#Pell's Personal Deckbuilding Enclave

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junior meteor
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1 Barbarian Ring
1 Command Beacon
1 Fomori Vault
1 Gemstone Caverns
1 Inventors' Fair
1 Mines of Moria
1 Sandstone Needle
23 Snow-Covered Mountain
1 Urza's Saga

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i am slipping to the forces of darkness

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New egg dropped too btw

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Thats always fun

junior meteor
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barb ring might just be another snow mountain actually

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wait new egg?

short flare
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Its not worth here, but [[omni-cheese pizza]]

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short flare
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New egg, good times

junior meteor
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that is an egg

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im only running 1 actual egg i think

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it's just chromatic star

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Thats a good egg for sure

junior meteor
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oh, i guess if you count pyrite spellbomb

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but that's actually in here as removal rather than anything else

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if only the red skullbomb didnt suck ass

short flare
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[[terrarion]] is the only other true egg I would consider here I think, since it has positive interactions with sac outlets

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short flare
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Same as star

junior meteor
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yeah i've considered terrarion

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i dont think im ever on sphere since i can't kci it for value

short flare
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Honestly I dont think pyrite spellbomb is bad at all

junior meteor
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pyrite is great

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the skullbomb is bad

short flare
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Oh the skullbomb

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Yes

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Forgot that existed lmao

junior meteor
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im pretty big on skullbombs in actual eggs decks

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mostly surgical

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Im not running either in Urianger, but maybe I could be

junior meteor
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you should be on [[surgical skullbomb]]

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junior meteor
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card's extremely solid

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Yeah I probably should be, I actually forgot about this cycle

junior meteor
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lmao

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the white one is atrocious though

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Its awful

junior meteor
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+2/+2 and flying

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+2/+2

junior meteor
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but the blue and black ones are great

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Originally that deck was a twiddlestorm deck

junior meteor
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twiddl

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Now its an eggs deck with sting

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Which is awesome

junior meteor
short flare
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True

junior meteor
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so for tonight, our additions are Ichor Wellspring, Goblin Recruiter, and Throne of Eldraine

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all great cards i am looking forward to playing with

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recruiter has goldfished extremely well so far

short flare
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Recruiter is totally broken

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Probably should be banned in every format for play pattern reasons, but luckily it sees zero play so we get to enjoy it

junior meteor
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funny enough i wasn't running ichor wellspring

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but i was running [[arcum's astrolabe]]

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junior meteor
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Game tonight with Jaws went well. I think I got really lucky with how things ended up matchup-wise, though. I do think Recruiter is probably correct, I drew the KCI on the turn I would have used it to go get Crime Novelist anyway, but having an extra way to win through creatures feels good. No card really felt bad except Dargo, but he was a threatening 7/5 blocker for 1 mana and a blood, no real complaints other than that he felt a little ???.

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I fear that when I run this into decks that aren't helping my gameplan actively I might struggle to close games.

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I might also be on too much interaction. I'm going to try to cross-reference tomorrow against similar decks and see where I'm at.

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Being in a position to take control of the political conversation at the table with this deck feels great though. I actively watched 2 players ponder their life total when it came to making choices, which I'm not super used to.

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Barbarian Ring might become Ancient Tomb or City of Traitors. I'm unsure if I can give up the GC slot for a tomb.

peak shuttle
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention to you [[Obsidian Obelisk]] is a two mana rock you could use.

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peak shuttle
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It taps for colorless.

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I know it might be a bit late to bring up now but I thought about you talking about wanting a 2-mana rock that doesn't tap for colored mana.

junior meteor
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that one's pretty awful compared to something like [[mind stone]] here as the 2nd mode is never on

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junior meteor
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that was a mean way to say that i think in retrospect but i do stand by what i said

junior meteor
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Looking at some more Godo lists from the monored discord today, I've got a few other things I wanna try at some point:
[[vessel of volatility]] [[eldrich immunity]] [[chain reaction]]

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junior meteor
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i don't know if Chain Reaction beats [[Cave-In]] or Volcanic Fallout or whatever but it might be worth rtying

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junior meteor
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Volatility is really interesting to me because it is a turn 3 jaws every time

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which again, i want my draw engine in play as early as possible

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@outer parcel did you see im on [[goblin recruiter]] now lmao

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junior meteor
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because it's a 2 mana tutor for Crime Novelist or Slobad or Goblin Engineer

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the time quickly approaches where i start to consider the efficacy of Name Sticker Goblin

outer parcel
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I did not, been in the middle of a job switch and havent been online as much

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Thats neat though! No 1 card combo lines I assume lol

junior meteor
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no, but one cool thing is that this is matron+ in this deck

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because of blood tokens

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so if i need the card immediately, i just turn it into a matron by using the mana i would save to crack a blood to draw the card i got off of recruiter

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i've also been considering [[Squee Goblin Nabob]]

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junior meteor
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i don't know if this it worth it but it is tutorable and makes those blood tokens VERY tempting

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kinda like old squee survival tech

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if only there were a card that when i discard it, it just returns to my hand pensivecowboy

junior meteor
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Another thing I'm looking into is running some light stax pieces instead of some of my interaction and a pyrohemia again. I liked Pyrohemia in the b3 league IRL, it was really good, but I took it out when I tried to make the deck run a bit faster

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Light stax pieces being [[damping sphere]], [[roiling vortex]], [[weathered runestone]], and [[crawlspace]]? Possibly back on [[Tanglewire]]?

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junior meteor
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not crawlspace

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Ensnaring Bridge

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concern with Bridge is how hard it is for me to get enough cards for Jaws to attack again

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if i were a gambling pell i would just put The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale in my deck

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I do not need very many creatures to function

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I've also been suggested [[Connecting the Dots]]

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tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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yeah

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That's why I'm considering it, I don't love the slow wheel but a wheel is a wheel

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you know what i mean lmao

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looking at Ojer Axonil lists from monored discord, I am reminded that I cut [[Witch's Mark]] at some point and never re-added it but that I really liked playing with it

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tawny zephyr
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Eh I don't love it

junior meteor
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6 is a very different number from 5 in jaws

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that's really it

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6 is 4 jaws smacks, 5 is 5, and importantly every buff jaws gets is another blood every time i hit

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i don't think it's anywhere near on the level of [[Demand Answers]] but it felt good when I played it

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junior meteor
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if they could just go ahead and give us demand answers #2 i'd be cool with that

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[[Light Up the Stage]] is another one I've been really considering but again i fucking hate the timing restriction on it

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junior meteor
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it being a sorcery here is actually the worst part

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because i can very easily ping an opponent on their turn which would turn on Spectacle but this is a sorcery so that doesn't matter

tawny zephyr
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are you on [[wrenns resolve]]?

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tawny zephyr
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or do you prefer instants?

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I've been enjoying [[mishras research desk]] in prosper

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tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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Sorry I'm at work so my responses are short sometimes

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So I'm not on Wrenn's Resolve mostly because I value that instant speed so highly, but it is a very tempting card; i do think i'd be on Light Up first since it's just cheaper most of the time for me

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but I have considered it

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Desk was another one I considered, but having to only pick one was a rough consideration for me because sometimes it's gonna be like, Goblin Recruiter KCI and i have to pick between card that wins the game and card that wins the game but both of them need the other one

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holy shit tech from an Ojer Axonil list [[Downhill Charge]]

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junior meteor
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i am primarily mountains this is crazy

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sometimes this will be 0 mana get 4 or 5 more blood?

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i might actually be on [[blazing crescendo]], thoughts @tawny zephyr ?

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junior meteor
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this is functionally 2 mana draw 4 cards?

tawny zephyr
tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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i dont either, i think that's probably worth giving a try

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More cards from monored discord [[Capricious Hellraiser]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/125/capricious-hellraiser

Capricious Hellraiser <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Dragon
This spell costs mana3 less to cast if you have nine or more cards in your graveyard.
Flying
When this creature enters, exile three cards at random from your graveyard. Choose a noncreature, nonland card from among them and copy it. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.
4/4

junior meteor
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this is probably not very good if you're on breach, and i really think with Jaws you should be, but it does say 3 mana recast a wheel theoretically

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[[Knollspine Dragon]] is similarly kinda interesting

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junior meteor
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but far too expensive to actually cast

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but with a KCI i can convert 2 mana and 3 blood into a wheel?

junior meteor
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Thinking about testing [[Jeska Thrice Reborn]] again now that the deck has really changed in how I'm building it.

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/186/jeska-thrice-reborn

Jeska, Thrice Reborn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Jeska
Jeska enters with a loyalty counter on her for each time you've cast a commander from the command zone this game.
0: Choose target creature. Until your next turn, if that creature would deal combat damage to one of your opponents, it deals triple that damage to that player instead.
−X: Jeska deals X damage to each of up to three targets.
Jeska, Thrice Reborn can be your commander.
Partner
Loyalty: 0

junior meteor
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Sure, it's only ever going to go off once, but it interacts well with both buffs AND doublestrike.

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And I think for 3 mana if there was a spell that just said "Until end of turn, if target creature would deal combat damage to one of your opponents, it deals triple that damage to that player instead." I would just play that.

junior meteor
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There's also [[Quest for Pure Flame]] or [[Insult//Injury]] in that same way.

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junior meteor
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Insult also gets me around One Ring protection 🤔

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[[City on Fire]] is very tempting but there is no way I ever have enough creatures in recent builds to ever convoke it out for a reasonable cost

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junior meteor
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(the reason i care about triple is triple + tentacles or hero's blade is a kill on a player, whereas double is not, double needs either both or 1+doublestrike)

junior meteor
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Man, it really pisses me off that there's no good way to search Dargo

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Dargo's the best way to sacrifice 25 blood tokens simultaneously since you don't need to resolve a spell to do it

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the ONLY ways in red to grab him, as far as I'm aware, are [[Giant Harbinger]] and Gamble.

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junior meteor
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oh, or [[Weatherlight]]

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junior meteor
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wrong weatherlight

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[[Skyship Weatherlight]]

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junior meteor
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i wonder if there's a legendary/historic tutor, actually

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it is really weird that despite all the cards that care about having spells with high casting cost, we don't have a single tutor that searches for spells with high CMC

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i guess actually there's like, [[Tamiyo's Journal]] or whatever, but I think I'd be better off drawing a bunch of cards over paying 5 mana and then waiting 3 turns

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blissful raptor
junior meteor
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[[Fierce Empath]]

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junior meteor
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this card is green

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[[Jaws, Relentless Predator]] is red

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junior meteor
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i just think it's weird that they keep doing the "big spells matter" thing in red but red has no tutors for anything like that

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@lucid loom im writing a primer and i think you would find this section funny

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lucid loom
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pfft

junior meteor
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but am i wrong

lucid loom
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nope

tawny zephyr
lucid loom
tawny zephyr
lucid loom
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hmm, hang on, brain spinning

junior meteor
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we just got a new ritual back in... i dont remember when it was

tawny zephyr
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I mean maybe not SOS and ik SOA isn't standard legal but what if SOA rite of flame reprint

junior meteor
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it was a 3 mana generate 4 one

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i was running it for a bit

tawny zephyr
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tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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it was fucking kaldheim

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holy shit that was 5 years ago

tawny zephyr
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yeahhhgh

junior meteor
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FIVE

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WHY DID I THINK 2021 WAS 3 YEARS AGO

tawny zephyr
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well. actually.
the last time we got more than one new ritual WAS stx...

tawny zephyr
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fuckin eh

lucid loom
junior meteor
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oh, actually, we got The Last Agni Kai, Rousing Refrain, and Path of the Pyromancer in the last 3 years

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that's 1 per year for 3 years actually

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wait, actually, is rousing new or old

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I WAS BAITED IT WAS C21

lucid loom
tawny zephyr
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junior meteor
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im very close to running [[Path of the Pyromancer]] you have no idea

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tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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here's why: Jaws is a really, really good breach deck

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and i know, boring, breach

tawny zephyr
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wait pell.
do you run that VOW superwheel

junior meteor
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but consider that blood tokens feed breach like a mf

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what one

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oh, [[Change of fortune]]

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tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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no, i don't run this because it's 4 mana

tawny zephyr
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was trying to remember its name

junior meteor
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blood cost 1 mana per to pop

tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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i think if it was 3 mana I'd play it

tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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but at 4, it actually requires me to KCI 2 blood to cast it

tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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which is 2 blood i am not spending getting its effect

tawny zephyr
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makes sense

junior meteor
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i think it's hot as fuck if im wheel breaching though

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imagine i breach wheel twice and then cast this

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whoops i have 21 cards in hand

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it is probably better in b4 as a result

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since you can actually breach wheel with LED

blissful raptor
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[[brass's tunnel grinder]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/135/brasss-tunnel-grinder-tecutlan-the-searing-rift

Brass's Tunnel-Grinder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Artifact
When Brass's Tunnel-Grinder enters, discard any number of cards, then draw that many cards plus one.
At the beginning of your end step, if you descended this turn, put a bore counter on Brass's Tunnel-Grinder. Then if there are three or more bore counters on it, remove those counters and transform it. (You descended if a permanent card was put into your graveyard from anywhere.)

Tecutlan, the Searing Rift
Legendary Land — Cave
(Transforms from Brass's Tunnel-Grinder.)
manat: Add manar.
Whenever you cast a permanent spell using mana produced by Tecutlan, discover X, where X is that spell's mana value.

junior meteor
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I've looked at Brass's a few times, it's not bad but I only get value from it if i am discarding more than 3?

tawny zephyr
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it's. tempting. even for my prosper deck. but it's so SLOW

junior meteor
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otherwise it's the same rate as blood tokens

tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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oh i dont care about flipping it

blissful raptor
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Mentioned KCI, so I figured an additional artifact you can eat after would be nice

tawny zephyr
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that is a good point

junior meteor
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as far as a wheel goes it is a worse rate than blood tokens until you discard 3 (which are 7 mana for a wheel... 🙁 ) but it is an artifact i can eat afterward for sure

blissful raptor
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It also offers selection, fwiw

junior meteor
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oh believe me i have plenty of card selection

blissful raptor
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Don't have to sink everything to use it, which is nice

tawny zephyr
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that is true. I did recently fall in love with [[valakut awakening]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/znr/174/valakut-awakening-valakut-stoneforge

Valakut Awakening <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Put any number of cards from your hand on the bottom of your library, then draw that many cards plus one.
"My ancestors reshaped the world to their vision. I have a few ideas of my own." —Tars Olan, stoneforge mystic

Valakut Stoneforge
Land
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add manar.
"I can hear the echo of their hammers, long stilled." —Tars Olan, stoneforge mystic

junior meteor
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yeah very importantly i can use it when jaws is not in play and not hemmorage my entire equity

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i fucking hate valakut awakening actually i am so sorry sov

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every time it has been in my hand it has felt atrocious

tawny zephyr
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's all good! tis the beauty of commander

junior meteor
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either i get a tapped mountain or i get a wheel that doesnt put things in the place i want them

tawny zephyr
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fwiw I wasn't suggesting it for your deck - just mentioning it as a similar version of brass tunnel grinder

junior meteor
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i would like it more if awakening said discard instead, weirdly

tawny zephyr
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Yeah

junior meteor
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(see, tunnel grinder)

tawny zephyr
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that is a good upside to tunnel grinder but valakut is v good in my windgrace deck because it's part land

junior meteor
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i've been testing a lot of suboptimal cards lately trying to find really good things but once I'm on triple/quad wheel and breach again i'm going to be so much happier

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[[Snort]] is a hell of a card

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junior meteor
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as is [[Will of the Jeskai]]

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junior meteor
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both of these cost 4 and i think if either of them cost 3 i would never even consider playing without them

blissful raptor
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Reminds me how sad Winds of Change is

junior meteor
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I've tried it, and I was so close to liking it

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it's actually so close

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again, shuffling in is the killer

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if it let me discard my hand i would play it over... wheel of misfortune?

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I've been wanting to try [[burning inquiry]] because i simply do not give a fuck about what's in my hand most of the time, but the risk of randomly drawing and discarding Dargo or KCI was just too much

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blissful raptor
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Collective Defiance is also a little sad

junior meteor
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similarly, [[Casey Jones Vigilante]] is really interesting to me but the risk of drawing KCI or Dargo and not being able to play them and randomly discarding them feels really bad

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junior meteor
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or i guess more importantly, discarding Breach randomly kills me

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i can win without breach but it is so much harder

blissful raptor
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Idk what your normal hand movements look like. Do you need a refill or just to dig?

junior meteor
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most of what im doing is refilling

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because blood tokens aren't card advantage unless you have cards in your hand that you want to discard, you do need to actually have cards in your hand in the first place

blissful raptor
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I assume Wheel of Potential is just not good enough. Same for Ox of Agonas

junior meteor
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wheel of potential unfortunately requires you to actually run energy cards to work

blissful raptor
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It does provide 3 on its own, but it's probably too weak

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I assume this is C?

junior meteor
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Ox I haven't really tried despite it being one of my favorite cards, I suspect it's probably good enough but I'm waiting until Strixhaven to see if it competes with anything

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I have a c build and a 3 build

blissful raptor
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3 build can use neheb~ Anje's Ravager is similarly not good enough for c.

junior meteor
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honestly Anje's might be fine for c, Godo's been using it for ages

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Neheb is a weird one because you'd think it'd be perfect, it exactly pays for whatever blood tokens you generate

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but it just never feels quite right in the slot, like playing it is competing with Jaws for time

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oh, another card I was looking at because I'd seen it in a Slicer primer was [[Convenient Target]]

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junior meteor
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I don't know if this is actually good, though, because actually we kinda want any buff in the deck to provide +2/+2 for math purposes

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but IMPORTANTLY this works with blood tokens???

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it's like a slower, shittier version of [[Squee Goblin Nabob]] that has value if i cast it

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junior meteor
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cards that return themselves to hand from graveyard are like, kind of a premium

blissful raptor
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Hear me out

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[[pumpkin bombs]]

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junior meteor
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I was looking at this but kinda wondering how often I'd get it back

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extremely interesting though

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[[Metalwork Colossus]] is very close to going in the deck

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junior meteor
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and i really do want to test this

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2 blood is a really, really steep price for a card i'll never cast, but i can discard it to draw a card and get it back to discard again

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and it's an excellent [[reckless handling]] or [[goblin engineer]] target

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junior meteor
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(yeah you can't reanimate it with engineer, but again i don't care, i just want it in the graveyard actually)

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but having ways to do this is a good way to turn blood into real card advantage instead of virtual card advantage

blissful raptor
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Phial of Galadriel...? Not sure how often you're hellbent. Seasoned Pyromancer has that weird wording where you go positive if you have 1 or 0 cards in hand

junior meteor
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[[Seasoned Pyromancer]]'s going back in the deck once the weirder inclusions leave, almost definitely

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junior meteor
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im on some weird shit rn and a 3 mana draw 2 is the least of my worries

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im also probably back on [[expedition map]] with the actual build, because [[fomori vault]] is so absolutely cracked in this deck

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junior meteor
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4 mana to turn any card in my hand into a dig through time is really fuckin good, actually

tawny zephyr
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Fomori Vault is VERY good

blissful raptor
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Also War Room

junior meteor
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it's like, maybe better in jaws than any other deck

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just due to how many fuckin artifacts this deck makes

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[[war room]] vs [[bonder's enclave]] sec i need to look

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tawny zephyr
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Ech war room is. Fine. 4 mana to draw 1 card is VERY ~fine~

junior meteor
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couldnt remember the cost on enclave

tawny zephyr
junior meteor
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no, i dont run either

blissful raptor
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Better than Enclave probably. They're fine for b3 probably

junior meteor
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my actual list rn is only on 5 or 6 nonbasics

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everything else is a snow mountain because [[arcum's astrolabe]] is such an incredible card

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tawny zephyr
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They’re both ~fine~ (and I don’t think I have any decks with either WR or enclave)

junior meteor
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looking at other cards from lists tonight, i might be back on [[fraying line]] again

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junior meteor
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i dont know if this is better than chain reaction

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it is probably better than chain reaction

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I've also been looking at [[Dreadhorde Arcanist]]

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junior meteor
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i don't know if this one's good enough, either, but if i'm still on Doc Ock's and Hero's Blade, i can for sure pay the cost to equip one of those if it's going to recast a wheel

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similarly, I've seen a couple of Jaws guys on [[Tyrite Sanctum]]

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junior meteor
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i think this one's kinda dogshit but not uninteresting

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as well as [[Blast Zone]] which i think is less dogshit by miles

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/987/blast-zone

Blast Zone

Land
This land enters with a charge counter on it.
manat: Add manac.
manaxmanax, manat: Put X charge counters on this land.
mana3, manat, Sacrifice this land: Destroy each nonland permanent with mana value equal to the number of charge counters on this land.

junior meteor
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(also, I've noticed a few Slicer players picking up Doc Ock's Tentacles and Hero's Blade, so that's vindicating)

junior meteor
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Trying to think if [[The Mycosynth Gardens]] is worth it, do i even play any artifacts worth copying

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junior meteor
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god, imagine copying tentacles and then playing jaws

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that's a 13/13 shark

junior meteor
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[[Chrome Dome]] + [[Chromatic Orrery]] is too cute as a kill combo to put in the primer, right?

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junior meteor
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@keen orbit what do you think, worth listing?

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these two are a kill with Jaws on board

keen orbit
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not sure :d

icy lodge
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Why not include it?

junior meteor
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i think it's a little shit

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having a 2-card infinite makes it invalid for b3, but also it being so expensive means it's probably bad for b4+

icy lodge
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That makes sense

short flare
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I think a primer is a place to include edge cases and situational combos. Its less of a product without it, just put it in its own section with other borderline stuff, that way its protected from the list changing

junior meteor
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yeah fair

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this is also the rare deck where i get to suggest actually trying karn lattice lock if you're in a bracket that can do that

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because karn is weirdly like, pretty good???

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the real thing karn does is make [[Agatha's Soul Cauldron]] a better card, even if that's not really apparent

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junior meteor
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but because you discard so many cards every game, sometimes you'll need some of your artifacts back, and being able to exile them to cauldron and then activate karn to get them back is pretty valuable

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and in the process you get to add counters to Jaws

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And then of course Lattice has the weird effect of adding a number of noncreature artifacts simultaneously (your lands and enchants) to sac to whatever

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So if you are on 5 lands and have x-11 artifacts where x is your opponents' lifetotals it is a sneaky way to just win if it resolves

junior meteor
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Okay, here's the strategy section.

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The second paragraph I think I could reword, because I think I explained it poorly, but Jaws wants to get to a point where you CAN kill a player without actually doing so, so actually focusing down one player is pretty valuable.

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You want to be in a game where a player is functionally dead to a sac outlet, rather than actually killing them.

junior meteor
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AAAAAAAAAAA i really hope my explanation for this is sufficient

junior meteor
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i didnt really realize this but you can also loop in LED to produce infinite red mana

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I'll have to redo this section at some point

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I think when I redo it, I'll do a step-by-step and then include little sections for the different interesting 0-cost and 1-costs you can loop

junior meteor
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okay i've rewritten it

junior meteor
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If anyone wants to check out the current primer so far. Ignore the fact that the list is blank. We're gonna work on it.

icy lodge
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I’m happy you included the Chrome dome/chromatic orrery combo in the primer, and without insulting it too

junior meteor
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Of course, I don't think it's very good but that doesn't mean you can't try it

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maybe it'll work for you

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I actually don't think all of the combos in the other section are very good either to be clear

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like I think the Aggravated Assault combos are likely to just get you killed

icy lodge
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Still though it’s nice to include lower power combos for people that want to go that route

junior meteor
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The whole section is prefaced with "Jaws is not a combo deck" so really anything after that is kinda "do this if you want, here are your options"

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yeah exactly

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that was the plan

junior meteor
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so am i putting this mf archaic in the shark deck or nah

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i can get it free VERY quickly

junior meteor
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🙁 looked at someone else's Jaws primer and they were like "[[Academy Manufactor]] turns Jaws's blood triggers into more tokens!"

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junior meteor
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i truly wish people could read

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crazy shit is this is the most viewed Jaws list on Moxfield, too

lucid loom
tawny zephyr
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lucid loom
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Idk if you get to the third different one

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You get treasures sometimes and blood pretty often

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But a different one, idk

tawny zephyr
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Thats fair

junior meteor
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Well the good news is this makes the 3rd one

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The real problem is this ends up being a slow tutor for KCI. Not a bad thing, mind, but it does!

junior meteor
lucid loom
junior meteor
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I think op is the only card I would be willing to keep a turn 5 Jaws for

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Maybe KCI

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Maybe goblin recruiter too

thorny plinth
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I don't like font for jaws

thorny plinth
junior meteor
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yeah :/

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I've gotten Manufactor suggested a lot in various places by people I think never actually read the card

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it's probably actually fine considering the raw amount of treasure generators i suggest, but like, it doesn't trigger on jaws or curse of op or weapons manufacturing for sure

thorny plinth
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Yeah

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Like... no

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Thankfully people haven't done that for me but most people seem to be confused on what my deck is doing

thorny plinth
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So that's at least on theme

junior meteor
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yeah

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People don't really read the cards in the deck in the first place, this is a fact lmao

thorny plinth
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"What do you mean Jaws isn't blue?"

junior meteor
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Yeah,

icy lodge
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In fairness the Jaws art is nigh unreadable unless you already know the card

short flare
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The most likely reason someone thinks jaws is blue is because they did read it 😉

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Jk

icy lodge
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Well it is a shark, sharks live in the ocean, and the ocean is blue so

short flare
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Jaws looks so very blue though yeah

icy lodge
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And in defense of Aca bot, it’s very easy to accidentally include blood tokens when thinking about it instead of seeing the card

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I know I’ve made similar mistakes with cards before

short flare
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Yeah I cant really judge that stuff either

junior meteor
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I judge it when someone is writing a primer

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i assume someone writing a primer has read the cards in their deck typically

icy lodge
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That’s fair

junior meteor
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im not asking for any level of expertise but this is something that would come up the first time you play the card, which says to me it wasn't actually tested

thorny plinth
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I'm talking about how people have said (when I have 5 mountains) they're worried about me being a blue player at the table

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Like, there are levels of not reading involved there

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And yeah, judging someone for a primer mistake is absolutely fair

junior meteor
junior meteor
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Okay, I'm having a self-doubt moment and I need feedback

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I have the single card discussion here where I'm going over individual cards categorically rather than by card type. I don't know if this is actually all that helpful.

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It also has led to me listing certain cards multiple times because they serve multiple jobs.

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junior meteor
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Do you think it would be better to list them out by card type? Or perhaps making a section for core cards first, since those are the ones serving double+ duty?

short flare
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Maybe since the goal is to share the function of a card you could include a list of functions in the entry like tags?
"Prized statue - Treasure generator, ritual, etc: A slow ritual, but it's 2 treasures for 2 mana. More importantly, it's 3 noncreature artifacts for 2 mana. You should just run this." type beat

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And then sort by some other more simple method, such as type

junior meteor
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yeah, maybe you're right

short flare
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I think the categories are fine, they're not confusing

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I honestly think the main thing is having to list stuff twice is cringe

junior meteor
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yeah

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it also sucks because if i say different things about a card in different sections that's hard to find

short flare
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Right

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I'm very anti splitting information

junior meteor
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Yeah, I agree. I'll try to work on it at work today, I'm unsure how well that's gonna go because I'm driving to fucking Navarre today but we'll see 🙂

short flare
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Spain?

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🙂

junior meteor
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Ohio

short flare
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GL

junior meteor
junior meteor
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Weird thing here I saw out of a Jaws list today: [[Technodrome]]

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junior meteor
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They're also on Agatha's Soul Cauldron, Walking Ballista, and Arcbound Ravager

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which seems like a REALLY solid package.

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Technodrome is basically just a second copy of [[Idol of Oblivion]]?

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short flare
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Technodrone feels like an inverted idol of oblivion with summoning sickness

junior meteor
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yeah

short flare
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I wouldnt play it in your list

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But I would play it in a list I might build

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I think

junior meteor
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I think the idea was to use it and not idol as a target for Soul Cauldron

short flare
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Cause I care more about it being able to attack as a 6/6 in a vacuum I think

junior meteor
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so you make your walky b for x=1, drop technodrome and ravager in the grave

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wait i fucked it up

short flare
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If you're engineering for cauldron all the time, then this does seem better than idol

junior meteor
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you play technodrome, drop walky b and ravager in grave, cauldron away the ravager

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make a huge technodrome

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untap, cauldron away walky b, kill people?

junior meteor
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having a draw engine that works with those 3 other cards is very tempting

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because i've been on ballista cauldron ravager before

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i do care about dealing combat damage, not in a real way that matters that much but a 6/6 technodrome is 6 damage i no longer have to output with the shark

short flare
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Yeah you care a bit

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I care more thats all

junior meteor
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but moreso i care about having a good target for the cauldron combo and if it can also be a draw engine and enable itself, that's big

short flare
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I think working backwards is a mistake usually, I wouldnt justify cauldron with technodrome, even if they do intersect

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Cauldron seems worth it in a vacuum to me

junior meteor
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like, i can exile a walking ball much earlier knowing i won't get the +1/+1 counter on technodrome and have it give itself one later

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yeah i mean i've been on cauldron before and liked it

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i am a big fan actually

short flare
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So if you are on cauldron already, technodrome is probably worth considering

junior meteor
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yeah

short flare
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If you aren't currently on cauldron, I dont think technodrome adds to the EV of cauldron very much

junior meteor
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i mean i'm on and off of cards all the time

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i don't think Cauldron is not worth it, it just came out when i wanted to test other things

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mostly the KCI combo stuff at the time

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which i do not think is worth the amount of space it requires lmao

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but yeah i just found that interesting and maybe when im back on cauldron ravager walking ballista i consider testing technodrome

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because card draw is really nice

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Glad to have your opinion on it, though, because I was like "wait this might actually just make that package better"

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I was already kinda on [[Cryptic Trilobite]] sometimes for that package

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but i didnt love it

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thorny plinth
junior meteor
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Manufactor is very specifically ONLY Treasures, Clues, and Food.

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Jaws makes Blood, which is none of those.

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If this were like, the guy that makes a 1/1 when you make an artifact token, sure

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that one works with jaws

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works really well too

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junior meteor
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card's cracked but also i hate it

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i think it sucks actually and yet it has the most deranged text

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what do you mean i can turn +1/+1 counters into 2 mana

keen orbit
junior meteor
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with Jaws, specifically, it's theoretically insane, because that ability-only mana? [[blood]]

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junior meteor
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but also it feels so fucking bad every time

junior meteor
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@remote coral @thorny plinth do u mind postin ur list again so pell can see

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shit gets buried so fast in this channel because i am The Yapper

thorny plinth
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I'm updating mine. I changed out something the other day but like, still need to put in like baubles

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I know you said that you're going to try Inti, but I'm trying wtih Zhao

junior meteor
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Inti's been pretty good so far since I stopped disrespecting the power of the blood token

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zhao's coming back in too because i think im on more soft stax

thorny plinth
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I had too many times where it getting exiled was bad for the deck and I put it in [[captain ripley vance]]

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junior meteor
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hmm

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i mean fair, you dont need every draw engine available

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but you know pell, we like card draw here

thorny plinth
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I love card draw. I just don't want to go buy another inti

junior meteor
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Fair.

thorny plinth
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I'm waiting on a Doc Ock tentacle still

junior meteor
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mine came in, it's foil catyay

remote coral
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I think I need to update the list a smidge but it's pretty close

junior meteor
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its ok im actually mostly looking at manabase

junior meteor
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Okay, post-depression pell time

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This looks like it is the same list because the name is the same but it is not

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this person was doing well in cEDH events with this deck and is regularly upkeeping it

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some neat inclusions this guy's been on somewhat regularly

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Scrawling Crawler was cool to see. It's a draw engine, but it puts us behind the table, so I didn't really consider it, but it does also burn the table.

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Kuldotha Forgemaster, because they're much heavier on artifacts than I am

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This person's also on [[Chromatic Orrery]] which makes me think that maybe Orrery Chrome Dome isn't as silly as it might otherwise seem

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oh tezzeret is sick in this deck, I hadn't even considered that

junior meteor
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yeah, he's VERY good here

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I'm also considering being on Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter, a card I saw in a couple of other Jaws lists as well as Slicer lists

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as part of a small Soul Cauldron package

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not as good here as in Slicer where you can cast your commander at flash speed, but still

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[[Liberator Urza's Battlethopter]]

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junior meteor
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would be in a package with [[Technodrome]] and [[Arcbound Reclaimer]]

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junior meteor
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I think it's probably a little too cute though

remote coral
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shit I forgot about technodrome

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I did have that earmarked and then completely forgot about it lmao

junior meteor
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yeah i've been looking at it as a 2nd idol of oblivion

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i think in every universe i probably play it before i play scrawling crawler

remote coral
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I might prefer [[arcbound crusher]] over reclaimer?

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junior meteor
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oh reclaimer was actually the outlet

remote coral
junior meteor
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like, the thing you use the counters for

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crusher doesn't really do that

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oh fuck there was another creature legacy was playing that was super interesting

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[[patchwork automaton]] ?

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junior meteor
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ah it says cast

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CRINGE

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but yeah carson for the cauldron package i gotta have some kind of outlet for the counters

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so i was thinking reclaimer since im on 3 wheels and probably about to be on faithless looting too

remote coral
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o sure

junior meteor
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other option is uhh

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[[crystalline crawler]]

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junior meteor
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but i dont like this one as much

remote coral
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yeah that's pretty mid

junior meteor
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the other guy was on runaway steam-kin

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which again seems pretty ok

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similar to crystalline crawler but you gotta cash out in 3s and that seems hard with Liberator

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but i guess it's better on its own

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as like "you can just play this and get a cash out" it just seems solid in that slot?

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i think im probably on both Technodrome and Liberator, it's just trying to figure out what the 3rd piece is

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oh, actually, the soul cauldron combo of Crime Novelist + Cauldron + [[Triskelavus]] is pretty interesting

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you pay 1 mana and a +1/+1 counter, make a trisk token, sac the trisk token to ping someone for 1, get a red and a +1/+1 counter for novelist

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scryfall is struggling rn

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but honestly it's probably worth just including Triskelavus if I'm running the other 2 cards anyway

junior meteor
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Other card I'm kinda interested in other than [[Triskelavus]] is [[Smoke Bomb]]

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junior meteor
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I think Smoke Bomb is really interesting in this

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i've seen numerous jaws players on it now, and it makes sense

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but also i've just never wanted to pay 3 for shroud

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unblockable is VERY tempting though

short flare
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Are you already on silver shroud costume or whatever its called?

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[[silver shroud costume]]

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junior meteor
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im not, no

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but i think 2 copies of the effect could be valuable, i'd put silver shroud in first

junior meteor
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[[Dire Flail]] is conceptually very interesting

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/145/dire-flail-dire-blunderbuss

Dire Flail <:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0.
Equip mana1
Craft with artifact mana3manarmanar (mana3manarmanar, Exile this artifact, Exile another artifact you control or an artifact card from your graveyard: Return this card transformed under its owner's control. Craft only as a sorcery.)

Dire Blunderbuss
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+0 and has "Whenever this creature attacks, you may sacrifice an artifact other than Dire Blunderbuss. When you do, this creature deals damage equal to its power to target creature."
Equip mana1
"Thought you were out of my skull-bashin' range, didn't you?"

junior meteor
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because if Jaws ever gets equipped with this you just start popping board?

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and you can just craft flail with a blood token?

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i think it's probably still just worse than [[Chainsaw]] even though Chainsaw's only once, though

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It feels so good to finally be back on [[Gogo, Mysterious Mime]]

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thorny plinth
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The smoke bomb in Jaws is also disruptive rather than just protective

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Because it also gives shroud to opponents' creatures

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So it's sort of a counterspell?

junior meteor
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Yeah, regularly it is a "counterspell"

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Also it can protect more than just Jaws

thorny plinth
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Yep

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But that's why I view it differently from silver shrouds costume

junior meteor
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Like, I never want to shroud Magda, but I might smoke it

thorny plinth
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[[Marketback walker]] is another counters outlet

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thorny plinth
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Wait no

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Gdi

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[[Mindless automaton]]

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thorny plinth
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You could also be on [[extruder]] to add more counters

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/296/extruder

Extruder <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Juggernaut
Echo mana4 (At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost.)
Sacrifice an artifact: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
As the invasion drew closer, Urza's means began to resemble Phyrexia's end.
4/3

thorny plinth
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I don't love the soul cauldron package here fwiw, but I understand it

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I've been thinking about [[the ooze]] though

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/177/the-ooze

The Ooze <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it leaves the battlefield, create a Mutagen token for each +1/+1 counter on it. (A Mutagen token is an artifact with "mana1, manat, Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
manat: Exile target card from a graveyard. Create a Mutagen token.

junior meteor
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I was much less of an Ooze fan than I thought I would be

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It never quite felt right

junior meteor
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If only bc it is not hard to cast 2 3cmc spells to draw a card

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Honestly i might just be fine with technodrome and cauldron on their own

thorny plinth
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It's more that it's targeted gy hate

junior meteor
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With cauldron technodrome I could also just turn crime novelist into a draw engine too

thorny plinth
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I had a funny thought of something to put under cauldron.

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[[humble defector]] since they only have the ability as long as you control the creature

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thorny plinth
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But that would basically only be if you're like, animating blood tokens or something like that.

junior meteor
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Yeah

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Very funny though

junior meteor
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Thinkin about making a series where I go through every card from Alpha -> to find cards that don't see play but should, as a way to both find new cards that should see play and also to have some videos online to show that I can edit videos

thorny plinth
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there are reasons I still consider running [[street urchin]]

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thorny plinth
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Or [[claws of gix]]

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junior meteor
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I should maybe try claws

junior meteor
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[[Smoke]]

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junior meteor
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smoke-powered shark

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smokestack, smoke bomb, smoke

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im very tired

remote coral
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are you on [[improvised arsenal]] or is it too slow? 🤔

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junior meteor
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junior meteor
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but i am not on it rn, no

remote coral
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Fair point

short flare
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Cranial plating is not in the pop consciousness because of the black equip cosr

junior meteor
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yeah it's not because it's bad it's because it's only playable in decks that don't want it

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whereas improvised is something we do actually want in this deck, I just worry that it might not be enough for my uses personally

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my equipment suite is VERY stringent

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I'm on:
Doc Ock's Tentacles
Umezawa's Jitte
Hero's Blade
The Reaver Cleaver
Sword of Wealth and Power

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and generally that's it

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oh, and I'll be back on Silver Shroud Costume too

thorny plinth
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I'd say that it's sort of in the same slot as Jitte

junior meteor
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yeah, very similar slot here, if you don't like Jitte you can swap it for Improvised Arsenal

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I like Jitte, so I run Jitte, the flexibility to remove blockers has always been more valuable to me than just having raw power

thorny plinth
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I have [[saw]] in that slot

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junior meteor
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I also think Chainsaw is very reasonable

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[[Chainsaw]]

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thorny plinth
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Yeah

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I know Saw doesn't scale but I like that it just is a ping + card draw

junior meteor
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yeah i mean fair enough

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I should write up a whole section in the primer on equipment because I think some number of equipment is correct, and I think at this point it's actually wrong to not be on tentacles and hero's blade

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but the rest of it is pretty flexible

remote coral
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Saw seems sweet actually

junior meteor
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saw is pretty cool, yeah

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for me that one kinda fits into the slot Technodrome does, though

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and mostly I think I'd prefer Technodrome but there's very obvious reasons to want something else

remote coral
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I think I'm mid on jitte but I might like basilisk collar or shadowspear for lifelink

thorny plinth
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I prefer [[lost jitte]] I think over original

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remote coral
junior meteor
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well, i'm on 3 card draw artifacts rn

thorny plinth
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Lost Jitte can be found with Tezzeret is the main reason

junior meteor
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One Ring, Technodrome, and Idol of Oblivion

junior meteor
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but i mostly just value what the actual modes on umezawa's do over the ones on lost

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and regarding technodrome it's still being tested, my first game with it went really well and i liked it but i think if i drew it a turn later it would have felt atrocious

short flare
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Umezawas does something none of the other options does, operate as a rattlesnake while sending offense.

junior meteor
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Yeah, being a kill spell while also presenting the ability to suddenly gain +4/+4 is pretty big

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especially in a deck that really likes evasion and doublestrike

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and can, at times, even run stuff like [[Jeska, Thrice Reborn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/186/jeska-thrice-reborn

Jeska, Thrice Reborn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Jeska
Jeska enters with a loyalty counter on her for each time you've cast a commander from the command zone this game.
0: Choose target creature. Until your next turn, if that creature would deal combat damage to one of your opponents, it deals triple that damage to that player instead.
−X: Jeska deals X damage to each of up to three targets.
Jeska, Thrice Reborn can be your commander.
Partner
Loyalty: 0

junior meteor
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which i am once again considering

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does she only have 1 loyalty, absolutely
does she triple the damage jaws deals, yes

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The other options for a 2nd planeswalker are:

  • [[Karn, the Great Creator]], if you like being able to lock people out of artifact-based mana.
  • [[The Aetherspark]], which I've heard is a pretty great draw engine in Jaws specifically.
  • [[Chandra, Spark Hunter]], which I'm not totally down with but some people seem to enjoy.
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https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/1/karn-the-great-creator

Karn, the Great Creator <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Planeswalker — Karn
Activated abilities of artifacts your opponents control can't be activated.
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value.
−2: You may reveal an artifact card you own from outside the game or choose a face-up artifact card you own in exile. Put that card into your hand.
Loyalty: 5

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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/231/the-aetherspark

The Aetherspark <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Artifact Planeswalker — Equipment
As long as The Aetherspark is attached to a creature, The Aetherspark can't be attacked and has "Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage during your turn, put that many loyalty counters on The Aetherspark."
+1: Attach The Aetherspark to up to one target creature you control. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
−5: Draw two cards.
−10: Add ten mana of any one color.
Loyalty: 4

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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/116/chandra-spark-hunter

Chandra, Spark Hunter <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Chandra
At the beginning of combat on your turn, choose up to one target Vehicle you control. Until end of turn, it becomes an artifact creature and gains haste.
+2: You may sacrifice an artifact or discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
0: Create a 3/2 colorless Vehicle artifact token with crew 1.
−7: You get an emblem with "Whenever an artifact you control enters, this emblem deals 3 damage to any target."
Loyalty: 4

junior meteor
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1st planeswalker is always Tezzeret Cruel Captain, it's simply too good

thorny plinth
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I've been high on Tezzeret the whole time with Jaws

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And have been singing his praises there since I built the deck

junior meteor
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Karn is the most generically powerful, The Aetherspark is a great engine since it draws 2 cards every turn with Jaws. Chandra's ult does, however, just win us the game.

thorny plinth
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I think which one you run depends on whether you're on:

  • moons
  • value equipment
  • midrange
junior meteor
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and also her +2 is like, pretty good

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I think if you're on Magnetic Theft and more equips than I am, Aetherspark is the best one

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like, objectively

thorny plinth
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That's value equipment

junior meteor
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yeah

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but also, Jeska's really fucking tempting

remote coral
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Dangerous to value a planeswalker based on their ult

thorny plinth
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I'm running Winter Moon and like Zhao, so Karn makes more sense there

junior meteor
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well, it's not just her ult, her +1 effectively just pops a blood without paying mana or discarding

thorny plinth
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Jeska I don't like because she's dependant on the number of times you've cast your commander

junior meteor
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Jeska I'm a little worried about at my current meta because of how popular Gut Shot is here

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she will, always, have 1 loyalty

thorny plinth
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Yep

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That you have to cast her after Jaws and she'll basically only have 2 loyalty at most is why I'm not in love with her even if she has the damage boost

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I guess that she gets around sword of wealth and power is good?

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She's cheaper than [[isengard unleashed]]

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yeah, that's really the competition she has

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is she better than Isengard Unleashed? Maybe

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5 mana is a lot but also there's a chance she comes down and dies before she gets her 0 off

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junior meteor
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i think that conceptually, repeatable triple damage is good

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and being able to get around wealth and power, which i do think is a correct card to play pretty much always, is very good

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and in monored there are not that many ways to do that

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but also sometimes an opponent will gut shot in response to her 0, you paid 3 mana to get the effect once, and you feel bad

remote coral
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"I had a good idea but oppo had removal"

Sometimes you get got (or gut shot, as it were)

thorny plinth
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You at least get the one activation of Jeska if she resolves

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Which may be enough

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Triple damage is not nothing

junior meteor
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it's functionally the same as just casting Isengard Unleashed, except in exchange for 2 mana it's WAY easier to interact with and also it doesnt triple Jaws' pings

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do i care about the 2 mana difference, maybe

short flare
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Why is it so much easier to interact with compared to isengard for a 1 time use?

junior meteor
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i need to both resolve a planeswalker and a targeted activated ability

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which means it can be swatted, etc.

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but also it fully gets countered if jaws is killed or bounced, whereas at least Isengard would work for if i need to recast Jaws, or for anything remaining on board

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in exchange, more people run Flusterstorm than run Swat, I think

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and you can fluster isengard but not either part of jeska

remote coral
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Have you played with either yet?

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Like, in a real game?

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At some point you just gotta pick one. Pros / cons list only gets you so far, both have risks / downside

junior meteor
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it's just "which one do i want to start with"

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usually i start with the one im more skeptical of

thorny plinth
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I had isengard in my list but cut it because it never lined up for the curve

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I've had more luck with [[ojer axonil]] in terms of consistent increase in damage to opponents even if it's not correlated to increased blood

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/158/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-temple-of-power

Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — God
Trample
If a red source you control would deal an amount of noncombat damage less than Ojer Axonil's power to an opponent, that source deals damage equal to Ojer Axonil's power instead.
When Ojer Axonil dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
4/4

Temple of Power
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might.)
manat: Add manar.
mana2manar, manat: Transform this land. Activate only if red sources you controlled dealt 4 or more noncombat damage this turn and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec passion. Ojer Axonil challenged them to harness it.

junior meteor
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I am adult enough to admit that despite not liking Axonil, it probably serves enough of a purpose to be worth giving another shot sometime

thorny plinth
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It's just also a secondary target from Jaws

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And have often found people more interested in killing/exiling it

junior meteor
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Oh, right, I corrected myself earlier in the Red Love discord

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Chrome Dome + Chromatic Orrery is not a win with Jaws

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it is a win with Weftstalker Ardent or Reckless Fireweaver

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but legend rule specifically does not destroy or sacrifice, which are the requirements to trigger jaws

junior meteor
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Well, I need a copy of Blazing Firesinger, now.

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Seething Song is kinda just the best card in Jaws that isn't KCI, so...

thorny plinth
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It's up there

junior meteor
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@keen orbit @thorny plinth @remote coral with the new tech of the extra Fork and Seething Song dwarf, I am considering being on said dwarf, said fork, Goldhound, and [[infernal plunge]]. Thoughts?

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junior meteor
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I should post the new cards in here I guess

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[[Blazing Firesinger]]

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thorny plinth
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Maybe, why goldhound?

junior meteor
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[[Choreographed Sparks]]

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junior meteor
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[[Goldhound]]

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junior meteor
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also it triggers JJJ

thorny plinth
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Hrm

junior meteor
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or is a turn 2 jjj if that's better

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also, being a 1 mana creature, you can do things like Choreographed Sparks for Goldhound and Infernal Plunge

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and generate a lot of mana for not much cost

thorny plinth
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Sorry. Still getting over migraine

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I use treasure dog in Vihaan

junior meteor
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it's fine

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i'm just trying to think if this is a small number of inclusions worth trying out

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because i've been very close on Infernal Plunge for a while

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honestly could be a situation where i want both skirk and goldhound

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if im on plunge

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or like, a low drop that makes a treasure

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[[impulsive pilferer]] or [[enterprising scallywag]] or something

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junior meteor
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or [[charming scoundrel]]

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junior meteor
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I've also still been looking at Dead//Gone

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I really just need to actually fix up a full list and do more testing but I can't get proxies for the new set until after I move, and I expect a lot of the stuff I want for this deck to be rather pricy to just buy

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Sorry for yapping so much, I am mostly trying to get a stock list together so I can easily test

remote coral
remote coral
thorny plinth
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dwarf maybe?

junior meteor
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But importantly it also is pretty nice with dwarf

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I already like Reverberate or Fork

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An annoying thing that might put me off Sparks instead of Fork is that you can't use Sparks to copy opposing countermagic

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Which is usually what I use Fork for outside of copying seething

blissful raptor
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We considering spoilers for shark btw?

junior meteor
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And more yeah

blissful raptor
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Is wheel of fortune prepare guy already in consideration? Been meaning to mention him but haven't been able to look at chat the past several days

junior meteor
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I need to re-see that card

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But maybe

thorny plinth
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[[Naktamun Lorespinner]]

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junior meteor
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Oh this card is very bad for us

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We need to avoid hellbent by any means

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If it entered prepared I would try it

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The issue is really that ever being at 1 or less in hand for an entire turn cycle means we are not cycling blood tokens

blissful raptor
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That's just an area where I wasn't sure if you were still struggling to refill

remote coral
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I'm considering for my list

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plus I'm not on seething song, that might make the cut

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I've always been mid on rituals that don't win the game (see: mana geyser)

junior meteor
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Fair, I personally love Seething Song, 3 mana cast Jaws is always very attractive to me

remote coral
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3 mana jaws is sick until he gets immediately swords'd and you're four mana away from Jaws 2

junior meteor
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Yeah, that happens sometimes

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Some of these cards worth testing I think probably don't end up in the deck, but before I can even test them I really need to make a true stock list to work from

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I'm gonna work on that when I get home since I'm still at work

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Equipment:

  • Beamtown Beatstick
  • Doc Ock's Tentacles
  • Hero's Blade
  • Umezawa's Jitte
  • Sword of Wealth and Power
    Optional Equipment:
  • Conqueror's Flail
  • Silver Shroud Costume
  • Improvised Arsenal
  • The Reaver Cleaver
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are any of those optional ones I should consider core? I really do think you should be on Reaver Cleaver if you're on Jaws but also ???

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im mostly second-guessing myself here

peak shuttle
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Do Damage, Get Treasures.

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The Reaver Cleaver can be very worth it.

icy lodge
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I used it in Wolverine to get enough mana to win on some else’s turn

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It’s great

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Especially if someone uses removal on it and not Jaws

short flare
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Pell, where's your current list

junior meteor
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my current list doesnt even exist rn

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im in a really bad mental state atm and questioning Everything I've Ever Done

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so we're gonna fix that problem today

short flare
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🙁

junior meteor
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yeah dont worry im gonna deal with it

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i hope

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😄

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im gonna lay down for a lil tiny bit and then whip something up

peak shuttle
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Yeah, it never hurts to take a breather and a break from the brewing.

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To Replenish your Mind and get a Stroke of Genius and Preordain something new.

remote coral
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gotta ponder those orbs before you throw them in the trash

junior meteor
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creating a baseline

junior meteor
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Hmm, it looks like the person who was going to events with Jaws is on [[Adaptive Omnitool]] again despite cutting it previously

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junior meteor
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i really wish i could get in contact with some of these people, it would make my life a lot easier

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okay here's their recent changelist

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they're off lizard blades and reaver cleaver rn

junior meteor
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I kinda like [[Dowsing Device]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/146/dowsing-device-geode-grotto

Dowsing Device <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact
Whenever this artifact or another artifact you control enters, up to one target creature you control gets +1/+0 and gains haste until end of turn. Then transform this artifact if you control four or more artifacts.
"A little innovation can lead to a big score." —Admiral Beckett Brass

Geode Grotto
Land — Cave
(Transforms from Dowsing Device.)
manat: Add manar.
mana2manar, manat: Until end of turn, target creature gains haste and gets +X/+0, where X is the number of artifacts you control. Activate only as a sorcery.

junior meteor
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it's kind of a Rampant Growth

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4 is literally nothing

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4 is great furnace, a couple of treasures, and this thing

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and notably it can just be a rampant growth on etb lmao

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at the same time, though, is it better than Fellwar Stone or Fire Diamond or whatever

junior meteor
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okay so this feels fine

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it's turn 7, so a little ??? on speed but i'm fine being a little slower

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i might need some more soft stax pieces

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this is a kill with crime novelist, triskelavus, and agatha's soul cauldron

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i think the fastest i can pull it off with this b3 build is still turn 4 if i get literally the nuttiest of nut draws

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it has to be t2 cauldron, t3 wheel, t4 crime novelist

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and the novelist has to be in my hand after the wheel lmao

thorny plinth
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Hrm

junior meteor
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im not really happy with it

thorny plinth
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I just still don't think jaws is a cauldron deck

junior meteor
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but like, i'm already going to run cauldron and crime novelist anyway

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those are just good cards in here

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god, wait, hear me out here

thorny plinth
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Yeah, it's good graveyard hate. I mean I don't know it's trike combo

junior meteor
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maybe this is why the guy who was running cauldron was on both atogs

thorny plinth
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I could see that

junior meteor
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the cauldron was for jaws so jaws can be both the sac outlet and enabler

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i do not like this idea but it's like, fine???

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i would prefer arcbound ravager

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since it can put itself in the grave

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junior meteor
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im also trying out rad lotus

short flare
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Ive been impressed with the potential

junior meteor
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with kuldotha forgemaster

junior meteor
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this is literally everything i have ever wanted

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in a single hand

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the only thing missing is fomori vault?

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that still ended up poorly

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i am missing the goblin recruiter in all of this

junior meteor
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one thing that's kinda nice about omnitool is it is a cranial plating

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so sometimes jaws is just a 29/29

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and with agatha's and any sac outlet that usually just closes out a game

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test hands are feeling a tad slower than i'd like though for not having any stax in them

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other than a grafdigger's

junior meteor
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i think this build is actually, somehow, worse than the one i was already playing

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i miss my free cycling artifacts damnit

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the trisk cauldron thing is like, totally fine and that's a really nice 3-card dealeo

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but the rest of the deck i think kinda fucking sucks

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i still dont like welder, i dont like krark-clan shaman

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im probably supposed to keep welder in if im on cauldron though

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since i can turn any creature into a welder

junior meteor
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okay so this is what i made today and it's not very good

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compare to my previous build

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please ignore the name of my previous build storm

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it's not important

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(it's the first build with goblin recruiter)

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using the compare feature most of the cards that were different were cards i kinda missed

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baubles, goblin recruiter, train heist, jjj, hedron detonator

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also i keep going back and forth on whether it's worth running Wealth and Power + Commander's Plate, or just one or the other

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i think you can probably get away with just commander's plate + silver shroud + a couple of redirects

junior meteor
junior meteor
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Considering [[Dire Blunderbuss]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/145/dire-flail-dire-blunderbuss

Dire Flail <:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0.
Equip mana1
Craft with artifact mana3manarmanar (mana3manarmanar, Exile this artifact, Exile another artifact you control or an artifact card from your graveyard: Return this card transformed under its owner's control. Craft only as a sorcery.)

Dire Blunderbuss
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+0 and has "Whenever this creature attacks, you may sacrifice an artifact other than Dire Blunderbuss. When you do, this creature deals damage equal to its power to target creature."
Equip mana1
"Thought you were out of my skull-bashin' range, didn't you?"

junior meteor
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an 8 damage pop is pretty big but the cost is kinda high

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notably i always have the artifact to craft with

junior meteor
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i didnt complete the thought

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but more importantly, the 1 mana equipment equips for 1 and gives +2/+0

junior meteor
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OKAY GAMERS

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I NEED 2 CUTS

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I THINK THIS IS IT.

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We're on Irencrag Feat again because I've realized that actually it's just 3rd copy of Seething Song

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so i am on every legal copy of that spell

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it might be correct for it to be Geosurge instead

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this was an incredibly mediocre hand and it's still a t5 kill

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also, you are indeed seeing that correctly, without all the fast mana normally available i still did this t5 with 2 lands

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and i did the whole thing with silver shroud backup

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and most of it with a redirect lightning which is in the grave

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i need to work on my quick Radiant Lotus math though

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it's coming up in these test hands where im actually overproducing red when i could be producing less

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i need a quick formula to know how many blood to turn into red

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like, i had 43 (for example) and my brain was like "oh i can crack 14" but actually that produces 42 mana, and i have 29 blood left

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is it literally just 1/4

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if i crack 11, i make 33 mana, and have 32 remaining

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oh

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(in this scenario obviously all opponents are dead if i just sacrifice all blood to radiant lotus, thanks to jaws, but i wanted to do math)

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@lucid loom this current build feels WAY better

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just cleaner

lucid loom
junior meteor
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i do still need to find what 2 cards im cutting but

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having both radiant lotus and kci is like

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pretty huge

lucid loom
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any kinks you're worried about?

junior meteor
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the biggest thing is actually the irencrag feat vs geosurge deal

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[[Irencrag Feat]] [[Geosurge]]

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junior meteor
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so the thing is one of these is kind of seething song and the other isn't

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irencrag can be cast for 3 mana with a ruby medallion

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but it is a much worse card overall

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and im unsure how i like it comparatively

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in general either of them is mostly just going to get used to cast jaws and maybe equip him

lucid loom
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how significant do you think it is that it SOMETIMES is 3 mana and not 4?

junior meteor
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i think it's not that significant but quad red can be tough

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im on a fair number of colorless lands now

lucid loom
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"a fair number" honey you are on 8...

junior meteor
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eight is a lot

lucid loom
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and 1 of them is not always colorless for these two spells

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8 out of 35

junior meteor
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i was on like 3 before

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the thing i like about geosurge is it's more flexible

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it's better after i play jaws than irencrag is

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but quad red is so fucking rough

lucid loom
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how rough is triple red?

junior meteor
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sorta rough but less

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treasures make up for it a bit

lucid loom
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I mean, you're mono red

junior meteor
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it might just be worth doing the geosurge

lucid loom
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I know you got colorless sources but you're still mono red

junior meteor
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here's a thing that might push me over the edge

lucid loom
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I would do Geosurge if you have to choose one or the other

junior meteor
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there's a kill line actually i can't do with irencrag

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that i can do with geosurge

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which is "i have cauldron and tezzeret and at least 1 blood token in play with jaws and imperial recruiter in hand"

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in which i imperial recruiter for arcbound ravager

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you can't cast the arcbound ravager if you irencrag

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but basically the point is that you can use jaws to sac your entire board's artifacts precombat to swing in and get a bunch of blood tokens to sacrifice with jaws

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and it kills pretty fast

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you can also theoretically do this with atog if you're running that and it's easier to win that way