help-development

[mortal hare]

that way you can manage permissions and other configurable stuff in the files and only the action logic inside the code, just like you already do with enchantments for example

commands/hello.json

{
  "type": "minecraft:literal",
  "nodes": {
    "world": {
      "type": "minecraft:literal"
      "nodes": []
      "permission": {
        "level": "minecraft:operator"
      }
      "action": "handlers:world"
    }
  }
}

example datapack json file

you would define permission levels are predicate handlers inside registries and actions as consumers of command dispatcher inside another registry

it even aligns with minecraft datapack fashion, i think its just a matter of time till this comes to vanilla NMS

[echo basalt]

didn't lucko do this

[mortal hare]

iiirc there's something like this but it it has its own syntax and uses some kind of weird configuration format

specifically for brigadier

what i would try to do is to make it as close to datapacks as possible

with json

[echo basalt]

lame

I wouldn't call it revolutionary

developers still need to link commands to actions

why use a config file for it over, let's say, a well built api

[mortal hare]

to expose server admins to disable certain command nodes

or change their behaviour in plug and play fashion

[echo basalt]

they'd need to know the full brigadier syntax

server admins don't care about that

they're really practical and would rather just have all commands that start with "/world *" disabled

[mortal hare]

either way configuration like this is hardcoded into source code with constants which do not change

[echo basalt]

what's the point of having hardcoded configuration in the first place, over, let's say, a typed API

[mortal hare]

so it must belong to config file

the same reason we have custom enchantments with actions we can have commands too

mojang already did something like this similar with custom enchantments in datapacks

where they assign actions of what enchantment does essentially but allowing you to register more enchantments in case you want to extend the NMS registry for that

[echo basalt]

It's a different scenario because we can already do custom commands

and even custom enchants don't use hardcoded json configs

[unborn hollow]

What exactly is ClientboundPlayerInfoUpdatePacket used for?

Like I know the name might be self explanatory but is there other applications than for making player npcs?

[chrome beacon]

It's used to inform the client of players

[unborn hollow]

Ty

[young void]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[pseudo hazel]

lmao pay up

[lilac dagger]

ai is expensive

ah wait

this is pro+

i assume pro is less no?

[burnt trench]

Hey! Do you know how to modify spigot to my likings and want to help me? https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/modifying-spigot-server-software.712677/

[mortal hare]

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Tutorial:Adding_custom_enchantments

{
  "description": "Reach",
  "supported_items": "#minecraft:enchantable/mining",
  "weight": 5,
  "max_level": 3,
  "min_cost": {
    "base": 1,
    "per_level_above_first": 1
  },
  "max_cost": {
    "base": 51,
    "per_level_above_first": 10
  },
  "anvil_cost": 4,
  "slots": [
    "hand"
  ],
  "effects": {
    "minecraft:attributes": [
      {
        "id": "block_interaction_range",
        "attribute": "minecraft:block_interaction_range",
        "amount": {
          "type": "minecraft:linear",
          "base": 1,
          "per_level_above_first": 1
        },
        "operation": "add_value",
        "uuid": "3a4f09dc-231d-41ac-8c6b-ba5adb86ac0c"
      }
    ]
  }
}

?

it does use operations, attributes which are registered inside NMS registries for custom enchantments

enchantments including vanilla ones are defined in the datapack itself

since 1.21

its just that bukkit api provides a programatic way to define them via the API

everything that can be configurable is being moved into datapacks and I adore mojang for this

datapacks already supports functions which are essentially a bundle of commands which can be executed in order to do something, you can use .mcfunction files to define command actions for brigadier registration
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Function_(Java_Edition)

of course you extend this with mods through injecting custom command handlers using NMS but the concept is already there

every component that mojang needs to make commands configurable and declarative is there

mojang is seeking to make datapacks its own server API but with commands in order to loosely couple version compatibility with newer or older minecraft versions

its starting to become a modern vanilla skript

advancements in datapacks already uses functions to give rewards to the players for example:

{
    "rewards": {
         "function": "test:test"
    }
}

tbh i more and more lean towards fabrics approach of modding minecraft client/server

it closely aligns with NMS

NMS is not what it was in 2013 anymore (spaghetti hardcoded mess)

and mojang refactors of NMS code are astounding since 1.13

i believe that developers should adopt datapacks as their primary source content creation, even if its limiting or can cause performance issues in some areas

if its limiting, you can always design a mixin for a fabric or a plugin for spigot which extends the datapack standard to add new functionality into the server which is not in the game server code yet, instead of hardcoding the rules into the .jar blobs or using server software specific configuration files like plugin config.yml

[pseudo hazel]

yeah they have pro probably, but then they ran put so the only sane solution is empty your credit card a bit more so you can ask your ai how to write a progress bar or whatever

[thorn isle]

lmao

[young knoll]

I mean a lot of stuff is data driven now

But that’s really only for configuring things, like biomes and recipes

[quaint mantle]

IDE really said robot rights

[ivory sleet]

im not sure about this one dovidas- dont think u were cooking with that one

[pseudo hazel]

its a bit of a leap to go from 'nms has improved" to "we should all use datapacks for our plugins"

[young knoll]

Pfft

Use command blocks

[ivory sleet]

i do wonder whats the overhead if we regard executing a cmd through a datapack contrary to just invoking it directly w the command dispatcher

[thorn isle]

you say that as a joke, but aside from configuring the data-driven registries and such, datapacks are pretty much just copy pasting a bunch of command blocks and redstone into your world's spawn chunks

[pseudo hazel]

the command block, thats how it all started

classic

[young knoll]

I remember those old one command machines

Good times

[mortal hare]

they're optimized versions of that pretty much

without block ticking and other redstone nonsense with rideable commandblocks and other shenanigans

[mortal hare]

datapack gets loaded during the world load iirc, some things are preloaded before execution

[smoky anchor]

Datapacks parse all the commands in functions (excluding the macro ones) and execute those
If you dispatch a command in plugin, MC has to parse the command every time

[ivory sleet]

yea but

thats obvious

[mortal hare]

sure it does have overhead but you can mainly fix it with good hot cache

it has more pros than cons imo

[ivory sleet]

yes but thats not what I said, I meant directly invoking the command

since thats a more fair comparison since w datapacks u already know the command in mind

(usually)

[mortal hare]

I mean really how much can command handling really impact your server

i think its kind of cheap

[ivory sleet]

a lot of things are cheap on their own

[mortal hare]

not as cheap as API, but cheaper than entity ticking for sure

[ivory sleet]

its when you scale where issues start to arise

[mortal hare]

conceptually you can always register your own native mcfunctions inside registry via java if you care about performance

and just hook it up using namespace inside datapack

handling everything atomically through commands can be kinda awful for performance

[ivory sleet]

i mean yea but that wasnt exactly my point

[young knoll]

Datapacks are notorious for performance hits

If they do things onTick

[mortal hare]

well that can be performance hit even by using bukkit api by scheduling ticks

not as much as lets say datapacks due to overhead but if you suck you can make it happen 😄

[young knoll]

Yes but with Bukkit you don’t need to search through all entities every time you want to do something

You can just cache them by uuid

[ivory sleet]

i could see datapacks potentially being more performant than api in certain hotspots since they potentially receive better native support- correct me if im wrong but doesnt datapacks involve a lot of registry lookups, like a serious amount of it?

you obv cant create intrusives

[mortal hare]

im not saying that datapack is capable right now to do everything as bukkit api, im raising an idea to make unofficial extensions of datapack standard to provide ways to do things which datapacks currently do not expose

[ivory sleet]

so lookup by namespace/resource key

[mortal hare]

by also providing the datapack standard suggestions to minecraft feedback

so that way they would be maybe implemented by mojang officially

just like with ecmascript standard

well this is an overstretch

but server modding community should embrace datapacks in a way to extend their functionality and then push them to the mojang devs as a PoC to implement them officially

[young knoll]

The biggest issue

[slender elbow]

mojang? standard?

[young knoll]

Is datapacks load before plugins

Shut up paper

[ivory sleet]

dovidas, so you still stand by this?

i believe that developers should adopt datapacks as their primary source content creation, even if its limiting or can cause performance issues in some areas

[slender elbow]

mojang standing by a "datapack standard" just means they can't refactor things when they should

[mortal hare]

yes, but i believe that developers shouldnt use scoreboards to store data in a ram and instead do mixins which extend datapack standard to provide more efficient algorithms

[slender elbow]

datapacks are already versioned and pretty extensively documented

[mortal hare]

basically instead of trying to avoid datapacks with custom API's which do not match NMS anymore that well, embrace them by wrapping extensions in a way that follows vanilla nature

[ivory sleet]

that might be possible on platforms that dont offer an api interface

[young knoll]

How do you think datapacks store things

[ivory sleet]

but mixins n api dont go very well together

[slender elbow]

let me introduce you to the concept of
putting things in a map

[mortal hare]

you dont get the idea. The idea is to provide generic api's exposed from datapacks which are currently non standard in minecraft datapacks but exist in bukkit api

by implementing those extensions through fabric mixins as server mods

[thorn isle]

anything remotely recursive or programmatic with datapacks is going to perform like shit

because your "stack frame" is now like 1,500 lines of command parsing code

[mortal hare]

you compute the command tree once and be done with it

im not saying write everything in .mcfunction

[slender elbow]

except that you can't do that for every command

[young knoll]

Datapacks still store data in chests placed in a force loaded chunk by the world border

[thorn isle]

that's called inlining, and we do it in the programming world, and there is a limit to it

you can't inline the entire application

[ivory sleet]

you sure?

[slender elbow]

one of the biggest performance hogs in data packs is the fact that so many commands need to be parsed every time they run

if you remove commands, data packs aren't really an issue

because it's just configuration

[young knoll]

Parsing selectors isn’t cheap

[mortal hare]

im talking not about .mcfunction files, but about declarative configuration files in datapakcs like advancements or custom enchantments where they're only parsed once on world load

[slender elbow]

but then that is no longer a command tree you parse?

[mortal hare]

{
  "description": "Reach",
  "supported_items": "#minecraft:enchantable/mining",
  "weight": 5,
  "max_level": 3,
  "min_cost": {
    "base": 1,
    "per_level_above_first": 1
  },
  "max_cost": {
    "base": 51,
    "per_level_above_first": 10
  },
  "anvil_cost": 4,
  "slots": [
    "hand"
  ],
  "effects": {
    "minecraft:attributes": [
      {
        "id": "block_interaction_range",
        "attribute": "minecraft:block_interaction_range",
        "amount": {
          "type": "minecraft:linear",
          "base": 1,
          "per_level_above_first": 1
        },
        "operation": "add_value",
        "uuid": "3a4f09dc-231d-41ac-8c6b-ba5adb86ac0c"
      }
    ]
  }
}

this is not a command, this is declared enchantment type which is loaded

[slender elbow]

a command is a command, not a command is not a command

yes, that is not a command

shockingly

[young knoll]

That’s an enchantment definition

[ivory sleet]

[mortal hare]

commands/hello.json

{
  "type": "minecraft:literal",
  "nodes": {
    "world": {
      "type": "minecraft:literal"
      "nodes": []
      "permission": {
        "level": "minecraft:operator"
      }
      "action": "handlers:world"
    }
  }
}

example datapack json file

[slender elbow]

you compute the command tree once and be done with it

[thorn isle]

you can't replace a plugin with these

[mortal hare]

this is the command node declaration

[slender elbow]

but not all commands can be parsed once

[mortal hare]

what gets executed you implement it in java and register manually via nms registry or implement it via .mcfunction

[slender elbow]

that's the point

i'm talking about command execution, not definition

the definition happens once, yes

it has to

but every time you need to execute a command it needs to parse it

and that is the expensive part

[mortal hare]

and that's that im trying to achieve, declare command definitions, not handle everything in .mcfunctions

[slender elbow]

that is the sole reason data packs can be a performance problem

[mortal hare]

you can but its better to use nms registries for that

[slender elbow]

you can't do shit with simply a command tree declaration if you don't run it

[young knoll]

@e[scores={poop=1..5}]

[mortal hare]

expose brigadier definiitions through datapack config files

and attach actions through namespaced keys

[young knoll]

Yay looping through every entity

[mortal hare]

basically im trying to implement declarable command definitions in datapacks, and then command executions with specific namespaced key like "minecraft:warp:spawn" which will get bound either with .mcfunction file which executes command or you can use a mixin to register your own custom command executor via the code

"action" key is Consumer<CommandDispatcher> which will be either parsed .mcfunction file or your own custom implementation passed manually

just like they do with custom enchantments

or with advancements

with custom enchantments there a namespaced keys with registered effects for an enchantment in a registry

[thorn isle]

and i suppose all of these command executions will strictly be no-args consumers and receive no parameters, or we end up encoding the parameters as strings

[mortal hare]

why do you think so

for .mcfunction files the functionality would be limited but for manual registration you can expose the whole command dispatcher context

just like brigadier already does in NMS

the point is to remove hardcoded declarations of command nodes from the code and put it inside declarations so that you can tweak those things easier without recompiling code

bukkit plugin.yml already does something like this with its command section

[slender elbow]

lol

[mortal hare]

but its outdated in a way that it only supports handling root command node without any child nodes

its stuck in legacy era prior to brigadier

[thorn isle]

and how precisely do i for example pass a blockposition that isn't a "compile-time constant" to the command handler?

[mortal hare]

you pass it as a numeric argument inside a command and use brigadiers command dispatcher context to retrieve the value?

[thorn isle]

so we encode it as a string

[mortal hare]

bruh

if you do onCommand and get the argument is it int by default?

your argument doesnt make sense

[thorn isle]

commands parse strings

in the trivial case of a blockposition which is just three integers, parsing it is simple and fairly cheap

[mortal hare]

im not saying EXECUTION in a config files. DECLARATION of static command nodes should be inside configuration files

[thorn isle]

but for more complex data, this will not hold

[slender elbow]

what problem does this solve anyway?

[thorn isle]

yes, but if we want to get any kind of data into that EXECUTION, we are going to have to get it there from the context of the declaration

and that means throwing strings back and forth

[mortal hare]

you already do this in bukkit command api

[thorn isle]

yes, for manually issued commands

now imagine if we did it for something that gets invoked on player move

every time damage is dealt to an entity? functions can be invoked very frequently

[mortal hare]

i clarified that .mcfunction files are just one way to create command executors. you can make your own custom command executors by doing a fabric mixing to nms registry which would handle things in java fashion for you

.mcfunction command handler are just being used for simple text based commands

[thorn isle]

yes and i'm saying that for those executors to do anything useful, they need to receive some kind of context to operate on

[mortal hare]

ofc, and im not negating that, but the same principle goes for custom enchantments

[thorn isle]

and to get that context to them, since they are commands, they need to be encoded as strings, which is haram

[mortal hare]

yet mojang implemented that knowing that

in 1.21 with enchantment effects are being in the code but declaration in config files

[thorn isle]

mojang is hardly a source of ground truth

[mortal hare]

it should be a hybrid nature. you can expect to put everything in commands

if you want performance register a custom command handler inside registry which handles things for you and then reference that handler via namespaced key in brigadier declaration configuration file

[wet breach]

have to realize that some things they do is in relation to realms

[slender elbow]

i still don't know what the problem is that this is attempting to solve

[mortal hare]

fixing plugin.yml command section

by providing access to child nodes

instead of whole ass command

[slender elbow]

and why does mojang care about plugin.yml when someone could PR a brigadier exposure api?

[wet breach]

never had an issue with plugin.yml and commands =/

[mortal hare]

by controlling permissions levels, executions aliases per child node declaratively instead of doing parsing outside manually

[slender elbow]

like, why is mojang the one responsible for doing this?

instead of the api responsible for requiring a plugin.yml in the first place?

[mortal hare]

...

[wet breach]

permission levels? What issue are you having with commands and permission levels?

[mortal hare]

its so hard to explain lmao

[wet breach]

there is only like 3 permission levels provided by the vanilla server

and you can set them in the plugin.yml if you really want to

[mortal hare]

you know there's only 2 bosses which uses boss bar in minecraft but yet they expose boss bar command to create custom ones

because they know its used feature

they dont ignore server modders

[slender elbow]

you say the problem is "plugin.yml command section [not] providing access to child nodes"
then the people responsible for requiring a plugin.yml should be responsible to change that, not mojang in their game

[thorn isle]

i wouldn't mind having some expanded datapack api that lets us register a receiver for a function through the bukkit api, but then again the extant datapack api is basically not very extant so that goes for a lot of related things

[wet breach]

I don't use datapacks

have yet to really have a use for them

[slender elbow]

and you don't have to

[mortal hare]

because they're limited in a nature

[thorn isle]

only if you want to fiddle with registries without nms, really

[wet breach]

well I can't really see them being more free then default language either

[mortal hare]

and if mojang expanded it as it does now it can replace like 60-70% things that bukkit does just on configuration

there's a reason why they moved lots of server.properties rules inside nms registries too

[wet breach]

but the things it replaces in bukkit does it really matter though? o.O

[mortal hare]

it leaves less work to have for bukkit devs

and there would be better parity

with vanilla NMS

lets be real bukkit api is an outdated api

which works

but requires hacks to do so

[thorn isle]

some parts of it like world generation are, most of it not really

[wet breach]

outdated? And what has replaced it?

if nothing has replaced it, then it isn't outdated

[thorn isle]

tbf if you want to do custom world generation you would probably be better off with datapacks than bukkit at this point

[mortal hare]

i have high criticism for spigot for not adopting brigadier api or at least wrapping it in a decent way

[wet breach]

not entirely sure on this, you can do quite a lot of world generation with the API and then you could just hook into NMS if you need something further

[young knoll]

Custom worldgen still doesn’t work on realms

[thorn isle]

i don't really think the solution is whatever we're talking about currently though, rather maybe a worldgen 2.0 api might be in order

[young knoll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1017515898870956154.gif?size=48&name=pepe_laugh&quality=lossless

[mortal hare]

the way spigot wraps brigadier is a massive hack just for the sake of legacy compatibility with old api standards

[young knoll]

That’s true for a lot of the api

[wet breach]

not sure why people care so much about command frameworks

[thorn isle]

never had a problem with them

[mortal hare]

but they deprecate those things, or at least provide new ways to do things

we dont have neither proper text components nor commands which are miles better in NMS

[wet breach]

I have personally not cared much about brigadier and whatever it does.

[thorn isle]

it's alright but i'd rather not tie myself down to it

[wet breach]

I also don't attempt to block input either or whatever that preview thing is lol

since if you don't have access it doesn't really matter if you know the name of a command. I would make silly command names just to mess with people with that

[young knoll]

I mean we do have proper text components

They just can’t be used in most places

[mortal hare]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

exactly

[young knoll]

Blame choco

[wet breach]

idk what is meant about there isn't proper commands either

[thorn isle]

personally i think bukkit does everything that needs to be done in terms of commands

string goes in, tab completions maybe come out, something maybe happens

everything else is up to what you want to do

[mortal hare]

it skips argument types which client supports and parses everything as string literals

when client supports parsing boolean, integers, floats out of the box

[young knoll]

Yeah sadly you don’t get the nice errors on the client like you do with vanilla commands

[wet breach]

not sure why I care about the client here with those things

[thorn isle]

well... the server receives a string from the client

if you want to parse it with your magic mumbo jumbo, you can do that, just like the client does

[wet breach]

and that is all the client should be sending

[thorn isle]

precisely

[wet breach]

it starts to become a bit of a headache in terms of security if the client is sending anything other then a string when it comes to commands

[slender elbow]

you don't care about user experience?

[wet breach]

depends really

when ever I run a server, my players are not paying me and as long as that is the case then no I have no reason to really care

[thorn isle]

lol

well to be fair good error messages and feedback are always better

but i don't see what prevents you from emitting proper error messages with the current api

[wet breach]

that is what I have always done =/

always seems people want to do less and want more to happen all at once

[thorn isle]

not sure how it is on spigot but on paper at least you can register the command parameters through brigadier so the client gets the realtime parameter hints as well, but personally i think just tabcomplete is enough

[mortal hare]

that's the same as saying i dont see what prevent you from reverse engineering source code with the ghidra instead of having one in a first place

why bother doing something that's already there

[slender elbow]

wat

[wet breach]

what source code are you reverse engineering?

[eternal night]

[slender elbow]

how did we get here

[thorn isle]

string goes in, feedback comes out; that is all

how you do that depends on you

[young knoll]

The error messages come before you even send the command

[mortal hare]

also after sending it

on server side

[thorn isle]

you can use an existing library or a framework if you want, or you can reverse engineer source code for ghidra or whatever if you like, or you can write something simple yourself

if parseint throws, reply with the exception message

[young knoll]

I mean the after sending ones are trivial with the existing api

It’s the before ones that aren’t

[thorn isle]

yeah for the realtime parameter hints you do need to register it through brigadier so that the client can see the definition

i'm not sure if spigot supports this, paper does but i've never used it because imo error messages + tabcomplete + command help is enough

[wet breach]

kind of weird to do erroring before anything has been sent and seems like a lot of unnecessary work

[mortal hare]

it doesnt

it declares the commands as one argument string literal ones

for every registered command

in a brigadier

which is a hack

[slender elbow]

is it really all that weird to tell the user ahead of time "hey, this is not able to be parsed and is wrong"

i don't think it is

[wet breach]

it means I am using up processing for no reason though

[thorn isle]

it's limited to simple pattern matching which is an acceptable level of complexity imo

[slender elbow]

no you aren't

wat

[mortal hare]

oh no my precious 1ns

[wet breach]

it adds up

[slender elbow]

it really doesn't

it's a client thing, not a server thing

[thorn isle]

probably cheaper than spellcheck, plus it happens on the client so it's not my problem

[mortal hare]

you know what's more expensive? rendering the whole 3d scene on the gpu

[slender elbow]

okay

you know what is more expensive? calculating prime numbers up to a trillion

thank god i don't do that on my server

[thorn isle]

i don't do it on my server either, i hire third world people to do it for me by hand for cents on the hour instead

[mortal hare]

slavery

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-screaming-lady-rage-angry-gif-15730816

[wet breach]

I wonder if there is a ratio of people to server power where you could have enough people where its just as quick if a computer does it

[thorn isle]

depends on what you're doing sort of

[mortal hare]

i've actually saw yt video like couple years ago about this

someone had a thought about this but not sure who anymore

[thorn isle]

for example, there's a firm that hires indians to solve captchas despite image classification models being very cheap these days, because the indians are cheaper still

like cheaper than the electricity to run the model

[wet breach]

I was more or less talking about the prime number thing, but I guess anything else works too

[thorn isle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/324667367860862977/1410240954870403142/image.webp

all the reviews are 5 stars except the people working there who complain that they don't get paid

[slender elbow]

at that point just go flip burgers at maccas 💀

[worldly ingot]

mfw maccas 💀

You've been hanging out with too many Australians

[slender elbow]

i fail to see what the issue with that is

[worldly ingot]

You're right. Australians are kinda cool

[slender elbow]

i have met far more australians than canadians

so

[worldly ingot]

What are you getting at, huh!?

[slender elbow]

unless you come and fix that, australians are cooler

and they are funnier too

and they don't neighbour with the usa

[worldly ingot]

I mean...

TECHNICALLY

[wet breach]

weird I have the opposite problem

[young knoll]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[tender shard]

Is it possible to use Material#getMaterial without enabling legacy material support? It seems like using that method, even when setting the boolean param to false, it enables legacy material support

source: https://paste.md-5.net/axapajabuh.java

log:

[18:06:15] [Server thread/INFO]: [PrimeEssentials] Enabling PrimeEssentials v2.0.3-SNAPSHOT
[18:06:15] [Server thread/INFO]: [PrimeEssentials] Register LOCAL database provider for EssentialsDatabaseProvider
[18:06:15] [Server thread/INFO]: [PrimeEssentials] Schema is up to date
[18:06:15] [Server thread/INFO]: [PrimeEssentials] [ACF] Enabled Asynchronous Tab Completion Support!
[18:06:15] [Server thread/INFO]: [PrimeEssentials] Successfully hooked into PrimeFriends.
[18:06:15] [Server thread/INFO]: [PrimeEssentials] Register command defaults
[18:06:15] [Server thread/WARN]: [PrimeEssentials] Inventory Framework is running as a shaded non-relocated library. It's extremely recommended that you relocate the library package. Learn more about on docs: https://github.com/DevNatan/inventory-framework/wiki/Installation#preventing-library-conflicts
[18:06:15] [Server thread/WARN]: [org.bukkit.craftbukkit.legacy.CraftLegacy] Initializing Legacy Material Support. Unless you have legacy plugins and/or data this is a bug!
[18:06:21] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 43 recipes for wood type OAK
[18:06:21] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 43 recipes for wood type JUNGLE
[18:06:21] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 43 recipes for wood type DARK_OAK
[18:06:21] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 43 recipes for wood type ACACIA
[18:06:21] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 43 recipes for wood type BIRCH
[18:06:21] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 43 recipes for wood type SPRUCE
[18:06:21] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 39 recipes for wood type CRIMSON
[18:06:21] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 39 recipes for wood type WARPED
[18:06:21] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 43 recipes for wood type MANGROVE
[18:06:22] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 43 recipes for wood type CHERRY
[18:06:22] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 7 recipes for wood type BAMBOO
[18:06:22] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Registered 43 recipes for wood type PALE_OAK
[18:06:22] [Server thread/INFO]: [de.primecodes.essentials.manager.StonecutterWoodRecipeManager] Total Recipes registered: 472

anyone got any idea?

[young knoll]

Isn’t there a registry for material

[tender shard]

I guess yeah, but then what's the purpose of the boolean option if it enables legacy support anyway D:

[young knoll]

No idea

Tbf I didn’t know it had one

[thorn isle]

enable verbose somewhere in the config and make sure the stack trace corresponds to what you think is triggering it; it could be something else

[mortal hare]

how does anti xray plugins like orebfuscator know which blocks are being visible in player's frustum?

anyone willing to explain the trick behind that

ray tracing could be one way but it sounds very expensive

i guess one way is to iterate over all ores and check immediate neigbours if it doesnt have air block nearby mask it as stone

or you can do BFS/DFS search for air pockets and not maskit only those pockets, if they're in certain range to the player

[grand flint]

raytrace?

why would ray trace be very expensive

[mortal hare]

basically if BFS search across translucent/air blocks doesnt reach the player's position, you can hide it

[mortal hare]

that's expensive af

[grand flint]

🙏

first person to call raytracing expensive

also it can probs just get the chunk

and see the blocks above

[smoky anchor]

I mean raytrace for voxel structure has one very efficient algo

[mortal hare]

the problem with raytracing that it wont follow FOV

[smoky anchor]

doesn't have to

[grand flint]

💀

xray

isnt that deep

have a smart staff team

have an ore logger

and use papers builtin

i just hate people who try to mitigate xray

like its a server crashing exploit

[mortal hare]

no i just cant find proper anti xray mod for fabric so im going over "fine ill do this myself moment"

[grand flint]

do what u can

its not that deep lol

do it ur self is crazy 🙏

[smoky anchor]

fun fact: the thing is opensource...

[jagged thicket]

doesn't it have smth on par with paper inbuilt

[smoky anchor]

fabric ? no
that's a mod loader

it doesn't add anything by itself iirc

[jagged thicket]

nah like mods good enough

already

[mortal hare]

i think this is how it should work in naive impl:

1. capture world gen y-levels where ores spawn in particular biome,
2. then iterate blocks over that particular y-max value
3. if it finds air or translucent block do breadth first search across those blocks, until the last block is reached
4. if immediate neightbour is an ore - store that block position in a list of ores to be hidden
5. capture all those bread first translucent/air block locations in a map
6. check if translucent/air block position map contains players location
7. if it doesnt contain player location, hide the ores from the list, if its not, keep it

that would hide cave ores, over other ore would be hidden and only air exposed ones would be unhidden

[grand flint]

^

[mortal hare]

right

what license is it

[grand flint]

copy paste license 🙏

i dont think using the same method it uses

is gainst anythin g

[slender elbow]

the code is licensed, not the algorithm :thinksmart:

[umbral ridge]

licensed code sounds like bs

[worthy yarrow]

I never license my projects so they all just fall under ARR

[mortal hare]

i still feel like its best to do xray which hooks to world gen in a way it unedited version of world and only obfuscating those blocks in real version of the chunk

or maybe not

we still want to hide player placed blocks hmm

you cant also trust player head facing vector position too since freecam exists

tbh this wouldnt be a problem if notch made chunks cubic

😔

[young knoll]

I mean they are

But only on disk and in memory

[mortal hare]

sure it would increase network bandwidth

but at least we would have less cheaters

[thorn isle]

chunk sections are cubic in memory and in the protocol

personally i find any kind of obfuscation type anti-xray to be futile, you might as well use analytics instead to honeypot players

no smoke without fire; if a player is willing to xray they'd probably cheat in other ways as well

and xray is much easier to detect than say a well-written aimbot

that said, paper does have ore obfuscation built in, although you can still see ores in cave walls; in practice this doesn't make a significant difference since you can also see the ores in cave walls by standing in a cave

if you really wanted to eliminate those ores, you could do something similar to what you suggested but coarser: find the translucent blocks on the surface of each its 6 faces, then use a*/floodfill to map the connections between those surface areas; discard the volume data, keep only the surface data and the mappings, and use the mappings as a node in a higher hierarchy a-star/floodfill search

this will very efficiently find any air volumes that any given player is "in" at any given time, and only needs to be updated when crossing chunk sections

i did something a little bit similar to hide blocks with laggy custom models to help with client fps, though the problem parameters were a bit different

[echo basalt]

write an algorithm that basically does a flood fill

except instead of it iterating over neighbours of the same type, it also has a failsafe if it finds air

[thorn isle]

this is a hierarchical version of that yes

where the flood fill results are cached per-section and only the connections on a section<->section level are retained to keep the memory footprint low

then a second "flood fill" goes over those connections, although it's more like a graph now than a volume you fill

also useful for e.g. pathfinding

[tired elbow]

Hi

Is anyone here xd?

[rotund ravine]

Maybe

[unborn hollow]

how would you set the background color of an nms text display given that setBackgroundColor() has private access

[rotund ravine]

Why are you using a nms text display

[unborn hollow]

if i say why does that help you answer my question

[rotund ravine]

Yes

[unborn hollow]

I want some players to see certain text displays exclusive from other players

[rotund ravine]

You can do that with the api

[unborn hollow]

set background color or have some players see certain text displays exclusive from other players?

[rotund ravine]

Both

[unborn hollow]

what if I don't want the text displays to exist in the world

[rotund ravine]

Why

[unborn hollow]

it's fine nvm i figured it out

[zealous thistle]

i dont understand why eclipse dont know org.bukkit.plugin and i put spigot.jar on the project

[rotund ravine]

Well that depends on how u did it

[tired elbow]

Hey

It is possible for an entity to inherit the skin or texture of another entity.

Example, can a player inherit the texture of a zombie or a piglin?

Or that an armor stand looks like a zombie?

[zealous thistle]

it was because i put BuildTool.jar on eclipse...

[rotund ravine]

Fun

[rotund ravine]

No, not by default

[tired elbow]

What if I use LibsDisgues?

[rotund ravine]

Sure prolly ask them though

[tired elbow]

???

[pseudo hazel]

ask libdisguises if its possible

we did not make that plugin

[lavish folio]

I want to make custom chat messages in my minigame using AsyncChatEvent. However I need to access HashMap which contains all my lobbies and then for each lobby check if player is in it (one boolean check and HashMap<> key check). Then I need to get player color and send a custom message to all players inside that lobby. Do I need to worry about thread safety and make all structures which get into contact thread safe or it's not necessary?

[thorn isle]

If you are executing code concurrently on multiple threads you need to worry about thread safety

In this case I guesstimate that using the Collections.synchronizedX wrappers or a concurrenthashmap would be enough

[lavish folio]

thanks

[brazen badge]

Hey! How can I disable chat ClickEvent command confirmation?

[smoky anchor]

Use CUSTOM instead of CLICK_ACTION, then listen to it with the PlayerCustomClickEvent

Or, set your commands to have permission level of 0

It is impossible to disable this fully, it is a built-in safety feature, give the perm. level condition

[grand flint]

dogshit feature

[brazen badge]

my command has no permission

[smoky anchor]

well the client recieves information that the command has permission level of 1 or above
somehow

This is vanilla permission level

[slender elbow]

or the command is not being sent to the client for one or another reason

[brazen badge]

ClickEvent clickEvent = ClickEvent.runCommand("/showinv " + invMessageUUID);

[smoky anchor]

What versions do you support ?

exactly

[brazen badge]

1.21 +

[smoky anchor]

so 1.21.0 and up

[brazen badge]

yeah

[smoky anchor]

well the simplest solution is: don't, support latest and use CUSTOM
I do not know how or even if it is possible to change the permission level of a command

Actually I might

[grand flint]

they are 0 if default players can use it and the command is sent to the client

[slender elbow]

do you see your command in chat when you start typing /sho ?

[smoky anchor]

Ok so the way I did this I think is: use NMS and register the command as a vanilla command would - use Brigadier
Which I probably would not recommend

[slender elbow]

i mean, registering your command as usual will work fine

as long as you don't stop it from being sent to the client

whether that is via a permission or removing it from the send commands event

if you have plugins like "plugin hider" or "command hider" etc those are probably interfering with that shit

[slender elbow]

@brazen badge ^ ?

[brazen badge]

no

[slender elbow]

well that's the issue

check my messages directly above

something, either you or another plugin, is preventing the command from being sent to the client

[brazen badge]

i setted it up to the command hider

[slender elbow]

that's your problem

the command needs to be visible to the client

[eternal oxide]

context

[slender elbow]

run command click event warning

[slender elbow]

^ so you can't hide it and not get the warning

[eternal oxide]

silly question, but is your command even registered? Others may have asked already but I didn't see you answer

[brazen badge]

yeah is re

[eternal oxide]

if you OP yourself and still can;t see the command I doubt it is registered

[slender elbow]

can you run the command even if you type it out?

[brazen badge]

I solved! EasyCommandBlocker was blocking my command, now it works, thank you for the help.

[slender elbow]

yep

i really don't see the point in those plugins

just configure your permissions properly

[wet breach]

seems it worked by blocking command easy

[smoky anchor]

Ty for the info about "unknown" commands btw!

[brazen badge]

to not show other commands

[slender elbow]

a) configure your permissions properly b) what's the issue with that?

[worldly ingot]

We have a lot of public commands on Hypixel and do just fine

[smoky anchor]

well since 1.21.6+ there should be 0 need for those in any scenario
for chat click - use custom
and permissions

[worldly ingot]

/thiscommanddoesliterallynothing for instance

[slender elbow]

I LOVE THAT COMMAND

[slender elbow]

what does it do

[worldly ingot]

It is a good command

[slender elbow]

what does it do

[worldly ingot]

Literally nothing!

[slender elbow]

i don't believe you

[worldly ingot]

The implementation is quite literally {}

[wet breach]

this also means there is a lot of private commands 🤔

[brazen badge]

if you do / you can view tab completion to all plugin, even if a player doesn't have permission

[slender elbow]

you are selling my personal data to the chinese

[slender elbow]

no, if you configure permissions properly, commands are not sent

[worldly ingot]

Code leak alert! It's just { }

[smoky anchor]

lemme report you to mr Simon Hypixel on Twitter for leaking internal stuff

[wet breach]

https://tenor.com/view/leak-viralhog-flood-water-parking-gif-20604774

[eternal oxide]

Oh noes, Choco getting sacked!

[worldly ingot]

I do wish it kept track of how many players ran the command

That would be awesome

[smoky anchor]

But then it would be doing something 😟

[slender elbow]

yeah then it wouldn't do literally nothing

the command dispatcher could keep track of that info, but not the command itself!

it must remain empty

[echo basalt]

I'm surprised you guys don't have global command metrics

It feels so easy to implement

[ancient plank]

time to apply to hypixel again

[echo basalt]

They'll never accept me lmao

[ancient plank]

why not

I think I almost got accepted, I'm fairly certain I messed up an answer on a code review but I can't remember it because my brain doesn't work correctly anymore

[grand flint]

what do they even do on a code review

[ancient plank]

give you a class with some errors in it, and then ask you to look over it for a few minutes before giving answers to what is wrong/bad

[mortal hare]

i cant believe im so impressed with software tool from 1975

TeX is so awesome

[smoky oak]

are PDCs no longer part of whatever /data get entity spits out?

[pseudo hazel]

should be

I think it might be saved in the custom_data component, but that might be paper only

but it should be in something like bukkitValues

[smoky anchor]

well it has to be there somewhere on spigot too 'cause there is no other component that can hold that data

[misty ingot]

how can i check if an item has a durability at all?
like for example a pickaxe would have some usable durability whereas a snowball would not

[chrome beacon]

See if the item meta is damageable

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/inventory/meta/Damageable.html

[slender elbow]

well, just checking if it is will always be true

gotta check hasMaxDamage or whatever the has method is called

[chrome beacon]

ah I see

right since any item could be damageable now

[orchid furnace]

Does anyone know how I could update tab since I'm wanting to have it display the number of players but it's only static it seems

        Player p = e.getPlayer();
        int playingWith = Bukkit.getOnlinePlayers().toArray().length - 1;
        String header = "\n§6§lTango§2§lNet\n§7Season 3\n\n§f Currently playing with §7" + playingWith + "§f others. \n";
        String footer = "\n§7IP REMOVED\n";
        p.setPlayerListHeaderFooter(header, footer);

This is called on Player Join

Not sure if I would have to keep playingwith updated or what

[slender elbow]

you need to either run that code on a scheduled timer task, or run that code whenever a player joins/leaves

[orchid furnace]

Ahhh I see.

[slender elbow]

for that specifically I'd run it in the join and quit events

[orchid furnace]

Thanks!

As in a loop for like all players?

[slender elbow]

yea

[orchid furnace]

Alright, thanks!

[slender elbow]

btw you can do Bukkit.getOnlinePlayers().size() - 1, no need to convert it into an array you're not using otherwise

[orchid furnace]

ahhhh, cheers!

[hardy garnet]

So i've run into a problem where I want to have custom helmet/armor models, but minecraft (base anyway) doesnt support that very well even with resource packs (helmets are possible). I do not want to make installing any mods a requirement, so plugins that don't have mod dependencies would be great

[grand flint]

whos ray alt

[grand flint]

what 💀

are u stuck in 2020

https://mcmodels.net/products?categories[]=toolsweapons&categories[]=armor-sets&categories[]=misc-items&categories[]=cosmetics

[grand flint]

use nexo

its the best one currently

[orchid furnace]

i wonder

[grand flint]

and has the best custom stuff of all

[grand flint]

HI RAY

[orchid furnace]

Hello

[grand flint]

hru

[orchid furnace]

alr, you?

[grand flint]

ok, buddy

anyways wy coding

[orchid furnace]

Nothing much atm, had to deal with some linux stuff and not got much to code atm

[slender sphinx]

If I use Adventure API from Paper as my dependency, the plugin will not work on Spigot servers, correct?

According to their website, their API is not included in Spigot

[eternal oxide]

correct

unless you add it as a dependency in the plugin.yml

[young knoll]

It won’t work even if you do include it

Since the one built into paper api is actually built into paper

And relocated and whatnot

[slender sphinx]

Yes, that's what I understood from reading. So what's the best approach here?

[eternal oxide]

test if paper or spigot and handle your adventure appropriately

[slender sphinx]

If I switch to Spigot as a dependency for my resource to work and be accepted on SpigotMC, what should I do to use the API?

[eternal oxide]

yes

?maven

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/spigot-maven/

[young knoll]

You can shade adventure and use the built in Bukkit adapter

But it’s minimal, only really supports chat, boss bars, and titles

[slender sphinx]

Is this what you're referring to https://docs.advntr.dev/platform/bukkit.html ?

[young knoll]

Yes

[slender sphinx]

Okok, thanks

[oblique furnace]

Hi, I am currently working on a plugin with abilities. I have an ability, where when the ability is activated, the player should tp to the block they are looking at no matter how far away it is. I have tried, but only got it to tp to the block when the block is in mining distance (/ has a Black outline). Does anyone have an idea to get it to tp to the block you're looking at although its further than your reach? Thanks for any help.

[young knoll]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/entity/LivingEntity.html#rayTraceBlocks(double,org.bukkit.FluidCollisionMode)

[thorn isle]

World::rayTrace

Player::getTargetBlock or whatever you're using only gets the block if it's actually targeted, i.e. within interaction distance

[oblique furnace]

Ok, thanks a lot

[tired elbow]

Hi

Does anyone know about nms packages?

I want to learn that 😄😄😄

[echo basalt]

What about it?

[tired elbow]

Installation

Using gradle

[chrome beacon]

For Gradle use https://github.com/patrick-choe/mojang-spigot-remapper

Assuming a modern version

[tired elbow]

Thank you

Groovy?

Install for groovy 🤔🤔🤔

[echo basalt]

it's not that different

[tired elbow]

Mmm

[tired elbow]

Okay, but literally the "protocollib" plugin is the same, right?

[sullen marlin]

What's the best paste site these days, or is Discord good enough (or limits too short for not nitro)?

Yes protocol lib is a Spigot plugin

[tired elbow]

But it is the same as:

[chrome beacon]

no

[tired elbow]

Or not🤔🤔🤔

XD

What is the difference?

[chrome beacon]

What I linked is a Gradle plugin

[tired elbow]

The part that says groovy?

I heard that groovy is already a pre-Hispanic language.

[chrome beacon]

?

[slender sphinx]

not sure if it's the "best", but i've seen people use paste.gg

[young knoll]

Can’t resist

[young knoll]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[chrome beacon]

pastes.dev or mclo.gs (for Minecraft logs) are pretty good

[safe beacon]

good morning

[remote swallow]

im a big pastes.dev fan

[wet breach]

https://tenor.com/view/glue-gluea-eating-paste-eat-glue-gif-8579890

[grim hound]

is it possible to create like a field change listener?

[chrome beacon]

context?

[acoustic siren]

Discord is the best, if the message is too long you just have to click this button

Ah I cannot post images

https://imgur.com/isnwqeY

[slender elbow]

discord is far from the best, text file embeds do not show on mobile and I don't wanna be downloading lots of tiny files

using a web paste is best regardless of which

[short pilot]

how do I set a sign to be "waxed" ? The docs said it does not persist / has some special usage

[chrome beacon]

Where does it say that?

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/block/Sign.html#setWaxed(boolean) 🤷‍♂️

[sly topaz]

if it is a self-hosted one, I like rustypaste. Otherwise github gist

pastes.dev is nice if it is something you don't care about, but it doesn't have any kind of permanent storage or write history like gists do

[mortal vortex]

Hate to agree with you but yeah, very good service.

[echo basalt]

I enjoy sourceb.in

[reef orbit]

Is this where we go to find developers ?

[mortal vortex]

No, rather this is a place to ask for help with developing a plugin of your own.

If you are interested in hiring a developer there is a specific forum for that, with people offering their services.

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[wintry breach]

I want xtokensmp texturepack 1.21.8

@undone axle

[placid estuary]

how would i go about having a spigot server plugin communicate with a fabric mod client to verify that both are installed?

[smoky anchor]

Probably https://minecraft.wiki/w/Java_Edition_protocol/Packets#Clientbound_Plugin_Message_(configuration)

[young void]

grok is this true?

[placid estuary]

thank you

[mortal vortex]

aight bro you aint me, change the pfp

[smoky anchor]

Oh that's why I was confused

[mortal vortex]

smh bruh everyone tryna pretedn to be me

[placid rivet]

i want to make a menu, but the items in it have the informations like attack dmg, attack speed etc.

can i hide it without hiding the displayname and lore? i know there's a method called sethidetooltips but it does hide the name, my server is on spigot and idk if it's possible here

[chrome beacon]

Add the hide attributes item flag

[placid rivet]

if (hideTooltips) {
itemMeta.addItemFlags(
ItemFlag.HIDE_ATTRIBUTES,
ItemFlag.HIDE_ENCHANTS,
ItemFlag.HIDE_UNBREAKABLE,
ItemFlag.HIDE_DESTROYS,
ItemFlag.HIDE_PLACED_ON
);
}

that's what i do

then apply it to the item
and still doesn't work

[chrome beacon]

I assume you're not running Spigot then

If you are running Paper or any of its forks you need to add an attribute modifier for the hide flags to work

[winter jungle]

For self-host and code pastes Snipdox

but i heard of sourcebin too

[eternal oxide]

There is a really good one, but I forget its link

[jade bone]

Hi there, does anyone have experience with customizing the default spawner properties? I'm working on a spawner upgrade plugin, and each level should have more mobs spawning (configured in config). To apply these effects i'm using the following method (yes the values are passed through correclty)

public static void applyEffects(Block block, int spawnAmount, int maxNearby, int distance) {
        if (block.getState() instanceof CreatureSpawner cs) {
            cs.setSpawnCount(spawnAmount);
            cs.setMaxNearbyEntities(maxNearby);
            cs.setRequiredPlayerRange(distance);
            cs.setMinSpawnDelay(200);  // 10s
            cs.setMaxSpawnDelay(400); // 20s
            cs.setDelay(20);

            cs.update(true, true);
        }
    }

But the spawner doesnt seem to care about the spawnCount (didnt test the rest yet). My testing setup is a Zombie spawner high in the sky so no other mobs are nearby.

Anyone knows how i can fix this?

[eternal oxide]

https://pastes.dev/

by lucko again

[slender elbow]

"by lucko again" sounds like a surprised expression from someone who's never sworn before

[ivory sleet]

lucko goated

[quasi gulch]

The Bungeecord java docs for Dialogs is not available? https://javadoc.io/doc/net.md-5/bungeecord-api/latest/net/md_5/bungee/api/connection/ProxiedPlayer.html#showDialog(net.md_5.bungee.api.dialog.Dialog) Is there even an APi where i can build an Dialog and Listen to Inputs and get Text from TextInput in Spigot?

[young knoll]

Pretty sure it’s in Bungeecord chat

?jd bcc

[undone axle]

Spigot
BungeeCord
BungeeCord Chat

[young knoll]

Nope it’s a separate module

https://javadoc.io/doc/net.md-5/bungeecord-dialog/latest/index.html

[quasi gulch]

Okay thanks

[eternal oxide]

I hadn't thought to use the index 🙂 https://javadoc.io/doc/net.md-5

[hardy garnet]

I can't seem to find nexo available for download anywhere?

I mean i see it on polymart but its not on the spigot website

im unsure if polymart is a safe website to buy from though

[thorn isle]

i don't quite remember what your issue was, but if it's just custom models for armor and suchlike, you don't need a plugin for it

all those plugins really do is act as item managers

and possibly resourcepack aggregators, building a resourcepack from multiple components

nothing that you can't do by hand

[hardy garnet]

I know all that, but there is one issue

As far as im aware, vanilla minecraft resource packs do not support custom models for armor

[thorn isle]

they do

and if they didn't, a plugin couldn't change that

[hardy garnet]

Well I havent managed to figure it out yet then lol

Do you have a resource you can point me to? Even just a resource pack that has custom armor models would be enough for me

[thorn isle]

nope, i haven't worked with custom equipment models either

if you can't find one you could log on a server that has a server resourcepack with some, and then look at the pack they send you

[grand flint]

buy from mcmodels

[grand flint]

its just the equipment model of an item

however tryna manage all those without a plugin is completely stupid

[thorn isle]

not necessarily

if you are making all of your models yourself, and don't need to bundle together model/texture definitions from multiple sources, there's no need for a manager plugin to manage them

[grand flint]

so what would u manage them with

[thorn isle]

there's no management to be done

[grand flint]

what would u easily give ur custom items, custom armor

easily update them for all players

[thorn isle]

./give

[grand flint]

add furniture

add craft recipes

[thorn isle]

and/or any plugin config

[grand flint]

lol

so again

stupid

as i said

[thorn isle]

nuh uh

you're stupid

[grand flint]

so u want to manually

run a give command

[thorn isle]

and/or configure it into a plugin

[grand flint]

with a bazillion

attributes

[grand flint]

so

what nexo does

?

so ur saying

instead of buying nexo

remake nexo

very smart

[thorn isle]

you can configure it directly into essentials, mythicmobs, or any other plugin of your choice that supports custom model data

[smoky anchor]

holy crap can you send a message with more than 3 words

[grand flint]

no

[thorn isle]

this isn't rocket science

[grand flint]

u need crucible

[thorn isle]

nuh uh

[grand flint]

for custom resources on mythicmobs

[thorn isle]

mythicmobs allows item definitions through the bukkit serialization api

[grand flint]

otherwise there isnt an option to set the texture / model of the item

[thorn isle]

which means you can define any item with any properties you want

[grand flint]

apart from texture stuff

[sly topaz]

custom armor models can only be done with core shaders right now, so if Nexo has an easy way to integrate into that, then I'd just use it to be honest

[thorn isle]

any property you want

[grand flint]

core shaders??

[sly topaz]

yes

[grand flint]

its litearlly an item component

are u guys stuck in 1.20

[thorn isle]

it literally loads an org.bukkit itemstack from a ConfigurationSerializable

[sly topaz]

item_model doesn't change the armor model

[smoky anchor]

the 3D model can only be done with core shaders, if that's what the plugin can do

[grand flint]

i said equipment model

its so stupid of me to argue with stupids

idek why i continue

[thorn isle]

dum dum

[sly topaz]

what component changes the equipment model?

[grand flint]

like ik im better than u

ik i know more than u

idk why i contribute to ur stupid argument

[thorn isle]

mythicmobs is 🚮 btw

[grand flint]

kinda ur problem if u cant afford it

but sure

[thorn isle]

i maintain a fork of it

[grand flint]

equip -> model id

[hardy garnet]

This is what I've gleaned from my research. I don't mind needing to use other plugins when I need to, but only when I need to

[grand flint]

use nexo

it provides everything i promise u its the best plugin u could get

u can run a server purely by just using nexo

[smoky anchor]

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Data_component_format#equippable iirc

[thorn isle]

omegalul

mythic shill

[sly topaz]

that only changes the texture, not the model IIRC

[grand flint]

yeah and it allows 3d models

[smoky anchor]

not it does NOT

[grand flint]

yes it does, i have them

[smoky anchor]

That is simply not a vanilla feature

[grand flint]

it quite litearlly is

but again

[smoky anchor]

proof then

[grand flint]

^^

[sly topaz]

why are you guys so hellbent on arguing here, go to #general. This conversation isn't helping anyone

[smoky anchor]

I am fairly aware of most changes done to vanilla and this is just not a thing I know of

[grand flint]

idk then maybe im stupid

i do use nexo for the armor, and i do have custom modelled armor

apart from the helmet obv

[thorn isle]

i was under the impression that custom equipment models were doable as of like 1.21.4 or something. without core shaders, but i don't know the specifics

[grand flint]

so maybe it is a shader

[grand flint]

yeah im pretty sure u can

[thorn isle]

i very vaguely remember looking at the changelogs and going "hey, neat"

and then never got around to setting it up

[grand flint]

tbh all these item component stuff are sick

[hardy garnet]

It's only the head slot that supports custom models

[grand flint]

and nexo makes so much use of them

custom tridents, elytras

horse armor, wolf armor

dude it litearlly has a connectable furniture mechanic

and everything is well made idk why all of u just hate nexo

its super well made, well maintaned and mostly bug free

[smoky anchor]

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Equipment
This is the whole definition of the equipment thing, only texture for hardcoded model
Meaning it is only possible to use core shader to change the model

[thorn isle]

i have no idea what it is and i've never used it but i have great inherent distrust in anything even remotely associated with the mythic ecosystem, and also anything involved with custom models

[grand flint]

its not a mythic plugin

[thorn isle]

because historically both have been mostly just grifts to get easy lunch money from beginner tier server admins

[grand flint]

its boy's

just bc he is a mythic admin doesnt mean nexo is

[hardy garnet]

I really hope they change this at some point, maybe they will since they've already made it so you can wear a custom model on your head

[thorn isle]

yea but like custom spawns and custom item models are the 2 cash cows of the server scam industry

[grand flint]

why do u think that though, like some of their plugins are extra yeah but like whats wrong with mythic mobs or modelengine

have u sen the types of mobs people make iwth those

[thorn isle]

prospective entrepreneurs go on mcmarket to buy a premade server or a bunch of cosmetic packs and paid plugins and a spawn and try to grift money from their players, then go bankrupt because everyone else has the same shit

[grand flint]

id much rather config, than code it by my self

[grand flint]

this is a huge valid point

but i wouldnt hate mythic for that, their plugins imo is well made and works as intended

[thorn isle]

i don't hate mythic because of that, but i do distrust anything related to custom item models because of it

i hate mythic because their codebase is a disaster

[grand flint]

is it 😭

well the config is the main reason i use it

u can do anything u want with ur mobs or items

[smoky anchor]

One day these things may just die out in favor of datapacks :)

[sly topaz]

I don't know their codebase, but I do know their API is kinda horrible to work with. Helped people with it more than a couple of times and it is very restrictive

[thorn isle]

it's very flexible and robust yes, that's the only reason i still use it

but what goes under the config and api is utterly horrid

[sly topaz]

https://github.com/DartCat25/CEM-S there's this if you're willing to try it

[grand flint]

that day is never to come 🙏

u still need a plugin to manage it

[thorn isle]

or maybe a datapack 🤡

[grand flint]

however a lot of features that stuff like nexo use

it makes use of datapacks

[thorn isle]

i'm super disappointed now that we don't have custom entity models after all

i don't really want to require my players to use core shaders either

[smoky anchor]

One day for sure

[young knoll]

Soon™

[hardy garnet]

Look, im fine with rabbit holes when I need to jump in them. In this case I definitely do not need to. Ty though lol

[grand flint]

and blocks

100% blocks

[grand flint]

|| get nexo 🙏 ||

[thorn isle]

blocks are a bit later down the road since they'll need the block/item registries to become network synchronized to the client

[sly topaz]

does nexo deal with the core shaders part for you or does it just let you register custom textures

[thorn isle]

but i see absolutely no reason why entity/equipment models couldn't already be customizable

[hardy garnet]

It says custom models for armor so it has to do shaders

[grand flint]

nexo does everything

[young knoll]

I believe they have started poking at entities with the component system

So it’ll probably happen soon

[grand flint]

rp management, shader management

the furniture is one of my favs cuz its the best one

itemsadder is so fucking buggy

i had like half the furniture dissapear into barrier blocks

and u cant even break them

never had that with oraxen which now moved to nexo

[thorn isle]

how do core shaders work when players have their own shaderpacks they want to use?

[young knoll]

Ha

[sly topaz]

then yeah, just use Nexo. It is open source so at least you can poke at it if things don't work out

[thorn isle]

i remember server resourcepacks having issues with conflicts, not sure about shaders

[young knoll]

Most shader/optimization mods break core shaders

Sodium does

[thorn isle]

good shit

[young knoll]

Pretty sure optifine does too

[thorn isle]

yeah i won't be getting that then

[sly topaz]

well, optifine is no surprise but I am surprised Sodium does

[smoky anchor]

iirc there is some mod that makes core shaders compatible with sodium :D (or was it iris)

[sly topaz]

so I guess even when using Nexo it is pretty futile then, most players use optimization mods like Sodium

[young knoll]

I know there’s one that lets resource packs edit sodium’s shaders as well

Idk if it magically makes the vanilla ones work tho

[thorn isle]

personally i probably would just wait for mojang to properly support equipment models rather than hack it together with shaders

[hardy garnet]

Wait for something that might never happen :\

or happen years later

[sly topaz]

people do a lot of cool stuff with core shaders tho, mods should probably try to keep compatibility given Mojang itself tries

[smoky anchor]

ye, mainly with the graphics rewrite where things may work only specifically on 1.21.7 and then break forever

[thorn isle]

cue that meme of the skeleton in a chair in front of a computer with cobwebs growing on it

[grand flint]

doesnt break my armor

it breaks mythichud though

i hate mythichud

dogshit plugin

[thorn isle]

yes

[grand flint]

betterhud better

but overall i hate hud systems they are always dogshit someway

why does bedrock get OreUI and we dont 🙏

[thorn isle]

i know right

bedrock gets all the nice things

[grand flint]

dude bedrock is so fucking good for custom stuff

its a built in mod manager

[smoky anchor]

you do not want OreUI
laggy mess

[thorn isle]

we're stuck with fucking chest guis and horrible negative space custom font black magic for custom uis

even the dialogs we got look terrible

[grand flint]

its dope

[smoky anchor]

whose idea was it to implement a browser view in a game

[sly topaz]

hey, at least we don't get microtransactions

[sly topaz]

tbf, most games are leaning towards that direction

[grand flint]

id much prefer if we did tbh

in terms of servers

[thorn isle]

i would like some microtransactions in my back pocket

[sly topaz]

just like most desktop software

[grand flint]

rather than like avatars

[smoky anchor]

Doesn't mean it's good

[sly topaz]

it is good enough, that's the thing

eventually someone will care enough to make it good, but in the meantime we settle for good enough

[thorn isle]

ha

[young knoll]

Electron in minecraft when

[thorn isle]

i'm sure that's what the guys working on win95 told themselves

"someone will fix it eventually"

[grand flint]

anyways sorry guys i hate being ragebaited

[sly topaz]

hardware will continue getting faster

[grand flint]

ima go get ragebaited in ranked instead bye

[hardy garnet]

I just joined the nexo discord and asked about the core shader conflict with sodium and optifine.

Briefly, from looking through some chat history, people say some things might not work

its not total incompat

[young knoll]

I believe sodium has said they won’t hesitate to make further breaking changes if warranted though

[sly topaz]

fase here seems to have equipment models which work fine even with sodium, so it is probably fine

[young knoll]

Optifine who tf knows

[sly topaz]

what warrants it tho

performance is already fine, if they want to go for harder optimization tactics involving just breaking stuff then they should do that in a different mod altogether

[young knoll]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grand flint]

does anyone even use it still

my poor donator capes 🙏

like i mean on new versions

ik they obv do on 1.8

[sly topaz]

you would be surprised how many people still use optifine

[grand flint]

on new versions?

[sly topaz]

yes

[grand flint]

crazy shit

[sly topaz]

I've seen a ton of youtubers using it at least

most people who aren't really in the modding community just don't care, and when you search for how to make minecraft run faster, optifine still comes up

[hardy garnet]

I seem to have found a way to do custom armor models in vanilla. Gonna do a bit more digging before I say for certain though

[grand flint]

u can

make the armor visible

and put a disp[lay entity

that rides the player

[smoky anchor]

that... doesn't seem possible ?
how do you solve these problems:

• you can see the armor in first person
• the armor would have rotation delay

I might have something else in mind than you tho

[grand flint]

the rotation delay idk i forgot

u can do something by using multiple models

the armor in first person

i dont solve it 🙏

however if u do use it for any other reason, there is a shader boxic made that hides it in first person

but is visible on 3rd person and such

[hardy garnet]

Not a work around hacky solution but an elegant one. If it does work ill post code in here

well, maybe in general if thats a better place for it

[thorn isle]

all these problems are roughly solvable if you make the cosmetics invisible to the player wearing them

[smoky anchor]

which then eliminates you being able to see them in third person

[thorn isle]

of course that kind of defeats some of the point of cosmetics

[smoky anchor]

ye

[thorn isle]

but most of the point of cosmetics is to make other people jealous

as long as you provide some controlled facility where you display a dummy player wearing the cosmetics, so the player can have a rough idea of what they look like, it'd probably be good enough 👍

a "dressing room" gui

[oblique furnace]

I want to make an ability, where when the ability is activated, the player should tp to the block they are looking at no matter how far away it is. now I have following code, but when I tested it, I was only able to teleport to blocks, that have black outlines/ blocks, that were in my reach. can someone help me?
RayTraceResult result = p.getWorld().rayTraceBlocks(
p.getEyeLocation(),
p.getEyeLocation().getDirection(),
500.0,
FluidCollisionMode.ALWAYS,
true
);
if (result != null && result.getHitBlock() != null) {
Block hitBlock = result.getHitBlock();
Location tp = hitBlock.getLocation().add(0, 1, 0);
p.teleport(tp);
}

[smoky anchor]

1. don't use single letter variable names, use more descriptive ones
2. to me the code looks fine, are you running on Spigot ?
3. maybe try with not 500 blocks distance, just like 16 ?

[young knoll]

I’m going to take a wild guess

How are you activating this ability?

[worldly ingot]

$20 says right click air isn't being sent

[hardy garnet]

After a lot of digging, nexo has the same limitation. You can't have 3d models for leggings, chestplates, and boots lol

[worldly ingot]

Yes because Mojang has a hard-coded armour renderer which is 2D

Nothing you can change server-sided or with resource packs. It's just a straight up layer renderer

Helmets are different because technically you can put a block on the player's head and it's a "helmet", so it will render using the head transform

[young knoll]

Chest leggings and boots transform when

Smh

[worldly ingot]

Just 3d armour rendering would be nice to start with

You can already make custom 2d armour now

[hardy garnet]

Yea ik that lol

[oblique furnace]

single letter variables are quicker to type XD. yes I am running it on Spigot. ok, let me try it.

[oblique furnace]

Its only a part of the ability. the ability also gives potion effects. I am activating it with sneaking and right clicking

[young knoll]

With an item in hand?

[hardy garnet]

I think single letter variables are fine under certain circumstances

[smoky anchor]

Counter argument

[hardy garnet]

for event listeners I almost always do SomeEvent e

[smoky anchor]

I mean sure, but I'd still say to use them as little as you can

[oblique furnace]

without

[hardy garnet]

Also, for (int i = 0 ; i < whatever ; i++)

[oblique furnace]

It still doesnt work after changing it to 16

[young knoll]

No data is sent to the server when you right click air with no item in hand

Therefor no click event is fired

[oblique furnace]

I dont look into the air. It somehow works if the block is in your reach tho

[smoky anchor]

yes, 'cause you're clicking the block then, that sends a packet to the server

[young knoll]

^

If a block is within range of your cursor it’ll work

[oblique furnace]

if I look at a block 10 blocks away it wont work tho...

[smoky anchor]

yes, in that case you're clicking air

which as stated above, does not work without an item in hand

if "no block has an outline" then you're clicking air

[oblique furnace]

so you need to hold a block so that it works?

[smoky anchor]

you either need to hold an item in your hand, or click a block (or both)

[ivory sleet]

i mean the correct answer is it depends, more specifically, the smaller the scope- the shorter the variable name has to be, and the larger the scope, usually you'll need a longer variable name

[echo basalt]

who the fuck decided that having a key called "on" in a config makes it a true/false

config.getConfigurationSection("on") doesn't work

[oblique furnace]

Oh man. I need to start making comments in my code and sort it a bit. I did it so the ability doesnt work when I hold an item but I cant find it...

[rustic meteor]

how to i add nms to my 1.8 spigot/bukkit plugin

[chrome beacon]

Depend on spigot instead of the spigot-api artifact

[rustic meteor]

then it just says it doesnt recognize dependency

[echo basalt]

Run BuildTools

[rustic meteor]

where do i set the output directory

[chrome beacon]

You don't need to set one

Having it build in the folder where the BuildTools jar is works fine

[wraith delta]

In game my plugin name is the same as the command which creates a annoying extra command tab complete like /plugin:plugin. I renamed the plugin in the plugin.yml but that also changed the config.yml folder. Is there any other way to remove the extra commands?

[mortal vortex]

players dont end up seeing that AFAIK.

Thats apart of how bukkit works

[wraith delta]

wdym? i see it

[mortal vortex]

r u opped?

[wraith delta]

its a plugin for ops

[mortal vortex]

If you see it, its because you're doubling up, you shouldn't register the command the same as the plugin name,