Rougesareth deck building

[compact trout]

Im not into tap lands

It's probably one of the best self clones available if we specifically value that

[tawdry cave]

it's a bounce-equivalent plus Mairsil reset if we care about that

and can send Mairsil back to command zone if it gets shut down somehow

mana cost is a little high though

[compact trout]

I would probably prefer phantasmal image over the MDFC value

[tawdry cave]

[[phantasmal image]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/89/phantasmal-image

Phantasmal Image <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Illusion
You may have this creature enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it's an Illusion in addition to its other types and it has "When this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it."
0/0

[tawdry cave]

yeah, the flexibility for copying opponent's creature is nice

[compact trout]

Plus 3 is 50% more than 2

[tawdry cave]

Cut two lands for Disk and Fact or Fiction

Riptide Laboratory is not really pulling weight so I cut that, and then a basic Island

I may add one land back, but it won't be Riptide

I think Riptide is not good because it's colorless

we're not activating the ability often enough to make it worthwhile, since the ability is three mana

also Sage of Hours did not feel great to draw since it only combos with Anthroplasm and is useless on its own

it would combo with Endling and sac outlet if we actually had ETB/LTB stuff but we don't

at most we can make infinite mana with a haste source and Gilded Lotus or another mana generator, but that's four cards for a non-win

however being a two-card combo is a strength

I think all our other combos are three-card?

I think Anthroplasm may be the worse out of the two in terms of finding a combo for it, and it's hardly any better to hardcast than Sage of Hours

if you can find some other source of five +1/+1 counters per turn then that would be nice

[tawdry cave]

it's not a real win condition in itself with infinite mana because we have no evasion

aside from like Aetherling

Galecaster Colossus is really great though

Sensei's Divining Top is pretty neat

I decided to just type that I was activating top on other players' turns so that people didn't have to wait for me to use it

because it is kind of slow

I've found myself using the Endling/sac outlet/ballista combo the most

I've won three games with it out of four or five I think

might just be luck of the draw

I do think we may need more robust alternate combo lines to deal with sacrifice/graveyard hate

our current options are Sage of Hours + Anthroplasm, Hateflayer/Dreadsire + untapper + Quicksilver/maybe Mirror, Galecaster + untapper + Quicksilver kind of (can stall the game with it), Nevinyrral's Disk + Aetherling (meaner version of Galecaster lol), Anthroplasm + infinite mana + Aetherling (three turns)

Hateflayer is the only one I've actually won with, and I think you'll note that aside from Sage of Hours/Anthroplasm which has no redundancy whatsoever and might not win in certain situations, Endling/Ballista is the only combo that wins on the spot

[compact trout]

In my goldfishing I found myself choosing to go for ending over sage as well

[tawdry cave]

so that probably explains why I've been mostly winning with Endling

[compact trout]

It feels safer by a mile to me

I just couldn't imagine the sage lines being practical, and we're so tutor dense I always was like "I have enough to go for the safer line"

[tawdry cave]

yeah, our best tutors (Gifts Ungiven and Intuition) can grab three pieces anyway

[compact trout]

It's like a bait turbo line

[tawdry cave]

I think if we can replace Anthroplasm with something more useful, Sage may be worth keeping

because I can see having other combo lines with Sage potentially

Anthroplasm not so much

[compact trout]

Riptide is usually a defensive piece, but I'm not sure we need the function in this

[tawdry cave]

yeah we get a free block

or "protection"

[compact trout]

Anthroplasm I'm down to cut

Yeah let's leave it

[tawdry cave]

3 mana for a bounce is a bit harsh

it's a land yeah but it's a colorless land

[compact trout]

We can add some more value cards i think

Do we have [[stock up]]

[tawdry cave]

We don't

Stock Up is good but I think also if we have room we may want the "into hand and graveyard" card advantage spells

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/67/stock-up

Stock Up <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at the top five cards of your library. Put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
"We are now accepting over eleven different interplanar currencies, including polished moonfall!"

[compact trout]

If possible yeah

[tawdry cave]

that's part of why I put Fact or Fiction back in

aside from it being a pretty decent draw spell in general

[compact trout]

I think [[ransack the lab]] and the new ff version aren't quite at rate

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/103/ransack-the-lab

Ransack the Lab <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
"I think someone is stealing from my laboratory. It had better not be you!" —Geralf, letter to Gisa

[tawdry cave]

I need to find a proper bracket 4 game

I've only been in "bracket 4 or lower" games where everyone is actually playing bracket 3

and then I win and feel like this probably wasn't a good test of the deck's power

but hey, at least we know it can win!

[compact trout]

It's a start

[tawdry cave]

oh speaking of I took Necrodominance out of the nicer version of my Queza deck

because I drew it in opening hand and then proceeded to win with it and aetherflux reservoir lol (I had Sheoldred too)

and then I was like ...should this really be in lower bracket 3

so I put it in sideboard along with aetherflux

[compact trout]

Yeah I usually cut those from my lower bracket brews too

[tawdry cave]

the better version of the queza deck gets to keep all the shiny toys though

I'm using that one if I feel like the table is high power enough to not mind

[tawdry cave]

hm... yeah I'm not sure about this one

the ff one has flashback but it's so expensive that I doubt I'll ever cast that side

[compact trout]

Yeah it's just the front side

[tawdry cave]

I tried looking up sage of hours combos but it looks like there are actually not good ones

a lot of them are in simic

we may want to cut sage too since it is currently part of zero combos aside from anthroplasm

and find a better alternate combo line

[compact trout]

Could run a value [[rona, Herald of]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/75/rona-herald-of-invasion-rona-tolarian-obliterator

Rona, Herald of Invasion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever you cast a legendary spell, untap Rona.
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
: Transform Rona. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
1/3

Rona, Tolarian Obliterator
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Wizard
Trample
Whenever a source deals damage to Rona, that source's controller exiles a card from their hand at random. If it's a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield under your control. Otherwise, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.
"At last, I am compleat."
5/5

[compact trout]

Im not against cutting sage honestly

[tawdry cave]

front side seems kind of slow

I like Tolarian Obliterator but that's in Brawl

feel like it's going to be a lot worse in Commander

[compact trout]

She's one of the better looters usually

We can think about mirror mad phantasm graveyard lines again

[tawdry cave]

still don't like mirror mad honestly

we do not have good ways to win with our library in the graveyard

because we still need to actually attach our pieces to Mairsil

[tawdry cave]

[[Enclave Cryptologist]] maybe?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/roe/66/enclave-cryptologist

Enclave Cryptologist <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Level up (: Put a level counter on this. Level up only as a sorcery.)
LEVEL 1-2
0/1
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
LEVEL 3+
0/1
: Draw a card.
0/1

[tawdry cave]

how bad is dying to 1 damage pings

[compact trout]

Im sure we can make the graveyard plan very easy with just 1-2 extra cards

Rona is way better than cryptologist, she let's you see more cards more quickly.

[tawdry cave]

we still have mairsil in the graveyard (or command zone), though...

[tawdry cave]

we don't have that many untap triggers is the issue

[compact trout]

Even just getting another trigger on casting mairsil makes her better than most looters

[tawdry cave]

like we can make it work but it's going to be a hurdle

[compact trout]

It wouldn't be a mairsil line

It could be I suppose

But it's probably an ooze line or something

[tawdry cave]

I think our deck is too built around mairsil for that though honestly

[compact trout]

I doubt it

[tawdry cave]

well the other issue is this is not actually an alternate combo unless we go thoracle or something

it's just another way to get to our existing combos

[compact trout]

Not true

[tawdry cave]

which means that it's vulnerable to the same things

[compact trout]

Well it's true that it has the same vulnerabilities as our good combo, I just think it's way better than sage

[tawdry cave]

I do think it's better than sage

[tawdry cave]

I'd prefer to have something that doesn't have the same vulnerabilities though

[compact trout]

We can put staff of domination or something back in, and a way to make infinite artifact mana

[tawdry cave]

what does staff actually combo with?

[hidden light]

Any loop that makes 6 mana (or less depending)

[compact trout]

^

[hidden light]

But 6 lets you draw your deck

[compact trout]

Its like the perfect infinite mana outlet cause it draws your whole deck in colorless, and has other text too

[hidden light]

Gain life and untaps creatures

So it can untap mairsil

[compact trout]

We already have grim monolith so we can easily do [[rings of brighthearth]] or something similar for infinite without mairsil, and the staff is good on her too

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/335/rings-of-brighthearth

Rings of Brighthearth <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Whenever you activate an ability, if it isn't a mana ability, you may pay . If you do, copy that ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"Without flame, there would be no iron tools, no cooked meals, no purge of old growth to make room for new." —Brighthearth creed

[compact trout]

[[power artifact]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/me4/57/power-artifact

Power Artifact <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant artifact
Enchanted artifact's activated abilities cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.

[hidden light]

If mairsil imprints it it's only 1 to untap then too

[compact trout]

Its not grim that goes infinite with rings, it basalt. you need power artifact to go infite with grim, but still

Kind of random, but this makes me want a [[karn, the great creator]] board

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/1/karn-the-great-creator

Karn, the Great Creator <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Planeswalker — Karn
Activated abilities of artifacts your opponents control can't be activated.
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value.
−2: You may reveal an artifact card you own from outside the game or choose a face-up artifact card you own in exile. Put that card into your hand.
Loyalty: 5

[compact trout]

We can include staff, basalt monolith to combo with power artifact, and rings of brighthearth to go off. Throw in ensnaring bridge, soul-guide lantern, and he's just a one sided stony silence

I moved sage of hours and anthroplasm to considering

[tawdry cave]

okay

[compact trout]

I really want to add this karn actually

Also I want to put preordain back in

[tawdry cave]

ehhh sure I guess preordain is good for land smoothing

[compact trout]

It's just such an unhinged card

Its easy to underrate

[tawdry cave]

are we doing something with the -2?

or something with the +1

[compact trout]

The -2

I think its kind of sweet

Memory jar too

Relic of sauron for a big mana rock

[tawdry cave]

when do we actually want to unattach something from mairsil though

[compact trout]

hmm?

[tawdry cave]

I think we had relic of sauron in initially right?

[tawdry cave]

what's the situation where we have a face-up artifact in exile

[compact trout]

This ability: "−2: You may reveal an artifact card you own from outside the game or choose a face-up artifact card you own in exile. Put that card into your hand."

Our sideboard

[tawdry cave]

I thought commander doesn't allow sideboard even for wish effects

[compact trout]

Did they remove that at some point?

That might have been something removed

[hidden light]

Karn's isnt a true wish

[[Karn the great creator]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/1/karn-the-great-creator

Karn, the Great Creator <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Planeswalker — Karn
Activated abilities of artifacts your opponents control can't be activated.
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value.
−2: You may reveal an artifact card you own from outside the game or choose a face-up artifact card you own in exile. Put that card into your hand.
Loyalty: 5

[compact trout]

Yeah it looks like they removed sideboards a little over half a decade ago lol

[hidden light]

"A face-up artifact card you own in exile"

[compact trout]

Yeah so we can rebuy stuff

[hidden light]

Commander has never had side boards

[compact trout]

It used to exist as an optional rule I believe, now it is a sideboardless format

Yeah I found it actually https://web.archive.org/web/20130715001716/http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php

[hidden light]

Optional rule is an add on

Highlander, the one commander grew out of, didn't have sideboards

[compact trout]

True, but for a time I would build decks with wishboards, and when people didn't want to play with wishboards the cards were just worse and it was fine

like [[living wish]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/179/living-wish

Living Wish <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
You may reveal a creature or land card you own from outside the game and put it into your hand. Exile Living Wish.
The best wishes include the will to tame their consequences.

[compact trout]

Anyways

[hidden light]

I wonder when they added that

[tawdry cave]

I put Preordain back in as requested

[compact trout]

I think it was removed about 6 years ago, and that snapshot is from 2013

[compact trout]

Nice

I feel so foolish that we don't have dark ritual

We really should probably put it back in

[hidden light]

Answer. It was a suggested house rule to keep people from getting any card in their collection

[compact trout]

Thats how it was played in kitchen table back in the day

[hidden light]

If they put wishboards in, I will quit

[compact trout]

haha

[hidden light]

But that's a different discussion

[tawdry cave]

to be honest, I feel like we do not have a lot of dark ritual targets

we want to be casting mairsil (which dark ritual doesn't help with that much), blinking mairsil, and getting our combo pieces into hand or graveyard

dark ritual can help cast things like [[gifts ungiven]], yes

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/51/gifts-ungiven

Gifts Ungiven <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Search your library for up to four cards with different names and reveal them. Target opponent chooses two of those cards. Put the chosen cards into your graveyard and the rest into your hand. Then shuffle.

[tawdry cave]

but I feel like it's a bit narrow

[compact trout]

It helps a lot with the second cast of mairsil, and is at least a lotus petal+ for the first one

It can help with artifact startstoo

The one ring, coveted jewel

lotus

[tawdry cave]

we don't want to hardcast jewel though

[compact trout]

Well we can though

Its fine

Hardcast jewel>tutor for kitten is a very really line

Like a very really line

I also think we might want a [[mission briefing]] or similar for gifts piles

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/110/mission-briefing

Mission Briefing <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Surveil 2, then choose an instant or sorcery card in your graveyard. You may cast it this turn. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead. (To surveil 2, look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)

[hidden light]

Are you putting in [[psychic frog]]?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/199/psychic-frog

Psychic Frog <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Frog
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, draw a card.
Discard a card: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Exile three cards from your graveyard: This creature gains flying until end of turn.
Some frogs poison the body. Some frogs poison the mind.
1/2

[compact trout]

I want to

Its in our considering, we've cut it for now

[tawdry cave]

I don't know how often we're casting mairsil twice at a point when the mana matters to be honest

like yeah it will happen if we are getting focused but

[compact trout]

Do you support the frog?

@tawdry cave What do you think of [[mission briefing]] or something like that to improve our gifts piles

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/110/mission-briefing

Mission Briefing <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Surveil 2, then choose an instant or sorcery card in your graveyard. You may cast it this turn. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead. (To surveil 2, look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)

[tawdry cave]

what are we casting with it is the issue

[compact trout]

Reanimate is one thing, so a pile could be briefing+reanimate+creature (kitten) to get the creature 100%

[tawdry cave]

this feels way too clunky

[compact trout]

I mean snapcaster mage is just a good card in general

[tawdry cave]

we're spending a gifts ungiven for displacer kitten?

[compact trout]

You want a backup plan

That doesnt involve the graveyard

[tawdry cave]

yeah but it's just-

this isn't actually a wincon

[compact trout]

Coveted jewel + kitten literally is a vintage deck dude

[tawdry cave]

no I just mean I think mission briefing is the wrong card for this

if we have gifts ungiven we're already doing well

[compact trout]

[[animate dead]] then

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/125/animate-dead

Animate Dead <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When this Aura enters, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with this Aura." Return enchanted creature card to the battlefield under your control and attach this Aura to it. When this Aura leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets -1/-0.

[tawdry cave]

we could put that back in yeah

[compact trout]

I think making gifts a card card tutor for our secondary win con is very important

[tawdry cave]

also doesn't gifts inherently involve the graveyard though

not quite as much as our primary wincon, but

unless we're building a pile where any two cards in it combo

[compact trout]

Its a backup plan for the other bad thing, our commander gettng taxed out

Sometimes we gotta pretend we don't have a commander lol

Oh we can always [[dualcaster mage]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/165/dualcaster-mage

Dualcaster Mage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Wizard
Flash
When this creature enters, copy target instant or sorcery spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"It has been my experience that disasters like to strike in pairs."
2/2

[tawdry cave]

for twinflame?

seems like a good line

do we have anything else that combos with it

I guess it's just good value if we have the mana for it

[compact trout]

Its always at least a cancel

Against counterspells

lol

[tawdry cave]

true, true

spell copying is nice

I didn't realize you don't have to control the spell

let's put it in, then

[compact trout]

added it

We're at 101 now

[tawdry cave]

I don't entirely believe in animate dead unless we add more entomb effects or self-mill

getting mairsil into graveyard isn't actually that easy

and displacer kitten is the only creature we're regularly hardcasting

kozilek and dreadsire are nice but

[compact trout]

I would rather cut [[siren's ruse]] honestly. Animate dead is just so consistently good. It turns removal into upside, disrupts enemy combos, randomly steals bombs. Makes intuition into an any tutor creature as well

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/xln/80/sirens-ruse

Siren's Ruse <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Exile target creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control. If a Pirate was exiled this way, draw a card.
Deception and misdirection are the heart of the pirate's arsenal.

[tawdry cave]

that's fair, maybe I'm not thinking about the graveyard interaction potential enough

we can cut siren's

[compact trout]

This looks nice

Imma golfish a bit

Oh hmm

I kind of think [[fire covenant]] is a notable ommision as far as interaction is concerned

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/me1/145/fire-covenant

Fire Covenant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, pay X life.
Fire Covenant deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures.

[tawdry cave]

ehh...?

I feel like we don't usually have the life to spare

Toxic Deluge is fine because it's so efficient

[compact trout]

The card is just crazy, its instant speed and so versatile. If we go seeking more removal thats a decent place to start

[tawdry cave]

I feel like Covenant would be better in a board-based deck

(assuming we're playing it "fairly" obviously)

this seems not that good for the same reason we're not playing Cyclonic Rift

and we have actually zero sources of lifegain

this card seems like it's going to be worse murder too often

[compact trout]

A lot of tables play a lot of mana dorks

And a lot of little interaction dudes

It can pick up 3-5 key pieces, and maybe even a hatebear on a pretty regular basis

3 mana is so little compared to rift as well

[tawdry cave]

maybe, it does look fun

[compact trout]

Its a crazy card

[tawdry cave]

I'm just finding myself ending games pretty low on life already is all

[compact trout]

If you haven't played it, its insane

That one and the 1 cmc gift bounce spell are worth revisiting later

[tawdry cave]

since we put in dualcaster, maybe [[molten duplication]] too?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/big/14/molten-duplication

Molten Duplication <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Create a token that's a copy of target artifact or creature you control, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types. It gains haste until end of turn. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
No one had seen this side of Angeline before, not even her.

[tawdry cave]

it seems like better twinflame mostly

I didn't see it before

[tawdry cave]

yeah, we'll see how much we need removal

[compact trout]

[[twinflame]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/129/twinflame

Twinflame <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Strive — This spell costs more to cast for each target beyond the first.
Choose any number of target creatures you control. For each of them, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it has haste. Exile those tokens at the beginning of the next end step.

[compact trout]

Yeah that does seem better

[tawdry cave]

I think maybe we run both?

[compact trout]

Sure

I could see it

Hmm

What does it do thats better than a mairsil activation

[tawdry cave]

resets mairsil ability charges/untaps mairsil

and sends back to command zone in the process

[tawdry cave]

if we don't want that to happen then it's just a mairsil activation yes

[compact trout]

Hmm

Seems okay

We can try it over animate dead for now

[tawdry cave]

okay

[tawdry cave]

I haven't gotten a chance to actually test twinflame yet

now that we have two copies I may be able to

[compact trout]

lol

Perhaps

I should play it in a game

[tawdry cave]

how do you normally play?

[compact trout]

On cockatrice

[tawdry cave]

I see

let me know what you think about land count if you do also

[compact trout]

I'm gonna try untap.in as well

[tawdry cave]

I've been bouncing the land count up and down because it's hard to tell

[compact trout]

We might want 30 I already think lol

I'll let you know after I play

[tawdry cave]

I think 30 is probably a safe bet honestly

let me see what I can cut

hm [[pili-pala]] may be not pulling weight honestly

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/shm/258/pili-pala

Pili-Pala <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
Flying
, : Add one mana of any color. ( is the untap symbol.)
It wasn't really expected to fly. Then again, it wasn't expected to move, either.
1/1

[tawdry cave]

it only really combos with quicksilver is the issue

[compact trout]

I've been thinking that

Well it also combos with lotus

And jewel

[tawdry cave]

yeah but it's still once per turn restriction

since it can't untap other things

[compact trout]

True

Yeah probably bad

[tawdry cave]

I think if we want another thing that combos with quicksilver we put knacksaw clique back in

I'll cut pili-pala and add a land

[compact trout]

Yeah

Quicksilver seems like it goes hard enough no matter what that we don't need to out of the way to give it another enabler

[compact trout]

@cursive forum It begins https://moxfield.com/decks/n_c2dbhz9kCR2mcUHg7wFw

[cursive forum]

Nice!

[compact trout]

My current WiP: https://moxfield.com/decks/UBTZKZqAJUGFSPU9Wm1rAQ

[stark totem]

[[Altar of Bhaal]], [[Whisper, Blood Liturgist]], [[Hell's Caretaker]] all look promising

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/109/altar-of-bhaal-bone-offering

Altar of Bhaal <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Artifact
, , Exile a creature you control: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.

Bone Offering
Sorcery — Adventure
Create a tapped 4/1 black Skeleton creature token with menace. (Then exile this card. You may cast the artifact later from exile.)

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/198/whisper-blood-liturgist

Whisper, Blood Liturgist <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
, Sacrifice two creatures: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
"Look how they beg for the knife! The Demonlord has trained them well."
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/92/hells-caretaker

Hell's Caretaker <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Horror
, Sacrifice a creature: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only during your upkeep.
"The rules are clear. If you want to leave, you need only convince another to take your place."
1/1

[compact trout]

I'll put them into considering, but they're in direct competition with some very powerful cards

Such as [[chthonian nightmare]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/83/chthonian-nightmare

Chthonian Nightmare <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, you get (three energy counters).
Pay X , Sacrifice a creature, Return this enchantment to its owner's hand: Return target creature card with mana value X from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.

[stark totem]

Are you planning on running [[Drivnod]]?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/90/drivnod-carnage-dominus

Drivnod, Carnage Dominus <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
If a creature dying causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
, Exile three creature cards from your graveyard: Put an indestructible counter on Drivnod. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
8/3

[compact trout]

I've never played with them before

I am considering it yeah

[stark totem]

Some sac outlets that fill up your graveyard could be useful, like [[Altar of Dementia]] or [[Greater Good]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/218/altar-of-dementia

Altar of Dementia <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Target player mills cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power.
"It is not that you will go mad. It is that you will beg for madness." —Volrath

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/160/greater-good

Greater Good <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Sacrifice a creature: Draw cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power, then discard three cards.
"There's wisdom to be gained in death—whether it be one's own or someone else's." —Jarad, Golgari Lich-Lord

[stark totem]

Btw what do you want the win con to be for this deck?

[compact trout]

Primarily a midrange value/advantage deck

I'll include an unsearchable infinite in the 99 somewhere

altar of dementia/greater good are in

[tawdry cave]

I like how you plan for this

the deck is not complete unless you have a combo

[compact trout]

Its important

You need a way to end games

I stand by it

[tawdry cave]

just end games by sheer force of stats

[compact trout]

Thats plan A

[stark totem]

I mean not every deck needs a combo, but decks should certainly have win cons

[tawdry cave]

yeah, I just found it funny that rougesareth was specifically planning to have an unsearchable infinite ahead of time

[compact trout]

I do think every b3+ deck needs a deterministic~ ish win

[compact trout]

lmao yeah

[stark totem]

idk I think in B3 it's pretty easy to do this without combos though

[compact trout]

for sure

It can be big mana X spell for example

[stark totem]

Or beating everyone to death with an endless army of Abzan midrange creatures that I will pump out forever

[compact trout]

Just something that declare "if this resolves, I am winning"

[tawdry cave]

I've definitely tried to lean away from that in Akroma just because Queza and Mairsil are so combo-based

but I guess my version of that for Akroma is kicked Rite of Replication

[compact trout]

That works

Even like [[cathar's crusade]] counts

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/17/cathars-crusade

Cathars' Crusade <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
Avacyn's holy warriors kept hope alive in her darkest hours. Now they will carry that hope across Innistrad.

[stark totem]

yeah I am thinking about my Bracket 3 decks

while I think only 1 has an actual infinite combo, many of them have some haymakers that can deliver a knockout pretty easily

I do have a couple decks where the strategy actually just is accumulated value though

[compact trout]

I have decks like this, but I still like to sneak in something that just goes over the top, even if its a 4 card combo or something.

Its funny, because i'm like "the combo guy", but I win 90% of my games probably through whatever backup value plan I include

My sac outlets are pretty fleshed out now

[stark totem]

Yeah I suppose that even in my two decks that don't have immediately obvious haymakers, there are some spells in there which will quickly end the game if not dealt with

They're just odd and surprising

[compact trout]

Exactly

[stark totem]

It's a bit more common for my B3 decks that the big threat needs to survive one time around the table before I win though

Like my [[Esix, Fractal Bloom]] deck if I manage to land [[Avenger of Zendikar]] with my Commander out then there will be an opportunity to board wipe before I crush everyone with 9 million plants

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/210/esix-fractal-bloom

Esix, Fractal Bloom <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Fractal
Flying
The first time you would create one or more tokens during each of your turns, you may instead choose a creature other than Esix and create that many tokens that are copies of that creature.
4/4

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/247/avenger-of-zendikar

Avenger of Zendikar <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental
When this creature enters, create a 0/1 green Plant creature token for each land you control.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you may put a +1/+1 counter on each Plant creature you control.
5/5

[compact trout]

I think right now the order is [[sek'kuar, deathspeaker]] as the lowest power option, [[slimefoot and squee]] as the mid power option, and [[korvold, fae-cursed king]] as the high power option. Still smoothing things out, but solid start so far

[gray siren]

No card found for “sek'kuar, deathspeaker”

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/447/slimefoot-and-squee

Slimefoot and Squee <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Fungus Goblin
Whenever Slimefoot and Squee enters or attacks, create a 1/1 green Saproling creature token.
, Sacrifice a Saproling: Return this card and up to one other target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/120/korvold-fae-cursed-king

Korvold, Fae-Cursed King <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dragon Noble
Flying
Whenever Korvold enters or attacks, sacrifice another permanent.
Whenever you sacrifice a permanent, put a +1/+1 counter on Korvold and draw a card.
Transformed at his own wedding, he promptly ate the banquet, the gifts, and the guests.
4/4

[compact trout]

https://moxfield.com/decks/UBTZKZqAJUGFSPU9Wm1rAQ

[stark totem]

Does this deck have a combo in it?

It doesn't necessarily need one, but you indicated you might add one

If you put in [[Nim Deathmantle]] then you do have a combo with Ashnod's Altar + Zulaport + any nontoken creature + your commander

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/309/nim-deathmantle

Nim Deathmantle <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2, has intimidate, and is a black Zombie. (A creature with intimidate can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or creatures that share a color with it.)
Whenever a nontoken creature is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, you may pay . If you do, return that card to the battlefield and attach this Equipment to it.
Equip

[stark totem]

Or if you want a Jund specific way to kill people there is [[Kresh, the Bloodbraided]] and some flings

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/345/kresh-the-bloodbraided

Kresh the Bloodbraided <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever another creature dies, you may put X +1/+1 counters on Kresh, where X is that creature's power.
Each of his twenty-two braids is bound with bone and leather from a foe.
3/3

[cursive forum]

[[falco spara pact]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/186/falco-spara-pactweaver

Falco Spara, Pactweaver <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird Demon
Flying, trample
Falco Spara enters with a shield counter on it.
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast spells from the top of your library by removing a counter from a creature you control in addition to paying their other costs.
3/3

[cursive forum]

Build falco for your bant

He is cool

His raised foil is cheap

Okay it was 7$ now its 30

[stark totem]

yeah you gotta shell out if you want that sweet, sweet gilded foil

[cursive forum]

It's pretty

[stark totem]

https://tenor.com/view/shiny-moana-tamatoa-sparkle-sparkly-gif-16985274

[compact trout]

[[Slimefoot and squee]] + [[ruthless technomancer]] + big creature + sac outlet is what I have. Theres a bit of modularity to it depending on if I have ashnods or pitiless plundered as well. Without either the only creature big enough is wight of the reliquary, with either I can get away with smaller.

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/447/slimefoot-and-squee

Slimefoot and Squee <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Fungus Goblin
Whenever Slimefoot and Squee enters or attacks, create a 1/1 green Saproling creature token.
, Sacrifice a Saproling: Return this card and up to one other target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/35/ruthless-technomancer

Ruthless Technomancer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Wizard
When this creature enters, you may sacrifice another creature you control. If you do, create a number of Treasure tokens equal to that creature's power.
, Sacrifice X artifacts: Return target creature card with power X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. X can't be 0.
2/4

[compact trout]

This guy is was eyeing, I think I might build them

They seem awesome

[cursive forum]

He is really fun

I can share my deck if you want

[compact trout]

You totally should

@tawdry cave I've bee thinkign about Mairsil and I have a few ideas. Mostly that our best two cards are probably gifts and intuition, and that makes me want to play mystical tutor and merchants scroll

[tawdry cave]

completely agree on that assessment

[[merchant's scroll]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/91/merchant-scroll

Merchant Scroll <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Search your library for a blue instant card, reveal that card, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Lat-Nam wizards trade knowledge on scrolls made of magic so they can better guard against thieves and spies.

[tawdry cave]

feel like this isn't an amazing rate, honestly?

Mystical Tutor is nice though

[compact trout]

Fun fact, merchant scroll was restricted in vintage once upon a time

The rate is fine, its the same as DT

[tawdry cave]

we're not usually tutoring for gifts with DT though, are we?

there's only so much tutoring for tutors you can do

that said, demonic tutor is such an insane card that strictly worse demonic tutor could reasonably be worth running

[compact trout]

I love a good tutor for a tutor

If only we could play yawg will

[tawdry cave]

yeah, we want graveyard enablers but not really graveyard payoffs

since mairsil hoards the cards

[tawdry cave]

notably we can tutor for force of will/fierce guardianship/deflecting swat if we want

but being sorcery speed makes that much more awkward

let's try putting both mystical tutor and merchant scroll in and see how they play?

what do you think we should cut

we were looking at potentially cutting dreadsire before but I do like having an infinite creatures (potentially with haste) combo line

aside from the fact that 10/10s are pretty decent if not being used as part of a combo

although we have the dualcaster twinflame line for that as well now

we could look at cutting mass hysteria depending on how afraid we are of it helping our opponents

that said we can always wait to play it until it matters, since it's one mana

[compact trout]

I kind of like the dreadsire now tbh

[cursive forum]

https://moxfield.com/decks/V7CtAxbGfU2ttYoa6sviKA

[compact trout]

I've come around on it a bit

I like having a super fair backup gameplan, and I also like having a single good card we can entomb for and go o ff

[tawdry cave]

glad to hear!

[compact trout]

I think putting our haste enabler in our lands only is probably enough to be honest, I think mass hysteria isn't neccesary. Plus not all of our combos even require tapping

[tawdry cave]

yeah, that's fair, will put it in considering

[compact trout]

Merchant scroll is basically just "DT for either a draw spell, combo spell, or counterpsell" and its pretty good at being that

Same as mystic being just vamp for the same things

[tawdry cave]

mystic's instant which does matter a bit

oh wait I was thinking of imperial seal

yeah vamp is instant

should we be running vampiric tutor? I don't think we actually are

[compact trout]

If we aren't we probably should be

[tawdry cave]

I've put it in

[compact trout]

good

[tawdry cave]

took out Ashling's Prerogative too

still need one cut though

could try cutting disk since destroying all artifacts is a real downside in this deck

but I feel like we need some kind of board wipe

we could cut twinflame since it's just worse molten duplication in our deck mostly

although I do like it as a value piece

aside from making the dualcaster combo a bit more consistent

we could cut mirage mirror since it's a lot clunkier than quicksilver elemental I think

2 mana instead of one is a real cost when we're doing loops, even if it's generic mana

[compact trout]

I think just playing molten > twinflame is probably right

I could see mirage mirror too, i've been eyeing it for a while

[tawdry cave]

yeah the problem is that quicksilver mirage are best as loop enablers

and mirage costing 2 makes it that much harder to combo with

[compact trout]

Its true

[tawdry cave]

do note that haste enablers on lands are a lot worse because they only work once per turn cycle

[compact trout]

That is true for sure

I like perogative more than the hysteria

It plays double duty

[tawdry cave]

me too

prerogative is just a really neat card

I've cut Twinflame instead of Ashling's Prerogative for now

feel free to make your own changes

we've added vampiric, mystical, and scroll and are at 100 cards again

[tawdry cave]

thinking about it the main actual advantage for mystical over scroll is being able to tutor for duplication/deluge/reanimate/windfall

(plus demonic tutor lol)

[tawdry cave]

I do feel like having two copies of Twinflame is nice but dualcaster and molten duplication can both stand on their own very well so it's not mandatory

[tawdry cave]

Ashling's Prerogative works on Mairsil and Dreadsire tokens, which is all we need here

so it's just one extra mana compared to mass hysteria to disrupt opponents as well

oh by the way I'm cutting crosis's attendant for blood pet

because I'm pretty sure our only way of removing counters right now is walking ballista (correct me if I'm wrong)

so we can't use crosis's to generate infinite mana without being able to just kill people anyway

this is a side effect of cutting sage of hours but I still think the use case for that one was probably too narrow

[compact trout]

Makes sense to me

i'm glad to have blood pet back tbh

Mystical is so versatile, I would probably preferit over merchant, but having too many topdeck tutors can be a drag

[tawdry cave]

we only have two anyway

[compact trout]

Yeah

[tawdry cave]

but yeah topdeck tutors are a bit vulnerable to disruption I think (and obviously they interfere with each other like you were saying)

[compact trout]

Might as well run them

And they're ust -1 card

[tawdry cave]

like I said I wholeheartedly prefer mystical to merchant here

but I think you're right that we need all the tutors we can get

[compact trout]

We can also think about [[defense grid]] I think. We're probably a bit soft to instant speed interaction with how mana intensive our commander is

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/293/defense-grid

Defense Grid <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Each spell costs more to cast except during its controller's turn.
It lights up the sky, beckoning enemies only to repel them.

[tawdry cave]

true, and we don't have a ton of instant speed interaction ourselves

this wrecks offer and swan song though (still works for protection during our turn, I guess)

but the rest can be free

we could replace one of them with pact

[compact trout]

True

[tawdry cave]

actually wait does the cost get increased after the base is set to 0

then that's still going to be sad

[compact trout]

I like pact, and protecting ourselves on our own turn is the important ting anyways

[tawdry cave]

I think we can win at instant speed though right?

during our turn, but still

that said mairsil can get counterspelled

I was more thinking about removal

[compact trout]

We can, but a well timed [[strix serenade]] or swords can be brutal

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/71/strix-serenade

Strix Serenade <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target artifact, creature, or planeswalker spell. Its controller creates a 2/2 blue Bird creature token with flying.
Some birds sing to nature's beauty and the freedom of the skies. Others simply ask questions.

[tawdry cave]

pretty sure we can just respond to swords by winning

but yeah getting countered would be pretty bad

it's why we're running cavern of souls in there

[compact trout]

Swords gets us if we still need to exile a piece because tehy can respond to the trigger

[tawdry cave]

we still win on next cast but yeah it slows us down

since the trigger happens if mairsil is off the board

[compact trout]

Yeah

Basically a timewalk

[tawdry cave]

I'm going to add pact and cut arcane denial, then?

[compact trout]

I would prefer veil of summer, be we aint breya

Hmm

I honestly think it might just require playtesting

Put in pact for now, and just pretend its a denial when we draw it

Imagine how it would compare in the spot

[tawdry cave]

will do

wonder what we'd cut for defense grid

[compact trout]

Hard to say

Lets just maybeboard it for now

[tawdry cave]

the nice thing is that at least for protection purposes we can always pay for pact

since Mairsil is 4 and we don't need to counter the first cast being countered anyway

not sure how much pact slows us down if we cast it on a turn we're not winning on, though

[compact trout]

A lot

Its like timewalking yourself most of the time

But thats better than losing

[compact trout]

I have decided that I do want to build [[sydri, galvanic genius]]. Stax/combo time

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/224/sydri-galvanic-genius

Sydri, Galvanic Genius <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
: Target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value until end of turn.
: Target artifact creature gains deathtouch and lifelink until end of turn.
2/2

[cursive forum]

Mendicant core augur is cooler

[stark totem]

Last time I built a Sydri deck I ended up cutting Sydri

It's a Marneus Calgartifacts deck now

[cursive forum]

Sydri just looks really awkward

[stark totem]

Counterpoint: she can turn your [[Aetherflux Reservoir]] into a creature and give it lifelink

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir

Aetherflux Reservoir <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Whenever you cast a spell, you gain 1 life for each spell you've cast this turn.
Pay 50 life: This artifact deals 50 damage to any target.
While most power is used for ordinary, everyday tasks, one shouldn't underestimate its potential for the extraordinary.

[compact trout]

I want to [[liquimetal coating]] lands because im a bad person

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/197/liquimetal-coating

Liquimetal Coating <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
: Target permanent becomes an artifact in addition to its other types until end of turn.
"They'll soon become accustomed to wearing skin that is not their own." —Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

[stark totem]

This just feels like [[Kamahl, Fist of Krosa]] with extra steps

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/166/kamahl-fist-of-krosa

Kamahl, Fist of Krosa <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Druid
: Target land becomes a 1/1 creature until end of turn. It's still a land.
: Creatures you control get +3/+3 and gain trample until end of turn.
"My mind has changed. My strength has not."
4/3

[compact trout]

Kamahl but wet

Wet and dirty kamahl

[stark totem]

sounds hot

I actually have a Kamah deck but it's nice Kamahl, he doesn't fight your lands usually

[compact trout]

I know I want to do a semi-stax deck with [[thopter foundry]]. I'm working back from there to pick a commander, andI sort of don't think any fit perfectly. The affinity for artifacts urza is my other runner

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/222/thopter-foundry

Thopter Foundry <:manawb:292901509044109312><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
, Sacrifice a nontoken artifact: Create a 1/1 blue Thopter artifact creature token with flying. You gain 1 life.
"Etherium is limited. Innovation is not." —Tezzeret

[stark totem]

I mean if you wanna win by Thopter Foundry you could always do 4-color [[Bjorna]] + [[Wernog]] + [[Lurus]] Companion

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/slx/2/bjorna-nightfall-alchemist

Bjorna, Nightfall Alchemist <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human
, Sacrifice an artifact: Bjorna, Nightfall Alchemist deals 1 damage to target creature. Goad that creature. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
Friends forever (You can have two commanders if both have friends forever.)
1/3

https://scryfall.com/card/slx/8/wernog-riders-chaplain

Wernog, Rider's Chaplain <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human
When Wernog, Rider's Chaplain enters or leaves the battlefield, each opponent may investigate. Each opponent who doesn't loses 1 life. You investigate X times, where X is one plus the number of opponents who investigated this way.
Friends forever (You can have two commanders if both have friends forever.)
1/2

No card found for “Lurus”

[stark totem]

[[Lurrus]] wtf

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/226/lurrus-of-the-dream-den

Lurrus of the Dream-Den <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manawb:292901509044109312><:manawb:292901509044109312>

Legendary Creature — Cat Nightmare
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has mana value 2 or less. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Lifelink
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard.
3/2

[compact trout]

Its more a vibes thing, extended era next level blue vibes. I'm not dong 4c right now, thats for future me.

I got 3 ore three color shards to finish

[stark totem]

nah the shards suck, the wedges are the cool ones

well, Jund is cool

[compact trout]

Its all about the IPA factions

Jeskai?

No

[[degavolver]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/apc/6/degavolver

Degavolver <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Volver
Kicker and/or (You may pay an additional and/or as you cast this spell.)
If this creature was kicked with its kicker, it enters with two +1/+1 counters on it and with "Pay 3 life: Regenerate this creature."
If this creature was kicked with its kicker, it enters with a +1/+1 counter on it and with first strike.
1/1

[compact trout]

ah that one is mardu whatever

[stark totem]

all the volvers are wedges

[tawdry cave]

I think I'm going to cut Agatha's Soul Cauldron for Defense Grid

played a game just now that I think I would have won if we didn't get disconnected

host wanted to leave, tried to give host to me, I thought I accepted, but we all got disconnected when the host left

but I had Vivi on Mairsil + Displacer Kitten and used Gifts Ungiven to get combo pieces into my hand/graveyard and I think that was a guaranteed win

also Arcanis on Mairsil did a ton of work with haste on Thousand-Year Elixir

[tawdry cave]

Soul Cauldron lets us combo with Grim Monolith/Mana Vault instead of just Gilded Lotus/Coveted Jewel (and helps with mana filtering)

but I think maybe it doesn't do enough in this deck by itself? since the activated ability counters will fall off when we blink mairsil

it's definitely nice to have though, so I'd like to hear your thoughts

I'm making the change for now

[tawdry cave]

would've been like a turn 9-10 win I think?

but someone blew up everyone's lands on turn 5, so faster than it sounds

pretty sure I was helped by the fact that the land destruction player kept recurring Wasteland to destroy the Atraxa poison player's new lands

[tawdry cave]

Vivi+Arcanis+haste on Mairsil was basically upgraded Coveted Jewel + Kitten

I did draw through like half of my deck before hitting Gifts (no other tutors either)

opening hand wasn't great but I started with both Windfall and Wheel of Fortune and just wheeled turn 3, which turned out to be the right move

even though it drew my opponents a lot more cards relatively

[tawdry cave]

I started with 0 lands in opening hand so mulliganed and got lands, the wheels, and really not much else

so I had no plays until the wheel

Mairsil was removed once but not countered, and then someone tried to remove Mairsil again but I responded with Planar Incision

had Cavern of Souls in opening hand but it didn't matter because that got destroyed

[tawdry cave]

I decided to put Gamble and Imperial Seal in- took out Skull of Ramos and Flamekin Village

not as sure about Seal but I think Gamble is pretty necessary here

also I'm trying Lotus Petal in place of Blood Vassal, since it's a better card overall and does the same combo if we have a haste enabler

Blood Pet stays

[compact trout]

I like that swap

The seal I dont lvoe as much

Seal is always really awakward feeling in my experience

Sorry, I didn't notice these messages from yesterday, i've been so spaced out T_T

[stark totem]

In your quest to pick a Bant commander, I'd say you could try [[Ellie and Alan, Paleontologists]], but it looks dangerously close to being Partners and I know how you feel about those...

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/rex/10/ellie-and-alan-paleontologists

Ellie and Alan, Paleontologists <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Scientist
, Exile a creature card from your graveyard: Discover X, where X is the mana value of the exiled card. Activate only as a sorcery. (Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card with that mana value or less. Cast it without paying its mana cost or put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.)
2/5

[compact trout]

Even worse, jurassic park

I don't why why the artstyle of that set makes me so grumpy

[stark totem]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-jeff-goldblum-life-finds-a-way-gif-8405245

[compact trout]

And that's uh

That's chaos theory

[compact trout]

Lotus petal is a great great addition

Im really happy to have that one in there

[tawdry cave]

no worries!

[tawdry cave]

yeah, sorcery speed topdeck tutor is ehh

[compact trout]

Gamble is amazing, and I think cutting soul cauldron is great now that our grinding plan is better

[tawdry cave]

could try something else

[compact trout]

I want to try goblin engineer in our list still at some point, im not convinced by it, but its worth trying I think

By the way i've been looking for a B4 lobby and can find a single one during my play hours lmao

[tawdry cave]

I'm in one right now!

the reason I decided to look for more tutors is because I played two games and lost both lol

got mana screwed the first game (was my fault, Mystical Tutored for Brainstorm without a shuffle in hand; should've been Faithless Looting)

[compact trout]

Classic

[tawdry cave]

second game I didn't draw my pieces and someone else won

so I felt like I should add more tutors maybe

[compact trout]

Hmm

I don't think we have the mana for three cmc tutors really

because there's always [[grim tutor]] if we think we do

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/103/grim-tutor

Grim Tutor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Search your library for a card, put that card into your hand, then shuffle. You lose 3 life.
As blood touched the empty page, it formed words that seared themselves into the wizard's mind.

[tawdry cave]

we don't

do we want Tainted Pact maybe?

is that better than Imperial Seal

[compact trout]

I think it is

Yeah that's nice

[tawdry cave]

okay, replaced Imperial Seal with Tainted Pact!

I think it'll play well

[compact trout]

I do too

We're such a sorcery speed deck in a way that every instant speed effect is huge too

[tawdry cave]

@compact trout I do wanna put Knacksaw Clique back in here somewhere just to have a win condition that gets around Glacial Chasm and protection

but if you have a better idea for an alt wincon, then let me know

notably Hateflayer has no infinite combos with anything in our current list except vivi+quicksilver for infinite mana and a tapper

it does still combo to win us the game non-infinitely without vivi if we have enough mana

the removal is nice but I think the mana cost might be real if we're not comboing

also I don't have defense grid in the current list but I'll look at finding somewhere to put it in

[tawdry cave]

do we like [[Taigam's Scheming]], actually?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/57/taigams-scheming

Taigam's Scheming <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Surveil 5. (Look at the top five cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)
"The Jeskai would have me bow in restraint. So I have found a people unafraid of true power."

[tawdry cave]

or [[otherworldly gaze]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/122/otherworldly-gaze

Otherworldly Gaze <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Surveil 3. (Look at the top three cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

[tawdry cave]

also, [[wheel of misfortune]]?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/211/wheel-of-misfortune

Wheel of Misfortune <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each player secretly chooses a number 0 or greater, then all players reveal those numbers simultaneously and determine the highest and lowest numbers revealed this way. Wheel of Misfortune deals damage equal to the highest number to each player who chose that number. Each player who didn't choose the lowest number discards their hand, then draws seven cards.

[tawdry cave]

I'm thinking that if we have the space for either of these, we probably just want more tutors, but wanted to consider them

[tawdry cave]

I do want to say that we may want another untapper anyway (Hateflayer is currently the only one other than Thousand-Year Elixir which has to be cast)

[compact trout]

I'm not in love with the filter to graveyard effects, too high of odds of just being -1 cards in our deck. Wheel of misfortune I like more, wheels can be pretty big haymakers for us.

Hateflayer I have thought was high mana requirements for a while, but I just havent ha the chance to play with it and get a sense for ho it controls a baord

I'm open to adding an untapper, we have a ton of options

I think either one that doubles as protection or as an infinite mana outlet is best

[tawdry cave]

we do only have one infinite mana route (vivi) currently

but yeah some outlet would still be good for comboing with vivi

[tawdry cave]

like I said my preferred untapper would be knacksaw just because it lets us force through a win against certain types of protection

but a utility untapper might be good too

[tawdry cave]

galecaster is better for general board control I think

[tawdry cave]

Thousand-Year Elixir is generally just nice value, but it only works once per turn cycle currently

[tawdry cave]

agree with the general assessment of the surveil effects

we don't gain a ton of value from just general cards in our graveyard

[compact trout]

Im down for knacksaw

[compact trout]

True

I have finally decided on what esper deck I want to make

[[toluz, clever]] cycle storm

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/228/toluz-clever-conductor

Toluz, Clever Conductor <:manawu:292901508696113153><:manau:292901508754702338><:manaub:292901509056692224>

Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
When Toluz enters, it connives. (Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever you discard one or more cards, exile them from your graveyard.
When Toluz dies, put the cards exiled with it into their owner's hand.
3/1

[compact trout]

It begins https://moxfield.com/decks/Y5x1zRfIq0qIyscEzi6GtQ

[tawdry cave]

cut Hateflayer for Knacksaw Clique for now, cut Consider for Dark Ritual because I wanted to try it

I think Knacksaw is just better as a win condition because we can infinitely loop it, while we can't loop Hateflayer without Vivi

the removal is nice but I think it is probably a bit slow- dealing 4 damage does not always get rid of problems either

[tawdry cave]

won T4- cast Windfall on T2 with the help of Mana Vault to get Anger into my graveyard, cast Demonic Tutor on T3 for Arcanis the Omnipotent, cast Mairsil on T4 into no responses (the Sephiroth player tried to Snuff Out Mairsil before realizing that it didn't work- I had Force of Will but my only other blue card in hand was Vivi so that would've been awkward), exiling Vivi from hand, generated RRRR with Vivi, paid RR for Molten Duplication on Mairsil, kept the token copy, exiled Arcanis from hand, tapped Mairsil to draw 3 since Mairsil had haste from Anger, drew into Lion's Eye Diamond and Frantic Search, generated UUUU with Vivi, paid UUR for Frantic Search, drew into Gilded Lotus and untapped City of Brass and my dual land that could generate black, played Lion's Eye Diamond and sacrificed it for BBB, discarding my hand, spent all of my floating mana to cast Mairsil from command zone, tapped Mairsil to draw 3 in response to the ETB trigger, drew Quicksilver Elemental, exiled Quicksilver Elemental with the trigger, used it to generate a large amount of blue and red mana with Vivi, activated Arcanis's second ability for 2UU to bounce Mairsil to my hand, replayed Mairsil, tapping City of Brass for black, took a moment before we realized that I had Gilded Lotus in my graveyard, and the rest of the table conceded since I could draw my library

the Anger enabler was a T4 Steam Vents

[compact trout]

sheeeeesh

What a line

Thats sick

[tawdry cave]

felt like a storm line lol

first time I've done something like that, but it's good to see that we can in fact win early because my previous wins have been like turn 7 or 8 and later

[compact trout]

Sounds like a storm line

The turbo lines are good to be comfortable with too

[tawdry cave]

mhm, took me a while to get through all of that but I'm glad I didn't mess up

the Demonic Tutor for Arcanis was really nice there- I saw that I had Vivi and Molten Duplication in hand and figured that I could do something silly

[compact trout]

Aranis with haste is a fun infinite mana out too

[tawdry cave]

yeah, I hadn't really realized that if we have infinite mana and Arcanis with haste we basically just win

we do need a source of black to keep replaying Mairsil, so Vivi (our only infinite mana generator) doesn't go the full distance by itself

[tawdry cave]

if we decide to include another infinite mana outlet, we should probably also find another infinite mana line

[compact trout]

Ifw e do iude another infinite mana outlet it should be playing double duty as something else, like staff of domination

[tawdry cave]

also agree

infinite mana is not our primary gameplan

that said staff of domination still feels like we have to jump through hoops for infinite mana

well, all we need is quicksilver and gilded lotus

but vivi is way better in a vacuum for also a 3-card combo with quicksilver

[compact trout]

I mean staff is an outlet while not under mairsil as well, our outlet doesn't have to be imprinted (though it still can be in this case)

[tawdry cave]

being its own outlet is nice though yeah

[tawdry cave]

and true, cards working both on and off mairsil is always nice

I guess putting in staff as it stands isn't a terrible idea because it's both an infinite mana generator (if imprinted) and an infinite mana outlet

[compact trout]

And an untapper for our fair plan

[tawdry cave]

Dreadsire? True, and Arcanis

[compact trout]

[[dreadsire]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/38/ulamogs-dreadsire

Ulamog's Dreadsire <:mana10:292901508851302400>

Creature — Eldrazi
Vigilance
Ward—Sacrifice a permanent with mana value 1 or greater.
: Create a 10/10 colorless Eldrazi creature token.
"A general is only as good as their army. Maybe Ulamog is a better leader than I thought." —Gideon Jura
10/10

[compact trout]

Yeah exactly

Dreadsire and arecanis

[tawdry cave]

I see you're endeavoring to misspell Arcanis in as many ways as possible

anyway, you've actually kind of convinced me to run staff

would have to see what we'd want to cut for it, though

[compact trout]

mmm

[tawdry cave]

hm do you think we care about saw in half being a vivi antisynergy

[compact trout]

Not really

I do think saw is a flex spot, but a strong card

[tawdry cave]

by the way I tried putting in Arid Mesa and Wooded Foothills (the Mountain/irrelevant type fetchlands) for more Anger consistency

any thoughts?

[compact trout]

We should probably have all the fetches tbh

I havent looked at the manabase much, but I doubt we want to be missing many

[tawdry cave]

we have 4 basics, gemstone caverns, city of brass/mana confluence, exotic orchard, the in-color fetches, the fetches I mentioned, Xander's Lounge (the triome), Ancient Tomb, command tower obviously, the shocklands, the original duals, the bondlands, the painlands, and Minamo (untapper)

[compact trout]

We should have a surveil land

[tawdry cave]

one exactly?

[compact trout]

Up to 2

Bit of a meta call

[tawdry cave]

how does the card selection compare with the fact that it enters tapped?

obviously surveil lands are better than usual in our deck but I'm not sure how much better

[compact trout]

Well

They're extremely good

Keep in mind vintage decks play 1-2 most of the time

And modern and legacy

The value of having a fetchable psuedo-cantrip cannot be understated

It makes your hands without a one drop less punished

[tawdry cave]

oh, I see

[compact trout]

You don't want too too many of course, because the tap land is a risk

[tawdry cave]

yeah, I do like tapped lands for that reason, just wasn't sure how they hold up in a format that is pseudo-Vintage

[compact trout]

But its a worthwhile risk

[tawdry cave]

(in terms of running tapped surveil/scry lands in Standard)

[tawdry cave]

how good do we think Mana Drain is in here?

should we cut it maybe

it's nice for ramping into a couple of things but I'm not sure how nice

I think we probably keep it for casting the mana artifacts

Merchant Scroll still seems a bit slow

Burning Inquiry seems only decent but the disruption to opponents' hands could be potentially hilarious so it's probably worth it

Kozilek is not a win condition but I feel like it's really nice utility

Ashling's Prerogative is less efficient than Anger and probably worse in terms of utility than Thousand-Year Elixir, but haste actually does matter

Splash Portal as a sorcery-speed blink is still not amazing but we end up using our effects at sorcery speed a lot of the time anyway

I think I do like Molten Duplication more though so we could look at replacing with Twinflame possibly

I'd probably be looking at cutting Merchant Scroll, Saw in Half, or Ashling's Prerogative for Staff of Domination?

Asmodeus is still hard to pay for but Gilded Lotus et cetera makes it quite easy and drawing seven cards is pretty nice

[tawdry cave]

I'll try cutting Merchant Scroll for now and see how that goes

I think being restricted to instants and not instants and sorceries like mystical tutor actually is a bit of a disadvantage

even if the primary purpose of merchant scroll is gifts and intuition

actually maybe not hm

also saw in half actually combos with dualcaster too

I guess I'll try cutting Ashling's?

giving all tokens haste is a bit bad

since we only have one token line

obviously doesn't matter if we win same turn but

same kind of issue as defense grid actually

okay, staff of domination is in and ashling's is out

still no defense grid currently

I guess mox diamond is still a maybe but I'm not sure there's a place to slot it in that would feel good

[tawdry cave]

oh, right, do we have any lines that win against etb preventers, or do we just cry?

I guess we have to interact with those

[compact trout]

https://moxfield.com/decks/QzX3oB0jdUeWDKLzfgBtlQ

[tawdry cave]

if I saw someone running these cards, I would be very apprehensive about what they were planning

I know you don't have any win conditions (yet) but I'm just intimidated

[compact trout]

Don't disrespect the god of secrets that way

[compact trout]

My current win con is a big rite of consumption + vecna and/or beat down, i'll be adding more of course

Maybe a little [[void mirror]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/242/void-mirror

Void Mirror <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Whenever a player casts a spell, if no colored mana was spent to cast it, counter that spell.
"A mirror does more than reflect reality—it shapes it." —Niko Aris

[compact trout]

not that one, the lifeswap one

[compact trout]

4C BEGINS

ATRAXA IS FIRST

IT IS LANDS WOAH

https://moxfield.com/decks/dCR4CALtL0K24fBljFzyNg

I'm going high-budget on this one for funsies

I will be making BIG MANA and playing BIG SPELLS

I intend to do this with secret commander [[omo, queen of vesuva]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/2/omo-queen-of-vesuva

Omo, Queen of Vesuva <:mana2:292901509060886528><:managu:292901509035851788>

Legendary Creature — Shapeshifter Noble
Whenever Omo enters or attacks, put an everything counter on each of up to one target land and up to one target creature.
Each land with an everything counter on it is every land type in addition to its other types.
Each nonland creature with an everything counter on it is every creature type.
1/5

[compact trout]

And many land tutors

I would love some suggestions for whacky big mana payoffs

And also maybe a good way to filter mana

[compact trout]

https://moxfield.com/decks/W5aqDdh_Vk6WgWBQ8IXqZQ

It begins

[crude crater]

Does [[Bake into a pie]] count or is that too morbid?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/169/bake-into-a-pie

Bake into a Pie <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target creature. Create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
"My secret ingredient? Well, I can't tell you that. But here's a hint. It's not love."

[compact trout]

I was on the fence about it honestly

Ill put it in for now, but ive got my eye on it

[timid marten]

[[shovel of decapitation]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/736/colossus-hammer

Colossus Hammer <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +10/+10 and loses flying.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"Ash, she's dead; we gotta bury her." —Scotty

[crude crater]

There’s so many cards in Magic that fit this, so it can definitely get removed

[timid marten]

What about [[creepy doll]] or such?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/isd/220/creepy-doll

Creepy Doll <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Indestructible
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a creature, flip a coin. If you win the flip, destroy that creature.
A child's porcelain doll went missing one night, as did a pair of kitchen shears and the town magistrate.
1/1

[compact trout]

I did stuffy doll, I think creepy doll might be a line too far

[crude crater]

[[Twitchy doll]]

[gray siren]

No card found for “Twitchy doll”

[timid marten]

All dolls are creepy

[compact trout]

In this deck its just a regular doll anyways

Its growing on me

[[cartographer]] this man has a job

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ody/232/cartographer

Cartographer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human
When this creature enters, you may return target land card from your graveyard to your hand.
"Finding the way once is luck. Finding the way twice takes a good map."
2/2

[timid marten]

[[expert level safe]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/133/expert-level-safe

Expert-Level Safe <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, exile the top two cards of your library face down.
, : You and target opponent each secretly choose 1, 2, or 3. Then those choices are revealed. If they match, sacrifice this artifact and put all cards exiled with it into their owners' hands. Otherwise, exile the top card of your library face down.

[timid marten]

He keeps his maps here

[crude crater]

Especially [[Arabella, Abandoned Doll]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/208/arabella-abandoned-doll

Arabella, Abandoned Doll <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Toy
Whenever Arabella attacks, it deals X damage to each opponent and you gain X life, where X is the number of creatures you control with power 2 or less.
Every night, Cori threw the unsettling doll away. Every morning, it was back on the shelf, its eyes following her every move.
1/3

[compact trout]

[[master chef]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/241/master-chef

Master Chef <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "This creature enters with an additional +1/+1 counter on it" and "Other creatures you control enter with an additional +1/+1 counter on them."
You never thought "rations" was an appropriate term for the feasts you prepare for your party.

[timid marten]

[[catalog]] maybe?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/soi/51/catalog

Catalog <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw two cards, then discard a card.
"The appearance of these warped stones throughout the provinces is too pervasive to be random. More evidence is needed to determine the reason behind them." —Tamiyo's journal

[compact trout]

Catalog is hilarious

[[archivist]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/60/archivist

Archivist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
: Draw a card.
"Sit down and read. Educate yourself for the coming conflicts." —Mary Harris "Mother" Jones
1/1

[compact trout]

This art makes me laugh

[timid marten]

Can't run [[gerrymandering]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ugl/59/gerrymandering

Gerrymandering <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Exile all lands. Give each player a number of those cards chosen at random equal to the number of those cards the player controlled. Each player returns those cards to the battlefield under their control.

[compact trout]

Whats it to you ass

[timid marten]

He's busy archiving, leave him alone

[compact trout]

I can do whatever I want

[[argivian archeologist]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/atq/1/argivian-archaeologist

Argivian Archaeologist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Artificer
, : Return target artifact card from your graveyard to your hand.
Fascinated by the lore of ancient struggles, the Archaeologist searches incessantly for remnants of an earlier, more powerful era.
1/1

[crude crater]

[[Bribery]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/77/bribery

Bribery <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Search target opponent's library for a creature card and put that card onto the battlefield under your control. Then that player shuffles.
"It seems your ticket is in order after all, ma'am."

[compact trout]

Look at this nerd

[timid marten]

[[!wayfarer's bauble|LTC|290]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/290/wayfarers-bauble

Wayfarer's Bauble

[compact trout]

[[devout harpist]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ulg/6/devout-harpist

Devout Harpist <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human
: Destroy target Aura attached to a creature.
The notes themselves are irrelevant. The music's effect, however, is worth ten armies.
1/1

[compact trout]

[[gwafa hazid, profiteer]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/223/gwafa-hazid-profiteer

Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
, : Put a bribery counter on target creature you don't control. Its controller draws a card.
Creatures with bribery counters on them can't attack or block.
"Everyone has a price."
2/2

[timid marten]

[[cooped up]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/8/cooped-up

Cooped Up <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature can't attack or block.
: Exile enchanted creature.
"Cold iron's all you need to hold a faerie. The charms are mostly decorative." —Eulyn, Edgewall peddler

[compact trout]

[[royal herbalist]] lmao

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/all/15a/royal-herbalist

Royal Herbalist <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
, Exile the top card of your library: You gain 1 life.
"Just as an Herbalist heals a wound, so must we heal the rift between Balduvia and Kjeldor." —King Darien of Kjeldor
1/1

[crude crater]

This might be another one of the morbid options but [[Murder investigation]] and [[Scene of the crime]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ori/27/murder-investigation

Murder Investigation <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature you control
When enchanted creature dies, create X 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens, where X is its power.
"Every death has a web of consequences. Our job is to find the spider."

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/267/scene-of-the-crime

Scene of the Crime

Artifact Land — Clue
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
, Tap an untapped creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
, Sacrifice this land: Draw a card.

[timid marten]

Anything that mentions royalty is a little off base imo

[compact trout]

The art is hilarious

[timid marten]

[[fraying line]] is a sweet card, and probably also fits

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/314/fraying-line

Fraying Line <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, put a rope counter on target creature you control.
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player may pay . If they do, they put a rope counter on a creature they control. Otherwise, exile this artifact and each creature without a rope counter on it, then remove all rope counters from all creatures.

[compact trout]

Its just like a man with a hookah

[timid marten]

Oh I didn't notice the hookah lmao

[compact trout]

That name is a miss I agree, but the art is just too much

I like murder investigation

[crude crater]

[[Grappling hook]]?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/212/grappling-hook

Grappling Hook <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has double strike.
Whenever equipped creature attacks, you may have target creature block it this turn if able.
Equip
Part tool, part weapon, part of the kor.

[compact trout]

[[graveyard shovel]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/isd/225/graveyard-shovel

Graveyard Shovel <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
, : Target player exiles a card from their graveyard. If it's a creature card, you gain 2 life.
Thanks to Havengul's thriving illegal market for corpses, the shovel that interred a body during the day is usually the same one digging it out at night.

[timid marten]

I'm looking at otag:tool

art:tool

[[heavy mattock]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/dka/150/heavy-mattock

Heavy Mattock <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1.
As long as equipped creature is a Human, it gets an additional +1/+1.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)

[compact trout]

art:tool seems sick

[timid marten]

[[intruder alarm]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/86/intruder-alarm

Intruder Alarm <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Creatures don't untap during their controllers' untap steps.
Whenever a creature enters, untap all creatures.
One footstep among many is silent. One footstep alone is deafening.

[compact trout]

i'm doing humans ending in ist and er right now

[timid marten]

art fails, but the name is good

[[entirely normal armchair]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/und/77/entirely-normal-armchair

Entirely Normal Armchair

Artifact
During your turn, if this card is in your hand, you may hide it on the battlefield.
: Return this artifact to its owner's hand. Only your opponents may activate this ability and only if they see this artifact.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Destroy target attacking creature.

[compact trout]

Thats too good

What was the other silver bordered card earlier

Im going to add both to the sideboard

[timid marten]

gerrymandering

[compact trout]

gerrymandering

Im going to buy this deck

Unironically

[timid marten]

🐐

[[rings a bell]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/und/27/rings-a-bell

Rings a Bell <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
As this enchantment enters, choose a word with four or more letters.
After you say the chosen word for the first time each turn, an opponent may ring or imitate a bell within five seconds. When no opponent does, draw a card.
Ding, ding, ding!

[compact trout]

Do we like the bobbleheads? I think they're cute

[timid marten]

[[musician]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/me2/56/musician

Musician <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Cumulative upkeep (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
: Put a music counter on target creature. If it doesn't have "At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy this creature unless you pay for each music counter on it," it gains that ability.
1/3

[timid marten]

I think they work. Our shut-in cartographer ordered a ton of them from temu.

[compact trout]

They're kind of the main character

[timid marten]

[[!talisman of impulse|who|0251]]

[gray siren]

No card found with with collector number “0251” in Doctor Who

[timid marten]

[[!talisman of impulse|who|251]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/251/talisman-of-impulse

Talisman of Impulse

[compact trout]

[[swiftfoot boots|PIP]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/242/swiftfoot-boots

Swiftfoot Boots <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has hexproof and haste. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control. It can attack and no matter when it came under your control.)
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"I don't need brakes. I usually find that if something stops me, it's interesting enough to stop for."

[timid marten]

Or [[swiftfoot boots|FIC]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/361/swiftfoot-boots

Swiftfoot Boots <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has hexproof and haste. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control. It can attack and no matter when it came under your control.)
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"You can gain all kinds of abilities by equipping relics." —South Figaro merchant

[timid marten]

He gets dressed up

[compact trout]

fic is better

[timid marten]

[[contraband livestock]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/12/contraband-livestock

Contraband Livestock <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Exile target creature, then roll a d20.
1—9 | Its controller creates a 4/4 green Ox creature token.
10—19 | Its controller creates a 2/2 green Boar creature token.
20 | Its controller creates a 0/1 white Goat creature token.

[timid marten]

City ordinance states he cannot own livestock within city limits

[compact trout]

We're already over 100 cards by the way

[timid marten]

Nice

[compact trout]

[[talisman of conviction|PIP]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/243/talisman-of-conviction

Talisman of Conviction <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
: Add .
: Add or . This artifact deals 1 damage to you.
Grognak. Silver Shroud. Manta Man. Mistress of Mystery. The Inspector. The heroes united together to become ... The Unstoppables.

[compact trout]

Fallout and who really coming in clutch

every fallout talisman is just a magazine lmao

[timid marten]

[[you're confronted by robbers]] maybe?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/53/youre-confronted-by-robbers

You're Confronted by Robbers <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Choose one —
• Stall for Time — Tap up to three target creatures.
• Call for Aid — Create three 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens.
Their only mistake was giving the bard time to speak.

[compact trout]

I think if one of the option names was funnier

Like how [[school daze]] has "do homework"

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/spm/42/school-daze

School Daze <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Choose one —
• Do Homework — Draw three cards.
• Fight Crime — Counter target spell. Draw a card.
"Peter possesses a brilliant scientific mind. It's a shame he can't grasp being on time." —Dr. Curt Connors

[compact trout]

Actually stall for time is pretty funny

[timid marten]

[[waste management]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/40/waste-management

Waste Management <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Exile up to two target cards from a single graveyard. If this spell was kicked, instead exile target player's graveyard. Create a 2/2 black Rogue creature token for each creature card exiled this way.

[compact trout]

We're curving out?

pogmaskreplica lmao

Where is that from

[timid marten]

I made it 🙂

[[boxing ring]] and [[threefold signal]] aren't quite household enough

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/91/boxing-ring

Boxing Ring <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact
Whenever a creature you control enters, it fights up to one target creature you don't control with the same mana value.
: Create a Treasure token. Activate only if you control a creature that fought this turn.

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/93/threefold-signal

Threefold Signal <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, scry 3.
Each spell you cast that's exactly three colors has replicate . (When you cast it, copy it for each time you paid its replicate cost. You may choose new targets for the copies. A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)

[compact trout]

I think they're pretty good

I think day-to-day stuff can count

[timid marten]

[[a little chat]]?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/47/a-little-chat

A Little Chat <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Casualty 1 (As you cast this spell, you may sacrifice a creature with power 1 or greater. When you do, copy this spell.)
Look at the top two cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the other on the bottom of your library.

[compact trout]

A little chat is good

Plus it keeps us on curve

Thank god

[[stoic builder]] this guy is pretty funny

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/soi/231/stoic-builder

Stoic Builder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human
When this creature enters, you may return target land card from your graveyard to your hand.
Some have returned to Hollowhenge, the ruins of Avabruck, to restore the lost capital of Kessig.
2/3

[timid marten]

[[slip out the back]] is good, but maybe a bit fantastical

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/clu/99/slip-out-the-back

Slip Out the Back <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. It phases out. (Treat it and anything attached to it as though they don't exist until its controller's next turn.)
"I was never here."

[compact trout]

Its borderline

I would include it if I wasnt already 20 over

I moved the dolls to considering for now

[timid marten]

[[jackhammer]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/111/jackhammer

Jackhammer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"Subtlety is overrated." —Mr. Orfeo, the Boulder

[timid marten]

[[chainsaw]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/128/chainsaw

Chainsaw <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, it deals 3 damage to up to one target creature.
Whenever one or more creatures die, put a rev counter on this Equipment.
Equipped creature gets +X/+0, where X is the number of rev counters on this Equipment.
Equip

[timid marten]

[[suspicious bookcase]]

[compact trout]

niiice

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/95/suspicious-bookcase

Suspicious Bookcase <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Wall
Defender
, : Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
Survivors hungry for knowledge sometimes find, to their surprise, that knowledge is hungry for survivors.
0/4

[timid marten]

[[ominous parcel]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/241/ominous-parcel

Ominous Parcel <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: It deals 4 damage to target creature.
The rest of Anhelo's assistant arrived over the following week.

[timid marten]

[[dream cache]] is funny

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/c18/88/dream-cache

Dream Cache <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Draw three cards, then put two cards from your hand both on top of your library or both on the bottom of your library.
Dreams' riches are easily spent. —Suq'Ata adage

[compact trout]

Dream cache is pretty funn

Got it to a baseline 100

https://moxfield.com/decks/W5aqDdh_Vk6WgWBQ8IXqZQ

[timid marten]

[[campfire]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/374/campfire

Campfire <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
, : You gain 2 life.
, , Exile this artifact: Put all commanders you own from the command zone and from your graveyard into your hand. Then shuffle your graveyard into your library.

[timid marten]

What a deck

[compact trout]

Its actually beautiful

My second exhibition/bracket 1 deck, sheds a tear

[timid marten]

[compact trout]

I cant

Do you have an emote for the shaggs too

[timid marten]

I don't

[compact trout]

You should

Thats my pal foot foot right there

[timid marten]

[[saw]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/254/saw

Saw <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0.
Whenever equipped creature attacks, you may sacrifice a permanent other than that creature or this Equipment. If you do, draw a card.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)

[compact trout]

Thoughts on the name?

[timid marten]

lol

[[sharpened pitchfork]]

Tools aren't as good as it seemed they should be

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddq/32/sharpened-pitchfork

Sharpened Pitchfork <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has first strike.
As long as equipped creature is a Human, it gets +1/+1.
Equip
Not everyone can have a sword of blessed silver. Not everyone needs one, either.

[compact trout]

Tools have been pretty good for this deck tbh

[timid marten]

[[strong back]] lol

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/83/strong-back

Strong Back <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Equip abilities you activate that target enchanted creature cost less to activate.
Aura spells you cast that target enchanted creature cost less to cast.
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 for each Aura and Equipment attached to it.

[timid marten]

Can't be our cartographer

He's middle aged

[compact trout]

Perhaps our young archivist

Or our [[damage control crew]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/spm/99/damage-control-crew

Damage Control Crew <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Citizen
When this creature enters, choose one —
• Repair — Return target card with mana value 4 or greater from your graveyard to your hand.
• Impound — Exile target artifact or enchantment.
"We got two hours until Spidey's webbing dissolves. I need engineers on-site now."
3/3

[timid marten]

Perhaps

[[middle school]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/27/vault-75:-middle-school

Vault 75: Middle School <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Exile all creatures with power 4 or greater.
II, III — Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.

[compact trout]

hahahaha

[timid marten]

Could use all the lord of the rings map lands

[compact trout]

At this point i'm cutting it if either the name or the art is off, sorry WHO talisman

Which mpa lands

[timid marten]

fake maps, but maps nonetheless

[compact trout]

Oh yeah these are perfect

[timid marten]

[[world map]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/270/world-map

World Map <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Search your library for a land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
And so their quest began.

[timid marten]

[[mulch]] maybe?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/189/mulch

Mulch <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Reveal the top four cards of your library. Put all land cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
"Tread carefully. You remember what happened in the last quiet, peaceful clearing." —Halana, to Alena

[timid marten]

[[!mulch|ISD|196]]

[compact trout]

I think if there was the right art for mulch

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/isd/196/mulch

Mulch

[compact trout]

Thats pretty good

[[mulch|sth]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/sth/110/mulch

Mulch <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Reveal the top four cards of your library. Put all land cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
Hope is the one crop that can grow in any climate.

[timid marten]

[[carrot cake]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/7/carrot-cake

Carrot Cake <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact — Food
When this artifact enters and when you sacrifice it, create a 1/1 white Rabbit creature token and scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)
, , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.
"Secret ingredient? What do you think?" —Ms. Bumbleflower

[timid marten]

[[midnight snack]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/65/midnight-snack

Midnight Snack <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Raid — At the beginning of your end step, if you attacked this turn, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
, Sacrifice this enchantment: Target opponent loses X life, where X is the amount of life you gained this turn.

[compact trout]

I've got carrot cake

Midnight snack is great

[timid marten]

[[frazzled editor]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/unh/77/frazzled-editor

Frazzled Editor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Bureaucrat
Protection from wordy (Something is wordy if it has four or more lines of rules text.)
The pen is mightier than the sword.
2/2

[compact trout]

The penis

[timid marten]

https://tenor.com/view/penis-gif-20305526

[crude crater]

[[Book of Rass]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/me4/183/book-of-rass

Book of Rass <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
, Pay 2 life: Draw a card.

[compact trout]

I wish [[iridescent tiger]] was legendary, could bethe commander

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/109/iridescent-tiger

Iridescent Tiger <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Cat
When this creature enters, if you cast it, add .
The power of the dragonstorms transformed not only the land but many of the creatures within it.
3/4

[timid marten]

You could honestly make it 3 color or fewer if you can find the right commander

[compact trout]

Yeah

I can always inject +10 cards in talismans and bobbleheads worst case

Im looking around at commanders, trying to see if one does jump out at me

Could even be partner I suppose

[timid marten]

[[The regalia]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/267/the-regalia

The Regalia <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Haste
Whenever The Regalia attacks, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a land card. Put that card onto the battlefield tapped and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Crew 1
4/4

[compact trout]

lol

who needs colors

[timid marten]

Most things are colorless artifacts, yeah lol

[crude crater]

I’ll keep looking if you’re wanting something that’s actually useful for this but [[Tom Bombadil]] has “look at this stick I found!” energy

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/234/tom-bombadil

Tom Bombadil <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — God Bard
As long as there are four or more lore counters among Sagas you control, Tom Bombadil has hexproof and indestructible.
Whenever the final chapter ability of a Saga you control resolves, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a Saga card. Put that card onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn.
4/4

[compact trout]

I was actually thinking tom too

[crude crater]

I mean his effects will likely never be used but that’s not really the point I suppose

[compact trout]

he grants me the ability to just call him 'tom' the whole time, which is quite funny

[crude crater]

Not a whole lot of commanders that truly fit the “this item exists irl” theme unfortunately

[[Infinite Guideline Station]] is something humanity will probably never accomplish but it’s close…ish…kinda?

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/219/infinite-guideline-station

Infinite Guideline Station <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Artifact — Spacecraft
When Infinite Guideline Station enters, create a tapped 2/2 colorless Robot artifact creature token for each multicolored permanent you control.
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery. It's an artifact creature at 12+.)
STATION 12+
Flying
Whenever Infinite Guideline Station attacks, draw a card for each multicolored permanent you control.
7/15

[timid marten]

[[gold pan]]

[gray siren]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/242/gold-pan

Gold Pan <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Equipped creature gets +1/+1.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)