#Y'shtola Communal Brewing

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fervent burrow
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We have Sheoldred at home

high vine
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then again Terferi's Ageless Insight is also really good in the deck 🤔

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Blessing of Leeches sounds also really good. Almost like a gift of immortality, just a lot cheaper

fervent burrow
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with flash!

wide quiver
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And Rebecca Guay art!

high vine
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anyway how good is valley floodcaller btw. for the deck?

fervent burrow
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I like the idea of flash. I've yet to avtually find it in a game

umbral ruin
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Jesus the difference

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How do I compare like that

fervent burrow
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When a deck is open, in the top right there is a compare button. If youre signed in it'll add a drop down for all of your decks

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It's also really nice when you filter by card types/categories...

daring oriole
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i'm running [[leyline of anticipation]] and considering swapping it for valley floodcaller but i really like the flexibility of being able to flash in stuff before my untap step with mana i had up for protection that didnt get used

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
daring oriole
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I wouldnt know what to cut out right now

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i have a feeling it might be one of my creatures but im so stubborn to keep [[Lyse hext]] and [[emet-selch of the third seat]]

surreal shoalBOT
daring oriole
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actually maybe i'd get rid of [[mindsplice app]]

surreal shoalBOT
daring oriole
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what are yall thoughts on [[blind obidience]] and [[authority of the consuls]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Love them

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I run both

daring oriole
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I like the amount of stale they both provide but i don't use the extort function that much but i also like the idea that artifacts also come in tapped so artifact ramp spells slow down

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actually i talked myself into BO

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But consuls against a token deck with aetherflux res on the board....?!

wide quiver
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Treasures also come in tapped, which can be huge

daring oriole
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Completely forgot about that, i'm back on the BO train

compact vine
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Multiversal Passage is a shocking flavour win for Y’shtola haha

daring oriole
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Multiversal Passage is just a single color shock land right?

compact vine
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Yep

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I just meant in name alone

maiden widget
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That turn on check lands and verges

lusty igloo
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I got bolas top today and lost. I fkn threw.

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advice: don't cast cards oyu dont need to kill on the same turn. That includes super tempting cards like tandem lookout. Play it slow and think, and prioritze killing any pingers before continuing on.

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I did some testing and verified afterwards that in the exact scenario i was in (~20+ life, leftover mana, enemey has 30+ life), it should still win on the spot more than 80% of the time. but it needs some skill and thinking. and I failed to perform today

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played stupid cards like rest in peace for no reason

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i died from a 1 life difference

near birch
daring oriole
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i havent been able to pull off the aetherflux/bolas/top combo yet but lately i've just been winning off infect if i had enough mana or delney in the mix

daring oriole
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[[fated clash]] thoughts?

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “fated clash”

daring oriole
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wait is it a leak if it was revealed...? i don't wanna get in trouble

green vigil
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Some cards were featured at magicon

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But I dont see a fated clash

maiden widget
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The pip hurts

elder lagoon
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These are all the lorwyn preview that could possibly be in yshtola

covert shard
daring oriole
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yeah ' 3';

umbral ruin
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I don’t hate it

elder lagoon
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It’s like single combat but better

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Wait..

wide quiver
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Wait I love that card

elder lagoon
daring oriole
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Yeah bc it reads an opponent not the current attacking/blocking one

wide quiver
lusty igloo
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Currently tinkering with philosophy of my deck. https://moxfield.com/decks/0M7zQR70fkazl12Te6bQLQ

My deck is heavily reliant on Y'shtola herself, and protecting her when she's online with curiosities. The thing is it becomes really bipolar - when Y'shtola is safe and curiosity is successfully cast, I'll win. If I can't get there, there is a 75% chance I'm losing the game. Tutors are mainly for getting curiosities more than half the time.

I'm wondering if I should offlift some of the focus from Y'shtola into other forms of draw, even though (but rather, precisely because) they are less efficient. The main things I have in mind are either fast draw (stock up, maybe dig through time, or one mana instant ones), or long-term draw engines like Rhystic Study, Mystic Remora, or Esper Sentinel. Not sure which is better.

My deck is still doing relatively well at 38W - 22L but I've been struggling in higher skilled pods with heavy interaction. I don't have enough interaction for the whole table. Recently, on t6 I cast Helm of the Ghastlord, and within the same turn cycle I had to use Misdirection, Offer you can't refuse, Swan Song, AND Restoration Magic and my y'shtola still got bounced to my hand killing the curiosity effect. Needless to say with all those resources burnt before helm resolved, I did not win that game.

Moxfield
>:3c - Commander (Y'shtola, Night's Blessed)

A deck created using Moxfield.

lusty igloo
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from esper discord:

I'm going to add more non-yshtola draw options into my deck so that I can survive my cat being targetted. Going to add a set of draw engines in rhystic study, esper sentinel, and mystic remora. I'm also adding some fast draw with stock up and Consult the Star Charts. Open to other suggestions. Just basically have ways to stay in the game if I can't get y'shtola + curiosity to resolve.

With that I have to say goodbye to bolas + top. I still think the combo is potent with Y'shtola on the board, but because it requires Y'shtola unless you already have a finisher (Papalymo/Sheoldred), it's yet another Y'shtola reliant card that needs two pieces rather than just one (curiosity). And at 6 mana it's just unrealistic hard to assemble or play sometimes, and is dead in an opening hand. I'm also removing giver of runes but am unsure what my other two cuts are

high vine
near birch
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MagicCon upgrade:3

lusty igloo
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I mean grats!!

compact vine
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Man, I just have the nonfoil T_T

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I wonder if there are sleeves that make your card look foil >_>

umbral ruin
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Yeah, I won't be able to afford that for a long while

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Weren't they reprinting ff?

lusty igloo
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I’ve decided to part ways with one of my boardwipes. I’m between three options currently… [[slaughter the strong]], [[farewell]], and [[promise of loyalty]]

Which of these have been the least impactful for y’all?

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
lusty igloo
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Is anyone on Sygg and Talion? Who’s better for card draw for their mana value? Does Talion rly draw more cards?

desert sequoia
lusty igloo
desert sequoia
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That's the thing - I've never played Sygg, but considered it multiple times

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what I can tell you is that Talion is insane

lusty igloo
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Blind leading the blind

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2 or 3

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Or look at commanders n guess?

desert sequoia
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2 or guess

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If you think they're running 3 cmc removal and you suspect they wanna use it on Talion, calling 3 is always nice

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then you hit them with the Spell Pierce

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(e.g. Orzhov is almost always on Anguished Unmaking or Vindicate)

lusty igloo
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[[consult the star charts]] this card looks genuinely good

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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It is quite good. Instant speed and, quite literally, scales with the game length. Only shame is its almost bad early enough since it is forced against land count

orchid olive
lusty igloo
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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if you dont have the means to tutor for the best of htem every time (usually curiosity), which we dont in our bracket, then you need the redudancy.

desert sequoia
compact vine
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Helm of the Ghastlord is the other

grim perch
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My shell is a lot more punishing hands and controlling

fervent burrow
fervent burrow
umbral ruin
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I keep both in the deck

umbral ruin
compact vine
urban haven
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thoughts about Lier, Disciple of the Drowned?

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fervent burrow
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I want to counter, unfortunately

wide quiver
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^

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I flashback my counterspell!

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Wait...

keen grail
urban haven
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to be fair

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y'shtola just needs to cast the spells, they dont need to connect ;)

keen grail
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not really a good reason to turn off 6+ cards in my list

lusty igloo
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@umbral ruin @compact vine blehhh i rly like my farewell proxy. i guess i'll play the better card....

lusty igloo
umbral ruin
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I’m on
[[the eternal wanderer]]
[[slaughter the strong]]
[[promise of loyalty]]
[[toxic deluge]]

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/one/11/the-eternal-wanderer

The Eternal Wanderer <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker
No more than one creature can attack The Eternal Wanderer each combat.
+1: Exile up to one target artifact or creature. Return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of that player's next end step.
0: Create a 2/2 white Samurai creature token with double strike.
−4: For each player, choose a creature that player controls. Each player sacrifices all creatures they control not chosen this way.
Loyalty: 5

umbral ruin
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For board wipes

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And I’m prolly dropping toxic deluge soon

wide quiver
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toxic deluge is so good

umbral ruin
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It is 😭

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Also consider the instant speed board wipe [[final showdown]]

surreal shoalBOT
near birch
urban haven
green vigil
daring oriole
surreal shoalBOT
daring oriole
daring oriole
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[[Emet-Selch of the Third Seat]]

surreal shoalBOT
near birch
wide quiver
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Yeah emet is so good

lusty igloo
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Day 1: esper sentinel did ok (2 cards) on turn 1. Drew 0 in the late game on the second game.

Mystic remora drew only one early game, but drew inordinate amounts (6-7) late game for just two mana

Keeping remora for good. Keeping an eye out on esper

void grove
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They aren't as busted in bracket 3 games as they are in high power

lusty igloo
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people tell me im stupid but im pretty sure esper sentinel is a drop

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I’m also testing the waters with Talion, but might move to either Sygg or just back to insight. Or screw it just put back the boardwipe I took out

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Why is this card in lots of lists: [[Archaeomancer's Map]]

surreal shoalBOT
void grove
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ignoring the fact that its a 3 mana noncreature spell, it is the best ramp white has

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and offers repeatable land ramp in esper colours which is otherwise unavailable

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It's one of the best cards in white

high vine
lusty igloo
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Land tax makes u have to run basics

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Which u don’t wanna run

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Smothering tithe is not land ramp

lusty igloo
# void grove It's a realy good card

My problem is besides vs green players, I don’t see it being just one extra land. Like you’ll get one land for not going first, then afterwards people must have otherwisedr played extra lands aka green. And ATP I’d rather just run [[Insight]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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If we’re doing hard meta calls on green being in the pod

desert sequoia
surreal shoalBOT
high vine
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yeah I considered the combo with lotus field too and some of the land untappers in my build

compact vine
void grove
compact vine
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There’s usually at least one green player in any given pod as well

wide quiver
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Archaeomancer's map is great

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Catch-up ramp is second to actual ramp, but still 2nd

compact vine
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I likely would’ve thrown it in even if it wasn’t in the precon

near birch
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I was playing in a pod at Magicon against Sephiroth, Kefka and Queen Marchesa and I gotta say [[cartographer's Hawk]] is beautiful in control decks. It works well when you're not in a hurry in the early game.

surreal shoalBOT
pulsar crownBOT
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Long May She Reign! :crown:

wide quiver
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[[deepgnome terramancer]] is great too

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Your fetchlands are my fetchlands

grim perch
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So I'm sticking to keep mine in B2

urban haven
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Wierd question, would giving Y'shtola Infect cause her ability trigger to add poison? (Thinking of randomly tossing on [[grafted exoskeleton]] )

surreal shoalBOT
urban haven
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Would instantly make her a massive target more than she already would be, lol

fervent burrow
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Yes it does

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Same with lifelink and other effects that dont specify combat damage (curiosity...)

urban haven
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5 spells and win the game, lol

daring oriole
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i learned this the hard way but infect doesn't work like toxic ; -;

compact vine
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[[slip out the back]]

surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
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…Yeah I’mma need to add this

grim perch
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You can use [[virulent swipe]]

surreal shoalBOT
grim perch
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Wait no

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[[tainted strike]]

surreal shoalBOT
grim perch
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Nasty when combined with [[giggling skitterspike]]

surreal shoalBOT
void grove
grim perch
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Giving that thing infect is horrible

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For more fun use [[Coalition Flag]] and a [[Spellskite]] for exile spells

surreal shoalBOT
grim perch
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Or [[agatha’s soul cauldron]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
fervent burrow
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Sure it do

lusty igloo
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oops

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i thougth they asked if it was worth it

compact vine
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Ew, fuck infect

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I’d like to keep my friends

near birch
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I love infect 🙂

umbral ruin
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Getting tithe out early feels amazing

wide quiver
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Yep. Who knew it was broken!

umbral ruin
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Frrr

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First game I actually ever saw tithe

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Crazy that you won’t see half your cards in a normal game

umbral ruin
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Okay would
It be crazy to replace [[spark double]] with [[chameleon master of disguise]]

surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
compact vine
umbral ruin
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I already have other copy people

void grove
void grove
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I've not ever seen a yshtola win yet

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Seems super slow and remove her a few times and she's just dead in the water

compact vine
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I’ve won multiple times >_>

void grove
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I just mean like, every time I've seen a yshtola played it gets removed before it gets to do much and the lack of ramp means it's hard to play back

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It's such a commander focused commander that it's hard to win or keep going without her

near birch
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I've yet to run into that myself. I play most of the white creature catch up ramp, so that's personally helped me a ton. And my protection spells have saved me time and time again.

void grove
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I just ordered the surge foil precon so

lusty igloo
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She's more than fine lol. Just pack protection, and alleviate the dependency on her by using self-sufficient engines such as rhystic or remora, or other means or card draw. Mother/Giver/dpellskitr early can protect her immediately

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I'd also run reanimate

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Procs yshtola end of turn for 1 mana revives her

void grove
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but if it gets countered shes stuck in the gy

lusty igloo
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She's not absurdly broken but I'm still 42W-22L in high b3

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You can run lots of free protection, and fee people are countering Yshtola on t3

void grove
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every time I've faced your yshtola you havent managed to do much

lusty igloo
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Usually people are doing their own thing setting up

void grove
lusty igloo
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Eh sometimes it happens. I'm getting better and my decks are getting better

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I've only recently made my deck independent of yshtola

void grove
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Nice

lusty igloo
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My old deck was all in on curiosity

void grove
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I think thats the way

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yeah I remember

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curiosity yshtola is a removal magnet

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alone shes fine

lusty igloo
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But as I said above, that strategy just makes the deck fall apart without curiosity or in high interaction pods

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Adding rhystic mystic remora and five other draw engines has made my deck a lot more robust

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I took out bolas top combo

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She's strong but not broken. I recently made a Ral b3 deck and it wins on t1-t3 80% of games and can survive interaction

void grove
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yeah thats not a b3 deck then

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thats a cedh deck with 3 game changers

lusty igloo
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Yeah ik I'm moving it to b4 after just two games

lusty igloo
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It's been working well

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Except esper sentinel. I think that guy is a fraud lmao

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But I'll keep testing

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Is anyone on digtthough time or treasure cruise? How hard is it to delve?

void grove
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Esper sentinal is great

lusty igloo
# void grove Esper sentinal is great

I dunno. I don't think he's great in b3. Dead draw later in game, early game because lower bracket much less interaction and much higher creature density. In addition to greedy ramp stats being common. All make me feel like he's not worth it in b3

near birch
desert sequoia
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added [[Shadow of the Second Sun]] to my meme build

surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
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Because my deck isn't intending to pay 6 mana for it, it's probably not worth it unless your strategy is also "anyway here's every enchantment in my graveyard"

high vine
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feel like he is a lot better for decks that have ways to increase its power

compact vine
surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/fic/6/tifa-martial-artist

Tifa, Martial Artist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Melee (Whenever this creature attacks, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each opponent you attacked this combat.)
Whenever one or more creatures you control with power 7 or greater deal combat damage to a player, untap all creatures you control. If it's the first combat phase of your turn, there is an additional combat phase after this phase.
4/4

keen grail
compact vine
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Oh I didn’t see the end step bit

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Was gonna say because of all the extra combats, I’d effectively just get infinite turns

umbral ruin
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idk about yall but im at like a 90% win rate with the catgirl

lusty igloo
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Anyone else successfully dig through timing or just too hard to fill grave

lusty igloo
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Probably will need to withhold playing Yshtola against weaker pods and players

high vine
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Yeah Yshtola in Most cases will stomp some randomly throen together Tribal Deck. Thinks get a bit Harder when you see Tymna/Thrassios 😂

lusty igloo
high vine
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In B3 no, If the Deck is build for B3 😂

lusty igloo
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I just think the partners don't come with enough firepower on their own like Ral, Winota, or Kinnan to be terrors in b3 no matter how they're built

umbral ruin
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Its been an interesting mix

high vine
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Played vs Rograth/Ardenn once though. That Deck was nasty 😅

lusty igloo
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Is time twister any good 💀

lusty igloo
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ngl no troll it looks mid even tho its power 9

desert sequoia
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Fast Mana into it then un-mull their mulligans

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But yes, ultimately it's no ancestral recall or timewalk

keen grail
desert sequoia
compact vine
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My Tifa deck is also just loaded with extra combat cards

umbral ruin
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How do we feel about [[orims chant]]

surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
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Kind of a dick move

keen grail
surreal shoalBOT
keen grail
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[[Silence]] is the better option, but we're not really a combo deck by design so we don't need a quiet turn too often.

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Trying to fit [[papalymo]] into my deck

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Idk what to cut

wide quiver
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Papalymo Totolymo 🤌

umbral ruin
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I need that secondary shtola for bolas when my opponents actually work together

umbral ruin
lusty igloo
lusty igloo
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Gegagidiagao

umbral ruin
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Maybe time to drop show and tell

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At the advice of literally everyone

lusty igloo
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😭

wide quiver
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Completely reasonable

void grove
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What alt win cons are yall running if yshtola gets blown up too many times?

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I feel like mine is still too catgirl dependent

desert sequoia
surreal shoalBOT
green vigil
keen grail
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If you're playing her in b4, sure, but then I am not sure if you'd be asking if you want to play Orim's Chant to begin with.

elder lagoon
void grove
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I guess Kambal and Talion are decent burners

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maybe Sheoldred

umbral ruin
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[[Papalymo]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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you get bolas out and top you just win no?

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You go neutral on life loss and gain and burn out the table

wide quiver
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What do you mean neutral on life loss?

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[[sensei's divining top]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Oh yeah

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Since you just cast divining top over and over

void grove
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I guess top, bolas papa

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I dont run top or citadel tho

umbral ruin
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I do

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:p

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I like bolas

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(Totally not cause I got Kefka tower in a pack)

fervent burrow
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How do you gain life from casting top repeatedly

void grove
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I have like 4 copies of bolas citadel

fervent burrow
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Without other permanents beside bolas

void grove
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but havent been able to put in a deck

umbral ruin
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Reading the card explains that card

fervent burrow
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Oh i missed you said papa bolas and sensie

wide quiver
umbral ruin
wide quiver
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It's the law to do a horrible Italian accent

void grove
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My surge foil yshtola precon just arrived

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Which I only wanted so I could get a surge foil Hermes

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To build Hermes

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Really hard to make cuts to hermes though

umbral ruin
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Who dat

void grove
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[[hermes, overseer of elpis]]

surreal shoalBOT
void grove
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Power crept [talrand sky summoner]]

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[[talrand sky summoner]]

surreal shoalBOT
void grove
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It's my attempt at a slightly controlly deck (13 counterspells!)

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Y'shtola might get made after

umbral ruin
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It’s so busted 😭

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It’s hard to build a bad Eluge list

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The Eluge discord is kinda nuts

wide quiver
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I just built my eluge in paper

void grove
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I have eluge in the 99

umbral ruin
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Depending the bracket the win cons change

wide quiver
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That's a penis

keen grail
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A pepenis even

elder lagoon
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We don’t allow Pepe imagery here due to its ties to alt right hate groups. Also this one is particularly weird

umbral ruin
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Oh my apologies

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Wait ties to alt right hate groups!?

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Tf has Pepe been up to

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Oh man just read up on it

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That sucks

wide quiver
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A little off the beaten path, but mostly in the late 10s

umbral ruin
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Welp you learn something new everyday

desert sequoia
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Weird period of time. I think Pepe's creator wanted to reclaim it afterwards too.

umbral ruin
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Who knew if you got giver of runes, swift foot boots and spells kite that you’d be immune to spot removal

lusty igloo
# fervent burrow How do you gain life from casting top repeatedly

with y'shtola you have over a 80% chance of winning over 50 sample size with bolas + top + y'hstola with the following rules

no starting mana
no cards in hand
20 starting life
40 dmg to win
in my deck my finishers are sheoldred/papalymo
stabilizers are irenicus/quantumn misalignment
rituals are unwind and frantic search

it's a combo worth considering. i took it out cuz it relies on y'hstola, but both top and bolas are good enough to operate on their own outside of combo

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it's fun to pilot and non-trivial... pilot error can make or break games

void grove
lusty igloo
lusty igloo
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ok im keeping esper sentinel

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synergizes nicely with delney. i drew 6 cards from it last game from a t1 esper

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im dropping talion for [[trouble in pairs]] which i think is better. but i have no proof having played neitehr of them before. it just looks better

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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trying out [[replenish]]

surreal shoalBOT
near birch
lusty igloo
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heavy enough

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I think I'm taking out rest in peace and giving up on the aristocrats matchup completely. just going to avoid playing vs them. adding animate dead and replenish makes rest in peace a anti-synergy that's too annoying

i actually took out sigil of sleep. think it's a bit winmore and doesn't get me closer to winning the game

lusty igloo
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thought about it in the shower and i cant give up rest in peace. im just opening too much degen graveyard shit. heathrull matchup (who i usually lose to unless its a precon in disguise) is gonna get even worse, my cousin's underworld breach (in b3...) is gonna get even harder to deal with. idk. i hav e to take the risk even tho RIP anti-synergizes with: bloodchief ascension, reaniamte, replenish, and animate dead. idk it started out as an anti-aristocrats card, but i think i need it overall just cuz graveyard stuff is both omni-prevalant but also hard to deal with w/o targeted cards

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also i think sigil of sleep isnt worth ti. makes y'shtola a massive target while not really putting you closer to victory, and unlike a resolved curiosity, you cant dig for more protection and interaction with sigil

lusty igloo
desert sequoia
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[[!Sigil of Sleep]]

surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
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maybe? If I'm returning creatures i'm probs dead anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯

wide quiver
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Seems very strong tbh

near birch
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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[[szat's will]] is also good gy hate

surreal shoalBOT
void grove
surreal shoalBOT
void grove
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It's lifegain, aristocrats denial and weird pseudo reanimator all in one

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The mana reduction bit is just a nice bit on top

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Or run instant speed graveyard hate

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Which is less telegraphed

lusty igloo
lusty igloo
#

d1: replenish is not good.....

daring oriole
#

alpha, how often are you able to flip unstableglyph?

void grove
fervent burrow
umbral ruin
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In English please

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😭

lusty igloo
lusty igloo
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[[$replenish]]

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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We have replenish at home with [[retether]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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im trying [[pact of negation]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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i swear this thing doesnt look bad

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am i stupid

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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oops

void grove
lusty igloo
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and smothering and a lot of others. not sure PI_snugtsun

void grove
lusty igloo
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bro one game i pacted, and i drew before untapping and some guy yelled "U SKIPPED UR UPKEEP UR DEAD"

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the others convinced him to let it go

void grove
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Even in a cedh game that would have been fine, the trigger goes on the stack the moment it is remembered

lusty igloo
#

rly? i think in tournament that marks u as dead

void grove
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Nah it goes on the stack as soon as it's remembered

keen grail
lusty igloo
#

thoughts on [[moat]] ?

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
#

i think flying doesnt matter cuz optimally they'll attack u last and pick off hte others first? or maybe the dragons player still views u as a threat and attacks u?

lusty igloo
#

maybe this is where politicing matters

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less draws cuz less combat dmg does that matter

keen grail
lusty igloo
#

i question propaganda in b4, and im not 100% sure solitary confinement is even worth it anymore

keen grail
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I'm a bigger fan of propaganda, ghostly prison, and sphere of safety first as they are solid walls. Solitary is amazing as long as you have protection for it.

lusty igloo
#

sphere of safety costs too much to me

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moat is much harder defense right than propaganda?

keen grail
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Agreed, I would just consider it before Moat in most cases since you can get around Moat.

lusty igloo
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im just not srue as non-pillowfort i lose lots of draws per turn cycle

keen grail
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Moat is softer depending on what you are playing against

lusty igloo
#

im assuming most dekcs dont have flhying

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which i think is true

keen grail
#

I would assume most decks have flying in the right colours

lusty igloo
#

but would the flyers attack me if im protecting them from the non-flyer players

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i am still playing y'shtola

keen grail
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Maybe

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I would

lusty igloo
#

grrrr

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(i would too)

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i'll try it out

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take out the stupid animate dead

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ill report back how it goes

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the more it hink on it, the worse it seems. i think people will just sit there building huge armies, while any creature removal is gonna go on my cat since im sitting here doing noncombat damage to everyone. and the second it's gone im getting swung at by 3 angry people

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and i think losing the draw from combats actually hurts

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should i still try it out?

keen grail
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[[Moonshaker Cavalry]] is the main reason I feel it wont stop the pain

surreal shoalBOT
keen grail
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I realize it is a single colour of 5, but any white creature deck I am going to assume is packing this guy these days to bypass moat.

lusty igloo
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hmmm. maybe if i think of the card as a worse solitary confinement where i tutor for it when i have curiosity and stuff already setup?

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ok im going to have to playtest it in person

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nvm i think it's trash

near birch
keen grail
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Likely getting it down before having a consistent engine to fuel it or getting it removed early. Otherwise it is fantastic imo. ( possibly too strong for lower power tables. )

high vine
#

Solitary saved my ass a couple of times. Recently played against a Zurgo deck and my pod did not have any proper enchantment removal it was quite hillarious how long they could do nothing too me 😂

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Its kinda amazing seeing 3 people with a lack of enchantment removal argue on how to remove one troublesome one on my side 😅

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also man I ❤️ my Yshtola deck. Like every game I win, feels like a long winded plan that pays off over multiple turns as all opponents burn down. 😅
Like it does not feel as random or lucky as many other decks 😂

wide quiver
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Control baybeeee

near birch
lusty igloo
umbral ruin
#

Man these blood artist decks hurt

lusty igloo
#

lifegain is annoying for us. edicts are backbreaking. boardwiping/counterspell doesnt hurt them since their graveyard is their second hand. life loss goes through solitary confinement. etc.

void grove
#

taps on darkness crystal

near birch
lusty igloo
keen grail
#

rarely, but sometimes. Attack focused decks are rarer and most of the time if you're being attacked in b4 it's by 1-2 creatures to trigger attack procs that will cause massive harm in some way.

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Most of the time I find they just end up stopping you from dying to a creature-infinite like Dualcaster Mage + clone spell

near birch
daring oriole
#

[[dauthi voidwalker]]?

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Very good card

umbral ruin
#

I run it

lusty igloo
#

me too

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i'd run it even if i gave up on aristo

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so good and flexible

umbral ruin
#

Hold on, so [[yshtola rhul]] doubles our card draw on our turn effectively?

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
#

Yeah

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6 mana is very steep though

fervent burrow
#

[[Teferi ageless insight]] accomplishes the same goal while being cheaper, mor synergistic, and harder to remove

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
#

Downside- less Yshtola

wide quiver
#

^^

compact vine
#

Y’shtola Rhul also combos insanely well with Fandaniel

near birch
#

That goes does well on curve. I don't personally play either of them but that seems pretty good.

wide quiver
#

5 mana then 6 mana is a loooot to be spending on creatures though

keen grail
#

Yeah that's at least three Yshtola procs you have to give up

vital steppe
#

especially when fandaniel is a funny card to drop right after a boardwipe

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on curvz he doesn't really do much, more of a late game finisher

fervent burrow
#

Doesn't do anything special after a boardwipe though, right?

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I mean that's one more sorcery, but

lusty igloo
#

Teferi insighr is bad enough

lusty igloo
#

getting bullied in discord for running reliquary tower but i swear it's good and not just winmore 😭

void grove
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but I'm just bad at planning and always regret my discarsd

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thats why I always run it

lusty igloo
#

as longa s u dun get screwed for colors it's worth it imo

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and ive been a fan of running every fetch

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i thinke very1 should run 9 fetches

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they're just so OP

void grove
#

9 fetches is super sweaty

lusty igloo
#

rly no one rly cares about them

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ppl get mad at my OG duals

void grove
#

but yea if you want to optimise then yeah maxing out fetches is optimal

lusty igloo
#

lol

void grove
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Especially if you run citadel

lusty igloo
#

i dont think it's sweaty, i dont think getting mana screwed nad not having the right colors is supposed to be a part of the magic experience

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i feel like that's just dumb

lusty igloo
#

but yeah im currently having no mana problems and am thinking of adding otawara in but idk man....3 mana for a bounce.... bruh

void grove
#

99% of the time it's an island

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but it's 100% worth adding

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3 mana bounce, sure

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but uncounterable

lusty igloo
#

hmmm

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i'll look thru my list again and see

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im pretty sure the bounce/uncounterable is a lot more relevant in high-power like b4+. but if i dont have mana problems atm i can probably squeeze a painland out and put it in

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im already sick of my stupid sink into stupor putting a spell back into someones hand and they just cast it again lol. ppl end up having lots of mana in b3

void grove
lusty igloo
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im not sure if id rather not just run fell the profane instead

lusty igloo
void grove
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I run all good MDFCS and channel lands, always

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oh, right

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True

lusty igloo
#

i dont rly believe in grand abolisher stuff in b3

void grove
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And in a deck without many legendary creatures you rarely get much discount

lusty igloo
#

t3f + kitten and HBH r kinda bad cuz we have so few rocks (no chrome mox, no mox diamond, no mox opal, etc)

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r u on fell the profane

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i think imma go back

void grove
#

Yeah

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I'm even on [[Takenuma, abandoned]] but I'm probably cutting it

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
#

yeah idk about that 1

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i might cut urza's saga cuz im no longer on top

void grove
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its in case yshtola gets removed too much

lusty igloo
#

idk it's still a +1 rite

void grove
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yeah I'm not a fan of saga if you're just getting sol ring

lusty igloo
#

yeah i put in reanimate. thinking about animate dead.......... mostly because i bought replenish and need to justify it

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i also have mox amber but

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a t1 urza saga will be an off mox amber

void grove
#

I cut most reanimates

lusty igloo
#

reanimate itslef is gud

void grove
#

in fact I cut them all

lusty igloo
#

procs yshtola on her way in

void grove
#

putting yshtola in the yard is so risky

lusty igloo
#

i havent been caught slippin yet

void grove
#

if someone counters your reanimate you're cooked

void grove
lusty igloo
#

most they did was flash in necromancy and yoink my yshtola from my reanimate target

void grove
#

at least with that you can get it back eventually

lusty igloo
#

ya

void grove
#

reanimate getting countered is soo rough

lusty igloo
#

i also got my graveyard exiled

void grove
#

thats also fine tbh

lusty igloo
#

bleh the hard control mu is kinda hard

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i dont like ppl who counter my yshtola on my first cast

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like rbuh

void grove
#

to be fair its a reasonable response

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shes a fantastic value engine

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and in esper it sets you back so far

lusty igloo
#

yeah ik but why god

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whyyyyy

void grove
#

My new favourite commander is [[hermes, overseer]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
#

that guy is terrible

void grove
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Nobody would ever counter or remove him because he basically does nothing scary

lusty igloo
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to play vs

void grove
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But the deck is great

lusty igloo
#

he just sits there and does nothing and lets everyone eles does nothing

void grove
lusty igloo
#

so we sit there forever until he finds one of the few finishers in the deck

void grove
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I don't run so many in mine

lusty igloo
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my fav is Atraxa GU in b4. rn in b3 it's roxanne

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i hope they print some heat in avatar

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all the avatar commanders rn doodoo

void grove
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Yeah I'm surprised they didn't drop the best ones early to build hype

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Or.. maybe they did and the set is trash

void grove
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I feel like I have too few of them but I have so much card draw that I generally find them

lusty igloo
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Like birds get bigger from all other birds in play

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Lol that's all I got my b

lusty igloo
void grove
surreal shoalBOT
void grove
#

My Hermes is very much a bracket 3 list, and I've thought up a b4 polymorph version

rough remnant
high vine
near birch
rough remnant
high vine
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Lol xD

rough remnant
compact vine
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Or as we say in FFXIV: “ketgril”

rough remnant
#

Love it

compact vine
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Whole game is full of ketgrils and lizzers

rough remnant
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While im here, I might as well build my own Ysthola deck. It has to compete with BlueSkylark.whimsicott_what

desert sequoia
compact vine
rough remnant
high vine
umbral ruin
#

Especially if you don’t need the mana right away

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You can surveil

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And thin out the deck to see more cards

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Every fetch land effectively feels like drawing two cards

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3 if you surveil and yard a card you don’t need

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While a land coming down will always be just the land

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Well this is atleast how my monkey brain thinks about it

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Also lots of synergy with Abuelo and Emet Selch

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This is why I dropped [[sparks double]] for [[chameleon master of]]

surreal shoalBOT
cobalt coral
umbral ruin
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Interesting

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8 creatures could be rough to work with imo

cobalt coral
umbral ruin
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For reference

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Wait a second does [[emet selch of the third]] let you cast [[quantim misalignment]] every turn?

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
# cobalt coral how so?

it'll make edicts a tougher problem but imo just dont worry about them the matchup in general is just too hard. ur probably fine on low creatures if you hold down the (pillow)fort

cobalt coral
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given that their list is running five creatures

lusty igloo
#

they have more than 5 and 8 creatures

umbral ruin
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Nah you could use more creatures

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Especially protection creatures

cobalt coral
#

I've been trying to build this to be a more-or-less-functional control list without Y'shtola

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she's still my main wincon, but I don't need her to be out as soon as possible necessarily

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could definitely consider Sakashima the Impostor, but I don't think other clone/copy effects hold up

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(Quantum Misalignment's only in there because it basically wins the game on the spot if I resolve it)

cobalt coral
lusty igloo
umbral ruin
#

Protects my bolas too

lusty igloo
cobalt coral
#

I'll try Spellskite and see how it performs

lusty igloo
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dont think mnemoic betrayal and praetors grasp do well in b3

umbral ruin
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Prayers grasp isn’t good inb3

lusty igloo
#

curious if stuff like [[embargo]] doesnt just let people

  1. stop swinging in general (less yshtola procs)
  2. build armies to alpha strike you together
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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i dont really like playing reverse-pillowfort that doesnt generate value

cobalt coral
lusty igloo
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i'd also try to fit in rhystic/smothering

lusty igloo
cobalt coral
#

I mean, 4 mana to ramp 2 isn't bad at all

umbral ruin
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Smothering more so than rystic

cobalt coral
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and you can also get a piece of removal, a board wipe, et cetera

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obviously it's best against combo decks but it's not useless otherwise

lusty igloo
#

i'd rather just grim tutor and have a guranteed good card from my deck built to synergize with myself, than gamble that they have something in the right colors. and lim duls vault is far better than grim tutor

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moxfield blocked i cant see anymore

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anyway the decklist looks rly strong for a 1st draft

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misdirection maybe

cobalt coral
#

it's basically only good against single-target removal and counterspells

lusty igloo
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it's fine

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but yes ik what ur talking about

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the amount of times deflecting swat wouldve worked when misdirection doesnt is annoying

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still worth it for me

cobalt coral
cobalt coral
cobalt coral
#

I agree that it might not be good

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Vile Consumption is in the same boat

lusty igloo
lusty igloo
cobalt coral
#

it's definitely good, but I felt like it was the wrong kind of card for this list

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Grim Tutor and Beseech the Mirror are in here because they're nicely thematic

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anyway, I've made a few adjustments based on the advice I was given, so thank you!

lusty igloo
cobalt coral
lusty igloo
#

I think it's just not played in cedh because of vampiric tutor kinda mogging it

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Oh Idk I think it's fun having more thought provoking cards

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Yshtola as a whole is kinda linear for me

cobalt coral
#

so I like to optimize but within the window of where I'm expecting to play the deck

lusty igloo
#

Idk about zurs weirdibt lol

Also o don't have the experience to back it up but I think talion is less consistent in b3

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I think consult the star charts over nights whisper

cobalt coral
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but also it's just a very synergistic effect while being good by itself

lusty igloo
#

[[consult the star charts]]

surreal shoalBOT
cobalt coral
#

(and talion is one of my favorite cards)

cobalt coral
lusty igloo
#

Being instant speed is good if ur a sweat and play everything before he turn begins just to hold up itn. And it seems way more cards

cobalt coral
lusty igloo
#

Idk I think that's synergy bait. The one people use is um

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What's that one Yshtola card

cobalt coral
#

it's just another case of "this seems thematic and also decent"

lusty igloo
#

[[risky shortcuts]]

surreal shoalBOT
cobalt coral
#

mostly I noticed I was a bit low on card draw so night's whisper was one of the first things I thought of

lusty igloo
#

That's the Yshtola card ppl love cuz it procs yshtola on cast

cobalt coral
lusty igloo
#

I don't like either

#

Idk nights whisper like I feel is a card u play for draw

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When u don't have blue

cobalt coral
#

that's fair

lusty igloo
#

We got options here

cobalt coral
#

I'll put in consult the star charts for now

lusty igloo
#

I think tandem lookout is worth considering. Can play him turn 3 and soulbound Yshtola turn 4

cobalt coral
#

it's decent, didn't realize that you can re-pair it if y'shtola is removed

lusty igloo
#

And they can only kill one or the other and not get two for one like aurad

#

Yeah it survived bounce spell (ik that's a high power concern but)

cobalt coral
#

curiosity is just very efficient mana cost

lusty igloo
#

Yeah idk. Weird mix of having redundancy is nice cuz we don't have good tutors, but also too curiosity focused makes ur deck super Yshtola reliant

#

I'd include at least 2, I'd say 3. I personally run 4 which works for me except in hard matchups or versus sweaty pods. My deck is currently over reliant on Yshtola still

We don't have vampiric, imperial, demonic, and enlightened to get the one mana goodie Everytime so redundancy is kinda nice if ur going curiosity route

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But curiosity dependency is kinda a hot topic I'm not sure if I'm correct on my stance on

cobalt coral
#

I mean, it's a strong effect

lusty igloo
#

Don't wanna be a vivi where if curiosity fails... Guess I'll just die Okay

cobalt coral
#

if you can hold up a counterspell/trigger curiosity same turn then it's pretty nice

#

but the higher the cost is the harder that gets

lusty igloo
#

Yeah

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Also in sweat pods having one counterspells isn't enough

#

Should probably be on delney

cobalt coral
#

I don't like delney here

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is just worse than sakashima I think

lusty igloo
#

Buffs lotho, papalymo, esper, kambal, witch, and Yshtola

#

Delney is better

cobalt coral
#

you can curve delney into y'shtola but like

lusty igloo
#

He's not just roaming throne he synergizes with much of the list

cobalt coral
keen grail
cobalt coral
lusty igloo
#

Faeirer mastermind doubles too

keen grail
#

Delney is more flexible since you aren't locked into your choice on-play

cobalt coral
#

yeah, I didn't realize I had more delney synergy than I thought, so I replaced sakashima with it

lusty igloo
#

U kinda want delney and one or two clone effects to finish games

cobalt coral
lusty igloo
#

The usual close out is making ur spells do 4/8 DMG then throwing out 40 DMG of free spells in one turn

keen grail
lusty igloo
cobalt coral
#

can see if I can find a spot for sakashima as well

#

quantum misalignment is best for winning obviously but also a bit fragile

lusty igloo
#

But delney is good outside of finishing ofc. 4 per proc and 2 draws

keen grail
#

Sakashima/SparkDouble/Irrenicus' Vile Duplication usually already has a spot

cobalt coral
lusty igloo
keen grail
#

^

#

Non-creature Clone spells are better

lusty igloo
#

Sakashimi the impostor is the only clone spell worth considering

cobalt coral
#

Irenicus already seems extremely suspect

lusty igloo
#

I don't like him tho I like my flying Yshtola that helps me get my 2 DMG in

#

The troll ones are sakashimi partner (just worse impostor) and spark double (that +1/+1 is trash and anti synergy with delney and slaughter the strong etc)

cobalt coral
#

yeah, not even looking at other copiers

lusty igloo
#

I also talked a lot about bolas Citadel combo and why I dropped it above

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I had it for some time. 25% of my wins came from bolas at one point

cobalt coral
#

triggering y'shtola only takes you so far

lusty igloo
#

I did some pretty rigotous testing with sample size above 50 and found that with Yshtola in play, Bolas + Top wins more than 80% of games with 0 starting mana, 0 hand, 20 life and 40 DMG to win

#

But it's dependency on Yshtola being in play (besides in Disneyland where u have a third piece in papalymo and sheolrded already) makes it yet another Yshtola dependent combo which just makes the deck too Yshtola reliant. So I switched it with the self sustaining engine of rhystic study

cobalt coral
#

my view on it was that it's actually not very Y'shtola reliant

lusty igloo
#

And bolas is a fat commitment

cobalt coral
#

it's three good pieces that work by themselves

lusty igloo
#

The combo itself is, the pieces themselves are good on their own unlike every other comvo

#

Assembling all 3 pieces means u tutored a ton (which is unlikely) or u have a serious curiosity engine (which means the game is over anyway)

cobalt coral
#

well, Bolas + Top by itself is enough usually I think

#

and you're pretty likely to draw into one of the remaining pieces if you have that

lusty igloo
#

Not enough to win on the spot, just to be good engines

#

No you're not, I tested that too

#

It's a hail Mary to find sheolsred or papalymo or you just die

#

Do the test I did above. Start at 20 life no Yshtola on board. See often you do 40 dmg

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Ull go down to like 2 before u realize u missed guaranteeing your death

cobalt coral
#

well, it's not necessary to turbo for it

lusty igloo
#

I think it was around 10% chance

cobalt coral
#

you already have necropotence-but-better

lusty igloo
#

Yeah ik

keen grail
#

[[Yawgmoth's Bargain]] call it what it is.

surreal shoalBOT
cobalt coral
#

Yawgmoth's Bargain, yes

lusty igloo
#

But man I'd just tutor for a curiosity for 1 mana and draw a million cards instead of tutoring two cards for a better neceo

#

It's up to u

#

I slep 3am

keen grail
lusty igloo
#

I love bolas top personally so I'd like to bring it back but yeah Smadge

cobalt coral
lusty igloo
cobalt coral
#

the sticking point is probably going to be how good bolas's citadel is by itself

keen grail
cobalt coral
#

Sensei's Divining Top is pretty much never bad

lusty igloo
#

That's not pepe

lusty igloo
lusty igloo
keen grail
#

Say heck it and run Gwenom instead and snag an extra GC count back.

cobalt coral
lusty igloo
#

Losing a turn is so icky ugh

#

I wanna do it tho

#

I might try it and report back

#

The gwenom strat

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I'm currently playing some cards I know are trash anyway (animate dead and replenish) I'll just replace them with gwenom and top

cobalt coral
#

sounds good, will wait for the results

lusty igloo
#

bruh i sold my top

keen grail
#

Ooof. I cut Bolas etc from my list, but Top stayed put due to how good it is.

green vigil
#

Top is so good even without comboing

daring oriole
#

how was papalymo benefit us exactly? lately i've just been using him as a curiosity target so yshtola get's less hate, is this the right play or am i missing something

umbral ruin
umbral ruin
#

[[papalymo]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
#

Can make for a pseudo edict too

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And it’s very cheap

daring oriole
#

even more reason to keep transpose

#

[[transpose]]

surreal shoalBOT
#

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/52/transpose

Transpose <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Draw a card, then discard a card. You lose 1 life. If this spell was cast from your hand, create a 0/1 black Wizard creature token with "Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this token deals 1 damage to each opponent."
Rebound (If you cast this spell from your hand, exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.)

umbral ruin
#

Well here’s the issue

#

Transpose doesn’t go health neutral with top and bolas

near birch
cobalt coral
#

it has a ton of synergy with y'shtola but not enough to push it into playable territory, I think

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in general, they seem to be very careful with rebound effects

void grove
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How do people feel about [[Savor the moment]]? I find it to be crazy good

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I didn't like it when I played it

lusty igloo
lusty igloo
void grove
surreal shoalBOT
void grove
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I like it so much I might get the gay one

cobalt coral
daring oriole
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it'll eventually be positive if you also have aetherflux on the board

wide quiver
compact vine
wide quiver
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This could be us, but you played Sol Ring

umbral ruin
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this could be us, but youre wearing socks :(

lusty igloo
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guys

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replenish and animate dead are trash

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what do i do with my random replenish now

near birch
fervent burrow
desert sequoia
umbral ruin
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dropping omniscience

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idk what to replace it with

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Maybe it is time i put esper sentinal in the deck

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or gwenom

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idk

umbral ruin
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How dI’m we feel about [[norn’s annex]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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The way I see it is it effectively replaces itself with yhstola on the board

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And then helps stax out some mana or life

lusty igloo
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it's ok.... ive noticed 2 life is a much smaller deterrent than 2 mana

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i had to drop it

fervent burrow
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Yeah it works great to drain some life but not as protection for yourself likely

umbral ruin
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Hmmm

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Maybe I do get gwenom

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Go more aggressively for a win

umbral ruin
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What’s are other win conditions I could consider?

lusty igloo
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clones and delney are super consistent for me

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curiosity is hte main win condition and it works 90%+ of the time

compact vine
umbral ruin
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Same

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I have top bolas for a second

lusty igloo
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bolas top is fun

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it's rly htought provoking

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something i havent done with yshtola bolas top is recognizing when i already have dominant board state and dont need to gamble 80% on trying to turbo out a win

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once i had curiosity on my yshtola and i decided to 80% gamble it all and it backfired and i died for no reason

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i didnt need to do htat

umbral ruin
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Yeah I often hold my winning spells to win ontop of someone doing some sort of game action like full swinging on me for lethal or something

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Someone tried to overload cyc rift and after I attempted to counter it, the rest of the board started a stack war to try and let it resolve which ended in me running out of counters in hand so I did the next best thing and burned them out as the stack resolved so the cycle rift could never go through

desert sequoia
near birch
near birch
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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That's a funny one

compact vine
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That’s hilarious

umbral ruin
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Hold on explain it like I’m 5 please

fervent burrow
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We dont play creatures. So its basically 4 mana trade boards, which is likely 1 maybe 2 of your creatures, and likely more on the opponents (plus you still get a Ysh trigger)

wide quiver
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It can also be used defensively as a fog or to kill off boards by blocking

umbral ruin
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Oh! So you’re telling me that if someone full swings on me, I can pop this shit and and say no

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Or use a troublesome board to take out another player?

wide quiver
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Yes

umbral ruin
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That’s funny af

compact vine
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Yeah that’s kind of a next level card. Gonna need that

cobalt coral
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not sure about in y'shtola, depends on how creature-heavy the meta is

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but it's nice in stuff like [[jon irenicus]]

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/278/jon-irenicus-shattered-one

Jon Irenicus, Shattered One <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Elf Wizard
At the beginning of your end step, target opponent gains control of up to one target creature you control. Put two +1/+1 counters on it and tap it. It's goaded for the rest of the game and it gains "This creature can't be sacrificed." (It attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
Whenever a creature you own but don't control attacks, you draw a card.
3/3

rough remnant
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I have only played Gishath so far, how does Y'Sthola work?

fervent burrow
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Yshtola typically will play a very heavy control package and drown herself in advantage while you drain

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For some common cards [[curiosity]] let's us draw 3 cards off each spell cast and free spells like [[fierce guardianship]] keep us in control

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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Also all of our decks are in the pinned messages

near birch
wide quiver
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Yeah, I at most have 2 or 3 creatures

lusty igloo
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@marsh solar how did u make ur proxy?

jade bear
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1 is enought

mild harness
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https://archidekt.com/decks/13639736/yshtola_nights_blessed_wip What should I cut to make room for more soft stax effects? I was thinking

  • Every Tokens Card except kykar and hermes (kykar can serve as protection. And Hermes because utility and offense)
  • Thought Vessel
Archidekt
Y'shtola, Night's Blessed WIP • (Esper Commander deck) • Archidekt

Y'shtola, Night's Blessed - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (4) Drain • (15) Draw • (1) Finisher • (36) Land • (1) Lifegain • (4) Protection • (9) Ramp • (2) Recursion • (2) Reduction • (17) Removal • (6) Tokens • (2) Tutor

lusty igloo
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There's like 40 cards that can go before thought vessel

void grove
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I would not even touch thought vessel at this point

mild harness
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I doubt it is that shit

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What were you guys thinking

void grove
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Queza, Fandaniel, Murderous Rider

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Deny The Witch

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Utter End

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Anguished Unmaking is just a better Utter End

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Disallow is a better Deny The Witch

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Planeswalkers are a big no-no

umbral ruin
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There’s only one good planeswalker

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Because wit has a fairly one sided board wipe attached

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Spot removal and generates blockers

mild harness
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wit, [[battle of wits]]?

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
mild harness
keen grail
surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/230/ral-crackling-wit

Ral, Crackling Wit <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Ral
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, put a loyalty counter on Ral.
+1: Create a 1/1 blue and red Otter creature token with prowess.
−3: Draw three cards, then discard two cards.
−10: Draw three cards. You get an emblem with "Instant and sorcery spells you cast have storm." (Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)
Loyalty: 4

keen grail
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Though I don't see a board wipe...

mild harness
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rip

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farewell, damn

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time wipe

keen grail
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It is one of the few PW I have hit the -10 on in an actual game though. It builds counters like a champ in spellslinger

mild harness
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oh i can imagine

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my friend thinks i should lean harder into soft stax effects like [[Defeaning Silence]] and what not instead

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “Defeaning Silence”

mild harness
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sorry i am tired lol

keen grail
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it is a direciton you could go for sure. Depends on how your play group feel against playing against a stax list

mild harness
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well i considered it at first but i got called a dick for suggesting the idea lol

umbral ruin
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[[the eternal wanderer]]

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/one/11/the-eternal-wanderer

The Eternal Wanderer <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker
No more than one creature can attack The Eternal Wanderer each combat.
+1: Exile up to one target artifact or creature. Return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of that player's next end step.
0: Create a 2/2 white Samurai creature token with double strike.
−4: For each player, choose a creature that player controls. Each player sacrifices all creatures they control not chosen this way.
Loyalty: 5

mild harness
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pay 6 play wanderer instantly -4 to wipe?

umbral ruin
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Yeah, then make blockers going forward idk

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It’s worked out splendidly for me

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And you decide what stays

mild harness
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"keep your birds, lose your pantlaza"

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actually id probably keep pantlaza if they need the mana more, no mana to drop more dinosaurs means the pantlaza is just dead as well

keen grail
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It's decent for sure. It runs into problems against solo-creature Voltron and that's about it.

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Or I guess maybe something haste based

umbral ruin
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The +1 deals with that tho

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If they don’t have hexproof and or shroud

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Which they sometimes do

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Depending how they’ve drawn

keen grail
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Assuming you can target it. Usually in the solo-creature case it's something like [[Thrun breaker]]

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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ive actually never seen thrun myself

umbral ruin
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Huh I forget they exist

mild harness
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i mainly see go wide, hence the propaganda and ghostly prison

keen grail
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I hadn't either until I built it because someone mentioned it in here. The thing is a menace and you can play it with a headache/without much focus

mild harness
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yeah thrun seemed very

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no brain power all destruction energy

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is the best way i can put it lol

keen grail
mild harness
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Thanks for the ideas guys but I’m just gonna disassemble the deck tonight.

wide quiver
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rip

mild harness
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yeah. no point in trying to do either build I was thinking of

mild harness
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just got home, looking at the deck and going "man i dont want to tear it apart"

near birch
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Like what is your vision for the deck?

mild harness
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well

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my first thought was punisher effects, underworld dreams and the likes. "you can play your deck but you'll get burnt for doing so" type effects
got told i was a dick for suggesting that
built this weird ass version as "trying to be the first thought but not as extreme and relying more on swinging than actually burning"
sucks
want to do this new idea, more slight stax effects like deafening silence, [[Defense Grid]], Crawlspace, Blind Obedience and so on

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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suggested it to friends, got told "you're just building stax and not letting us play the game"

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sorry, i'm a little frustrated with my friends

daring oriole
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Depending on the bracket you plan to play in, but starting from B3.. anything goes, you're trying to win

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I have the tendency to want to let players do what their deck wants to do, but I don't win doing that. In B2, I feel there is less consistency in terms big impact turns. If your friend can't pop off or can't stop you, that's the game ' 3'

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And vice versa*

mild harness
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how can i best describe the people i play with

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they play bracket 3 cards/decks with the mindset of a bracket 2 player