#Y'shtola Communal Brewing

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maiden widget
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boot, curator ward, solidary confiment, gift of immortality

pallid ocean
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That said, I am using rhystic as one of my GCs

wide quiver
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[[render silent]] is a "fun" offensive counter

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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I've got this self pulled rhystic that I've not had a chance to put in a deck for months

fervent burrow
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I feel like Smothering would overperform here as mana rocks

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As a GC

pallid ocean
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Oh yea

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I've come around on that idea

wide quiver
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Running staples puts a bad taste in my mouth though

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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It's pulling straight cheeks

sacred galleon
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yeah i run 0 GCs i already push the tables buttons enough lmao

pallid ocean
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[[Tataru taru]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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So this is a card

fervent burrow
pallid ocean
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And it's in the lrecon

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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It's basically a smothering

sacred galleon
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it went straight out of my precon straight into my girlfriends bumble deck, yeah

wide quiver
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Yeah I moved mine out into my bumble deck

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How is it like a smothering?

pallid ocean
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It's smothering if it wasn't free

wide quiver
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It's when they draw not on their turn

sacred galleon
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bumble triggers smother on every draw you hand out if they cant pay, but tataru just does it once

maiden widget
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👀 smothering if you can’t afford $40

pallid ocean
sacred galleon
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theyre tapped, granted, but it draws significantly less hate

pallid ocean
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It's already creeping past $20 locally

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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Tataru

maiden widget
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Wait really ?

sacred galleon
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that tracks, unfortunately lmao

pallid ocean
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Cards been super popular here

maiden widget
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That card is in my bulk

pallid ocean
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It's over performing the card kingdom price, that usually never happens

maiden widget
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What 3 GC are we running ?

pallid ocean
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We usually just price CK1

sacred galleon
pallid ocean
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I'm doing rhystic, tithe and fierce guardianship

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Realistically I think force of will is better than rhystic

maiden widget
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I’m doing Narset, Bolas, smothering

pallid ocean
wide quiver
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Bolas seems pretty good, yeah

maiden widget
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Bc 2 of them actually affordable lmao

pallid ocean
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It's significantly better in bracket 4 tho

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Narset is GC because of the very unfun interaction with wheels

wide quiver
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Yeah, both Narset and Notion Thief are there for that

maiden widget
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Wait what wheels ?

sacred galleon
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if i was running GCs id probably go bolas, force of will, and fierce guardianship

wide quiver
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Notion thief is much better than narset generically imo

pallid ocean
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[[wheel of fortune]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Oh

sacred galleon
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for a blue version [[windfall]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Each player discards their hands, you draw 21

maiden widget
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Is there a GC list I can look ?

pallid ocean
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Basically force everyone to discard and draw 0

pallid ocean
sacred galleon
pallid ocean
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Since you draw 7 yourself too

wide quiver
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Semantics

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One player conceded

sacred galleon
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a game breaking amount of draw, basically lol

pallid ocean
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That said, it's just really disgusting

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It's not just the draw, it's the discard

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You're hoping for the top deck to have an answer

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Realistically, game is already over

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Unless the board somehow kills you

wide quiver
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I saw someone play all the black mage cards in a Kefka deck, and they seemed pretty strong tbh

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Just seeing transpose in that list

sacred galleon
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i have [[helm of the ghastlord]] in the deck and i am so glad i didnt draw it after seeing my girlfriend's reaction to me playing a singular mill+discard card in my ninjas deck the next game lmao

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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The black mage cards do get better when there is. Critical mass

wide quiver
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lol

pallid ocean
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Honestly, there are some cards that I question belongs in a b3 yshtola list

sacred galleon
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yeah you kinda wanna run as many of them as you can if youre committing to it, but they felt a bit too inconsequential in this deck when i tried em

pallid ocean
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Ghastlord, sigil of sleep etc

maiden widget
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?

sacred galleon
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oh its much worse

wide quiver
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Yeah sigil of sleep seems so oppressive

pallid ocean
sacred galleon
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you make everyone else drop a card too

pallid ocean
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For every trigger

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EVERY

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Basically it's a game lock down

maiden widget
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But you’re blue too right ?

sacred galleon
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yep, so you draw 3 and everyone drops a card

pallid ocean
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You can theoretically make people never have a single card

wide quiver
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It's a [[siphon mind]] on every cast

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Literally on draw step, just cast a card

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They can't respond unless it's instant speed

sacred galleon
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eeyep, it can get ugly fast lmao

maiden widget
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Or so add in curiosity and Ophidian Eye I can draw 9 ?

pallid ocean
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Pretty much

sacred galleon
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dont forget the end step draw too lmao

pallid ocean
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There's like 4 curiosity effects if you include the lookout

maiden widget
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I’m cutting one ngl

sacred galleon
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and god forbid you have copies of shtola on board, dear lord it turns into a massacre

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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That's not a massacre, you straight up dusted them

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They never existed

sacred galleon
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for extra meanness, try [[phyresis]] PepeLaugh

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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That said, I think [[desynchronization]] is really good

surreal shoalBOT
sacred galleon
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5 spells and the tables done

maiden widget
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[[quantum misalignment]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Weirdly goated

pallid ocean
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There are 3 or 4 cards that give infect iirc

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Grafted exo and one more

sacred galleon
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i mean [[staff of compleation]] already gets run in my deck so it was a natural fit honestly, but i couldnt bring myself to run the infect package

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Play with radstorm if you really want to be mean

sacred galleon
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i run misalignment, spark double, vile duplication, and delney for my copy package

pallid ocean
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So I was retooling my manabase

sacred galleon
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i wonder whether it'd be worth it to run [[strionic resonator]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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21/50 cards can hurt me

maiden widget
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I’m thinking of getting the weird lady that can copy

sacred galleon
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mmm i love pain mana

maiden widget
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I forgot the name

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Something something of thoudsand face

pallid ocean
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[[gogo, master]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Legendary Creature — Wizard
manaxmanax, manat: Copy target activated or triggered ability you control X times. You may choose new targets for the copies. This ability can't be copied and X can't be 0. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
"I see... so, you seek to save the world. Then I guess that means I shall save the world as well. Lead on! I will copy your every move."
2/4

pallid ocean
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Don't get sakashima

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You run the spell versions to trigger yshtolA

sacred galleon
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^

pallid ocean
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Plus they are way cheaper

maiden widget
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But the cereal version of that card lol

sacred galleon
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lmao i mean if you have it go for it, but that goes for a hefty price last i checked

pallid ocean
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So the joke is that yshtola is secretly a suicide deck

maiden widget
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I won’t go for it

pallid ocean
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I haven't included all the black cards that cost life yet

maiden widget
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Honestly early game of this deck sucks

pallid ocean
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I think I can easily get 30-40 sources of self inflicted dmg

sacred galleon
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or something along those lines

pallid ocean
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But I know some players are choosing to move away from more pain since they get targeted alot

sacred galleon
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the south park kenny of xiv

maiden widget
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Usually I took 20-25 damage before I start winning

pallid ocean
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She canonically gets the one good fake death

sacred galleon
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i find the pain sources help draw aggro away honestly

maiden widget
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[[emet-selch, the]]

surreal shoalBOT
sacred galleon
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but that might just be the newer players at my table

maiden widget
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Idk why I haven’t cut him yet

pallid ocean
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Cause he is great?

sacred galleon
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ive had good results with him, yeah

maiden widget
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Lmao I just think he’s hot

pallid ocean
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And yes he is the sassiest

maiden widget
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Also

sacred galleon
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shtola triggers his ability to discount graveyard spells and breaks timing restrictions on sorceries

maiden widget
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[[fandaniel]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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I love this card after a board wipe

pallid ocean
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I've been iffy on fandaniel

sacred galleon
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ive been just instinctively pitching sorceries that i dont want to immediately cast in case i draw emet so he can do it for me

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same

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5 cmc is steep

maiden widget
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After a board wipe late game ?

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He’s funny

pallid ocean
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Yet he does little early

maiden widget
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Don’t draw him early

sacred galleon
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i guess he can help fuel emet tbf

pallid ocean
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Post board wipe, I have both emets

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The more expensive emet is also really good

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He's just yawgmoths will

maiden widget
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Until they Farewell your grave

pallid ocean
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Also emet 3, krikk is free mana

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Really, I do think you can play all 3 emets

maiden widget
sacred galleon
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i was trying to fit krirk in, i totally missed that they printed an emet krirk lmao

pallid ocean
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Unfortunately, yshtola doesn't really benefit from mono U yshtola

sacred galleon
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not too much unfortunately yeah

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she technically doubles the draw trigger, but thats about it

maiden widget
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Honestly we should cook emet decks

pallid ocean
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That said, not the biggest fan of the art

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I much prefer the other emets

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I really like the FFXIV version of the deck

maiden widget
sacred galleon
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see i dont run unsundered and i really wish third seat had unsundereds art because i really like that art better

maiden widget
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And help you draw

pallid ocean
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Most of the cast plays really well tgt

maiden widget
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Profit

pallid ocean
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I've got the fake yshtola as my commander

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Aka a signed art card

maiden widget
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I have the art card as my copy token

pallid ocean
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It's my favorite pull from my 2 prerelease boxes

sacred galleon
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ah i was lucky and pulled a full art foil of her, dodged the surge, but ill absolutely take what i got

pallid ocean
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It's especially nice since it came from my first ever pack

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I also have the alt art zenos to put inside

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Is it really that good, not really

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Is it still a fun add, yeaa

maiden widget
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Zenos is suck a meme card as commander

pallid ocean
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From as horrible my pack value was, it did have the bangers I actually wanted

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It's 10/10 flavor

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Man literally came back from the dead just to fight us

sacred galleon
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zenos is hilarious politics

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protect the president minigame for a card is great

maiden widget
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If you play ff14 you know the reference lol

pallid ocean
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Man literally took down an empire to force us to fight him

sacred galleon
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men will do anything but go to therapy tbh

maiden widget
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He help us destroyed the creature that will end the world to have a 1v1 with us

pallid ocean
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He is such a controversial character in the fans eyes

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That said, he is pretty much the biggest stereotype of a MMO raid player

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Fk everything else, I just want a good fight

maiden widget
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Ok I need to make emet my commander now

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And force to run all 3 cards

sacred galleon
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oh wow yeah thats sick lol

pallid ocean
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Man y'all actually got to open collector packs

maiden widget
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My one and only collector pack lmao

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Yes it’s foil

sacred galleon
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jesus vivi and emet alt in one pack???

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thats some luck

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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You walked away with more money than 99.9% of people

sacred galleon
pallid ocean
maiden widget
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I sold the Vivi to a CEDH player

pallid ocean
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This was my one good bonus card from my 14 total packs of FF

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It will go into yshtola tho

maiden widget
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Oh wait

pallid ocean
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It's a great art and FF themed

maiden widget
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Wanna see my sick pull I get today ?

sacred galleon
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haha sure go for it

maiden widget
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It’s also foil

sacred galleon
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oo pretty

pallid ocean
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I'm wondering if vivi has standard legs or something

maiden widget
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From play pack at target lol

pallid ocean
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I've noticed a sudden upsurge in vivi demand

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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Considering the last 2 weeks of complete underpricing and negative demand

sacred galleon
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i could see him fitting in cutter prowess decks

pallid ocean
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All the names of people I know in my local FB groups being massive traders started doing WTB posts

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It's very strange considering literally impossible to sell vivi the past 2 weeks for near CK pricing

sacred galleon
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the fact that you can do stuff like monstrous rage -> offer you cant refuse to trigger a cutter monk and still have a bunch of mana left over from the treasures and the ability probably means he can do some dumb things

maiden widget
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I’m hunting down a non foil fullart yshtola

pallid ocean
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Still $150

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Prob couldve traded that vivi for one

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Can't rmb how much foil vivi is for the borderless tho

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I know yshtola was around $150 a week ago

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Honestly, FF singles are in a very weird place rn

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Prices are relatively low for the price of the set

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But supply is also much lower than usual

maiden widget
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I want to buy out all the ff14 solring and command tower

wide quiver
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I just want to feel something

pallid ocean
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I'm just pretty much avoiding the product since I disagree with the price

wide quiver
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💯

pallid ocean
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And that I think the set is just burning money

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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I do think the bubble on the collector boosters are fueled by 30k gold chocobos

sacred galleon
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yeah ive refused to pay anything above msrp but the lgs' around me are pretty good about staying there

pallid ocean
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And that you have a better chance buying literally lottery tickets

maiden widget
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The one ring effect

pallid ocean
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The difference is that LOTR had way better bonus cards in retrospect

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Here is mostly rhystic study

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Even then the anime is better imo

maiden widget
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The extra sheets ?

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Lol I think bolas is fun

pallid ocean
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The extra sheet reprints wise aren't close imo

maiden widget
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Lol it’s pretty mid yeah

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Rystic is nice though

pallid ocean
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There are also just more chase cards like the elvish font etc

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Rhystic is basically what they put into a bonus sheet to make it look good now

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It's never getting a reprint

maiden widget
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The dragon one also good no ?

pallid ocean
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Just way too many short supply bonus sheets

maiden widget
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I forgot the name it

pallid ocean
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The dragons suffer from supply issue more than power

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The whole cycle of them are the only chase from the baldurs dnd set iirc

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[[ancient gold dragon]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Wait not gold, it's another color

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Bronze I think

maiden widget
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Copper

pallid ocean
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Too many darn metals

maiden widget
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[[axatra, grand]]

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “axatra, grand”

maiden widget
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[[atraxa, grand]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Angel
Flying, vigilance, deathtouch, lifelink
When Atraxa enters, reveal the top ten cards of your library. For each card type, you may put a card of that type from among the revealed cards into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. (Artifact, battle, creature, enchantment, instant, land, planeswalker, and sorcery are card types.)
7/7

pallid ocean
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The sub $100 does have some good pulls but it's heavily top weighted

maiden widget
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This also get a reprint

pallid ocean
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I recall LOTR being better overall

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There also just are too many flavorful prints

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Happy that most of the FFXIV cards are on the cheap side tho

maiden widget
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1 every 3 packs are kinda nice thou

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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It did make me realize that Louisoixs sacrifice shouldve been teferis protection

pallid ocean
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Easiest to get

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Think about tef pro

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Then think about what Louisoix did

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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Oh I'm thinking of the EA

maiden widget
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Yeah lol

pallid ocean
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I prefer EA tho

maiden widget
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All the cid is like 3-7 dollar

pallid ocean
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The EA isn't as hard to get

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Plus I like EAs in general

maiden widget
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What EA ?

pallid ocean
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Extended art

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Idk why brainstorm is endwalker

maiden widget
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Oh lol

pallid ocean
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But I'm getting a foil version for my collection

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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Still not brainstorm imo

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Newfound adventure is 10/10 tho

maiden widget
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Lmao I love how they skip 2 expansion

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And randomly add 6.1 poster for 1

pallid ocean
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It is very fitting for farseek tho

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The poster arts are gorgeous

lusty igloo
pallid ocean
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Poor kuja got shafted with that PS2 screenshot

lusty igloo
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more clones beyond vile and quantumn is feasible. i only run those two but it's not a bad option to go for one or two more

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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All the well known staples get a tax

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Look at the ole hoof

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$40 until a standard reprint

maiden widget
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Idk what card they would make for stormblood lol

pallid ocean
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Something from kamigawa imo

pallid ocean
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Or neon dynasty

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I would always love a boseiju reprint

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Even if it's not the most flavorful

lusty igloo
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are we all crushing our LGS's? Is this cat girl too stronk? NanaScared

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im winning some 1v3s atm

pallid ocean
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That said, boseiju does sort of work flavorwise

maiden widget
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Well I cast cleansing tonight and lost the game

lusty igloo
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[[cleansing]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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wat

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is this even legal

maiden widget
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No the board wipe

lusty igloo
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what's the full name

maiden widget
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Cleansing nova

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Lol

lusty igloo
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[[cleansing nova]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
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did u kill ur own yshtola

pallid ocean
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Sort of mirrors the entire civil war between the domans and garleand and the war of kami

maiden widget
lusty igloo
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💀

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how do you guys get basic lands btw i need like 20 of them

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(new playeres only)

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i dun wanna beg my LGS I feel bad

maiden widget
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Steal from LCS ?

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Or pay for a bundle of a shitty set

lusty igloo
pallid ocean
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Hmm in retrospect, would boseiju be a good representation of stormblood

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Just ask your LGS

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most of them have a land tray that's full

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They usually have too many anyways

maiden widget
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They would love for you to buy Aetherift Bundle for $40

pallid ocean
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The finish line bundle?

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It's a decent deal tbh

maiden widget
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Lol yeah

pallid ocean
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2 collectors

maiden widget
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No

lusty igloo
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those energy things give me the ick

maiden widget
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The regular

lusty igloo
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i dont like the theme

pallid ocean
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The fractured foils have been growing steadily in price since nobody wants to open the set

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Oh regular kinda sucks

maiden widget
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The one with no collector

pallid ocean
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The set is just ketramose

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Lotus price was inflated from day 1

maiden widget
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I want a set of land from LoTR

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The maps are cool af

pallid ocean
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That said, I'm a proud owner of a piss foil aetherspark

lusty igloo
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i luv aetherspark

pallid ocean
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I opened jt

lusty igloo
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im thinking of running it in my eldrazi

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but atm i just run him in urza chief constructs

pallid ocean
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It's one of my few proud pulls

maiden widget
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We all have set that everyone hate but they love ?

lusty igloo
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i luv my eldrazis

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and i luv infect

maiden widget
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I love Thunder Junction

pallid ocean
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The aetherdrift has a few good cards amidst the sea of meh

lusty igloo
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i love spongebob so i love that secret lair but everyone hates it lol

pallid ocean
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Still pissed at the pseudo amonkhet return not having deserts

maiden widget
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I want the token from it

pallid ocean
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It's very tounge in cheek

maiden widget
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I miss FF secret Lair

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I’m crying

pallid ocean
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Tho my entire secret lair experience has been it's not worth the time or money

lusty igloo
pallid ocean
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I was late and was happy to not spend the money

lusty igloo
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i didnt like FF secret lair

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art wasnrt pretty

maiden widget
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The only one that worth my time is Deadpool

pallid ocean
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Reprint value was really good tho

maiden widget
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I bought it for a deadly rollic

pallid ocean
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The only secret lair I own is the Sheldon menery one

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And I got it for close to MSRP aftermarket

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I really really want a holiday gift bundle

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But it seems impossible for MSRP rn

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Sad because that FF16 art is one of my favorites

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I was planning on getting that yshtola playmat but it's too expensive

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But my LGS had this for half the price

lusty igloo
pallid ocean
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They split up one of the eeveelution premium box sets

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I was like that's really cute

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Fk it I'll buy it over the yshtola one

lusty igloo
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what does the yshtola one look like

maiden widget
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The Blue yshtola prolly

pallid ocean
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Yea

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It's that and the nights blessed art

lusty igloo
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oh ehhhhh

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art on eeveelotuions is better

maiden widget
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I bought the crux of fate playmat

pallid ocean
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Yea

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Is that the FF16 art?

maiden widget
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It’s 14

pallid ocean
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Oh right the hraesvalgr and nidhogg one

maiden widget
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If you run eye of nighog you should run crux of fate

pallid ocean
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It's the holofoil playmat so it's even more expensive

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Plus Eevee is cuter

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So I just bought what gave me more dopamine

maiden widget
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I need emet playmat

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But it’s $40

pallid ocean
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The full playmat is really nice

maiden widget
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Eh I’m a Pokémon professor so I have too many pokemon mats lol

pallid ocean
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Yea the ultrapro mats are just not worth the money for me

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I don't ever get pokemon stuff usually so it's not too bad for me

maiden widget
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Ok anyone please give me a good board wipe for this deck pronto

pallid ocean
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[[slaughter the strong]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Realistically speaking, there are just a ton of good ones

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And you can prob get them all for the price of a cyclonic rift 😂

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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It's also much cheaper than that 6c version

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I'm also a fan of [[desynchronization]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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I think it's underplayed in yshtola

lusty igloo
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all eenemy commanders are legendary to boot which already hurts a lot

lusty igloo
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the problem is they can also pick what htey keep

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but it's 3 mana

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so all in all still a top-tier choice

pallid ocean
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I like it since my list runs more legendary creatures

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The card is good but such a flavor fail for the deck

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Slaughter the strong that is

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Idk if toxic deluge is worth it in the deck

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It hits yshtola just as hard

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But I've heard blas edict is also good

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When she's not board so...

lusty igloo
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i think the bosardwipes we're running with are already enough

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we dont need more there's already like 6 good ones

Farewell, Promise of Loyalty, Single Combat, Slaughter the Strong, Starfall Invocation, Tragic Arrogance

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cyclonic ig if you wanna use another gamechanger for it (i wouldnt)

pallid ocean
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So I'm of the mind that farewell isn't good

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In that it just ends up prolonging games

lusty igloo
pallid ocean
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It's definitely the best board wipe

lusty igloo
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idk just a few of teh games it was my only out

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i had 2 of those. won one, lost the other. game was definitely prolonged though

pallid ocean
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Ik it's a hot take

lusty igloo
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one game i was vs someone who copied 12 of my solitary confinements, drew their whole deck almost, and copied their commander 72 times. nothing else wouldve saved me

other was someone who was playing to win through insanely largre amount of tokens and artifacts

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yeah it's a fine take

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i still the lost the first game

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they played a card where they had the option to not draw if they wanted to. their commander forces everyone to draw. i got milled

pallid ocean
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That said, my main deck is a boardwipe less token deck

lusty igloo
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i also had solitary confinement and they couldnt get through it

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oh lol

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i run like no artifacts

pallid ocean
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Farewell does get better if you lean heavily into either artifacts or enchantments

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Since you choose all but them

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Maybe no graveyard if you run emets

pallid ocean
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Nope, actually heavily

lusty igloo
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dont you just exile all your own artifacts/enchantments

pallid ocean
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Like a ton of artifact mana and synergy

lusty igloo
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i though it's better if yo dont have much of either

pallid ocean
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You choose all but the one you have

lusty igloo
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oh

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true

pallid ocean
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It's also why I'm pro artifacts over enchantress since enchantress side doesn't have mana

sacred galleon
surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Flawless maneuver is one that's commonly seen

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Mostly because it's another free spell

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Dawns truce is 2 cmc but good too

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[[grand crescendo]] is a personal favorite but not exactly fitting for most builds

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Respectively to budget [[ clever concealment]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
pallid ocean
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Infinites are not fun if tutored

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Tho 3 card combo is perfectly fine imo

lusty igloo
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sorry cut off the bototm part

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im wondering if i should add papa if i already run citadel + top

pallid ocean
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Why not imo

lusty igloo
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in my head the 1 dmg is pointless

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if i cast one cmc 3+ i do 3 dmg

pallid ocean
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It's a slow builder

lusty igloo
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if he was 2 dmg he'd be an insane include

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but 1... idk about that

pallid ocean
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It's also 2 cmc and it's a sac

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Think of it as a bonus to every non creature spell

lusty igloo
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are you running papa?

pallid ocean
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I cast my mana rock and it pings 1

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I run it since I play a more FFXIV flavour focused deck

lusty igloo
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ah that's right

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ill just add it to my deck and see how it performs

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rather than judging from theoreticals

pallid ocean
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I however do not run citadel and top

lusty igloo
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do u believe other gamechangers are stornger or other reason

pallid ocean
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Strongest imo is fierce guardianship, smoth and force of will

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I'm running rhystic over force because I own it and it yearns to be used

lusty igloo
pallid ocean
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Citadel could be better than rhystic

lusty igloo
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im going to try bolas for ~5-6 times before i switch to FOW

pallid ocean
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Hard to decide

lusty igloo
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ive literally never played it a single time

pallid ocean
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You're too targeted to have the life to abuse it imo

lusty igloo
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im usually just too scared to commit 6 mana instead of holding the mana for interaction

pallid ocean
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If you play top

lusty igloo
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thats if ur lucky

pallid ocean
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Tho you should still save mana for a counter at least

lusty igloo
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sensei hadnt come in mail yet

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but i dont want bolas citadel if it's literally dead without top

pallid ocean
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Tho I really should consider it

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I am playing brainstorm

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Cause endwalker....

lusty igloo
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oh lol

pallid ocean
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3 GC slots are tight for blue

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It's so sad t pro doesn't make the cut

lusty igloo
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does tpro desserve to be a gahmechanger idk

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i never play it now that it is one

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but it might be too strong to not be one. n_shrug

pallid ocean
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It's the best protection spell

pallid ocean
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Huh I just remembered this card existed

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[[logic knot]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Yeah I got a copy recently

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I don't think I'll ever use it but it's funny

pallid ocean
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I was looking at old powercrept modern cards

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Mostly after being reminded wrenn and six went from 80 to 16 and being the king of powercreep in MH1 to being powerrcrept out of modern

wide quiver
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It has a cool futuresight border

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[[logic knot|FUT]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Man that is nice

wide quiver
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Future sight borders 🤤

pallid ocean
wide quiver
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I don't know how ot feel about that

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One one hand, FS

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On the other, top

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
pallid ocean
wide quiver
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Staples 🤢

pallid ocean
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It also led to me finally owning a TOR

wide quiver
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What all did you trade for?

pallid ocean
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Mostly traded it in since i wanted about 160+ worth of FF singles

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My masterpiece lotus petal

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He topped it up with cash

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I think it's about 360 in singles and 240 in cash for the lotus petal

wide quiver
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Whew

pallid ocean
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It's the EA surge foil TOR so that's a pretty penny

high vine
pallid ocean
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I had the lotus petal in my collection for years and it was not doing much other than sentimental value

pallid ocean
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You don't need necropotence in yshtola imo, you have enough draw

high vine
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Not enough money for FOW sadly 😅

high vine
maiden widget
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Lmao drawing like 3-9 per trigger is gross ngl

high vine
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Curiosity is fun. ^^

pallid ocean
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That said, I'm currently planning on using rhystic as my 3rd GC

high vine
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Also man my table recently really underestimated my Talion 😂

pallid ocean
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I could swap it to citadel tho

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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[[sevinne reclamation]]

surreal shoalBOT
high vine
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Yeah 😂

pallid ocean
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I mean there aren't any good targets?

high vine
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Yeah maybe use it for my Sythis Enchantment Deck instead

pallid ocean
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It's good in landfall

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Since lands count

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But yshtola is a instant/sorceries deck

high vine
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Yeah and she as Commander is also 4 Mana so you can't get her Back through it

wide quiver
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Just hope nobody counterspells your reanimate

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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It's weird to do conscious cuts to the deck

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Like some cards are just too unfun to be played against

wide quiver
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sigil of sleep

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cough

maiden widget
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Nah

pallid ocean
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Sigil of sleep/ghastlord comes to mind

maiden widget
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Card is fair

wide quiver
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It guarentees you'll be hte target every game after

pallid ocean
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Tbf I play in a pod where aura shards and constant mists are seen even if they take a GC slot...

wide quiver
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They deserve it then lol

pallid ocean
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I did run aura shards in my deck till the GC apocalypse hit my hazezon

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1 to 6 in a single day

maiden widget
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I just use the “I’m new to the game and YouTube told me to put it in”

wide quiver
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It might be cool to take yshtola in a different direction with living weapon effects

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Make it more of a token and artifact deck

maiden widget
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I use Graha Tia as commander

wide quiver
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Yeah probably

pallid ocean
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Someone did that in the general chat today

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I was discussing the deck with him

maiden widget
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If I feel silly

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I do infect yshtola

wide quiver
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I don't know if that's silly lol

pallid ocean
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My take on it is that while flavorful, there aren't enough good hero generators

wide quiver
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Just sounds effective

pallid ocean
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There are 3/4 good infect cards iirc?

maiden widget
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Well I don’t want to get uninvited to the table

pallid ocean
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Grafted, phyresis and something

wide quiver
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Well you can include For Mirrodin stuff as well as stuff like [[bitterthorn]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Honestly I don't think it's that mean

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You're still forced to cast 5 spells while protecting yshtola

wide quiver
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If you cast 5 spells then you'll likely win anyways

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It just puts an even larger target on your back

maiden widget
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I mean Frantic search , rewind, unwind, and 2 random spell

pallid ocean
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Someone in my pod has a sick Niko deck that can turn all the shards into infect

pallid ocean
wide quiver
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Is it sick because it's infected?

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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Its not an infect deck tbf, it's a bounce deck with infect lines

maiden widget
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Make yshtola a bounce deck

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Wait

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Sigil of sleep

pallid ocean
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You have mono U yshtola

maiden widget
pallid ocean
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Doesn't work

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It bounces enemies only iirc

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[[sigil of sleep]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Nvm

pallid ocean
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It can't deal dmg to you

maiden widget
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I mean Sigil is fair ngl

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Only bounce creatures

pallid ocean
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I think it's less about fair more about oppressive

high vine
pallid ocean
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They don't get to play the game

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Same with ghastlord

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Honestly my pod plays bracket 3 decks that feel like 4

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The only thing we discourage is tutoring for infinites

maiden widget
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Someone ask me to play on a high 2 table lastnight

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So I cut GC

pallid ocean
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2 card infinites are fine if you don't tutor for them

maiden widget
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Then a Dude slam down Bolas’s cidetal

pallid ocean
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Also people just consciously avoid playing them even when possible

wide quiver
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Honestly, most GCs are pointless without context

pallid ocean
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It's mostly seen as stealing the win

wide quiver
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Like, Narset is fine without wheels, tutors are fine without huge payoffs, etc

pallid ocean
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CROP ROTATION IS NOT GC LEVEL

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Unless you have the swiss army knife of mana bases

maiden widget
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It’s broken thou

high vine
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Yeah infinites is where I Draw the Line. I May play 5-6 GCs, but No infinites 😂

pallid ocean
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90% of people playing crop rotation do not use it at GC level

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It's just a mana fixer

wide quiver
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Bolas's citadel is a one card banger though

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So I think you can look at it in a vacuum mostly

pallid ocean
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It does a ton in yshtola imo, mostly because it's mana cheating

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And that's the most lacking part of her decks

maiden widget
wide quiver
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Yeah, it's great in yshtola

pallid ocean
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It's also pretty cheap for a GC

maiden widget
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I play through the ages version

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So people can’t get too mad

pallid ocean
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Oh wtf, the FF version foil is $100

wide quiver
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White bordered ones just came out in MB2 right/

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I should get one

pallid ocean
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Nvm I'll stick to my promo version I got months ago

maiden widget
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[[kefka’s tower]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Yeah paid $11 for this lol

pallid ocean
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It's weird I was buying pieces for an Edgar Markov deck that went nowhere

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Tho I think it ended up being just Vito and bolas citadel

maiden widget
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The art look sick ngl

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I’m looking for replacement for Vito

pallid ocean
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I did pull a [[shantoto coercion]]

surreal shoalBOT
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No card found for “shantoto coercion”

pallid ocean
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[[shantottos coercion]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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It'll prob make the cut in the deck

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Is it optimal, not really

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Is the art a banger, definitely

maiden widget
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Who are you sac thou

pallid ocean
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I run quite a few legendary creatures

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Itll be one of them

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Or a token from Hermes/graha

maiden widget
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Is there a card that gains life when your opponent lose life ?

pallid ocean
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Yes

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[[sanguine blood]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Sorcery
This spell costs mana1 less to cast for each 1 life your opponents have lost this turn.
Target opponent exiles the top three cards of their library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards. If you cast a spell this way, mana of any type can be spent to cast it.

Sanguine Morass
Land
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add manab or manar.
All who enter the bog despair, for the first thing it steals is hope.

pallid ocean
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[[bloodthirsty conqueror]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Wait

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Is it infinite with Vito ?

pallid ocean
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[[sanguine bond]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Yes

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There are like 4/5 cards

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[[bloodthirster of a]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Ixalan dude

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I cannot spell it

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Alcalotz?

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[[bloodletter of a]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Wait so you tell me just with one extra card I can make my deck go infinite

pallid ocean
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[[bloodletter of aclazotz]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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[[enduring tenacity]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Yep, bloodletter or conqueror

pallid ocean
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There's a ton

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It's a very boring way to win tho

wide quiver
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Though, if you play one piece of the two piece combo, I will target you like no other

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^^

pallid ocean
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My table doesn't play the infinite usually even though it's in their deck

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They don't actively tutor for it at least

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Lifegain decks are a pain even without the combo

high vine
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Honestly when you are in Mardu colors you Sometimes need to Play dirty to make Up for the Lack of Blue and Green 😅

maiden widget
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Sometime table thinks I’m too mean for playing yshtola control

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So I play grouphug

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And they also not a big fan either

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I can’t make everyone happy

wide quiver
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Define grouphug

maiden widget
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Bumbleflower

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😂

wide quiver
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My bumbleflower deck is certainly not grouphug

maiden widget
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I let them draw

high vine
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Make everyone Deck Out with Bumbelflower xD

wide quiver
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If you target someone to draw, it's not grouphug tbh

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I tried that with [[forced fruition]] for a while

surreal shoalBOT
high vine
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[[mindcrank]]

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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Yshtola mill ?

pallid ocean
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It never works

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They have too many cards

maiden widget
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Not if

high vine
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Their is an Infinite with mincrank

maiden widget
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[[jidoor]]

surreal shoalBOT
high vine
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Mindcrank + [[Bloodchief Ascension]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
#

So about bloodchief ascension

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Is it worth it in the deck

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I was thinking prob not

high vine
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I have it and it can be brutal, especially, if opponents Play a lot of non permanentes

fervent burrow
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It does turn into "if you cast a instant/sorcery and I have a response it's 4 life" but it's such a crowded slot for me

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Not even to mention death of cards/mills

high vine
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Yeah it also comes online Within 1-2 Turns usually with relative ease.
I Play [[Luminarch Ascension]] in my Enchantment Deck and that is Harder to enable 😂 😂

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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So tbf, I did play against it 2 weeks ago

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And it did do a ton of dmg

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I had the opportunity to buy the 2XM BDL foil but it wasn't worth it

high vine
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Had a Game this week Had Hullbreaker Horror, Y'shtola with Curiosity, Talion and Bloodchief it was brutal 😂 😂

pallid ocean
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It's almost 2x the price of the normal/etched

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On a weird note of FF, people are now selling the art cards

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I think I saw a signed yshtola go over 15?

maiden widget
maiden widget
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So if [[exquisite blood]] [[vito]] [[y’shtola, night]]

surreal shoalBOT
#

Multiple cards match “vito”, can you be more specific?

maiden widget
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On field at the same time and you trigger yshtola you win the game ?

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[[vito, thorn]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Yes

fervent burrow
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Though you could also trigger it with anything. That's a very generic combo noy a yshtola combo

wide quiver
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That's one of the many 2 card combos with that type of effect

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😴

lusty igloo
#

how bad is [[helm of the host]]

surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
#

it's too slow right? or not right

maiden widget
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You spend 9 mana for it is kinda steep for this deck no ?

lusty igloo
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yeah

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what im thinking of is all the random times ive played where someone equips their helm and gets like 5 clones

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and no one cares about it

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but i think with better players that doesnt happen. i dont think they'll allow yshtola to do it either. idk

maiden widget
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I think the blue spell copy is better lol

pallid ocean
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What clones do we play again?

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Irenicus, quantum, anymore?

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Also prob not worth it but I love this card [[heliod warped]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
mana3manaup: Transform Heliod. Activate only as a sorcery. (manaup can be paid with either manau or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4

Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost mana1 less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6

wide quiver
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I also love Heliod

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[[spark double]] is okay too

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Creature though

pallid ocean
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Yea it's the one eh point for me

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There's also auton soldier but he's more for ETB

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Not sure if you get any timing to actually cast any instants before legend rule sacrifices the rest in this specific instance

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[[ratadrabik of urborg]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
#

Interesting card

wide quiver
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I have a copy in my spongebob deck

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That has some 40 legendaries though

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If the point is to use it as protection, then there are better ways eh?

pallid ocean
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Pretty much

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[[boromir, warden]] for anti yshtola while being in yshtola

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Also [[painful quandary]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
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Not particularly synergistic but painful

pallid ocean
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Would y'all play [[sephiroth, fabled soldier]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Avatar Soldier
Whenever Sephiroth enters or attacks, you may sacrifice another creature. If you do, draw a card.
Whenever another creature dies, target opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life. If this is the fourth time this ability has resolved this turn, transform Sephiroth.
3/3

Sephiroth, One-Winged Angel
Legendary Creature — Angel Nightmare Avatar
Flying
Super Nova — As this creature transforms into Sephiroth, One-Winged Angel, you get an emblem with "Whenever a creature dies, target opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life."
Whenever Sephiroth attacks, you may sacrifice any number of other creatures. If you do, draw that many cards.
5/5

fervent burrow
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Maybe in a full token deck but even then I don't think so

pallid ocean
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I think it's more just good stuff incidental drain

wide quiver
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Nah

wide quiver
#

I wonder if max speed things are usable here

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vnwxt maybe for the lols

pallid ocean
wide quiver
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lol good point

pallid ocean
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It's also really slow

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4 turns

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Oh wait it's even worse

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It only triggers on your turn

wide quiver
#

Yeah lol

marsh solar
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I was going to suggest those, as well as curiosity for card draw

fervent burrow
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Curiosity I can get downw with, but infect you need to insta kill orbget an even bigger targee

wide quiver
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^^

maiden widget
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What protection spell are we running ?

marsh solar
pallid ocean
pallid ocean
#

I would rather run [[norns annex]]

surreal shoalBOT
pallid ocean
#

Ofc prop/ghostly are the first choices

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Authority of the consuls also good for slowing the game down and helping you lifegain

wide quiver
#

[[smoke bomb]] ought to be funny

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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Sink into stupor is a good choice

pallid ocean
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I can see the deck becoming tax heavy

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It's the best MDFC

marsh solar
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[[Kaya’s ghostform]] is one of my favorites. It even works against wipes.

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
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[[waterlogged teaching]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Instant
Search your library for an instant card or a card with flash, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
The long-dead librarians are still on hand to recommend selected titles.

Inundated Archive
Land
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add manau or manab.
Moldering tomes line rotting shelves. Generations of priceless knowledge fade from memory beneath the waves.

marsh solar
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I might be crazy, but I think [[tefiri, time raveler]] is a good choice

surreal shoalBOT
maiden widget
#

Honestly been considering teferi

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[[revenge of ravens]]

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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[[beseech the mirror]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Sorcery
Bargain (You may sacrifice an artifact, enchantment, or token as you cast this spell.)
Search your library for a card, exile it face down, then shuffle. If this spell was bargained, you may cast the exiled card without paying its mana cost if that spell's mana value is 4 or less. Put the exiled card into your hand if it wasn't cast this way.

marsh solar
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Might be useful, 2 procs for 4 mana

wide quiver
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You want to bargain which is awkward

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And it's sorcery speed which I don't love.

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All Teferis seem good, yeah

marsh solar
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[[ophidian eye]] might be preferable over curiosity for proc

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
#

What about [[protection racket]]?

surreal shoalBOT
marsh solar
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it seems like a riskier way to get cards, but it might not be for this commander

wide quiver
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I don't like it

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Especially if we're running certain tutors for specific cards

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And yeah, we run both ophidian and curiosity

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[[temple is under attack]] is alright. Cool as a secret rendezvous effect too.

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I like flexibility

fervent burrow
maiden widget
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Best card from the deck arrived

fervent burrow
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If protection racket went on each enemy upkeep, I'd be more inclined

marsh solar
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[[misleading signpost]] is decent for a mana rock, also gives a bit of humor

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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I like it a lot, yeah

marsh solar
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I thought [[killing wave]] might be a good wipe for Y’shtola. Thoughts?

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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[[shorikai, genesis engine]] might be good for the token route tbh

surreal shoalBOT
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Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
mana1, manat: Draw two cards, then discard a card. Create a 1/1 colorless Pilot creature token with "This token crews Vehicles as though its power were 2 greater."
Crew 8 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 8 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
Shorikai, Genesis Engine can be your commander.
8/8

marsh solar
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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10 mana is impossible though

marsh solar
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True true

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[[bitterblossom]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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Yeah, bitterblossom is always good. Spendy though.

marsh solar
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What are y’all running for graveyard control?

fervent burrow
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Graveyard hate?

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(Just making sure I'm on the same page)

marsh solar
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my favorite with access to Black is definitely [[grave consequences]]

surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
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I've got Bojuka Bog and Scav Grounds in the lands, and rest in peace in my back pocket if I feel the need to add one

wide quiver
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Those two lands in addition to [[szats will]]

surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
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And I swear I put something else in too

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is [[polluted bonds]] too toxic? 😅

surreal shoalBOT
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No. It's very high mv and I wouldn't really consider running it tbh.

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I'd rather run [[quandary]]

surreal shoalBOT
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It does hurt landfall players, true. But very slowly.

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[[waterlogged teaching]] I’m thinking this might be ok ?

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Or is it too expensive ?

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I like it

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It's a [[mystical teachings]] that makes sure you don't miss a land drop.

surreal shoalBOT
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I like [[lorien revealed]] too

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Silly question

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How does the [[waterlogged teaching]]

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Instant
Search your library for an instant card or a card with flash, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
The long-dead librarians are still on hand to recommend selected titles.

Inundated Archive
Land
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add manau or manab.
Moldering tomes line rotting shelves. Generations of priceless knowledge fade from memory beneath the waves.

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Work ?

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You can only use one side per game ?

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You either play the front side (The instant) or the back side (The land)

maiden widget
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Make sense that what I figure

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Free yshtola trigger

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I like bouncelands if I run a lot of mdfcs because you can bounce them back to your hand and use the spell side.

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I like bouncelands in general tbh

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Mana positive with unwind and rewind

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Wait

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[[fell the profane]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Play it as a land so you don't miss your land drop, then play [[azorius chancery]] to bounce it back to your hand and play the front side.

surreal shoalBOT
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Ezpz

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Land enter tapped

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Ew

marsh solar
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If I go in on all the 2 side land thingy

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return a colorless util land, and boom

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I would run bouce land

marsh solar
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[[horizon of progress]] during someone elses turn

surreal shoalBOT
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any thoughts on [[chainer's torment]]?

surreal shoalBOT
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or [[talion, the kindly lord]]

surreal shoalBOT
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I like talion

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Planning to pick it up

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surreal shoalBOT
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You have to tap 4 anyway

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/jk

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lol, I keep coming back to this card, I just love it too much I guess [[brigid, hero of kinsbaile]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Give it death touch

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Menace

marsh solar
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yea, [[basilisk collar]]

surreal shoalBOT
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too many pieces for the deathtouch in this deck imho, I just love it for keeping the board clean, since you can do it during anyone's combat

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What do you think could use death touch in this deck?

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Nothing really in my deck. Yshtola wants lifelink.

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I mean too many pieces are needed to add deathtouch to brigid

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so I'd leave it out

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Yeah, agreed

marsh solar
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if only [[kusarigama]] wasn't only combat damage... that'd be mean

surreal shoalBOT
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it does make me want to make an [[odric, lunarch marshal]] deck though

surreal shoalBOT
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same

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keyword soup seems fun, but chaotic and difficult

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at least for me

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Just find a way to reanimate [[zetalpa]]

surreal shoalBOT
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Stuff like [[urborg scavengers]] is really interesting too

surreal shoalBOT
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Black though obviously

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And you can exile a zetalpa with it obv

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Orzhov keyword soup maybe? [[akroma, vision of ixidor]] and [[falthis shadowcat]]

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Flying, first strike, vigilance, trample
At the beginning of each combat, until end of turn, each other creature you control gets +1/+1 if it has flying, +1/+1 if it has first strike, and so on for double strike, deathtouch, haste, hexproof, indestructible, lifelink, menace, protection, reach, trample, vigilance, and partner.
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[[hashaton, scarab's fist]] is an excellent cmdr for it

surreal shoalBOT
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Oh yeah, that could work

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then you could have [[wonder]] and such easily in the gy