Y'shtola Communal Brewing

[wraith silo]

eh i get it but my deck is also very much not a play cards only on opponents turn deck

[maiden widget]

Risky is good early game for card draw ngl

[[stock up]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/67/stock-up

Stock Up <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at the top five cards of your library. Put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
"We are now accepting over eleven different interplanar currencies, including polished moonfall!"

[maiden widget]

Might cut crushing disappointment for this

[wide quiver]

I like [[dig through time]] for this effect

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/115/dig-through-time

Dig Through Time <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Delve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for .)
Look at the top seven cards of your library. Put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

[maiden widget]

I love my graveyard too much to exiles them

[lusty igloo]

What's the 1 mana FF spell that has three modes and the cheapest gives indestructible and hexproof? 1 mana?

I asked before and forgot

[maiden widget]

Restoration magic ?

I was thinking about it too

[wide quiver]

Yeah resto magic

[maiden widget]

The next meme card I’m putting in yshtola

[compact vine]

I run restoration magic

[wraith silo]

yeah restro magic

[maiden widget]

I’m tuning that card in cloud deck

It’s clutched

[compact vine]

Any time I read “Cloud Deck,” I get FFXIV PTSD from bad Diamond weapon extreme runs

[maiden widget]

Cloud deck extreme is when I actually dropped $100 on good equipments for the deck

[compact vine]

Is [[Quistis Trepe]] worth running if I’m rocking Displacer Kitten and [[y’shtola rhul]] ?

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/66/quistis-trepe

Quistis Trepe <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Blue Magic — When Quistis Trepe enters, you may cast target instant or sorcery card from a graveyard, and mana of any type can be spent to cast that spell. If that spell would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead.
"It's not like everyone can get by on their own, you know?"
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/86/yshtola-rhul

Y'shtola Rhul <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Cat Druid
At the beginning of your end step, exile target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. Then if it's the first end step of the turn, there is an additional end step after this step.
"As I suspected, the aetheric disturbance here is no natural occurrence."
3/5

[maiden widget]

Who are you blinking ?

[compact vine]

Torrential Gearhulk, and potentially Quistis

Also Tataru

Also… is it weird that the deck didn’t come with commander sphere? >_>

[maiden widget]

I don’t play those

[compact vine]

Yeah, I was asking for me XD

[maiden widget]

Lol that’s why I’m confuse

Bc this deck is not really blinky

Unless you make it to be

[compact vine]

-_-;

Which again, I have

Which is why I’m asking, if I’m running blink cards, is Quistis worthwhile?

No offense, but I’d kinda rather get a response from literally anyone else in the channel about it.

[wide quiver]

I am here to the rescue

[[quistis]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/66/quistis-trepe

Quistis Trepe <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Blue Magic — When Quistis Trepe enters, you may cast target instant or sorcery card from a graveyard, and mana of any type can be spent to cast that spell. If that spell would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead.
"It's not like everyone can get by on their own, you know?"
2/2

[wide quiver]

Seems decent. Too bad it doesn't give any discount.

And it's also not flash speed unfortunately

unlike torrential

[compact vine]

Very true, so she’d have to be on board, and then I could get multiple blinks off with her IF I have the mana

[wide quiver]

[[snapcaster mage]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/71/snapcaster-mage

Snapcaster Mage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Flash
When this creature enters, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
2/1

[compact vine]

Worst case scenario though, Displacer can blink Sol Ring 😛

[wide quiver]

I think I like snapcaster more

[compact vine]

Ooooo that’s good

Flash and one cheaper

[wide quiver]

There was one in TDM that gave spells harmonize

[compact vine]

I’m also running Synthesis Pod to help with discounts

So what do you think then? Throw in Snapcaster?

[wide quiver]

I was thinking of [[songcrafter mage]] but it's the wrong colors

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/225/songcrafter-mage

Songcrafter Mage <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Bard
Flash
When this creature enters, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains harmonize until end of turn. Its harmonize cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its harmonize cost. You may tap a creature you control to reduce that cost by , where X is its power. Then exile the spell.)
3/2

[compact vine]

Ahhh, yeah

[wide quiver]

Quistis can get opponent's spells which is interesting though

[compact vine]

This is true

And colourless mana works

[wide quiver]

I like snapcaster being instant speed

[compact vine]

Could always run both <_<

[wide quiver]

It could. If you're running blink stuff, the more blink targets the better tbh

[compact vine]

Very true

So you give it the seal of approval? Worthwhile for my build?

[wide quiver]

Are you running emet selch?

[compact vine]

Yep!

[wide quiver]

That'll help with discounts

Yeah I'd run both

[compact vine]

And Fandaniel, which is huge with Y’shtola Rhul

[wide quiver]

I'm a fan of daniel

https://tenor.com/view/damndaniel-white-vans-dam-gif-5103576

[compact vine]

Getting him to proc twice per end step is absurd

Thanks a ton for the help Levi!

[wide quiver]

[[slickshot lockpicker]] is a worse version of both

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/67/slickshot-lockpicker

Slickshot Lockpicker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Rogue
When this creature enters, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
2/3

[compact vine]

Oh wow it totally is haha

[wide quiver]

Not sure if you're running it, but I'd consider [[agent of treachery]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/43/agent-of-treachery

Agent of Treachery <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Rogue
When this creature enters, gain control of target permanent.
At the beginning of your end step, if you control three or more permanents you don't own, draw three cards.
"The more secrets you have, the more easily you become my pawn."
2/3

[wide quiver]

Despite being expensive, blinking it is real nice

[compact vine]

Oh wow, no kidding

Gonna have to track one down!

[wide quiver]

It used to be a commander staple I think

[compact vine]

I’m also still rocking Rite of Replication

And Sakashima

[wide quiver]

So much of the deck is legendary, it's hard to justify for me

Sakashima hits legendaries, so he's good

[compact vine]

It’s mainly to use on opponent’s stuff for me 🙂

[wide quiver]

Fair

Aaaaaand if you add agent, you could hit him

[compact vine]

Yessir! Was just thinking that

Ooo I like these additions haha

Sadly I’ve got work in the morning so I’ve gotta get to sleep, but I’m stoked. Gonna try to get a bunch of these tomorrow 🙂

[wide quiver]

Times like these I wish it was simic for [[doppelganger]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/198/doppelgang

Doppelgang <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
For each of X target permanents, create X tokens that are copies of that permanent.
"Suspect spotted at the Tin Street Market, Yescu Street entrance. And the Oak Street entrance. And somehow also in Lobar Alley!" —Avult of the Foundway Associates

[wide quiver]

Have a good night!

[compact vine]

You too!

[lusty igloo]

guys dont put water on your magic cards

[wide quiver]

You can't stop me!~

[weak silo]

I jamed a few games with [[Vile Consumption]] and it's felt fantastic so far

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/inv/285/vile-consumption

Vile Consumption <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
All creatures have "At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this creature unless you pay 1 life."
The plague moved faster than an army and was far more deadly.

[maiden widget]

[[insight]] I’m consider this card

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/6ed/75/insight

Insight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a green spell, you draw a card.
"We can fight with you or against you. After my day, I'd prefer the former." —Gerrard of the Weatherlight

[maiden widget]

Poor man rystic study

[weak silo]

depends on the pods you play in but it can have its days where it goes off hard

I want to try out [[protection racket]], I don't feel that stressed about losing any particular cards

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/39/protection-racket

Protection Racket <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, repeat the following process for each opponent in turn order. Reveal the top card of your library. That player may pay life equal to that card's mana value. If they do, exile that card. Otherwise, put it into your hand.

[maiden widget]

Sound fun ngl

[lusty igloo]

i dropped that one recently

[pallid ocean]

https://archidekt.com/decks/14387281/close_in_the_distance_tribute_to_ffxiv

This is the list where I went for as much flavor as possible bar a few cards

Kinda lacking in a true win con

[maiden widget]

When I play this deck I don’t have a wincon either I just vibe with the table

[maiden widget]

[[this town ain’t big enough]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/74/this-town-aint-big-enough

This Town Ain't Big Enough <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
This spell costs less to cast if it targets a permanent you control.
Return up to two target nonland permanents to their owners' hands.
"All that fancy footwork, and you can't even dodge one silly little rope? Cryin' shame, that is."

[maiden widget]

I’m tempted to run this ngl

[weak silo]

I'd rather chance it with [[Submerge]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/nem/48/submerge

Submerge <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
If an opponent controls a Forest and you control an Island, you may cast this spell without paying its mana cost.
Put target creature on top of its owner's library.

[desert sequoia]

TTABE is nice if you're running solid ETBs

[wide quiver]

Solid cheap etbs

[maiden widget]

Should I play [[diabolic intent]] as cheaper tutor in the deck

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/89/diabolic-intent

Diabolic Intent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Search your library for a card, put that card into your hand, then shuffle.
Gix pierced his disciples' minds and savored their experiences as he took in their knowledge.

[green vigil]

If you make sufficient creatures you dont care about sacing

[desert sequoia]

I don't love Diabolic Intent unless you're making creatures

Most of the spells with this template are instant speed so you can respond to targeted removal etc

but they're usually draw instead of tutor

[compact vine]

Only tutor I run is [[beseech the mirror]] because it’s an instant double proc

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/82/beseech-the-mirror

Beseech the Mirror <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Bargain (You may sacrifice an artifact, enchantment, or token as you cast this spell.)
Search your library for a card, exile it face down, then shuffle. If this spell was bargained, you may cast the exiled card without paying its mana cost if that spell's mana value is 4 or less. Put the exiled card into your hand if it wasn't cast this way.

[lusty igloo]

Beseech seems good tbh

I'm just not sure if I always have something to sac

Not 100% sure since sometimes I have to tutor for fierce guardianship. Maybe I run it over idyllic tutor

[maiden widget]

[[$idyllic tutor]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/24/idyllic-tutor

Prices for Idyllic Tutor

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$10.82 • €6.84

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$10.78

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$14.26 • €7.57

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0.72 TIX

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[soft peak]

what are you tutoring for with idyllic

curiosity?

[maiden widget]

I wish I can run worldly tutor

[maiden widget]

Anyone else run [[generous gift]] ?

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/128/generous-gift

Generous Gift <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target permanent. Its controller creates a 3/3 green Elephant creature token.
The best presents are impossible to regift.

[maiden widget]

I’m convinced tonight that I have to distroyed those broken land

[soft peak]

its been in and out of my deck

good spell

[compact vine]

@wide quiver Think I should make a cut for Sanguine Bond? Turns just one proc of Y’shtola into a guaranteed draw

[wide quiver]

I don't like it

It's a combo piece, and if you run it without the combo, you'll get killed

[compact vine]

Truuue

I’ve never liked the infinites with it, so it would just be there for Y’shtola procs

[wide quiver]

The infinite is boooooring

[compact vine]

100% agreed

I’ve got 5 counterspells…. I feel like I should cut one

[pallid ocean]

I run diabolic intent since I've got a copy of the FF flavored one

And I run a fairly creature heavy version for yshtola

[pallid ocean]

What would you even tutor with worldly? Delney?

[maiden widget]

Any creature I run honestly

Even mr grand aubiter

[pallid ocean]

I'm a fan of [[case of the stashed skeleton]] if budget

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/80/case-of-the-stashed-skeleton

Case of the Stashed Skeleton <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Case
When this Case enters, create a 2/1 black Skeleton creature token and suspect it. (It has menace and can't block.)
To solve — You control no suspected Skeletons. (If unsolved, solve at the beginning of your end step.)
Solved — , Sacrifice this Case: Search your library for a card, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.

[maiden widget]

Yeah I have mr grand aubiter

In the deck

I got called a terrible person before for it

[pallid ocean]

Bracket 4 then?

Cause there's no way to fit him in 3

[maiden widget]

I claimed my deck is a 3

[pallid ocean]

Ew, don't play arbiter or claim it's 3

It's super unfun unless in b4 imo

[maiden widget]

Lol here my defend

I only cast him when the table slowly threatening me

If the table is chill I’m holding him back lol

[pallid ocean]

Nah slowly threatening then playing arbiter makes you archenemy straight away

[maiden widget]

Lol it’s more like if I become archenemy

I slammed down arbiter

It make up for my 2 weaker GC

[compact vine]

I’ve decided my 5 counterspells are fine because 4/5 do things other than just counterspelling

[maiden widget]

Everytime I feel bad about GAA i tell myself “well at least it’s not rystic study”

[compact vine]

I’d rather play against Rhystic Study

100% of the time

[lusty igloo]

curiosity and smothering depending on situation

guys are we running [[fell the profane]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/244/fell-the-profane-fell-mire

Fell the Profane <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target creature or planeswalker.
"I can think of no fate more fitting for one so foul as you." —Aryel, knight of Windgrace

Fell Mire
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
"The Nethermire is all the salvation you deserve." —Aryel, knight of Windgrace

[maiden widget]

I used to

Then I cut it for my Kuja deck

I feel like I should put it back bc I have bounce lands

[lusty igloo]

is sink to stupor rly better than fell the profane lol

for our bracket

[maiden widget]

I use [[waterlogged teaching]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/261/waterlogged-teachings-inundated-archive

Waterlogged Teachings <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaub:292901509056692224>

Instant
Search your library for an instant card or a card with flash, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
The long-dead librarians are still on hand to recommend selected titles.

Inundated Archive
Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add or .
Moldering tomes line rotting shelves. Generations of priceless knowledge fade from memory beneath the waves.

[lusty igloo]

yeah i mean ofc lol but im not sure about these other two

fell the profane not even being an exile make sme suspect

[maiden widget]

Yeah that’s why it’s not worth it for me in here

Bc I have better removal

[lusty igloo]

GUYS CAN WE HAVE A TALK [[Kambal, Consul of Allocations]]

Does he put in work for y'all??? I'm considering dropping him for Insight. But I've only cast him once

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/237/kambal-consul-of-allocation

Kambal, Consul of Allocation <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, that player loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
He has "friends" in places both high and low, and all seem to owe him favors.
2/3

[soft peak]

I like him

If talking b4+ he might be too slow

[lusty igloo]

ok i dropped baral instead

fraud i thinik

i'll report back with insight's performance after 10 games

[soft peak]

Yea that sounds better

[lusty igloo]

i still think y'all are sleeping on kaito. the guy puts in work

[[kaito, bane of nightmares]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/220/kaito-bane-of-nightmares

Kaito, Bane of Nightmares <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Kaito
Ninjutsu (, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
During your turn, as long as Kaito has one or more loyalty counters on him, he's a 3/4 Ninja creature and has hexproof.
+1: You get an emblem with "Ninjas you control get +1/+1."
0: Surveil 2. Then draw a card for each opponent who lost life this turn.
−2: Tap target creature. Put two stun counters on it.
Loyalty: 4

[maiden widget]

I like Kambal he’s sick af

[soft peak]

[[Gixian puppeteer]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/99/gixian-puppeteer

Gixian Puppeteer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Warlock
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
When this creature dies, return another target creature card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
To some, desecration. To Gix, decoration.
4/3

[soft peak]

I wish this guy was slightly cheaper

:c

[maiden widget]

He’s less than $1

[soft peak]

my point is

sheoldred the apocalypse is $100

hes $1

theres nothing in between

as far as turning draw into damage

[maiden widget]

Oh hear me out for b3 yshtola enjoyer

We play [[displacer kitten]] and [[teferi, time raveler]] loop to loop sol ring

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/63/displacer-kitten

Displacer Kitten <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Cat Beast
Avoidance — Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, exile up to one target nonland permanent you control, then return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control.
"Isn't she the cutest thing you've almost seen?" —Doen, purveyor of exotic pets
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/232/teferi-time-raveler

Teferi, Time Raveler <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
Each opponent can cast spells only any time they could cast a sorcery.
+1: Until your next turn, you may cast sorcery spells as though they had flash.
−3: Return up to one target artifact, creature, or enchantment to its owner's hand. Draw a card.
Loyalty: 4

[maiden widget]

(And we don’t play tutor

There is a weird combo to win with yshtola thanks to @lusty igloo

[soft peak]

what is the relevance

[lusty igloo]

i mean i dont thikn it's good if we dont tutor

[soft peak]

I agree im very pro tutor

consistent deck powerlevels are healthy

[maiden widget]

You draw your whole deck and make a bunch of colorless mana

It’s mid af

[soft peak]

cool, my mono blue yshtola deck does that but my esper one is burn, I want damage

[maiden widget]

That’s why it’s b3 material

Well lol like I said if I put tutor with a semi infinite combo it would not be b3

[lusty igloo]

the idea is with teferi time raveler and displacer kitten and sol ring we draw the entire deck first, making 60-80 colorless mana

play 3 talismans, relic of legends, arcane siggnet, and fellwar stone or whatever. ~7 colored mana

use the colored mana to first play yshtola, delneys, and our two clone cards (quantumn + irenes vile). copy at least 1delney for 16 dmg (3 ysthola + 1 = 12 dmg). if we have yshtola already its better but not required. we have 1 color mana floating.

play all our free spells. this should be enough to kill. if we have 5 its 80 dmg

[soft peak]

no tutor just means some games youre going to blow everyone out way faster than they agreed to and the rest of the time everyone will just treat you like you can do that

[maiden widget]

Even though you can’t even do it til like turn 4-6

[soft peak]

tutors means their expectations of your deck matches reality more often

it makes for better games

if you think winning turn 4 is too fast take it out perhaps

[lusty igloo]

If not use frantic search 1 colored mana -> 3 colored mana. you can do this trick with rewind / unwind too to get more colored mana. we have like 8 colored mana and we can play 8 more 3 cmc + spells

dismember is also free spell

[maiden widget]

Well here the thing I would play tutor in like B4 or cedh, that’s why I said for like b3 enjoyer lol

[lusty igloo]

rewind / unwind your own spells

[soft peak]

I play tutors in bracket 2 and I think more people should for the reasons above

[lusty igloo]

it's like ~18 3 cmc + spells with 2 delneys + 2 yhstola on field so like 250 dmg

[maiden widget]

Also I’m anti tutor in Highlander most of the time

[maiden widget]

Trust me I played like 5 tutor in my cloud Voltron go brrrr deck

And the deck feel like b1 most of time lmao

[lusty igloo]

im not going to play this combo because im of hte opinion it's inconsistent without enough tutors, and t3f and displacer kitten dont seem good enough on their own

it's an option though. @maiden widget is going to test it

[maiden widget]

Lmao I use teferi as a stax piece most of the time

Displacer kitten is iffy for real

[lusty igloo]

in b4+ we have sol ring, mox amber, mox opal, chrome mox, mox diamond, lotus petal, mana vault to do the combo. in b3 we have just... sol ring and maybe mox amber

[maiden widget]

but hear me out displacer kitten blink your mana rock everytime you cast something

It’s like another cost less spell on your field

[lusty igloo]

idk man id be more supportive if blinking yshtola didnt take off curiosity

then itd be a strong card for protection

[soft peak]

[[tandem lookout]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/53/tandem-lookout

Tandem Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Scout
Soulbond (You may pair this creature with another unpaired creature when either enters. They remain paired for as long as you control both of them.)
As long as Tandem Lookout is paired with another creature, each of those creatures has "Whenever this creature deals damage to an opponent, draw a card."
2/1

[maiden widget]

Trust me I run all 4 curiosity cards

[lusty igloo]

im so tempted to run t3f and kitten. it sounds like a fun combo. but i dont have enough tutors

[maiden widget]

Just draw them with curiosity

[lusty igloo]

mox amber also makes the combo way easier cuz we have a bunch of colored

ok im done gn

[soft peak]

gn

[wide quiver]

Tutor hater reporting in

[soft peak]

Tutor hater = lopsided game enjoyer

[wide quiver]

The spirit of the format demands it.

[compact vine]

It’s kind of the point of 100 card highlander formats to not always have the cards you need

[desert sequoia]

That's one way to look at it

I like tutors, but it does depend a lot. I think most bad tutor moments stem from the fetched cards

[maiden widget]

Wait you are tutor hater ?

[wide quiver]

Of course

[compact vine]

I’m still missing one battlebond for this deck. Morphic Pool’s impossible to find istg

[elder lagoon]

Same

Tutors stinky

[sleek sonnet]

Tutors are a copy of any card in your deck, but that gets boring if you run for the special combo every game

[elder lagoon]

And if you’re not tutoring for something specific you should just draw more cards, ezpz

[maiden widget]

Ok I’m a big fan of you now

[wide quiver]

Aww thanks. I'm a big fan of me too!

[sleek sonnet]

I’ve lost games because I used the tutor to go for the fun card rather than the pragmatic card

[elder lagoon]

Just so you know, fish, we don’t really allow the use of pepe and related imagery in the server

[wide quiver]

Can't spell tutor without toot

💨

[maiden widget]

Tutor for 1 specific type ( creature, enchantment,….) is fine

Anything

Stinky

[elder lagoon]

Even then, I’d rather draw two enchantments than tutor for one

Or heck an enchantment and a land would be great too

[wide quiver]

[[sunforger]] as a trick kinda skirts the rule for me

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/473/sunforger

Sunforger <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +4/+0.
, Unattach this Equipment: Search your library for a red or white instant card with mana value 4 or less and cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then shuffle.
Equip

[wide quiver]

equipment decks in general are a little on the fence for me

[maiden widget]

In any card game honestly “search your deck for any card” is icky for me

[compact vine]

Oof… found one for $30

[soft peak]

Less boring than winning 3 turns faster than normal because you drew the combo or dying several turns earlier than normal because everyone now has to assume you have the combo

If your deck does a thing, and you like the thing, why be ashamed about doing the thing?

[wide quiver]

You've reminded me that I want to make a [[maralen the mournsong]] deck with [[ob nixilis unshackled]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mor/65/maralen-of-the-mornsong

Maralen of the Mornsong <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Elf Wizard
Players can't draw cards.
At the beginning of each player's draw step, that player loses 3 life, searches their library for a card, puts it into their hand, then shuffles.
Maralen sent Veesa, Endry, and Iliona—the Vendilion clique—on the gravest of tasks.
2/3

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/84/ob-nixilis-unshackled

Ob Nixilis, Unshackled <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Demon
Flying, trample
Whenever an opponent searches their library, that player sacrifices a creature of their choice and loses 10 life.
Whenever another creature dies, put a +1/+1 counter on Ob Nixilis.
4/4

[soft peak]

And if the thing is boring or too fast maybe take it out

[soft peak]

I support you in your endeavor

[maiden widget]

It’s weird to say but if I want to do the same thing Every game I would chose to play standard

[soft peak]

How many strategies do yalls decks have

[maiden widget]

Like 1.5 but any combination of card have different flavor into it

Also if I play cedh then it’s another different story haha

[sleek sonnet]

If your deck does a thing in the same way with the same cards every time that easily gets boring, or people stop wanting to play games with your heavily optimized deck that curbstomps them

[soft peak]

Yeah im not even suggesting tutor to 1 win con every time btw

My mono blue yshtola has 3 different strategies but like 7 tutors because theres very specific cards that enable each, and any redundant options basically dont exist

[sleek sonnet]

That’s a good point, didn’t think about that

[soft peak]

So either i find the cards i need and the games are good or i durdle 50% of the games and dont get to play

And u can be creative with tutors

Im using wizardcycling

Lmao

[maiden widget]

Like I said tutor for a spacific type of card is acceptable

But for any card in your deck is just an excuse

[soft peak]

decks with a lot of redundancy options like esper yshtola I do use less but still use 3, I think thats a fine baseline even for low power

[maiden widget]

Like I run [[waterlogged teaching]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/261/waterlogged-teachings-inundated-archive

Waterlogged Teachings <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaub:292901509056692224>

Instant
Search your library for an instant card or a card with flash, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
The long-dead librarians are still on hand to recommend selected titles.

Inundated Archive
Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add or .
Moldering tomes line rotting shelves. Generations of priceless knowledge fade from memory beneath the waves.

[soft peak]

the table is always very happy to see I exiled curiosity with [[!demonic bargain]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/103/demonic-bargain

Demonic Bargain

[maiden widget]

In yeshtola because eh

[wide quiver]

That's a land

[maiden widget]

It’s a flawless maneuver on the stack

[soft peak]

I ran [[!spoils of the vault]] for a bit too

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/116/spoils-of-the-vault

Spoils of the Vault

[soft peak]

that card is funny

[compact vine]

I run exactly one tutor and it’s purely because it double proc Y’shtola

[soft peak]

yeah valid

[compact vine]

Found a damaged Morphic Pool for $10 CAD!

[maiden widget]

Actually it’s a deadly rolick on your vivi

[compact vine]

That’s all three battle bonds baybee

[maiden widget]

Here me out [[caretaker’s talent]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/6/caretakers-talent

Caretaker's Talent <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever one or more tokens you control enter, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, create a token that's a copy of target token you control.
: Level 3
Creature tokens you control get +2/+2.

[wide quiver]

Yeah, if you're doing a token version, it's good

[maiden widget]

Well I only have 2 copy of the token making

Is there more ?

[wide quiver]

I meant if you want to do a token theme

Not copy yshtola

[maiden widget]

Wait lmao

[soft peak]

theres at least 3 (2 sorcercies and a creature)

probably more if youre hard comitting

[maiden widget]

I though yshtola wasn’t legend for a second

[wide quiver]

???

[maiden widget]

😂

[wide quiver]

Frogot the rules of commander for a second

[maiden widget]

Yeah

[compact vine]

Rad, also got some Verge lands

Is there a white blue Verge? Could only find Dimir and Orzhov

[compact vine]

Got it

[maiden widget]

Displacer kitten bought

The 2nd kitty have hit the deck

[compact vine]

Didn’t you give me shit for playing Displacer kitten the other day, saying we aren’t a blink deck? 😛

[maiden widget]

I’m building an infinite

Testing with @lusty igloo

[wide quiver]

🤢

[maiden widget]

It’s ok I don’t run tutor

I just draw the combo with curiosity effect

[compact vine]

I like my Displacer combo better 😛

[fervent burrow]

Mmmm draw

[lusty igloo]

https://moxfield.com/decks/0M7zQR70fkazl12Te6bQLQ my list after some changes

reporting back after 10 games with Insight

[maiden widget]

[[unexpected absence]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/106/fr/absence-imprévue-(unexpectedly-absent)

Absence imprévue <:manax:292901509082120202><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Éphémère
Mettez le permanent non-terrain ciblé dans la bibliothèque de son propriétaire juste au-dessous des X cartes du dessus de cette bibliothèque.
Une fois que vous aurez été entraîné par les courants du temps, vous ne serez plus jamais sûr de votre propre continuité.

[maiden widget]

Wait what ?

[wide quiver]

[[unexplained absense]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/17/unexplained-absence

Unexplained Absence <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
For each player, exile up to one target nonland permanent that player controls. For each permanent exiled this way, its controller cloaks the top card of their library. (To cloak a card, put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)

[maiden widget]

[[unexplained absence]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/17/unexplained-absence

Unexplained Absence <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
For each player, exile up to one target nonland permanent that player controls. For each permanent exiled this way, its controller cloaks the top card of their library. (To cloak a card, put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)

[maiden widget]

Yes

It’s like a cool generous gift

[fervent burrow]

well specifically more like a cool stroke of midnight

[wide quiver]

And it's exile

Not destroy

[maiden widget]

It’s ain’t stroke

[fervent burrow]

I mean why not

Its closer to stroke than gift but neither is exile

[maiden widget]

Well path’s buffed cousin

That don’t ramp

[potent charm]

It's catching up to bumbleflower

It increased much faster then the bumbleflower one is as well

[maiden widget]

You’re welcome on my 30 mins rant about tutors for no reason

[maiden widget]

I know I hate tutor but hear me out [[Praetor's Grasp]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/nph/71/praetors-grasp

Praetor's Grasp <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Search target opponent's library for a card and exile it face down. Then that player shuffles. You may play that card for as long as it remains exiled.
Sheoldred weaves every thread of information into a noose to hang her enemies.

[lusty igloo]

that seems like a high power card

to get rid of combos and stuff

you have to realize that praetor's grasp doesnt let you use mana of any color

so red and green are already out

[sleek sonnet]

Yeah but you can grab their sol ring

[lusty igloo]

bruh

[sleek sonnet]

I mostly say that as a joke

[lusty igloo]

oh lol

[sleek sonnet]

But like even against decks that aren’t in your colors depriving a deck of a combo piece might amount to an elaborate counter spell but it’s still something

[lusty igloo]

yeah but i dont see it being useful in avg b3 pods

which is where me and fish live

[sleek sonnet]

Tbh I speak from experience that it’s not, I’ve tried using it in [[Zevlor]] and it’s never really helped

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/296/zevlor-elturel-exile

Zevlor, Elturel Exile <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Tiefling Warrior
Haste
, : When you next cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only a single opponent or a single permanent an opponent controls this turn, for each other opponent, choose that player or a permanent they control, copy that spell, and the copy targets the chosen player or permanent.
4/2

[lusty igloo]

i think its a cedh card

and some cedh are trash in casual

[sleek sonnet]

I mean idk if it’s a cedh card but Y’shtola definitely has better cards to choose from

[soft peak]

its a meta cedh card but also a haha i stole your sol ring card

both are true

[sleek sonnet]

My group is ~b3-4, we all don’t really care for trying to hit cedh level optimization

[soft peak]

yeah doubt its good in the middle brackets

[lusty igloo]

i live in b3 and play b2 b/c im forced to. i love b4 but never get to play it

b1 and b5 are ew to me

idk how b5 is fun 90% of decks are same cards

[sleek sonnet]

[[bribery]] is similar, especially if you’re an idiot and grab cards that don’t actually help you in the moment (it me, I’ve done that)

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/77/bribery

Bribery <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Search target opponent's library for a creature card and put that card onto the battlefield under your control. Then that player shuffles.
"It seems your ticket is in order after all, ma'am."

[lusty igloo]

that looks like a fun card

i might include it in my eluge deck im brewing

[sleek sonnet]

Oh it is, especially the part where you spend 5+ minutes trying to figure out what the best card is to take from the person you just met’s deck

[maiden widget]

I’ll grab that one ring bc I can’t afford it

😂

[marsh solar]

Did anybody mention [[!veilstone amulet]] for protection yet?

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/fut/166/veilstone-amulet

Veilstone Amulet

[lusty igloo]

HMMMM

do you think this is better than giver of runes/mother of runes?

i might run it

[maiden widget]

They can just say

Hexproof

Wait no it’s also ability

😭

[lusty igloo]

we need shroud not hexproof

wai

which one is whcih

[marsh solar]

?

[maiden widget]

Wait til I put in [[smoke bomb]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/75/smoke-bomb

Smoke Bomb <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Flash
All creatures have shroud. (They can't be the targets of spells or abilities.)
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this artifact. When you do, target creature you control can't be blocked this turn.
When the sun removes all shadows, the Assassins create their own.

[lusty igloo]

[[lightning greaves]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/102/lightning-greaves

Lightning Greaves <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has haste and shroud. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equip
After lightning struck the cliffs, the ore became iron, the iron became steel, and the steel became greaves. The lightning never left.

[lusty igloo]

oh we need hexproof

hmm im not 100% sure. can u run it first and tell us

im going to stay on mother of runes for now

[maiden widget]

Gift of immortality is on my chopping list

[soft peak]

OMG

This looks SICK

[marsh solar]

It is totally underrated

Just thought I would share

[lusty igloo]

my problem im thinking of rn is that half my instants are counterspells anyway

so it wouldnt do anything

[soft peak]

My deck is like 50% instant speed draw spells to BURN everyone

Im putting it in immediately

[lusty igloo]

the scenario where it protects me is if i cast a non-counterspell instant which is usually like a kill spell which seems niche

yeah it makes sense for you

i dont have flash either

[maiden widget]

I need to put more instant

And cut back on enchantments

Should I cut [[solitary confinement]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/265/solitary-confinement

Solitary Confinement <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this enchantment unless you discard a card.
Skip your draw step.
You have shroud. (You can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to you.

[maiden widget]

Bc if I open it early it’s just dead

[lusty igloo]

it wins me games all the time

in scenarios where nothing else saves me

[maiden widget]

I only comfortable putting it down unless I have like at least 1 curiosity effect down

[lusty igloo]

yeah

it wins the game with curiosity 90% of time

i lost to aristocrats (lose life is not dmg) + [[otawara soaring city]] once

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/271/otawara-soaring-city

Otawara, Soaring City

Legendary Land
: Add .
Channel — , Discard this card: Return target artifact, creature, enchantment, or planeswalker to its owner's hand. This ability costs less to activate for each legendary creature you control.

[lusty igloo]

i could counter the channel with [[Disallow]] because it's an activated ability not a spell but i didnt realize it until after the game

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/aer/31/disallow

Disallow <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell, activated ability, or triggered ability. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
"How easily your flames are quenched." —Baral, Chief of Compliance

[maiden widget]

Still casually died to voltron

😢

[lusty igloo]

how did you die to voltron with solitary

[maiden widget]

Isn’t commander damage still stack up

Like infect

Or they lied to me lol ?

[lusty igloo]

no....

you dont take dmg from voltron lol if you didnt take damage

also

[maiden widget]

Hmmmmmm

[lusty igloo]

@maiden widget you dont take infect either...... you can get proliferated

you cant take dmg

if you have an infect counter it can proliferate but you cant take dmg

[maiden widget]

I thought commander damage is not count as damage

[lusty igloo]

it is lol

[maiden widget]

I e been lied to

[lusty igloo]

they prob didnt know

unless your frens are liars in general lol

[maiden widget]

Random guy at lgs

[lusty igloo]

i dont know how all 4 people at a table dont know that

usually theres 1 vet that knows all the rules. i guess not always

[winter cipher]

Was there a questing beast?

Something that doesn't let damage be prevented?

That's how commander damage can still kill someone under teferi's protection even if the life total doesn't change

[sleek sonnet]

The free spell [[lying]] works too

[surreal shoal]

Multiple cards match “lying”, can you be more specific?

[sleek sonnet]

Scryfall you were supposed to say “no cards found”, why ruin the joke

[compact vine]

Played my first two games with Y’shtola tonight

Won the first one and threw the second because I was way too far ahead and want to get invited back XD

I will say, the best decision I ever made was adding Decanter and Reliquary Tower

We have SO much draw power it’s insane

[maiden widget]

It’s too much lying in commanders ngl

😭

[lusty igloo]

Not the on purpose throwing

But yeah I got complaints from another server they were win-more cards. I disagree and think they’re game sealers for cheap

(Reliquary, thought vessel, or decanter)

[maiden widget]

Wait until I play [[proft’s eidetic]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/67/profts-eidetic-memory

Proft's Eidetic Memory <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
When Proft's Eidetic Memory enters, draw a card.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've drawn more than one card this turn, put X +1/+1 counters on target creature you control, where X is the number of cards you've drawn this turn minus one.

[weak silo]

They probably thought it was life teferi's protection

[green vigil]

Not a fan of proft in yhstola

[desert sequoia]

wtf are you all playing for draw power?

I need some of that in my stupid Abuelo's Slumber Party deck

[marsh solar]

This one might be good for card advantage. I think most people are protecting themselves with other enchantments like ghostly prison and such.

[fervent burrow]

[[norn annex]] is probably better if thats something you're looking at tbh. I'd rather they lose more life + get the draw from yshtola than try to win the monarchy back with my deck

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/829/norns-annex

Norn's Annex <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manawp:292901508826005515><:manawp:292901508826005515>

Artifact
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.

[elder lagoon]

I dislike norn’s annex tbh. Like I get it triggers y’shtola but the same mana + 4 life for a way, way worse propaganda just seems real bad

[soft peak]

depends on your wincon

if youre comboing to win the life loss is meaningless and yeah its way worse propoganda

but if the life loss will matter I like it more

[desert sequoia]

Ah well, is it wau worse tho?

Because you only need to cast a single 3+cmc if non-white players hit you with 1 creature. If they hit with multiple you get the draw. It's decent.

[soft peak]

It doesnt really protect you is the issue

If chipping away at their life isn't the axis youre winning on

[compact vine]

Curiosity, Ophidian Eye, Y’shtola herself, and Frantic Search

[desert sequoia]

I guess? You'd have to find them though.

[compact vine]

That’s… kinda the case with any card you add

[desert sequoia]

That's not that many cards, is what I mean

[compact vine]

Y’shtola herself is a draw engine though

[desert sequoia]

Eh, she's a replacer for some non-creature stuff. I found that she was too fragile most of the time tbh.

[soft peak]

around her I like ledger shredder and talion, some people run [[sygg, river cutthroat]] as well

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/znc/103/sygg-river-cutthroat

Sygg, River Cutthroat <:manaub:292901509056692224><:manaub:292901509056692224>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Rogue
At the beginning of each end step, if an opponent lost 3 or more life this turn, you may draw a card. (Damage causes loss of life.)
"It's not a matter of deserving. It's a matter of strength. The power to hold versus the power to take."
1/3

[desert sequoia]

Shredder is solid, I even run [[Raffine, Scheeming Seer]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/213/raffine-scheming-seer

Raffine, Scheming Seer <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Sphinx Demon
Flying, ward
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature connives X, where X is the number of attacking creatures. (Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each nonland card discarded this way.)
1/4

[desert sequoia]

But then, my strategy is a stupid meme combo

[compact vine]

Maybe out of the box for the precon. I have no problems keeping her protected

[soft peak]

it depends on meta probs in my pod shes kill on sight

but i played some public games and ppl hardly touched her

[desert sequoia]

Yeah, I feel like she's an obvious KoS

But yeah, I only had to recast her once and then comboed off with Omniscience

[soft peak]

there are way scarier commanders than her shes just an okay engine

its once you have curiosity etc on her

that shes definitely top priority to remove

oh yeah delney for draw too

doubles her damage and her draw trigger pretty insane

[desert sequoia]

Yeah, but she's always like 1 card away from turning into Vivi

[soft peak]

cloning her too

[compact vine]

Or Fuckin whatsername on board

Chick from Murder at Karlov

[soft peak]

delney yeah?

[compact vine]

That’s the one

[soft peak]

streetwise lookout

[desert sequoia]

[[Irenicus Vile]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/78/irenicuss-vile-duplication

Irenicus's Vile Duplication <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control, except the token has flying and it isn't legendary.
"You will serve me better in this form." —Jon Irenicus

[compact vine]

She’s absurdly good

[desert sequoia]

This shit is so funny on her

[compact vine]

[[the impostor]]

[surreal shoal]

Multiple cards match “the impostor”, can you be more specific?

[soft peak]

whats scarier, yshtola + delney or a cloned yshtola

[compact vine]

[[sakashima imlostor]]

[surreal shoal]

No card found for “sakashima imlostor”

[desert sequoia]

Ya, I know about ol SakMan

[compact vine]

Omfg you know what I’m talking about haha

I use him targeting Y’shtola

[compact vine]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[desert sequoia]

Ya, I was just running dumbass nonsense so I could entomb an omniscience and then reanimate it lmao

[soft peak]

$$$ lol

delney costs so much

[compact vine]

Yeah I got damn lucky and had one in my bulk without realizing

[soft peak]

i wonder if sheoldred will get cheaper once standard rotates

:c

[desert sequoia]

Sheoldred's so dumb lol

[compact vine]

I wouldn’t run Sheoldred even if I had one

[desert sequoia]

Every single Sheoldred card is just the moat vile shit ever

[soft peak]

I have two decks that want sheoldred lol

[compact vine]

Fandaniel’s good enough for me

[desert sequoia]

In my other esper deck I looped Sheoldred 3 times in 2 turns and then cast Elesh Norn

(The one just called Sheoldred, and Grand Cenobite)

[soft peak]

you know i havent tried him yet

hmmm

I really should

[desert sequoia]

Vein Ripper turns that into a -x +x where X is the number of times your opponent blinked in the past 10 minutes.

[soft peak]

maybe i replace [[gixian puppeteer]] with fandaniel

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/99/gixian-puppeteer

Gixian Puppeteer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Warlock
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
When this creature dies, return another target creature card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
To some, desecration. To Gix, decoration.
4/3

[desert sequoia]

Feela kinda win more, yeah

[soft peak]

thats what ive been feeling with him

only good if im already ahead

[desert sequoia]

You're already counting on the second card coming in to triggee cat woman

[soft peak]

bit of board control on him too

if yall have played fandaniel has the saccing mattered much?

as far as like protecting yourself with it lol

[compact vine]

I also play [[Y’shtola Rhul]] and the two of them together are scary

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/86/yshtola-rhul

Y'shtola Rhul <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Cat Druid
At the beginning of your end step, exile target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. Then if it's the first end step of the turn, there is an additional end step after this step.
"As I suspected, the aetheric disturbance here is no natural occurrence."
3/5

[soft peak]

atp I would need to completely redesign my deck to run her lol

sounds really strong though

[compact vine]

Yeah I also run Torrential Gearhulk and [[Quistis Trepe]] so I’ve definitely got blink targets

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/66/quistis-trepe

Quistis Trepe <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Blue Magic — When Quistis Trepe enters, you may cast target instant or sorcery card from a graveyard, and mana of any type can be spent to cast that spell. If that spell would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead.
"It's not like everyone can get by on their own, you know?"
2/2

[compact vine]

Also have Displacer Kitten

[soft peak]

I have the blue yshtola as commander in her own deck

its a bit odd though

creature focused

[[Master of Waves]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddt/1/master-of-waves

Master of Waves <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Protection from red
Elemental creatures you control get +1/+1.
When this creature enters, create a number of 1/0 blue Elemental creature tokens equal to your devotion to blue. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to blue.)
2/1

[soft peak]

blinking stuff like this guy

[wide quiver]

It's just tough for me to tap out 6 mana for a creature in this deck

[soft peak]

yah thats why im wary about fandaniel

5 is pushing it

[compact vine]

Which is totally fair

[soft peak]

ill give him a go though. Strong on his own so

[wide quiver]

Damn daniel

[compact vine]

I respect that stance, I just REALLY wanted to run both Y’shtolas

Favourite FF character and all

[wide quiver]

YEESH'tola

[compact vine]

Talent of the Telepath was an MVP last night

Didn’t even matter what I hit with it, it was still a triple proc with Delney on board

So 12 damage, 12 heal

[desert sequoia]

The blue Y'sthola is a repeatable cyclonic rift + MLD with [[Venser, Shaper Savant]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/66/venser-shaper-savant

Venser, Shaper Savant <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Flash (You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant.)
When Venser enters, return target spell or permanent to its owner's hand.
His marvels of artifice pale in comparison to the developing machinery of his mind.
2/2

[desert sequoia]

Especially with [[Thassa, Deep]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/71/thassa-deep-dwelling

Thassa, Deep-Dwelling <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to blue is less than five, Thassa isn't a creature.
At the beginning of your end step, exile up to one other target creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under your control.
: Tap another target creature.
6/5

[fervent burrow]

I mean isn't that just like typical blink tho

[desert sequoia]

Most of them can't return lands to hand tho

[fervent burrow]

I mean any blink deck is running venser not like a yshtola specific thing

[desert sequoia]

Esp not on a repeatable clock

I guess? I just see Blinks going infinite and winning the game instantly most of the time

Instead of cyclonic rifting the table and bouncing lands

[daring oriole]

Thoughts on [[promise of loyalty]]?

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/79/promise-of-loyalty

Promise of Loyalty <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Each player puts a vow counter on a creature they control and sacrifices the rest. Each of those creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control for as long as it has a vow counter on it.
"It's us against the world. Forever."

[soft peak]

good

theres a few others I prefer more personally

but good

[fervent burrow]

Yeah its probably in the top 5 boardwipes for Yshtola

[soft peak]

[[Forger's foundry]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/14/forgers-foundry

Forger's Foundry <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
: Add . When you spend this mana to cast an instant or sorcery spell with mana value 3 or less, you may exile that spell instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard as it resolves.
, : You may cast any number of spells from among cards exiled with this artifact without paying their mana costs. Activate only as a sorcery.

[soft peak]

Interesting

[wide quiver]

oooh

[sleek sonnet]

I don’t know if [[Rod of absorption]] is great for her but it sounds useful

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/19/rod-of-absorption

Rod of Absorption <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
Whenever a player casts an instant or sorcery spell, exile it instead of putting it into a graveyard as it resolves.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: You may cast any number of spells from among cards exiled with this artifact with total mana value X or less without paying their mana costs.

[maiden widget]

Ok I just come into realization

They give us ff14 deck don’t include [[sea of cloud]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/360/sea-of-clouds

Sea of Clouds

Land
This land enters tapped unless you have two or more opponents.
: Add or .
A shoreless sea extends to every horizon, sharing its beauty only with those who can fly high enough to see it.

[maiden widget]

So messed up

[desert sequoia]

Check out [[River Diary]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/182/river-songs-diary

River Song's Diary <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Imprint — Whenever a player casts an instant or sorcery spell from their hand, exile it instead of putting it into a graveyard as it resolves.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are four or more cards exiled with this artifact, choose one of them at random. You may cast it without paying its mana cost.

[sleek sonnet]

That’s significantly better, less controllable though

[desert sequoia]

Yeah

[compact vine]

That’s also peak chaos comedy

[maiden widget]

Yall my table got upset after 6th boardwipe

[soft peak]

Sounds like they need to protect their board better

Though you probably should be winning a few board wipes earlier lol

[maiden widget]

Here is the count

Then supreme verdict

[soft peak]

The only board wipes i feel bad about playing are the symmetrical ones

[compact vine]

You are legitimately a bad person

[maiden widget]

either that or I lose

[soft peak]

Sometimes its okay to just lose

[compact vine]

Play better?

[soft peak]

If you have no followup plan

And arent playing cedh ofc

Imagine though fish

For a moment

If one or two of those board wipes

Were tutors

So you could get what you needed

Instead of wiping the board the 6th time

[maiden widget]

I mean it's the game plan of the deck Keeping one creature on board and and win with it

[maiden widget]

I only play this people is ok with longer games

if not i play a rakdos good stuff deck

[soft peak]

Supreme verdict doesnt keep ysh alive tho

[maiden widget]

i casted if I have like maunever in hand

[soft peak]

Ahh

[maiden widget]

or gift of immotality

[compact vine]

If you cut 4 of your 7 board wipes, you could run shit that would make you not NEED 7 board wipes

[maiden widget]

8*

[compact vine]

You disgust me

[maiden widget]

i forgot i also have toxic deluge

for token deck

[compact vine]

Like not even comedy. You do.

[maiden widget]

https://archidekt.com/decks/14455731/yshtola here is the current deck

it's not the best

I did cut grand aubiter thou

👍 too much salt with that card

[compact vine]

Imma let you in on a secret. You can play control without being the person that never gets invited back.

[maiden widget]

Like I said I only play this deck if other 3 ok with it or it's B4 table lol

i have fairer deck

and this deck lose to a voltron easily

or a competent life gain deck

[compact vine]

Yeah but you clearly didn’t build it to win. You built it to annoy as many people as possible

[maiden widget]

I mean Im planning to cut down 2 for sure (toxic deluge, and supreme verdict) but I rather not play tutor in this deck because I have an "infinite"

I would cut farewell

i might do something like esper sentinel or mystic remora

[wide quiver]

Yay boardwipe tribal

[sleek sonnet]

https://archidekt.com/decks/13034102/yamirayq

This is mine, I can’t imagine it fighting board wipe tribal

That’s just not fun

[sleek sonnet]

Also since it’s here I might as well ask if anyone has any feedback for my deck

[elder lagoon]

I have a friend with MULTIPLE board wipe tribal decks.

Totally unrelated, I do not play with that player nearly as often anymore

[compact vine]

Like if you want board wipe tribal, just play Massacre Girl as your commander

[sleek sonnet]

Or use scryfall to playtest decks instead of losing friends

[elder lagoon]

I played with them today and was reminded why I don’t

[lusty igloo]

why do @maiden widget @compact vine have beef lol

[maiden widget]

i dont have beef with anyone, person just doesn' t like me lol

[sleek sonnet]

Cause fish is running “murder as a flavored favored weapon” kind of deck, I think

[desert sequoia]

Does no one at your table run blue?

I only run like 3 wipes and my deck doesn't actually need Yshtola to stay alive - I just need her on board so no one survives the Omniscience popping off

[maiden widget]

Yes ish

[maiden widget]

Well that’s also a win con I guess

[desert sequoia]

It's a meme deck based on the Standard deck that also played Omni

[maiden widget]

Well my deck is keeping the board in check until I can pop off with bolas cidetal or the janky 3 card combo

[desert sequoia]

Ah. Citadel do be balanced like that

[maiden widget]

I love my 3 cards janky combo thou I found yesterday thou

[desert sequoia]

I played an Archenemy game where Citadel + Vein Ripper + Sac to Search Guy just yote the archenemy in one turn lol

[maiden widget]

Lol it’s fair

I don’t understand why go wide deck allowed to have a full board and kill me in one turn but I don’t allowed to board wipe them more than one a game

[desert sequoia]

It's not about that lol

[maiden widget]

Nah I’m not going into the whole tangent And get attacked by random online

[desert sequoia]

If you boardwipe once or twice, you're fine, but you then need to be able to close out the game before hour 4 or 5.

To be clear - the same is true if your deck runs no wipes. That shit is ass too.

[maiden widget]

I warned peop before game start and only play this deck if all 3 others want to

I have a go fast go wild that win on turn 4-8 all the time

[desert sequoia]

So when you hit a critical mass of wipes, it's less 'oh this sets the others back and lets me go for the win' and instead forces the table to play combo or go home.

[maiden widget]

I never casted 6 BW before in a game lastnight was different

[soft peak]

consider using fogs

instead of board wipes

they do nearly the same thing for you

[maiden widget]

I have some of them

[soft peak]

but don't piss the table off and also keep others as the threat instead of making you archenemy

[maiden widget]

Just not Tpro

[soft peak]

I used to run [[prismatic strands]], very funny card

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/69/prismatic-strands

Prismatic Strands <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Prevent all damage that sources of the color of your choice would deal this turn.
Flashback—Tap an untapped white creature you control. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

[soft peak]

[[comeuppance]] is neat

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/58/comeuppance

Comeuppance <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to you and planeswalkers you control this turn by sources you don't control. If damage from a creature source is prevented this way, Comeuppance deals that much damage to that creature. If damage from a noncreature source is prevented this way, Comeuppance deals that much damage to the source's controller.

[soft peak]

inkshield

lots of options

[desert sequoia]

And if the meta is go wide

[[Batwing Brume]] fucking rocks

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/arc/80/batwing-brume

Batwing Brume <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manawb:292901509044109312>

Instant
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn if was spent to cast this spell. Each player loses 1 life for each attacking creature they control if was spent to cast this spell. (Do both if was spent.)

[desert sequoia]

1 shot a motherfucker for bringing Krenko's entire extended family into your house

[maiden widget]

Like I said I’m cutting 2 out of my 8 board wipe

And most of the boardwipe I have not even a reset

Just “everyone get to keep one thing”

[desert sequoia]

I ain't hating, you seem to be responsible with it and only play with groups that are okay with it

But I wanted to get across why the reactions are like that

[maiden widget]

This is not even my favorite deck to play lmao

[desert sequoia]

Nah, I get ya. I play like 4 wipes in my reanim deck

[maiden widget]

My fav deck have 1 boardwipe and I cut it yesterday for [[tibalt trickery]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/153/tibalts-trickery

Tibalt's Trickery <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Counter target spell. Choose 1, 2, or 3 at random. Its controller mills that many cards, then exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card with a different name than that spell. They may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then they put the exiled cards on the bottom of their library in a random order.

[maiden widget]

baby

[desert sequoia]

Oh wait, 3 wipes.

CycRift, Damn and Damnation.

Thought I had a deluge too, but nah

[maiden widget]

I hate damnation

[desert sequoia]

Understandable.

[maiden widget]

It’s a reminder on why white is so toxic

😂😂😂

[desert sequoia]

Damnation is black lol

[[Damnation]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/73/damnation

Damnation <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated.

[maiden widget]

I know

I said what I said

[compact vine]

3 is standard

[maiden widget]

Damnation is a reason I think white is a toxic color

[desert sequoia]

...huh?

[maiden widget]

Bc when I look into board wipe for rakdos deck

My option is damnation,…..

Lmaooo

[desert sequoia]

O lol, TefPro/FlawlessMan?

[maiden widget]

And they have 10 trillions good boardwipe

[desert sequoia]

Best rakdos wipes are probs Blasphemous Act and Toxic Deluge

[maiden widget]

On top of their board protection

[maiden widget]

Yeah I have BlAct

[desert sequoia]

Deluge kinda fucks in Yshtola too, if you can Wipe > Cast

[compact vine]

Blood Money’s fun, but it’s high cost

[maiden widget]

Toxic deluge is weird

Because it’s calling 3 most of the time

[desert sequoia]

-/- murders most boards

[maiden widget]

In yshtola specifically

[desert sequoia]

Since cards like Heroic Intervention and Flawless Maneuver can't actually stop it

[desert sequoia]

Even so, she can just swing afterwards 😆

[maiden widget]

Nah I called -3 and tapped on of my pain lain

Profit

[desert sequoia]

Cash Money Plays

[maiden widget]

Bc I hate squirle deck

I might cut deluge and supreme verdict

Keeping farewell as an actuall oh shit button

I might pick up a T-pro copy ngl

[maiden widget]

Ok between Fierce guardian ship and Teferi protection which card should I pick up first for this deck ?

[soft peak]

probs fierce

[lusty igloo]

fierce lol

[maiden widget]

Actually I forgot I’m a fierce hater

[desert sequoia]

Farewell is such a shitter card tbh. It means all insulation strategies except 'don't play the game' are basically toast in every colour except white lol

And I say this as an Adeline & Elesh Norn enjoyer

[maiden widget]

Are you alway calling all mode ?

😂

I limit myself to 3 mode only

Or less

[desert sequoia]

I don't play it, but when I see it it's usually all modes or all modes but this one niche my deck has (I keep 94 token enchantment copies of Smothering Tithe, Divine Visitation and Skrelv's Hive)

(The rest of the table between them keep 1 Purphoros that doesn't have the devotion to be a creature)

[maiden widget]

It’s usually enchantment , creature artifact for me

2 out of 3 80% of the time

[maiden widget]

I just did a board wipe with this [[papalymo]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/90/papalymo-totolymo

Papalymo Totolymo <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Wizard
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, Papalymo Totolymo deals 1 damage to each opponent and you gain 1 life.
, , Sacrifice Papalymo Totolymo: Each opponent who lost life this turn sacrifices a creature with the greatest power among creatures they control.
1/2

[maiden widget]

[[sigil of sleep]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddi/25/sigil-of-sleep

Sigil of Sleep <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Whenever enchanted creature deals damage to a player, return target creature that player controls to its owner's hand.
Arrows are only one way to remove an enemy.

[maiden widget]

Have we think about [[make your move]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/143/make-your-move

Make Your Move <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target artifact, enchantment, or creature with power 4 or greater.
"If you're thinking only one step ahead, you're already falling behind." —Teysa

[wide quiver]

Just worse stroke of midnight

[maiden widget]

I keep forgot [[stroke of midnight]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/132/stroke-of-midnight

Stroke of Midnight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target nonland permanent. Its controller creates a 1/1 white Human creature token.
The assembled partygoers fell silent and stared. As the helmet came to a clattering stop, the only sound was Ash's distant footsteps.

[maiden widget]

Should I consider [[bloodletter of aclazots]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/92/bloodletter-of-aclazotz

Bloodletter of Aclazotz <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Demon
Flying
If an opponent would lose life during your turn, they lose twice that much life instead. (Damage causes loss of life.)
Its very presence rips old wounds open to bleed anew.
2/4

[wide quiver]

Nah

[green vigil]

If anything i would do sanguine bond. Since it would trigger he on cast, and auto trigger her with a single spell. Plus not as susceptible to removal because its an enchantment

[soft peak]

If you play heavily on your turn it could be good

I considered it at the start

It probs doesnt do enough on its own though unless youre doing some combat too

Or if youre trying for some sort of storm win maybe

[maiden widget]

I feel like it’s never come up in chat but

[[trouble in pair]] ?

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/15/trouble-in-pairs

Trouble in Pairs <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If an opponent would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.
Whenever an opponent attacks you with two or more creatures, draws their second card each turn, or casts their second spell each turn, you draw a card.
Together, they're greater than the sum of their rap sheets.

[fervent burrow]

It's just another strong generic card, no synergy, just generically good

[sleek sonnet]

I prefer to call it trouble in plagiarism now

[wide quiver]

It's just a staple

So not really too interesting

[maiden widget]

Wait I didn’t know the card use to be in GC

[wide quiver]

It's like mentioning rhystic or mentioning smothering

[maiden widget]

Sorry fork I’ll find more interesting card

[soft peak]

[[!Sanctum Prelate]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/23/sanctum-prelate

Sanctum Prelate

[soft peak]

heres an interesting card

not for us

I have never seen something more hateful

[fervent burrow]

Smothering at least has extra yshtola synergy because the treasures enable mana on other turns

Which is like, always good, but extra good in the deck that ideally is popping each turn for extra reasons

[wide quiver]

I mean, I guess

[compact vine]

Man, [[Mindsplice Apparatus]] is so good

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/63/mindsplice-apparatus

Mindsplice Apparatus <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
Flash
At the beginning of your upkeep, put an oil counter on this artifact.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast for each oil counter on this artifact.

[compact vine]

I got five counters on the damn thing before I blew up the table

[maiden widget]

[[gatekeeper thrull]]

[surreal shoal]

No card found for “gatekeeper thrull”

No card found for “gatekeeper thrull”

[maiden widget]

[[Doorkeeper thrull]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/13/doorkeeper-thrull

Doorkeeper Thrull <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Thrull
Flash
Flying
Artifacts and creatures entering don't cause abilities to trigger.
Parties at Karlov Manor are strictly invitation only.
1/2

[maiden widget]

I don’t like looking at your “living weapon” “job select”

[maiden widget]

[[cunning rhetoric]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/129/cunning-rhetoric

Cunning Rhetoric <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent attacks you and/or one or more planeswalkers you control, exile the top card of that player's library. You may play that card for as long as it remains exiled, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast it.

[maiden widget]

This card seem interesting

[lusty igloo]

I had [[as foretold before]] and it was a dead card if it wasn't played in early game

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/38/as-foretold

As Foretold <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a time counter on this enchantment.
Once each turn, you may pay rather than pay the mana cost for a spell you cast with mana value X or less, where X is the number of time counters on this enchantment.

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/38/as-foretold

As Foretold <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a time counter on this enchantment.
Once each turn, you may pay rather than pay the mana cost for a spell you cast with mana value X or less, where X is the number of time counters on this enchantment.

[lusty igloo]

oops

so guys... [[trouble in pairs]] or [[insight]] which is better?

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/15/trouble-in-pairs

Trouble in Pairs <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If an opponent would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.
Whenever an opponent attacks you with two or more creatures, draws their second card each turn, or casts their second spell each turn, you draw a card.
Together, they're greater than the sum of their rap sheets.

https://scryfall.com/card/6ed/75/insight

Insight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a green spell, you draw a card.
"We can fight with you or against you. After my day, I'd prefer the former." —Gerrard of the Weatherlight

[wide quiver]

Trouble in pairs

Not even a question lol

[lusty igloo]

I DONT BELIEVE U

Im gonna try insight for 10 games and report back the number of draws per turn

[green vigil]

Trouble is by far. It stops extra turns , and by the by the time you drop it, you can draw 3 times per turn.

[lusty igloo]

but do you even get 3 usually

[green vigil]

2 out of the 3 usually.

With being attacked by 2 or more being the least likely to generate card draw

[lusty igloo]

wtf

ok

ill add trouble in pairs. fk its 4 mana tho

i usually wanna play yshtola for 4

man im gonna try insight until it fails me

[void grove]

I've started to get bored of staples

I no longer run TOR or TIP or ST unless they're actually synergistic with my deck

[lusty igloo]

do you also not run sol ring

ive seen lots of people drop sol ring for being unfair

[sleek sonnet]

It absolutely can be

[lusty igloo]

t1 sol ring into signet is usually a game ender in secret lol

[weak silo]

not even in secret

[lusty igloo]

i lost with that to a turn 1 mishras workshop -> metalworker and t2 10 mana tho

[sleek sonnet]

I got a sol ring in a game today and I was told “welp that alone put you ahead of us in a way we can’t keep up with”

[lusty igloo]

that might be exaggeration

[sleek sonnet]

(They run sol ring too)

[lusty igloo]

but it's just too polarizing the person that draws the t1 sol ring and those who dont. idk. i think it's bad for the game

i think they should gamechanger it

[weak silo]

Kinda wanna mess around with [[God-Eternal Kefnet]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/53/god-eternal-kefnet

God-Eternal Kefnet <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Zombie God
Flying
You may reveal the first card you draw each turn as you draw it. Whenever you reveal an instant or sorcery card this way, copy that card and you may cast the copy. That copy costs less to cast.
When God-Eternal Kefnet dies or is put into exile from the battlefield, you may put it into its owner's library third from the top.
4/5

[sleek sonnet]

But this isn’t the thread for complaining about Sol ring’s power, is it? Cause sol ring is too iconic to the format for anything to be done to it ban-wise, but two extra mana isn’t really a game changer in the late game

[lusty igloo]

yeah true

[sleek sonnet]

I can definitely see arguments for it being included, but it’s also something that risks devaluing the GC list if it’s put there

[soft peak]

It wouldnt devalue the list, mana vault is +2 mana and its there, moxes and ancient tomb +1

[sleek sonnet]

Good point

[soft peak]

I do leave sol ring out of some decks, if they could win way too fast for the bracket with it in

Or if they are annoying enough without it

[sleek sonnet]

Yeah I’ve just gotten used to it being in decks

[green vigil]

All of which are 70+ dollar cards on average while sol ring is 1 dollar and comes in every precon.

[compact vine]

Guys I can count the number of times I’ve actually played out a Sol Ring on one hand

And it’s never early 😭

[desert sequoia]

Money =/= Power

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elder lagoon]

https://moxfield.com/decks/VD1VX4hd1EmMwc3ngA85lg

i have a funny idea but I need 4 more cards to finish it out

Effective/synergistic removal is particularly welcome

Keeping it a 3

[desert sequoia]

[[Anguished Unmaking]] [[Vindicate]] [[Deadly Rollick]] [[Snuff Out]] ?

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/279/anguished-unmaking

Anguished Unmaking <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Exile target nonland permanent. You lose 3 life.
Sorin had created Avacyn, so it was a cruelty beyond imagining, a pain beyond description, that it fell upon him to end her forever.

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/294/vindicate

Vindicate <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy target permanent.

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/147/deadly-rollick

Deadly Rollick <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
If you control a commander, you may cast this spell without paying its mana cost.
Exile target creature.
Otrimi was disappointed at how quickly its new friend got tired and stopped playing.

https://scryfall.com/card/gvl/53/snuff-out

Snuff Out <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
If you control a Swamp, you may pay 4 life rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Destroy target nonblack creature. It can't be regenerated.
"The bigger they are, the faster they rot."

[desert sequoia]

Oh snuff out was already in there

[[Unwind]] then?

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/72/unwind

Unwind <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target noncreature spell. Untap up to three lands.
"A problem is only a problem if you don't have the tools to correct it." —Jhoira

[weak silo]

Depends what you mean by effective/syergistic. But if you are more synergy driven over power you can run something like [[Exterminate!]] as a removal and 1 card 4 damage trigger

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/68/exterminate!

Exterminate! <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Replicate—Tap an untapped Dalek you control. (When you cast this spell, copy it for each time you paid its replicate cost. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
Destroy target creature. Its controller loses 3 life.
"You are the enemy of the Daleks! You will be exterminated! Exterminate!"

[elder lagoon]

That’s a fun idea!

I like vindicate and anguished unmaking, very flexible

I always forget what good removal packages look like lol

[weak silo]

[[Dismember]] is another 1 card trigger that's fairly common

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/79/dismember

Dismember <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manabp:292901508922474496><:manabp:292901508922474496>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Target creature gets -5/-5 until end of turn.
"You serve Phyrexia. Your pieces would better serve Phyrexia elsewhere." —Azax-Azog, the Demon Thane

[maiden widget]

[[slaughter]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/exo/74/slaughter

Slaughter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Buyback—Pay 4 life. (You may pay 4 life in addition to any other costs as you cast this spell. If you do, put this card into your hand as it resolves.)
Destroy target nonblack creature. It can't be regenerated.

[fervent burrow]

I wouldn't hate it if it wasn't the 4 mana upfront tbh

[maiden widget]

Can I have this pin instead ?

https://archidekt.com/decks/14455731/yshtola

[fervent burrow]

Should the other one be removed

[maiden widget]

I deleted

[wide quiver]

You guys see any cool cards from EOE?

I guess the set hasn't been fully anounced yet. We can have a wrap-up then.

[compact vine]

Starting Town worthwhile for us? I just pulled a third

[maiden widget]

I like the jellyfish

[[unravel]] is funny too

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/83/unravel

Unravel <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell. If the amount of mana spent to cast that spell was less than its mana value, you draw a card.
Drix weftwalking requires neither eternity columns nor Pinnacle codebooks. But the art is ancient, and each passing is a leap of faith.

[fervent burrow]

It's pretty solid

[fervent burrow]

Yeah once its 100% out an evaluation is usually what I do

[maiden widget]

If I have 2 delney 2 yshtola on. Board how much damage would I do per 3cmc spell ?

[fervent burrow]

Think 12

Cast spell
Yshtola 1 triggers (2)
Delney 1 retrigger (4)
Delney 2 retrigger (6)
Yshtola 2 triggers (8)
Delney 1 retrigger (10)
Delney 2 retrigger (12)

[maiden widget]

So it’s no different than 3 yshtola 1 Delney

Got it

[fervent burrow]

I'm trying to imagine a formula in my head for this but its not working haha

[maiden widget]

I thought 2 and 2 would be 16 for some reason

[fervent burrow]

Since the Delneys only trigger Yshtolas again not quite

3 Delney and 1 Yshtola would be 8

[maiden widget]

3 yshtola 1 Delney thou

[fervent burrow]

12

[maiden widget]

Yeah I was thinking if there the way for 16

[fervent burrow]

4 yshtola would be

1 delney

Or 3 delney 2 Yshtola

[maiden widget]

Yeah I only have 2 copy effect that’s the other condition

So I might actually need chrome mox for this to work I guess

[fervent burrow]

(DY2 + Y2) this formula works

So 4 Delneys and 3 Yshtolas

4*6 + 6 = 30

[maiden widget]

Or getting more free to cast 3cmc spell

[fervent burrow]

Let me see if that's rifht

Yeah that formula should work

[maiden widget]

I’m trying to make Teferi + Displacer kitten + Mana rock more smooth

[lusty igloo]

just use the mana conversion should be doing 100+ dmg

[maiden widget]

What mana conversion ?

[lusty igloo]

the one i mnetioneed in dms lol.... you use unwind, rewind, and frantic search to convert colorless mana to colored

you should end up with 10 extra colored mana to cast like 10 more spells

(assuming you dont just have a 0 mana rock to do it instead)

i think in general we have no way to beat someone who gained infintie life right?

we just lose since we mill out before they do?

@maiden widget POV

[maiden widget]

I called my yshtola deck group hug

Bc I love the other 3 people so much I don’t want game to end

Until I draw Teferi + kitten

[soft peak]

I think youre missing the hug part for it to be group hug

lol

@maiden widget I see you have [[Press the enemy]], how is it working for you?

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/65/press-the-enemy

Press the Enemy <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return target spell or nonland permanent an opponent controls to its owner's hand. You may cast an instant or sorcery spell with equal or lesser mana value from your hand without paying its mana cost.
"I showed the blade reforged to him. He is not so mighty yet that he is above fear."

[soft peak]

Ive been considering it for my deck for a bit

[maiden widget]

It’s ok I like it to get multiple triggered and removed stax piece temporarily and cast a draw spell or board wipe

My fav counter spell in the deck have to be [[counterpoin]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/41/counterpoint

Counterpoint <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Counter target spell. You may cast a creature, instant, sorcery, or planeswalker spell from your graveyard with mana value less than or equal to that spell's mana value without paying its mana cost.
"Nice theory, but I'm going to have to poke some holes in it."

[soft peak]

Yeah that one is sick

the cost is a little rough but

depending what you have in your graveyard can be crazy

I took it out for a bit but gonna put it back in tbh

I need to play this deck again

got too many I'm working on 😭

[maiden widget]

Win me so many game lol

[soft peak]

oh I guess for you in particular

you get your combo back

damn it lets you cast teferi as well

crazy\

[maiden widget]

Or recast some of the utility creature is nice too

[soft peak]

That was my main use case tbh

[maiden widget]

Kambal, lotho,

[soft peak]

utility creature or like frantic search

[maiden widget]

Recast a board wipe

[soft peak]

I need to add another wipe i think

i only got 2

[maiden widget]

I got too many

You got [[slaughter the strong]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/131/slaughter-the-strong

Slaughter the Strong <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Each player chooses any number of creatures they control with total power 4 or less, then sacrifices all other creatures they control.
"Cut the beasts out from under them and their strength is nothing." —Vona of Iedo, Butcher of Magan

[soft peak]

yah

best one

I run [[Yahenni's Expertise]] too

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/aer/75/yahennis-expertise

Yahenni's Expertise <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
All creatures get -3/-3 until end of turn.
You may cast a spell with mana value 3 or less from your hand without paying its mana cost.
"The Consulate pushed me to my limit, darling, and this is the result."

[soft peak]

for the free cast

[maiden widget]

Uhhh

[soft peak]

single combat work well?

I havent used that one yet

[maiden widget]

[[promise of loyalty]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/79/promise-of-loyalty

Promise of Loyalty <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Each player puts a vow counter on a creature they control and sacrifices the rest. Each of those creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control for as long as it has a vow counter on it.
"It's us against the world. Forever."

[soft peak]

promise > single combat you think?

[maiden widget]

I mean it’s fun to make voltron deck hate you

[soft peak]

ok im running it

very tired of captain america

:)

[maiden widget]

But single combat also fun

[soft peak]

hmm

do you run any wipes that hit artifacts/enchantments?

I dont have one of those

im thinking I should

[maiden widget]

farewell

[soft peak]

im good lol

[maiden widget]

Like boardwipe artifact enchainment ?

[compact vine]

Vanquish the Horde is always good as a cheap board wipe. Only creatures though.

[maiden widget]

If you just one remove one [[stroke of midnight]]

[surreal shoal]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/132/stroke-of-midnight

Stroke of Midnight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target nonland permanent. Its controller creates a 1/1 white Human creature token.
The assembled partygoers fell silent and stared. As the helmet came to a clattering stop, the only sound was Ash's distant footsteps.

[soft peak]

I have a few single target removal for enchantment