this one's just me being stupid actually tbh
#Pell's Personal Deckbuilding Enclave
keen orbit
is mayhem devil above power?
junior meteor
mostly just not good in tables im in a lot
it's solid with generous plunderer but i dont see a ton of treasures
if i start seeing more treasures i probably put mayhem devil in over like
agate
keen orbit
tbh if opponent uses removal on firebrand means they dont use it on parasite, your commander or bowmaster
thorny plinth
I still like [[descent into avernus]] even if it doesn't ping for ob
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junior meteor
i don't think descent is great in this, mostly because i already kill myself pretty fast
lots of boltlands and one ring
keen orbit
mayhem devil triggers a ton from non artifacts like fetchlands etc
thorny plinth
Which is fair
keen orbit
[[redirect lightning]] is a goated spell atm
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Instant — Lesson
As an additional cost to cast this spell, pay 5 life or pay 
.
Change the target of target spell or ability with a single target.
"A Waterbender lets their defense become their offense, turning their opponent's energy against them. I learned a way to do this with lightning." —Iroh
junior meteor
yeah, im not on it rn because i was higher on swat and bolt bend
keen orbit
[[Avalanche of Sector7]]
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keen orbit
yeah, im not on it rn because i was higher on swat and bolt bend
cedh ob runs them all
junior meteor
i dont love avalanche of sector 7, again it's better when your opponents are making a lot of treasures and stuff
but i dont see that many
keen orbit
i dont love avalanche of sector 7, again it's better when your opponents are mak...
its mana rocks as well
junior meteor
yeah, but we're also not running things like mox diamond, chrome mox, mox opal, amber (unless the commander's cheap), etc.
mostly bc GC slots are rough
keen orbit
ye but signets and talismans!
junior meteor
yeah, just seems more situational than my other 3 drops
keen orbit
i would take some mental notes next time you play how often it would trigger
junior meteor
yeah that's a good plan
i'll see
gleeful has been incredible and i can't really cut it, scrawling crawler gets people to want to murder me dead but it is very good
facebreaker has literally never done anything but i also never draw it
thorny plinth
The great "it seems like it's great but I've never drawn it"
keen orbit
pretty much not played in the cedh versions
not alot of great attackers
[[Forsaken Wastes]] 😏
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junior meteor
yeah, i went a little heavier on creatures in this but i also dont really attack much
forsaken wastes vs roiling vortex has been a very common 
for me
i go back and forth on which is better
i think i like vortex more because i can use shadowspear with a pinger to gain life when i need to and shut down lifegain other times
keen orbit
for decks with super important commanders i like cavern of souls
junior meteor
yeah im only not on cavern of souls because it's a colorless land outside of obnix
no other demons minus valvagoth
keen orbit
same with commander beacon
junior meteor
yeah, another one where im being very careful on the number of colorless lands
and maybe shivan gorge should just be beacon
keen orbit
[[reflecting pool]] i enjoy a ton
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Land
: Add one mana of any type that a land you control could produce.
Gale stared into the pool and saw a stranger. The similarities were uncanny, but it was not him.
junior meteor
i really hate reflecting pool, lands that don't tap for anything without a second land have punished me so many times
im not even on exotic orchard because of it
keen orbit
btw [[forbidden orchard]] tends to be fun in ob nic
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Land
: Add one mana of any color.
Whenever you tap this land for mana, target opponent creates a 1/1 colorless Spirit creature token.
junior meteor
i think forbidden orchard is pretty solid probably
maybe better than confluence here
keen orbit
even triggers blood seeker xD
junior meteor
yeah i mean i took bloodseeker out but if it goes back in i probably just for sure add forbidden orchard
actually
one thing it does that i didnt think about
[[the last agni kai]]
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Instant
Target creature you control fights target creature an opponent controls. If the creature the opponent controls is dealt excess damage this way, add that much 
.
Until end of turn, you don't lose unspent red mana as steps and phases end.
Zuko's journey began when he refused to duel his father, but it would end dueling his sister.
junior meteor
maximum refund on agni kai?
keen orbit
yea
keen orbit
last agni is a sleeper op card
junior meteor
i got 7 mana off it yesterday and it was how i won the game
despite eventually making a 32/x it was just good enough at +7
thorny plinth
Agni is in my Neyith and is one of the "haven't drawn it yet" cards
junior meteor
and the not losing red mana til end of turn could have come up if i went to combat, as i'd have the mana for a REB or a bolt bend or whatever
junior meteor
Agni is in my Neyith and is one of the "haven't drawn it yet" cards
i think the first time you get to use it you will quickly understand why it's one of the best cards in my deck rn lmao
thorny plinth
No, I can do math so it won't be needed to convince me
thorny plinth
Yeah it definitely can. I still need to find a cut for gargadon
keen orbit
ever tried [[ jeweled amulet]]?
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Artifact
, : Put a charge counter on this artifact. Note the type of mana spent to pay this activation cost. Activate only if there are no charge counters on this artifact.
, Remove a charge counter from this artifact: Add one mana of this artifact's last noted type.
junior meteor
i love it in most decks, yes
didnt try it in obnix but i could if i wanted to, obviously
keen orbit
lot of them run mog and blood pet to get it out faster
junior meteor
yeah, im not gonna do that though
because again i don't want to win before turn 6
haha
junior meteor
[[Implement of combustion]]
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Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: It deals 1 damage to target player or planeswalker.
When this artifact is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, draw a card.
A dream of fire lies coiled inside, waiting for its glorious awakening.
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junior meteor
Aaaa
thorny plinth
[[mishra's research desk]]
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Artifact
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Exile the top two cards of your library. Choose one of them. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.
Unearth (: Return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step or if it would leave the battlefield. Unearth only as a sorcery.)
thorny plinth
I'm not a fan of it unless I'm very actively knowing the top of my deck
Things in it's favor:
- 1 mana
- unearth of 1R
- until the end of your next turn
- cheap to sacrifice
- can play lands from exile
Things against:
- pick 1
- I'm afraid I will exile two things that can't be played
junior meteor
well, for obnix i would probably be exiling two things i can't play with it anyway
end of my next turn is a lot of leeway though
it's also why i considered [[wrenn's resolve]]
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junior meteor
Gonna do some deckbuilding when I get home, I have some things I wanna look at in Obnix, Jaws, Marchesa, and Dark Leo.
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Long May She Reign! :crown:
junior meteor
Okay, so with Jaws, I want to try out a few cards.
I want to try out [[Doc Ock's Tentacles]] again, I think that card's probably phenomenal.
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever a creature you control with mana value 5 or greater enters, you may attach this Equipment to it.
Equipped creature gets +4/+4.
Equip 
Once powerful tools of science, Dr. Otto Octavius's mechanical arms became his most formidable weapons.
junior meteor
I need a slot for Guild Artisan.
I kinda wanna drop Ojer Axonil for [[Mechanized Warfare]]
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junior meteor
since it's cheaper and easier to keep in play
i wanna find a slot for Hexing Squelcher, Magebane Lizard, and Magda Brazen Outlaw, as well as god damnit Knuckles the Echidna.
Oh, and I wanna find a slot for Casey Jones Back Alley Bruiser
I might just start over from scratch tbh
and like, rebuild as a proper burn combo deck
I also need to find a slot for [[The Ooze]] now that that's out, especially if I'm going the route of Casey Jones, Arcbound Ravager, Tarrian's Soulcleaver, etc.
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Legendary Artifact
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it leaves the battlefield, create a Mutagen token for each +1/+1 counter on it. (A Mutagen token is an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
: Exile target card from a graveyard. Create a Mutagen token.
junior meteor
Okay, I think I'm happy with this 100 + 15
I'm a little sad I cut Casey to the sideboard, but it was inevitable.
Some major changes include:
- I'm running Lithobraking now. It might come out for Casey if I feel my removal suite is too heavy, but I'm playing a very aggressive build and Lithobraking is a great way to both hit my land drops consistently and get a boardwipe.
- I've finally put Ingenious Artillerist in the list. I have a feeling it will die to Gut Shot a lot.
- I swapped out Slobad for Arcbound Ravager. It's an artifact for Weapons Manufacturing. Yeah, that's really why.
- We put in Doc Ock's Tentacles, Vexing Bauble, Pyrite Spellbomb, and The Ooze. They're just all great cards that work well with this commander.
- I took out Descent into Avernus and Ojer Axonil for Guild Artisan and Mechanized Warfare. Again, things that are cheaper or help my opponents less, but help me just as much if not more.
junior meteor
Not much of a change. Spellseeker is in. I want to try it out, and see if I like it or Flamehold more. I also removed Fable of the Mirror Breaker to put it in.
No new cards from TMNT. The set's way too legendary-heavy for Satya.
junior meteor
I got a weird thing here @thorny plinth @dapper mortar i kinda want your opinion:
I've been playing Obnix and I really enjoy him but I would like a slightly more interactive game. I can be really interactive in Obnix but it is harder. I was looking at other, similar decks, and I know Prosper is an option that can play a bit more interactively. @tawny zephyr @soft sinew
Any other options in a similar vein that might work? I'm not too attached to Rakdos but I do like having access to Deflecting Swat and a strong win condition alongside my interaction. Maybe one of you has a consideration?
thorny plinth
So you're looking for a different commander?
junior meteor
Yeah, potentially going into something with a different commander for a different build.
thorny plinth
What are the parts of Ob you want to "keep"?
junior meteor
I really enjoy having that card draw in the zone, but it has been hard a few times to really interact.
thorny plinth
So where it's able to replace itself in general?
Since Ob lets you chain through your deck depending
junior meteor
Yeah, I'm not necessarily looking to have that level of card draw because I know literally zero commanders other than him do
thorny plinth
I've really enjoyed [[rocco, street chef]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
At the beginning of your end step, each player exiles the top card of their library. Until your next end step, each player may play the card they exiled this way.
Whenever a player plays a land from exile or casts a spell from exile, you put a +1/+1 counter on target creature and create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
2/4
junior meteor
I've tried Rocco, and I might try him again now that Ninja Pizza is a card I can play and search
thorny plinth
You have those and both the cabbage merchants
junior meteor
yeah
thorny plinth
Also never underestimate the power of their trigger being a crime
junior meteor
the card draw is a lot lower but like, grinding station is a card they printed for a reason
thorny plinth
So you get like [[generous patron]] or [[freestrider lookout]]
junior meteor
if i really want to see cards i can just turn food into 2 cards in grave, etc.
junior meteor
oh, and i get access to Sarinth Steelseeker
thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
which is a card i've been really high on
thorny plinth
It's one of my favorite cards
junior meteor
yeah, lemme try to build something rq
might not be able to do it fast, meeting at work today, so it might end up being after work
we'll see where i end up, idk what im winning with in naya
i legitimately dont know any wincons in those colors
thorny plinth
Mine's a food chain deck
But there's just generally like, artifact impact tremors effects
There's the food overruns [[night of sweet's revenge]]
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Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
Foods you control have ": Add 
."
, Sacrifice this enchantment: Creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of Foods you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
junior meteor
or ragost vending machine grinding station
i think that one works right
and if im already on grinding station for draw i might as well
thorny plinth
[[liara portyr]] has been very good for me fwiw
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you attack, spells you cast from exile this turn cost 
less to cast, where X is the number of players being attacked. Exile the top X cards of your library. Until end of turn, you may cast spells from among those exiled cards.
"It's a ghoul-eat-you world out there. Follow my orders if you want to survive."
5/3
thorny plinth
She's kind of like tymna here
junior meteor
trying to think what i need to start playing the game in rocco
i am probably on [[stridehangar automaton]]
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thorny plinth
I'm not just because I ran out of them.
thorny plinth
[[appa, steadfast]] has seemed good fwiw
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Legendary Creature — Bison Ally
Flash
Flying
When Appa enters, airbend any number of other target nonland permanents you control. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Whenever you cast a spell from exile, create a 1/1 white Ally creature token.
3/4
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Enchantment
Foods you control have ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color."
At the beginning of your second main phase, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
The pizza that vanishes quickly without a trace.
junior meteor
is actually just a ton of mana in this deck
i can probably do quite a bit with just that
really the problem's gonna be card draw more than mana
idk how comfy i am with grinding station as my draw engine it's been a while since i've played like that
i have 3 GCs, i could just be on a ring
thorny plinth
My non-burst draw in the deck is: manufactor, breya's apprentice, kutzil, peregrin took, bennie, liara, annie,
junior meteor
problem with took is in b3 i can't include it AND vending machine
which sucks quite a bit
junior meteor
they're a 2 card infinite draw
yeah
and with ninja pizza it becomes 3 card infinite draw and mana?
thorny plinth
And that's before you include like [[gourmand's talent]]
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
During your turn, artifacts you control are Foods in addition to their other types and have ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life."
: Level 2
Whenever you gain life for the first time each turn, create a 3/3 green Raccoon creature token.
: Level 3
Whenever you gain life for the first time each turn, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
junior meteor
yeah
i wasnt super clear but the way you do the card draw engine with grinding station is [[samwise gamgee]] as long as you've got anything that makes another token when a food token enters
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
Sacrifice three Foods: Return target historic card from your graveyard to your hand. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
2/2
junior meteor
so you just grinding station your deck and use him to pick up the artifacts you need to win
thorny plinth
FWIW I know how it works
junior meteor
oh ok
thorny plinth
I've got grinding station decks 😅
junior meteor
i just wanted to be clear in case anyone who pops in is like "how are you using grinding station for draw"
3 foods is also basically nothing, especially if you already have vending machine out
so having the full setup is pointless, you can just grinding station to try to draw into ragost
or not pointless but unnecessary for samwise to work
hmm, maybe
i've already started building this to be noninteractive and i don't love that
dapper mortar
If you want something interactive but draws a ton of cards I have a lot of recommendations
And I'mma be so real with you
You should give bumbleflower a try
She is such a powerful control commander
Bonus points because it makes [[avatar's wrath]] insanely good
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Sorcery
Choose up to one target creature, then airbend all other creatures. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Until your next turn, your opponents can't cast spells from anywhere other than their hands.
Exile Avatar's Wrath.
dapper mortar
And btw, I slotted it into bumble and the first itme I cast it I won
thorny plinth
being slept on like crazy
People don't like that it can be fizzled if the target is removed
It's still being slept on, but I can understand it
junior meteor
i just dont target anything
junior meteor
most of the decks i play i want that ETB effect anyway
people are greedy, and avatar's wrath does not pay off if you greed
should just play it as a wrath, the extra value is for if all of your opponents are tapped out
maybe this is just a situation where i should just wait for marvel to come out to play bruce banner
because he does do the things i want
thorny plinth
Possibly
junior meteor
Bumbleflower is an option, but I don't love being in bant
One of the things I've always found difficult in bant is closing games, it's why I don't play stuff like Chulane
even though again I think I would probably enjoy Chulane gameplay, I love to twiddle
but actually winning on bant looks a lot like resolving abhorrent oculus or hitting people with creatures with +1/+1 counters
tawny zephyr
I think you'd like these lists I put together pell
Rafiq Most Recent
https://moxfield.com/decks/mWtEM1xuQUKP7lTFZApp1A
Clue Kindred
https://moxfield.com/decks/0Edul3New0miiJo3TFXwjA
Bant Curiosity
https://moxfield.com/decks/sldGkuvDekurzPCdXEoApQ
Dark Bant Curiosity
https://moxfield.com/decks/mjaNs70mNUyMZf9FZa-37w
Not Quite Tiny Leaders
https://moxfield.com/decks/JZwxuyiMAUGw9GC06cYOzA
They're mostly all combat damage focused lists with Lab Man backups. They are technically all just theoretical lists, I haven't put any of them together in paper but I have goldfished them on moxfield a number of times
To the Power of Two was put together slightly before I went hard no tutors which is why it's still got fetches, and I never actually figured out the lands for SIHYLCA, but I think you get the point
junior meteor
I'll take a look, thanks.
dapper mortar
One of the things I've always found difficult in bant is closing games, it's why...
So
She puts counters on creatures
It’s pretty effective at killing people
junior meteor
Not usually going to be enough to cut it at the tables I play with, I think. I need to have some way to actually win that doesn't involve me punching through Field of the Dead tokens for the rest of my mortal life.
I pretty consistently play against an Omnath main.
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junior meteor
They don't, that's true. My other big concern is giving other players cards feels like I'm going to get my ass kicked for free unless I cast exactly two
thorny plinth
[[!alania, divergent]]
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dapper mortar
They don't, that's true. My other big concern is giving other players cards feel...
Two removal spells and they replace themselves?
icy lodge
You could always run stuff like [[scrawling crawler]] so the draws at least hits them
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dapper mortar
i needs to be two, that's really the concern
It’s really not terribly hard from experience, plus you run stuff that benefits from giving them cards like Unagi of Kyoshi Island or Faerie Mastermind etc
icy lodge
Or [[Tataru Taru]] so it’s treasure generation
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dapper mortar
I do run tataru
junior meteor
it is a decent tithe deck at least
oh wait actually this might be the best windfall deck of all time
dapper mortar
It’s an insane tithe deck
https://moxfield.com/decks/yfGqcmk0JESDFwpxlseQgg
this is my current significantly lower powered version of some of the bumbles I’ve built
junior meteor
i give some dork who's behind me in prio order and thus is down on their luck 2 cards, i draw two cards but the second spell i cast was a windfall so we immediately convert it to drawing myself a million cards and getting 33 treasures
dapper mortar
The Heliod is insane
junior meteor
oh wait i lied
this is the 2nd best windfall deck of all time
the best one is probably actually just heliod itself
but still, not a bad 2nd
and i get green
what do i even get in green i care about
i get 1 mana tamiyo
with the only concern being that she WILL be flipping whether i like it or not
junior meteor
i get access to veil of summer
dapper mortar
Green ramp generally, seedborn muse
junior meteor
choke, too
although i probably don't want to choke
hmm
wait i can theoretically breakfast in these colors
i would never do that to someone but i could
hmm, maybe rabit
dapper mortar
although i probably don't want to choke
Only if they consent to it
dapper mortar
wait i can theoretically breakfast in these colors
So the best card in the deck before it got banned was Nadu
junior meteor
and thus [[choke]] bad
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dapper mortar
Now we have [[freestrider lookout]]
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dapper mortar
Yeah Choke ain’t ideal
dapper mortar
Oh yeah true
But yeah i have a few bumble lists I have really enjoyed
One of which was too good
For my pods that is
dapper mortar
Yeah
The first decklist I linked is nearly accurate down to the printing in paper
Masterpiece sol ring, raised foil bumble, full set of ZNR expedition shocks and fetches, etc
thorny plinth
the deck for choke is still [[xolatoyac]]
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Long May She Reign! :crown:
junior meteor
i do wanna try out Vaan and an extra scout/pirate/rogue at some point, not sure what I'd put in that slot
maybe if he goes in tinybones also goes in
oh, wait, actually brazen borrower
[[vaan street thief]]
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junior meteor
i am convinced this is very close to being good enough
but i think if i do this i also probably put in facebreaker
and go a bit heavier midrange
terse hedge
is this a spellslinger deck?
junior meteor
For the most part, yeah.
It's a deck I've been playing for a while so it kinda shifts as time shifts.
sometimes it's reanimator, sometimes it's midrange, sometimes it's spellslinger, sometimes it's dedicated storm, and usually it's kinda inbetween
terse hedge
right
kind of like my ur-dragon deck
changes when I feel like it, it's aristocrat/combo atm
probably stay like that for a while
junior meteor
fixed the sideboard so when i order my proxies i actually have everything i need
silent girderBOT
Long May She Reign! :crown:
junior meteor
oh i need to put stormsplitter in marchy's sideboard
i forgot it when i put the midrange cards in there
thorny plinth
Either Jyoti or Jaws make sense to push up to a 4
junior meteor
Satya could be a cEDH deck if I tried
thorny plinth
I keep wanting to put vault in Jaws and keep not doing it
junior meteor
that's my thing
i've deliberately kneecapped that deck a lot just to fit it into b3 because i love satya
but the same is said with jyoti
as it is a food chain deck without the food chainers
thorny plinth
I just now thought about how Jyoti just, can mill opponents out with food chain
junior meteor
correct
ruin crab is actually in the list right now im pretty sure
if not it should be
junior meteor
I'm gonna be real I actually don't know how to put Jaws to bracket 4
it's probably just extra fast mana and different removal, a few fewer lands, and down a couple of the creatures?
thorny plinth
Fast mana, blood moons, mld
That sort of thing
One thing I found with Jaws is the point of the moon is about allowing yourself to accelerate while it stalls others out
junior meteor
junior meteor
[[spectacular showdown]]
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Sorcery
Put a double strike counter on target creature, then goad each creature that had a double strike counter put on it this way. (Until your next turn, those creatures attack each combat if able and attack a player other than you if able.)
Overload 
(You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
junior meteor
cheaper source of doublestrike than one of the 3-mana ones i am running
junior meteor
Okay, current rebuild. I kept it Bracket 3, b4 felt weird.
I need opinions if anyone's willing to give them. I feel weird not having either Slobad OR Gargadon, but at the same time I kinda just want something that provides something a bit more, which is why we have Magebane Lizard. I'd like another creature or two, not sure where they go or what they look like.
I also don't have Treasonous Ogre because I felt it was too all-in on turbo and drew a lot of hate in a way I was uncomfortable with.
I FORGOT BIRGI.
momentarily i lived in a world where birgi, god of storytelling, did not exist
sorry i saw you typing Rouge and then remembered
I do have a weird thing, it might be better for me to run Twinferno over Temur Battle Rage in this since Jaws has trample already
and by might i mean it is almost definitely objectively better
junior meteor
very good input
slobad is good, can sacrifice a blood to make kci unkillable
(or more likely tarrian's soulcleaver)
thorny plinth
So, one card I've been thinking about for Jaws is [[smoke bomb]]
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junior meteor
i think that is reasonable
junior meteor
it's also just good protection, i dont really care about the back half much
but it is flash protection for jaws
thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
i might be off echoing ruin
i really cant even afford to be, i do need the sac outlet but im running out of slots and i got 10 fuckin sorceries
thorny plinth
[[Echoing ruin]]
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junior meteor
yeah, it's targeted artifact removal or kills all my blood tokens at once
thorny plinth
I don't think it's worth it
junior meteor
i think most of my sorceries are non-negotiable, the only ones that i'm ? on are Gamble and Echoing Ruin, and I'm trying to test Gamble over Ancient Tomb rn
thorny plinth
It's good, but there are better?
junior meteor
i think if it wasn't a sorcery i'd be more willing to keep it
even though i think having 2 mana win the game sometimes is pretty solid
and i really miss having Hedron Detonator
thorny plinth
You could be using [[Hammer mage]]
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Creature — Human Spellshaper
, , Discard a card: Destroy all artifacts with mana value X or less.
When he's holding the hammers, everything looks like a nail.
1/1
junior meteor
i could but won't, if i specifically wanna blow up my own i'd be on [[slobad goblin tinkerer]]
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junior meteor
1 toughness is rough around here
idk what it'll be like when i move but 1 toughness is rough here
or even like
actual literal [[atog]]
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thorny plinth
I thought about [[krark clan shaman]]
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junior meteor
yeah, not a terrible idea, it does kill a couple of my things but also it doesn't kill most of the important stuff, and clearing the board of dorks is huge
and with that i dont really care what its toughness is because it's never surviving
thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
it might go in over [[lithobraking]] im not sure
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Instant
Create a Lander token. Then you may sacrifice an artifact. When you do, Lithobraking deals 2 damage to each creature. (A Lander token is an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.")
A Kav landing —Sotheran expression meaning "a bad time"
junior meteor
i like lithobraking a lot
thorny plinth
The [[crypt rat]] scenario
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Creature — Rat
: This creature deals X damage to each creature and each player. Spend only black mana on X.
"Shoo, you little worm tails—go away! My corpses aren't your dinner!" —Ghoulcaller Gisa
1/1
junior meteor
lithobraking specifically only ever deals 2 and is 3 mana but it makes a lander
thorny plinth
Yep, I know it well
junior meteor
yeah mostly me trying to justify to myself
short flare
I think slobad is so fucking annoying to interact vs
junior meteor
yeah that's kinda why i wanna run it
not because i hate other people but because it's really good
tranquil onyx
I agree with Slobad as an inclusion. He accomplishes a lot.
Thoughts on [[reckless handling]] in that sorcery slot?
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junior meteor
Thoughts on [[reckless handling]] in that sorcery slot?
I really didn't like Reckless Handling here, I simply don't have enough ways to get things back, but I think if you're on the more creature-heavy build and thus on welder+engineer as bodies, you actually might really like Reckless Handling.
I'm just pretty low on total bodies, I had to include Goldhound just to get the count up, and I think Engineer is worse in this build than it would be in a build with Zada.
Engineer does go really hard when you can just run Lavaleaper and a bunch of copies of Ancestor's Aid though
tranquil onyx
I really didn't like Reckless Handling here, I simply don't have enough ways to ...
That makes sense. I checked on recursion sources and I could see you only had a handful. Figured it was borderline really, but it is a second gamble half the time so I asked.
junior meteor
Yeah, I do actually think "second gamble but only for the artifacts" is reasonable but because of how valuable something like Soulcleaver or Ooze or KCI are, I'm never actually gambling for them, I'm gambling for like, Urza's Saga or a wheel a lot.
I'll give it a second shot at some point because the build I was playing it in was worse, this one gets more value out of Ruby Medallion so it's possible it's better here
tranquil onyx
That all makes sense to me
junior meteor
Was looking at lists on EDHTop16 to see if there's anything I've missed and this one guy's built... something, i think
they put krark-clan grunt in but no slobad or dargo
they did include atog though
also this list has [[Stensia Uprising]]
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junior meteor
i know they're on the creature build but i think this card is maybe not it
i do think [[scytheclaw raptor]] is kinda 👀
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junior meteor
ooh, this other guy's on [[pulverize]] and no meltdown
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junior meteor
i think that's very spicy
guy obviously, since he's building for cEDH and not a lower bracket, is running the [[Zhao the Moon Slayer]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Menace
Nonbasic lands enter tapped.
: Put a conqueror counter on Zhao.
As long as Zhao has a conqueror counter on him, nonbasic lands are Mountains. (They lose all other land types and abilities and have ": Add .")
2/2
junior meteor
blood moon's in their deck too but i do really wish i could just run this card and never activate it, the passive is good enough
thorny plinth
I mean you can. I'm plannjng to. I just haven't been able to focus out of feeling like a failure because of a medication issue
thorny plinth
ADHD med wasn't working. Had to get through the prescription 🙃 👍
Are you just trying to stay in b3?
junior meteor
I think I'm leaving it in b3
and I'll put Zhao in, tell people about it, and if they aren't down I'll have something to swap it for
Thinking about, potentially, [[Skittering Precursor]]
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Menace
Whenever you sacrifice a nontoken permanent, create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this token: Add 
."
It pushes ahead, eliminating lookouts and tactically sowing spawn.
3/3
junior meteor
This has been seeing a lot of play elsewhere and this is kind of a deck that wants what it does, but I'm not sure I'm all the way there on it.
I think if I'm on Precursor, I'm probably a little higher on artifacts that sac themselves and also on Goldhound and maybe skirk prospector
im already on:
mishra's bauble
urza's bauble
pyrite spellbomb
vexing bauble
... and potentially fury
also, i think if i go with skittering precursor i'm probably not on zhao because i'd want to be on fetchlands?
junior meteor
I've also seen a bunch of Jaws players on [[Razorkin Needlehead]]
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junior meteor
and I don't know if this is actually good or not here
junior meteor
i do a lot of damage, but obviously more damage gets me closer to lethal
[[Herigast]] was another card I wanted to try, as well as [[ghostfire slice]] and [[glimpse the impossible]]
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Legendary Creature — Eldrazi Dragon
Emerge 
(You may cast this spell by sacrificing a creature and paying the emerge cost reduced by that creature's mana value.)
When you cast this spell, you may exile your hand. If you do, draw three cards.
Flying
Each creature spell you cast has emerge. The emerge cost is equal to its mana cost.
6/6
Instant
Devoid (This card has no color.)
This spell costs less to cast if an opponent controls a multicolored permanent.
Ghostfire Slice deals 4 damage to any target.
Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it won't hurt.
Sorcery
Exile the top three cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn. At the beginning of the next end step, if any of those cards remain exiled, put them into your graveyard, then create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token for each card put into your graveyard this way. Those tokens have "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
Gisela beheld true divinity, and was humbled.
junior meteor
basically i am also in the group of people realizing that maybe more cards from mh3 than i thought are good in just everything
because it was an unbalanced mess of a set
so if it looks good we're trying it generally
@outer parcel can you think of any artifacts im not running that sac themselves and would be solid before i start adding in my instant speed interaction:
I'd like to be on a few more artifacts and those will probably be like, twin blades, improvised arsenal, idol of oblivion
i forgot to put ruby medallion in
outer parcel
For Jaws, yeah?
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Artifact
When this artifact enters or is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
To the cultists, the sacred idol was priceless. To the adventurers, it was worth about two sturdy mules and a barrel of ale.
outer parcel
Any plans on welding?
junior meteor
i have no welder or engineer
i am on a VERY tight creature package
the only other thing that might go in this build is Skittering Precursor, depending on how my permanents look
oh, and i've been considering [[moonsilver key]]
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Artifact
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Search your library for an artifact card with a mana ability or a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
To restore the day-night balance, the Celestus mechanism's Sungold Lock must be reunited with its long-lost key.
outer parcel
Hmm
junior meteor
because it grabs KCI or goldhound
outer parcel
You could use [[!ratchet bomb]]
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outer parcel
Half interaction, half a "sac outlet" for blood
junior meteor
ratchet bomb seems pretty reasonable, it does just blow up all my tokens
yeah
oh, and of course if im doing that
[[engineered explosives]] actually?
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Artifact
Sunburst (This artifact enters with a charge counter on it for each color of mana spent to cast it.)
, Sacrifice this artifact: Destroy each nonland permanent with mana value equal to the number of charge counters on this artifact.
junior meteor
just treasures but i make a lot of them
outer parcel
Oh then yeah
outer parcel
Command tower would just be mono red
outer parcel
But should be included for style points
junior meteor
like im on very little in the way of nonbasic lands
rn it's barb ring, command beacon, inventors' fair, mines of moria, sandstone needle (SOL LAND ALERT), and urza's saga
so if it's not a mountain it sacs itself or makes something that does
which is why im thinking about going down 5 snow mountains and playing fetches + [[skittering precursor]]
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Menace
Whenever you sacrifice a nontoken permanent, create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
It pushes ahead, eliminating lookouts and tactically sowing spawn.
3/3
outer parcel
You make a lot of tokens I take it?
junior meteor
i make at least 5 a turn from the turn i play jaws
outer parcel
Could add [[!tangle wire]]
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junior meteor
oh fuck, tanglewire is hot here
outer parcel
Helps shark see red, then pays off him biting people
junior meteor
yeah, it makes it WAY easier to actually hit
bc nobody's tapping their lands for this lmao
that's kinda why [[j jonah jameson]] made it in, too
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junior meteor
not just for treasure gen but because it gives the shark menace
outer parcel
I still need to play him
junior meteor
this card overperforms in this deck HARD
outer parcel
Just havent actually stuck it in any deck
junior meteor
he's no facebreaker but in this he's pretty close
like, worst case scenario he menaces himself and he's a mana dork
crazy as a downside
but also, this deck just happens to have a bunch of menace incidentally
outer parcel
Not the asked question, but you could run [[!treasure vault]]
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junior meteor
(it's why i started running goldhound)
i could probably get away with treasure vault, it probably goes crazy in long games
outer parcel
Feed all your treasures to make more treasures, which you then feed into other stuff
junior meteor
just gotta be careful with meltdown specifically
outer parcel
Burst closer late game
outer parcel
Literally yeah
junior meteor
i am only running 1 damage modifier atm
but still
you put [[mechanized warfare]] in and you go insane?
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outer parcel
[[!jaws relentless]]
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junior meteor
yeah, very specifically noncreature
if it was creature i'd have some other stuff in
gingerbrute probably makes it in at that point, even
or the artifact goblin
[[sarpadian simulacrum]]
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Artifact Creature — Goblin
Haste
, Sacrifice this creature: It deals 4 damage to target creature.
Built to be super soldiers, the goblins preferred just being super destructive.
1/1
outer parcel
[[!grinding station]] is a maybe but you gotta really want the mill somewhere
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junior meteor
yeah, and i dont have anything i cast from grave with
i dont even run will of the jeskai anymore
i'm on "snort"
this is a burn deck and that card burns my opponents
i also considered wheel of misfortune
and getting REALLY good at wheel of misfortune
oh, here's a question, not to distract
do you think twinshot sniper is justifiable here
as a source of noninteractable interaction
outer parcel
I can't think of more on the artifact end that doesnt involve taking a turn off
junior meteor
yeah
outer parcel
and getting REALLY good at wheel of misfortune
Love that
Wheel is one of my favorites
junior meteor
i think getting very good at wheel of misfortune pays off for jaws a lot
because 1) i don't use my life total
so even if i fuck up and bid too high i dont care
and 2) i want my opponents to take damage
outer parcel
Oh, unrelated but since you got me on it
I have started working on Mr Negative
junior meteor
OOH HELL YEAH
outer parcel
I realized something silly, it can be a [[!wound reflection]] deck with any sort of panharmonicon
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outer parcel
Difference needs to be half up or down and you can always get a knockout on etb, so you never need to be proactive with life totals
Just gain life and interact
But I digress
What are your creatures like?
outer parcel
[[!weft ardent]]
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outer parcel
Oh that guy
outer parcel
Never learned his name
junior meteor
but im on the ones with 2 toughness or more
outer parcel
Slobad is a fun include
junior meteor
slobad is not just fun, it's fucking irritating
you know how much it sucks to play into a vexing bauble and i can protect it with slobad
outer parcel
I love slobad. IQ too high
junior meteor
me too
im huge on him in this actually
it protects KCI, it protects my medallions
welding jar could do one but not multiple
and the other options for creature-based sac outlets are literally atogs
Atog, Krark-Clan whatever, Ravenous Intruder, etc.
and i dont super care for atog
there's also obviously Krark-Clan Shaman but I don't super care for that guy
although i think he's a really nice cheap boardwipe
i'm still not huge on Knuckles the Echidna, I know he's good I just hate the art
the issue is he's so good in this that not running him is kinda griefing
and im off of treasonous ogre for now because i think he draws too much hate
the moment i drop ogre people are like "oh your life total matters"
and then dome me with shit that doesnt even matter
which i cannot fault
OKAY
i have a 103 card list, i need 3 cuts
i lied im at 104 i forgot to actually put engineered explosives in
i really like strike it rich but i might just not have the room for it in this list
oh, here's a thing actually
are the proper fetches better or worse than the mob hideouts
[[cabaretti courtyard]]
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Land — Cave
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonbasic land an opponent controls. That player may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. You create a Treasure token.
junior meteor
and if i dont like treasure vault i might try this instead
alright, i got it down to 100
tranquil onyx
<@296322523090386954> can you think of any artifacts im not running that sac the...
[[mouser foundry]]?
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Artifact
When this artifact enters or leaves the battlefield, create a 1/1 colorless Robot artifact creature token.
, Sacrifice this artifact: It deals 3 damage to target creature.
"Hmmm . . . How many should I send? Three? Five? Ten, maybe!" —Baxter Stockman
junior meteor
[[mouser foundry]]?
I am gonna test this, but because Jaws doesn't care about creatures it is a little rough i think
I do wanna try Prized Statue over Strike It Rich maybe
tranquil onyx
mmm, true it has to be noncreature
junior meteor
[[strike it rich]] vs [[prized statue]]
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Sorcery
Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
A few coins soon grow into an obsession.
Artifact
When this artifact enters or is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
To the cultists, the sacred idol was priceless. To the adventurers, it was worth about two sturdy mules and a barrel of ale.
junior meteor
upfront strike it rich kinda goated but total value on statue is crazy
junior meteor
mmm, true it has to be noncreature
i don't think it's bad being clear, i do wanna test it in one of the zada builds at some point if i ever go back, but i do think with me focusing more on the burn damage it's harder to justify
tranquil onyx
yeah i like the card in other things but you're right that here might not be the place
junior meteor
i think in red it's just outright better than servo schematic
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Creature — Goblin Warrior
Echo (At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost.)
When this creature enters or dies, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token.
1/1
junior meteor
worse creature type but 
spectacular is goldfishing really well
really big fan of that addition, i didnt even know it existed lmao
junior meteor
FUCK I FORGOT [[EXPERIMENTAL SYNTHESIZER]]
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Artifact
When this artifact enters or leaves the battlefield, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Create a 2/2 white Samurai creature token with vigilance. Activate only as a sorcery.
junior meteor
i have been made privy to a third jaws build
previously i thought it was just:
turbo burn w/ treasonous ogre and doublestrike enablers
sac synergy w/ evendo brushrazer
goblins/creatures w/ zada
but someone has shown me the way of playing [[masticore]] in 2026 in an EDH list
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Artifact Creature — Masticore
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this creature unless you discard a card.
: This creature deals 1 damage to target creature.
: Regenerate this creature.
4/4
junior meteor
it's just discard synergy using blood tokens and you search out crime novelist ASAP
thorny plinth
Yeah, I'm surprised they went with that masticore
I'm guessing because of the ping and it being one less than [[Argentum Masticore]]
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junior meteor
i am back on my bullshit
i simply cannot be allowed to play decks like this
i was showed [[edgar king of figaro]] and immediately was like "man that'd go crazy in lavinia"
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junior meteor
6 mana draw 10 is kinda 👀
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Legendary Creature — Human Detective
Vigilance
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
: Add . Activate only during an opponent's turn.
2/3
junior meteor
oh a very draw-go
short flare
draw-go-p-o
junior meteor
those 17 creatures are getting trimmed a lot
i will be lucky if im on like 12 once im done building
short flare
Sweet
junior meteor
i'm looking at ~30 instants
short flare
Real dedication is 9 or less
junior meteor
i loved this deck when i played it before
it was my baby
but people got really tired of it so i scrapped it for something more proactive
short flare
Are you on blind obedience type effects?
terse hedge
Interesting commander
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has haste.
At the beginning of each combat, untap equipped creature.
Equipped creature has first strike as long as it's blocking or blocked by a Goblin or Orc.
Equip
junior meteor
makes her really hard to deal with
junior meteor
going up 8 mana every turn cycle is a lot
short flare
By the way
junior meteor
it's colorless but like, i don't care because you just play shit like [[unwind]]
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short flare
I feel like this card would make more sense if it untapped your creature when you get attacked, instead of at the beginning of combat
junior meteor
probably but hey, im not complaining
short flare
Same
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junior meteor
yeah it's rewind
you just play the most obnoxious drawgo stuff you can because there's no downside to playing a lot of the higher CMC counterspells when you discount them by 2
hell, even [[katara's reversal]] is like, pretty reasonable, although i think i'd prefer other things
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terse hedge
Reminds me of my old mono blue combo/draw go deck
junior meteor
you dont need to run expensive stuff but you can
terse hedge
With that one Neo Kamigawa dragon as commander
short flare
snap
junior meteor
snap's in the deck too yeah
now, previously, my wincon was lower-power because i was building it for tables that couldn't really deal with bigger wincons
for this though i think emrakul+hullbreaker and grinding station are pretty reasonable
i have every source of improvise, so inspiring statuary typically means a free emrakul
i could also run metalwork colossus with my grinding station to do gross shit
i dont remember the loop for that one offhand though
you kinda just need "artifacts i drew this game" + sojourner's companion to turn it on
terse hedge
i dont remember the loop for that one offhand though
You'd probably need a third card and/or trawler
junior meteor
you do need a third card but i dont remember what it is
oh and then of course there's always approach, or officious interrogation + mechanized production
nobody is ever, ever going to let you get off the mechanized production combo
but officious makes it real fuckin easy
terse hedge
but officious makes it real fuckin easy
Oh neat, a call the coppercoats but for clue tokens
junior meteor
yeah
it's really cool, and this deck uses it really well
because again i basically never crack clues except to spend them into tamiyo's journal, it's all for affinity
terse hedge
I'm going to add that to Lurrus
junior meteor
oh
terse hedge
Because Lurrus is companion
junior meteor
you're just using lurrus as companion ok
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Legendary Artifact
Colorless creatures you control get +2/+2.
Whenever you tap a permanent for , add an additional .
Whenever you cast a colorless spell, you gain 2 life.
"We shall forever roam." —Ayli, high priest of the Eternal Pilgrims
junior meteor
this wasn't out when i played the deck before
it's pretty expensive and i don't really have mana on my turn, but 1 extra mana per lavinia tap is like, pretty good
terse hedge
Its alright from my playtesting of it in previous decks I've built, but it's a bit of a removal magnet
Cause of random infinites it causes
junior meteor
other text on it seems mediocre
oh i definitely don't have basalt in here or whatever
so thankfully that's not an issue
terse hedge
Do you have a list perchance?
junior meteor
not a completed one, i had the old list but it's pretty outdated now
it's from ~6 months post-MKM release
this is the WIP
terse hedge
Counterbalance + divining top is pretty funny
junior meteor
yeah countertop is a classic
terse hedge
Ye, I just added that to my moonfolk deck, quite a funny combo
Bit of a random question, how much do you care about your 1 cmc artifacts?
junior meteor
a lot, [[tezzeret cruel captain]]
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terse hedge
Have you considered Oswald?
junior meteor
specifically the enigma jewel is theoretically a combo piece
oswald was in the previous build but it was more focused on actually playing artifacts
he could probably be fine here
terse hedge
Cause you could do stuff like sac the tokens for the artifacts
I add him randomly to decks that seem to have a lot of 1 cmc artifacts and random token synergies
junior meteor
i'll add it into the list, right now im just piling stuff together while i figure out what im gonna be on
terse hedge
Fair enough
junior meteor
one cool thing with this is last time i played was before mh3
so i now have access to [[eldrazi confluence]], [[kozilek's command]], and [[null elemental blast]]
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Instant
Choose three. You may choose the same mode more than once.
• Target creature gets +3/-3 until end of turn.
• Exile target nonland permanent, then return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control.
• Create a 1/1 colorless Eldrazi Scion creature token with "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
Kindred Instant — Eldrazi
Choose two —
• Target player creates X 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature tokens with "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
• Target player scries X, then draws a card.
• Exile target creature with mana value X or less.
• Exile up to X target cards from graveyards.
junior meteor
oh, and [[emrakul's messenger]]
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Creature — Eldrazi Faerie Rogue
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Flying
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
"Obey her will! Don't be a fool! Submit your mind to Emrakul!"
2/1
junior meteor
which i suspect goes fucking crazy in this deck
terse hedge
I can see it being pretty strong ye
it did well when I had it in my cycling deck, which does similar things to your deck in terms of drawing for 2cmc
junior meteor
i might also be on [[selective obliteration]] for my boardwipe
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junior meteor
hard to say if it's better than the other options
just looking at MH3 cards because that set was unbalanced and fucked up, there's also [[emrakul the world anew]]
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Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
When you cast this spell, gain control of all creatures target player controls.
Flying, protection from spells and from permanents that were cast this turn
When Emrakul leaves the battlefield, sacrifice all creatures you control.
Madness—Pay six .
12/12
terse hedge
do you have an easy way of discarding Emrakul?
I suppose you can just sac enough clues and discard for hand size
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Legendary Creature — Lizard Mutant
, Discard a card: Until end of turn, Mondo Gecko becomes the color of your choice and gains hexproof from that color.
Whenever Mondo Gecko deals combat damage to a player, draw a card for each color among permanents you control.
"Stealth-o-rama, huh? Righteous."
2/3
junior meteor
who generally will be ending up in this deck no matter what
terse hedge
I noticed you added this
junior meteor
anything 2 or more colors probably can use it
terse hedge
I could add this to my sultai deck maybe, it synergizes with necrotic ooze
junior meteor
if i were a little more colorless-heavy i would be able to use [[glaring fleshraker]] as a wincon
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Whenever you cast a colorless spell, create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
Whenever another colorless creature you control enters, this creature deals 1 damage to each opponent.
2/2
junior meteor
terse hedge
another absurd card from that set
junior meteor
yeah it's truly over half of the set is unreasonable bullshit
terse hedge
ye, which means it's a good pickup, chances are I'll get value from whatever I pull
junior meteor
sure but i also don't love looking at a deck and seeing "oops it's just MH3 tribal again"
terse hedge
true
damn, the medallions went up in price again, should have bought them when they were in the $8 range
junior meteor
in this case i don't think it's avoidable, the set just had massive numbers of cards that are great from it
and most of the eldrazi stuff is just good in lavinia because of how she works
terse hedge
true
oh ye, there's that thunder junction land that would be decent in here maybe
although you do already have a ton of draw, so maybe it's not neccessary
junior meteor
idk which one you mean
terse hedge
something vault, hang on
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Land
: Add .
, , Discard a card: Look at the top X cards of your library, where X is the number of artifacts you control. Put one of those cards into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
junior meteor
yeah it goes in
terse hedge
ye that's the one
junior meteor
again, no reason not to run it, it'll typically be a better and reusable copy of dig through time
which im not running now because they made a better card
[[the star charts]]
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Kicker 
(You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Look at the top X cards of your library, where X is the number of lands you control. Put one of those cards into your hand. If this spell was kicked, put two of those cards into your hand instead. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
junior meteor
whoops it's just consult the star charts for 15 no biggie don't worry about it
terse hedge
it's pretty interesting actually, most of my artifact decks are starting to have more land synergy cards due to the amount of lands that are being made to accommodate artifacts
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junior meteor
i dont know if this ends up in the deck but they're both going in this brainstorming
if i go the glaring fleshraker route i'm probably on [[horribly awry]]
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junior meteor
hits most commanders and is generally just a good card
same with [[abstruse inter]]
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Instant
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Counter target spell unless its controller pays . You create a 1/1 colorless Eldrazi Scion creature token. It has "Sacrifice this token: Add ." ( represents colorless mana.)
junior meteor
this one's a little harder to justify because it's just force spike
junior meteor
I think I like this as the final list, the only newer card in here is Hide on the Ceiling but it's a banger
(it does not work during the combo but does protect rusko or take hullbreaker out of the equation when he gets cumbersome, and also removes dgrid)
junior meteor
https://moxfield.com/decks/NFkS38hNUk-Dgd57ng_emQ
@upbeat kiln i thought you might wanna look at this
it's just ANT without the AN
instead of playing ad nauseam i instead play multiple copies of spells that blink a creature because rusko says draw 7 cards on him a lot of the time
i do wanna fit thoracle consult in here as well as a fierce guardianship at some point, just hard to find the space
one of my favorite loops in the deck is displacer kitten tezzeret, because you just get like 6 storm count and 6 counters on your clocks and end up with a bunch of mana
and if you have grinding station out from trophy mage you can put the mox opal/chrome mox/mox diamond/etc. back into the deck to use again
upbeat kiln
Ah, blue artifact shenanigans
Hits me right in the Urza I used to play
junior meteor
i am weirdly not on urza because my artifacts pretty much all tap for mana
with the exception of grinding station and sapphire medallion
all the clocks are +1 mana so something like Essence Flux is neutral on mana for +1 storm count and another timetwister later
you'll also notice i am on both high tide and bubbling muck
tawny zephyr
based
junior meteor
i'm on cloud of faeries
so it seemed natural
sometimes you cloud of faeries displacer kitten to get mana but usually it's just like, i play it and then sac it later to Sacrifice or Culling the Weak or whatever
and then get to reuse it if i redraw it
tawny zephyr
I'm a big fan of the refund/land untappers - [[rewind]] [[unwind | dom]] etc
tawny zephyr
fair nuff
junior meteor
im also on dramatic rev and turnabout
tawny zephyr
based???
tawny zephyr
LOVE a high tide turnabout deck
junior meteor
i can cast it so many times a turn it is pointless to have isochron scepter
i will just lose my copy of dramatic rev
i think during the goldfish i just did i cast dramatic rev 9 times
never saw my copy of tendrils of agony i literally burned them out with [[Rusko Clockmaker]]'s 1 life burn
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tawny zephyr
incredible
junior meteor
i love this stupid clock man
there is a reason you cannot allow me to play this as a real deck
i cannot be trusted
and the worst part is, i play a weirdly good fair game
because i like spells that bounce creatures to hand, because they bounce rusko
obv i would prefer to not play a fair game, the ideal is that i t1 rusko t2 win but
we can't always have what we want
i think fetid pools is gonna be another island or a swamp
just dont love the tapped land
junior meteor
found a way for it to be deterministic i guess, i can go my 4 0-drop artifacts + tezzeret + displacer kitten + grinding station?
the 0-drops dont have to be in play
they just have to not be in the graveyard
this way i make 4 triggers per loop, 3 of which flicker tezzeret 1 of which flickers rusko
that isnt even deterministic, i'd need mana severance
junior meteor
normally after 2 games i would have some sort of card i want to swap out but actually every card in Jaws felt good tonight
i lost both games but game 1 doming Cassie for 18 off of Doc Ock's Tentacles + Spectacular Showdown was an incredible feeling
and if i make it to my turn 6 i probably just win
Doc Ock's Tentacles being fetchable off of Urza's Saga is just disgusting actually
i might need a bit more creature interaction, pyroblast, reb, skred, galvanic, soul immo, pyrite spellbomb, and engineered explosives was very obviously not enough to actually handle creatures
actually Shatterskull felt fucking horrible, it might unironically be better as a basic mountain
Snort felt great, 5 life is a legitimate deterrent from wheeling in this deck
so it was just 4 mana (3 mana with ruby medallion) draw 5
J Jonah Jameson is for sure where I want to be
honestly if anything felt bad it was Reckless Fireweaver because it just kinda wasn't aggressive enough
lucid loom
Snort felt great, 5 life is a legitimate deterrent from wheeling in this deck
Tbf I just gambled on my hand being worth keeping
I should’ve wheeled
I wouldve taken that 5 easily, and frankly shouldn’t
junior meteor
yeah, against this taking the 5 is legitimately pretty dangerous
because i can just output huge numbers in a single turn
but also, sometimes people won't want to wheel and i do need to keep that in mind, snort is not a burn card, it's a draw 5
but sometimes the draw 5 deals 5 damage to people
there's a burn removal spell that's like "deal damage, if it kills deal damage to the controller" that i should probably be on
i might actually be on like, pyrokinesis or something at some point
lucid loom
lol heck yeah
knowing the games we had, I probably play a different deck in game 2
tho the mulligans were far from on my side tonight
seat 4 going down to 6 and not drawing any lands all game was brutal
junior meteor
im pretty sure i should have kept that ragavan hand g2
and just prayed to draw a 2nd land
hand was insane but no 2nd land makes me a little worried since jaws costs 5
junior meteor
seat 4 going down to 6 and not drawing any lands all game was brutal
seat 4 is rough even in casual, people don't really feel it until they start paying attention but it's just such a huge disadvantage
even 3rd seat g2 felt rough because i simply didnt have the mana to do anything until t3
lucid loom
I mean, I had to mull to 6, drew no lands other than my starting 4, and hit none of my ramp
gala greeters is great but it got hit hard by my slow start
junior meteor
yeah
not to mention cassie popped off that game with a really fast opener
g1 was winnable if i had the mana to pop the blood with dargo immediately but i was 1 short
generous plunderer continues to feel incredible because it's a great card
im honestly starting to think it might be worth finding something other than tarrian's soulcleaver to focus on with doc ock's now in the game
tentacles are just so much stronger in the turn it matters
junior meteor
Noting this here too, I think I played poorly in that second game after a night's rest
burning my agni kai and pyroblast so early meant i couldn't actually perform real game actions
i should have, instead, leveraged politicking to try to get in for the full 5 against whoever, and then after hitting agni kai'd the hermit druid to gain 4 mana to pop my inventors' fair to go get The One Ring
from there i'd have been in a much better position to win
but my brain was laser-focused on the idea that anyone who could avoid getting hit by the shark would do so
My strength as a player is and has always been politicking and I don't really know why that stops being the case when I start piloting Jaws
lucid loom
I first thought you were casting powerbalance when you cast agni kai
thorny plinth
My strength as a player is and has always been politicking and I don't really kn...
Because Jaws loses you subtlety
It's very honest in that way. But it has a base level of "I need to hit people" to it
thorny plinth
I still think you're wrong for not having [[tannuk steadfast]] in your list but I'm much more balanced around sneak attack conceptually
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Legendary Creature — Kavu Pilot
Other creatures you control have haste.
Artifact cards and red creature cards in your hand have warp . (You may cast a card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile that permanent at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
"We're a few bones short of a skeleton crew, Sami, but we've got plenty of spine."
3/5
junior meteor
Almost all of my artifacts and creatures cost less than that warp cost
That's really it
I'm really trying to play that hyperaggressive burn game that Jaws wants
@upbeat kiln I think [[embercleave]] is weirdly worse than [[twin blades]] in this, I don't really have a board usually
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Flash
This spell costs less to cast for each attacking creature you control.
When Embercleave enters, attach it to target creature you control.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has double strike and trample.
Equip
Artifact — Equipment
Flash
When this Equipment enters, attach it to target creature you control. That creature gains double strike until end of turn.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
junior meteor
And Jaws already has trample
upbeat kiln
Embercleave’s a hard sell with no board yeah
junior meteor
Honestly it might be Hero's Blade
I kinda hate that
I've also looked at [[Chainsaw]] and running a bit more creature removal
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Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, it deals 3 damage to up to one target creature.
Whenever one or more creatures die, put a rev counter on this Equipment.
Equipped creature gets +X/+0, where X is the number of rev counters on this Equipment.
Equip
upbeat kiln
I like [[lizard blades]] but chainsaw ain’t bad either
Big fan of “equipment isn’t dead with no creatures”
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Artifact Creature — Equipment Lizard
Double strike
Equipped creature has double strike.
Reconfigure (: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
1/1
thorny plinth
There aren't a lot of auto equip that aren't based on type in red
upbeat kiln
Mmhmm
Flash equip tends to be a red thing unless it’s defensive
But even then it’s not super big
thorny plinth
I'm considering [[rafael the nightwatcher]] in my list
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Legendary Creature — Mutant Ninja Turtle
Sneak (You may cast this spell for if you also return an unblocked attacker you control to hand during the declare blockers step. He enters tapped and attacking.)
Attacking creatures you control have double strike.
"Time to punch in."
2/3
thorny plinth
Usually the auto-equip is when the equipment enters. I was talking about in reverse like tentacles or hero's blade
junior meteor
i dont mind when the equip enters either
but obviously doing it like tentacles is WAY better
Lizard Blades is a real option though, I forgot that card existed tbh
it is probably at least better than [[hard-won jitte]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has double strike.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
It was fitting that the most dangerous turtle bore a weapon of peace.
junior meteor
which i have considered
thorny plinth
It has fewer counterspell options for it certainly
junior meteor
yeah, creatures are usually harder to counter
which is why i don't typically worry about jaws getting countered, it's what comes after
i've liked Twinferno and Spectacular Showdown
maybe that slot goes to something that literally just doubles power?
is it [[two-handed axe]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, double its power until end of turn.
Equip
Sweeping Cleave
Instant — Adventure
Target creature you control gains double strike until end of turn. (Then exile this card. You may cast the artifact later from exile.)
junior meteor
surely it is not
this card felt like dogshit when i played it before
or rather, the instant felt great, the back half not so much
thorny plinth
I still keep looking at [[sound of drums]]
junior meteor
there are no equips that do it otherwise, except Junk Jet which I suspect will feel even worse
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature is goaded.
If enchanted creature would deal combat damage to a permanent or player, it deals double that damage instead.
: Return this card from your graveyard to your hand.
thorny plinth
I honestly cut spectacular showdown but it's in my watching list
junior meteor
between j jonah jameson and spectacular showdown
i got to put j jonah jameson on a triton shorestalker from jon irenicus last night
which was hot
thorny plinth
I need to put jjj in my list
junior meteor
you really should
the deck wants a lot of things that just incidentally have menace
thorny plinth
I'm on [[gut true soul]] for one thing
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thorny plinth
Which people never fucking remove for some reason
junior meteor
i might be putting [[goldhound]] back in
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Artifact Creature — Treasure Dog
First strike
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
, Sacrifice this creature: Add one mana of any color.
The staccato clatter of its metal claws on pavement is unmistakable.
1/1
junior meteor
that's where we're at
thorny plinth
And they don't block the skeletons most of the time so they're available later
junior meteor
yeah exactly
similar deal
are you on the zada stuff since you've got a bigger board presence?
thorny plinth
No, I don't have zada in my list
junior meteor
i forgot if we had that convo
thorny plinth
For reference, this is my current list. https://moxfield.com/decks/wvGdujXqD0CSPCQ2IK-aCw
junior meteor
where you can just run goblin recruiter and put gut and zada on top and that alone is enough to win a game if you have [[ancestor's aid]] or whatever
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Instant
Target creature gets +2/+0 and gains first strike until end of turn.
Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"You surface-dwellers may have forgotten your history, but it has not forgotten you." —Akal Pakal, First Steward of Oteclan
thorny plinth
But I'm needing to refresh it because I'm on so many keys I'm going to put vault in
upbeat kiln
[[Leyline axe]] in the opener every game
I have faith in the heart of the cards
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Artifact — Equipment
If this card is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has double strike and trample.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
It awaits a worthy wielder.
thorny plinth
I'm on keys to get jaws out faster and I was on Tezzeret already
junior meteor
oh fair
i mean im also on tezzy but i was doing some gross shit with him where i just immediately ultimate him the turn he comes in
thorny plinth
I've gotten jaws out like t2 or t3?
junior meteor
or use him to go get tentacles
thorny plinth
[[pain for all]] has been fantastic though.
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junior meteor
that seems VERY reasonable
im gonna have to try that one
3 mana 5 damage is like, whatever but it's 3 mana 5 damage and also a burn spell
thorny plinth
It's removal, and while if they block I don't get the blood everyone gets hit in the face
junior meteor
it's a deterrent
either let me get my value or eat lead
i see you're still on chandra's inferno
are you planning to swap to soul immo or nah
thorny plinth
[[soul immolation]]
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junior meteor
specifically just a chandra's that doesnt hit your own board
junior meteor
yeah fair