Because most cards are mv 3+
#Y'shtola Communal Brewing
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[[hide on the ceiling]]
surreal shoalBOT
daring oriole
faster phase ' 3'
wide quiver
Kinda
It doesn't allow you to keep equipment attached, auras, counters, etc
But you can also do it to opponents stuff to destroy tokens, remove blockers or attackers, unequip stuff, remove auras, counters, etc
It's like [[march of swirling mists]] but blink instead of phase.
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of blue cards from your hand. This spell costs 
less to cast for each card exiled this way.
Up to X target creatures phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. Each one phases in before its controller untaps during their next untap step.)
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https://scryfall.com/card/spm/32/hide-on-the-ceiling
The Eluge discord was frothing at this one
wide quiver
Oh I bet
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How do we feel about [[soul channeling]]
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
Isn’t this like really good?
fervent burrow
Likely a worse [[blessing leeches]] but still decent yea
surreal shoalBOT
Enchantment — Aura
Flash
Enchant creature
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life.
: Regenerate enchanted creature.
fervent burrow
Well thats fair
soft peak
Personally i dont have a lot of faith in regenerate tho
fervent burrow
About as good as indestructible no?
soft peak
Maybe a tad better, does it dodge -x/-x?
fervent burrow
Nah
soft peak
Anyways, lots of exiles in my games so thats what i aim to prot from
fervent burrow
That, phasing, counterspells
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
Big fan of this card
fervent burrow
See now im mad at it bevause im trying to parse why it doesnt just say hexproof
soft peak
Yeah im not sure why the oracle text doesnt say hexproof tbh
umbral ruin
We have assembled the four horsemen of the Yshtolapocalypse
Anyways it may be time to completely redo my list
I have learned so much from this thread
daring oriole
thoughts [[saw in half]]
surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
Yeah im also not sold
daring oriole
some reason i was thinking of using it as a protect or duping a non legendary ysh token 🤔
lusty igloo
We have assembled the four horsemen of the Yshtolapocalypse
Nice box
daring oriole
but probably niche
fervent burrow
For protection theres gotta be 30 better options, for the duping a non legendary clone i think its too niche to be useful most of the time
lusty igloo
Never build only to further accommodate your non legendary tokens or copies. Those are winmore and niche scenarios . Things like roaming throne or saw in half that normally don’t do anything gotta go
daring oriole
maybe i was justifying the cost for the potential opporunity
wide quiver
I like the card in general, but it seems useless here, yeah
wide quiver
Yeah, it may be good for a token version of the deck
umbral ruin
I was running a lot of non legendary token gen
It ended being better to run just the few cards that make not exploding legendary copies via naming and running more protection rather than going wide on the tokens
The stuff I run is
Quantum misalignment
Both sakashima
Ireninus’s vile duplication
Spark’s double
And it has usually been enough
When I ran more into the issue of having a way to make copies and not having yshtola down
wide quiver
Yeah, you don't really want too many cards that are only useful when you're winning
[[invasion of segovia]] is really cool for a token build
surreal shoalBOT
Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, create two 1/1 blue Kraken creature tokens with trample.
Defense: 4
Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
Legendary Creature — Serpent
Noncreature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell pays for 
or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your end step, untap up to four target creatures.
3/3
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Okay is it worth running
[[monologue tax]]
[[Lotho]]
[[tartaru taru]]
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Rogue
Whenever a player casts their second spell each turn, you lose 1 life and create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with "
, Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"Whatever is wrong in the Shire, Lotho will be at the bottom of it: you can be sure of that." —Pippin
2/1
umbral ruin
I find that I’m getting at max one trigger of the abilities because people usually tap out to play their biggest card in hand
soft peak
Okay is it worth running
[[monologue tax]]
[[Lotho]]
[[tartaru taru]]
lotho is goated (it triggers off your spells too)
monologue tax is okay but if ur tryna make your deck very strong its probs not it
tataru is probably
stronger the higher power level you go
idk if shed be worth running in b3
wide quiver
Yeah, you're solely relying on opponents to trigger tataru
Which is okay if your opponents are running all the high power staples
but is less useful the lower power you are
lusty igloo
Okay is it worth running
[[monologue tax]]
[[Lotho]]
[[tartaru taru]]
lotho is insane
monologue tax is idk. I'm not convinced it's better than [[relic of legends]] and [[bender's waterskin]]
tarutaru is terrible in b3
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
Tap an untapped legendary creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
"If the worst parts of history can repeat themselves, it stands to reason that the best parts can as well." —Teferi
Artifact
Untap this artifact during each other player's untap step.
: Add one mana of any color.
Katara's waterskin ensured that she would always have water for bending, healing, or drinking.
soft peak
I played with monologue tax for a while and I agree id rather have one of those 3cmc rocks
too often youll drop monologue tax and you get nothing from it the first rotation
wide quiver
You have... both?
fervent burrow
I assume monologue and its older cousin smothering
Or maybe both of the rocks actually
wide quiver
Ah that would make more sense than bender's waterskin
Nothing stopping someone from proxying it I guess though
I have 2 decks to put it in on release anywho
umbral ruin
I have both bender’s skin and relic
Originally
For sure I have tithe
I’m dropping tax
And the child
void grove
Mono tax is sometimes a 3 mana do nothing and sometimes a nutty 3 mana make 9 treasures
jade bear
So I was directed to here to ask advice about Y'shtola brew
https://moxfield.com/decks/R68PEotVmEyGPetroFZIUA
I'm aiming for not high-power boards that will utilize rocks as way to trigger catgirl, to draw more cards/pay commander tax and finishing with big Exsanguinate/Hailfire
soft peak
So I was directed to here to ask advice about Y'shtola brew
https://moxfield.com...
What kind of advice are you looking for?
Trying to make it stronger or just general thoughts?
jade bear
Oh, seems I already changed decklist 😅
But now it something "final-form" with gameplan changed to "also I cant voltron you"
So Opion/recommedation to what change would be nice
(I have decided to add some protection, best protection happens to be equipment so...)
fervent burrow
SO - Just a few quick ones. Some of the equipment isn't really THAT great in the deck - I'm looking at [[cranial plating]] for example. Even if you have all of your artifacts out, who's swinging? Yshtola? It doesn't trigger her ability, and is 4 mana to get on there just for some offensive swing stats.
Also Loxodon Warhammer can probably be replaced with something more efficient - [[lifelink]] for example. The trample shouldn't be part of the gameplan, and it gets an efficient lifelink on Yshtola
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 for each artifact you control.
: Attach this Equipment to target creature you control.
Equip
fervent burrow
Now I recognize you ahve 0 other creatures (i can respect it) which is going to make Yshtola HUGE target, and you only have 2 counterspells. Any edict/boardwipe is going to set you back multiple turns since there's no possible alternative win con or blockers to save you
A lot of your instants and sorceries and enchantments you ahve are pretty decent - but I'd definitely look at some non equipment forms of protection, because those can only help you in so many cases
jade bear
I have added Fountain port and Castle exactly vs edict effects. And hope to use rocks to compensate commander tax
What you will recomend instead of plating as way to protect Y'shtola?
fervent burrow
Honestly some counterspells will carry a lot of weight. Whether you want them at 1,2,3,4+ mana theres great options at all of them. In a voltron/control deck like this you'll want more than 2
jade bear
maybe some Phase Out effects instead?
soft peak
maybe some Phase Out effects instead?
I played [[robe of stars]] and [[vanishing]] for a bit
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +0/+3.
Astral Projection — 
: Equipped creature phases out. (Treat it and anything attached to it as though they don't exist until its controller's next turn.)
Equip
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
: Enchanted creature phases out. (While it's phased out, it's treated as though it doesn't exist. It phases in before its controller untaps during their next untap step.)
"Careless, like a child with fire, so was I with time." —Teferi
jade bear
not as good as t2 stony silence against artifacts xD but nice
lusty igloo
my recent graveyard hate additions have been making people salty
i played dauthi voidwalker t2 vs teval and they scooped t5
but... they're in black green and blue... i feel like they should have the ability to kill a creature lol
jade bear
I have played today, suddenly Y'shtola voltron plan kinda do violance
Now Im scare that my deck stronger than I think it is
The only thing I hate that she use lot of weapon. Will proxy equipment as black mage spells
tranquil sparrow
Had an interesting commander night. Game 1 i got a bunch of early mana rocks and got Bolas Citadel out on turn 4. Managed to control the entire table and burned em out over the course of the game.
Game 2 I got basically 3v1d and died 20 minutes into the game, which I honestly don't blame them after that evil game 1 😅
fervent burrow
Sounds expected
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https://archidekt.com/decks/15165086/cat can someone give me list a quick peak to make sure nothing looks out of place?
lusty igloo
Im actually going to recommend rest in peace and dauthi void Walker. They're putting in a ton of work for me
lusty igloo
https://archidekt.com/decks/15165086/cat can someone give me list a quick peak t...
Show and tell ghostly flicker omniscience staff of completion I think aren't good
lusty igloo
Bolas Citadel with no sensei?
wide quiver
I don't like show and tell for that lol
staff of compleation is fine though
And bolas citadel is very strong, I'd consider if it matches how strong you want your deck
lusty igloo
I feel like bolas wants sensei's too
wide quiver
Oh, they already have it in there. Disregard what I said 😛
It kinda does, but it's definitely still very good without
umbral ruin
Sensei is in there!!
My excuse for show and tell is some people don’t realize what I’m doing with it, they just think ouuu I get to put a card down for free
Only to be massacred shortly after
wide quiver
Weird
I would 100% think the person is cheating out omniscience lol
There's like no other reason to play it
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If there’s a better way to get out omniscience I’m all ears
I don’t wanna pay 10 mana!!
wide quiver
There was the standard combo
of getting it in the gy then reanimating it with [[abuelo's awakening]]
surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
4 mana reanimate is strong enough for a standard ban so
Plus Abuelo can pull a lot of stuff
fervent burrow
Thats always one option - this deck plays at instant speed and draws a decent bit, so you could purposefully let it fall out "oh nooooo". Alternatively theres stuff like [[thirst for knowledge]]
surreal shoalBOT
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God imagine Yshtola in grixis
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Fr
I really like [[promise of loyalty]]
[[slaughter the strong]] and [[eternal wanderer]]
fervent burrow
The best one for Ysh is still [[starfall invocation]] i think
surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
If for no reason than the name
compact vine
I run Vanquish the Horde, Damn, and Promise of Loyalty
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[[vanquish the horde]]
surreal shoalBOT
Sorcery
This spell costs less to cast for each creature on the battlefield.
Destroy all creatures.
"Remind Zurgo that the Abzan will not tolerate his marauders. If the Mardu wish to trespass, then I encourage him to face my blade himself." —Felothar, khan of the Abzan
umbral ruin
Interesting
void grove
[[split up]] is great too
surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
[[single combat]]
surreal shoalBOT
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That’s wild
near birch
This is my current list. As far as game changers go: Force of Will is there because it's the only copy I own and I really like the art, Fierce is self explanatory, and One Ring gets an extra draw when I reach a certain number. I'm considering swapping it for Teferi's protection but I'm a bit torn, considering the deck is already very interaction heavy.
fervent burrow
https://moxfield.com/decks/o3HhUBXLl0-r2WxKDoITYA
umbral ruin
Such a dramatically different list lol
I dig it
How do we feel about snapcastor mage?
near birch
I love Snapcaster, but I do feel he works best in a more can trip like deck. [[Opt]], [[brainstorm]], [[thought scour]]
umbral ruin
I thought about it more as a second piece of removal that can chump block after the fact
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[[snap castor]]
surreal shoalBOT
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[[snapcaster]]
surreal shoalBOT
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[[$snapcaster mage]]
surreal shoalBOT
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godspeed
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By printing it
umbral ruin
I don’t have a printer 😭
compact vine
Interesting
Yeah it’s just white Blasphemous Act
maiden widget
Love me some snap castor
umbral ruin
Obtained an urza’s saga wooo wooo
wide quiver
I feel like I need ways to get it down to 1v1 easier lol
lusty igloo
i disagree, yshtola wants to kill all at same time
otherwise you get less draws from curiostiy and/or end of turn triggers
lusty igloo
I think that's just optimal
wide quiver
Yeah that's just what you do
wide quiver
Thinking I might run [[commandeer]]
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
Seems fun
maiden widget
If you run enough blue card
wide quiver
Always
fervent burrow
I have it in mine yet have somehow not seen it ywt
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Staff of completion is so fucking goated
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Just had it help me speedrun Urza’s saga twice
Anyways
Is [[praeter’s grasp]] worth using?
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
It looks really good
But idk I’ve found it hard to get info on what people are sometimes running
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[[chameleon master of surprise]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Shapeshifter Villain
You may have Chameleon enter as a copy of a creature you control, except his name is Chameleon, Master of Disguise.
Mayhem (You may cast this card from your graveyard for if you discarded it this turn. Timing rules still apply.)
"You have a lovely face. Mind if I borrow it?"
2/3
wide quiver
Another copy
fervent burrow
This is better than Sakashima right? Probably?
Less pip and potentially cheaper though you do lose the bounce
fervent burrow
I think Ysh can make any build work other than pure creature (which will still work, jjst not be as synergistic because ability 1)
lusty igloo
This is better than Sakashima right? Probably?
you lose ability to pick enemy creatures
fervent burrow
Hmmm that is a consideration as well
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
GOOOOAAAALLL! — , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw two cards. Activate only if an opponent was dealt combat damage by a legendary creature this turn.
Artifact
: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity.
Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.
It harmonizes with the essence of its master.
fervent burrow
Blitzball shoold be able to be triggered pretty easily but the extra tap could be inconvenient at times. Sphere is a little more flexible, but ball has more power, probablu
umbral ruin
Fair point
umbral ruin
I fairly often
fervent burrow
Oh, I did miss that it was combat damage
vital steppe
the good thing about command sphere is the sac at instant speed. someone tries to unramp you ? they will ,first be less likely to do it, and it gives u value if they actually do.
ball feels too offensive. and not sure you want to actively trade a mana rock for cards when you can already easily draw a thousand cards...
at least blitzball doesn't need you to actually hit, it can be anyone hitting with a legend
wide quiver
Oh true, I didn't realize that
They both seem like among the worst 3 mana manarocks for ysh though
umbral ruin
What are my other options
wide quiver
Decanter of endless water is okay
relic of legends is great
Staff of compleation is pretty good
misleading signpost is great
victory chimes is okay, but is powercrept by the new waterbender's thingy
umbral ruin
I have all of those…
lusty igloo
imo: be on the two mana rocks as much as possible. i prefer thought vessel over decanter. 2 mana works with our curve better and helps us get yshtola out on t3. 3 mana rocks dont change it and yshtola will still be out on t4
3 mana ones shoudl be reserved for cards that provide a lot of value, especially those that give more than 1 mana
wide quiver
Agreed
fervent burrow
Im.scared to get Yshtola out on T3 bevause she's a good removal target
near birch
Im.scared to get Yshtola out on T3 bevause she's a good removal target
I agree with this. I'm not rushing her out without protection, or without ways of taking advantage of her ability.
tranquil sparrow
Thinking of adding divining top since my deck seems to have issues closing out games, is bolas/top combo enough to be able to win on it's own if I get it or is it worth adding aetherflux reservoir to that?
keen grail
By itself it just draws your deck at 1 life per card. Need Aetherflux or something like [[Tendrils of Agony]] to cover the storm count.
surreal shoalBOT
near birch
Tendrils seems to fit with synergy a bit more as well, but it can potentially under perform if you don't have the other two pieces.
tranquil sparrow
Oh yeah tendrils is another good idea!
I've just been thinking of ways to actually close out games, last night I had a game go on for like 15+ turns where I was basically untouchable but didn't really have a way to close out the game besides killing with Yshtola pings. If my opponent had a single way to remove Solitary confinement I would've lost. Opponent was playing Edgar Markov and somehow was able to build their board back up after every board wipe, which got me thinking that relying on pings like Kambal or Yshtola without any kind of "win con" might be a bad strategy against certain decks
desert sequoia
Y'shtola often sits in my CZ for a few turns if I don't have protection
desert sequoia
Oh yeah tendrils is another good idea!
I've just been thinking of ways to actua...
I end games with Omniscience and then just cast draw spells to win. Tendrils or [[Torment of Hailfire]] are both good options when you just need people to die though.
surreal shoalBOT
near birch
Oh yeah tendrils is another good idea!
I've just been thinking of ways to actua...
I've been thinking about this as well. Maybe [[Grafted Exoskeleton]] is the way?!
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has infect. (It deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)
Whenever Grafted Exoskeleton becomes unattached from a permanent, sacrifice that permanent.
Equip
near birch
I've been known to dabble in villainy here and there.
desert sequoia
Well, better put down a [[Grand Abolisher]] first
surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
Because if you ever let anyone untap with Grafted Exoskeleton on your board, they're going to kill you hammers
umbral ruin
how toxic is [[phyresis]] tho
surreal shoalBOT
green vigil
Imo not worth it unless you run a pretty decent full poison package. Which will probably take too much away from what you want to do. In order to win with phyresis you'll need 5 yshtola triggers. Which can be quite slow. Since most decks tend to be mid range to late game wins
fervent burrow
Yeah the infect path is viable for sure but not one I want to sort out haha
near birch
So I run [[Jin-Gitaxias]] and [[psychic possession]] in my build and so far they're getting the job done, but I feel they're a bit of a win more. I was thinking of adding an additional Plains and an [[archaeomancer's map]] instead.
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Ward
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell with mana value 3 or greater, draw a card.
: Exile Jin-Gitaxias, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery and only if you have seven or more cards in hand.
5/5
The Great Synthesis
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Draw cards equal to the number of cards in your hand. You have no maximum hand size for as long as you control this Saga.
II — Return all non-Phyrexian creatures to their owners' hands.
III — You may cast any number of spells from your hand without paying their mana costs. Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
near birch
If not those two (I do think I run more than enough lands), I was thinking [[maze of ith]] and like a "fun" card like [[rite of replication]].
surreal shoalBOT
Land
: Untap target attacking creature. Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to and dealt by that creature this turn.
Sorcery
Kicker 
(You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Create a token that's a copy of target creature. If this spell was kicked, create five of those tokens instead.
wide quiver
I do love archeomancer's map
Rite of replication is mostly useless
but I also love maze of ith
umbral ruin
Is reality chip worth running
umbral ruin
It was mainly because it’s another diving top synergy
And it also helps see more cards
near birch
Neat card for sure but at that point [[Bola's citadel]] is more useful.
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Artifact
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may play lands and cast spells from the top of your library. If you cast a spell this way, pay life equal to its mana value rather than pay its mana cost.
, Sacrifice ten nonland permanents: Each opponent loses 10 life.
wide quiver
Yeah, bolas's citadel is just a banger
near birch
Rite of replication is mostly useless
I think I may try out Map instead. I wish it got non basic plains though.
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
Which is also a banger
weak silo
So I run [[Jin-Gitaxias]] and [[psychic possession]] in my build and so far they...
My thoughts on Jin is that he's more of a back up in case your commander has been removed a couple times. I can't think of many situations where you would be able to drop him with Y'shtolla up for free
near birch
My thoughts on Jin is that he's more of a back up in case your commander has bee...
That makes sense, the flip side can even save you a bit of time, though I'm not sure how useful that is.
near birch
How do we feel about reliquary tower in this deck?
wide quiver
It's fine
near birch
I don't have it currently in my list, but I'm drawing sooo many cards sometimes.
elder lagoon
Could be good. Not great in reanimator
But good overall, if you can swing a colorless land
compact vine
How do we feel about reliquary tower in this deck?
I run that, though vessel, and decanter
jade bear
https://moxfield.com/decks/R68PEotVmEyGPetroFZIUA
I have just changed some of my 3 mana rocks and equipment but now I have 1 free slot and I think about adding counterpell. Now there is a question do I go with Rewind, Arcane Denial or maybe I should consider more fun options like Luminarch Ascension.
lusty igloo
rest in peace is so good
lusty igloo
https://moxfield.com/decks/R68PEotVmEyGPetroFZIUA
I have just changed some of my...
wait why are u on 42 lands 
umbral ruin
[[rest in piece]]
wide quiver
[[rest in peace]]
wide quiver
[[leyline of the void]] is also good if you utilize your own GY
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
gy?
wide quiver
graveyard
jade bear
wait why are u on 42 lands <:catwtf:832986724266147930>
I dont want to miss my land drops
jade bear
If opponents feed the catgirl
lusty igloo
feed? 
jade bear
Deal danage to eachother without removing Y'shtola
lusty igloo
https://moxfield.com/decks/0M7zQR70fkazl12Te6bQLQ
my current decklist
maybe it's animate dead over kambal
wide quiver
You just take the damage instead
my friends opponents have no problem dealing 4 damage to me each turn
jade bear
There are some problems
If I allow Urabrask or Skiterix deal damage to me that will be more than 4
Meanwhile superfriends do not damage, they make pain in other ways
umbral ruin
I just negotiate getting swing on
Like “I BEG OF YOU SIRE, SEND YOUR CREATURES MY WAY”
mild harness
Do you guys think yshtola leans into a more control style of play or am I playing her wrong?
fervent burrow
Control is definitely one of thr ways you can play, but she has a lot of viable strategies honestly
mild harness
I want to add more things like [[lightmine field]] to my list but my friend tells me I’ll just be disliked for it
surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
One hand, maybe I will be
On the other hand, would you rather I drop a kismet and stasis and blink the stasis?
Maybeboard has all the cards I’ve wanted to add
near birch
https://moxfield.com/decks/0M7zQR70fkazl12Te6bQLQ
my current decklist
Looks sweet! How is Solitary Confinement so far? That card was an all star in my old Anikthea deck.
lusty igloo
Looks sweet! How is Solitary Confinement so far? That card was an all star in my...
among the five most impactful cards in the deck imo
near birch
among the five most impactful cards in the deck imo
Added to the consideration pile!
weak silo
Seconding Solitary confinement, card in some games will just lock a win in
mild harness
[[mana tithe]] time to be cute?
surreal shoalBOT
Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
"Those who seek to upset the balance must be taxed for such ambitions." —Verithain, mesa high priest
keen grail
[[Lapse of Certainty]] is a better option for cute counters imo
surreal shoalBOT
near birch
[[mana tithe]] time to be cute?
In a non blue deck absolutely go for it.
mild harness
Oh no I mean in Yshtola as a joke
umbral ruin
https://scryfall.com/card/con/9/lapse-of-certainty
This also wastes a draw on their part
umbral ruin
Seconding Solitary confinement, card in some games will just lock a win in
Yeah, ever since I included it it’s been a game changer
And if you get something like a spellskite down it’s Joever
jade bear
I just rembered that there is a funniest counterspell for my meta [[Render Silent]]
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
Ayo!???
jade bear
Funniest part, second sentence work even if you try to counter uncounterable 
umbral ruin
Is it time to replace refute?
wide quiver
[[refute]]
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
Time came years ago
near birch
Yeah, ever since I included it it’s been a game changer
Ok it's going in, I just gotta make room somehow someway.
umbral ruin
I had a game locked in with a rune momma, solitary confinement, and spellskite lol
tranquil sparrow
Render silent is pretty great especially if you cast it on someone's first spell after cyclonic rifting the board
lusty igloo
[[Proft's Eidetic]] thoughts on this over thought vessel? I'm thinking it might be winmore and we're more mana hungry than card draw hungry. But beeg Yshtola seems tempting
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
Oh that’s a cool card
green vigil
Unless your focusing on combat wins in yshtola i dont think its worth it
lusty igloo
i think you guys are right but needed people to validate me
just feels so weird that thought vessel is better with so much less text lol
near birch
Holy moly [[solitary confinement]] is the truth! It singlehandedly kept me in the game, that in total went on for a good 11 turns. Allowed me to gather my pieces and close out the game!
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
Yeah if there isn’t enchantment removal you just win the game
And if they do try to you probs have a counterspell ready
wide quiver
Can still lose to commander damage though, rip
desert sequoia
Can still lose to commander damage though, rip
Nothing funnier than someone TefPro-ing and then getting [[Insult//Injury]] killed
surreal shoalBOT
Sorcery
Damage can't be prevented this turn. If a source you control would deal damage this turn, it deals double that damage instead.
Injury 
Sorcery
Aftermath (Cast this spell only from your graveyard. Then exile it.)
Injury deals 2 damage to target creature and 2 damage to target player or planeswalker.
keen grail
[[Frenzied Baloth]] is see use now too
surreal shoalBOT
tranquil sparrow
Can still lose to commander damage though, rip
Wouldn't solitary confinement still stop that since it prevents damage? I'd assume it would work the same way as if someone swings at you with a lifelink creature, completely nullifying it.
wide quiver
I was mistaking it for a different effect
green vigil
Wouldn't solitary confinement still stop that since it prevents damage? I'd assu...
Yes it stops it. But theres ways around prevent damage. Which primarily requires red. Or luke above said balloth will stop it
lusty igloo
Can still lose to commander damage though, rip
???
you dont take commander damage when solitary is up
oops i just repeated someone
wide quiver
I was mistaking it for a different effect
.
lusty igloo
umbral ruin
Can still lose to commander damage though, rip
How
wide quiver
I was mistaking it for a different effect
.
umbral ruin
Copy
void grove
You were thinking of life total can't change effects like [[flare of fortitude]] I guess
surreal shoalBOT
willow steppe
high vine
ok so I am looking at cards like the Pillow Cards Ghostly Prison or Propaganda, but on a higher powerlevel, cause I figured both are extremly bad, vs Voltron Strategies and in general against stuff that only attacks with 2-3 creatures.
I already put in [[Soul Shatter]] against Voltron stuff too
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
A few cuts
I think
These are my opinions
-windfall
-pollywog
-bojuka
-lotus field
-as foretold
-amphibian downpour (maybe)
Not enough cheap interaction
wide quiver
I quite like amphibian downpour
umbral ruin
That’s why I said maybe
It looks good
But I think about casting spells and I’m unsure how many you could get off
green vigil
Storm is anybody, not just you
I like to do amphibian downpour at the end of someone else's turn where they cast 2-4 things. Then I get 3+ effects
compact vine
Thinking about cutting Quistis
wide quiver
Quistis is awful imo
green vigil
I would
There's intances and sorceries that do the same thing but actually trigger yshtola
umbral ruin
Storm is anybody, not just you
I see
compact vine
The idea with Quistis was that I have Displacer Kitten and [[Y’shtola Rhul]] in the deck
surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
So continuous uses
umbral ruin
[[quistis]]
surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
But I also run Torrential Gearhulk, which is that but better
umbral ruin
You’re prolly better off running [emet selch of the third seat]]
Fuck
[[emet selch of the]]
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Creature — Elder Wizard
Spells you cast from your graveyard cost less to cast.
Whenever one or more opponents lose life, you may cast target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead. Do this only once each turn.
3/4
compact vine
Have him in there already
umbral ruin
Cool stuff
lusty igloo
Is anyone else on bolas top? I'm thinking about freeing up the gamechanger slot with [[gwenom]] but I'm not sure how I feel about waiting and entire turn to do my thing.
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
Gwenom is notably worse here
fervent burrow
I think id rather eat a slot over Gwenom. Telegraphing it could really hurt
wide quiver
Also, # of GCs is so silly lol
midnight bloom
How good is this precon outta the box?
fervent burrow
Depends which direction you want to take the deck, but its one of the most... upgradable decks
The land base is amazing for a precon tho
midnight bloom
Depends which direction you want to take the deck, but its one of the most... up...
I want people to hate me on a budget lmao
fervent burrow
Pillowfort Goad is pretty cheap. Pillow yourself up, make everyone else swing constantly, a bit of burn, draw a card each turn
Enchantments specifically as the subtheme can be done cheaply. Curiosity for example will uh, 10x your draw efficiency. So
midnight bloom
Enchantments specifically as the subtheme can be done cheaply. Curiosity for exa...
oh gotcha!
i did get a lot of them from Spidey
fervent burrow
Oh all our decks are in Pinned if you want ideas or suxh
midnight bloom
Oh all our decks are in Pinned if you want ideas or suxh
pkay! im still thinking if i want this precon or what other esper ones there are
near birch
Is anyone else on bolas top? I'm thinking about freeing up the gamechanger slot ...
In this deck, I'd rather just play Citidel
high vine
I want people to hate me on a budget lmao
you can do it on a budget, cause a decent chunk of cards are cheap. The issue is the precon leads into some weird token based strategy, which is not really what Yshtola herself wants to do all that much. She is more of a Control/Pillowfort type of commander that comes out.
Like if you want to play Yshtola at her most annoying, you could probably cut like 40+ cards 😅
high vine
These are my opinions
-windfall
-pollywog
-bojuka
-lotus field
-as foretold
-a...
Pollywog I completely understand, it fits a lot better in decks that can buff him up like my Raffine deck, Windfall I usually like as a free hand refill, if I run low due to things like Solitary Confinement, Bojuka is just generic graveyard hate, cause one of my pods players runs a pretty annoying reanimator deck.
Lotus Field....yeah thats something I cut too 😂
As Foretold is decent in slower games, but kinda rough, if people try to eliminate me first. 😅
What would you suggest adding?
(Sheoldred is still a bit too expansive for me 😅 )
probably Swords to Plowshares and An Offer you can't refuse type of cards 😅
maybe One or two more boardwipes like [[Promise of Loyalty]] or [[Starfall Invocation]]
lusty igloo
How good is this precon outta the box?
bad
i'd go singles and u'd still be cracked
midnight bloom
bad
i'd go singles and u'd still be cracked
i have swapped, i am going golgari Gitrog monster combo go brrr
lusty igloo
gonna simp for [[dauthi voidwalker]] he's been a star in my games
surreal shoalBOT
Creature — Dauthi Rogue
Shadow (This creature can block or be blocked by only creatures with shadow.)
If a card would be put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, instead exile it with a void counter on it.
, Sacrifice this creature: Choose an exiled card an opponent owns with a void counter on it. You may play it this turn without paying its mana cost.
3/2
wide quiver
Yeah, void walker is great
umbral ruin
It’s so good
wide quiver
Sygg's good
fervent burrow
Gotta hide cause those are not officially previewed cards
wide quiver
Oh, for some reason I thought it was [[!sygg, river cutthroat]]
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
Which is also good
daring oriole
[[tragic arrogance]] Do i choose for each player or does each player choose from their own creature/enchantment/artifacts?
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
You choose
daring oriole
... I've slept on this card so hard then
daring oriole
bc i thought it allowed the table to choose their best 3 to keep
desert sequoia
I'm not a huge fan of it
It's very funny if you're up against an artifact/enchantment creature deck
wide quiver
Yeah, seems good against artifact/enchantment heavy decks
desert sequoia
You can choose the artifact and the creature to be the same card
wide quiver
But otherwise I would prefer [[vow of loyalty]]
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
[[promise of loyalty]]
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
I’m still a fan of [[slaughter the strong]]
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
Same.
umbral ruin
Yknow how funny it is to keep have Zur the enchanter, rune momma and yhstola out
And spend three mana to cast a very one sided board wipe
near birch
... I've slept on this card so hard then
It's in my list. It's my artifact enchantment hate for the deck.
I like it a lot!
daring oriole
I technically dont.. have to choose right?
near birch
You do :]
umbral ruin
Jesus solitary confinement is too good
vital steppe
won an y'shtola mirror thanks to painful quandry
combined with a farewell + funny daniel drop and burn for 14
high vine
Two things I wonder how you guys manage to keep Y'shtola on the field, cause I often have the struggle that the moment people see me play her most of the removal is targetted at her.
Also what do you think of [[Papalymo Totolymo]] and [[Sygg, River Cutthroat]]?
desert sequoia
Two things I wonder how you guys manage to keep Y'shtola on the field, cause I o...
I don't. I play her, stick curiosity and go BRRRR
She's almost never on my field if I'm not going for the win
high vine
lol so what are your Win Cons?
desert sequoia
I play more creatures than many other decks to get away with tho
high vine
I am on like 14-15 creatures 😅
desert sequoia
lol so what are your Win Cons?
Omniscience (mostly) deterministic storm
high vine
also I don't play Omniscience, cause its just way to expansive in terms of mana
desert sequoia
[[!Abuelo's Awakening]] targeting Omniscience in the graveyard, cast my entire deck
surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
4 Mana is cheap 🙂
desert sequoia
I'm on 18 creatures
desert sequoia
https://archidekt.com/decks/13612460/cat_girl_power
This is mine. Your looks fine - mine is a meme deck, but in my experience [[!Dovin's Veto]] performs better than [[!Unwind]]
umbral ruin
I’m on [[show and tell]]
surreal shoalBOT
high vine
I am honestly not even a big fan of Omniscience 😅
fervent burrow
https://archidekt.com/decks/13612460/cat_girl_power
high vine
like even, if you get it out like that its still a two card combo that requiures you to have stuff you play with it 😅
oi my deck got pinned 😂
high vine
ahh okk ^^
daring oriole
Seems like youd just cheat out omniscience when you get curiosity going, you'll always have cards in hand
im tempting to just put in abuelo as a back up plan for bolas
high vine
speaking of Curiosity. I know talking about leaked cards is a bit of a no no, but their is this one card that I have seen that apparently is in Lorwyn that sounds really really good 😂
btw. anyone thoughts on [[Liessa, Shroud of Dusk]]?
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Creature — Angel
Rather than pay for each previous time you've cast this spell from the command zone this game, pay 2 life that many times.
Flying, lifelink
Whenever a player casts a spell, they lose 2 life.
5/5
high vine
or is [[Drana and Linvala]] a better hatebearer?
surreal shoalBOT
daring oriole
I use Liesa like a budget sheoldred
daring oriole
flying/lifelink and helps endstep trigger
high vine
yeah, cause Sheoldred is way to expansive xD
bevor ich über 60 für Terra bezahle, hole ich mir eher die Tutoren für 40 😅
lusty igloo
Two things I wonder how you guys manage to keep Y'shtola on the field, cause I o...
Papalymo is a yay. Better curiosity target than yshtola and you need less reliance on yshtola to assuage her KOS nature
lusty igloo
Two things I wonder how you guys manage to keep Y'shtola on the field, cause I o...
Sygg is considerable. Top 200 card can definitely make some cuts
high vine
Papalymo is a yay. Better curiosity target than yshtola and you need less relian...
true 🤔
high vine
yeah Lin is great ^^
umbral ruin
im tempting to just put in abuelo as a back up plan for bolas
This is what I’m realizing
high vine
how good is [[Smothering Tithe]] in Yshtola?
surreal shoalBOT
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent draws a card, that player may pay . If the player doesn't, you create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"I await your donation." —Dasha, Orzhov priest
desert sequoia
Seems like youd just cheat out omniscience when you get curiosity going, you'll ...
Correct. This is the wincon for my deck.
wide quiver
how good is [[Smothering Tithe]] in Yshtola?
About as good as it is in every deck with white. Very.
desert sequoia
Lemme put it this way
Smothering Tithe + Sol Ring as seat 1 is basically winning on the spot
lusty igloo
how good is [[Smothering Tithe]] in Yshtola?
I run it over rhystic. We are mana deprived not card draw deprived
high vine
yeah pretty much. 😅
lusty igloo
It’s an instant slot for a GC for me. The other two are flimsy and I’m teetering between slotting in something over my other two slots
high vine
think my other two are Fierce, cause it just synergizes really well with her and C-Rift....cause I do not have Teferi 😂
oh right Mystic Tutor is a GC too these days 😅
daring oriole
[[clever concealment]] as my budget teferi 
surreal shoalBOT
Instant
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Any number of target nonland permanents you control phase out. (Treat them and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until your next turn.)
daring oriole
Alongside solitary confinement*
lusty igloo
think my other two are Fierce, cause it just synergizes really well with her and...
I don’t believe in cyclonic rift
In yshtola I mean
wide quiver
But yshtola is in blue
lusty igloo
high vine
my big issue is how to deal with Voltron Decks or Go Wide decks. That attack with their board into me?
for Voltron I usually use a [[Soul Shatter]]
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
my big issue is how to deal with Voltron Decks or Go Wide decks. That attack wit...
Just run a bunch of one sided board wipes
All the pillowfort and solitary confinement
Then the matchup should be one sided. I think yshtola hardest matchups are multiple control players, aristocrats/non-gowide landfall (she can’t interact), and turbo combo
fervent burrow
Yeah, 1 sided wipes and propaganda taxes for go wide, then for voltron you should be in the 3 best colors to remove single target stuff honestly
high vine
Love Solitary, but not a fan of Ghostly Prison
lusty igloo
They put in work
fervent burrow
Ghostly means you cant be craterhoofed, often
high vine
got traumatized once, when I was on a table with two Voltron players and got both Prison and Propaganda on hand 😂
lusty igloo
Yeah I mean still good for non Voltron
surreal shoalBOT
Sorcery
Destroy all creatures with power 3 or greater. Then create a Food token for each creature you control. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
The Tooks marched in with Pippin at their head. Merry now had enough sturdy Hobbitry to deal with the ruffians.
high vine
C-Rift
fervent burrow
Starfall Invocation is probably worth it also
high vine
yeah was torn between Starfall and Promise of Loyalty
lusty igloo
I run 6 I think
fervent burrow
Starfall loses your auras but wiping everything else is really strong
lusty igloo
Tragic Arrogance is better than both imo. And Unstable Glyphbridge. You really , really want the option to choose instead of them choosing.
Do not give them the choice
Star falls problem is it kills curiosity
fervent burrow
Glyph is good
lusty igloo
I’d drop phrexian metamorph and mockingbird for either sakishimi the impostor or neither
Tragic arrogance is insane since it hits non creatures and you can choose things like artifact creatures to be both artifact and creature
Those two clone choices can’t hit yshtola
I think you have too much 3cmc+ interaction and I’m not sure about some choices like touch the spirit realm (usually a ETB deck staple)
My opinion but voice of victory and other similar cards are not as potent in b3 than in high power
high vine
I’d drop phrexian metamorph and mockingbird for either sakishimi the impostor or...
does Sakashima clone yshtola?
lusty igloo
Yes and you can also clone enemy creatures if they’re better choices
Sakashimi the impostor I mean. Don’t do partner Sakashimi it can only hit your own
high vine
what about [[Spark Double]]?
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
Impostor is better because it avoids unstable glyphbridge and battle of bywater , and can select enemy creatures
high vine
doesnt Spark also avoid Bywater?
lusty igloo
[[slaughter the strong]] another mainstay
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
You wanna avoid 3 mana one for ones it’s inefficient to control the whole board. Just have a few to get rid of non creatures must remove that you failed to counter
But rely on counterspells
high vine
I think you have too much 3cmc+ interaction and I’m not sure about some choices ...
Touch I can use to avoid some targeted spells against Y'shtola. I can also ice out an opponents commander
lusty igloo
Are you missing force of negation I didn’t check
high vine
too expansive :/
lusty igloo
Touch I can use to avoid some targeted spells against Y'shtola. I can also ice o...
No it’d just go in exile and command zone. It’s a one for one
I use it in Atraxa GU and Celes and am aware it’s often a versatile card, but here is not on of its best times to shine if we can’t get value from ETB
lusty igloo
too expansive :/
Oh….
high vine
No it’d just go in exile and command zone. It’s a one for one
why should it go into the command zone?
lusty igloo
It goes into exile
high vine
still it triggers ysthola
compact vine
Part of me wants to throw in [[greater Auramancy]]
surreal shoalBOT
high vine
btw. if Sakashima copies a creature anyway, why does it have a statline unlike Spark Double?
lusty igloo
still it triggers ysthola
The one that does one for each opponent is probably better
high vine
[[Grasp of Fate]]
surreal shoalBOT
high vine
kinda makes you a bigger target though and again I can use Touch to protect Yshtola
lusty igloo
Idk you can keep it if you want. Just caution from having too many one for ones it’s not enough to control the entire table and survive archenemies which you’ll often find yourself in
umbral ruin
how good is [[Smothering Tithe]] in Yshtola?
Very
lusty igloo
I’d also have a few more tutors to get curiosities into solitary more consistently.p
high vine
btw. what are your thoughts on [[Teferi, Time Raveler]] ?
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
There are better board wipes in yshtola
lusty igloo
Instant include in bracket 4+ yshtola. Doesn’t make cut for b3. Same problem as voice of victory - super high interaction/counterspell wars are far less common
Also we’re not on kitten + t3f combo since we don’t have Moxes available to us
lusty igloo
Yeah because a cyc rift in stuff like Ureni = game over
A cyc rift in yshtola means the board is clear for yshtola to swing for 2
Still good, GC slot? Not worth one of the few we have
high vine
true that
lusty igloo
As a bonus overload doesn’t proc yshtola
umbral ruin
I’m on
Fierce
Tithe
Bolas
lusty igloo
That’s my three too
high vine
should I put in Kambal, Consol of Allocation
lusty igloo
Yes
He’s debatable imo he gets insane in b4+
Due to stuff like breach and storm being more common
compact vine
https://scryfall.com/card/shm/7/greater-auramancy
Anyone played around with this?
high vine
oh also two cards I am unsure about are Hullbreaker and Voidwalker
lusty igloo
But I still like him in b3
compact vine
I have an anime art of it without a home
lusty igloo
Voidwalker is an absolute beast I highly recommend
high vine
yeah I once played him against a friend that tried to play Reanimator he cursed so bad against the thing xD
lusty igloo
Drop hullbreaker. Same as t3f and kitten. The reason is because Mox diamond, chrome Mox, and similar are game changers, we don’t play them. Likewise we won’t have Mox opal cuz we don’t have those. Missing those cards makes hykkbreaker lines much less consistent, especially without the usual tutors to get the combos consistent (vampiric, demonic, imperial seal)
These combos are more potent in b4 and don’t make the cut in b3
also reanimate over that one 3 mana one you have
high vine
ok so what should I replace him with
lusty igloo
Don’t fall for synergy bait. If you reanimate yshtola you lose 4 life and draw a card from it end of turn
high vine
Necromancy allows me to target any graveyard though
high vine
oh nvm
umbral ruin
Bolas and top let you run through your deck
lusty igloo
They’re already on bolas too
Top
I personally think lim dul vault is the best of the tutors
Waterlogged teachings should also be in. You can use it to tutor for fierce, flawless, or deadly rollick depending on what you need for free. And two yshtola spells. And of course use it as a land otherwise. Just way way better than sink into stupor
umbral ruin
I’m also on urza’s saga so having two option of sol ring or top is good in case I drew the other
lusty igloo
I’m on Mox amber personally as well
umbral ruin
I like wishclaw
lusty igloo
It’s gud but less so since we don’t combo
If ur good at politicking and can get it back it’s probably the best
high vine
I kinda consider putting [[Silence]] in aswell
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
I like tutoring then killing it off with [[staff of completion]]
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact
, Pay 1 life: Destroy target permanent you own.
, Pay 2 life: Add one mana of any color.
, Pay 3 life: Proliferate.
, Pay 4 life: Draw a card.
: Untap this artifact.
lusty igloo
I dun like that one but that just me
high vine
I personally think lim dul vault is the best of the tutors
how does Lim dul even work xD
the wording on the text is so weird
umbral ruin
I like drawing two cards off it
lusty igloo
It’s just a tutor except you order the next 4 cards after the tutor as well
It’s a high skill card though
Sometimes you want to skip the first curiosity you see since the next four cards aren’t good enough
If you have lots of fetches it works rly well
Get the top three good cards, then shuffle your deck for the next two trash ones with fetch
Also important it’s instant speed.
high vine
can you describe how the effect of that card resolves. I don't get it 😅
umbral ruin
I have all the fetches lol
lusty igloo
The thing about grim tutor and idyllic tutors is it telegraphs your grabbing curiosity (or whatever) for 3 mana, spending more mana to cast it, and just have the little leftover for interaction to protect it
When you lim dul at the end of third players turn, you get your curiosity on your turn with all your mana up and cast it for just 1 mana
Yeah you look at top 5 cards. If you like it reorder it the way you want. If you don’t pay 1 life and look at next 5. Repeat as many times as you want
It’s high skill as in, if you’re a super sweat you should be keeping in mind not just what you’re looking for, but what you have seen already, and what you haven’t seen already that’s still in your deck
The lifelosss profs yshtola as a bonus
lusty igloo
Yeah you look at top 5 cards. If you like it reorder it the way you want. If you...
Oops *pay 1 life put the trash on bottom and look at next 5 instead
umbral ruin
Life is merely a resource
high vine
Oops *pay 1 life put the trash on bottom and look at next 5 instead
ahh now I get it you can basically choose your next 5 cards you draw. This is honestly really quite strong xD
lusty igloo
ahh now I get it you can basically choose your next 5 cards you draw. This is ho...
Former cedh card that got outshined by cards like vampiric. But since we can’t waste a GC slot it’s probably next best
high vine
what do you think of [[Into the Flood Maw]] may replace C Rift with it
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
Mid lol. I don’t know. A lot of these look like high power cards. They’ll just recast it, I’d rather run a one mana counterspell
fervent burrow
Fine as a bounce but cyc is top of class, if expensive. Plus notably Flood Maw cant target your own stuff for protection
lusty igloo
Just be wary that some high power cards don’t transfer to good b3 decks
I’d definitely be on swan song before this
high vine
already have the Swan Song in ^^
lusty igloo
O
U should be on more fetches, and no tapped lands
Those tapped lands and filter lands are not good. If on budget do painlands
But should be on 6+ fetches if not all possible
high vine
already have Painlands
lusty igloo
You’ll never be wrong color screwed even for the harder pips like beseech
high vine
Tapped Lands I can see, but Filter Lands are usually pretty good
lusty igloo
The ones that enter tapped and you can’t do anything about it have to go
high vine
wait I dont have any of those that always enter tapped except Bojuka Bog
lusty igloo
I mean the ones that enter tapped on a condition that you may not have
Shocks are fine
And things you can pay life are fine
But if it sometimes makes you not cast a spell that a OG dual would’ve not, it has to go
high vine
ahh yeah those 3. I guess they can go
lusty igloo
3 fetches ideal
high vine
I technically have more fetches like the Blue/Green, Black/Green, and Black/Red once
lusty igloo
Yeah those are great
high vine
ok so what cards would you put in that would be at best below 20 Euro individually 😅
lusty igloo
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh let me see
Giver of runes, restoration magic, lim duls vault, wishclaw talisman maybe, dovins veto maybe, one or two more bowrdwuoes they’re like 30 cents, pillowfort
U hav frantic already right
high vine
Could I substitute Giver with something like [[Pippin, Guardian of the Citadel]]?
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Creature — Halfling Soldier
Vigilance, ward
: Another target creature you control gains protection from the card type of your choice until end of turn. (It can't be blocked, targeted, dealt damage, enchanted, or equipped by anything of that type.)
"Here do I swear fealty to Gondor, until my lord release me, or death take me."
2/2
lusty igloo
Yes just be aware that it’s in the same mana range as mana rocks
T1 mother t2 rock t3 yshtola is ideal
I run thought vessel over decanter for that reason
high vine
btw. what do you think of a card like [[Delay]]?
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
No just run mana drain arcane denial or raw counterspell instead
In b3 that card is actually coming back
high vine
which one?
lusty igloo
The suspended card
In high power game ends before it does often, and often it’s another counterspell which will fizzle
high vine
oh are Blind Obedience and Authority of Cosuls worth it btw. Usually I like both quite a bit, but havent used them much in Yshtola yet
lusty igloo
Maybe one of them is probably fine
I’d drop that five mana exquisite tho does too little and makes u a MASSIVE target
Why would they attack each other and heal you instead of attacking you
Also known as a combo card
high vine
[[Vile Consumption]] is also a funny card ^^
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
I had it too but it made people target me. I tried moving away from those
I think [[Tabernacle]] is stronger for 3 less mana
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
[[tabernacle at]]
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Land
All creatures have "At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy this creature unless you pay ."
lusty igloo
Also for 2K more dollars…
high vine
yeah that is certainly a price xD
lusty igloo
I’m probably replacing unwind with dovins veto
high vine
btw. the cursed totem is something that I usually use against decks that run Commanders with activation costs. like a friend runs [[Terra, Herald of Hope]] and he hates it 😅
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard Warrior
Trance — At the beginning of combat on your turn, mill two cards. Terra gains flying until end of turn.
Whenever Terra deals combat damage to a player, you may pay . When you do, return target creature card with power 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
3/3
lusty igloo
He’d probably hate [[rest in peace]] more
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
I personally recommend it but if you have set in stone pods just see how much GY they run
I think aristocrats is a rly hard matchup so it was originally for that
wide quiver
could also run [[leyline of the void]]
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
Also better if you want to use your gy
high vine
well the other friend of mine runs [[Mendicant Core, Guidelight]]
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
Mendicant Core's power is equal to the number of artifacts you control.
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
Max speed — Whenever you cast an artifact spell, you may pay . If you do, copy it. (The copy becomes a token.)
*/3
wide quiver
Although it doesn't exile the gy when it comes out
lusty igloo
Leaving cards for friend counters is perfectly fine
lusty igloo
Although it doesn't exile the gy when it comes out
Ye Main problem
wide quiver
Ya
high vine
wait between Rest in Peace and [[Grafdiggers Casket]] or [[Weathered Runestone]]?
lusty igloo
I personally,y recommend rest in peace since it exiles graveyards, and prevents things from dying
This is important for hard matchups like [[sepiroth]] who need things to die to do anything
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
[[sepiroth, fabled]]
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lusty igloo
The other two u listed… once they are removed, the stuff that came in before or after the artifact was placed will now be available to use
high vine
This is important for hard matchups like [[sepiroth]] who need things to die to ...
yeah my Raffine deck also suffers hard against Rest in Peace 😂
lusty igloo
For rest in peace they have to start again after
Yeah it’s rly rly strong and backbreaking for some decks that are super greedy and went all GY synergy and no removsl
People will get mad tho lol
high vine
btw. thoughts on [[Silence]]?
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
B4+ card I think
Since were not comboing and aren’t worried about stopping combos, the main functionality is gone
So now we’re just protecting a curiosity cast? I don’t know, it’s just not worth it
lusty igloo
She ok I guess 
high vine
was between her and Drana and Linvala at one point
lusty igloo
Who’s drana
high vine
[[Drana and Linvala]]
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
Yeah that’s gonna be a meta call for your pods
high vine
she is also a decently sized flyer blocker
so I just need to think what to replace Exquisit Blood with 😂
high vine
my pod does not usually look at the number of GCs I have 😅
and its a decent tutor so 🤷♂️
lusty igloo
Lol ok
high vine
oh right I could put in Tragic Arrogance
btw. how does Tragic Arrogance against Hexproof/Shroud?
lusty igloo
[[tragic arrogance]]
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
Yes u can pick them still
I doubt you want to…. Pretty sure they have shroud cuz they’re the scarier ones
high vine
a friend of mine plays Enchantments and so has stuff like [[Sterling Grove]] and [[Priviledged Position]]
surreal shoalBOT
Enchantment
Other enchantments you control have shroud. (They can't be the targets of spells or abilities.)
, Sacrifice this enchantment: Search your library for an enchantment card, reveal it, then shuffle and put that card on top.
Enchantment
(
can be paid with either 
or .)
Other permanents you control have hexproof. (They can't be the targets of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
"We in the Conclave have a saying: 'When you hold a shield, lend your shield.' The strong must never forget what they owe to the weak." —Niszka, Selesnya evangel
high vine
sadly I probably end up losing some cards too with tragic arrogance
lusty igloo
sadly I probably end up losing some cards too with tragic arrogance
It’s usually much in ur favor
U keep yshtola + curiosity it’s probably game over for them
U pick their pieces of trash to keep
U usually have few permanents in yshtola as an instant sorcery heavy deck
high vine
btw. one card I really love in Yshtola is Talion 😂
what Value do you usually pick? I am always torn between 2 and 3
lusty igloo
Look at their commanders n guess
high vine
fair point 😅
btw. should I replace Swiftfood Boots
the protection is nice, but haste isnt really worth it at all
lusty igloo
WHAT THE FUCK I JUST COOKED MY LUNCHF RO FOUR HOURS INSYEAD OF 15 MIN
ITS CHARCOAL BLACK
no we need protection
high vine
WTF lol that is brutal 😂
lusty igloo
If you think of better hexproof let me know I also would replace
I will say if your pod has super sweats and tou face 4-5 instants when you curiosity your cat, you need to be on grand abolished voice of victory etc
It’s just not common for b3 where people r most interested in making their decks do their things
high vine
yeah I rarely run into any counter spells. Most things are removal like Swords to Plowshare or they try to force me into blocks with attacks
lusty igloo
Yeah that’s fine
high vine
which is why I even thought of [[Inkshield already]]
surreal shoalBOT
high vine
also now that I think of it. I have an [[Idyllic Tutor]] lying around 😂
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lusty igloo
Yesterday vs the boogie man of San Francisco on turn 6 I cast helm of the ghastliest and had to Misdirection, Swan Song, arcane denial, AND restoration magic and my yshtola still got bounced to my hand before I even got one curiosity trigger
That was tilting
lusty igloo
also now that I think of it. I have an [[Idyllic Tutor]] lying around 😂
Put it in!!!
Screw it just put it over mystical
high vine
lol xD
lusty igloo
(Ok prob not)
high vine
yeah I was like oh yeah it searches half my Win Cons 😂
high vine
Yesterday vs the boogie man of San Francisco on turn 6 I cast helm of the ghastl...
they certainly did their best against you 😅
lusty igloo
Yup it’s not very thought provoking. Not 20. Cards in hand -> curiosity. 20 cards in hand -> solitary. 10% of time it’s smothering insyead of those two
Oh I forgot. Waterlogged teachings also tutors for ophidian eye
high vine
true though the land part enters tapped :/
lusty igloo
(And amphibian downpour but I don’t run that one)
MFDC land it’s fine
Way better than bojuka bog lol
Which is already versatile enough to get included in many decks
high vine
btw. how is restoration magic?
lusty igloo
I personally recommend it, it’s like a 1 mana counterspell but sometimes better
Like if enemy boardwipe, tou don’t wanna counter it. You leave cat alive, you’re in a better spot
high vine
true, though you could also spend one more colorless to get some life
lusty igloo
Sometimes flawless maneuver doesn’t help u but restoration does. Scenarios are like attacking your curiosity instead of your cat, attacking solitary confinement with Boseiju or Otawara, nothing else in your deck will save your game
Since you don’t run stifle
high vine
it reminds me of a white version of [[Tamiyo's Safekeeping]]
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
And having one answer to everything is important because when you ARE Jin the super ahead mode where you have 30 cards in hand, you want to make sure your deck has an answer to everything and the game is always over
lusty igloo
Do you have any one land destruction card? @high vine just for stopping glacial chasm loops
high vine
[[Strip Mine]]
surreal shoalBOT
Land
: Add 
.
, Sacrifice this land: Destroy target land.
Unlike previous conflicts, the war between Urza and Mishra made Dominaria itself a casualty of war.
lusty igloo
I’d run generously gift maybe over void rend? Not 100% sure if it’s too niche for your pods
I play versus hundreds of ppl and i didn’t have an answer to glacial chasm loop so I added generous gift. It up to you
Kinda niche. Like I gave up versus infinite health decks. I have no answer and don’t want to add infect. These scenarios are niche enough to be holes in our decks
high vine
yeah lifegain decks can be quite the menace. I have a [[Sythis, Harvest Hand]] deck and eventhough the lifegain is mostly passive it is noticable 😅
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high vine
@lusty igloo btw. do you think my Pod is gonna kill me, if I play [[Narset, Parter of Veils]] or is that more of a B4 card aswell 😅
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high vine
well only needs to get one search off. And she also triggers yshtola since she is a 3CMC noncreature xD
lusty igloo
She’s not rly for the search it’s more for the card draw denial
Better decks like to draw cards
Card draw oki
high vine
true. I wonder, thoughts on [[Command Beacon]]?
surreal shoalBOT
Land
: Add .
, Sacrifice this land: Put your commander into your hand from the command zone.
"I gazed once into that light. Now it burns in my mind, forever denying me rest." —Riku of Two Reflections
lusty igloo
I personally like [[Kaito, Bane of nightmares]]
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Planeswalker — Kaito
Ninjutsu (, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
During your turn, as long as Kaito has one or more loyalty counters on him, he's a 3/4 Ninja creature and has hexproof.
+1: You get an emblem with "Ninjas you control get +1/+1."
0: Surveil 2. Then draw a card for each opponent who lost life this turn.
−2: Tap target creature. Put two stun counters on it.
Loyalty: 4
lusty igloo
He surveil 2 draw 3. Every turn. Because of yshtola ability
And dumb people let him live god knows why
high vine
true. His -2 is also pretty mean
lusty igloo
Also when u have solitary and propaganda and stuff, people are too dumb to to realize they can attack Kaito still
The thing is even one use he’s worth it. Surveil 2 draw 3 for 4 mana not bad
Because he procs yshtola on cast, it’s guranteed one use
high vine
ahh lol for a moment I was like. How does Ninjutsu work on him xD
high vine
then I read the part that he is also a creature
lusty igloo
https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/352/command-beacon
Meh I run stuff like beseech the mirror I can’t risk being color screwed
high vine
btw. do you ever flip the Glyphbridge?
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
oh one Card I wonder about. What about [[Praetors Grasp]]?
Meta call. Better vs combo decks
Note u can’t use mana of any color
high vine
true at worst you just fetch a sol ring or arcane signet 😅
lusty igloo
Often not worth it at that point of the game . U can just grim tutor for same mana and grab curiosity
Why risk whiffing and getting mid on enemy deck, when u can get the best card you built your deck for
It’s mostly for denial
And if the denial on one person isn’t lethal don’t do it. In cedh it’s more common since everyone plays the same cards, so you’ll be grabbing the other persons thoracle since you also play thoracle
But even in cedh the card is being phased out
high vine
true so instead play a Grim Tutor 😅
lusty igloo
true so instead play a Grim Tutor 😅
Ya
I’m on grim, but you can also do beseech the mirror if you’re confident in your mana base
high vine
oh I wonder, should I rather Grim Tutor or Diabolic Intent
high vine
figured not enough creatures for Intent
compact vine
Guessing based on the lack of answers, Greater Auramancy’s not worth consideration XD
lusty igloo
[[ Greater Auramancy]]
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
Guessing based on the lack of answers, Greater Auramancy’s not worth considerati...
probably almost playable
lusty igloo
i'd only play it if ur in a situation where ur playing off cards u own and not buying singles
it's not the worst
compact vine
Yeah I have an anime art I’m looking to put in a deck XD
But I can always just build an enchantress deck
lusty igloo
the problem is if ur yshtola has curiosity and survives a round you should already win
if ur casting curiosity onto yshtola, she's vulnerable the entire time before it resolves
compact vine
Oh mine’s just B3
lusty igloo
so unlike hexproof which would prevent them from targeting yshtola before curiosity lives, it doesnt do anything until it's safely landed on her. idk.
high vine
also I just read [[Condemn]] Man thats unfair, if you use it against an opponents commander xD
surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
I’m thinking about swapping shark typhoon or whatever it’s called back out for Hermes
compact vine
also I just read [[Condemn]] Man thats unfair, if you use it against an opponent...
Their commander would still just go to the command zone
high vine
how ?
compact vine
Any time it leaves the battlefield, the controller gets to choose if it goes back to the command zone
high vine
it only goes to command zone, if its exiled or put into the graveyard
compact vine
Am I wrong about that? That seems like a massive oversight
high vine
oh lol nah you are right my bad 😅
lusty igloo
Any time it leaves the battlefield, the controller gets to choose if it goes bac...
anytime it changes zones i think
umbral ruin
https://scryfall.com/card/m14/35/silence
It’s very good for one mana
We have obtained the heat
high vine
I wonder, if you got to choose, between [[Norn's Annex]] and [[Ghostly Prison]], which would you rather include?
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact
(
can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"May the memory of our fallen heroes ensnare the violent hearts of lesser men." —Great Threshold of Monserkat inscription
fervent burrow
Ghostly is more effective, but at a certain point annex can be untenable to actually pay for safely
high vine
well yeah due to its lifedrain, it offers a nice synergy
also decks that not run White Mana, can relatively easy become screwed by it
green vigil
Tbh "preventing attacks" doesn't do much in my experience. So many ways around it. I've ran all 3. And I honestly prefer norns annex. It will almost always allow yshtola to trigger
fervent burrow
It depends what deck you're against - I've had games I've won because the token spam player couldnt run me over with 20, and I've won because they couldnt afford to pay the 20 life to attack and kill me. I've also lost both ways because it was voltron and didnt matter lol
"Yeah I'll take 2 damage to hit you for 30 in the face, that is commander damage by the way"
high vine
for Voltron I have tragic Arrogance. Getting rid of all their buffs or, if they have more then 1 creature their commander gets toasted
also Slaughter the Strong
anyway outside of the fact that Sheoldred is missing, I think I am overall satisfied with my current version of my deck https://archidekt.com/decks/13612460/cat_girl_power
@fervent burrow you got maybe an idea on what to improve?
I am still unsure about Starfall Invocation
fervent burrow
I'm just comparing it to my deck but on phone so it's a bit odd, a lot of Yshtola is up to you and your power level tho https://archidekt.com/compare?diffFields=totalQuantity&one=d_13612460&two=d_11454482
Int's interesting we have almost NO overlap in creatures lol 4 matches, then we each have 11 uinique creatures
high vine
lol. I mean my powerlevel should be around high 3, low 4
fervent burrow
See I hate tutors and combos so we also have a lot of differences on those, like it's interesting seeing that you have Waterlogged Teachings, but I have Fell/Sink. I know mine still ahs some space for upgrades but that's life
green vigil
Being in esper you literally have ways around any style combat trick. And a ton of it
fervent burrow
Oh absolutely, you just have to pick which line you want to lean into more. For example, in your area you might never run into voltron! Less worry about that, in that case
high vine
yeah certainly
high vine
See I hate tutors and combos so we also have a lot of differences on those, like...
you also have more cards from the precon still in. 😅
The thing is I feel like I have more drain effects like Papalymo or Bloodchief Ascension
also personally I not a huge fan of Dig through Time, I would rather play [[Stock Up]]
surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
Indeed I do, basically when I got through the deck origianlly I scavenged all my bulk and bought a few singles for her, but honestly since release I haven't made many modifications
See now stock up would imply I opened one
high vine
cheapest I found is like for 7 Euro......for an uncommon xD
fervent burrow
Exactly 😓