#Y'shtola Communal Brewing

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surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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What are the black and white versions? vigilance and deathtouch?

marsh solar
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maybe? I don't recall

wide quiver
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Anger is basically the only one I see lol

marsh solar
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hah, same

wide quiver
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[[valor]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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[[filth]]

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
wide quiver
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both seem good tbh

marsh solar
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XD

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lmao

wide quiver
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jesus

marsh solar
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I'm optimizing in edhrec. I'll downsize from there to get it more reasonable

wide quiver
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I don't know if i'd called edhrec cards optimized

marsh solar
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sorry, I meant archidekt

wide quiver
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Ohh you mean the bracket is auto assigns

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Yeah I ignore those

marsh solar
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edhrec hasn't been very helpful, since it's only giving me the options that all other decks use, or the Y'shtola precon

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but I do use it to look for cards similar to others

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in that way it's useful

wide quiver
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Yeah, it's helpful for some recs

marsh solar
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without it I wouldn't have found [[creeping chill]] 4 cost for 8 damage with Y'shtola out...

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Hmmm, not a huge fan

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For a card that just touches life totals at sorcery speed, I'd want a lot more

marsh solar
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Oh, I have these too... [[exanguinate]],[[drain life]], [[bond of agony]]... etc

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Oooh, I really like bond of agony lmfao

marsh solar
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right?!

wide quiver
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Although it's a lot of mana if you want something useful actually

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nvm then tbh

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Because it's x mana and x life

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My deck just has the drain and burn as a side effect of casting spells, and not the primary driver

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So I don't think I'd consider any of those

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That's what makes flexible commanders neat though

marsh solar
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I think bond is superior to all of them, since you can pay in a lot more life than others with how much you gain throughout the game

wide quiver
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Yeah but it's also x mana

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How much mana are you going to have?

marsh solar
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oh

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yea, now I see your point

wide quiver
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At most it's going to be like 8 damage to everyone

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And that's your whole turn

marsh solar
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true

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I might need to reconfig

maiden widget
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If there any lifelink stuff I consider

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It’s [[dancer’s chakram]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I should put [[caduceus]] in

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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But…but I want a body that I can block stuff

wide quiver
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That's also good, yeah

maiden widget
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What card good into voltron match up ?

fervent burrow
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Bond of Agony is just a fairer version of [[hailfire torment]] yeah?

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
wide quiver
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Yeah any edict

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[[soul shatter]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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instant speed destroy the best thing?

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YES PLS

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Well, most of the time the best thing. voltron usually just has a singular thing

maiden widget
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I might put path of Exile in ngl

wide quiver
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Path is fine

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I don't really like creature only removal

maiden widget
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Yeah I need some cheaper spell

wide quiver
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[[reaper's scythe]] seems interesting

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I'm leaving it in to see how it feels

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a blocker that keeps growing, and all the sudden your commander is a voltron threat??

marsh solar
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extort might be a great mechanic for Y'shtola also [[blind obedience]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Yep!

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I'm taking it out of my spongebob deck

marsh solar
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so for multiple instances of extort... do you only have to pay once, or pay for each one you want to trigger?

wide quiver
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For each

marsh solar
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ah

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wow... [[crypt incursion]] might be a great choice for graveyard hate...

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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only creatures, but that could be great against some decks

wide quiver
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[[magicite]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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is cool too

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GY hate and a [[machine god's effigy]]

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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yea, that one's perfect

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and isn't a critter

wide quiver
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I finally found the card I was looking for. It's a huge meme, but [[murderous spoils]] is a funny tech for equipment voltrons lol

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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lol

wide quiver
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You die, thanks for all your stuff

wide quiver
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I caved and got an ophidian eye before they rose even higher lol

marsh solar
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I like [[armory automaton]] best for that. But because you don't control them, THEY have to pay to get it back haha

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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God I miss Gene Wilder

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Yeah, it was just reprinted too!

marsh solar
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I'm building [[stiltzkin, moogle merchant]] into an arms dealer with it as a win-con...

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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here have some weapons

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I'm gonna borrow these

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XD

wide quiver
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lol that's great

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[[thieving skydiver]] is nice too

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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yoinks mana rocks

marsh solar
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that's excellent

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[[barroom brawl]]

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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nope

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what was it...

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it was red

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turns all artifacts into equipment

wide quiver
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[[treasure knabber]]?

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Ohh

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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[[dan lewis]]?

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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all treasures and everything get equipped to armory automaton

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yea that!

wide quiver
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It's you control

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unfortunately

marsh solar
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oh, no

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not that one then

wide quiver
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Only card with that text unless I'm missing something

marsh solar
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[[bludgeon brawl]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Ahh

marsh solar
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in rakdos... [[dying wish]]

wide quiver
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Then make everything into an artifact with that one card

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I cannot find it, but everything is an artifact

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So you steal all lands too

marsh solar
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if you throw down [[Mycosynth lattice]] yes

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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yeah that's it

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Had to look up karn on edhrec to find it lol

marsh solar
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lol, crazy shinanigans are fun

wide quiver
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I think I've got my deck plus 40 cards

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I am now satisfied

marsh solar
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I keep wondering if there was a way to make [[dream halls]] work with her

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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You definitely could with curiosity and ophidian

marsh solar
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I'm not a huge fan of world enchantments like this, but sometimes you can make it one sided

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it just seems superior to [[as fortold]]... and faster

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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faster at 5 mana is wild

marsh solar
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lol

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ironic, but yea, they take effect at the same time... sorta

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and discard a card to cast y'shtola... it just makes sense

maiden widget
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If I have [[bloodchief]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Multiple cards match “bloodchief”, can you be more specific?

maiden widget
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[[bloodchief ascension]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Should I add in [[midncrank]]

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “midncrank”

maiden widget
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[[mindcrank]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Or it is too strong for bracket 3 ?

wide quiver
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mindcrank isn't really strong imo

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Milling helps them unless you're going to kill them through mill (which you aren't)

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Ohh you mean with bloodchief

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EWWWW

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2 card combos are icky

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(all combos are icky)

marsh solar
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[[mana web]] seems evil in this deck...

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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tap command tower - tap all lands, tap forest, tap all green lands... if I read it right

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it would need to be countered... I don't see it being easy to remove

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lmao

mild harness
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Hear me out

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[[Armageddon]]

marsh solar
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yeah, I kno ok, lol. but mana web is MORE evil... because it KEEPS annoying everyone

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XD

mild harness
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There’s a card that makes lands tap for different colors

marsh solar
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it's like the mosquito that nobody can seem to kill

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[[red moon]] also

surreal shoalBOT
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Creature — Human Werewolf
manat: Add manag.
At the beginning of each upkeep, if no spells were cast last turn, transform this creature.
"My village's fear drove me into the wild . . ."
1/1

Moonscarred Werewolf
Creature — Werewolf
Vigilance
manat: Add managmanag.
At the beginning of each upkeep, if a player cast two or more spells last turn, transform this creature.
". . . and I will bring the fury of the wild back to my village."
2/2

marsh solar
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nope

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what was it? all lands tap for red

mild harness
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[[naked singularity]]

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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lmao

mild harness
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Can’t run it sadly reading it

marsh solar
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this card.... wtf [[battle of wits]]

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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Lmfao

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[[divine intervention]]

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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lol

mild harness
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Yshtola control would be annoying

marsh solar
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I hear that's the direction a lot of decks are going

mild harness
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Perfect

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I could probably throw together a nasty stax deck when i get home

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Should I add a win con or no

wide quiver
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no

marsh solar
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I know it's unrelated... but I really want to try building [[Flubs, the fool]] with a land creatures win with [[epic struggle]] & [[Life and limb]]...

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
marsh solar
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[[sylvan awakening]] might be better

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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With how much I slap together decks, I should melt my own brewing thread at this rate

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Flubs is a meme and I love it

maiden widget
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Why do I see green in my yshtola chat

maiden widget
marsh solar
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sorry fish, I got distracted XD

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I have AD-EDH-D

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[[north star]] Interesting card

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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stupid that it costs 4 mana to use tho

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they could have removed the 4 and it would have been fine

marsh solar
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A proxy I made for Y'Shtola using the Fender Guitars Promo art

lusty igloo
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CAN I STEAL??? I want it for my clone of y'shtola

maiden widget
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How good is [[bloodchief accession]] in this deck for not infinite purposes ? Or just leave it there as a threat that need answer ?

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “bloodchief accession”

maiden widget
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[[bloodchief ascension]]

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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It's pretty solid all things considered. 1 mana that either eats removal or will probably do an okay amount of dmg

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I'm still debating if mine goes in or not, bouncing between it and more interaction

marsh solar
pallid ocean
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I think it's decent

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For bloodchief

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But it does feel quite filler-y if you don't have any synergy

wide quiver
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[[summary dismissal]] yae or nae?

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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Not in my meta but it may be a meta call

pallid ocean
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I don't think I've seen many stacks ever reach the point of ever casting that

wide quiver
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Not too large, but a friend of minej plays storm

pallid ocean
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Ah that's a very meta call then as lar said

wide quiver
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I don't want to run it just for that reason, but it seems okay on its own tbh

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as a stifle and a counter

pallid ocean
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Worth noting it still can get countered

wide quiver
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Yeah

pallid ocean
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[[disallow]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Do you want to pay the 1 mana tax for the off chance of storm?

wide quiver
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It's not just storm, but there are many on cast triggers

pallid ocean
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Well I guess it does exile, but it's still fairly fringe

wide quiver
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Like cascade and such that would be sniped

pallid ocean
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That's true

wide quiver
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[[hermes overseer]] seems a little high mv, but I want to keep him in for a few games

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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It does feel pretty pricy at 4cmc

wide quiver
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blockers seem nice

pallid ocean
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He's just more flexible talrand

wide quiver
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I'm also running [[baral, chief]] [[mindsplicer apparatus]] etc to reduce costs

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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I think [[giggling skitterspike]] might be an interesting form of oppression and defense

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I hate skitterspike so much lol

marsh solar
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I have it in my hashaton deck

wide quiver
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My friend has him in his bello deck 😨

pallid ocean
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Idk, I feel like it does more work in a counters deck

marsh solar
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yea, it does, for sure

wide quiver
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Yeah, I put one in my bumbleflower deck, but haven't seen it yet

pallid ocean
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He's just a blocker but you need to spend 9 mana to be a threat

wide quiver
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He's decent in bello for that reason too

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Turns into a hasty 4/4

pallid ocean
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It's much better if you have ways to make him big fast

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How's mindsplice for you Levi?

wide quiver
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slap a [[reaper's scythe]] on him lol

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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I know that yshtola is pretty pip heavy

wide quiver
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I just put it in, but also I haven't gotten in any yshtola games yet

pallid ocean
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Oh is planisphere making waves?

pallid ocean
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So it turned out that it grows quite fast

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It's like $10+ now

wide quiver
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I slapped it into my bumble deck from the precon

pallid ocean
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Also vivi is in standard ...

wide quiver
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Vivi is such a mistake lol

pallid ocean
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I wonder if it's one of the now common designed for commander mistakes

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But on the other hand, she is so pushed

wide quiver
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Pushed even for commander lol

pallid ocean
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Could be a remnant of designed for modern and no time to balance

wide quiver
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I wonder if it's because she's an iconic character

pallid ocean
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Is she that iconic

wide quiver
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Probably 4th or 5th, after the FF7 characters

pallid ocean
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I was more aware of the main characters and villains of the various FF games over her tbh

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Oh right, I got a good chunk of my FF singles today but still missing a few for yshtola

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[[alphinaud]] and [[papalymo]] are the biggest I'm missing tho

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Realistically, alphinaud is prob just too expensive to make the cut but I like him

wide quiver
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The leveilleurs seem good, but I hocked them out to my bumbleflower deck instead

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And yeah, a little spendy for a noncreature deck

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papalymo is just so cool

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and fun to say

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I'm sad there's not a card for Aledji Adeledji

pallid ocean
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Tataru taru at least got it

wide quiver
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I think she's part of the main group

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It's been like a decade since I've played ff14 lol

pallid ocean
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She is

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She is also secretly just op

wide quiver
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I also moved her to my bumbleflower deck lol

pallid ocean
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Yea bumbleflower really likes the FFXIV cast for some reason

wide quiver
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Hmm I feel like I need more protection

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And I think [[teferi's ageless insight]] is probably unnecessary

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Tho probably better than alphinaud

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That's not a high bar

wide quiver
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It is a noncreature at least

pallid ocean
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Honestly why is it so cheap?

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4cmc do nothing?

wide quiver
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Yeah

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I'll probably put chakrams back in in place of it

pallid ocean
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There are a ton of taxes available for the deck

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Authority of the consuls, Kambal

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Even bloodchief

wide quiver
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I'm just running authority and blind obedience

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Though neither are tax

pallid ocean
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I dislike blind obedience

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Mostly because it's colored mana for extort

wide quiver
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I've never once extorted

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It's just good protection and good against treasure decks

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Extort might be helpful sometimes inj passing over 4 damage for yshtola

pallid ocean
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[[storage matrix]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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[[tanglewire]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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How to be archenemy

wide quiver
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lol

pallid ocean
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Oh I found something nice

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[[orb of dreams]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Triggers yshtola

wide quiver
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Oh yeah, not bad

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We don't really care about tapped or untapped generally either

pallid ocean
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[[dissipation field]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Those are the only ones that aren't super unfun to play against

wide quiver
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I think I'll put in [[painful quandary]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Swap it out of my hellbent deck for [[oppression]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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[[theoretical duplication]] is really neat. Maybe I'll run it too.

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Oppression is pretty oppressive

pallid ocean
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Yeah, faerie artisans is cool as hell

pallid ocean
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So a card while not needed for the deck, is too flavorful to not include is the new dark confidant

wide quiver
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It and [[octomancer]] is the dream combo

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
pallid ocean
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[[dark confidant]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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It's just the new reprint

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Since he's now a FFXIV antagonist

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You really don't need that whatsoever but he's flavorful

wide quiver
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Oh gotcha

pallid ocean
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I feel like edh has gotten so powerful, 4cmc and above has to really do alot

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At least in b3+

maiden widget
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[[temporary lockdown]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Wait
Nvm it’s bad

wide quiver
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Yeah, only good in constructed formats against aggro tbh

pallid ocean
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Thoughts on [[lotho, corrupt]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Can't decide if he's worth it, my usual pod tends to play around it

wide quiver
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He's probably decent? I wouldn't really run him though

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Partly because he's like $10

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[[$Lotho corrupt]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Oh hmm

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You can also trigger it which is nice

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Maybe I'll slap it in my spongebob hatebears deck actually

maiden widget
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Ha finally pulled this for yshtola copy token

wide quiver
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Nice

maiden widget
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Now I need 1 more

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😅

maiden widget
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[[lunar convocation]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Nvm it’s bad

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It’s your end step not each end step

void grove
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Dp y'all think y'shtola can be safely bracket 3?

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I've been brewing vivi and cant seem to bring it to 3 without it being less enjoyable

soft peak
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Vivi seems quite a bit stronger if you build him at all sensibly so yeah I can see that

void grove
soft peak
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Yshtola I feel can be 2 to 4 just fine depending on the 99

void grove
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Vivi is hard to make b3 without really gimping it

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Or like going an artifact build or something stupid

void grove
soft peak
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2 is tough though

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Im experiencing exactly what youre feeling

void grove
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The precon is a 2 surely

soft peak
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Trying to downpower her

soft peak
void grove
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I just had a game where I got to 8 poison counters with infect yshtola

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Tempted to buy a surge foils yshtola just to have when it doubles in price

soft peak
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My yshtola deck is like a 3 I think? I'm still figuring out these brackets, fastest shes won was turn 7

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But most of the time its a bit later

void grove
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None of my decks ever win that fast

soft peak
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Really

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That was a unique situation at least, there was another burn player at the table

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Usually its more like t9+

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This is my current deck

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Im trying to figure out what bracket it is tbh

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I think 3

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But if t7 is too fast for that idk

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No gc, no infinites, a single tutor (if you can even call it that)

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Many many upgrades i could do so I would think its not close to a 4 but idk

wide quiver
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My decks usually lose around turn 5

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And then the game goes on another 5 turns

soft peak
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Sounds like there's a voltron player in your games

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lol

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one got me turn 4 two games in a row, lesson learned I do not let him cook anymore

wide quiver
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Nope. Everyone just focuses me. It's almost a meme at this point lol

soft peak
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im trying to get my table to focus me more

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that turn 7 win

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they tutored for a [[cooped up]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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to put on my yshtola who had curiosity

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didnt exile her, let me untap

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someone else had path to exile, didnt use it

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and they immediately lose ofc..

void grove
wide quiver
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Haven't played yshtola yet

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Just in general lol

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I have a spreadsheet tracking our games and usually I'm either first or last lmao

mild harness
marsh solar
mild harness
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It looks like you did, I ask though to be sure

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that’s sick. You care if I print it then?

marsh solar
mild harness
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I realize we’re both mutuals in another server I was about to mention

marsh solar
mild harness
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Alright, thank you

maiden widget
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[[grand arbiter augustin iv]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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I’m consider thiss card for no reason

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👀

wide quiver
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I mean, if you want to be the problem anyways, might as well

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If your table is okay with it

maiden widget
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Isn’t yshtola herself also a problem already

soft peak
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My pod has told me she's now kill on sight

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So uhh

marsh solar
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That always annoys me. When a deck and or cmdr works, no one wants you to play it… 😭

wide quiver
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Well if it means them not working

lusty igloo
soft peak
soft peak
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Idk if its the best but probably my favourite has been [[robe of stars]], it's so funny

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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She does 2 damage & gains 2 when you play 3cost, costs 4 mana, and draws cards well conditionally… her deck will play slower than most others, I don’t see the problem.

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If people are building her to be toxic, of course she will be toxic

lusty igloo
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She’s very insidious. She doesn’t seem like the problem until your engines start going and they’ll be too late to stop you

wide quiver
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Robe of stars is spendy

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[[vanishing]] works for a similar effect at dirt cheap

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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The fact that she needs 3mv slows her down quite significantly

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At least in my opinion

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[[queza, augur of agonies]] is similar

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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In esper, draw spells are insanely cheap

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Either way, I love how she’s designed so I’m going to build my deck to work without her, and do pretty much the same thing she does lol

soft peak
marsh solar
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@soft peak I really want to make you a proxy for some reason… I’ll call it library of Lang

wide quiver
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I found it from a MTGGoldfish podcast a while back

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Phasing is a weird form of protection for her though

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since you preferably want her to stick through your opponents' turns too

marsh solar
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I would suggest [[kaya’s ghostform]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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[[gift of immortality]] was mentioned here too

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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Also again it's funny for the cat to vanish at the sign of danger

lusty igloo
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But yeah true

maiden widget
soft peak
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I may have a few of those in my deck too... lol

maiden widget
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I don’t feel bad for [[grand arbiter augustin iv]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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Do you run trinisphere?

maiden widget
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Mayhap

soft peak
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Nice lol

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I mosty do life tax right now

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[[Liesa, shroud of dusk]] is my pet card

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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Have her as a commander for another deck lol

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Also Talion, kambal, and I just added [[Ankh of Mishra]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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Havent played with it yet but I expect it will cook with yshtola

marsh solar
marsh solar
surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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The fact that it doesn’t force you to put it on top of library is the key

soft peak
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Not too familiar with hashaton but I see the vision

mild harness
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Do you guys run things like greaves/boots? or what protection for yshtola do you prefer

fervent burrow
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I have greaves and I just assume I'll have 1 other creature out if I need to target her with oine of the like, 3 auras

maiden widget
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Gift of immortality

marsh solar
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Kaya’s ghostform

mild harness
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[[gift of immortality]] [[kayas ghostform]]

surreal shoalBOT
mild harness
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I see

fervent burrow
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Ghostform is just an extra life whenever

marsh solar
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Pretty much, if you can give her a hex proof also, it’s the only way to keep her on the board during a farewell aside from phasing or countering

maiden widget
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Same with gift

soft peak
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Gift is dies only unfortunately

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Have yall seen this card? [[Release to the wind]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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I meant it’s also trigger her pin

soft peak
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Basically phasing

maiden widget
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[[smoke bomb]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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I’m playing this shit how

soft peak
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Oh shit ive seen that card but not the ALL creatures part

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Thats funny

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Can bounce someones aura in a pinch

marsh solar
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Same with smoke bomb, nice

maiden widget
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Then cast it again right the way

soft peak
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Or temp removal

maiden widget
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Depend on how many yshtola you have on board you might end the game

soft peak
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Or lets you recast an artifact for another yshtola trigger

maiden widget
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Yes my version is all about making 10 trillion car girls

void grove
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I feel like yshtola encourages you to heavily build the deck around her requirements

soft peak
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Tap basalt monolith for 3 mana
Release to the wind it
Recast for free, getting another yshtola ping

void grove
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So if she gets hated out your deck might not work so well

maiden widget
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Well you can go on the direction of all the job select and go wide

soft peak
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I wish they added more black mage token options

maiden widget
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We have like 3 ?

soft peak
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4 i think

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And some more rakdos ones

maiden widget
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Rod , transpose, circle of power ?

soft peak
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And surrounded by black mages

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3 mana sorcery

maiden widget
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Here is the best black mage

soft peak
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*[[cornered by black mages]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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[[papalymo]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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Real

maiden widget
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Super slept on

soft peak
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Every time i play him he gets removed immediately 😭

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Faster than yshtola even

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Its crazy

marsh solar
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I think the only defense against instant removal is to have a lot of things that need to be removed instantly. That way, you can get what you need out and no one has an answer anymore.👍

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🤣

maiden widget
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@soft peak if you want to be even more toxic

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[[teferi, time ra]]

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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I have him in mine also

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Lmao

soft peak
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That ones in my jank barren glory yshtola deck

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I dint think i need it in my main one though

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I have like

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4 sorceries maybe

maiden widget
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All my soceries are boardwipe so

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I love to cast boardwipe on flash

soft peak
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27 instant 4 sorceries I live on my opponents end step lol

marsh solar
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I have a lot of enchantments, so I have [[vedalkin orrery]] and a few others like it

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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[[fae trickster]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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I have her

soft peak
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Do u have the fish

marsh solar
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The otter is good too

soft peak
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The grand abolisher that gives everyone flash

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Lol

maiden widget
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[[leyline of anticipation]]

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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[[valley tidecaller]]

surreal shoalBOT
#

No card found for “valley tidecaller”

maiden widget
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That my 3 flasher

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Oh today I did a crazy combo with [[bolas’s cit]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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[[Tidal Barracuda]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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This guys funny

marsh solar
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That is awesome

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Cards like that are fun

maiden widget
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Esper slowly my fav combination

soft peak
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^^same here

maiden widget
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Between bolas citadel, smothering tithe, rystic study

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The deck sound oppressive

marsh solar
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Anyone using [[copy land]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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I just added all 3 bounce lands

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Prolly bad ideas but

soft peak
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But being esper devotion for nyx probably isnt great

marsh solar
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[[monastary siege]] is also decent protection. Basically gives all your creatures ward 2

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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Not sure what else we'd copy

marsh solar
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sorry, I mean all your permanents

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Who knows, ancient tomb, coffers

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Even just one of your basics if you needed it

soft peak
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Maybe if you were really enchantment heavy and ran [[serra's sanctum]]

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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Yeah, it’s in here. It’s basically an even split. Around 12-16 of each card type other than lands

mild harness
soft peak
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Its one of my fav cards

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So many possibilities

marsh solar
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I didn’t even know it existed, thanks for the suggestion

soft peak
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And thank you for copy land

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It might be going in my mono blue yshtola deck lol

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Its been doing devious things with shrine to nyx already

marsh solar
soft peak
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Not sure what you mean

marsh solar
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Since you cast it again, it’s open to counter spells

soft peak
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True

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Youll have fully open mana for it though

marsh solar
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Just something to keep in mind. It does look fun.

pallid ocean
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[[copy enchantment]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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I heard you like tithe, why not have 2?

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Otherwise, [[steal enchantment]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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[[mnemonic]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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[[mnemonic betrayal]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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This card sound cute ngl

pallid ocean
maiden widget
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Combo with [[bloodchief accession]]

surreal shoalBOT
#

No card found for “bloodchief accession”

maiden widget
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Or whatever the card called

pallid ocean
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I dislike 2 card combos when one part is not good without the other

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At least bloodchief ascension is good by itself unlike betrayal

maiden widget
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Bloodchief alone in the deck feel like it’s just a bait for a removal

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Which now I say it out loud

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It’s not that bad

lusty igloo
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are you guys running the flash cards

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spells you control have flash

maiden widget
lusty igloo
maiden widget
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[[teferi, time]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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No

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[[teferi, time raveler]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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[[leyline of anticipation]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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you're not on teferi + displacer kitten lines are you

maiden widget
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[[high fae strickter]]

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “high fae strickter”

maiden widget
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[[high fae]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Multiple cards match “high fae”, can you be more specific?

maiden widget
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[[high fae trickster]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
lusty igloo
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but t3feri + displacer kitten + mana rocks that generate at least the mana they cost = infinite draw + tons of mana. usually colorless until you find mox opal or similar

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oh i guess we also run sol ring + mox amber

maiden widget
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Nah

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I just use him to be annoying

lusty igloo
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i see

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i think ill skip on flash

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leyline is particularly tempting tho

maiden widget
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Lol it’s nice

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And Fae trickster is a nice flying blocker

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Bc sometime you just lose to flyer

pallid ocean
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Flash is nice but not something I'd deem necessary

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It's funny with [[Ultima]] tho

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Thoughts on [[revel in riches]]?

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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We do kill a lot of creatures and it's a form of treasures

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But it's also 5cmc

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My currently finished flavor deck for yshtola

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About a quarter of the cards are related to FFXIV other than lands

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Mox amber would be great but don't own it

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I prob wish there were more counter spells to squeeze in tho

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If I do add more counters, prob will cut more flavor stuff

soft peak
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Desynchronization is cool

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Hmm

pallid ocean
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Tbf, it's prob one of the weaker cards

soft peak
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Depends on meta for sure

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In my yshtola deck and vs some of the decks I play vs thats a nuke

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Vs an artifact deck its a bit of a dud though

pallid ocean
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I run enough token makers it's not exactly synergy

soft peak
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Right

pallid ocean
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Ojer papatiq prob is also cuttable but it's funny

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Got the idea from levi

soft peak
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Yeah I looked at that and it felt like a win more card

pallid ocean
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Mindbreak trap is funny

soft peak
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@pallid ocean since you're going with a lot of tokens have you considered [[Nanogene Conversion]]?

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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wait this applies to opponents creatures as well lmao

pallid ocean
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It's more of a small sub theme to be worth it imo

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Huh wonder how it'll work zenos

wide quiver
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Pakpatiq at worst is a ramp spell tbh

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I also have 20+ instants to work off of it though

pallid ocean
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I'm used to defaulting g exile based removal so thats prob why

wide quiver
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That's fair, but ignoring farewell, who is going to swords a pakpatiq lol

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I reckon there are effects like dauthi voidwalker

pallid ocean
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I wonder if I would rate it as good as a bad doubler

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Prob similar

wide quiver
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It reminds me that Richard from mtg goldfish just runs [[ojer ax]] as red ramp

surreal shoalBOT
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Legendary Creature — God
Trample
If a red source you control would deal an amount of noncombat damage less than Ojer Axonil's power to an opponent, that source deals damage equal to Ojer Axonil's power instead.
When Ojer Axonil dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
4/4

Temple of Power
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might.)
manat: Add manar.
mana2manar, manat: Transform this land. Activate only if red sources you controlled dealt 4 or more noncombat damage this turn and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec passion. Ojer Axonil challenged them to harness it.

pallid ocean
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Pretty sure that's a meme

wide quiver
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No, he just has the craziest takes

pallid ocean
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But ojer axonil is terrifying

pallid ocean
wide quiver
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I love all the LCI gods, but axonil especially

pallid ocean
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It's funny af how he works with doublers tho

wide quiver
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In that he doesn't

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lol

pallid ocean
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Yep

wide quiver
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It's very annoying in a pingers deck, but I still run a lot of the replacement effects

pallid ocean
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It's so much value with pings

wide quiver
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Indeed

pallid ocean
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Love how it's balanced by game mechanics

void grove
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Delney is sick here

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I kinda wanna build yshtola now after seeing it in action

wide quiver
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Yeah, people have been running him

void grove
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I have a spare delney sitting around looking for a home

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How do yall protect yshtola, she's a removal magnet

pallid ocean
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I would include him but I don't own one

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May end up proxying or something

wide quiver
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A little spendy too

pallid ocean
wide quiver
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[[gift of immortality]] is on the way for me

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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But really always have something to save her before you cast her

soft peak
void grove
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Kayas ghostform seems good

soft peak
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a few equips

pallid ocean
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I run a ton of other creatures compared to yshtola

soft peak
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also yeah other threats

pallid ocean
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Mostly for flavor but also just good to spread the threat

soft peak
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if you have talion out is yshtola the problem or talion

pallid ocean
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Ysh

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It's always yshtola

soft peak
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maybe

pallid ocean
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How many 2 cmc cards do you even have

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I believe that's the best number for talion?

soft peak
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[[talion, the kindly lord]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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its opponents casting

pallid ocean
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Well 2 power and toughness too

soft peak
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in isolation hes the better draw engine no?

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without more setup for ysh

pallid ocean
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Technically?

soft peak
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point is have other threats, other engines

pallid ocean
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Yea I'm running remora

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Quite a few of the FFXIV cast

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Mostly for flavor but they are all fairly decent

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Not bracket 4 level but decent

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And I'm playing high power 3 technically

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You can also run more commander helm, plate etc

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She's just in full armor with a mithril coat

marsh solar
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[[defiler of dreams]] seems like it could be interesting...

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Such a high mv

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when you want to be casting noncreatures

fervent burrow
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It's also permanents only which likely will be limited to your turn, where Yshtola wands to be an every-turn type of spell

wide quiver
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Yar

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There are quite a few flash speed permanents I run though

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Not enough to justify a 5 mana creature though

soft peak
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I could see you playing an own turn permanent heavy yshtola variant, there are ways to tax opponents on their turn for the draw

wide quiver
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Yeah, you could

soft peak
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thats part of what I love most about this commander

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there are so many directions you can go

wide quiver
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Yeah, it's pretty flexible

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I'm just building it in the obvious control way lol

fervent burrow
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I'm keeping gear hulk in btw

wide quiver
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Torrential? Same.

fervent burrow
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I understand why it could be removed but I want at least 1 kinda beefy blocker, at instant speed, which also let's me recur another instant for free. Just cast something that double burns for a free trigger

soft peak
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thats an interesting card

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hmmmm

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flash it in, recast unwind/rewind/frantic search to get 3 more open mana back

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spicy potentially

wide quiver
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I've been very happy with it in my bumbleflower deck

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discarding a high mv instant, then recurring it at instant speed is pretty spicy

fervent burrow
wide quiver
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Nobody expects [[inkshield]] when it's already in your GY

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Or [[perch protection]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Instant
Gift an extra turn (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they take an extra turn after this one.)
Create four 2/2 blue Bird creature tokens with flying. If the gift was promised, all permanents you control phase out, and until your next turn, your life total can't change and you gain protection from everything.
Exile Perch Protection.

fervent burrow
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Mmmm inkshield

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I want Inksheild in here but I haven't found a slot for it yet

I want to play a few games with current build and see what feels weak/upgradable from my paper

soft peak
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There's also [[Counterpoint]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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i dont currently have it in my deck but

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its interesting

wide quiver
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Oh that is interesting

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I currently only have 4 sorceries lol

fervent burrow
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Counterpoint is bordering on "5 mana counterspell to trigger a draw since I re-cast an instant" for me, but I see it's merits and it's still in the maybeboard

wide quiver
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recurring an important sorcery at instant speed is interesting

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toxic deluge again

fervent burrow
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I've got 6... 2 boardwipes, copy spell, exsanguinate as a finisher, treasure cruise (1 mana draw 3?) And temporal mastery because 2 mana extra turn + trigger

soft peak
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I ditched treasure cruise after goldfishing a bit

soft peak
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I feel like debt is better for yshtola

fervent burrow
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Debt can be better as it has a higher ceiling. The tipping point is what, 8 mana?

soft peak
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its lower when you factor in yshtola will trigger off of it

fervent burrow
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She will trigger of exsanguinate too

soft peak
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will she?

fervent burrow
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No?

soft peak
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isnt its cmc only 2

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regardless what x is

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yeah if that's how it works I did the math earlier

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and debt does more damage for every value of X

wide quiver
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She will, the mv on the stack becomes what you pay for it, so says rulings

fervent burrow
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I thought there was something like, when you cast an X spell the mana value on the stack is calculated what's is paid

soft peak
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ohhh ok

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hmmm

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sang looks more versitile in that case

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wow I ruled out a lot of X cost spells because I thought cmc wouldnt include it

fervent burrow
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There are indeed 79 instant/flash spells with manax

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Granted most are counterspells or similar vut [[march of swirling mist]] might be a missed one

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I'm using [[march of the swirling mists]]

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Dammit Larc

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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Hahaha

wide quiver
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Good protection for ysh, but also good way to fog a few creatures

fervent burrow
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Yeah I need to include that in my maybeboard, I feel protection will be a premium when I get to my friends

wide quiver
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I'm just wary of phasing in general

fervent burrow
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Ooo and I have a copy

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Why so?

wide quiver
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You kinda want ysh back before your turn comes back around

fervent burrow
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I guess you do lose her for a potential few turns yeah

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At least you don't have yo waste mana protecting her for a few more turns tho either 🙃

soft peak
#

are you running cards that give your spells flash

fervent burrow
#

Just Lyse Hext, Floodcaller for me

soft peak
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[[release to the wind]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
#

phasing but you can recast her whenever

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*if you can give her flash

fervent burrow
#

I also swapped around [[dawn truce]] for [[cosmic intervention]] since I can get a trigger, and hopefully foretell it. But that's a mana usage call

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
#

theres like a line to use cosmic intervention for ramp too right

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using fetch lands

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yeah play cosmic, crack fetch, it comes back at your end step. crack it again, it comes back at your opponents next end step, and you crack it a third time

void grove
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[[smile at death]] as repeatable yshtola recursion seems like dumb funny tech

surreal shoalBOT
void grove
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Too expensive though

wide quiver
fervent burrow
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I don't know why I said that because I know she doesn't lol

wide quiver
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She's good card though!

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[[gush]]?

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Kinda funny

fervent burrow
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I don't see myself gushing in here but it is funny

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Speaking of free cards, all the spells like [[misdirect]] and such... do islands count as blue cards?

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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I dont think so

fervent burrow
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Caring about color of cards has never been a realm I messed with, and I know lands are a weird one

soft peak
#

there's [[foil]] though

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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bit pricey but its free*

fervent burrow
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Didn't think so either

soft peak
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I also run [[Flare of Denial]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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its not the best but its fun as far as free counterspells go

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usually a tough decision on whether I really want to sac something (I don't run a lot of creatures)

wide quiver
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Unless you're arbor dryad

fervent burrow
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Well I'm not arbor dryad

soft peak
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are you a [[painter's servant]] though

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I'm arbor dryad

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Oh, it's dryad arbor anyways

fervent burrow
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I don't remember making a scary gargoyle

wide quiver
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Nanogene seems hilarious lmao

wide quiver
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[[pippin, guard]] thoughts?

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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A creature

fervent burrow
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[[Mother of runes]] with extra steps sorta right? I suppose someone could have a white and black removal spell or such in one turn

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Oh yeah, I guess mother of runes is just better

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I don't have a mother of runes though

fervent burrow
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When did that become a $5 card

wide quiver
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Speaking of

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I put [[Deep gnome terra]] in and it's apparently $6 now

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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[[amphibian downpour]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
#

This card sound funny

wide quiver
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Yeah I'm running it

maiden widget
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I want to handicap their commander

wide quiver
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[[imprison in the moon]] is an alternate version of this

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And [[oubliette]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
#

All with their pros and cons

maiden widget
wide quiver
#

True

maiden widget
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If I cast 4 spell before

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I can target like 4 more things ?

wide quiver
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Yes

maiden widget
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Did I understand storm correct ?

wide quiver
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And not just you

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It's for each spell cast before

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Including opponents

maiden widget
#

Ok time to turn the whole table into frog

wide quiver
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Reject society, become frog

maiden widget
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I love how this deck no longer look like the precon

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Like 85% of the deck is replaced

wide quiver
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I removed 36 cards

maiden widget
fervent burrow
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Yeah the artifact package, a few new creatures, a few instants and lands are all that lvied

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24 non-lands survived

lusty igloo
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Precon yshtola is bracket 1

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Precon yshtola is bracket 1

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They did such a bad job I cancelled my preorder and made my own deck

maiden widget
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Nah it’s at least 2

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Even though it’s having identity crisis, but it can do a lot of cool thing thou

wide quiver
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The precon is alright

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I got a couple games in tonight, and boy did it feel pretty stronk

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Except the first game where I didn't draw blue mana lmao.

maiden widget
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I won’t play the game if I don’t draw blue opening hand ngl

wide quiver
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I didn't want to hold up my turn by mulliganing lol

wide quiver
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Emet selch felt very stronk too

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Helm of the ghastlord was also very stronk

pallid ocean
pallid ocean
pallid ocean
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But it has enough gas and flavor for me imo

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Still trying to get the precon rn for MSRP

soft peak
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[[Stern Lesson]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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just found this

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quite nice

fervent burrow
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I don't have enough artifacts to make regular use of it I think unfortunately, I have 13 but they're all sorc speed most of the time

soft peak
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I have 14 and I'm going to run it

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that mana can be used to pay for abilities and other costs too

pallid ocean
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It's 3 mana do very little

soft peak
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or if you need a permanent to sac

pallid ocean
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What requires a sac?

soft peak
soft peak
pallid ocean
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It's card neutral

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Which one is that?

soft peak
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[[beseech the mirror]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Sorcery
Bargain (You may sacrifice an artifact, enchantment, or token as you cast this spell.)
Search your library for a card, exile it face down, then shuffle. If this spell was bargained, you may cast the exiled card without paying its mana cost if that spell's mana value is 4 or less. Put the exiled card into your hand if it wasn't cast this way.

pallid ocean
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Oh i don't run it

soft peak
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because I have 3 others in my hand already

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for example

pallid ocean
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I usually like to plan my decks out without my commander

soft peak
#

draw spells are bad I guess

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mb

pallid ocean
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I don't really call it a draw spell since it's card neutral

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But it's my subjective opinion

soft peak
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its not card advantage but it is draw

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depending on perspective you could consider it card advantage tho since youre getting a pseudo mana rock...

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and depending on the rest of your deck you might like the ability to discard something

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if youre running something like [[Torrential Gearhulk]]

surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
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(which the powerstone could help pay for btw)

pallid ocean
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It could but still not a lot of targets

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I generally try for above 20

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So this is expensive but I feel like more decks should run it

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[[glasswing grace]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Well 5cmc expensive

vital steppe
#

gift of orzhova for 3cmc and same shit ? tho this is also a land

pallid ocean
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Tap land with a very good upside

vital steppe
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got it in my eriette.

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orzhova is in my list for now tho

pallid ocean
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It's expensive at 5cmc but it does have enchantment synergy as well as MDFC upside

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The competition is the 3cmc azorius lifelink enchantment tho

void grove
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What are some lazy upgrades to the precon if I don't want to put the effort into doing a full fresh brew and buying like 70 new cards but just want to get it to decent bracket 3 level?

void grove
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I'm exhausted from my last brew

pallid ocean
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Unwind rewind

void grove
vital steppe
soft peak
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frantic search asw