[[hans eriksson]] with [[walls of ba sing se]]
#Pell's Personal Deckbuilding Enclave
thorny plinth
junior meteor
ack, hans, run, it's the w a l l s o f b a s i n g s e
but yeah i think it's probably great in jaws
another new inclusion is [[Engineered Explosives]]
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Artifact
Sunburst (This artifact enters with a charge counter on it for each color of mana spent to cast it.)
, Sacrifice this artifact: Destroy each nonland permanent with mana value equal to the number of charge counters on this artifact.
junior meteor
which i have not gotten to try out but would have been insane last night
x=2 is very achievable
but also, it does just blow up your tokens??
thorny plinth
No, it only does the set number
thorny plinth
And it only can have 1 charge counter, or 0
thorny plinth
True
junior meteor
that was why i considered running it, i make so many goddamn treasures in my build
that ee is just crazy
no reason not to run it
thorny plinth
I have [[relic of legends]] in mine because I have so many legendary creatures
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
Tap an untapped legendary creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
"If the worst parts of history can repeat themselves, it stands to reason that the best parts can as well." —Teferi
junior meteor
i dont have that many 
thorny plinth
I have 12 in addition to Jaws
junior meteor
yeah so most of the difference in creature count is legends
4 of the 5
i'm still trying out [[magmakin artillerist]]
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Creature — Elemental Pirate
Whenever you discard one or more cards, this creature deals that much damage to each opponent.
Cycling 
(, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle this card, it deals 1 damage to each opponent.
1/4
thorny plinth
Most of my legends are backups to jaws
junior meteor
yeah see that's something i think is kinda important
i dont have a jaws backup: if i can't cast jaws, my answer is magmakin artillerist and wheels
that's really it
oh, or knuckles
i can play a "fair" game with plunderer, jjj, and facebreaker, but i will just lose that game
thorny plinth
The idea is by having backups they can't just focus on removing one of my things
junior meteor
oh i have a question for you actually
have you tried [[valakut awakening]] and did it feel like shit for you too if so
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Instant
Put any number of cards from your hand on the bottom of your library, then draw that many cards plus one.
"My ancestors reshaped the world to their vision. I have a few ideas of my own." —Tars Olan, stoneforge mystic
Valakut Stoneforge
Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
"I can hear the echo of their hammers, long stilled." —Tars Olan, stoneforge mystic
thorny plinth
Yes
I love that card but Jaws doesn't want to reheat cards
And really wants untapped lands
peak shuttle
No microwaves for the shark.
junior meteor
yeah true
mxkale you should be on snort btw
card's crazy
i didnt think it would be as good as it is
thorny plinth
I'm still heavily considering [[structural assault]]
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junior meteor
my worry with that is like, i don't really have a good way atm to get my equips back if they go
but i looked at that and pulverize
i'm much more heavily reliant on those equips to deal my burn damage than you are
it is probably fine for you
thorny plinth
I just don't like the self wipe angle
junior meteor
yeah that's why i thought you might be on soul immo
thorny plinth
But I definitely feel about the not having a wipe in it
junior meteor
because like, you can blight 5 onto a 4/1 skeleton
and suddenly your opponents dont have a board
this deck's so hard to build because there's just so many cards that look like they'd be good
but actually they fuck up your gameplay in ways you don't really get until they happen
like i was on [[reckless rage]] but actually this makes shark die to lightning bolt
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thorny plinth
I've updated my sideboard to be the more accurate cards I'm planning on trying
thorny plinth
Yeah, I just run it in so many red decks already
junior meteor
oh
lmao
i was gonna say, i was a little confused but i kinda trust you on stuff like that so i was willing to hear it out
thorny plinth
Meant to have Ninja destroyer
junior meteor
ah yeah
staying higher on the legend count probably helps for mox amber too
which im not on but you could be
i probably wouldn't include it until you try out zhao though
not that many low-cost legends
thorny plinth
I still like fomo
junior meteor
i think fomo is probably good but i would definitely be on wheels if im on it
not to harp on it
thorny plinth
Yeah, and I'm on [[change of fortune]] and Clive
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junior meteor
honestly might be something i include if i go on the skittering precursor build
i do kinda wonder if this is an [[ox of agonas]] deck
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Creature — Ox
When this creature enters, discard your hand, then draw three cards.
Escape—, Exile eight other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its escape cost.)
This creature escapes with a +1/+1 counter on it.
4/2
junior meteor
and you just never cast this from hand
thorny plinth
I think it's close but I've never liked ox
junior meteor
eight is so fucking many though
i love ox, it's one of my favorite alltime creatures
thorny plinth
I know several people are really high on it
junior meteor
one of the people i was looking at builds for with Jaws was on it and i didnt get to ask them how they felt about it
but they were on like 5 wheels
discard build feels weird to me
but i could definitely be convinced that [[glint-horn buccaneer]] is better than Reckless Fireweaver or whatever
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Creature — Minotaur Pirate
Haste
Whenever you discard a card, this creature deals 1 damage to each opponent.
, Discard a card: Draw a card. Activate only if this creature is attacking.
2/4
junior meteor
hard to convince me it's better than weftstalker
thorny plinth
I know that colossus hammer is still weird here but it's just funny with magnetic theft and otherwise I can sacrifice it
junior meteor
yeah, i'd be on it if i was on magnetic theft
are you still big on turn inside out + monstrous rage
like how have those felt for you
thorny plinth
Turn inside out has been better than monstrous rage I've been planning on swapping it out
junior meteor
mostly asking because i think i might be on [[bulk up]]
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Instant
Double target creature's power until end of turn.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Norf would win the arm-wrestling contest this year, at any cost.
junior meteor
or smash through or whatever
the one that's a split second pump or artifact removal
thorny plinth
I was probably changing it out with [[temur battlerage]]
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thorny plinth
or [[dreadmaw's ire]]
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junior meteor
but i dont think it's wrong
thorny plinth
I see more deathtouch
junior meteor
yeah i see a lot less so tbr is less valuable than something that just gives a large amount of power
still might end up being TBR over soulcleaver though
thorny plinth
TIO has been good though becasue I can use it on opponent's stuff
And then I still get the manifest dread
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junior meteor
is that crazy
thorny plinth
No
junior meteor
speaking of draw 2s
lmao
i think if im gonna keep magmakin artillerist it might actually be worth it
just have an extra copy of demand answers but it's a pump too
if only there were actually literally another card with demand answers' text
thorny plinth
fwiw, the reason i don't have monument to endurance is I'm still out of them even though I have 3
junior meteor
i am not on it beacuse i just dont like the card
thorny plinth
I love it too much
junior meteor
but i think depending on how much discard you're on it probably gets better
like i think if i go up to 3 or 4 wheels i might try it
but i feel like a lot of the time it is bait
thorny plinth
Yeah
junior meteor
i have been the "that's bait but i believe it" person more than once with it
thorny plinth
I'm going to be interested if I end up building brallin/shabraz once we get in-universe Jaws
Monument is a card that's been best in decks where I can control discards or clone it
Like, a monument list running [[mirrorform]] would be hilarious and I sort of need to try to build it
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thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
I think you're right, I'm gonna trim the sideboard to just be things I want to try (plus Walk the Plank so I can keep that art)
and then put the things in the considering that I know work and can come in or out
junior meteor
A couple of other cards I wanna look at, considering how often I'm solo swinging with Jaws:
[[Seifer Almasy]] — Gives doublestrike to solo attackers, and if he swings and hits can recast my copy of Spectacular Showdown? kinda big, but costs 4 mana.
[[Tempered in Solitude]] — Card draw but only if you attack alone and only one card a turn. It's a little weird!
icy lodge
Seifer is really good
thorny plinth
If you want to voltron this, those can both work
[[bilbo's ring]] might be worth it?
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
During your turn, equipped creature has hexproof and can't be blocked.
Whenever equipped creature attacks alone, you draw a card and you lose 1 life.
Equip Halfling (: Attach to target Halfling you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
thorny plinth
nm, I forgot what the reduction condition was on the equip
tranquil onyx
i have a feeling this card is good
It reads “when you wheel your opponents take equal damage” so yeah it’s solid imo
lucid loom
Like, a monument list running [[mirrorform]] would be hilarious and I sort of ne...
truuuuuue
junior meteor
It reads “when you wheel your opponents take equal damage” so yeah it’s solid im...
yeah that's what i was thinking, i want to wheel anyway, it's the only form of card draw the deck actively gets to participate in
and burn damage to my opponents = good
junior meteor
If you want to voltron this, those can both work
I don't think going full voltron is a great idea, but I do wanna try out Seifer at least because he does have utility outside of giving Jaws doublestrike
casting 2 spells cost 3 or less from my grave can realistically be like, spectacular showdown + a removal spell or whatever
or hell, wheel of misfortune
like [[Molten Psyche]] is very close
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junior meteor
the problem being i never have enough cards for this to actually draw me anything
junior meteor
Thinking about [[Firestorm]]
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junior meteor
I dont think it is as good in Jaws as Satya but it might be better than some other removal options
thorny plinth
I just wish it didn't have its current price issue
But if you're playing online that's not a problem
junior meteor
oh im proxying if i get physical paper anyway
card price is never an issue for me because i don't support WOTC monetarily
also, if i wanted a physical copy i'd get goldborder anyway
I'm just trying to think about potential additions, I don't think Firestorm is actually good because there's not really an easy way in monored to repeatedly get Casey Jones' ETB
and that'd be the only way to really draw enough cards to make firestorm worth it
i guess there's always like, molten duplication or whatever
i don't really wanna be on molten dupe though
[[Molten Duplication]] actually does this hit artifacts
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thorny plinth
I still like [[red sun's twilight]]
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junior meteor
well the idea was that i can make a copy of tentacles, which makes jaws a 13/13?
and the following turn i threaten lethal on whoever that hits
because he's a 9/9
thorny plinth
Yeah, no, i was just talking about in general
junior meteor
oh yeah fair
thorny plinth
Not in this case specifically tentacle
junior meteor
and then of course i could also use casey jones for card advantage if i run that
hmmm
thorny plinth
[[tempestra]] tbh
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Illusion
, , Sacrifice an artifact: Create a token that's a copy of another target creature you control, except it isn't legendary. It gains haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
"The stakes have risen, my green friends. Now you are playing for the fate of the world!"
1/3
thorny plinth
She can make copies of jaws by sacrificing a blood
And she's the only kiki-style copy effect that's nonlegendary for output
junior meteor
oh, that's actually not a bad shout actually
i might try her out, that's legitimately very interesting
and she curves very well into jaws
thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
tempestra -> j jonah jameson, give her menace, make a treasure -> jaws
thorny plinth
Tezzeret can untap her
junior meteor
and i would love for Tempestra to be good in this deck because I love Tempestra
wait, can he?
thorny plinth
[[tezzeret cruel]]
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junior meteor
[[Tezzeret Cruel Captain]]
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thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
👀
thorny plinth
This is why people think I build spooky decks
junior meteor
and again, worst case scenario if you don't think you can hit with two jaws, you just clone the tentacles ahead of time
because she can do that too
actually, might be harder to do that, but still
thorny plinth
You have to clone tentacle, untap, then clone jaws
Tentacle will attach to the copy on etb
thorny plinth
And, for me, I can do [[sundial of the infinite]] shenans because she doesn't have delina nonsense
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Artifact
, : End the turn. Activate only during your turn. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Discard down to your maximum hand size. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.)
junior meteor
im not on sundial because i do not trust my ability to do that
but i do think tempestra might be the play
and if im on tempestra i might try out mox amber
my legend count is kinda getting up there
thorny plinth
I'd almost do mox opal first?
junior meteor
im already on opal
thorny plinth
RIght, forgot
thorny plinth
She can also clone like jjj for extra treasure
junior meteor
and another menace trigger
thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
because something i do a lot is just tempo jjj
giving it to literally anything is huge, so
thorny plinth
The clone can suspect itself if needed
junior meteor
yep
dargo technically also a low-cost legend but i kinda need the mana first
Zhao was fantastic yesterday btw
card's actually incredible
if people just let me play it and trust i will not pay 9 mana for blood moon i think i still get so much out of it that it's worth the slot
thorny plinth
I think people will trust me enough to do that
thorny plinth
More people distrust me over [[crime novelist]]
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Creature — Goblin Bard
Whenever you sacrifice an artifact, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature and add .
"But then he peeled off the mask, revealing a sight that made Groja's blood run cold—Brulu was actually Vogos in disguise!"
1/3
junior meteor
oh yeah people hate that
they see crime novelist and they're like "oh that's a 3 mana ritual that generates 15 mana with kci"
thorny plinth
Or [[combustion man]] (which I'm still not cutting him)
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thorny plinth
But yeah, I do think Tempestra here is very good and she's going to be ignored in a lot of builds (in EDH in general) because of her activated ability being 3
junior meteor
I'm at least gonna test her out
I also think I might try out Molten Duplication specifically and not any of the other clones
Another card I wanna try is Throne of Eldraine
I need to actually set up a proper sideboard tonight, I was just so tired that I played 1 match and went to sleep
I think it might be reasonable, even, to look at Godo lists to see the things they're on, they're not quite the same but we're both big red decks that need to go to combat to win so surely they have some tech that could be helpful.
like i know Godo's been on [[Anje's Ravager]] and [[Wandering Archaic]] for ages
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Creature — Vampire Berserker
This creature attacks each combat if able.
Whenever this creature attacks, discard your hand, then draw three cards.
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
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Creature — Avatar
Whenever an opponent casts an instant or sorcery spell, they may pay . If they don't, you may copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"Fly the path of nine birds."
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Explore the Vastlands 
Sorcery
Each player looks at the top five cards of their library and may reveal a land card and/or an instant or sorcery card from among them. Each player puts the cards they revealed this way into their hand and the rest on the bottom of their library in a random order. Each player gains 3 life.
junior meteor
and I've tested out Pyrohemia before and really liked it, it might end up back in the deck
another funny card I know Godo decks are running sometimes is [[Pit Automaton]] since it runs double duty there, it doesn't really do that here but it seems fine anyway?
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Defender
: Add 
. Spend this mana only to activate abilities.
, : When you next activate an exhaust ability that isn't a mana ability this turn, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy.
0/4
junior meteor
Another card I wanted to try is [[Planebound Accomplice]] and stuff like [[Chandra Awakened Inferno]]
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Creature — Human Wizard
: You may put a planeswalker card from your hand onto the battlefield. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
"Told you I had friends."
1/3
junior meteor
or actually maybe [[chandra flameshaper]]
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Legendary Planeswalker — Chandra
+2: Add . Exile the top three cards of your library. Choose one. You may play that card this turn.
+1: Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control, except it has haste and "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice this token."
−4: Chandra deals 8 damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures and/or planeswalkers.
Loyalty: 6
junior meteor
scrap that, that actually just doesn't even sound good upon looking at it again
thorny plinth
No, I really don't think that chandra is great overall for this
junior meteor
i don't think planebound as an idea is very good here
i've just never gotten to use it and i thought "hey maybe" but actually no
thorny plinth
The cEDH decks I've been seeing using that chandra don't use planebound. They're just super ramp (read Etali)
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, roll a six-sided die. That creature gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is the result. Then if it has the greatest power or is tied for greatest power among creatures on the battlefield, draw a card.
Equip
"I don't know you, but that hammer rings a bell."
junior meteor
frequently my 5/5 is highest power no matter what the roll
but they're also on magnetic theft and stuff
thorny plinth
I have that in my box of "cards to keep track of" that I keep looking at recently
junior meteor
[[Veilstone Amulet]] is another one that's seeing play
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thorny plinth
I have a galaxy foil of the one
junior meteor
this is "you get an effect that gives this to any creature that is in play under your control this turn"
which means you can cast jaws and he can't be removed that turn
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Enchantment — Aura
(
can be paid with either 
or 
.)
Enchant creature
When this Aura enters, draw a card.
Enchanted creature can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.
junior meteor
well, this applies to anything you control at all, even if it comes in after the effect resolves
because it's an effect on you
thorny plinth
Yes, I mean that it's the not hexproof
junior meteor
WAIT @thorny plinth I WAS LOOKING AT JAWS LISTS
AND I FOUND SOMEONE RUNNING HERO'S BLADE
VINDICATION
lucid loom
[[hero's blade]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+2.
Whenever a legendary creature you control enters, you may attach this Equipment to it.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
The best swords are forged with dragonfire.
thorny plinth
I never said anything against hero's blade
junior meteor
Other cards I've looked at that were interesting from other monored decks:
- Hero's Blade
- Gogo, Mysterious Mime
- Infernal Plunge
- Molten Duplication
- Molten Psyche
- The Rollercrusher Ride
- Stranglehold
- The Aetherspark
- Magebane Lizard
- Beamtown Beatstick
- Scytheclaw Raptor
- Rampaging Ferocidon
- Witch's Mark
- Unleash Fury/Bulk Up
- Throne of Eldraine
- Pyrohemia
- Reverberate
- Irencrag Feat
- Anje's Ravager
- Wandering Archaic
- Chain Reaction
- Reckless Endeavor (I might give this a second shot)
- Ghostfire Slice
- Cursed Mirror
- Claim the Firstborn (I might look at options that let me steal artifacts, too, actually)
- Strength-Testing Hammer
- Veilstone Amulet
- Treasure Nabber
- Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar
- Jeweled Amulet (can't believe I forgot it again)
- Disruptor Flute
- Sword of Wealth and Power
- Scorching Shot
- Volcanic Fallout
- Powerbalance
- Lizard Blades
- Currency Converter
big list
[[Momo's Heist]] is very funny
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icy lodge
I like [[reverberate]]
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junior meteor
Yeah, I'm considering it in a slot over one of my redirects
icy lodge
The blue version [[twincast]] won me a game recently
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junior meteor
redirects are nice, but Reverb has more utility for me
and can be used as a counterspell as well
icy lodge
And it’s always funny to use it in response to a board wipe intended to draw cards for someone
junior meteor
it honestly might go in over [[tibalt's trickery]]
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junior meteor
i almost 100% of the time use this to counter counterspells
icy lodge
At that point just use reverberate so they don’t get free value
junior meteor
and reverb can counter a fierce or whatever
i think the only highly-played counterspell it can't hit in format rn is annul?
i get got by annul really hard anyway
[[Annul]]
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icy lodge
Oof
junior meteor
it's fucking rough, i cast my tentacles, they annul me
i cry
i think i am gonna try out a build with tentacles and hero's blade but no tarrian's and no ooze
and try swapping ooze for something else
icy lodge
Cards that let you steal artifacts could be a good idea
junior meteor
yeah i was thinking Momo's Heist might be a good shout
it guarantees they never get it back, too
icy lodge
Also [[mycrosynth lattice]]
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icy lodge
Fair
junior meteor
and also creatures don't ever trigger jaws
junior meteor
yeah it's really important that they don't, it's why i don't just make a bunch of 1/1 servos
icy lodge
Doesn’t help that the card is near illegible lol
junior meteor
I think I 1:1 swap The Ooze for Agatha's Soul Cauldron
icy lodge
Do you run [[visions of ruin]]?
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Sorcery
Each opponent sacrifices an artifact. For each artifact sacrificed this way, you create a Treasure token.
Flashback 
. This spell costs 
less to cast this way, where X is the greatest mana value of a commander you own on the battlefield or in the command zone. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
junior meteor
I don't, currently, it's very expensive
front side is 4 mana backside is 5 and i have to be hitting 3 things to make it worthwhile
i'd rather be on [[Seize the Spotlight]]
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junior meteor
my removal for my opponents' artifacts is pretty limited to Engineered Explosives and Meltdown currently
and targeted I have Untimely Malfunction as well
icy lodge
[[Echoing Ruin]] after making a bunch of blood tokens sounds hysterical
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junior meteor
I was on that, but being sorcery and 2 mana was pretty rough
it's gotta be one or the other i think
i do have a bunch of ways to sac blood
Slobad, Dargo, KCI
Crime Novelist
there's one more my brain can't remember
Arcbound Ravager
and then of course Meltdown, Engineered Explosives, and in the past I've also run Brotherhood's End
although I'm off of it right now because I don't wanna blow up my equips
icy lodge
[[Anzrag’s rampage]]?
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junior meteor
If Anzag's broke my own artifacts I'd be into it
As it stands though I actually don't play anything big enough to justify this + a sac outlet
junior meteor
It sounds weird to be like "this blows up my important stuff" and "this doesn't blow up my stuff" back to back
But it is important that if I am blowing up artifacts, I am blowing up my blood tokens
thorny plinth
If Anzag's broke my own artifacts I'd be into it
That's part of why I've enjoyed RST in decks
It can hit your own and make token copies that then also get sacrificed later.
thorny plinth
[[red sun's twilight]]
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thorny plinth
I don't think it works with Jaws but the destroy, along with the ability to destroy my own things, made me consider it.
junior meteor
Oh right
thorny plinth
I am still trying [[devastating onslaught]] though it's a different thing entirely
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thorny plinth
Since each artifact sacrificed to KCI increments x up.
junior meteor
yeah, i think if i were on more things worth copying i'd be higher on it
thorny plinth
I've honestly just copied tokens with it and it has worked. I don't know that it's entirely game changing but it will finish games. It's like an x burn spell
junior meteor
Other things I'm looking at, to add to the giant list:
- Artist's Talent (all 3 modes are pretty good, but I'm unsure as a whole it is worth the cost)
- Cool But Rude (hoo boy)
I think if I were on an x burn spell, I'd probably be on [[Kaervec's Torch]]
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Sorcery
As long as Kaervek's Torch is on the stack, spells that target it cost more to cast.
Kaervek's Torch deals X damage to any target.
The pulsing heat of the midday Sun burns in the Lion's eye. —Stone inscription, source unknown
thorny plinth
As a fan of both of those talents, I think cool but rude is better generally for Jaws
junior meteor
im mostly interested in CBR at level 2
if that makes sense
it's 1 more mana than [[Mechanized Warfare]] but actually it's easier to cast
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thorny plinth
if that makes sense
It does, but it also has a gamble if you need it
junior meteor
and an amount of the time it'll be better
yeah
that's my thing
I also wanna look at [[Iroh's Demonstration]] again
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junior meteor
which looks much nicer with mechanized warfare in play
2 mana volcanic fallout or deal 5 to a creature
the concern with running any removal spell that deals 5 is the ability for it to get swatted onto jaws
junior meteor
Here's a question @thorny plinth -- Mechanized Warfare, Fated Firepower, The Rollercrusher Ride, Torture Pit, Collective Inferno, Furnace of Rath, or Quest for Pure Flame
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junior meteor
So here's my thing with Fated Firepower, I kinda hate that it's 5 mana to be any better than Mechanized at 3
thorny plinth
Doesn't specify combat vs noncombat, only is towards damage on opponents and their permanents
I honestly use [[ojer axonil]]
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Legendary Creature — God
Trample
If a red source you control would deal an amount of noncombat damage less than Ojer Axonil's power to an opponent, that source deals damage equal to Ojer Axonil's power instead.
When Ojer Axonil dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
4/4
Temple of Power
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might.)
: Add .
, : Transform this land. Activate only if red sources you controlled dealt 4 or more noncombat damage this turn and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec passion. Ojer Axonil challenged them to harness it.
junior meteor
[[Mechanized Warfare]]
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junior meteor
and this includes stuff like Pyrite Spellbomb
thorny plinth
Yes
junior meteor
i can't think of any other things that proc it as artifacts that i care about
maybe sofi if i'm coping extra hard
thorny plinth
If you're using spellbomb and care about its damage then the warfare is good
junior meteor
but also i dont think i am ever on sofi now that wealth and power is out
another weird thing i think might matter is if you're on a build with Loyal Apprentice
thorny plinth
I liked that I could also buff Ojer to scale the damage (like if it has tarian's attached) and if it dies it becomes a land
junior meteor
I think Ojer's cool, but I like creature sources of this effect less than noncreature ones
i kinda wish this effect was on an artifact
thorny plinth
Yes, it was about scaling from 1->4 instead of 1->2
junior meteor
yeah
thorny plinth
I would use warfare just because it's cheapest
junior meteor
[[Torture Pit]]
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Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create three 1/1 red Devil creature tokens with "When this token dies, it deals 1 damage to any target."
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Torture Pit
Enchantment — Room
If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent, it deals that much damage plus 2 instead.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
thorny plinth
And it's both types of damage
junior meteor
this is 4 mana for a +2 but only hits noncombat
and i never ever in my entire life pay 4 mana for the other side
i would have to be in a really bad spot
yeah
thorny plinth
I'd end up using [[ticket booth]] knowing me
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Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, manifest dread.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Tunnel of Hate
Enchantment — Room
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature gains double strike until end of turn.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
junior meteor
i almost like tunnel of hate but 6 mana is so much here
thorny plinth
That would be the side, yes
junior meteor
i think if it was 5 i probably play it
the 3 mana half is a draw spell though
which is like, not nothing
similarly, artist's talent is being considered because it is theoretically a damage multiplier
but it is simply so much total mana
[[Artist's Talent]]
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
: Level 2
Noncreature spells you cast cost less to cast.
: Level 3
If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals that much damage plus 2 instead.
junior meteor
and it only does noncombat
thorny plinth
Yes, I also don't know how much it's helping you, in terms of math for the level 2, which is the most important
Basically for all talents, the important one to judge it by is the second level
junior meteor
the discount is actually really helpful, the builds i've been on are on a lot of 
or 
spells
ruby medallion is so incredibly solid
so like, is second ruby medallion worth it at over double the cost if it also draws spells
that's really it
5 mana is right where i consider acceptable
but i think im still on mechanized over it
thorny plinth
I'd look at that vs [[fire crystal]]
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Legendary Artifact
Red spells you cast cost less to cast.
Creatures you control have haste.
, : Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
"Warriors of Light...Only you can restore hope to the world, for yours is the light that can balance out the darkness..."
thorny plinth
Which is 1 less than the price with the upgrade
junior meteor
yeah, i get nothing out of the entire rest of the card
but it is cheaper
which is not nothing
thorny plinth
I'm just talking about as point of comparison, not as suggestion
junior meteor
i know a few jaws lists were on fire crystal because they were on the weird goblin gaea's cradle rabblemaster guy
thorny plinth
nod
junior meteor
[[howlsquad heavy]]
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Creature — Goblin Mercenary
Start your engines!
Other Goblins you control have haste.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token. That token attacks this combat if able.
Max speed — : Add for each Goblin you control.
2/3
thorny plinth
I'm not running crystal because it's in my Saheeli list and Id idn't want it to be too similar
junior meteor
yeah fair
i think if i were on the goblin recruiter build with howlsquad and stuff i might be on fire crystal
and that might be the right build to be on right now
i think it's really weird to consider that jaws might actually just be a really good "goblins" deck
where instead of playing goblins classically you play the goblins that are good for making the gameplan work
thorny plinth
Haven't you ever heard of a goblin shark?
junior meteor
yeah,
i dont like thinkin about em
they scare me a lil
but like i think it's very reasonable to be on like
thorny plinth
deleted because saw the scare message after the menu went away
junior meteor
its ok
goblin recruiter, slobad, skirk, zada, howlsquad, and krark clan shaman or something
as your entire goblin package
all independently good cards in the deck
but i do wonder if that encroaches a little bit on where Pashalik Mons wants to be
and if pash does that gameplan better
thorny plinth
The goblin engineers
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junior meteor
bombardiers i think is just a card that should always be in jaws
i think it's just core to the deck
thorny plinth
Goblins that care about artifacts: https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Agoblin+o%3Aartifact+c%3Dr+format%3AEdh&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
It depends on the deck
But yeah, I think jaws as a goblin commander absolutely works and wouldn't be weird
junior meteor
hmm, maybe that'll be something for some other time for me
once i get this nailed down
but i do think it's really reasonable to be able to be like, i goblin recruiter and put slobad and a bunch of very powerful value goblins on top that also happen to just be good if you draw them individually
thorny plinth
Which slobad?
thorny plinth
There are just two of them
junior meteor
[[Slobad Goblin Tinkerer]]
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junior meteor
is usually the one i talk about with this, since he's your repeatable sac outlet
thorny plinth
And v2 opens up like [[spine of ish]]
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junior meteor
yeah, i just don't like his effect for the price, i don't think he's bad but he only works with actual artifacts from the deck
if he gave me like 1 mana for blowing up a blood i'd be down
honestly i'd play that effect, WOTC get on it, tap the creature and sac an artifact to give 1 red mana
junior meteor
yeah, i just want second Crime Novelist
Some other things I'm not super sold on
I've tried out Weapons Manufacturing and every time it has been in my hand it has felt mediocre
I know that it works really well with Jaws and with Broadside and with anything that sacs artifact tokens
but I might actually be off of it, I've never cast it and felt good about doing so
trimming out a skeleton i think these are the creatures that i am the most confident in being in the deck
i think there's no universe where any of these leave except maybe magmakin if i stop running wheels for some reason
these (minus maybe artillerist) are, by definition, what i would consider core to jaws
thorny plinth
Jaws cares enough about making tokens that I think those not triggering manufacturing is a significant issue
junior meteor
yeah that's what i mean
thorny plinth
And probably why it hasn't felt great
junior meteor
it makes tokens but also not that many of them
it'd be weirdly better to just like, have an enchant that says "at your upkeep make a clue" or whatever
thorny plinth
One card I'd almost wonder about for your list is [[arcbound reclaimer]]
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junior meteor
i've been almost on reclaimer a few times, it's really good as extra protection for the equips
thorny plinth
Recruiter is to find: ragavan, zhao, novelist or jjj?
thorny plinth
I keep forgetting that because of [[grim hireling]] being buffer
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Creature — Tiefling Rogue
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, create two Treasure tokens.
, Sacrifice X Treasures: Target creature gets -X/-X until end of turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/2
junior meteor
also it grabs weftstalker ardent
and magamkin artillerist
it actually just grabs all of those creatures except Dargo
thorny plinth
magmakin I think could still be replaced with cool but rude pretty happily
junior meteor
so i think imperial recruiter is really hard to justify not running if it tutors any creature in my deck minus dargo
i think you're probably right but i like magmakin, being a 1/4 makes it a weirdly fine menace target for jjj
doesnt do a ton of damage but it does actually take pretty significant investment to actually remove from play in combat
thorny plinth
I still love [[Ivora]] and she's generally played well before t7
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Warrior
Trample
When Ivora enters and whenever it deals combat damage to a player, create a Blood token. (It's an artifact with ", , Discard a card, Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
Whenever you discard a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Ivora.
1/1
thorny plinth
After that her being smaller has been an issue but people just don't block her if Jaws is also there
junior meteor
tutorable from recruiter, i do have the small concern of her just being a 1/1 forever
until i wheel
because if im popping blood im trying to win that turn or the turn after usually
thorny plinth
Recruiter also finds knuckles
junior meteor
wait is knuckles a 2/4
thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
holy fuck why is knuckles so cracked
thorny plinth
Because he's awesome?
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junior meteor
which i've been considering
thorny plinth
I love it in my list
junior meteor
even if i only get 1 extra combat ever
1 extra combat with jaws wins the game
a lot of the time
i've had situations where jaws is a 6/6 with doublestrike and 2 combats kills a player
thorny plinth
4 isn't impossible to get. Land, instant, sorcery, artifact at least
junior meteor
i am not on as much discard
i think if im on fomo i'm on fetches and thus on [[skittering precursor]]
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Menace
Whenever you sacrifice a nontoken permanent, create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
It pushes ahead, eliminating lookouts and tactically sowing spawn.
3/3
junior meteor
artifact, land, and instant are pretty easy, the 4th thing isnt as easy but not impossible
and weirdly if im on the sac value build i might value [[aether revolt]] higher
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Enchantment
Revolt — As long as a permanent left the battlefield under your control this turn, if a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals that much damage plus 2 instead.
Whenever you get one or more 
, this enchantment deals that much damage to any target.
junior meteor
actually, no, this card is just worse than torture room
junior meteor
and torture room is worse than mechanized warfare
but i probably am on skittering precursor and fetches if im on fomo
and maybe even stuff like welding jar and goldhound
weird thing, the other creatures that are currently missing from my list are ALSO all tutorable by imperial recruiter
i accidentally cared a lot about being tutorable
this wasn't intentional, but Magda is a 2/1, Reckless Fireweaver is a 1/3, and Pinnacle Monk is a 2/2
i don't actually think magda or reckless fireweaver is core
fireweaver just feels so fucking bad every time i cast it, and magda is fine but it is worse than generous plunderer 9/10 times for me
because you have to swing it to get the treasure, you don't have it precombat to use to cast jaws
i'd almost prefer something like [[zookeeper mechan]]
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Artifact Creature — Robot
: Add .
: Target creature you control gets +4/+0 until end of turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
Infinite Guideline's "Fauna from Sothera" exhibit proved popular. Unfortunately, the biological zookeepers kept getting eaten.
1/3
junior meteor
or even actual factual [[fire diamond]]
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Artifact
This artifact enters tapped.
: Add .
Every facet aglow like iron in Moradin's mighty forge.
junior meteor
but i think zookeeper is like, almost good enough, 7 mana is just too much for the +4/+0 pump but man does that just make jaws a 9/5
thorny plinth
I'm using Zookeeper
junior meteor
how do you feel about zookeeper and have you ever activated the ability
thorny plinth
I like: it's 3 toughness, it triggers the artifact etbs, it gets bigger if tezzeret untaps it
The one time I activated it was to put it on one of my secondary bruces
It being sorcery speed is rough
thorny plinth
Exactly
junior meteor
Brazen Collector has the same problem as Magda, Sunset Strikemaster is just a worse ability outright, i might be into [[Vault Robber]] but ???
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Creature — Dwarf Rogue
, , Exile a creature card from your graveyard: Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
The dwarves believe works of art should be passed down the generations, not buried with the dead.
1/3
junior meteor
i dont run very many creatures
so vault robber actively will have no text
and then from there it's like, Fable of the Mirror Breaker
which i don't think is bad but it's 3 mana and again does not curve into jaws
because it has to be able to attack first
thorny plinth
Goblin dorks are the other viable option
The heavy, skirk prospector
But for those you want the goblin build
junior meteor
yeah
i think skirk is reasonable on its own though
it is just blood pet, after all
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Instant
Target creature you control fights target creature an opponent controls. If the creature the opponent controls is dealt excess damage this way, add that much .
Until end of turn, you don't lose unspent red mana as steps and phases end.
Zuko's journey began when he refused to duel his father, but it would end dueling his sister.
thorny plinth
As a ritual
thorny plinth
I'm using it in Neyith where most of the things are 6+ power
junior meteor
i think it should really just always be in jaws, even in a post-tarrian's landscape
2 mana make 4 mana is something that just happens a lot, for me
thorny plinth
If you have crime novelist you can keep any mana generated during combat
junior meteor
yep
that's really the big part: i can use slobad and crime novelist to sac a bunch of blood during combat to make mana and hold up interaction
it's so good i've considered running [[Ashling Flame Dancer]]
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Shaman
You don't lose unspent red mana as steps and phases end.
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, discard a card, then draw a card. If this is the second time this ability has resolved this turn, Ashling deals 2 damage to each opponent and each creature they control. If it's the third time, add .
4/4
junior meteor
even though i think this card isnt that good in the deck, the effect to keep my red mana is pretty valuable, and sometimes i do cast 3 spells in a turn
also i wanna make sure on this but doesn't any instant + flare of duplication make 4 red
- cast spell 1
- cast spell 2 (flare)
- flare resolves, copies spell 1 ?
thorny plinth
Thoughts on [[fire nation palace]] or [[fire nation turret]]?
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Land
This land enters tapped unless you control a basic land.
: Add .
, : Target creature you control gains firebending 4 until end of turn. (Whenever it attacks, add . This mana lasts until end of combat.)
Artifact
At the beginning of combat on your turn, up to one target creature gets +2/+0 and gains firebending 2 until end of turn.
: Put a charge counter on this artifact.
Remove fifty charge counters from this artifact: It deals 50 damage to any target.
junior meteor
i tried Fire Nation Palace and I did not like it
i dont think it's bad i just don't think it's great either
it would be better if [[blood]] didn't have this stupid line of text on it
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Token Artifact — Blood
, , Discard a card, Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.
thorny plinth
What line of text
junior meteor
i thought these were sorcery only this entire time
junior meteor
I THOUGHT IT HAD THE MUTAGEN/MAP LINE
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THEY WEREN'T REAL GAME OBJECTS
thorny plinth
Yes
thorny plinth
Can you understand why I love blood now?
junior meteor
but i might be on turret theoretically
or even, stupidly enough
[[firebending student]]
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Creature — Human Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Firebending X, where X is this creature's power. (Whenever this creature attacks, add X . This mana lasts until end of combat.)
"Fire is the element of power." —Iroh
1/2
junior meteor
im not really storming but i am frequently casting rituals
there was another firebending card i liked
one moment
it's not in these colors
im ruined
thorny plinth
[[saheeli's directive]] or [[inspiring statuary]] are cards I keep thinking about
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Sorcery
Improvise (Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Reveal the top X cards of your library. You may put any number of artifact cards with mana value X or less from among them onto the battlefield. Then put all cards revealed this way that weren't put onto the battlefield into your graveyard.
Artifact
Nonartifact spells you cast have improvise. (Your artifacts can help cast those spells. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Ghirapur's most celebrated inventors have been immortalized in clockwork.
thorny plinth
But I'm not convinced on either
junior meteor
[[fire nation occupation]]
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Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, create a 2/2 red Soldier creature token with firebending 1. (Whenever it attacks, add . This mana lasts until end of combat.)
Whenever you cast a spell during an opponent's turn, create a 2/2 red Soldier creature token with firebending 1.
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junior meteor
but i gotta look at how many attack triggers im on
thorny plinth
But a lot of those aren't on the creature
thorny plinth
JJJ cares about creatures with menace attacking so he'd only double trigger for himself
junior meteor
oh, im on [[generous plunderer|big|41]]
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thorny plinth
That's only one creature
thorny plinth
Boast is the attack trigger but not the sac ability
And is only 1x per turn (w/o birgi)
junior meteor
yeah
and facebreaker is also only on damage
birgi isnt in the list anymore but i've unironically considered putting her back in just for double boast activations on broadside
it is a really powerful thing to be able to double pop something
hmm, well that was a dead-end
I was listening to some podcasts with people playing monocolor cEDH and something a lot of them said is just "it doesn't matter if a card is good if it doesn't work with your deck, you cannot just run good cards in monocolor, you need to rely on the synergy because your card quality is going to be low comparatively"
and so im re-evaluating a lot of things i thought were great recently, like i still think Guild Artisan is good but it's probably not very good in Jaws
because with Jaws you just need to get in and sometimes that's not possible against the highest life opponent, it is more important that you get in at all than get 2 treasures, so why play something you can't reliably trigger
thorny plinth
Yeah, I agree with that. Backgrounds should be in your CZ for anything you want to be more competitive
Monocolor decks don't have 2 card combos, like say dimir does, that can be included that aren't directly connected to the commander
I guess [[paradigm shift]] + thoracle, but that's borderline
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thorny plinth
And I think the one example I can think of
junior meteor
Well I mean there's Dualcaster Twinflame
I'm not on that as long as this stays b3
Oh, the other night when @lucid loom joined us for a game, I repeatedly was joking that [[Stranglehold]] would be a beating and I'm think it is less and less a joke
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lucid loom
Oh, the other night when <@623727335090290688> joined us for a game, I repeatedl...
Yep
And I run way less tutor effects in some of my decks now
Tho that would murder Solphim for sure
junior meteor
Not just that, look what I consistently play against lmao
Might be bad against merfolk but still
i do play against TJ on Omnath like, regularly
it is his main deck
i dont really like random specific stax pieces but Stranglehold is super interesting to me because even if someone steals or clones it, i don't do those things anyway
lucid loom
Not just that, look what I consistently play against lmao
True
Tbf my main decks lean in a more Core-Bracket-style anyways, to use brackets for reference
In general my games are a bit slower
Tho i have online lists that can/would match better
junior meteor
yeah, as you noticed the games with that group skew a little faster
junior meteor
@thorny plinth do you think [[Blast-Furnace Hellkite]] is worth testing
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junior meteor
i know slicer players have been on it for a while and jaws isnt that much different deck-construction-wise than slicer
might need to figure out artifacts a bit differently for that to work though
thorny plinth
I'm the wrong person because I have never liked that dragon
junior meteor
me neither but im looking at it
im also looking at [[impact resonance]], another card slicer plays sometimes
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lucid loom
<@425497578050945025> do you think [[Blast-Furnace Hellkite]] is worth testing
for Jaws?
junior meteor
yeah
lucid loom
what can you feed to it?
junior meteor
uhhhh the ring
lucid loom
I think its good, but for this deck?
junior meteor
oh and twinshot archer
lucid loom
2/99 hits?
junior meteor
i dont even know if im staying on twinshot
well i mean i can feed a blood token, but 9 mana is a pipe dream
lucid loom
yeah you're not doing that
junior meteor
yeah
impact resonance might be too cute
but also it's 2 mana pyrokinesis
actually wait, i need to ask something in rules
junior meteor
yeah, so 2 mana pyrokinesis
lucid loom
still pretty solid
junior meteor
lucid loom
oh boy Satya!
junior meteor
yeah #commander was talkin about em so i wanted to repost my most recent list
i do still think, fwiw, [[raph & leo]] > fomo in this
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junior meteor
but i like the draw engine and i like the theoretical possibility of getting infinite combats
junior meteor
Here's a thing for Jaws that I really like actually
I was looking at a list that's getting regular updates, built for fringe cEDH, and they're running [[Glaring Fleshraker]]
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Whenever you cast a colorless spell, create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
Whenever another colorless creature you control enters, this creature deals 1 damage to each opponent.
2/2
junior meteor
now, im aware it's for the kci combo as a killcon
but i think if i'm running enough artifacts it's probably just actually a good card?
the problem is trying to find a way to get that colorless symbol
i think there's a real consideration that top + fleshraker is worth playing if i can find a way to up my colorless mana count
but their list is on Helm of Awakening -> Top -> Fleshraker -> Mystic Forge
which is interesting if nothing else
other things that list was on that i'm really interested in are [[kediss emberclaw]] and [[razorkin needlehead]]
junior meteor
i think razorkin goes much less hard in b3 but kediss is maybe worth giving a try
they are very notably not on the JJJ package but i think it's probably just that it's too slow for cEDH
they are on mechanized warfare, and the two i'm looking at are the only ones actually on it instead of whatever the fuck the flash x-spell one is
these are the main two i'm looking at
the first one is the glaring fleshraker list, the other one is much more focused on using jaws to burn
Both of them are on Inti, which is just a card I haven't personally enjoyed in the past but might give another try
Also, both are on Grim Monolith even though only one of them actually has a way to abuse it
I might try out [[Basalt Monolith]] actually, I'm unsure
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This artifact doesn't untap during your untap step.
: Add .
: Untap this artifact.
junior meteor
just a value basalt seems medium but also it's a really good way to go from 3->6
or maybe i go down a GC for [[Grim Monolith]], I don't think that's correct but maybe
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Artifact
This artifact doesn't untap during your untap step.
: Add .
: Untap this artifact.
Part prison, part home.
junior meteor
honestly a little fucking annoying that [[coldsteel heart]] only taps for colored mana
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Snow Artifact
This artifact enters tapped.
As this artifact enters, choose a color.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.
The Phyrexian death machine awoke, its coldsteel heart imbuing it with sinister new power.
junior meteor
otherwise i would play this
it could be [[solar transformer]], feels wrong but it does tap for red 3 times
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Artifact
This artifact enters tapped.
When this artifact enters, you get (three energy counters).
: Add .
, Pay : Add one mana of any color.
junior meteor
which is way more than i really need
junior meteor
Okay, minor update
I'm running Inti and Monument to Endurance now, as well as Myocsynth Wellspring, Hero's Blade, and Dragonfire Blade
I went down a little bit of stack interaction (most notably pyroblast is back to being gone) and swapped Skred for Ghostfire Slice
Also we put Goblin Engineer in. I don't know how much I will enjoy that. Glaring Fleshraker is in, and to support it we put in Volatile Fault.
If it's too hard, I might go down 2 snow mountains for a copy of prismatic vista and a snow wastes
(I am currently still on snow lands because of arcum's astrolabe, even though i dropped skred)
I also wanna try out Dead//Gone at some point.
Oh, and Tarrian's Soulcleaver has finally left the deck. I love that card but it's just not where Jaws wants to be, I think.
reminder to self to also put Ramunap Ruins in the to-test list
not because im ever gonna sac it to deal 2 but in case the colorless requirement for fleshraker is too inconsistent
thorny plinth
Pell, I do want to say on Inti, I think a lot of people are on it in jaws because it's an alternative engine if Jaws is offline and can slowly grow things. I don't know that it means that everyone who's playing Jaws needs to be playing it
junior meteor
i mean im gonna give it a shot
clearly if everyone's on it it should get some time
junior meteor
FUCK I WANTED TO TRY OUT THRONE OF ELDRAINE
aaAAA
also, [[rockface village]] is another red/colorless land
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Land
: Add .
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast a creature spell.
, : Target Lizard, Mouse, Otter, or Raccoon you control gets +1/+0 and gains haste until end of turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
lucid loom
FUCK I WANTED TO TRY OUT THRONE OF ELDRAINE
Eheheheheheheheeeee
lucid loom
i dont think i can run this legally
You can
Its just a bad idea
junior meteor
Eheheheheheheheeeee
i added it to the proxy list
the nice thing is i still have most of my satya proxies as well as the ones for captain howler, so i don't have to proxy a lot
just the remainder of jaws, the updates for satya, and whatever for whatever 3rd deck i end up putting together irl
junior meteor
building out my cEDH ob list to add to the order and the guy with the most recent and consistent ob success is not on [[razorkin needlehead]] or [[casey jones back alley brute]]
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and i can't really know entirely why because he's got a primer but it's very out of date
junior meteor
oh, funny enough, Mente's working on the primer tonight maybe
junior meteor
So the site I use to make my shit has me at 274 cards after both the Satya upgrades, Jaws, and an entire obnix cEDH deck. They charge the same for 240 cards as 395. I need to find a 3rd deck to use those extra 120 cards.
might be jyoti
might be marchesa but i really need to tune that deck
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Long May She Reign! :crown:
junior meteor
I accidentally clicked on the VOD of the tournament match I watched where 2 players handed a game to blue farm rather than feed Vivi even a single card and listened to this Vivi talk about how he's playing an interaction-heavy midrange build with [[Thunderclap]] and Cave-In. I have never seen this card before in my fucking life
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tawny zephyr
huh. neither have I!
junior meteor
0 mana deal 3 damage is actually really interesting for me
i don't value lightning bolt super high, it misses 4 toughness creatures, but 0 mana lightning bolt is pretty hot
[[cave-in]] i have seen though
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junior meteor
and i've considered playing this
-2 cards to pyroclasm the board for free is like, not bad
i dont think it's ever better than Engineered Explosives but it might beat out Soul Immolation now that I'm not on Tarrian's Soulcleaver
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I've also only just realized that I, personally, do not own any blood tokens. Need to find some pretty ones.
tawny zephyr
I like the VOW one
junior meteor
man there's really only been 3 huh
well, i don't love the chum bucket
i might just get a custom one done with like, red vector shapes resembling a shark's jaws on a black background
or something idk
dapper mortar
i might just get a custom one done with like, red vector shapes resembling a sha...
If you want, I can see about getting a commander staple one to you 😁
dapper mortar
Yeah, I made some minimalist filigree designs with Commander Staple advert stuff on the back to MagicCon to hand out
I am gonna order some more and would love for you to have a set or two
junior meteor
hell yeah
junior meteor
those look really nice
dapper mortar
I had to relearn GiMP all over again for these but yeah I was real proud of them
The foils are fucking ✨ stunning✨
junior meteor
very rainbowy
dapper mortar
I'm 100% just gonna get a bunch of foils this time round tbh.
junior meteor
dapper mortar
anyway yeah, if you want I can see about getting some to you
junior meteor
but yeah if you want to get a set or two to me i would really appreciate that
and you know im gonna get use out of the blood one at very minimum lmao
dapper mortar
You got it! I'm actually probably gonna look into ordering them here directly
junior meteor
woo 
i still wanna get the deckbox for jaws
there's someone on etsy that makes deckboxes that look like VHS tapes
and i think that's very cute for specifically Jaws
dapper mortar
there's someone on etsy that makes deckboxes that look like VHS tapes
Have you seen the popcorn bucket for the Iron Lung movie
dapper mortar
It's so cool, I imagine it wouldn't be hard to scale down and turn into a deckbox with someone who's a wizard at blender
It's Markiplier's movie he released recently
one sec
junior meteor
oh
dapper mortar
junior meteor
good for him actually
junior meteor
he always seemed like one of the few youtubers that could make it in other industries and i mean that in a way that is less mean than it sounds
dapper mortar
He released the STL file free online so you could print it yourself though
dapper mortar
he always seemed like one of the few youtubers that could make it in other indus...
Dude has a T O N of talent and drive to learn as much as he can, and that garners some serious respect
junior meteor
that bucket is crazy what the hell
dapper mortar
Especially in his ability to say he doesn't know something
junior meteor
yeah that's what i mean
a lot of youtubers will not learn, they will not admit they don't have expertise, they will not improve
and i really respect him for being someone that isn't like that
dapper mortar
He does it for the love of the game and you can really see that
And he gets to brag now because his movie was the #1 grossing movie for like three or four days straight the weekend it came out
For a movie that costed $3 mil he made magnitudes more money from it than he spent
junior meteor
I think Monument to Endurance is actually just correct, I can't believe I wasn't on this
i can draw 3 cards on 1 mana every turn with blood tokens
pay 1, sac a blood discard a thing, make a treasure, draw 1
pay the treasure, sac a blood, discard a thing, draw 1 draw 1
it might even be worth running reckless handling just to have more ways to get it
if only there were more ways to tutor it in red
so both Monument to Endurance and KCI are effectively card draw engines in this deck, which is a weird thing to say
i guess also Crime Novelist
and both Crime Novelist and KCI are also rituals
tawny zephyr
if only there were more ways to tutor it in red
There is [[audacious reshapers]] and other such effects, if those are of interest to you
https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Aconsult-onto-battlefield+ci%3Ar&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
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Creature — Human Artificer
, Sacrifice an artifact: Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal an artifact card. Put that card onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This creature deals damage to you equal to the number of cards revealed this way.
3/3
junior meteor
That one seems likely to kill me, but I like where you're at actually
[[Indomitable Creativity]] could be a legitimate option
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tawny zephyr
That one seems likely to kill me, but I like where you're at actually
Oh shit I forgot abou the damage aspect lol
lucid loom
I too love polymorph
tawny zephyr
i hadnt even considered these
there's also all the impulse (blue card) onto battlefield effects
https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Aimpulse-onto-battlefield+ci%3Ar&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
tawny zephyr
it would tutor an artifact to board?
yes
junior meteor
is [[smelting vat]] crazy
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Artifact
, , Sacrifice another artifact: Reveal the top eight cards of your library. Put up to two noncreature artifact cards with total mana value less than or equal to the sacrificed artifact's mana value from among them onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
tawny zephyr
Hm. it does care about the mana value of the sacrificed thing, so nonbo with tokens
unfort
junior meteor
unfortunate, i thought that was kinda cool
[[Saheeli's Directive]] is kinda interesting
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Sorcery
Improvise (Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Reveal the top X cards of your library. You may put any number of artifact cards with mana value X or less from among them onto the battlefield. Then put all cards revealed this way that weren't put onto the battlefield into your graveyard.
junior meteor
i just improvise all my blood tokens for a turn?
5 is how many you make on jaws
and 5 is more than every artifact in my deck
my most expensive artifact, currently, is [[throne of eldraine]]
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Legendary Artifact
As Throne of Eldraine enters, choose a color.
: Add four mana of the chosen color. Spend this mana only to cast monocolored spells of that color.
, : Draw two cards. Spend only mana of the chosen color to activate this ability.
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which has goldfished EXTREMELY well
i was not impressed by this card and thought "there's no way im actually ever using 2nd mode" but actually
this card says draw 2 cards on it
for
that's not just above rate, that's so far above rate it's not even funny
you'll laugh but i actually grabbed that tech from Godo players I think
lmao
one really interesting thing about monument that i think i didnt really consider is that it is an engineer target
usually im engineering like, moonsilver key
so that i can use that over and over again to get KCI and mana rocks
but monument when i have the mana and no cards is VERY reasonable
junior meteor
there's also all the impulse (blue card) onto battlefield effects
> https://scry...
thank you again for these, i wouldn't even have looked at Reality Scramble otherwise
it has retrace and this deck doesn't need that many lands to play
tawny zephyr
thank you again for these, i wouldn't even have looked at Reality Scramble other...
ofc!
junior meteor
and also
retrace = discard
= monument trigger/inti trigger
kinda almost too perfect
junior meteor
yeah
i do wish i had a moonsilver target that drew cards other than throne
but that's a lot of wishful thinking lmao
technically chromatic star draws 1
Another thing to look into is that this deck generates a lot of mana but has nothing to use it on
once kci or crime novelist is out, there are a lot of very large rituals
and if both are out forget about it
1 shark hit with both out is 15 mana
Another weird option is because Crime Novelist is technically card draw, I could run a goblin tutor for it
I already run Imperial Recruiter, and it's the only goblin in my deck rn
wait, that's not even true
Slobad and Hedron Detonator are both goblins too
... and goblin engineer
not sure how i missed that one
maybe it's a [[Goblin Recruiter]] angle
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junior meteor
im gonna test this tonight
lucid loom
im gonna test this tonight
oh you are...
noted
(I will forget don't worry about it)
junior meteor
i also might swap [[mycosynth wellspring]] out for [[ichor wellspring]]
junior meteor
i like the land tutor a lot but also i like draw card
lucid loom
i also might swap [[mycosynth wellspring]] out for [[ichor wellspring]]
wait you don't have IW in there???
the hell you doing?? GET THAT IN THERE!
(Im biased)
junior meteor
i don't
i have the other 2 wellsprings
prized statue and myco
but also i like draw card
junior meteor
i might just drop a land for it
kinda worth
i am at 34 lands i am slipping from my principles
short flare
I value drawing a random card in my deck over a land in a KCI deck personally, it feels like if myco is worth playing ichor probably is too
short flare
Did you see B's extremely responsible 44 with dorks in their thread for Eshki, very responsible
junior meteor
im at 34 now