all

[shell widget]

Jund them out

[crimson steppe]

[shell widget]

I'm Bant right?

[crimson steppe]

blue, green, white

[shell widget]

yee

Bant

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

Whats black blue green

[shell widget]

little bitch

[crimson steppe]

sultai

[hardy cloud]

Cuz that's my mill deck

[hardy cloud]

[crimson steppe]

fancy way of spelling "salty"

because that's those colours

[shell widget]

[hardy cloud]

Damn I picked evil huh

It's usually aggro that's universally hated not slow decks

[shell widget]

I hate slow decks because they stop me from doing the stuff I wanna do

aggro decks is just a race against time

[amber quail]

is control not a thing in other card games?

[hardy cloud]

Aggro kills you b4 the thing you wanna do happens

[crimson steppe]

if you change to muldrotha, and add those three I showed earlier, as well as eternal witness/timeless witness
you can now forever replay literaly any card in your deck, forever

[shell widget]

it definitly is

[hardy cloud]

Control is a thing

But usually loved in other games surprisingly

[crimson steppe]

this means you can remove cannon's entire board because you feel like it, and it will only cost you mana

the cards you can just get back again

[shell widget]

but ma board

[crimson steppe]

with the spore frog, cannon's aggro won't even be able to do damage to you

ever

again

he can't even remove it, because you can sacrifice sporefrog in response

[shell widget]

But I can still kill with commander damage no?

[hardy cloud]

I already swapped to muldrotha btw , just need to add more mill to the deck now

[crimson steppe]

welcome to muldrotha

[crimson steppe]

no damage is done

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d42fd52-34ea-4d1b-80dc-58fb0593bb5b.jpg?1562202192

sacrifice it on your turn, or in respone to you trying to target it
then recast it on his turn

[shell widget]

hmm

can still exile it from the yard tho

I do have those effects in the deck

[crimson steppe]

only way

[shell widget]

they just haven't come out

or kill commander then I have time

[crimson steppe]

but if he has reanimate or necromancy which he should
can just nip it from the grave

he should also be playing "not dead after all" effects, like kaya's ghostform

to protect mully

[hardy cloud]

Counter spell

[shell widget]

counters your counterspell

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98f3be88-24e2-433f-9138-f0cb59d09a0f.jpg?1557576491

[hardy cloud]

Not in red you don't ,

[crimson steppe]

enchant your muldrotha- if it ever gets gone, recast it on him

[hardy cloud]

I am taking that 4 100 times / 100

[shell widget]

there are more

[shell widget]

unless you on 4 life

[hardy cloud]

Even then

[shell widget]

then you just die

[hardy cloud]

I'll die than be countered by red

[shell widget]

anyway

dnd

get in

[hardy cloud]

Give me a moment restarting I'll be on phone for now

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5bc58050-a615-4090-9cf5-cd49ccb4e2c6.jpg?1627709647 this was the guy we were fighting

[hardy cloud]

"That target can't cast spells" doesn't that essentially skip thier turn?

[crimson steppe]

it triggers on your turn, so they can't respond to you playing their spells "on your turn"

@hardy cloud there are however these spells, orim's chant practically skipping the opponent's turn
if you cast it in their upkeep- except they can still play lands and activate abilities of permanents already on board

delightfully toxic

[hardy cloud]

holy fuck

for one mana skipping a turn is crazy talk

[crimson steppe]

two mana, since "kicker" is an additonal cost you pay when casting the spell
but yes, it's funny

[hardy cloud]

i meant the other one

[crimson steppe]

ah, yes but they can still attack in that one

white shenaniganery

[hardy cloud]

i still dont understand what white is meant to be seems like the do everything worse than everyone else color

[crimson steppe]

that's red

[hardy cloud]

red is just the aggro color no?

[crimson steppe]

white is notoriously called "white weenies" and used to be the colour to spam small creatues en masse

[hardy cloud]

[crimson steppe]

they've got a bunch of good releases lately though, and can now keep up better with blue, green and black

red still struggle-bussing

[hardy cloud]

funny cuz most of my losses are to red decks killing me too fast i guess its cuz i dont run enough interaction to deal with aggro

[crimson steppe]

aggro is good

and versus slower decks like you seem to like, they thrive

slower as in big heavy creatures

[hardy cloud]

yeah i've been trying to build a faster deck around a dual commander setup with partner now

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

https://moxfield.com/decks/Gm5iUmmHG0SPK6sT-U_5fA
this is what i have so far but i am not a big fan of it yet

[crimson steppe]

every deck theme has it's strengths and weaknesses

ah naya

[hardy cloud]

whats dat?

[crimson steppe]

green, white, red

[hardy cloud]

ah

yeah green is my favourite color so far , so everything i build has to have green in it

and i wanted a white/red deck

so i did this

not sure about what direction to take the list in tho

its currently kinda of a knight tribal

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50875c99-c5c3-41dd-a0f9-08c98edfebc9.jpg?1706240562 this one is fun as a mono white commander

also since it specifically says "whenever you're dealt damage" meaning you can hurt yourself to create soldiers

[hardy cloud]

the idea was faster than my norm so a 6 mana commander aint it

[crimson steppe]

yee this one is soldiers not knights, so not for your deck

[hardy cloud]

i am not too attached to the idea of knight tribal btw

it just the direction that EDHrecs took me with those 2 commanders

if you know of a better direction for those 2 feel free to say

[crimson steppe]

I have a deck I fiddled with very shortly that's boros token spam with the doll that's also in your deck https://moxfield.com/decks/pL1JFyhb7Ey57jOn6cX1_g

still too many cards in it too, haven't even fixed that yet

idea once finished, is to spam tokens, and blow out all the opponents with a single arabella swing

[hardy cloud]

what i am attached to is naya colors , and midrange , midrange being to play stuff on curve aka a 3 cost on 3 a 4 cost on turn 4 etc , that have maijor value on thier own , nothing else really , even the commanders can change if that dont fit them

i also like the idea of partner but i am fine changing off it if need be

[crimson steppe]

your deck, your build

also I don't think I have any aggro decks at all- I like esper, and it's colour combinations
which means mostly controlly decks, and drain

[hardy cloud]

yeah i aint asking you to build my deck most fun part of card games is deckbuilding

just brainstorming out loud if you will

[crimson steppe]

https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-ZOOB0-normal.webp?196655107

[crimson steppe]

this card embodies what I like in mtg

I'll just play my stuff, but in doing so, you die

this is probably my fastest deck: https://moxfield.com/decks/BMHkeLvOqUek1cgMxCMX4Q

with taii wakeen as commander https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-Mxep0-normal.webp?196676235

[hardy cloud]

this is probably my favourite card i've seen so far , big , value , and stupid

[crimson steppe]

my brother, who's an avid green fan, likes cards like that above all else

basically instead of instants/sorceries/artifacts/enchantments, he likes creatures with effects that mimic them

[hardy cloud]

your brother and i will be good friends

[crimson steppe]

oh you like aura shards? here's a creature version https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/9/b987664f-0b74-4c0a-b306-14767a55559a.jpg?1675182563

removal? here's that on a creature https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/89b39293-6f57-4294-85fc-c718bdbb4d40.jpg?1675957129

also since they're creatures he can revive them, and remove stuff infinitely for free
since his primary commander he does that with, is meren: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/508b1442-bf2c-4ad6-9bcf-bd894e081ab6.jpg?1743207181

revives something for free each end step- into hand or battlefield depending on experience counters

and of course he's using all these effects: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fce2baa4-2976-4bbd-b6c5-a5a3c6a901be.jpg?1706239873

so the other peepos at the table can't play creatures

[crimson steppe]

I considered making this one, just to mess with him: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d041a51c-9a28-4b32-9da3-0f06807959f1.jpg?1748704472

since she does the same as meren, via healing

[crimson steppe]

I really want to make my zethi, arcane blademaster work, as well
https://moxfield.com/decks/FfWYVfPoCUSnqLU3_Y_Zew seems like a fun commander

don't worry about the alternate art: https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-Dj9dl-normal.webp?196790506

[hardy cloud]

you can test against us until you get it built for your high power playgroup

[crimson steppe]

it's designed to cast the same spells over and over again, for infinite value(given time)

a fun combo in the deck, is if I can get teferi's protection in my graveyard via discard, and put a kick counter on it with zethi
and then get grand abolisher on my field

enemies can't play spells on my turn, and on attack, I'm untouchable with teferi's protection until my next turn where enemies again cannot cast spells

[crimson steppe]

@hardy cloud @shell widget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4czybI7nzOA

[hardy cloud]

this card art is so damn cool i wanna build a deck for her immediatly , spell blades best

[crimson steppe]

is the deck I posted before

[hardy cloud]

yoink

[crimson steppe]

my personal issue with her, is an actual win-condition

[hardy cloud]

is mine now

[crimson steppe]

dew it

she becomes stronger and stronger as you cast certain spells, and it's extremely toxic to opponents with repeat removal
it does have the normal azorius win combo, with "approach of the second sun", with "reprieve" or "narset's reversal" though

[hardy cloud]

ill probably have to make it worse to fit into br 3 but yeah , i am yoinking that , that card art is so good

wait is chunli just an alt art?

[crimson steppe]

probably the closest you get to a "spell blade" which you said you liked too

[crimson steppe]

yes

normal is "zethi" alt art is chun li

but same card

[hardy cloud]

cuz zethi's art is infintely cooler

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

~~no offence if you like the chun-li but you're just wrong ~~

[crimson steppe]

it's basically female xan

[hardy cloud]

exactly

[crimson steppe]

not particularly, I just like alternate arts

[hardy cloud]

xan was built to be a spell blade but hes kinda bad at it cuz swords bard turned it it sucks

[crimson steppe]

what you wanted is probably wizard bladesinger subclass

but I think that's what you're multiclassing into now?

[hardy cloud]

i have 2 levels into it

but thats it

[crimson steppe]

https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/wizard:bladesinging

[hardy cloud]

i think a hexblade warlock is more my speed honestly

that or an eldritch knight

i want more blade less spell , thats why xan is mutliclassing into fighter if we make it to the one shot

[crimson steppe]

• step one, be bladesinger wizard
• step two, take heavy armour proficiency(or multiclass once into something with it)
• step three, wear heavy armour for 18AC
• step four, activate bladesong to add Int mod to AC
• step five, have 22 ac at all times, as a wizard

[hardy cloud]

i like the dex based style more , is why xan has 20 dex now

[crimson steppe]

also, never take damage ever

[hardy cloud]

yea a pure bladesinger might be cool one day

[crimson steppe]

damage too high? I think I won't take that

but yee eldritch knight or hexblade lock more my style too

[crimson steppe]

scratch that- apparantly bladesong automatically ends if you wear medium or heavy armour

bladesinger sucks

[hardy cloud]

if you have high dex and int it doesnt matte

[crimson steppe]

yee

[hardy cloud]

xan gets a casual 19 AC and my int is only 14

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

and with shield

nothing can basically ever hit me

[crimson steppe]

shield reaction so good

shield reaction
silvery barbs
absorb elements
counterspell

cleric gets exactly none of them

[hardy cloud]

meanwhile i have 3/4

[hardy cloud]

@crimson steppe i am in an insane magic grind game wanna watch?

[hardy cloud]

this card in landfall is insane

how do you deal with infnite 1/1s lol

it was like turn 3 and he had 20 of the fuckers

[amber quail]

spawn even more of your own

you know what they say, fight fire with fire

[hardy cloud]

he currently has 62 of th fuckers

[amber quail]

real answer, probably something that gives -1 toughness

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/430b96aa-7bb0-4d2b-b265-9c4987db28a2.jpg?1682208644

[amber quail]

token decks in shambles

[hardy cloud]

i aint in white

[hardy cloud]

i managed to make my grave deck a PL 6 first deck i manage to push this far on my own

[crimson steppe]

[shell widget]

damn it Aizo, you're turning him competitive

[crimson steppe]

sorry.. ╥﹏╥

[hardy cloud]

nah you only sped up the inevitable , i was always going to be as competitive as possible on the bracket we stay in because i like being on the edge of power

[hardy cloud]

@shell widget majic

?

[shell widget]

sure

[hardy cloud]

@crimson steppe tried playing your zethi deck and i suck at it

[crimson steppe]

the commander wants at least card draw in the graveyard before you summon her
a good first cast of her would need card draw, removal, protection, and a way to either return her to your hand, or a way to power her up
there's literally zero reason to summon her at all before either the first or some combination of the second criterias are met

her whole deal is attacking, and on attack, power her up, draw some cards, remove opponents stuff

like, if you sit with a swords to plowshares in your hand, but all the enemy have on board, is a 1/1 creature that does nothing
using swords to plowshares on it is still worth, to get it in your grave so zethi can "grip" it

[hardy cloud]

playing a low creatures deck is just new to me so managing when i should and shouldnt swing with her is new also i didnt think of removing her to replay her at all

[crimson steppe]

discord actually added mana symbols as discord icons

I'm not paying 18eur for a flair though

[shell widget]

@hardy cloud @vast fossil quick game of magic after stream?

[hardy cloud]

i am down

[vast fossil]

sure

[hardy cloud]

@crimson steppe we'll play some magic if you wanna watch

[vast fossil]

https://moxfield.com/decks/B5KqtWUQwUq-iztPcOKYWg

[hardy cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WOWsqy4ug4
its time for 2 hours of magic lore lets see if ill regret this

[crimson steppe]

I think the three big ones are nicol bolas arc, brothers war arc, and eldrazi arc

[hardy cloud]

i am 30 mins through the video and hes already talked about all of those , also i need to make a phyriexan deck cuz the concept of man perfected into machine is one of my favourite

[crimson steppe]

there's one for each colour, and three version of each of them, so take your pick

[hardy cloud]

damn

[crimson steppe]

white - elesh norn
black - sheoldred
blue - jin-gitaxias
red - urabrask
green - vorinclex

[hardy cloud]

interesting that the main guy yagomoth isnt one

[crimson steppe]

@hardy cloud mind you, I recommend not using a specific version of vorinclex and elesh norn
specifically "elesh norn, mother of machines" and "vorinclex, voice of hunger"

peepos might not want to play with you if you use either of those

[hardy cloud]

that taxic huh

[crimson steppe]

they're grossly regarded for their salty nature, called "stax"

[hardy cloud]

Ah stun

Yeah I don't like stun either dw stun players belong in hell with burn players

[crimson steppe]

all the others are fair game, but these two

[hardy cloud]

Oof yeah vorin is toxic funnily enough I played and beat that version of norn

[crimson steppe]

it's less toxic than vorinclex is for sure, but a lot of the very powerful decks in commander use "enter the battlefield" effects
which this norn shuts down completely, while doubling those effects for itself

elesh norn is my own favourite of the praetors, I just haven't found a good way to make the decks yet

I have a deck with the mother of machines, where nearly all the cards have "enter the battlefield" effects, that says "exile target card until this leaves the battlefield" and then a bunch of blink/flicker effects

with norn on the field: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/43787574-7700-47ab-b57c-98ef968cce71.jpg?1690004105

[hardy cloud]

mean

[crimson steppe]

2 target cards from each opponent? don't mind if I do

[hardy cloud]

uhh am i correct in assuming this thing sets your opponents hand size to 0

[crimson steppe]

yup

[hardy cloud]

[crimson steppe]

when they end their turn they have to discard all cards in their hand

[hardy cloud]

these things are so toxic lmfao

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

double my spells , counter yours

[crimson steppe]

cannon~

[shell widget]

only once per turn

[crimson steppe]

which is your favourite praetor?

[hardy cloud]

yes still toxic af

[shell widget]

and you do need to pay 7 mana to play him

[shell widget]

sheoldred

[crimson steppe]

[shell widget]

My play mat is her

[crimson steppe]

my brother likes sheoldred the best as well

[shell widget]

original sheoldred that is, not the new one

[crimson steppe]

my brother has this deck

[hardy cloud]

so all the preators dont seem to want to be played together , i assume there just isnt a "phyrexian" deck as a theme then

thats snek's first deck aizo

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

das a shame , i wanted to make an invasion of machines .dek

[crimson steppe]

they're all mono-coloured, so cannot really- you could do morophon though, and use all the praetors

[hardy cloud]

but i guess its not a thing , wizards you know what to do

[shell widget]

morophon is great for making any tribal deck

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

yes but i already have a tribal in my dwagons i thought that being such a big part of the story phyrexian would be more of a theme

[crimson steppe]

there's also this one, 5 colours, and helps with the mana a bit

[hardy cloud]

but alas

[crimson steppe]

@hardy cloud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpopatzC-gI this episode they all playing praetors

[hardy cloud]

4 stun decks vs eachother ill pass on watching that

[crimson steppe]

[amber quail]

love how the additional cost does absolutely nothing

[hardy cloud]

fair and balanced

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e77fbc87-d78e-4602-baa0-da9b0d464dfb.jpg?1730489513

[hardy cloud]

for 10 mana it should be the one above ngl

[crimson steppe]

"protection from everything" is plenty powerful

[shell widget]

can't take damage, be blocked, targeted

by anything

[hardy cloud]

i always forget that protection prevents blocking

cuz i thought this is just a 10/10 that will get endless blocked cuz it has no aggro keywords

which is garbage

but i guess a 10/10 that cant be blocked or removed is decent

[crimson steppe]

it's not even just "protection" in this case- progenitus specifically has "protection from every card and player" as well

so even colourless things cannot do anything

[hardy cloud]

yeah its just a big fat 10/10 that cant be removed

[shell widget]

could still be destoryed be a board wipe

[hardy cloud]

which is decent i guess

huh? wouldnt it have protection from the boardwipe

[crimson steppe]

it doesn't target, nor damage it

[shell widget]

board wipes don't target or deal damage

[crimson steppe]

so it would die

[hardy cloud]

oh i thought protection meant uneffected

[shell widget]

but that is still a very specific answer

[crimson steppe]

board wipes are the single most powerful things in magic, though- if you don't consider counterspells "stronger"

[hardy cloud]

then yeah this thing is ass

[crimson steppe]

my brother's most annoyng deck to fight, is this commander: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99.jpg?1706241008

[hardy cloud]

first line

aizo's worst

[crimson steppe]

simply keeping it on the board, wins the game and locks the game down

simply fill the deck with massive amounts of ramp to get it out as fast as possible
then the remainder of cards are just counterspells and other stuff that either copies koma, or protects it

[hardy cloud]

cant be counterspelled must be the line you hate the most

[crimson steppe]

not only can it not be counterspelled- it's practically indestructible if it only stays alive until end of your turn

and then it just pumps out 3/3 creatures

each

upkeep

EACH

UPKEEP

[hardy cloud]

[crimson steppe]

that means in a commander cycle, when you cast it, and get your turn after having cast it, you now have 4 coils

each coil can be sacrificed to make koma indestructible, and if you get enough koma copies, you can just start tapping your opponents lands practically for free

[hardy cloud]

okay

that last part is evil

never ever ever mess with lands

[crimson steppe]

the issue is that they're also creatures, so if you cannot deal with it, you just get overwhelmed and die

but you also cannot destroy it, because it's indestructible

and it's in simic colours, so your deck is full of counterspells

[hardy cloud]

you dont get to complain about counterspells missy

i've seen your zethi deck

[crimson steppe]

I mean, you did say you wanted to make a simic deck, no?

[hardy cloud]

my muldrotha deck kinda scractched that itch

next deck after i learn your zethi deck will probably be a real aggro deck

like red/white aggro

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

red/green/white in any combination

[hardy cloud]

ehh too boring

[crimson steppe]

cannon, your favourite decks were red aggro, right?

[hardy cloud]

i also want to make a partner deck

[shell widget]

My favourite is my curse deck but I also like aggro

[hardy cloud]

but those seem hard to build

[crimson steppe]

not entirely curse, but I have this deck: https://moxfield.com/decks/01raxFY_10mZSkCUe2x93w

featuring eriette of the charmed apple

creatures enchanted by enchantments you control cannot attack you

[hardy cloud]

https://moxfield.com/decks/Gm5iUmmHG0SPK6sT-U_5fA i did show you this trash aiz didnt I? this was my attempt at making a partner midrange deck and it failed horribly

[shell widget]

that's pretty cool

[crimson steppe]

I have zero knowledge on aggro decks

I like control, drain, and enchantments

[hardy cloud]

you dont need to know anything to know that this is bad trust me

[crimson steppe]

I also like decks with low creature amounts, so it's basically the commander alone against the opponents

[shell widget]

what commander do you want?

[hardy cloud]

i dont really know , havent found a red commander that i like

thats why i was expereminting with partner

[shell widget]

what kind of aggro do you want?

you want tokens or voltron?

[hardy cloud]

probably going widde

instead of tall

[shell widget]

so tokens

do you want a specific tribe?

knights, soldiers ect

[hardy cloud]

i dont really care

as long as its not one note

[crimson steppe]

not finished, but I did make an attempt at arabella https://moxfield.com/decks/pL1JFyhb7Ey57jOn6cX1_g

[shell widget]

?

[hardy cloud]

^this is what i mean by one note , arabella is boring af

[crimson steppe]

designed to amass tokens, then swing once to oneshot all enemies

[hardy cloud]

ooh and that scratches the idea of making a phyrexian deck

maybe

[shell widget]

also add in

you make one token?

no!

you make 4

[hardy cloud]

could be funny

[shell widget]

also

you make 4 tokens?

no

now you make 12

[crimson steppe]

[shell widget]

[crimson steppe]

these two are probably the most common "go wide" tribal commanders

mono red though

[hardy cloud]

we doubled our tokens 6 times , but how do we make tokens in mono white

i think thats what white is supposed to be good that

[crimson steppe]

want to know what the meanest card in all of magic is?

[hardy cloud]

at*

[shell widget]

make 12 unicorns a turn

[hardy cloud]

gay parade turbo

[shell widget]

white has a ton of ways to make tokens

[hardy cloud]

yeah thats supposed to be their thing right?

like ramp is green's

[shell widget]

white is tokens and lifegain

[hardy cloud]

[shell widget]

lots of effects that give you life when creatures etb

[hardy cloud]

white black token aggro into pivot into a sac deck if game goes long

no idea how to build it

but i think it might be cool

[crimson steppe]

add in blink effects for the creatures

[crimson steppe]

but: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0937a60-887b-46d0-b573-099626d57bcf.jpg?1674137946

[hardy cloud]

why is this mean

it just slows you down a turn no?

[crimson steppe]

if someone casts their commander, they can choose to let it go back to the command zone, meaning there was no point casting it
or, they can choose to put it into exile under it-- but you know what puts in into play? the card itself- if mirror gets removed with a commander under it, the commander is exiled for good

[hardy cloud]

i guess if they get rid of it that was an issue

[crimson steppe]

the card is good in decks with this commander: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/952cb0b3-a6b7-4279-8833-3d8890b2d005.jpg?1675644393

because it let's all your creatures enter, without being cast, doubling all your creatures

you just get preston on the board before casting mirror, now the enemy can never cast their commander
or they risk losing their commander completely

[hardy cloud]

just looked at all white black commanders and one of these will be my aggro deck probably

maybe shart cuz waifu

[crimson steppe]

yees

join the orzhov side

[hardy cloud]

whats white/black called @crimson steppe

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

as i sent it

[crimson steppe]

my three favourites:
esper (white, blue, black)
orzhov (white, black)
dimir (blue, black)

mono coloured for me is just white

[hardy cloud]

so far green is my favourite color with black being 2nd but i wanna try them all b4 making a true judgement

[crimson steppe]

green, black = golgari

[hardy cloud]

isnt that what susu's wow guild was named after?

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

so which from the above do you think i should build around

[crimson steppe]

the one you like best

[hardy cloud]

ill probably command one and put the rest in the 99 cuz they all work around tokens

but idk which is the one i want most access too

[crimson steppe]

be careful not to find custom cards though

[hardy cloud]

i am looking on moxfield

so no customs i think

[crimson steppe]

that version of arvad and shadowheart doesn't exist

[hardy cloud]

huh

so moxfield does have customs

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

unless they're new?

have any sets came out recently?

[crimson steppe]

only versions of these

if you're looking for commanders, you can look through edhrec

[hardy cloud]

[crimson steppe]

you can specify colours and see all the commanders

if a card isn't on there, it don't exist- unless it just came out a few hours ago

[hardy cloud]

i use EDH recs to build the starting point for the deck

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/c/cc857755-62e6-4d29-95f5-82f5d4bde522.jpg?1686969851

I wanted to make a spirit tribal with this commander

[hardy cloud]

this is an LOTR refrence aint it

[crimson steppe]

your opponents can never really remove your creatures, except board wipes

and you just face your stuff out at instant speed with special spells, and double your spirits each turn

[crimson steppe]

is literally supposed to be the "king of the oathbreakers"

[shell widget]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-release-lotr-release-aragon-dead-happy-death-gif-19136131

[hardy cloud]

okay thalisse is the most used commander out of the ones i linked i guess i command her

https://moxfield.com/decks/-eQmzhpgg0qILEMPA3mw_g
this is what EDH recs thinks i should play

[crimson steppe]

you don't have to play what it says

it just shows what most peepos use

[hardy cloud]

yeah i use it to start out the build

[crimson steppe]

so

the normies

[hardy cloud]

then i fix it

[crimson steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/mtg-cat-cat-creature-maciuś-magic-the-gathering-gif-20184621

[hardy cloud]

cats would be blue players

[shell widget]

are we testing out deck post stream?

[hardy cloud]

its quite litearlly the average build from EDH recs but you know what sure

like i didnt change a card yet

[shell widget]

I mean if you want to change stuff then we can do tomorrow or something

[hardy cloud]

nah i am down for post stream thats fine

just it wont be good

[shell widget]

[hardy cloud]

like really bad

[shell widget]

oof

maybe put some new cards in there

[crimson steppe]

don't look at the power level bit too much, that site bases it's calculations off competitive

[hardy cloud]

its good for just taking a measure tho

[crimson steppe]

the more tutors and instant win combos you have, the higher powerlevel it shows

that, and fast mana

it's good for showing the exact amount of all the differnet effects you have in your deck, though

my y'shtola deck

[hardy cloud]

34 interaction

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

meanwhile the bigges number of interaction in any of my decks was like 8 if that

[hardy cloud]

flexing on us

[crimson steppe]

I already bought the cards, so I have them on the way

[hardy cloud]

meanwhile my best deck , not even close

[crimson steppe]

"best" is relative

my y'shtola deck isn't fast, and I don't use any tutors at all

I just remove all my opponent's stuff, and hurt them while doing so

[hardy cloud]

still would kick the crap out of anything i ever build

but is fine game wouldnt be worth playing if i could master it in a month

[crimson steppe]

if you want to build a deck that easily reaches into the 8s or even 9s
just find a commander that goes infinite with one other card, include that card
and the rest of the deck should be tutors, fast mana, and free interaction spells

but that removes the "game" from the game, and turns "winning" into all that matters

[hardy cloud]

yeah power lvl 8 and above just sound like yugioh but worse LUL

[shell widget]

remind me when the website name is

[hardy cloud]

commander salt

[crimson steppe]

yee

you copypaste your deck from moxfield into it

the url that is

[hardy cloud]

[crimson steppe]

I just use it because it shows me exactly the amount of all the effects I have

like interaction, card draw and such

[shell widget]

new deck

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

yeah thats where most of my decks are at

i try to get them to a 6 but is hard

[crimson steppe]

is around where most decks that doesn't specifically try to power up should be at

[shell widget]

hella synergy and wincons XD

[hardy cloud]

this is my ur dragon deck and on the power level i want most of my decks to be

[crimson steppe]

my ashling deck

[hardy cloud]

damn barely under CEDH

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/40463be5-89e2-410b-9a4b-770f70d14293.jpg?1717012132

is this commander

[hardy cloud]

cards that say "you dont lose unspent mana" sound like the most broken shit ever ngl

[shell widget]

#bringbackmanaburn

[hardy cloud]

whats dat?

[crimson steppe]

https://moxfield.com/decks/I-l_RmDVTEaXQ6k5R7usZQ

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ead8a1f5-6260-47fa-a649-43711ec5bbeb.jpg?1608911265

[hardy cloud]

ooof

[shell widget]

mana burn is an old mechanic the WOTC got rid of that means that you take 1 damage for each unspent mana

[hardy cloud]

playing against that as landfall must suuuuck

[hardy cloud]

i see why they dropped that that sounds hella annyoing for slow decks

[shell widget]

it only matters if you tap a land and then don't spend the mana from it

[hardy cloud]

oh

[crimson steppe]

yee

[hardy cloud]

i thought it meant if you pass a turn without tapping a land you'll take one for it

so you have to spend all your mana

[crimson steppe]

yurlok as you see has the ability to instantly force mana into everyone's pool

it also features cards that makes "everyone's" lands tab for more mana, or even force you to tap all your lands when you tap one

[hardy cloud]

mana barbs is an evil evil card

and is always going to make you the target of everyone

[crimson steppe]

https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-EgXVr-normal.webp?197852679

[hardy cloud]

yeah thats what i thought mana burn did

i wonder if i could make a card game and what it would look like

the progamming of it shouldnt be that hard actually

just very tedious

i'd mix yugioh magic and LOR

it'd have mana but you'd get it by discarding cards on your upkeep/standby , cuz fuck the idea of lands

[crimson steppe]

I want to make a commander deck with this one: https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-PbWPn-normal.webp?198039057

I just don't know what the game-plan would be

[hardy cloud]

big spells

like really big spells

[crimson steppe]

except needing on-demand instant card draw, and ways to put cards in my hard, on top of the library

[shell widget]

big enchantments I guess

something to give your spells flash

draw a card each turn, play enchantment with big discount

[crimson steppe]

https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-YdR9x-normal.webp?197853248

ignore the "prevent damage" part- this thing let's you free of cost put stuff in your hand on top of your library

[hardy cloud]

that feels so slow tho

you're going -2 for that discount

[crimson steppe]

no

the commander gives the first card I draw a -4 discount, meaning I want to fix what I draw

if I sit with a big expensive card in hand, I want to make it the card I draw

[hardy cloud]

yes but you arre going neg 2 in card advantage there has to be better ways to fix xyour topdeck

[crimson steppe]

you will have that too, but you need to fix your hand most of all

because otherwise you will just sit with an expensive card in hand

[hardy cloud]

are there not draw one put back one cards in magic ?

[crimson steppe]

there are

but the issue is being stuck with expensive cards that you already drew

[hardy cloud]

you'd cycle them

[crimson steppe]

since the commander only gives the "first" draw, the miracle effect

[hardy cloud]

so if there is a card that reads draw 1 put back one you can just put back your expensive cards to draw later

[crimson steppe]

currently, one of the funny things you can do

[hardy cloud]

instead of just putting them ontop of the deck waiting a turn and then playing it which is so fucking slow

[crimson steppe]

enemies cannot play spells anymore

[hardy cloud]

are there static "negate" spells in magic , like cards that would disable a card for a turn cuz imagine having 2 decrees of silence on the board + that white card , and no one can play anything

[crimson steppe]

if you had cards that gave all your spells flash, and cast these in response

[hardy cloud]

@shell widget we doing this? i got time for a game or 2

[shell widget]

[crimson steppe]

but the commander deck though

[hardy cloud]

@crimson steppe over 40 creatures on the board

[shell widget]

https://moxfield.com/decks/RkSEyXmuNki1c-rwOOWv3A

[crimson steppe]

@hardy cloud https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3e7da55c-7f05-46b2-aa3c-17f8d5df46bb.jpg?1626099262

[shell widget]

how much do I value having friends?

[crimson steppe]

perhaps that deck could fight my grand arbiter deck

[shell widget]

you mean this grand arbiter?

[crimson steppe]

[shell widget]

the grand arbiter that is the commander of the deck?

[crimson steppe]

yes

[shell widget]

https://moxfield.com/decks/m1FnUIvr1k-qqKc-G0O1Rw

[crimson steppe]

https://moxfield.com/decks/byXkQVnq-EGMSm9DwRdMww

[shell widget]

so yours is more powerful but mine is more salty

[crimson steppe]

it's one of those commanders that are fun to make if you like control decks
but nobody will ever want to play against it

[shell widget]

yep

if I was gonna play cedh or higher level edh then I'd play control

I like aggro at lower teirs of play because it's more fun

[crimson steppe]

if I were to make an intentional competitive deck
I'd make it with this heliod as the commander, and fill it up with ways
to get the walking balista on the field as fast as possible

[shell widget]

yeah, just ping people to death

[crimson steppe]

it goes infinite immediately- only requiring the commander on the field, and the walking balista

[shell widget]

oh yeah, give the balista lifelink

remove counter, gain life

[crimson steppe]

if heliod gives it lifelink, it adds counters whenever it deals damage, letting it infinitely deal damage

[shell widget]

put counter back on

repeat

[crimson steppe]

I intentionally power my decks down though

I avoid infinite combos, and I don't much like tutors

just personal preference

[shell widget]

I like combos but only when they're stupidly complex to put togehter

[crimson steppe]

yee

https://moxfield.com/decks/2wcU7aYf8U6zRLk_GS_TAw

deck designed to win via the maze's end, card https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-E0D1l-normal.webp?198520581

[shell widget]

that's very cool

[shell widget]

@hardy cloud @vast fossil @raven shore some magic tonight?

[hardy cloud]

i am can do a game or 2

[raven shore]

Can't, I got guest over rn

[shell widget]

imagine being social

[vast fossil]

not todey i gotta get sleep early

[hardy cloud]

@crimson steppe wanna watch us play magic?

[raven shore]

Btw I upgraded my PC so I don't have the software that you guys play on, what's it called again?

[shell widget]

cockatrice

[raven shore]

Thx

[crimson steppe]

https://moxfield.com/decks/0mAG9PXxZUOocYoDVU-nXg

[crimson steppe]

Tortle deck

[shell widget]

ahh Landfall, my old nemesis

[vast fossil]

@shell widget @hardy cloud @raven shore you guys wanna play magic today at some point? I got a power level 1/2 deck thats so stupid i gotta try it

[shell widget]

sure

[hardy cloud]

Yea I am down

[vast fossil]

i mean you guys free now?

although i'd ask you both use bad decks or meme decks xD

[hardy cloud]

Yep I am literally just fucking around in nightreign

[shell widget]

yeah, I'm free

[vast fossil]

noice

[crimson steppe]

https://moxfield.com/decks/0mAG9PXxZUOocYoDVU-nXg

[vast fossil]

if i use this as a commander, am i able to discard it from the commander zone? like how does the granduer work on it?

[shell widget]

no, he has to be in your hand

[vast fossil]

so if using him as commander i'd never be able to trigger that?

[shell widget]

you would have to bounce him to your hand somehow

[crimson steppe]

you also cannot use him in commander

since he says "another"

cannot discard himself

[shell widget]

also that

[vast fossil]

does say he can be used in commander

[crimson steppe]

you can use him, but he cannot use his ability on himself

[vast fossil]

yeah thats what i assumed okidoki

[crimson steppe]

if you happened to have him on board, make a clone of him, then bounce the original to your hand
then you could discard the original, using the clone's ability

[vast fossil]

im trying to make a "mostly" lands deck

[crimson steppe]

[crimson steppe]

land decks are fun, my archelos I just made is one

though my archelos deck is a "lands matter" type

[vast fossil]

ok i've found a way to make my deck way better by putting these 2 cards as my commander (i found out the commander i was using was basically useless)

[shell widget]

yeah the one you were using was basically just a land that tapped for 2 mana

[vast fossil]

and cost like 4 to get out xD

but you think those 2 will work well? for sure the blue one gives me way faster draw

[shell widget]

probably yes, both are mana sinks and as you're guarenteed to hit all your land drops, you'll have a lot of mana to spend

[vast fossil]

i more so want to get the lands out for the abilities and thinning deck to get win cons rather than mana

unless you say i should add some spells and instants but then its not a full land deck you see

[shell widget]

I'm not saying that

I'm just saying that they work well with what you are doing

[vast fossil]

whats mana sink mean then?

[shell widget]

just means that they're cards you can put a ton of mana into

[vast fossil]

oh right, so gives me a reason to use the mana

[shell widget]

like there's never a time that activating Thrasios is a bad thing in your deck

[vast fossil]

wanna just do a quick game just us 2 to test it?

[shell widget]

and then Kamahl can be another wincon

sure

[kind current]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SipsTea/comments/1lcn7hd/the_guy_who_pulled_the_one_ring_magic_card_worth/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[vast fossil]

anyone wanna do some magic before or during jeannies normal stream time?

[shell widget]

sure

[shell widget]

bot in the server btw

[vast fossil]

the one that was just yeeted or another?

[shell widget]

it's still posting I think

[vast fossil]

yeah i see

[vast fossil]

@hardy cloud @shell widget so drake you got your internet back you down for some majik?

[hardy cloud]

yeh

[hardy cloud]

damn building a sliver deck turned out to be more complicated than i thought , there is a 115 of these fuckers in the game

@crimson steppe @shell widget how stupid would it be to make a deck with 60 creatures in it

[shell widget]

60 creatures? dumb
60 slivers? less dumb

[hardy cloud]

its 60 slivers

not a single changeling even

just 60 slivers

there are too many of these fuckers

the deck is 120 cards and i havent even added any interaction yet just the mana base and senergy stuff

time to cut ... alot

[shell widget]

me when I get depressed

[hardy cloud]

https://moxfield.com/decks/Nj6UiVyxwEaBjgBiYNQjBg
this is what this cluster fuck looks like rn

[vast fossil]

@shell widget @hardy cloud you guys about for a game?

[shell widget]

SURE

sry caps

XD

[vast fossil]

OKAY

[hardy cloud]

Can't, have to suffer a wedding for the next 3-4 hours

[hardy cloud]

Someone turned one of yugiohs most overtuned monsters into a magic card and now I just imagine how absolutely busted this would be

First line is meant to say without paying btw

[crimson steppe]

though iona is banned in commander(for good reason)

[hardy cloud]

You still have to pay mana for these things, I can drop fenrir turn 1

[crimson steppe]

[shell widget]

I can also concede turn 1

[crimson steppe]

to be fair, even if it comes down turn one, it's really just an earlier "aerial extortionist"

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/5353bcb9-800d-4d74-95fa-42350a0f25de.jpg?1706240549

[hardy cloud]

True except outside of commander , fenrir can tutor for itself once a turn so if you out it , I have another

[crimson steppe]

[crimson steppe]

serra's emissary is one of the win-cons in my angel tribal deck
is funny because your opponents can't blocks your creatures anymore(even though all angels already fly)
but the real funny thing, is that enemy creatures cannot even damage you with attacks

I really want to make a commander deck with this one https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/5/5/55c9e915-9cee-45c3-96aa-9dfd5a600d0a.jpg?1707370996

but I'm just not sure there are enough cards that trigger his ability

[shell widget]

only a few off the top of my head admittedly

fact or fiction

and the numerous alternate versions of it

OH

the ones with council's dilemma would trigger it

there's quite a few of them now

[crimson steppe]

I think since the toymaker says "each end step" that persistent stuff would be the ideal
so cards like "fight or flight" that activates each enemy combat: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/46bde162-3737-4b93-a27a-63b909a4183d.jpg?1562909374

[hardy cloud]

Btw what do you think of this Catastrophy aiz

[crimson steppe]

slivers were the original "tribal" theme, before it was an actual theme

I started my mtg adventures making tribal decks

[hardy cloud]

So that's why there is so fucking many of them

[crimson steppe]

much like your dragon deck, you can also use morophon in this one, since he's technically a sliver, and makes the 5 colour slivers free

I tried making a sliver tribal once, but with the one that gives all slivers cascade

[hardy cloud]

Yeah but since most of them are cheap af I felt like it's not necessary deck already has 50 creatures

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2c523ef7-d6c4-4887-9a4e-0c2bc6f63676.jpg?1702429567

in a heavy creature deck

the two tribal decks I currently have, are "angels" and "horrors"
giada as angel commander, and n'ghathrod as horror commander

[crimson steppe]

the strong part of slivers, is also that pretty much all of them have "anthem" effects
so with a lot of them on the field, they become a serious threat

[hardy cloud]

Yeah thats why I want alot of draw and mana gen in the deck, but 50 creatures kinda take up alot of space

And If I want any interaction what so ever its gonna be a tight fit

[crimson steppe]

especially if the creatures "has" to be a certain tribe, yee
been through it with clerics tribe I once tried to make

[hardy cloud]

The first build of this deck had 60 slivers in it there are 115 of these fuckers apparently

[crimson steppe]

for card draw slivers, you're missing these two
though dormant sliver makes your slivers unable to attack
so I can see why you don't want that, if combat is your means of victory

[hardy cloud]

Mnemonic is so neg unless you do it with tokens so nah I want enchantment draw like that project card

Also mana gen , there is that one card I am running which gives me mana = to the amount of slivers on the board every time I play one but it's only colorless so I will run out of colors I wanna come up with a combo where if I get overlord + enough slivers on the board + some mana gen cards I can go through my whole deck and play every sliver in it

[crimson steppe]

smothering is a "gamechanger" though

[hardy cloud]

Still not quite what I am looking for , again I am looking to go infinite with cards like mana echos

But I need something that generates colored mana the deck has an infinite in it rn with sliver queen and mana echos + any other sliver for infinite tokens tho

[crimson steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/palmsprings-palmspringsmovie-timeloop-quarantine-life-gif-18086925

[hardy cloud]

Hmm I think I have it

Mana echos + manaweft sliver + sliver queen and overlord is infinite tokens , infinite searches and infinite mana

Actually I need the one that gives them haste too

5 card combo

[hardy cloud]

i dont think i need sliver queen

to start the infinte

i just need 5 mana and mana waft on the board and the haste sliver

[vast fossil]

@hardy cloud @shell widget you guys free in like an hour?

[hardy cloud]

nope

ill be free in like 2 hours

[vast fossil]

aye i can do that too

[vast fossil]

@crimson steppe i did a thing

[shell widget]

https://moxfield.com/decks/P611DIcT0UWUUzRpIJZ00g

The Roon deck list btw

[crimson steppe]

blink decks always interested me, I wanted to make one with "preston the vanisher" though

@shell widget https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/952cb0b3-a6b7-4279-8833-3d8890b2d005.jpg?1675644393

so blinks and resurrections

[shell widget]

I guess my only concern would be that it's only in white so you miss out on a lot of stuff

[crimson steppe]

his ability sounds interesting though

even if he didn't have the bottom part

[shell widget]

yeah, maybe better as a payoff card in another deck then his own commander

Btw, I won one of our games with my Roon deck by using Archeomancer to have endless cyclonic rifts

[crimson steppe]

my archelos land's matter deck has a few combo's that continues indefinitely, only limited by mana
though every use of it also gives me more mana

[shell widget]

[crimson steppe]

https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-43lqG-normal.webp?201690435

put this on a creature that brings in lands when it enters

[shell widget]

yeah... that'd do it

[crimson steppe]

https://moxfield.com/decks/0mAG9PXxZUOocYoDVU-nXg

archelos also makes all my lands enter untapped

used to have nine-fingers as the commander https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/5480ac0a-883a-4f73-8e7c-56d64be410a3.jpg?1674137637

but decided on archelos instead

[shell widget]

yeah Archelos seems like a better fit tbh

[crimson steppe]

archelos also offers some security for the win-condition, since maze's end enters untapped

entire deck is intended to secure a win with maze's end, but as a deck where everything that isn't a land itself
is designed to make lands enter, naturally it does have the landfall creatures as well

can't make a land's deck without scute swarm

[shell widget]

very true

[shell widget]

@vast fossil @hardy cloud magic or nr or something for a bit?

[vast fossil]

nah i gotta be up in the morn

im going to bed

[hardy cloud]

i can run a few

[vast fossil]

btw keep an eye out for a ping in a min in general

[shell widget]

will do

[crimson steppe]

[hardy cloud]

are these real?

[shell widget]

[crimson steppe]

yee

newest reveal

wizards collabing with sonic

I don't know if they plan to release a whole new set, but at least they have these
and a bunch of sonic-themed reprints

[vast fossil]

eggman looks cool to me, but surely no player is gonna not discard?

might even help some decks that like to discard

[crimson steppe]

eggman will probably be a forced discard deck, with some strong payoffs from his ability to cheat stuff in

[vast fossil]

oh so force the enemy to bin their hand?

[crimson steppe]

yup !

he also has card draw on him, which is always good on a commander

[crimson steppe]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/187502d9-c751-4967-adff-09d7a300d935.jpg?1674141804

forced discard is also a fun theme

tried to make this commander several times: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/4063be5b-bfd9-43c5-bc39-09a40bc793bf.jpg?1632261785

not a fan of mono black though

[crimson steppe]

one of the reaaally strong discard commanders

I like tinybones though, since inherent card draw

speaking of commanders, I purchased this one for about 60 or so euro

the cheapest version of her now, is about 120 euro

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-rew-inside-rewi-distorted-dank-gif-17183483

[shell widget]

[hardy cloud]

sounds to me like its time to flip it for 200 euro and make bank

[shell widget]

honestly it's kinda why I hate the tcg space

too many "collectors" driving the price up and stopping others from being able to play properly

[hardy cloud]

@vast fossil @shell widget i wont be able to sleep for a while , wanna run a game or 2?

[vast fossil]

cannon cant cos hes streaming, and i wont because im sleeping

[shell widget]

I'm bg3ing iwth the bois rn

[vast fossil]

or about to

[hardy cloud]

ah rip

guess ill cry myself to sleep then

[vast fossil]

can maybe run 1 game of nightreign tho if you want?

[hardy cloud]

nah go to sleep its fine

[vast fossil]

its fine i can play 1 round instead of watching an ep of tv

[hardy cloud]

i am not in the headspace for something as fast paced as NR rn ngl

so yeah just go slep

[vast fossil]

fairs

[hardy cloud]

ill get over myself in a few

[hardy cloud]

i just lost a game because i left someone alive on 1 life due to not seeing a blocker

[shell widget]

it happens

[shell widget]

https://moxfield.com/decks/P611DIcT0UWUUzRpIJZ00g

[crimson steppe]

https://moxfield.com/decks/9l8Uo9ybFEWlv6yoVNIs4A

[crimson steppe]

for the uninitiated; each single untap is a seperate mesmeric orb trigger
so water crystal essentially makes each 1 untap mill 5 cards

[hardy cloud]

Adding water crystal into my self mill deck is definitely a bad idea with me routinely decking out buuuuuuuuut it would be funny

[crimson steppe]

it only increases mill for opponents

[hardy cloud]

Ah I can't read

[crimson steppe]

the combo is especially funny in a bruvac deck: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2ce2d73f-3f64-44db-a2bc-a8f4a37dc487.jpg?1702550789

makes each singular untap into 10 milled cards

[shell widget]

https://moxfield.com/decks/8Dn0sAuoX0mdytSluKAH8g

[shell widget]

@hardy cloud @vast fossil some magic?

[hardy cloud]

i was gonna try and nap b4 possible stream buuuuut fuck it

who needs sleep anyways

[shell widget]

if you need sleep then go sleep

dumbass

[hardy cloud]

nah i will choose to fuck myself over instead

[vast fossil]

not magic today sorry just not in the mood for it, if you guys switch to like nightreign after let me know

[hardy cloud]

@crimson steppe this is turn 7

[hardy cloud]

protect the castle style deck with this thing

you simply cant lose

[crimson steppe]

or in reverse, make this your commander: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2373625-af3c-4c2a-a1d1-5288c446955d.jpg?1673148447

[hardy cloud]

the idea of the thing above is to just play a shit ton of protection and counterspells then try to resolve some alternate win con like that one apporach of the 2nd sun spell

so i am unkillable while having inivitablilty

[shell widget]

@hardy cloud @vast fossil you guys up for some magic before dnd today?

[hardy cloud]

Maybe

[shell widget]

helpful

[hardy cloud]

Kinda woke up feeling like shit today so idk if I'll be up to it come night 🤷‍♂️

[vast fossil]

Also a maybe for me, I've been working on the eldrazi deck, depends if I get it done by later

[hardy cloud]

also D&D is tmr no?

its friday

and we do it on sat

[shell widget]

right, yes

I'm getting my days muddled up

[hardy cloud]

[hardy cloud]

currently working on making a deck with this thing as commander and approach of the 2nd sun as win con i cant die and you cant do anything about it as i win the game

[shell widget]

so it's just kill the commander or lose the game

[hardy cloud]

yes but i have like a shit ton of protection

[shell widget]

can still cause you to lose life

can still counter your spells

[hardy cloud]

i mean yeah no deck is gonna be unable to lose

[shell widget]

can cause each player to do something

just thinking it through for myself

[hardy cloud]

but the idea is sound

[shell widget]

main downside is the commander is so expensive

[hardy cloud]

yeah

[shell widget]

so also weak to aggro

[hardy cloud]

and no ramp in white blue afaik

[shell widget]

there's a chunck in white actually

but mostly artifact ramp

[hardy cloud]

[shell widget]

there's quite a few white creatures that say: "go find a plains if an opponent has more lands then you"

[vast fossil]

if i manage to ramp well and get my commander out first, i can counter this with my eldrazi deck

guess thats a clue to my commander too

[shell widget]

annihilator will get around it for sure

[hardy cloud]

how does annihilator interact if i have protection from colorless

[shell widget]

Kozilek countering it will also stop it

[shell widget]

I think that it still works

because the ability isn't targeting you or your permenant

it just happens

[hardy cloud]

[vast fossil]

its not annihilator that makes me able to counter

[shell widget]

and protection would only stop the damage and not the attack itself

[vast fossil]

and yeah annihilator just says you must destroy 2 permenants when the creature attacks

[shell widget]

*sacrifice

[vast fossil]

well yeah

[shell widget]

very important distinction

[vast fossil]

but yeah this is what makes my deck able to counter

[shell widget]

so it's kozilek

[vast fossil]

yee

[shell widget]

noice

tis my favourite

[vast fossil]

kozilek with a little green and a little black

[shell widget]

you can only have colourless cards if Kozilek is the commander

[vast fossil]

can you?

[crimson steppe]

artifact(mana rocks) ramp is the main source of ramp in any colour besides green
green is the outlier that disobeys the rules of all the other colours

[shell widget]

you can only include colours in the deck if the colour is on the commander itself

[vast fossil]

well thats a stupid ass rule

okay well my deck wont be ready toda then