#Y'shtola Communal Brewing

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lusty igloo
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drop Archmage of Runes, Choice of Damnations, Withering Torment (we're in white... we have actual permanetn removal), graha, Ertai's Scorn could be mindbreak trap or the one mana protection package (offer you cant refuse, swan song, restoration magic).

i'd also drop jin-gitaxias personally. i dont think either cleaver concealment or teferis is that good for us. clever especially might be hard to get the free conealment that other decks like winota easily get... we dont have many creatures

you're missing a gamechanger. probably tithe?

waterlogged teachings is super flexible and double trigger. should be on papalymo as well.

i'd run a few more tutors as well just to make curiosity a bit more consistent. or classic if we already have curiosity, time to tutor solitary confinement

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if we're not rly on a budget, mana drain is just better than counterspell

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other than that it looks rly gud

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sorry papalymo b/c it's a superior curiosity holder than yshtola. and need some options if your commander is out of picture. ask for any other reasonings

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i'd only add infect as literally a counter to lifegain decks (i.e. infinite life) because y'shtola normally has absolutely no way to beat them

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it's overall not a strong strategy because yeah immense target on your head, 5cmcs isnt easy to do fast, (probably have to do artifact storm strat), and if your yshtola dies it was all for nothing

soft peak
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no need to run 3 gc if you dont want to ^^
no such thing as missing one

lusty igloo
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NOT FOR ME

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well thats not true

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but if i love a deck i try to optimize it

soft peak
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which is what bracket 4 is called..

lusty igloo
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for my unloved dekcs they can have 0-2

lusty igloo
soft peak
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its muddy

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but if your intent is to make the deck as strong as you can within the hard rules, its no longer b3

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anyways my only point is that you dont need to fill your allocated gc slots if you dont want

lusty igloo
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idk bruh my b4 yshtola would probably be on like 30 gamechangers

maiden widget
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Well a B4 deck can only have 3 GC and still b4 bc you optimized the f out of it

soft peak
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I tend to overoptimize my decks as well so I shoot a little under the hard reqs, gc only when they are synergistic not just cus tithe/rhystic/etc are generically busted

compact vine
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Mine only has one GC, but it’s definitely still a 3

daring oriole
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i think my deck is also chilling pretty happily at a low b3 with just a bolas

compact vine
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Mine’s Smothering Tithe

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I could take it out and I’d still say it’s a 3 though

wide quiver
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[[moonlit meditation]] for a token deck

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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got another lost

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struggling in pods with 2 other control players

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these fatass 3 mana counterspells are so bad. im thinking of switching over things like undermine to flusterstorm. but im not sure

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maybe mindbreak trap

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oh probably arcane denial?

lusty igloo
crisp mesa
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[[Choice of Damnations]] is just a funny card in general. Not good in a lot of things (minus like Tergrid), but I think I just like mini-games.

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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If I put in like 2 good tutor

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And some fetches

lusty igloo
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💀

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assuming good tutor = grim tutor and not vampiric

maiden widget
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Demonic and Vampiric

compact vine
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Mine’s a hard 3

maiden widget
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Mystical too

lusty igloo
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mine's 3.5 atm

lusty igloo
maiden widget
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Mine at 2

compact vine
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One game changer, one tutor

maiden widget
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One of them is Prator grasp

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😂

maiden widget
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Sorry

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I’ll reject everything and play worldly tutor

lusty igloo
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here are my high bracket 3 stats (not complete, only last 72 games)

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what's interesting is that everyone complains about Celes (persist combo without tutors... but it's turbo combo that attempts to win early with fast mana and final fortune stuff and wheels, or die trying) and zhulodok which can explode in turn 4 game overs. they say it's not bracket 3 and it's bracket 4, some crazy mfs say it's cedh

but nobody complains about y'shtola.. Think

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even though she does way better than the others... i think people just hate aggro and early wins

maiden widget
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Interesting that my Kuja deck now have better win rate than yshtola

compact vine
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My only 3’s are Y’shtola and Nahiri. MAYBE Chatterfang

compact vine
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People fear Y’shtola

granite sky
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[[loyal subordinate]] seems so perfect for this deck

surreal shoalBOT
granite sky
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it doesn't trigger ysh but its essentially 7 damage each of your turns if you cast 2 noncreatures

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thats game in like 4 turns

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[[court of ambition]]

surreal shoalBOT
granite sky
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i doubt youll keep the monarch unless you have your pillowforting out, but hey! hand attack and possibly life loss no matter what

soft peak
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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🤔

fervent burrow
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That kind of deck is basically what my old Liesa deck was

In my experience after everyone gets burned repeatedly they get annoyed

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Thats the same Liesa I had lol

soft peak
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Ya my liesa deck is meaaaan

fervent burrow
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My Yshtola games tend to be the burn is just there until I can pop off with clones and then burn 20 from everyone at once

granite sky
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I guess bolas citadel is a wincon?

fervent burrow
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It can be yeah, just gotta clear the lands off the top of the deck

granite sky
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what else?

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I don't really want a combo win honestly

soft peak
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Burn is a wincon

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Can add some group slug staples like kambal

fervent burrow
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Yeah you can definitely win on burn, just dont expect to do 4 dmg a turn every turn and not get focused after everyone realizes they're taking more dmg from you sitting than them swinging

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You gotta really have a backup for it

soft peak
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I think [[ankh of mishra]] is really interesting with ysh

surreal shoalBOT
granite sky
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do we think its worthwhile to still run low cost counterspells?

soft peak
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Yes

fervent burrow
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Historically my pillows will get knocked down at the 3v1 lol

granite sky
# soft peak Yes

even though no trigger? debating if I should put strix serenade and offer you cant refuse, long river's pull, and regular ol counterspell

soft peak
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The 2 mana ones are a weird spot

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Arcane denial id run

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Aside from that mostly what 1 costs you can

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And free 3+ costs

fervent burrow
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You can only run so many 3 mana counters before you're holding 6 mana to hope someone casts something worth countering

soft peak
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Is optimal id say

granite sky
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i think [[submerge]] is overrated

surreal shoalBOT
granite sky
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no green or no forest type and im cooked

soft peak
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Ye i dont run that

granite sky
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I own this card but I've been told that its great but I cant see it

soft peak
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It probably is great if you play with a lot of green fans

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My table is greenless often enough that would suck lol

granite sky
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exactly

soft peak
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Interested to see what urs looks like

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Ive rebuilt this commander 4 times now lol

fervent burrow
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Hmmmm let me see if it still exists

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I have some bad news

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But it was also a joke kinda, the deck had a restriction that every card HAD to have life on it, including lands. I even wrote "LIFE" on each basic

soft peak
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Lmaooo

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Mine is similar but

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I added some selective group hug to make some allies

fervent burrow
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The deck was called "Hasbro's Game of Life", the general idea any time I do anything expect someone to change life

soft peak
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That turns into burn when I have sheoldred out etc

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Hehe

maiden widget
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One I find a good deal on One of the free blue counter spell

robust rapids
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Does Y'sh have any need for rituals? I'm considering [[Turnabout]] to chain into another spell for 2 triggers

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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You’d have to have a very different deck than the standard ysrhola control decks

robust rapids
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fair

granite sky
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cutting [[fandaniel]]

surreal shoalBOT
granite sky
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too expensive when i could run a boardwipe in its place

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if it was sac a creature for EACH in my graveyard, that would be nice. but most decks can decide a creature a turn imo

compact vine
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I like it

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I also get two end steps though

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lusty igloo
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im close to cutting rewind

crisp mesa
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Yeah, not really being able to discount it somehow hurts how good it actually is.

granite sky
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[[rewind]]

surreal shoalBOT
granite sky
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4 mana counterspell isnt that bad imo

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for the sake of it being free essentially*

crisp mesa
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I mean it's not bad, it's just not being used to it's full potential.

maiden widget
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If you have 4 mana open it’s super good

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If you play bound lands it’s a net positive

lusty igloo
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my problem is vs control players

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my rewind gets countered and i cant respond anymore

maiden widget
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Any of your spell can get countered so

lusty igloo
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or i can play dovin's veto for 2

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or arcane denial and draw a card

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idk man. i think it's synergy biat. im officially done with rewind. i just have to decide what to replace it with

granite sky
lusty igloo
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i think we cant afford to be paying 3+ mana just to synergize in our most important interactions, counterspells

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besides free spells like force of will, force of negation, fierce guardianship which are powerhouses

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unwind is probably fine. rewind at 4 is just too ass

maiden widget
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lol if you have the fund for those spell then they are good yes but b3 budget still want unwind

granite sky
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dya think I shouldn't rely on 3 mana counterspells then? how many is too much? too little?

lusty igloo
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I've been finding a lot of value in 1 mana interaction in swan song, offer you can't refuse, and restoration magic

maiden widget
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I run a 5 cmc counter spell so

lusty igloo
maiden widget
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Honestly my yshtola deck is bad

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I lot of stuff in there bc I think it’s cute

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Like [[counterpoint]] [[press the enemy]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Prolly cut kitten soon

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I had fun with the combo but lol

granite sky
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I think both of those are fine

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counterpoint is a little expensive though

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ehh press the enemy is kinda expensive too

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lets just make all spells free

maiden widget
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But I don’t have FG

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Thou someone offer me a FG for 70% market

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I might take it

lusty igloo
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less combos = less need for silence

maiden widget
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Nah I need teferi

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I can’t let people cast spell like that

daring oriole
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i'm taking a look at this again but isnt this pretty dang expensive to cast?[[unstable glyphbridge]]

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/41/unstable-glyphbridge-sandswirl-wanderglyph

Unstable Glyphbridge <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact
When this artifact enters, if you cast it, for each player, choose a creature with power 2 or less that player controls. Then destroy all creatures except creatures chosen this way.
Craft with artifact mana3manawmanaw (mana3manawmanaw, Exile this artifact, Exile another artifact you control or an artifact card from your graveyard: Return this card transformed under its owner's control. Craft only as a sorcery.)

Sandswirl Wanderglyph
Artifact Creature — Golem
Flying
Whenever an opponent casts a spell during their turn, they can't attack you or planeswalkers you control this turn.
Each opponent who attacked you or a planeswalker you control this turn can't cast spells.
5/3

daring oriole
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3U2W x2 for a board wipe right?

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or is playing it for 3U2W... casting it?

fervent burrow
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It's a 3WW Selective Boardwipe

Then you may pay 3WW to make it the creature

daring oriole
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Sorry the "If you cast it" part threw me off

maiden widget
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The only correct art of AOYCR you should run in yshtola

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fervent burrow
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That card makes me mad because the art is clearly for [[!fact or fiction]]

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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Eugh

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[[!fact or fiction|clb]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Unsure why it got stuck in AOYCR

fervent burrow
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A mystery to this day

elder lagoon
maiden widget
elder lagoon
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It's a go to for me, fun card

maiden widget
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No I’m talking a about the cat art

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AOYCR is prolly top 3 counterspell

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For budget

compact vine
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Wait it’s a cat? I fully thought that was a rabbit XD

maiden widget
maiden widget
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I think im puting in [[fell the mighty]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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2 more losses today... I misplayed one of them. aristocrats/edicts decks still proves to be a hard matchup - resolved grave pact is just rly hard to deal with - i have no creatures to fodder.

got greedy and allowed a landfall jund player to draw 15 cards for my smothering tithe so I could bolas citadel + grim tutor -> papalymo. I think I shoudl've just trusted my bolas + top to win without papalymo. I'm gonna playtest 10 times and see how consistent bolas top wins

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with yshtola on board ofc

lusty igloo
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I just did a test to see how much I can trust Y'shtola + Bolas Citadel + Sensei's Divining Top to win on the spot with NO extra mana. Test was: start with 20 HP, no mana. 5 random starting cards. Deal 40 damage from drain to win.

I won with Bolas + Top 16/20 times. It seems VERY consistent, and I was very incorrect to greed smothering tithe to tutor for papalymo.... it seems I don't need to and I can rely on bolas + top to win on their own.

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lusty igloo
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went 9-1 with no starting hand

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tried without y'shtola. seems ass. commander spells are no longer free. clone effects/delney now no longer stabilize. it's hit papalymo/sheoldred early or fkn die

compact vine
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Thinking about playing around with [[minn illusionist]]

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/afc/16/minn-wily-illusionist

Minn, Wily Illusionist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Gnome Wizard
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 1/1 blue Illusion creature token with "This token gets +1/+0 for each other Illusion you control."
Whenever an Illusion you control dies, you may put a permanent card with mana value less than or equal to that creature's power from your hand onto the battlefield.
1/3

compact vine
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It’s like a cheaper Hermes

wide quiver
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Fewer tokens and dependent on ysh being out

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(Or other card draw)

compact vine
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Truuue

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Yeah the plan was Curiosity etc for drawing on opponents’ turns

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Yeah fuck it

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Cool for another deck, not Y’shtola

wide quiver
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Yeah. Cool card though.

granite sky
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Played with my newly upgraded for the first time last night

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Lifelink is busted fr fr

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But the deck didn’t have closing power

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Yeah I whittled 20 life off of everyone by turn 10 and had 70 life but I got targeted down so hard the whole game that I had to recast ysh 4 times

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Lucky someone had mana flare out but I just didn’t have enough control to… control

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Opponents dictate of erebos was kicking my ass

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And nobody else at the table played any removal all 3 games

maiden widget
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manab guys i think im bored of yshtola lol

weak silo
maiden widget
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Based

compact vine
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Time to play [[face of boe]]

surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
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…But like fr I kinda want to

lusty igloo
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im getting hard targetted a lot recently

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Kind of having trouble in archenemy scenarios

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Not sure if there's anything I can do about it. Thinking about reanimate as an option cuz my commander tax is just too much to afford

lusty igloo
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my y'shtola winrate is nearing 50% Poi_Sad_Cynthia

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Celes/Roxanne are my new best performing b3 deck

robust rapids
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Has [[trouble in pairs]] seen success with many ysh decks?

surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
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If you're in archenemy scenarios and your deck's winrate is ~50%, you're probably at the wrong table.

fervent burrow
wide quiver
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This

lusty igloo
desert sequoia
lusty igloo
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wow my turn 1 BCA did 76 dmg my last game...

tranquil sparrow
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Hey all, I'm really struggling with final cuts/adjustments for my lifedrain/control yshtola deck.

https://archidekt.com/decks/14808733/yshtoler

  • I'm wondering if my balance of draw/removal/ramp is enough.

  • will I regret not having any flash enablers? How important would they be?

  • Notice any glaring issues?

Thanks for any help... Been playing with this for hours and would be very grateful for a fresh pair of eyes on this 🥹

PS Havent touched the mana base yet I usually tweak lands last....

Archidekt
Y'shtoler • (Esper Commander deck) • Archidekt

Y'shtola, Night's Blessed - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (2) Copy • (4) Drain • (10) Draw • (36) Land • (6) Lifegain • (6) Protection • (12) Ramp • (10) Removal • (7) Removal - Counter • (6) Removal - Mass • (1) Stax • (2) Tutor

compact vine
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You’ve got Decanter, but I’d throw in both Thought Vessel and Reliquary Tower as well. We draw a LOT

hidden knot
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Anyone have thoughts on [[Polluted Bonds]]? I'm building Y'shtola as a "punish opponents with loss of life" (draining, stax-adjacent), but I almost feel like the 2 life lost isn't that high for five mana, especially late game?

surreal shoalBOT
hidden knot
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Do we think [[Painful Quandary]] would be better? Thoughts on both?

surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
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This has been brought up a ton here actually. If you’re looking to optimize: Painful Quandary

If you’re looking to keep the friends you have: Polluted Bonds 😛

hidden knot
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THANK YOU, I haven't been able to keep up with everything, so I appreciate it!

maiden widget
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Or play both bc why not

lusty igloo
lusty igloo
hidden knot
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I just hate stax, is the thing.

fervent burrow
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Quandary will get you targeted a lot more bevause that becomes a problem quick. Most people can ignore polluted bonds and only be annoyed

lusty igloo
# hidden knot I just hate stax, is the thing.

just play pillowfort! with a side of solitary confinement. i like the cards where you let your opponents play magic against each other and not you, so you still get your draws from them doing 4+ dmg to each other and dont get targeted

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also shilling for bolas/top again. played it and won starting life 28. i only have 2 cloners and 1 delney. if you run more clones it's even more consistent

weak silo
robust rapids
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What do you guys think of [[Praetor's Grasp]] ? I feel Y'sh is naturally powerful enough the pods she'll be in are bound to have some free spells you can steal to double trigger her and it can also work to prevent combos before they hit the board. Worst case you get a second sol ring?

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
robust rapids
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So more often used to break combo parts than really steal anything?

lusty igloo
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It's not like cEDH where you know they have a rhystic in their somewhere

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It'll come out as a dud and not bring as much value more often than just a plain old grim tutor

robust rapids
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fair thank you

wide quiver
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It's too bad [[inevitable betrayal]] doesn't trigger her

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/47/inevitable-betrayal

Inevitable Betrayal

Sorcery
Suspend 3—mana1manaumanau (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay mana1manaumanau and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Search target opponent's library for a creature card and put that card onto the battlefield under your control. Then that player shuffles.

compact vine
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My Helm of the Ghastlord came in!!!

compact vine
surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/ori/78/talent-of-the-telepath

Talent of the Telepath <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Target opponent reveals the top seven cards of their library. You may cast an instant or sorcery spell from among them without paying its mana cost. Then that player puts the rest into their graveyard.
Spell mastery — If there are two or more instant and/or sorcery cards in your graveyard, you may cast up to two instant and/or sorcery spells from among the revealed cards instead of one.

weak silo
maiden widget
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Maybe Rystic study

tranquil sparrow
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Finally finished and purchased my deck 🙌 can't wait to make my friend group hate me

https://archidekt.com/decks/14808733/yshtoler

It probably isn't very original but I've been trying to tweak this for weeks now and have to pull the trigger at some point 😅

Archidekt
Y'shtoler • (Esper Commander deck) • Archidekt

Y'shtola, Night's Blessed - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (2) Copy • (2) Drain • (10) Draw • (35) Land • (5) Lifegain • (6) Protection • (11) Ramp • (1) Recursion • (10) Removal • (7) Removal - Counter • (6) Removal - Mass • (2) Stax • (2) Tutor

robust rapids
tranquil sparrow
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Haven't tested it yet unfortunately

robust rapids
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Why vindicate over something like generous gift?

tranquil sparrow
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Hmm.... I suppose because it's in the precon, but that is a good point

lusty igloo
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Are you missing ophidian eyeM

tranquil sparrow
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Too much money for now, but its something I want to add eventually

maiden widget
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It’s like $20 rn for some reason

tranquil sparrow
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Only place that has it in stock around me has it at 30$ CAD 😦

maiden widget
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Yeah I picked it up pre ff release

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For like $4

tranquil sparrow
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Dang you did good! Wish I had had the foresight

maiden widget
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lol there was a YouTube video tell me to buy it for yshtola

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And also Vivi

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And both yshtola and vivi is the most build past month lol

tranquil sparrow
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A reprint would be nice

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Otherwise I dont see it dropping in price before a few months

green vigil
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Definitely not if they keep printing cards that are in blue with those effects lol

lusty igloo
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dropped phyrexian arena. slow. retrying Insight. simic player played 12 cards in one turn and ended with 3 craterhoofs

granite sky
lusty igloo
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what are our thoughts on [[No Mercy]] as a pillowfort piece?

surreal shoalBOT
granite sky
lusty igloo
# granite sky Yes

I guess let me reframe my question. I'm keeping Propaganda and Ghostly Prison. But I'm wondering whether [[Norn's Annex]] is better or No Mercy

The two life seems a lot less costly for most players than 2 mana. But norn's annex comes with draw if y'shtola is on field. Also costs 1 less than No Mercy. But I'm pretty sure people would be less incentivized to attack me and lose everything unless they had lethal, and even then, doing so would set them far back. IDK. I think it's probably better than Norn's Annex?

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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If they kill you when you have no mercy

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you die, your triggers disappear on the stack

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so they keep their creatures

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I'm not playing that card anymore

robust rapids
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Is [[The Seriema]] a viable tutor in ysh? She doesnt run a lot of creature but the ones she does tend to be legends ands its a non creature 3 cmc tutor that can turn into a a decent body later and even kind of works with relic of legends to protect ysh

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/35/the-seriema

The Seriema <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact — Spacecraft
When The Seriema enters, search your library for a legendary creature card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery. It's an artifact creature at 7+.)
STATION 7+
Flying
Other tapped legendary creatures you control have indestructible.
5/5

soft peak
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really interesting card

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what would you want to tutor for?

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lotho is what comes to mind for me but I'm sure there's better targets

wide quiver
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Basically every creature I run is legendary

robust rapids
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Delney was my go to

wide quiver
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Tutor for papalymo

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Yeah, delney is a good choice if you run them

robust rapids
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You could even tutor for alise and use her to tutor alphanaud

wide quiver
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I dropped them

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Off a cliff, rip

robust rapids
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Im still on the fense about them, alise seems greats but alphas high cmc is hurting

soft peak
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My thought as well

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I started without them tbh

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and added them after

wide quiver
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They seemed better for a more flurry coded deck, so I put them in my bumble deck instead.

soft peak
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whats a flurry coded deck

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oh just decks that try to trigger the second spell thing a lot

wide quiver
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Yeah. Which yshtola is a little bit, but not a ton.

soft peak
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my deck does a ton of that tbh

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majority instants, lots of 3cmc draw

wide quiver
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Yeah, Yshtola benefits from casting 2 spells to trigger her 4 life loss, but there are other ways to get that too, mostly occurring naturally

soft peak
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yah I have stuff like kambal and talion but tbh

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i wanna cut them

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simply because I made a liesa deck as my group slug outlet

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LOL

wide quiver
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Most of the time, I find myself taking 4 damage to trigger her draw

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I'm a lightning rod of hate

wide quiver
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Crim played control Graha Tia in today's commander clash. His decklist is 3rd down here.

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[[timestop]] is a funny one lmfao

surreal shoalBOT
daring oriole
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How come I don't see [[ring sight]] used as a tutor shibathinking

surreal shoalBOT
robust rapids
granite sky
daring oriole
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plus it could make a creature unblockable to creatures with greater power is a nice bonus to sneak in a few points to trigger ysh

robust rapids
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Its not a bad option for sure especially if you aren't proxying

umbral ruin
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What is the best way to play best cat girl

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I find myself unsure where to even start

soft peak
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what do u mean by best

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if you arent going for just most powerful

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theres like a dozen ways to build her

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enchantments, pillowfort, stax, group slug, spellslinger

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many more

void grove
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How is it for just "stop that" control? I want something for when some asshole is playing an inappropriate deck for the pod to just shut them down without being itself too strong

fervent burrow
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I mean its in esper, so you have access to all the best removal and counterspells in the game. On top of that it even feeds itself with the drain and draw. Reminder thats anyone losing 4 life each turn, so combats between others works

soft peak
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its good

lusty igloo
umbral ruin
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Cool stuff

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Right down my alley

lusty igloo
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in either case you want to lean into [[curiosity]] effects

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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3 draws per yshtola trigger

green vigil
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I honestly love norns annex over both at times Allows me to essentially only need 1 spell on everyone's turn to be able to get card advantage. Which is so nice.

But no mercy will always be no mercy. Can't argue with its determent

compact vine
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You know what I just realized? [[wedding ring]] is like the biggest counter to us XD

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Not really?

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It's only on your turn, so just play your instants off of your turn?

compact vine
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I mean it would counteract our burn because they’d just heal it back, and they’d draw as many times as we do

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Oh! I didn’t notice that

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Nevermind 😛

wide quiver
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Yeah, I ran it in bumbleflower for a while, and it wasiffy because of that

compact vine
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TCG player syndrome. I skipped crucial words when I read it

wide quiver
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The reason it works that way is so there isn't an infinite draw loop lol

compact vine
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Gooootcha

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Thanks Levi!

wide quiver
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That being said, the yshtola player is a good target for giving your wedding ring lol

compact vine
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Definitely

wide quiver
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[[this is how it ends]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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another day, another loss to edict decks

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Deadpool is also a pain in the ass

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probably switching rewind for strix serenade

lusty igloo
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i

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need more ramp

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how

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do i get more mana

wide quiver
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[[savor the moment]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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ramp spell

compact vine
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Huh… that legit is a ramp spell haha

wide quiver
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Yeah. I'm running it in my deck.

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Could also run [[pupu]]

surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
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Love that mount

wide quiver
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I just like saying poopoo

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Genuinely good card though, if you have more card draw than ramp ability

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[[walking atlas]] but better

surreal shoalBOT
elder lagoon
steel pagoda
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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I mostly need blue mana

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im thinking of stuff liek smothering tithe and lotho

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anything elsee?

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even relic of legends puts in a lot of work

steel pagoda
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Lotho is very good I would 100% run it, same with smothering

lusty igloo
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counterspell over strix serenade right?

steel pagoda
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the higher in power you play your opponent play less creatures probably so strix becomes less good

lusty igloo
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My deck is mostly non creature counterpsells

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I think I just pay one more to have everything right

steel pagoda
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I moved away from 2 mana countermagic mostly, often it is too much mana to keep open

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but counterspell and strix are both decent in B3 I think

green vigil
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[[Misleading signpost]] is probably my favorite ranp in yshtola.

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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Instant speed ramp that is also a fog and triggers yshtola is quite good

soft peak
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not a fan personally

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rather be ramping with 2cmc rocks, anything more has to be really good

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like relic of legends, tithe,

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I run monologue tax over tithe tho to keep power down, funny card

wide quiver
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Misleading signpost is great, yeah

vital steppe
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played against someone on thekr second game with the y'shtola precon yday.

their face when i told them to heal for 8 instead of 2 when they had their dancer chakrams out.

wide quiver
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🐐

lusty igloo
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IM RUNNING THIS ONE

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i want land tax but i cant run it. not enough basics

honest spear
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Ooh benders waterskin sounds real good for her

wide quiver
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It sounds great in general

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Only a common too!

lusty igloo
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played with bender's waterskin one game

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it was insane. more value than relic of legends. worked well with top and all the 1 mana interaction in my deck

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highly recommend!!

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it got abrupt decayed cuz it was putting in so much work

wide quiver
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Hell yeah

soft peak
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[[!Circle of Power]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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the fact that this doesn't give yshtola lifelink

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hurts me

soft peak
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there's like 2 other 3 cmc rocks that do the same thing

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as well

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yall see the mono blue katara coming up in avatar?

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[[Katara, Waterbending Master]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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this card looks cracked

soft peak
high vine
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so I look to replace Propganda and Ghostly Prison in my deck as keep away cards, cause I recently played against a lot of Voltron and they gave no fucks for either of them 😅

desert sequoia
high vine
desert sequoia
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Dictate of Erebos

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Ye. They're all very annoying cards to go up against

high vine
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i have not enough creatures for dictate

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like my deck runs legit like barely 10 creatures xD

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last game I basically won, after hiding for like 10 or more turns behind a [[Solitary Confinement]] 😂

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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holy shit i was not familiar with fandaniels game

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first time playing him

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vs a mill deck

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opponents had to sac a nontoken creature or lose 36 life

compact vine
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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Unfortunately 6 cmc cards are forbidden in my deck

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Lmao

wide quiver
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Why is your chart flipping me off?

soft peak
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[[Wavebreak Hippocamp]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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this thing feels pretty good

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I took out the elf twins

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the 4cmc for the draw guy just felt awful

compact vine
wide quiver
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They should've been lalafel instead

compact vine
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Hard disagree there 😛

wide quiver
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You're just jelly

umbral ruin
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Anyone else on [[whip of erebos]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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This feels so unfair to get up

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You effectively get 8 hp out of every 3mana cast

compact vine
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I mean, there are plenty of cheaper ways to get lifelink 😛

fervent burrow
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I think that's where I'm at on it, I'd rather use a cheaper lifelink source

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For example, [[sheletered by ghosts]] is only 2 cmc with lifelink, ward, and removal. And of course, actual [[Lifelink]]

surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
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There’s also [[dancer’s chakrams]] which isn’t cheaper, but I like it more

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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Of those mentioned thats currently the only one in my deck haha

compact vine
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Same

fervent burrow
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I'll probably replace it with Sheltered as soon as I get a copy. As much as I love it, I dont care about the 1 token in my deck and I suspect the stats are probably useless in most cases

soft peak
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if you're comitting hard to lifelink

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[[spirit loop]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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is a fun card

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off topic

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[[!God-Eternal Kefnet]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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I think this is going to replace Emet-Selch for me

maiden widget
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For kinky yshtola player you can also use [[basilisk collar]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
soft peak
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It looks awesome

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Didnt draw it yesterday unfortunately

weak silo
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I had him in my deck for ages and never drew him. And when I finally did one game he whiffed pretty bad

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Him and Pakpatiq are both really cool cards that fit the mid-big spellslinger build but compete with being a 4 drop with y'shtola

soft peak
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yup

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having a few backups to yshtola doesn't bother me too much

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I have talion in there as well for that reason

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I don't like playing ysh the first turn I can anyways, usually wait to have some protection available. Don't mind dropping a different 4 drop on curve though

soft peak
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Maybe my tune will change when I finally draw him lol

keen grail
fervent burrow
compact vine
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I love the fucking title haha

wide quiver
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Yeah, I usuallty lose 4 life each turn rather than my opponents

fervent burrow
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Talismans and painlands and shock lands and fetchlands my beloved

lusty igloo
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opposing yshtola player complained about my yshtola being b4

HMMMM MAYBEEE if one of my 3 opponents swung at kaito, bane of nightmares instead of letting me fill my hand with cards for solitary confinement, I would've died long time ago. but nobody figured out something was wrong with letting me surveil 2, draw 3 every turn with solitary up

soft peak
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this is the >50% winrate deck right

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they may have a point js

lusty igloo
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People complain every single one of my decks is in the wrong bracket

soft peak
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edh players do love complaining lol

lusty igloo
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I'm close to moving Teysa up though

soft peak
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my yshtola is at like

lusty igloo
#

I will say they were right about Zhulodok, Eluge (when I had him in b2), and Roxanne (when i had her in b2)

soft peak
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the point where I think she might no longer be just a strong 2

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idk

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I play in a pod that dont use brackets so doesnt matter much tbh

lusty igloo
soft peak
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never played that commander but yeah

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0 gcs 0 fast combos

lusty igloo
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idk. When I play vs the super sweats (boogeymans of the city) and get absolutely stomped, I don't rly think their deck should is in the wrong bracket so much as it's super well-built and synergistic, and they're just stronger players than me. I feel like people losing just default to "ur deck is in wrong bracket" is kind of just lame mentality

at the same time i understand some other players don't have unlimited budget and/or don't spend inordinate amount of time finetuning their decks. bleh.

soft peak
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not seeing how thats b4 lol

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yeah

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the brackets are an okay tool but

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there is still a wide canyon between a good bracket x deck and a mid/weak one

lusty igloo
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I'll admit I haven't been conversing about high or low 3s like I do for bracket 4 these days

desert sequoia
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It's always difficult when people have different ideas of what a bracket x deck looks like.

lusty igloo
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i'll just go back to asking people if it's high or low 3

desert sequoia
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Not helped by the accursed bracket graphic

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people be looking at that graphic without reading the article attached and go "yeah this is fine"

lusty igloo
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I just get mocked for saying that sometimes lol. people are like "a 3 is a 3 bro". it also feels like im being nerdy like... hey buddy is ur deck a 3.15 or a 3.87? MenheraNerdGlasses

soft peak
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A 3 is a 3 bro is permission to play yshtola lol

desert sequoia
soft peak
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Their tune may change afterwards

lusty igloo
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☠️ bruh I did nto play etali on t4

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or maybe i did but i dont think i did

lusty igloo
desert sequoia
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Huh? Against me you played it on T5 I think, but that's not the point lol

lusty igloo
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I regfret that and it was childish of me to do a "lemme prove u wrong" and ruin the other ppls day when i know the others were playing low 3s

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oh no i decapitated my keychain 😭

desert sequoia
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What I mean is, if someone says "3 is a 3 is a 3", you go "here's what my deck presents on turn x, which you will need to respond to in 0-1 turns. Do you have a shot?"

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Like, I have Naya Tifa aggro list that can oneshot someone if they haven't played a creature by turn 4.

lusty igloo
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Sorry this isn’t remotely related but I’m sad

desert sequoia
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it's not appropriate in B2, and in many B3s it's too aggro - but it's not built like a 4, it doesn't do immediate trample shenanigans and it usually can't really push for a win until 6 or 7. Before I play it, I normally go, "Hey listen, this deck is aggressive and comes at you fast. If you can't present a blocker before turn 4, you might be out of the game."

lusty igloo
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Yeah I should talk about my decks more especially the ones that are winning too much

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Just to set expectations, let them prepare, and also let them choose the right deck for the game

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I do that with my infinite combo decks but I should extend it to others

desert sequoia
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I think especially when I'm playing combo (my Y'shtola list does stupid omniscience stuff - call it combo or nondeterministic storm, it's the same thing), it's hard for people to grasp what your gameplan or combo piece is if they haven't seen it before. I usually lead with a short blurb about how my deck aims to win, so people actually understand what they need to watch out for.

umbral ruin
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Thoughts on [[Vile consumption]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Was looking for some life sinks and stumbled upon this

green vigil
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Vile consumption is great for below cedh decks. As long as you run a control deck and not run a bunch of creatures

high vine
desert sequoia
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Ah yes, Tabernacle-at-home-at-home

soft peak
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My first drafts were more slug heavy, I may know of some cards youd like

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if so

umbral ruin
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Idc about the aristocrats

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I out heal em lmao

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https://archidekt.com/decks/15165086/cat

Archidekt
Cat • (Esper Commander deck) • Archidekt

Y'shtola, Night's Blessed - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (1) Artifact • (2) Blink • (2) Clones • (4) Copy • (4) Creature • (2) Drain • (9) Draw • (1) Evasion • (1) Instant • (36) Land • (1) Lifegain • (4) Protection • (8) Ramp • (2) Recursion • (18) Removal • (1) Sorcery • (1) Theft • (1) Tokens • (1) T...

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Here’s my list rn

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Pretty fun, probs not super optimal but it usually gets the job done

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I def wanna fit omniscience in

umbral ruin
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Still messing with the lands

void grove
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Ok so I've had a problem where sometimes one player is playing a kinda bullshit deck, like Jodah, and I want to be able to stop the bullshit. Is Y'shtola good as table police? How do you not just like, die instantly to the aggro player?

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And is a flash enabler-full yshtola possibly doable without being a meme?

fervent burrow
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It is the 3 most control focused colors, and does have a full engine in one card. She can be fine as table police for sure, but it depends on the deck build

void grove
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I want to be pure draw-go

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I'm talking Heliod, high fae trixter shenanigans

fervent burrow
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Thats definitely doable, not sure if its the best, but perfectly acceptable

void grove
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What's the best archetype for her? Obviously best can be subjective but what does a solid list which is appropriate for bracket 3 typically try to do - grind the table down?

fervent burrow
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I've had the most success with a mixture of pillow fort control, then I've been able to drain 20+ from each player on a big turn to win. Copies like [[irenicus duplication]] and [[delney]] are very strong, as doubling your pings and draw is very effective, and if you can get 2 of those out at once you can get some work done fast

surreal shoalBOT
void grove
wide quiver
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My deck is mostly draw-go

soft peak
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What is draw go

wide quiver
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You play off of your turn at flash speed mostly

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So your turn is "I draw, your go"

soft peak
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Oh okay thats my deck too then

umbral ruin
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Yall forgot the best one

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[[quantum misalignment]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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[[spark double]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Not as “good” but still two is better than one

lusty igloo
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cutting norn's annex for reanimate

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is zur the enchanter even worth it?

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he seems kind of slow

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nvm he lokks terible

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maybe if he were 3 mana

soft peak
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I was thinking abt using him

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I like the sound of ur curve with him tbh

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Tap out to play him who cares, next turn you tutor for curiosirty or protection for ysh

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Problem for me is I dont run enough other enchantments, if he were to live another turn, or drawn later

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For some of yalls decks running propaganda, gift of immortality, stuff like that

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It sounds so good

void grove
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My list is super 3mv enchantment heavy so I think he's good

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I feel like I need propaganda type stuff because there are so few creatures in the deck

lusty igloo
void grove
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[[No Mercy]] and [[Dissipation Field]] maybe too

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
void grove
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Yeah but if you're already in lethal range you have problems anyway

lusty igloo
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not rly solitary, propaganda, etc. will still save u

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no mercy doesnt

vital steppe
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do not run no mercy

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never

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because then the people u play it against will realize "oh that card counters y'shtola"

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and then they'll play it vs you

void grove
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Hard counter to Vivi and yshtola

void grove
azure storm
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but tbf i'm a relatively new player so i'm not sure if there's some tech with lyse i am unaware of

void grove
wide quiver
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Lyse is great

azure storm
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okie

void grove
wide quiver
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It hasn't been for me, but cost reduction is great

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Same with baral

void grove
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Yeah I just added baral and thunderclap drake

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And cut some of my enchantments

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Literally the whole reason I want to make this deck is to be able o punish people who say "it's not op it's just Jodah with random legendary creatures!" And make sure they never get to play Jodah

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So baral is on point

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I kind of want to put in smothering tithe but I think Tef pro, fierce guardianship and cyc rift are a better trio

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Maybe rift I can swap

azure storm
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i feel like maybe voice of victory and mana confluence wouldnt be terrible either tbh

void grove
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I'd rather grand abolisher to voice of victory (or both) but tbh since the deck mostly plays at flash speed it isn't that big a deal

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Mana confluence is a good shout

azure storm
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you're right grand abolisher is higher priority

void grove
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But like, I imagine the only things I'll be casting on my own turn will be ramp or protection

azure storm
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that is sorta correct, i just use it to make sure really important stuff resolves

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but you're running removal/counter gcs so you might be able to skip it

void grove
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Need to get hold of a fierce guardianship

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Shits pricy

azure storm
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worth it doe

void grove
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Definitely

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Free counterspells op

azure storm
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im gonna be honest i thought delney was a gc, its crazy that she isn't lmao

wide quiver
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Free spells are icky

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Big design mistakes

azure storm
void grove
void grove
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I tried to make an actual Delney list but struggled to find a win con that wasn't combo

azure storm
umbral ruin
#

how do we feel about life sinks like [[wall of blood]] and [[mishevious poltergeist]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Purely for card draw

soft peak
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Probably kills you faster than it's worth
Would have to have lifelink to offset it

soft peak
surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Wait I love this

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Thanks for the recommendation

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Interesting idea for some cedh shenanigans too

lusty igloo
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I also cut off baral and all similar due to how many of my spells are free (i.e. deadly rollick) or dont have colorless to reduce (i.e. offer you cant refuse)

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I dont believe in teferis protection personally since while youre phased out you dont get any procs on yshtola etc. Cyclonic rift not even proccing yshtola, but more importantly after cyc rift it's not like you win on the spot like you do for some of my other dedcks like Ureni... you're now open to swing for a whopping 2 dmg.

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roaming throne strictly worse than something liek sakashimi the impostor. dead yshtola = useless roaming throne.

elder lagoon
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Cyc rift is such a huge tempo hit that they’re unlikely to recover very well at all

lusty igloo
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idk maybe im biased as a roxanne player but cyc rift doesnt rly do anything against some of my green decks

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unless im dead the same exact turn

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in any case I don't think it's worth running over smotheinrg tithe, force of will, or bolas citadel

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or rhystic/one ring/necropotence tbh even tho those are card draw overkill IMO

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might put The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale or glacial chasm over it too. not sure tho.

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I also noticed you have a lot of phasing out like TPro in your list. I rly dont like phasing out yshtola over raw protection like spellskite since your yshtola gets no card draw procs as long as its phased out waiting to come back

lusty igloo
void grove
lusty igloo
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idk I cant put rift over smothering tithe. 7 mana... at least bolas citadel ends the game when it hits the field (with top ofc)

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I just won a game from someone swinging lethal with 1 HP but one of them was sun titan... I disallowed the attack trigger anihype

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my first win vs an edict deck and it was off a missplay from their end (I leaked my disallow accidentally so they had that info)

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i finished the 1v1 by topdecking inkshield out my ass

umbral ruin
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I feel like if you’re gonna run cyc rift

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You’re better off running
[[final showdown]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Idk maybe not

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It’s an option for an instant speed board wipe with some utility

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[[season of weaving]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
#

This could be interesting if you make extra copies of your commander

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Which I do

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Lots of flexibility

elder lagoon
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A card that might also be useful to yall that i find very helpful in bumbleflower: [[tragic arrogance]]

surreal shoalBOT
elder lagoon
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it’s brutal when you’re the one choosing everything that gets to stick around

void grove
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I put that card in every deck I can now

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It's so damn good

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It gets around so many forms of protection

void grove
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Also rift hits enchantments and artifact

umbral ruin
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I personally also like

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[[the eternal wanderer]]

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/one/11/the-eternal-wanderer

The Eternal Wanderer <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker
No more than one creature can attack The Eternal Wanderer each combat.
+1: Exile up to one target artifact or creature. Return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of that player's next end step.
0: Create a 2/2 white Samurai creature token with double strike.
−4: For each player, choose a creature that player controls. Each player sacrifices all creatures they control not chosen this way.
Loyalty: 5

elder lagoon
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Yeah, same vein for sure

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And you really only care about keeping yshtola so it works

umbral ruin
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You can remove problematic card for a turn or blink your own stuff

Make chump blockers

Board wipe

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Oh there’s also

elder lagoon
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Emperor also completely blanks voltron decks

umbral ruin
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Yeah lmaoo

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[[promise of loyalty]]

surreal shoalBOT
elder lagoon
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Had a kotis player be completely shut down because kotis only came back on end step

wide quiver
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The fangbearer?

elder lagoon
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Fangkeeper but yeah

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[[kotis fang]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I remember you saying before that it was a brutal commander

soft peak
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I face that 50% of the time when doing arena quests with my hare apparent deck

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lol

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i get to play creatures and swing and they get to win 🤝

umbral ruin
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Can’t figure out which third game changer I want

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I’m dropping cycrift because honestly 3 board wipes is redundant

soft peak
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Dont need to run all 3 if none are vibing with you

fervent burrow
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I dont have your decklist in our pins and dont know which ones you have already

fervent burrow
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Ope there it is

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For me it'd be Fierce Guardianship prob

soft peak
wide quiver
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Don't feel forced to run gamechangers

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Run what fits in your deck and what you like 🤷

umbral ruin
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I was just having a hard time deciding

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I often win games by casting 3-4 free spells back to back

soft peak
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if you want a third fierce is an easy choice

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quite strong

fervent burrow
umbral ruin
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Digging the pinned lists for everyone

umbral ruin
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[[Invasion of Fiora]]

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/114/invasion-of-fiora-marchesa-resolute-monarch

Invasion of Fiora <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, choose one or both —
• Destroy all legendary creatures.
• Destroy all nonlegendary creatures.
Defense: 4

Marchesa, Resolute Monarch
Legendary Creature — Human Noble
Menace, deathtouch
Whenever Marchesa attacks, remove all counters from up to one target permanent.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you haven't been dealt combat damage since your last turn, you draw a card and you lose 1 life.
3/6

umbral ruin
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intersting one here

soft peak
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Eh

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There are so many better options

wide quiver
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I looove invasion of fiora

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just not for this deck

umbral ruin
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Just thought it would be funny to take someone one ring counters

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Okay stupid fucking question

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[[exalted sunborn]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Since the goal of my deck is to make as many copies of my commander, would this not go pretty decently in it?

wide quiver
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Seems very win more

fervent burrow
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Yeah, its a very specific situation on this. Plus, if we're looking purely at the doubling aspect, [[Storm Slayer]] might be better, or even Mondrak. But theres just not enough cards that make token copies of legendary creatures (without other cards being out) to make me find it worth it

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/11/elspeth-storm-slayer

Elspeth, Storm Slayer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker — Elspeth
If one or more tokens would be created under your control, twice that many of those tokens are created instead.
+1: Create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token.
0: Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control. Those creatures gain flying until your next turn.
−3: Destroy target creature an opponent controls with mana value 3 or greater.
Loyalty: 5

void grove
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[[stormscape familiar]] how do we feel About this vs say baral

surreal shoalBOT
elder lagoon
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Meh

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There is [[sunscape familiar]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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I run this guy

elder lagoon
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Or that too

void grove
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Yeah they're all kinda the same in general

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It's about what you care about

void grove
elder lagoon
elder lagoon
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Better than a medallion technically

wide quiver
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If you're in green just run more ramp tbh

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Exploration and burgeoning are just leagues better

tranquil sparrow
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Played my deck twice for the first time yesterday and got absolutely trounced... First game my friend's mill deck just went buck wild and milled out the entire table around turn 6-7, then on the second game I just got hard focused and the simic player won late.

What's the key to winning with Yshtola? Feels like whe I do good I get an immediate target on my back because I'm drawing a trillion cards, and I don't have enough mana to build my advantage while dealing with all the threats being thrown my way

compact vine
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Goddamn mill players

compact vine
wide quiver
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Yeah, you need some kind of protection in hand when you play ysh

tranquil sparrow
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Think i might need to add some protection in my deck haha i don't think I have nearly enough

compact vine
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Yeahhh, unfortunately you need a LOT of it

wide quiver
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I run like 10 pieces of protection

tranquil sparrow
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Mind posting your list? Always looking for new ideas!

wide quiver
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Most of ours are in the pinned messages

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Mine's up here.

tranquil sparrow
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Thanks!

compact vine
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Mine’s there somewhere. I’ve had a few changes to it though

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I’ll update it eventually haha

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My mana base is WAY better now

soft peak
tranquil sparrow
lusty igloo
# tranquil sparrow Played my deck twice for the first time yesterday and got absolutely trounced......

need a lot more protection. need the free/1 mana counterspell packages. spellskite. add delenys, ophidian eye, solitary confinement, flawless maneuver/deadly rollick in. I dont like lifegain cards personally. i think they're terrible. black market connections >>>>> phyrexian arena (being able to proc yshtola on its own, the 3/2 is invaluable vs edict decks which is among the worst mtchups, and treaures are insanely important since ysthola has a million draw and needs mana badddd).

gonna again claim cyclonic rift is a weaker gamechanger. add two more (bolas citadel, force/fierce, smothering tithe, necropotence/onering/rhystic)

ysthola should have one turn of vulnerability on t3/t4 when you cast your commander, t5/t6 you go online and ideally end the game around those turns. really hard to stop if they didnt kill your commander the turn you casted it and were vulnerable

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i personally shill for bolas + top combo

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beware of stacking 3+ mana counterspells that arent free. those are usually bait and you want your best counterspells to be super low mana (0-1) and everything else can be 3cmc+s

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your land package needs work to. idk if you're on a budget or something but there's a billion tap lands. i'd just proxy in duals/shocks/fetches and buy some pain lands (help with yshtola). i personally love mfdcs too

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sanguine bond seems atrocious

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vito too

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aetherflux without bolas/top Think

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[[bender's waterskin]] is rly good once you go on the 1 mana interactions

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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id switch supreme verdict with either tragic arrogance, slaughter the strong, or Unstable Glyphbridge // Sandswirl Wanderglyph

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id add a few more tutors (just a few). usually either

tutor either curiosity (50%), solitary confinement (25%), smothering tithe (10%), or the other half o bolas/top to end game (10%). but just in general a way to get curiosity more reliably is nice.

fervent burrow
wide quiver
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To refine alpha's comments, you didn't need any of those.

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Consider adding cards like them though

void grove
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Do yall ever have turns where you draw go then just do nothing for the full cycle because there's nothing worth interacting with?

soft peak
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almost never

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I run a lot of draw spells

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if I didnt need to interact I will draw

soft peak
# tranquil sparrow Played my deck twice for the first time yesterday and got absolutely trounced......

I see a lot of cost reduction creatures but also a lot of spells that are only pips, I would consider replacing one or the other

Me personally I would add the 2cmc signets to help with consistency

Sigil of Sleep and Helm of the Ghastlord are two cards that are great at guarunteeing you're enemy #1. I don't run them personally but ya be prepared to be targetted if those are known

Not a fan of your boardwipe selection. Cleansing nova and Supreme verdict could easily be improved, tragic arrogance and slaughter the strong for ex. The other 3 are fine

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And me personally I don't like sorceries much so I would be cutting vindicate and cut a deal

elder lagoon
fervent burrow
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+mana sink

elder lagoon
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Just another +1 to [[blue sun’s zenith]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I should put blue sun's zenith in mine too

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I also run into that problem of not having a mana sink

umbral ruin
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I needa fix my list

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I’ve gotten too obsessed with making multiple copies

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And I’ve traded consistency and power for it

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:/

tranquil sparrow
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@lusty igloo I'm curious about ending games on turn 5/6 with yshtola, I was under the impression that the deck is going to want to grind out longer games and build up advantage, do you win t5/6 due to specific card combos?

compact vine
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Oh I grind it out for sure

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wide quiver
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I grind them out too

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I prefer grindy games

tranquil sparrow
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Ok I think I tried to kind of split up my deck into a shitty combo/control deck, but I think with all your advice I'll take some of the "combo" pieces out and focus more on the control/protection aspect, that's.more in line with the vision I had for this deck!

wide quiver
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I'm going to make an alternate token focused deck

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Probably with Graha heading it

compact vine
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Rad

wide quiver
umbral ruin
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how do we feel about

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[[norn's annex]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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or [[war tax]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Huh, war tax is interesting

wide quiver
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[[sphere of safety]] maybe

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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I like that

void grove
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Trying to be a high 3 table police

elder lagoon
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If you’re gonna do war tax might as well do [[collective restraint]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Ouu that’s really fucking good if you’re not running all dual lands

elder lagoon
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I mean it still would be

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There's lots of cards that have land types

wide quiver
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[[the clone saga]]

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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Telegraphed but we dony have so many non-legendary clones

wide quiver
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Also cool that you can get it out in preparationj for yshtola, and it triggers on cast

lusty igloo
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I'd play it if it was 3 mana ngl

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4 mana puts it in a weird spot

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I'm not sure. It doesn't look bad though. Two spells on turn 3 = 12 draws

soft peak
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Cool card if played on curve

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Seems like a pretty bad topdeck tho

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Unless youre doing a lot of graveyard stuff maybe

azure storm
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Hi everyone, looking for suggestions to make my deck faster/able to live to turn 5/6
https://archidekt.com/decks/15666429/vtg_likes_to_succ
essentially, it's sorta ok as is but i just get bonked early sometimes when I feel it's preventable and I find it a bit slow to win once I do get going.

other than the decklist I'm adding force of negation/will, demonic/enlightened tutor, roaming throne, and baral chief of bompliance at some point this week but havent decided what to cut yet

Archidekt
VTG Likes to Succ • (Esper Commander deck) • Archidekt

Y'shtola, Night's Blessed - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (2) Creature • (1) Drain • (11) Draw • (1) Enchantment • (1) Evasion • (1) Instant • (34) Land • (3) Lifegain • (6) Protection • (1) Pump • (11) Ramp • (1) Recursion • (20) Removal • (1) Sorcery • (2) Stax • (1) Tokens • (2) Tutor

fervent burrow
lusty igloo
umbral ruin
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[[three blindd mice]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Here's something similar but not as good

fervent burrow
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Okay 4 mana isn't worth it what about 6

wide quiver
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Oh boy, I love that

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Hmm I want to put in [[the wandering emperor]], what do you think I should cut?

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/42/the-wandering-emperor

The Wandering Emperor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker
Flash
As long as The Wandering Emperor entered this turn, you may activate her loyalty abilities any time you could cast an instant.
+1: Put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature. It gains first strike until end of turn.
−1: Create a 2/2 white Samurai creature token with vigilance.
−2: Exile target tapped creature. You gain 2 life.
Loyalty: 3

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wide quiver
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-2 is a good removal effect when it matters, and it sticks around for the blocker the next turn

fervent burrow
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In standard was a menace but im not sold on it for commander personally

wide quiver
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In draw-go it seems decent

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Having a planeswalker that does something is kinda interesting too

lusty igloo
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[[Ashiok, Dream Render]] thoughts on this as graveyard and anti-tutor hate?

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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ik both are somewhat more niche than general-purpose cards. but they tend to be high power niches and often are what I lose to (graveyard esp from aritsocrats/edict decks, and tutors from combo decks)

lusty igloo
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wtf

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am I the only stupid person who didn't realize you can cast [[tandem lookout]] on t3, and then cast yhstola on t4 and soulbound it on yshtola etb?

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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i thought tandem had to come second

umbral ruin
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Holy shit

fervent burrow
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Soul bond is a weird mechanic

elder lagoon
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I use [[wing crafter]] in my Tymna//Esior list to give tymna flying

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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Yall think roaming throne is a decent card in the deck?

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I only ask becasue I got one for super cheap

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effectively 15$

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Actaully Thinking about it nvm

void grove
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The answer is yes

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It's good except when Y'shtola is dead

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At which point a non legendary clone would be better

lusty igloo
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a non legendary clone is generally bette

umbral ruin
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This is what I realizd

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just tossed it into my Kefka deck instead

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since theres tends to be quite a few wizards in that deck

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Just overhauled my list

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Would appreciate an extra set of eyes taking a gander for anything I missed

void grove
soft peak
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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how does your deck win, is it just slowly draining with yshtola herself?

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and one of the tagged multipliers I guess

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Feels like you have a lot of boardwipes. And slaughter the strong should probably be one, it's imo the best wipe for yshtola

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a few of the 3cmc ramp I personally don't think are worth running, like map, lantern, decanter

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if you want 3cmc there are others like the signpost, benders waterskin. But myself I just run the 2cmc talismans

vital steppe
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this town ain't big enough yay or nay ?

fervent burrow
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2 mana bounce yshtola and another creature, burn trigger. Not the worst but up to you ifnyiu want a bounce and burn or would rather just run a counterspell

wide quiver
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Seems bad

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Phasing >>> bounce

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Or protection like [[kaya's ghostform]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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phasing is bad lol no yshtola triggers for the entire time its phased out

wide quiver
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I mean, phasing is good

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but also no yshtola triggers

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If yshtola dies, no triggers either

void grove
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And yeah if she's dead you don't get triggers anyway so

soft peak
void grove
soft peak
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Combo or other damage sources really

void grove
soft peak
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I mean u got 7 board wipes

void grove
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Instant speed

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Slaughter the strong seems like a great pick

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3 mana is nice

void grove
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Trying to avoid making yshtola a combo deck

wide quiver
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I just grind them out through control and pings

void grove
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And yeah I have a lot of wipes but realistically you don't draw into them all

void grove
soft peak
void grove
soft peak
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Talion is goated I would really consider him at least

void grove
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I was thinking of talion

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I don't like signets in general as 2 mana ramp

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I run all the good 2 mana ramp already

wide quiver
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The talismans are much better here, yeah

soft peak
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Also there is another nonlegendary clone you arent running

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The creature one with partner

void grove
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Sakashima

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Or spark double also works

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I might swap roaming throne for one of those

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Was thinking of adding [[volrath's stronghold]] but probably not worth the mana

surreal shoalBOT
void grove
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Better to stop her hitting the gy in the first place

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Throne does have the advantage of ward and being able to come down first

soft peak
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For 3cmc ramp theres also an urza that works very similar to lyze hext, might be worth considering

lusty igloo
wide quiver
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I mean, phasing is the best protection after all

lusty igloo
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not for yshtola imo AMshrug but up to you

wide quiver
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It's certainly too bad you won't get triggers until your turn rolls around again

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but say opponent 2 board wipes

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I'd rather phase out than counter it

lusty igloo
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mmm tru

wide quiver
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It's certainly preference though

lusty igloo
umbral ruin
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One of my favorute protection is flickering

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especially from targeted removal

soft peak
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Flickering pops off curiosity

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Thats why I pref phasing for yshtola

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I only run like 1 phasing card tho

umbral ruin
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Gotcha

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Well that’s why I run ghostly flicker

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Target both yahtola and curiosity

soft peak
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Ghostly flicker doesnt hit enchants

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Would be a cool idea tho

maiden widget
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[[slip out the back]] my goat

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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[[ghostly flicker]]

surreal shoalBOT
umbral ruin
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That sucks lol

wide quiver
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Blink loses auras though, which kinda stinks

umbral ruin
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Idk I’d rather keep the cat around than pay 6 to bring her back

wide quiver
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I was comparing it to phasing which still keeps her around

umbral ruin
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Fair

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Tbh I feel like I’m slowly becoming less happy with my list

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Idk,I feel like I’m just not drawing cards enough or not drawing into anything good half the time now

umbral ruin
wide quiver
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[[lady octopus, inspired inventor]] seems okay here

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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free mana rocks, maybe other free artifacts, depending on what you're running

soft peak
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Um

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Holy shit thats good

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Does that let you cast rocks at instant speed?

wide quiver
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Oh, good question

elder lagoon
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Yes

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Yes it does

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It doesn’t specify a time for when you are not allowed to cast it, so that means you have to cast it right then and there

lusty igloo
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best graveyard hate card?

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im currently on [[Ashiok, Dream Render]], but I'm not sure this is correct. it's a blue pitch for force of negation, and 3 cmc and also anti-tutor. but my problem is i likely cant defend it against attackers. but i graveryard decks even attack that much? thoughts?

I rly dont want dead cards if possible. considering dauthi voidwalker.

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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do i rly have to go for rest in peace?

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im gonna drop insight

lusty igloo
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Decided on dauthi and rest in peace

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Changing stock up back to idyllic tutor

umbral ruin
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Guys why aren’t we tossing [[Lurrus]] into the deck?

surreal shoalBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/226/lurrus-of-the-dream-den

Lurrus of the Dream-Den <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manawb:292901509044109312><:manawb:292901509044109312>

Legendary Creature — Cat Nightmare
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has mana value 2 or less. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for mana3 as a sorcery.)
Lifelink
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard.
3/2

umbral ruin
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This lets us recover curiosity

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blood chief
mystic remora
sygg, river
sensei’s
mother of runes
Swift foot
Spellskite

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Stuff that feels relevant