#Y'shtola Communal Brewing

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lusty igloo
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wat

mild harness
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im looking for "your life total cant change" effects

lusty igloo
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solitary is close neough

mild harness
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[[platinum emperion]] lol

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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I forgot his stupid name

mild harness
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[[bryson stout]]

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “bryson stout”

mild harness
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close enough

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fling on a stick dude?

maiden widget
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Ghrynson ?

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[[Ghyrson]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Legendary Creature — Tyranid Human
Ward mana2 (Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays mana2.)
Three Autostubs — Whenever another source you control deals exactly 1 damage to a permanent or player, Ghyrson Starn deals 2 damage to that permanent or player.
3/2

maiden widget
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Him lol

mild harness
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so uh

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[[painful quandry]] is a card

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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[[tainted remedy]] seems like a funny counter to drain

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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i have to think about paintful quandary

mild harness
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right

lusty igloo
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it's tempting. big target on ur back

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draws tho...

maiden widget
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Lmao

mild harness
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[[Lich]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Enchantment
As this enchantment enters, you lose life equal to your life total.
You don't lose the game for having 0 or less life.
If you would gain life, draw that many cards instead.
Whenever you're dealt damage, sacrifice that many nontoken permanents. If you can't, you lose the game.
When this enchantment is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you lose the game.

lusty igloo
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we dont have enough permanents

mild harness
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i know

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i just had to chuckle at the effect

lusty igloo
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i wonder if it goes in my aristocrats deck

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maybe not

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yeah nvm

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10 dmg = 10 permanents

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i cant sustain

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im thinking about dropping [[Victory Chimes]]

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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yeah fair

lusty igloo
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it actually puts in work tho

mild harness
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besides chromatic lantern, any other rocks im forgetting?

lusty igloo
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lowkey [[the tabernacle at pendrell vale]] would be rly gud for me and fish's deck

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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[[$mox amber]]

surreal shoalBOT
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lusty igloo
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yea...

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i think you have a ton of ramp tho

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last i checked

maiden widget
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I want to pick up [[fierce guardianship]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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lotho?

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you're not on lotho right

mild harness
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corrupt shirriff?

lusty igloo
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yeah

mild harness
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i dont have one, forgot it existed

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[[lotho, corrupt shirriff]]

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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smothering tithe would be sick here

lusty igloo
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yeah smothering is better than rhystic imo

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for b3 y'shtola

mild harness
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honestly

lusty igloo
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b4/b5 rhystic is broken obv

mild harness
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may tear apart gonti and bumbleflower to work more on yshtola

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gonti is because nobody likes mid theft

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and bumbleflower is starting to become not fun

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lusty igloo
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if you steal someones commander can you put it in your command zone

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Bc I’m poor lmao

mild harness
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no

lusty igloo
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i see

lusty igloo
mild harness
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[[notion thief]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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she procs yshtola, gets more stuff that procs yshtola with her ability

mild harness
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[[alms collector]]

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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lol

lusty igloo
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and doesnt die to your one sided board wipes

maiden widget
lusty igloo
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you have narset lol

mild harness
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"ill brainstorm"
"flash in alms collector, draw 1 and top 2"

lusty igloo
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and they're both cheap

maiden widget
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Let’s see

lusty igloo
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im just wondering why notion thief over narset

maiden widget
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Notion thief is hot I guess

mild harness
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[[narset, parter]]

surreal shoalBOT
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[[notion thief]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Look at him he’s hot

lusty igloo
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he looks hunchback

mild harness
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id run narset personally because 1 mana cheaper, mono colored meaning easier to cast, and is card selection

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only downside is more easy to remove

lusty igloo
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his head is sunk into his body

mild harness
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hear me out

lusty igloo
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ok that one's better art but he's less hot

mild harness
maiden widget
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I’ll play him til I get fierce guardian

lusty igloo
mild harness
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but like

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narset, fierce guardianship

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mild harness
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sorry, i was mainly just rambling about that

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i need to go to bed, i gotta help my roommate in the morning

lusty igloo
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gn!!

mild harness
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goodnight guys, thanks for the ideas

maiden widget
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If I have fund to spend on GC

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Prolly fiece guardianship, and the black tutors

compact vine
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I’d rather Inkshield

white mirage
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Anyone got any recommendations on what i should remove?

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I know i want to add some lifelink to her whether that be shadowspear and steel of the godhead or something else

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Reapers scythe just seams fun to play 🤣🤣

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Talent of telepath is something im considering since it can be inconsistent even tho it can also really pop tf off

mild harness
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I’d cut talent of telepath personally

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[[talent of telepath]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Sorcery
Target opponent reveals the top seven cards of their library. You may cast an instant or sorcery spell from among them without paying its mana cost. Then that player puts the rest into their graveyard.
Spell mastery — If there are two or more instant and/or sorcery cards in your graveyard, you may cast up to two instant and/or sorcery spells from among the revealed cards instead of one.

mild harness
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Yeah

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Also what do you guys think of punish effects like [[underworld dreams]]

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
fervent burrow
white mirage
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I think i mighta saw someone post it here before but i like [[Ankh of Mishra]]

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
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At least that way only one non creature cast triggers it

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Or [[sheoldred the apocalypse]]

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
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but that is expensive

mild harness
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I saw some cards that punish sacrificing/tapping artifacts

lusty igloo
# white mirage Anyone got any recommendations on what i should remove?

if ur playing bracket 4 you should cuation away from expensive cards like Season of Weaving which dont really do anything. probably need more cheap counterspells like force of will, force of negation, etc.

shadowspear seems troll in b4. i'd add a lot more tutors. consider the transmutes. thassa's oracle without demonic consultation and tainted pact is strange. bolas citadel probably wants sensei's top to combo off of it. idk how tryhard your bracket 4 pods are, but in mine cards like exsanguiate are just too casual

void grove
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Do you guys think it's sensible to run a lot of 3 mana rocks or stick with the more efficient 2 mana ones

lusty igloo
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a mix of both is fine

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dont run too many 3 mana rocks i think

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i just use decanter and victory chimes atm

wide quiver
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[[misleading signpost]] is good

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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yeah idk this decklist seems like it's a b3 posing as b4. i think you'll be blown away by early infinite combos and things like lifelink wont save you

void grove
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Can yshtola be reasonable bracket 3 though? I feel like it's such a removal magnet and so much of the deck revolves around her

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You need free counter spells to really protect her well

wide quiver
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There is plenty of protection that isn't free you can and should use

lusty igloo
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spellskite and boots are good too

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she only needs 1 turn vulnerable anyways

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and often frmo my games so far people arent considering her KOS yet

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i think that might change with time

wide quiver
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Kaya's ghostform, gift of immortality, blessing of leaches, etc

green vigil
white mirage
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Yeah it looks like it would work really well

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Any cards you play surprised you with how well they work? Or are performing a lot better than you initially expected?

wide quiver
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I shouldn't have been surprised, but Emet-Selch was insane

green vigil
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Sigil of sleep is probably the card that has done the most work with the least amount of expectation.

wide quiver
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Sigil of sleep seems soooo oppressive

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I'm not going to include it because of that lol

green vigil
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Also norns annex has been the best stax piece so far. Most people opt to take damage than use mana which in turn gives card draw.

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And delney is the real super hero. Double damage output , lifegain and card draw has been crazy

green vigil
wide quiver
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Yeah, it's [[hullbreaker horror]] but for one mana, and you bounce 3 things

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Permanents only, but it's very strong

willow steppe
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I’m just doing a draining route

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Like a punish tax yshota

willow steppe
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Speaking of which

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Does anyone have any suggestions of ways to like punish people for playing the game

spiral creek
compact vine
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Just noticed the precon doesn’t have Felwar Stone or Lightning Greaves

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Should those go in?

spiral creek
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i skipped greaves because i haver a number of auras for shtola and not always any other creatures in play. went for counter spells to protect instead

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but if you are not going the curiosity, etc route, greaves would be awesome

compact vine
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Swiftfoot instead of greaves?

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Hexproof instead of shroud

wide quiver
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Honestly, I prefer instant speed protection

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Which is why I like [[blessing of leeches]]

surreal shoalBOT
spiral creek
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yeah i need to put blessing in my deck

compact vine
spiral creek
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the more i play the deck, the less i want other creatures in it lol

wide quiver
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Yeah lol

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I'm down to like 10 creatures

spiral creek
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i got to sublime epiphany a Liliana ultimate last night... felt soo good

wide quiver
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That's truly sublime

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[[shark typhoon]] felt pretty good when I played it

surreal shoalBOT
spiral creek
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i always want that in my deck, and then never want to play 6-mana do nothing pass

wide quiver
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Yeah, we really want to hold up our mana

spiral creek
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i did end up losing that game last night to a 40 damage ziatora fling to the face though 🫠

white mirage
white mirage
spiral creek
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agree on Norn's

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also, [[Slaughter]] as a recurring threat of removal is awesome

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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I don’t even think triome is needed

pallid ocean
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It’s pretty oppressive as well as helm of the ghastlord

wide quiver
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It's really oppressive

pallid ocean
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Idk if yshtola can ever be considered a casual commander to bring to strangers

spiral creek
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yeah, my experience is that her play patterns are pretty groan inducing

pallid ocean
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While not vivi level, she does encourage some high power play patterns

spiral creek
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i played a meme game with 3 yshtolas an an ur dragon, and the non-shtola hated his life for that 75 minutes

wide quiver
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If they were playing ur-dragon, they deserved it tbh

spiral creek
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nah, they switched to ur dragon after we all decided to play ysh

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they attacked with exactly 1 dragon the whole game

pallid ocean
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Tbf, that’s a terrible matchup

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Yshtolas has so much targeted removal and the only player with creatures is ur

wide quiver
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A 4 player yshtola game would be a lot of fun

pallid ocean
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More fun than 4 vivi for sure

spiral creek
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in practice we just kept trading 2 life pings and helping each other draw our whole decks

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ill hit you with my ysh, so we can all draw etc etc

pallid ocean
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What people don’t realize until they build her is how many cheaty black targeted removal there is

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It’s actually more than the cheaty blue stuff

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Like double

lusty igloo
wide quiver
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Reminds me that I need dismember

lusty igloo
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the tabernacle at pendrell vale if you can afford 3K on a single toxic card

spiral creek
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the only time i resolved bloodchief it got removed asap

pallid ocean
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I need a lot of the non ff cards still

lusty igloo
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a 1 mana enchantment getting removed asap is surprising to me

pallid ocean
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I like lotho

lusty igloo
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ig it didnt come out turn 1

spiral creek
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staff of compleation is an easy way to always trigger yoru draw if you dont mind hurting yourself

pallid ocean
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It does a lot in theory

lusty igloo
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lotho just doeds a lot always

pallid ocean
lusty igloo
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i dont think it's worth it

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^

pallid ocean
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It does a very good job at being a suicide deck

spiral creek
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its a good one if you ever find yourself without spells to cast

wide quiver
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Can confirm

pallid ocean
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I’ve done the categories on my list

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A good quarter can shock me

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Or bolt

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Mdfcs are a thing

wide quiver
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bolt mdfcs are great here yeah'

lusty igloo
wide quiver
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The precon is pretty decent

pallid ocean
compact vine
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I do love XIV haha

lusty igloo
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oh lol

compact vine
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Thousands of hours in it

lusty igloo
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well first thing is to add some curiosity lines

pallid ocean
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The precon isn’t bad if you remove like the 20% that isn’t synergy

lusty igloo
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for some reason the precon couldnt be bothered to add a single curiosity effect

pallid ocean
spiral creek
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@pallid ocean i really wanted it to be a ff14 deck, but it just doesnt quite fit. i want to also build a scions deck with graha at the helm, and i think you could make that a lot more 14-coded

lusty igloo
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i disagree

willow steppe
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Guys

lusty igloo
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the precon is creatures based

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it doesnt even do that much in it

compact vine
pallid ocean
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Yshtola draws enough

pallid ocean
lusty igloo
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iirc precon had 20+ creatures and 8 instants lol

spiral creek
compact vine
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Niiiiiicr

wide quiver
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22 creatures with 3 of them being instant adventures isn't creature focused

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lmfao

pallid ocean
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It’s balanced around the 4 precons tgt

compact vine
lusty igloo
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ok but i have like 6 creatures in my deck so 22 is still creature focused to me

wide quiver
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Actual creature focused decks are 30+

pallid ocean
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Unfortunately some of the FF cards are doing completely different things

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The very small dragons/scry theme for one

lusty igloo
compact vine
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Okay legit though, why the dragons XD

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I get it; people love Heavensward

wide quiver
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Yeah the boardwipes are weird

compact vine
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Hraesvelgr and crux of fate didn’t need to be included

pallid ocean
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They did it for flavor

compact vine
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And Estinien shouldn’t be dragons matter. If anything, he should have deathtouch against dragons

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Sorry, ESTINIEEEEENNNNN* (he’s the Azure Dragoon)

pallid ocean
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Prob showing him post HW

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Where he at least learnt to co exist

wide quiver
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I was just reminded that [[realm-cloaked giant]] was in the bumbleflower precon lol

surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
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Yeahhhh, but it just makes him not fit in the deck at all this way

pallid ocean
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I like eye of nidhogg in the precon tho

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Triggers yshtola and flavorful

wide quiver
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Yeah, eye of nidhogg is neat

compact vine
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I still rock Eye, yeah

pallid ocean
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It’s not amazing but it’s good enough for the flavor cut

wide quiver
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A lot of the hero equipment is cool too

compact vine
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I use ninja blades and reaper’s scythe

wide quiver
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I also really like [[observed stasis]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Not dancer chakram?

compact vine
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Oh! I use that too, yes

pallid ocean
compact vine
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DNC chakram is probably the most fitting job select, comparable to what it does in game

pallid ocean
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It’s also a ton of life gain for the suicide deck

wide quiver
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I shut down my friend the other day from it, and drew 4 cards

lusty igloo
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would it go over amphibian downpour?

willow steppe
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Can someone look at my list and gimmie recs

wide quiver
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I run both

compact vine
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Part of me wants to play Venat, even though she’s not suuuuper great for us

pallid ocean
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Different imo

lusty igloo
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post it

pallid ocean
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Amphibian doesn’t shut down commanders as much

wide quiver
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Stasis gets better if you run [[blind obedience]] along with consuls

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Since the frogs can block

lusty igloo
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oh

wide quiver
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It's just a removal

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effectively

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Stasis is more like [[imprisoned in the moon]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Stasis is slightly closer to an oubliette

lusty igloo
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with a lot of potential draw

pallid ocean
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But costing more mana

wide quiver
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Instant speed though

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which is huge

pallid ocean
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The competition imo is [[darksteel mutation]]

wide quiver
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You only need to oubliette the thing that's attacking you

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Yeah, but that doesn't trigger ysh, and isn't an instant

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It is probably the best effect though?

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Oubliette is good though

pallid ocean
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It's the og

lusty igloo
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that looks so toxic lol

pallid ocean
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I tend to compare the the best version since that's the usual competition for the slot

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[[kenriths transformation]]

lusty igloo
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im going to buy observed stasis and see how it performs

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Theres the other green one that's the bis, song of the dryads I believe

wide quiver
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I liked it in my game alpha

pallid ocean
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It's very good if your pods has creature heavy decks

wide quiver
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I think it gains a lot of power being instant too

willow steppe
lusty igloo
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should i remove stock up for it? it's a draw spell i guess

pallid ocean
lusty igloo
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are you guys running stock up

willow steppe
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Imma try to proc yshtola thru just burn

pallid ocean
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My more flavor focused list

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I've been debating whether to tone down the power slightly for more flavor tho

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I want to fit dark confidant in there

wide quiver
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[[dig through time]] is like stock up, but instant and not like $12

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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It's also in the precon iirc

lusty igloo
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sorcery does suck

pallid ocean
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Or was it treasure cruise

wide quiver
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Indeed it is in the precon

pallid ocean
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I always mix the 2 up

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Honestly the precon has decent skeleton for the yshtola deck

wide quiver
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It is

pallid ocean
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It's just not suited for b4

spiral creek
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while not exactly powerful, i resolved [[Whip of Erebos]] last night, and gaining 8 life with each spell case was pretty sweet

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Not having "the best" suite of cards does not a bad precon make

pallid ocean
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I think people playing more casually should take advantage of the precon more

wide quiver
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Oh yeah, I didn't consider whip because it's not a creature deck

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But it's a pretty good static lifelink effect

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I think I'd still run chakrams over it

pallid ocean
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I run dancer chakram and glasswing grace as my current lifegain options

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Mostly because I don't want to become a lifegain deck

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Tempted to run [[exquisite blood]] since I have 2 copies iirc but it does have bad connotations to 2 card infinites

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Yeah if you just play that standalone, I'm getting the rest of the table to kill you lol

spiral creek
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i mean this deck + exquisite/sanguine would be so easy to pull off

pallid ocean
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Yep

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All the classic 2 card lifegain infinites are very easy to include

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But they are very boring and unfun to play with and against

spiral creek
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yup

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havent even really considrerd adding them for that reason

pallid ocean
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I did have Vito in my og list but I just cut him

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[[no mercy]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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That's a pricy card but very strong pillowfort

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Same with dissipation field

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I just run propaganda and ghostly prison tho, since those aren't as unfun

spiral creek
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its not the strongest combo, but i had [[Queza, Auger of Agonies]] laying around and put them in, if you get curiosity on ysh, it just mega drains. got one kill with it

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “Queza, Auger of Agony”

wide quiver
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[[queza augur of agonies]]

surreal shoalBOT
spiral creek
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lol thanks. won the game with an into the story cast

pallid ocean
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Huh nice creature types

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There is also a 3 card infinite if you play bolas citadel, papalymo and sensei's top, heard from alpha iirc

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It also works for wizard tokens if you get lifegain on them

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But it's nice it doesn't infinite with yshtola since that's basically a 2 card combo then

lusty igloo
# willow steppe https://archidekt.com/decks/14003174/yshtola_the_true_endwalker_experience_encha...

Bloodletter of Aclazotz fraudulent i think. if you're playing lots of instants and holding onto mana for interaction, lots of your damage comes from enemy turns

Creeping Bloodsucker idk about. it not doing 2 dmg is pretty suspect. i think Sygg, River Cutthroat is better for 2 drop

I'm not sure how I feel about the life-gain life-loss stuff. you might find yourself getting targeted with things like [[Wound Reflection]] and [[Court of Ambition]] on the field. and they're kind of pricy in mana cost. Imo I'd cut a little bit on the weaker enchantments to more y'shtola core cards. things like free cmc 3+ spells (the 3 free commander spells for example like deadly rollick, Frantic Search, force of negation, etc).

i think you need more protection. you almost have no protection for your y'shtola. and she's going to be the target of lots of removal. at least consider swiftfoot boots and spellskite. im not sure why we picked cleaver concealment of all cards - the problem with it is that while you're phased out you don't get any y'shtola procs

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
lusty igloo
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it doesnt kill with sheoldred it just makes you live long enough to find clones/delneys/etc

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then that'll kill eventually

willow steppe
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But I found I had no wincons I. Enchantress

pallid ocean
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Phasing out is better if you run a ton of auras/tokens

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Since they don't fall off unlike bouncing

willow steppe
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Back to the cook I go

lusty igloo
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idk

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it is free ig

pallid ocean
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17 creatures isn't too bad for it imo

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That said, I like phase out in my pods since there's quite a lot of exile based removal

lusty igloo
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do you think there are too many cards in the drain section

pallid ocean
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Looks like it's more of a lifegain list

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With the 2 card infinites

lusty igloo
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i cant tell how a deck plays unles si goldfish it 10 times lol

pallid ocean
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My pod has a few lifegain lists so im familiar with the staples

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I will say that's there's very little protection for an yshtola deck tho

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It's alot more removal

lusty igloo
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is not running a single basic a bad idea

pallid ocean
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Yes

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Very bad

lusty igloo
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even with no fetches?

pallid ocean
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Easiest example [[path of exile]]

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “path of exile”

lusty igloo
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true

pallid ocean
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To*

lusty igloo
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@willow steppe id probably run some basics

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starting town seems fraudulent here

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we're not a turbo cedh deck

pallid ocean
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You would run 1 of each minimum

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It's a city of brass

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It's fine

lusty igloo
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and it enters tapped most of gmae

pallid ocean
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That cards price is absurd

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Ik cause I had to get one for my wandering minstrel...

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Don't even think the surveil lands are all that amazing in yshtola

lusty igloo
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a lot of mid-range cedh discords are musing about not running starting town. i dont think we should run it the chances it's a tapped land is rly high

pallid ocean
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Other than being a fetchable

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Its basically a painland

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Huge fan of [[horizon of progress]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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oh wtf they're on fetches

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well if budget isnt a concern then i'd run more than the 3 you currently have

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wtf

pallid ocean
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Their list looks budgetless

lusty igloo
#

starting town 11 deck

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dolalrs

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well they dont have og duals

pallid ocean
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It's way above that

lusty igloo
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so it's not budgetless

pallid ocean
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For starting town

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It was $20 min

lusty igloo
pallid ocean
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FF prices are fked

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I use CK prices since all our trades here based on CK 0.9-1 usually

lusty igloo
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i'm not spending 1k on 2 cards

compact vine
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I THOUGHT I pulled three starting town: turns out I only pulled one

compact vine
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So it’s going in Y’shtola

pallid ocean
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Price is so fked, I wouldn't touch with a 100 feet pole

lusty igloo
compact vine
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Wandering Minstrel’s gonna have to go without >_>

pallid ocean
compact vine
pallid ocean
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Yshtola doesn't need it

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I mean it's nice

lusty igloo
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only untapped turn 1-3.... 80% of the game is afterwards

pallid ocean
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Whether it's mandatory, I disagree

compact vine
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I do have 2/3 battle bonds for her at least

lusty igloo
#

i've never once had issues with colors in my lands

compact vine
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No Raffine’s Tower yet

pallid ocean
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I'm glad that the shocks I need are being reprinted in EOE

lusty igloo
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i like it flavor-wise

pallid ocean
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Only have hallowed fountain rn

pallid ocean
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It's very slow

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I rather a basic

compact vine
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I’m still mad we didn’t get Sea of Clouds in the precon. It’s a PLACE IN XIV

compact vine
compact vine
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I’m pretty new at this. Only deck I’ve built is Nahiri. And Chatterfang, but that was a precon that needed very few upgrades

pallid ocean
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I wish that lousoix sacrifice was a teferi protection reprint

compact vine
pallid ocean
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It's very on theme both flavor and mechanic wise imo

pallid ocean
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The joke is also that imprisoned in the moon should've been there

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But it's technically a spoiler....

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There's even 2 beings in moons

compact vine
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I mean Papalymo’s effect and Lyse even existing as a card are spoilers

lusty igloo
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ive never fetched for it ever

compact vine
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I don’t own fetch lands

pallid ocean
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Im probably running only 1 surveil land and it's cause I own one

lusty igloo
#

y not the surveils?

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i like those tho

pallid ocean
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It's also very slow

compact vine
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What’s an example of a surveillance land?

lusty igloo
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you dont have to fetch for them if you need the mana

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[[shadowy backstreet]

pallid ocean
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[[shadowy backstreet]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Heh

compact vine
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Ohhhhh

pallid ocean
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I think you only run 2 at most

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Since you only fetch them once in a while

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I like that it's an option but they aren't worth the cost or do I think they substantially improve the deck

lusty igloo
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im not on pains

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pains are better than pathways right

pallid ocean
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For yshtola pains are good yea

lusty igloo
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im not sure why im on pathways over pains

pallid ocean
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Both budgetwise and as a source of 4 dmg

lusty igloo
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oh well i dont have mana problems so whatever

pallid ocean
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I also like the reflecting pools

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As options if you really need fixing

compact vine
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I don’t know if I like trading 4 life for one draw though. And it only gets you that draw if you haven’t already dealt 4 damage to someone else

compact vine
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Then again, I’m also playing Y’shtola Rhul, so my advice isn’t great haha

pallid ocean
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There aren't a ton of consistent self dmg tbh

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It's mostly the signets and various painlands

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The rest tend to be shocks, bolts from MDFCs and phyrexian mana etc

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Also worth noting if you run emet/krikk

compact vine
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Fair

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I like Y’shtola Rhul. But I also run Torrential Gearhulk and Fandaniel, and might throw Quistis in

willow steppe
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Isn’t pain landa really good in yshtola

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Like

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Free procs

willow steppe
#

Yall

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Should I just do spellslinger infect

mild harness
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Grafting exoskeleton/phyresis?

lusty igloo
lusty igloo
white mirage
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Dont really know those cards

willow steppe
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I’m in Esper

lusty igloo
# willow steppe I mean I can run tutors

it's phyresis, Glistening Oil ? and wat

just going to have to build the deck to be able to kill in 1-2 turns once the infect goes on. since putting that phyresis on her you have all 3 people's attnetion on you and your y'shtola. or a lot of pillowfort/defense. need a lot more protection too

AE_confused idk if the deck would work unless i see it built and playtest it

void grove
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[[Sicily of sleep]]

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “Sicily of sleep”

lusty igloo
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sigil

void grove
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Autocorrect

lusty igloo
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lol

void grove
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[[digit of sleep]]

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “digit of sleep”

void grove
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Oh fuck off

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Sigil is a real word

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[[sigil of sleep]]

surreal shoalBOT
void grove
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Oh gross lmao

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There's one which returns lands too

willow steppe
#

Vraska down fall

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Prologue to phyresis

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Flux channeler

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Tezzeret gambit

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Phyresis outbreak

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Grafted exoskeleton

lusty igloo
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hmmm it looks possible

white mirage
#

[[vraska down fall]]

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “vraska down fall”

lusty igloo
#

have to definitely build more control playstyle with infect. be rdy to be archenemy

willow steppe
lusty igloo
#

y'shtola can win 1v3 as archenemy for some reason. some of my stronger decks cant

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is it?

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y? not enough tutors?

willow steppe
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Thoughts?

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Just a quick list

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I need to find

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More frantic search affects

wide quiver
#

I don't think flux channeler to proliferate poison is worth

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[[unwind]] and [[rewind]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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and [[snap]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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If you meant spells that refund

willow steppe
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To storm thru my deck

spiral creek
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there is a teferi loop, i know that

willow steppe
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I just want

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ISO rev

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And we just win thru rad storm

lusty igloo
#

snap i mean

wide quiver
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Yeah, but it's a card similar to frantic search

lusty igloo
#

@willow steppe papa is a famous holder for curiosity + phyresis that does it better than y'shtola. so probably should be on him

can consider alternate wincons. what's the 2 mana artifact that combos with bloodchief. and mayhbe bolas citadel + top + sheoldred/papa also wins

i think a little too much ramp. from a few goldfishing at least i feel like it's a bit much. i also think mox amber should be in.

we're missing the white free commander spell. i'm also a shill for waterlogged teachings... can use as a counterspell (fierce guardianship), an ophidian eye, removal (deadly rollick), etc. counts as 2 for ur storm if tutoring free card.

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i think you still need to fix your mana base

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just too many times the lands are forced to be tapped

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Arcane Sanctum has to go. add at least 3 more fetches

white mirage
#

[[The cruelty of Gix]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Enchantment — Saga
Read ahead (Choose a chapter and start with that many lore counters. Add one after your draw step. Skipped chapters don't trigger. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Target opponent reveals their hand. You choose a creature or planeswalker card from it. That player discards that card.
II — Search your library for a card, put that card into your hand, then shuffle. You lose 3 life.
III — Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.

willow steppe
white mirage
#

Do yall think this is worth it for an extra tutor?

soft peak
#

[[Yahenni's Expertise]] interesting sweeper I just came across

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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just get a tutor lol

wide quiver
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Huh, that is interesting

lusty igloo
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I is pointless in multiplayer format. III is niche in y'shtola.

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just grim tutor

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and idyllic

white mirage
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Already have both of those

lusty igloo
#

and transmutes

white mirage
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Just wondering if it was worth it with other cards lowering the colorless cost for non creature spells since it acts like a tutor and could let me play a creature from another plays graveyard

white mirage
willow steppe
#

I feel like I have so many rocks

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Ugghhh

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Can’t storm off

lusty igloo
#

id also run this maybe? to tutor for your infect cards

willow steppe
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I guess

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I can just do wheels

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And just always tutor for smothering tide

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And just wheel everyone

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Until I hit my wincon

lusty igloo
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Baral over Lyse

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what's the idea behind omniscience and show/tell

willow steppe
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It’s something I thought

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Might be good

lusty igloo
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im not even sure omniscience wins the game spot on does it?

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my problem is that both omniscience and show/tell are dead cards in your hand without the other two

willow steppe
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I took it out

lusty igloo
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i like bolas citadel / top more since they're both useful on their own and do win the game on spot

willow steppe
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It doesn’t let me draw more cards

lusty igloo
#

also are we against mindcrank + BCA since we fear graveyard and breach decks?

willow steppe
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I mean I’m wheeling people alr

lusty igloo
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mindcrank and blood chief ascension is pretty low mana for a killing combo i think. maybe consider

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since we already have BCA

willow steppe
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I’ll put it in

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Maybe rituals or no

lusty igloo
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i dont think so

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mindcrank is dead in hand tho

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AMshrug well i guess thoracle is dead in hand too without the other half

willow steppe
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Bolas is fine

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But

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Too high cmc

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:/

lusty igloo
#

u have Echo of Eons tho

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probably add the 3rd best curiosity? the 4 mana discard one. it's a stretch but i feel like we're missing draws and free spells

rewind + Flawless Maneuver maybe

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what is Turnabout for

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once you fix your manabase you can probably play reliquary tower

willow steppe
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It’s more ways to untap

lusty igloo
#

oop

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i only read first half

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imo we are on too many cmc 3+ cards for isochron scepter

willow steppe
lusty igloo
#

wat

willow steppe
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The 3cmc

lusty igloo
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no i mean isochron scepter should leave

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it's going to be dead card often

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we dont have many 1-2 mana instants

willow steppe
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Maybe

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Semblance anvil

lusty igloo
#

i wrote a lot of hate about him earlier since i think clones are better than him usually, but maybe go back to roaming throne?

willow steppe
#

I feel like it’s so niche

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Like Delaney does his job

lusty igloo
#

if it was 3 mana id add

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4 infect for 1 spell is nothing to sneeze at

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and 2 draw

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but for bracket 4 i think we have to drop

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swiftfoot boots?

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does the deck support yawg's will?

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im also kind of suspect of tainted strike in b4. are we relying on enemies and using it on their attacks?

willow steppe
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All the wheels discard

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Besides exhoes

willow steppe
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It’s like an instance of giving something infect like glis oil

lusty igloo
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yeah but still like it'd only kill if they're already at high infect, and that would mean they'd already have phyresis effect on them

willow steppe
lusty igloo
#

should we be on sevinne's for in case she dies with the phyresis

lusty igloo
#

idk test it

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im newer so i cant judge a deck without testing for hours

willow steppe
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It only brings back 3cmc

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Yshtola is 4

lusty igloo
#

i mean bringing back the phyresis

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she does nothing without the infect enchantments

willow steppe
#

I mean yawg will does that

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Sevinne is nice

lusty igloo
#

for 5

willow steppe
#

The question now is

lusty igloo
#

ok

willow steppe
#

It’s prob seven e

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To fish yawg back

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If I discard it

maiden widget
#

Extended non foil yshtola best budget of her

lusty igloo
#

nice

willow steppe
#

See if you win by like

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T4

lusty igloo
#

ok

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T4 stretch but can get early wins

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it's not supposed to be turbo so that';s fine

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if you ahve neither, you tutor curiosity first before phyresis right?

willow steppe
#

Honestly

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If im tutoring

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It’s always for rhystic

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Like a turn 2 rhystic will win me the game

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If it sticks

lusty igloo
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yeah true

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i think it's getting banned next year

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is teferi's protection too slow

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y'shtola proc + 1 more turn to do our damage? not sure

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im done btw ive been in this channelf or like 10 hours straight

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adderrall not put to good use today

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glgl and since we're venturing into high power, the esper discord is rly good at giving b4 and b5 suggestions. i go to them for help

maiden widget
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Nah I tutor for smothering

lusty igloo
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not in b4+

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rhystic is too game-warping in high power

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i stand by smothering better in b3 tho

willow steppe
willow steppe
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The card is like iconic

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Also doesn’t stop people from playing the game

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It just draws u advantage and force people to run interaction

lusty igloo
willow steppe
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Oh it’s

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Like the best card in cedh

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But that’s cuz they banned dockside

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And jeweled lotus

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So the game shifted to be more midrange

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And rhystic just wins games cuz it’s just back to slower meta

lusty igloo
#

they say jlo is coming back

willow steppe
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Eh

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Up to wizard

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I think it prob is too

lusty igloo
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btw not a fan of the gifts ungiven idea? @willow steppe i thought i was cooking

green vigil
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If you run bloodchief ascension I highly recommend mindcrank for a wincon

maiden widget
#

[[simon, wild]] meme

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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the cedh people are 30/70 on it

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but i think it gud in b4 Neko_Thumbs_Up_Cynthia

green vigil
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Also I can send both my deckslist later. I have 1 deck where im testing cards abd will adjust it to be lower bracket then I have a cedh version of yshtola

maiden widget
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I have so many infinite I can do in the deck but I keep it mid b3 friendly

white mirage
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Ye i cut out my gamechangers to take it to b3

maiden widget
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Nah I keep GC for b3

white mirage
#

Well i have 3

maiden widget
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They can deal with smothering tithe

white mirage
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But got rid of my other ones

lusty igloo
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SORRY Im done after this one

green vigil
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I've actually taken out helm of the ghastlord in my cedh version

lusty igloo
#

it's still gud in b4 right?

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or considerable

white mirage
green vigil
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It can be. Curiosity is straight the best version of the card and eye with flash allows for way more versatility

lusty igloo
#

ya

white mirage
#

Ive made some adjustments to it

lusty igloo
#

it the 3rd obv

white mirage
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Was b4

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But i got rid of bloodthirsty conquerer cause i feel people would target me for fear of combos

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So added some things to try and give life link as well as senseis diving top for bolas

lusty igloo
#

bro has tinker

white mirage
#

Lmao forgot that got put in there

lusty igloo
#

i honestly like no mercy lol. i didnt consider that card

lusty igloo
#

leyline over high fae rite? potentially it for free

willow steppe
#

I just had trouble putting in room

willow steppe
#

If u like that effect

lusty igloo
#

[[dissipation field]]

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
lusty igloo
#

what is the point labratory maniac lol

green vigil
lusty igloo
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im a lifegain hater personally i think you save more life by one-side board wiping than playing cards like sanguine bond

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exquisite blood sorry

green vigil
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Here's my cedh version. I have to add my casual tester to archidekt then I can send it

lusty igloo
#

you should play sensei's divine top to infinite with bolas citadel. you need sheoldred / clones / delneys / papa to finish it though. it's a tricky combo without aetherflux reservoir

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@white mirage also is 32 lands fine for you?

white mirage
lusty igloo
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bruh 99% dead card with no combo half

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that gotta go

green vigil
#

^

white mirage
#

write that down write that down

lusty igloo
#

lotho synergize with us pretty well

white mirage
#

But i havent been playing that long

lusty igloo
#

oh u not on papa. he's ok in b3. a considerable option. b4/b5 love him tho. but he simplifies the bolas combo and is a slightly better curiosity target for b3, much better for b4/5

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im trialing him right now idk if i wanna keep

white mirage
#

Could you explain how the combo works since in still newer?

lusty igloo
#

ok

white mirage
#

Thank you

lusty igloo
#

have bolas + top on battlefield

(you should also at the very minimum have y'shtola if you wanna end the game that turn. if not you can just draw a dozen cards)

look at your top of library. if it's something good (like y'shtola procs, BUT ESPECIALLY if it's clones or trigger doubles or sheoldred or papa), cast it with bolas and pay the life. if not good put top on top of your library and draw the card. pay 1 to put top back on battlefield with bolas. repeat

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clones/trigger doublers make it so you gain more life than you're losing in the process and you can keep going until you kill them. spotty sometimes, not guranteed. but it's fun

sheoldred makes it so drawing the top gains you 1 life instead of loses you 1 life. im pretty sure it's a guranteed kill

papa makes it so that you can keep casting top over and over and over. pay 1 life and gain it back from papa. they take 1 life each time. guranteed kill

green vigil
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What's papa?

soft peak
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papalymo totolymo

green vigil
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Ahhhh yes nvm lol

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I thought it was a nickname and was like umm what 😂

lusty igloo
#

he's popular in b4/b5 as a better curiosity holder than yshtola

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i dont like him

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because my 3 cmc cards do 3 dmg now and still dont proc my draw lol

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but i think high power has mroe 1 mana cards and stuff

green vigil
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I run him in Betor as well

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Nice lil control creature that can drain

lusty igloo
#

there's also aetherflux reservoir and im pretty sure that thing is a fraud

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dead card outside combo i dont like it

green vigil
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Its great in my oloro creature deck.

lusty igloo
#

oh yeah i mean here at least

green vigil
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Yeah im not too much of a fan of it here. I down graded mine from my cedh deck to my casual version

white mirage
green vigil
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I run thassa combo and mindcrank in my cedh version. This is too clunky

white mirage
#

Tis neat

lusty igloo
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yeah it's fun

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probably not for ur opponents as u sit there and think about it

green vigil
lusty igloo
#

but it's fun having a combo that you have to think about and be careful with life instead of idk. i have these two cards so u r dead

maiden widget
white mirage
lusty igloo
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lol true

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i havent played it since one guy at my lgs said "i ruined the fun" lol

maiden widget
#

6 boardwipe is enough I think

lusty igloo
#

he was joking but it got to me :c

white mirage
maiden widget
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and one day ill cut Vito+enduring

lusty igloo
#

i rly should consider relic of legends

maiden widget
#

in*

soft peak
#

yall think [[Staff of Compleation]] is worth running?

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
#

is it better than vicotry chimes?

soft peak
#

wonder what I should replace it with

green vigil
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Its a solid casual card. Can proc yshtola by itself

soft peak
#

maybe that signpost mana rock lol

maiden widget
white mirage
maiden widget
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[[relic of legend]]

surreal shoalBOT
green vigil
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Since yshtola doesnt care about who takes damage

lusty igloo
#

also im the only person ik running [[Kaito, Bane of Nightmares]] he's slept on

surreal shoalBOT
#

Legendary Planeswalker — Kaito
Ninjutsu mana1manaumanab (mana1manaumanab, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
During your turn, as long as Kaito has one or more loyalty counters on him, he's a 3/4 Ninja creature and has hexproof.
+1: You get an emblem with "Ninjas you control get +1/+1."
0: Surveil 2. Then draw a card for each opponent who lost life this turn.
−2: Tap target creature. Put two stun counters on it.
Loyalty: 4

soft peak
#

I think not enough lifegain in my deck to support it

lusty igloo
#

the life adds up reaaaly quick

green vigil
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Yeah thats why I said casual card. Its better than the useless cards in the deck but once you've taken those out, that should.be next up

white mirage
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
#

by quick i mean im playing b2/3 games and that thing has no trouble doing 12+ damage to me in a game if it's out early

maiden widget
#

I really consider something to give yshtola Lifelink lol

green vigil
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Theres alot!

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The job select card in the precon is solid

maiden widget
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I need a good one lol

green vigil
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Makes yshtola 4/6 with lifelink

lusty igloo
#

is there any that's worth it tho.... i had one and the esper discord said it was trash

white mirage
#

[[caduceus, staff of hermes]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
#

yeah caduceus

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that's the one i had

maiden widget
soft peak
#

its only 2 mana but I love [[spirit loop]]

surreal shoalBOT
green vigil
#

For a cheap option you can also run [[basilisk collar]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
#

[[dancer’s chakram]]

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
#

I thought about [[heliod, sun-crowned]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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At least it’s a 3/3 body that can block for you ig

white mirage
#

Could trigger yshtola if he isnt a creature

green vigil
#

There's also [[steel of the godhead]]

surreal shoalBOT
green vigil
#

Lifelink and unblockable

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So you can double up on life gains and potentially make her a commander damage lethal target

maiden widget
#

I think I might just run the chakram

white mirage
#

Or both on her, i just like clones

white mirage
maiden widget
#

[[dancer’s chakram]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
#

Make yshtola 4/6

white mirage
#

Would that give clones of ysholta lifelink as well?

#

Or is that not how that works

maiden widget
#

No

#

Just your commander I think

white mirage
#

I see so it would work with partner commanders

green vigil
#

Correct just your commander

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Clones of your commander aren't your commander.

white mirage
#

Damn thats 7 mana to play and equip 😭😭

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Ohhh i see

#

It comes already on the 1/1

#

Thats actually really cool

green vigil
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Yeah its a solid card. If your purely looking for lifegain basilisk collar is better

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Once that 1/1 is gone you now have to pay 3 to equip. Where basilisk will always be 1 to drop 2 to equip

maiden widget
#

Well I like the idea of having an extra body lol

green vigil
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Im not saying its bad. I just meant the recurring part of needing to equip may outway the body. But the deck comes with chakram

white mirage
#

I have [[shadowspear]] just to help deal with indestructible if i want to remove something

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
#

Plus the hexproof and lifelink obviously

green vigil
#

Shadowspear is byfar the best lifelink card. Lol issue for alot of people is its pretty pricey

white mirage
#

Yeah like 40-50 buckaroos

#

Not cheap

green vigil
#

Keeps increasing

white mirage
#

My favorite card for no real reason is [[avacyn, angel of hope]]

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
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Just expensive and isnt really needed. I just love the card

lusty igloo
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i mean she's cool af

maiden widget
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My fav response to other boardwipe

lusty igloo
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can u report back if lifelink actually does anything. im not convinced but i dont have any slots to try it

maiden widget
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[[your temple is under attack]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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i feel like the life u save from boardwiping is better than the life you gain from lifelink

maiden widget
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I think one game I have like 70 life

lusty igloo
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i have an unused shadowspear in my binder rn so

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if it slaps ill try it

maiden widget
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Lol I’m saving my fun fund to invest in fierce guardianship next

white mirage
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Deleny with basilisk collar seems really good

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Gain 12 life each cast

lusty igloo
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wat

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oh

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on yshtola

white mirage
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Yeah

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Basilisk collar on yshtola 😂

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That way she stays 2 power

green vigil
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Delney is absolutely bonkers here

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Should I bought a bunch when they were 12

lusty igloo
white mirage
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👁️👁️

green vigil
maiden widget
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[[whip of erebos]] if you really want to make it funny

surreal shoalBOT
green vigil
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12 from the 6 damage dealt then 4 from her own lifegain

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Oh nvm you said just basilisk

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😂

maiden widget
green vigil
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Super good trade imo. Delney is just super versatile in so many dexks

maiden widget
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The trade was super good

white mirage
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Honestly i wonder if that is playable, would be very uneeded but yshtola with lifelink and the bolas citadel, diving top combo, and aetherflux

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Prolly not smart

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But still sounds fun 😂

maiden widget
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It’s Sephiroth for Delney and a bunch of 1-5 dollar cards

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He was desperate

white mirage
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[[inquisitor’s flail]]

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
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Hm combat damage

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Couldnt remember what it was

willow steppe
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Mannnn

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All I wanted to do was make yshtola drain

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And somehow I made infect yshtola

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I just wanna punish people for existing

white mirage
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You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

willow steppe
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I play Az the villian

maiden widget
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Infect yshtola is bad bc people will just answer you like right the way

vital steppe
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any finisher suggestions besides exsanguinate/fandaniel/...

my deck is pretty good at controlling, but had to call out two games yesterday cuz people had to leave/store was about to close and i couldn't finish them.

maiden widget
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I don’t have a good finisher i just sit back and relax til I cast enough random spell to drain the table

marsh solar
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I know a lot of people were talking about Revenge of Ravens, I just finished this proxy moments ago. If anyone would like to use it feel free and enjoy

white mirage
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[[Rite of Replication]]

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
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How do you all feel about this as a copy spell?

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Around same cmc as others but gives you the option to create 5

maiden widget
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Depend what you want to copy ?

white mirage
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Commander

maiden widget
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You can’t

compact vine
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Legendary clause

white mirage
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Ahhhh i see

compact vine
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HOWEVER

white mirage
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Shit fuck it sheoldred

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🤣

maiden widget
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You can only if you copy her non-legendary token

compact vine
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Quantum Misalignment and Vile Duplication

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Or Sakashima

white mirage
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Those change the name right

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So it allows you too

maiden widget
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Made by [[vile duplication]] [[quantum misalignment]]

surreal shoalBOT
white mirage
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I see

maiden widget
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But when you have them token

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You cast [[rite of replication]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Now you have a lot of cat girl

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👍

white mirage
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Ohhhhh

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I see the genius

compact vine
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I’m honestly cool with just running Sakashima

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I have his secret lair and needed something to put him in

maiden widget
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Eh too expensive and sakashima is a creature

white mirage
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Is there something better about him than other clones?

compact vine
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Nope

white mirage
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Just some spice for you

maiden widget
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Sakashima is the 4th best clone for yshtola

white mirage
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Respectable

maiden widget
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IMO
Quantum
Vile Duplication
Spark Double
Sakashima

white mirage
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[[spark double]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Even [[gogo, master]] is funnier

lusty igloo
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sakashima the impostor is better than spark double and partner sakashima since you can choose enemy creatures

surreal shoalBOT
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Legendary Creature — Wizard
manaxmanax, manat: Copy target activated or triggered ability you control X times. You may choose new targets for the copies. This ability can't be copied and X can't be 0. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
"I see... so, you seek to save the world. Then I guess that means I shall save the world as well. Lead on! I will copy your every move."
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