#Teval Brew part 2 lets go

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unique path
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So you need blue mana to keep cracking ceohalid. And green to keep using this ability

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Seems complicated lmao

wraith loom
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Or have yavimaya out

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So you go crack Cephalid, grab blue green green lands

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You’re also dredging 18 each time

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So you have even more options

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Just always grab ggb

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You essentially mill your entire deck

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You just need 3 loops of it

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3 lands per 18 is rly easy

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You’d need 3 extra blue mana or kheru out

unique path
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None of that makes sense. You have to draw 3. So you have to have 3 dredge creatures in thr gy. Or spend the mana with floral 3 times while the draws are on the stack. And then the lands etb

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Thenyou have to get ceohalid again. And spend 1 mana to do it again

wraith loom
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So you can hold the stack between draws

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You dredge instead of drawing

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The land comes back

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Untapped

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Tap the land

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Discard

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Dredge

unique path
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It's a finite loop right. You don't get infinite mana here

wraith loom
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Yeah

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You don’t

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But you mill 52 cards

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For 6 mana

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You’d need another piece

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Which you’ll probably mill

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Correction / you’d need to have two dredge cards

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But still functions the same

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Anyways even if it’s not a loop it’s a lot of value

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A better example would be horizon of progress with blossoming tortoise out

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That one is infinite

frigid cairn
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Culling ritual is the promo for ff expac here's hoping I actually get my hands on one

wraith loom
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I hope I can get any ff

wraith loom
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I’m rly happy with my brew ^~^ ppl have been complimenting it

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I think it’s rly funny to just be able to win with lands

unique path
wraith loom
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But often wins aren’t until t6-7 at the earliest versus 4-5

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Which is more fitting with the bracket philosophy

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unique path
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I'm not sure if I can win 6 7 or 8. Mine takes longer
I'll start tracking

wraith loom
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:3

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Also hedge shredder feels super underwhelming

floral sigil
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I just don't like alt arts and stylized cards in general

wraith loom
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I hope the Miku swan song causes u extra suffering

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I love saying get miku song’d

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I almost want the SpongeBob counterspells

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Over mana drain

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I feel like I never cast hedge shredder tbh

floral sigil
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I like the miku ones actually. At least that looks like a magic card.

wraith loom
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Unless I happen to draw it t5 with teval out

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If it was 3 mana I’d love it sm

floral sigil
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And yeah, I totally agree with you about hedge shredder. I tried running it for a while, but it was just totally underwhelming

wraith loom
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It’s a do nothing for 4 mana

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Teval at least can get you zombies if you have a trigger

floral sigil
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Though in my case, that had more to do with the fact that my deck needs the right land at the right time, rather than just a critical mass of them

wraith loom
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I have a lot of ways of getting lands out the yard too

unique path
wraith loom
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Also floral feels rly bad if you’re not in straight reanimator/have a dredge in hand

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The synergy is nice but 80% of the time when I played it I’d rather it just be a crucible of worlds

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Tireless provisioner should have been in the deck

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Insane

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unique path
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I own one can can slot it in. Good point

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I don't run floral

floral sigil
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Yeah I also don't run floral. Which seems weird, because "go tall" is the whole strategy of my deck, so +1/+1 counters on landfall should be a perfect fit. But when I ran it, it was just very underwhelming. The 2nd effect is just "ok" and it has no built in evasion, so its hard to make use of it becoming big

unique path
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Moss born insanely better. Kills someone if there is no answer

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I might run Tifa for the same reason

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I can bring in 5 lands a turn

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unique path
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I don't run ob he's expensive but I can always slot back in

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I mean 5 lands a turn is 15 life. That makes a difference

floral sigil
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Ob Nix getting big is nice enough on its own, but the pings are a really big deal, yeah. Having him on the field when you resolve something like Will of the Sultai or Lumra is just incredible

wraith loom
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Surprised you guys don’t run squandered and aftermath

unique path
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I own squandered I don't run it there. I don't have worldshaper but could add. Aftermath isn't Impressive to me

floral sigil
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I tried aftermath for a while, but ended up cutting it. It goes back to what I said before, that for my deck, it matters way more to get the right land at the right time, as apposed to just getting a mass of lands. Lumra and Will are worthwhile in my deck because aside from just giving a mass of lands, they also synergize with my primary strategy of going tall.

Squandered Resources is an interesting card that might be worth running in my deck, but it’s pretty expensive. I do proxy when needed, but I’m still trying to keep my deck within a certain price limit, just as a deckbuilding restriction

unique path
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I would run squandered if I had multiple ways to get lands back en masse. Reclamation. Aftermath. Lumra. World shaper

floral sigil
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Hmm good point. I don’t think I considered the synergy between those

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frigid cairn
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Went drafting today and got insiduous fungus I think I'll put it into the deck

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Got a verge land too but unfortunately it's da wrong color

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(Cheapest one too)

unique path
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[[Insidious fungus]]

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unique path
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[[Elvish reclaimer]] probably better off

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frigid cairn
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Yeah but that's a 4 buck card from ages ago and also it's not artifact enchantment removal

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The role is kinda different w

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I had my own land searcher too in wight of the reliquary

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Been trying my damnest to get a bojuka bog though no luck

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If anything the ff precon I am buying have demolition field so I can have some better land hate

floral sigil
# unique path [[Elvish reclaimer]] probably better off

Insidious fungus is a near mandatory card for the deck imo. Because you run it as a removal card, that just so happens to also be able to put a land into play if there is nothing to remove. Land dropping is not its primary role

unique path
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floral sigil
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Haywire Mite has a better removal effect, sure. But there is value in flexibility. There’s also no reason you can’t run both if you want to

unique path
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[[Caustic caterpillar]] old school style

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unique path
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There's been a bunch of other similar since

floral sigil
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Insidious Fungus and [[Cankerbloom]] are the two that I consider staples

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frigid cairn
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I do like having removals that are like on guys because I am always fearful of my colossal grave reaver just milling jack shit

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or more value from rez effect

unique path
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Yea I still play like 20 instants even though they mostly get milled. It's always nice to have a counter in hand or something

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Glen elandra is a powerhouse

frigid cairn
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would you play live or die in a teval rez or is it too expensive

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I get that I'd be better off with something like reanimate or stitch together but I don't have them

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not rn

unique path
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[[Live or die]]

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unique path
modest lodgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/131/necromancy

Necromancy <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
You may cast this spell as though it had flash. If you cast it any time a sorcery couldn't have been cast, the controller of the permanent it becomes sacrifices it at the beginning of the next cleanup step.
When this enchantment enters, if it's on the battlefield, it becomes an Aura with "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with Necromancy." Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control and attach this enchantment to it. When this enchantment leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.

unique path
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[[Wake the dead]]

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wraith loom
wraith loom
unique path
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I remember looping world shaper with chainer dementia master. And zuran orb. And squandered and a sac outlet. Infinite life. Etb and death triggers. And Infinite mana

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That's like a 6 card combo though

wraith loom
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All you need is both in gy and shifting on field with 8 open mana

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You activate shifting twice, targeting squandered and aftermath

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Holding priority you sac all your lands, then use the 7 mana to trigger aftermath, netting you 3 and returning every land

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So you can do the loop indefinitely

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You just can’t do it more than once a turn unless you have like I think 12 mana ?

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Or spelunking/tiller engine out

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Yeah if you have 17 lands you can do it indefinitely

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Or 8 with squandered out

unique path
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8 is easy with squandered out

unique path
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[[Lazav thr multifarious]]

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unique path
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There's a card similar for 3 cmc in someone's deck I saw this

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Could also be good

unique path
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[[Likeness looter]]

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unique path
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Lazav can do at instant speed and doesn't care about having itself and another legendary out

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Looter has flying. Always good

wraith loom
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Likeness looter is cool but theirs better options

floral sigil
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Went to a new LGS last night. Played 1 game with Teval. It dragged on super long, because there was a mono white blink deck. Their Elish Norn shut down my landfall triggers, so Ob Nixilis couldn’t get any bigger. Norn eventually got removed, so I pumped Ob Nix up to like a 30/30 then flung it with Jarad for the win

frigid cairn
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I wish I could flung my 40 40 teval to the board for the win, had a situation like that once,

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But Jarad mana cost is a bit annoying for it

unique path
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Finally won a game off titans nest.
Exiled 20 cards to swing at a guy for 56

woeful dew
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Looking into building Teval with the idea of Aristocrats and Tokens. I Also slotted Squirrels into the deck in an attempt to do funny things

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Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations

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Perferably based around the strategies mentioned

wraith loom
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I think it would be stronger too than just randomly adding squirrels

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You can do generic landfall field of the dead+ teval support and then throw in, aristocrat effects and zombie effects

wraith loom
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New one plays more ‘fair’ and is just lands matter zombie swarm

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Still strong just slower and less consistent

frigid cairn
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Would you play kishla village in teval list

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It's like 50 cent so I just nab one

wraith loom
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Bad rates for surveil and comes in tapped worse case

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It’s not a bad budget option tho

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Id run the surveil duals over it

frigid cairn
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Do you mean the tapped surveil

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Also realizing so much of the card I'd like for a resurrect build are in the death toll precon and nobody have spares of those

unique path
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frigid cairn
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it's like bojuka bog, poluted cistern, reanimate, haywire mite, viridescent bog etc

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there IS a death toll precon near me I can buy but I'm mild on the idea of buying a precon purely to rip it apart for cards

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I'm not against it but it's also just not that good value wise'

unique path
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Yea for 5 cards just buy singles

frigid cairn
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that's what I am trying to do!

unique path
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I got my spelunking cut mycrotyrant for it I never got to test him but thats fine

wraith loom
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What does your list look like

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@unique path

unique path
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I'll update tonight and share again

frigid cairn
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[[extract from darkness]] just dug this out of the bulks how do we feel about it

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floral sigil
wraith loom
unique path
wraith loom
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Can I see the list if you don’t mind

wraith loom
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Or rise of the witch king

unique path
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Might be 5 card difference

wraith loom
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God I hate archidekt

floral sigil
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I hear so many people say this, and I just do not get it.

wraith loom
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It exports like trash the layout sucks and the tools are convoluted and theirs so much bloat

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That you have to navigate

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Like I’ll have to individually add each card to mox

floral sigil
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What are you talking about? Moxfield and Arcidekt use exactly the same export format

wraith loom
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Which I didn’t realize

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So you have to edit it then paste the list

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The download option is just broken

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It doesn’t import from arch-mox

wraith loom
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You can swap exanginate for rise of the dark realms or crater or whatever finisher you want

unique path
wraith loom
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This was just a quick put together tho so it’s not super thought out but it’s still strong since the core of the landfall package is just broken

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I kept out multiple tutors since I wasn’t sure if you liked them

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wraith loom
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Yeah I can change that for sure

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You just gotta cut the upper end

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But that would mean adding future

unique path
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It was one bad showing of the deck. The worst in fact. Because I kept a garbage hand that didn't give me all 3 colors until like turn 5

wraith loom
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Tutors

unique path
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Typically I have a really good time piloting it

wraith loom
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I added multiple late game threats bc of the lack of tutors

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But if you don’t mind I can condense the package a lot

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With heavy interaction you need a lot of draw to balance it

wraith loom
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Like I think the issue you’re facing is not having a strong direction

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You’re trying to be aristocrats and landfall and self mill and reanimate while also being a control deck and having heavy interaction and some of the themes don’t support each other or have a lot of inherent synergies,

unique path
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I'm not trying to reanimate stuff at all. I have living death. Dread return and Victimize

glad sparrow
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Buying a copy of this precon for my wife

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What are the must have upgrades?

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Without like, rebuilding the whole deck

unique path
devout crescent
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[[Gilt leaf druid]]

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floral sigil
devout crescent
unique path
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Over rated card lmao

wraith loom
# glad sparrow What are the must have upgrades?

Kheru, muldrotha, cithonian nightmare , titans nest, blossoming tortoise, spelunking, aftermath analyst, tireless provisioner, ripples of undeath, insidious roots, golgari grave troll, stinkweed imp, buried alive, tortured existence, lotus light dancers, the gitrog monster probably for a really solid 15 cards. You can throw in Warren soultrader and Ayara/zulaport for a infinite combo

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Just adding more self mill/recursion basically

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Psychic frog if you can afford it too combos really well with gitrog

wraith loom
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This is what I would change

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frigid cairn
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Came across a tabletop shop near me that had like entire modern horizon 3 precons opened and then chucked into bulk box I'm taking suggestion any cool teval cards to look for

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frigid cairn
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I hear about the funny combo that let u make 2020s for free might ad well get it now that I have an easy chance to

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And ramunap is just good

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There were some filter land too I got some that I missed getting last time

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And I also got some cheaper removal

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Beast within, two cost black removal, ect

floral sigil
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If you’re adding Dark Depths to the deck you should also add [[Mutated Cultist]] and [[Shifting Woodlands]] if you don’t already have them. They are alternative ways to trigger the effect of dark depths. Honestly, they are probably better than thespian stage, because if you use either of them you only have to sacrifice 1 land instead of 2

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frigid cairn
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I can come by again and check if they have mutated cultist, there might be one I skipped out on. shifting woodland is kinda hard though w

unique path
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I'm kinda mad at myself lol we talked about tireless Provisioner and u forgot about it. Easy add on

frigid cairn
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provisioner is mh2 not mh3

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I do think I should really get a provisioner though

unique path
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i think i add cephalid collesium back into deck though

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cut a forest

unique path
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[[Gemstone mine]] need one of these in deck

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unique path
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I think I'll cut phyrexian tower for it. I don't use it to sac things often

floral sigil
# unique path [[Gemstone mine]] need one of these in deck

I don't think this is worth running tbh. The depletion lands are worth it because they tap for 2 mana. Color fixing is not a problem for this deck, so tapping for 1 mana of any color isn't that much of an up side. The fact that it sacrificies itself is still a down side, even though its one teval can play around very easily

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If you really want a color fixing land, something like [[City of Brass]] or [[Mana Confluence]] would be better

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unique path
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Not bad choices. Thought about it because I can use it a few turns then bring it back but there are better options to bring back

wraith loom
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It should play fundamentally the same with better pieces and mill options

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You should put a hedron crab in it

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@unique path

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A lot of the cards I swapped were one for one upgrades

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Cut three removal for ramp

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You should add in a walk-in closet for late game

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But I just wanted to do 1 for 1 swaps

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frigid cairn
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would you run molt tender in teval

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came across one after digging a whole pile of bulk again

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wraith loom
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I’d rather just run bop

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Or delighted or llanowar

unique path
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Bird of paradise and deathrite are the goats

wraith loom
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I didn’t know if you liked it

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I tested the upgraded list and it runs a lot smoother

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I put a few 4-5 card combos in there too

unique path
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I'll definitely look and see soon

frigid cairn
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I mean llanowar is fine but it's just green

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and bop/delighted are expensive

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if I have the money for those I'd rather get a ripples of undeath first

wraith loom
frigid cairn
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yeah skull is still in

wraith loom
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You can do molt

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It’s just not super optimal

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It’s not bad

unique path
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Molt is good for using the non permanents in your gy to get mana and teval triggers

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Why dies everyone love psychic frog

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Was debating on worldshaper. But after math probably better

wraith loom
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Attack with psychic frog, discard a card, draw a card when it hits dredge back card

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Can exile 3 at instant speed to give it flying

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Also triggers teval

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Instant speed exile+ discard is rly good

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Plus with gitrog and dakmor you have an infinite loop

wraith loom
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I made it zombie themed because you had a lot of zombie payoffs

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Swapped syr konrad for dreadhound bc syr konrad doesn’t see triggers when theirs a board wipe

unique path
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If you wipe and konrad is out and 20 creatures die they all take 20

wraith loom
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They don’t

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He says when another

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So he doesn’t see any of them

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Since they’re simultaneously dying

unique path
wraith loom
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Oh I was rules lawyered

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I hate scumbags

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I cut syr konrad bc of that

unique path
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Judge confirmation

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In tolarian community discord

wraith loom
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Yeah I saw

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Also found the ruling

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I was playing online and just believed a random

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Also your list is rly funny

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Have you seen the card tombstone stairwell before

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That + konrad is just game lol

unique path
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Yea

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[[Mindcrank]] and konrad also just ends games

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wraith loom
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Yeah

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It’s just a brick without him tho

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Did you check out the list?

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I’m done editing it

unique path
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I checked it 2 hours ago but not since

wraith loom
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I tried to keep as much interaction as I could

unique path
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I'll check again when I have a moment

wraith loom
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It’s still heavy interaction + emergence zone lets you play any sorcery at instant speed too

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I fixed the mana base and put in a lot more ways to tutor your best lands

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So you can consistently get fotd

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Put in a zombie theme and made thematic swaps/general utility swaps

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(Lumra is will of the sultai + multani in one card)

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You didn’t have a lot of mill or ramp

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Or payoffs for tortured existence

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So I added some

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I swapped the non zombie token producers to zombie token producers

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I kept avenger bc he’s just fun

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I kept colossal bc I think u like it too

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But you can swap avenger for Mirkwood/scute and colossal for sidisi

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And the deck would run better

unique path
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Wow tombstone with ayara or konrad or mirkwood is like insane. Even though the upkeep sucks I mean 4 full rounds of zombies entering and leaving is real good.
I will update my list but I need to add [[crypt breaker]] for the draws.
I cut avenger, gitrog, and added tatyova and titania. I Sac lots of lands.
I'll find a spot for aftermath analyst

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wraith loom
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wraith loom
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If you have six+ life from the loam you can just recast it for free

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Or not free but for the mana cost

unique path
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At that point paying it once and letting it die is good

wraith loom
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But with this version you have access to a shit ton of mana

wraith loom
unique path
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That's a really good drain piece holy moly

wraith loom
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Or scute

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Cutting scute is more thematic

unique path
wraith loom
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They’re also bricks

unique path
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I feel like I'm never upset to see those cards lol

wraith loom
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You don’t rly want to see scute or Mirkwood early

unique path
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Last night a guy pongified teval so I wouldn't get an attack trigger. So I cast Mossborn and he immediately was like I should have saved that pongify lol

wraith loom
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lol

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wraith loom
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The version I made for you cares more about filling the grave early

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Than deploying threats

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Then you just overwhelm them with 200 flying zombies

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Or many other ways

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I made synergistic cuts

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For the zombie theme

unique path
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I haven't seen [[curse of Restless dead]] pay off yet

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wraith loom
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You didn’t have land payoffs

unique path
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The payoff is the land entering

wraith loom
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Aftermath or lumra on a 40 card gy

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Will just swarm you in zombies

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You can cut it for scute for sure

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Like I said it’s thematic

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I can throw them back in if you don’t care about the zombie stuff

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It’s just kinda boring imo

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If you go heavy landfall the decks just better

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But boring

unique path
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Boring is subjective. I get to play 1 or 2x a week maybe.
Working and boring is better than it not working

wraith loom
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Sure

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Igu

wraith loom
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Here’s everything you wanted

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Heavy interaction with fixed ramp and draw

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I tried to find room for the hydra but I couldn’t

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@unique path

unique path
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It's beautiful. I'd cut muldrotha for mossborn and never think twice

wraith loom
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Muldrotha is such an engine in this deck

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You get 3 teval triggers just for playing a land creature and enchantment

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It’s a big way to recover your creatures / permanents

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Specifically lands

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If six gets exiled then you literally have very little way of recovering permanents

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Versus one big stomp dude lol

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I would cut lost monarch

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Or curse of the restless dead

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Probably both with crypt breaker

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And get a different draw engine

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Yeah - lost monarch - mossborn- curse

  • mossborn + balemurk + kelpie
unique path
# wraith loom I would cut lost monarch

I'm with you on this one. It does trigger teval and give my zombies afflict but I could do better things with that slot.
I'll cut that and throw in muldrotha back probably.
Got a new shopping list to grab

unique path
wraith loom
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But yeah

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Overlord is just better

wraith loom
unique path
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Ha it's cool last night I was gonna make it 124 power and sac it to altar of dementia to mill out the stax player but I eon through drain unexpectedly

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Many people have died to hydra

wraith loom
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the list runs really smoothly

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you always want to dredge when available

unique path
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You only need 6 lands to hit 64 power. Easy to do

wraith loom
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always check your gy

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also a lot of the draw engine in the list i made u is in the manabase

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you have 3 cycle lands and 3 sac lands

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teval can get them back if u have a amulet/spelunking out so u can get 2 draws a turn

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i usually just fetch both the surveil duels if i have no t1-t3 play

unique path
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[[Spark double]]
Any opinions? 4 zombies a turn if you get to attack with both. And 3 lands a turn ramp minimum

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wraith loom
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i mean you don't rly need it

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its not bad

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besides the zombies blossoming is basically our commander

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and with fotd out you get zombies too

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I would run a vesuva or more reanimation spells before spark double but that’s me

floral sigil
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Had a fun game with Teval at my LGS tonight. I put up a pretty big board early, so one of my opponents cast a board wipe. I Had [[Greater Good]] and [[The Gitrog Monster]] in play. I would use Greater good to sac a zombie token, which draws 2 then discards 3, but if any of the discarded cards were lands I could draw that many as well. So I dug through my deck a bit to find the counterspell, and eventually got it, so I was able to save my board and win the game

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wraith loom
floral sigil
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Well you’d need enough creatures to do it over and over, but yeah

unique path
unique path
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I'm surprised no one trying to run hulk piles

floral sigil
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what does "hulk piles" mean?

unique path
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[[Protean hulk]]

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opal patio
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its in a couple of the decks on mox that run Teval

unique path
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He dies and brings out stuff to value real hard or just end the game

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Can't get gravereaver but sure can get other things

floral sigil
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7 mana for a 6/6 with no keywords sounds kinda rough if you're relying on your opponent to trigger its effect

unique path
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True story

floral sigil
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Honestly now that I think of it, aside from the fact that Protean Hulk can grab multiple creatures, this just seems strictly worse than something like [[Finale of Devistation]] or [[Green Sun's Zenith]]

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unique path
floral sigil
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[[Chord of Calling]] is also instant speed

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unique path
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Now that's a good one. I took out [[fiend artisan]] this weekend

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unique path
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I wonder if great henge is worth

humble lynx
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If you're creature focused? Fantastic

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If you're not? It's just a mana rock that gives you some life gain, not terrible but you can do better

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[[Herd Heirloom]] would be better generally

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unique path
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That's a good one for teval. Guaranteed card draw

woeful dew
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What zombie stuff for teval has been explored?

unique path
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Lost monarch of ifnir. Crypt breaker. Scarab god

wraith loom
wraith loom
unique path
unique path
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Planning some buys including a crypt breaker and maybe a psychic frog

humble lynx
unique path
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Last night I played and cast sol ring turn 1 into
[[Tireless Provisioner]] turn 2 then land.
Gravereaver turn 5. Won turn 7. A mix of non games for some and a wild one for me. Really good card

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woeful dew
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It's such a good card. I like playing it with i believe its Academy Manufacturer which says if you would make a treasure clue or food you instead make one of each

unique path
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Yea I don't need those kinds of tokens in this deck so I skipped it

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Academy Manufactor is one of my favorite cards of all time, but I agree, it doesn’t really fit in this deck

woeful dew
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Thats valid, I went more for the Aristocrat route since i had more support for it than tte otter varients

unique path
woeful dew
unique path
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had a mossborn out with 8 counters. played will of the sultai. brought back 8 lands. murked a dude with 2000 power before teval trigger to kill the guy for 4000 damage and put 17 counters on teval to take another guy out at the same time. insane together. mossborn hydra is a menace

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and i didn't get to attack with teval until literally the end of the game. the first attack was the 21 damage. i was getting targeted so hard. and i kept putting teval in GY to recast with SIX. and funeral room brought everything back

opal patio
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out here playing yugioh

woeful dew
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frigid cairn
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Ripples of undeath was 12 buck last month but it's down to 6 now

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Maybe I should consider picking one up soon

unique path
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I didn't even know it got that high

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It's pretty good for a 2 drop. Early game if you get it turn 2 It's ok turn 3 if you can't cast teval.
Let's you get back anything including lands which is good

wraith loom
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Ripples is cool

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I almost have my teval deck fully in paper

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Deck list

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Super grindy midrange landy valuetown

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Has layered combos

floral sigil
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modern solar
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I finished my Decklist too (everything in paper already) 🙂
Wondered if I can get some feedback. This is more a Casual Deck and just going for value and some reanimation here and there. Win con is def. combat no Land abusing or infinites here 🙂

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floral sigil
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Wow. That is some impressive investment in the deck dndLol

unique path
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Crypt breaker and frog delivered today. I'll make some swaps

wraith loom
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a lot of the super expensive stuff i don't have

floral sigil
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Ah ok

wraith loom
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most of the secret lairs i do tho

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Had a guy tell me teval was a gy deck.
I disagreed but it's just not reanimator. It is a gy deck u thought landfall focused

woeful dew
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If its anysort of reanimator its land reanimator lol

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A buddy got his hand on FF early. Im throwing this in for whats Essentially a second chatterfang

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unique path
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I cut insidious roots. Added birds of paradise.
Psychic frog. Crypt breaker.
Need to update list

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Game from yesterday

floral sigil
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Oh yeah I use talon gates to save something from a wipe or targeted removal all the time

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The fact that crop rotation can save my mossborn hydra from doomblade effects will always be funny to me

unique path
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I can't get myself to cut cradle or chasm for crop

floral sigil
unique path
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You don't miss field?

floral sigil
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I've never played it. I don't enjoy go-wide token, period

wraith loom
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Chasm is a crutch

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Play without it and free yourself

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Crop rotation glacial fotd

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Even just fotd crop rotation and gifts ungiven

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Demonic isn’t as good as gifts

floral sigil
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Honestly, I think tutoring to top is better than tutoring to hand in this deck. I will that gifts gets bonus points for also tutoring to GY, but I like cards that tutor to top because those tutor cards are almost all instant speed, which means you have the flexibility to do it either right before you draw or right before you mill

wraith loom
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And I run some things that like to be in gy

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(Dredge cards + world)

unique path
wraith loom
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Entomb + realms uncharted + buried alive + diabolic intent + lotus light dancers are so good

unique path
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I'll keep the shackles lmao

wraith loom
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I just think it’s boring

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I like working a bit for my big mana

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You should run crop to tutor for gaia tho

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Or at least sylvan scrying + realms

unique path
unique path
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Chasm to me is just a 1 or 2 turn prevent damage thing. Everytime I've used it its been to just stall for one round. Works good. I guess I could slot in a fog spell for it

wraith loom
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That’s what I do

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I run urza’s cave, reclaimer, insidious fungus, horizon of progress, and crop rotation to have instant speed ways to play it

unique path
wraith loom
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No

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Keep it in and just treat it like one

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And cut the gaia

unique path
wraith loom
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You have so many ways to make a ton of mana

unique path
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Coffers and urborg. Not sure how else. I cut insidious

wraith loom
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Insidious roots, squandered resources, tireless provisioner, exploration/extra land drops/ mass land recursion (lumra/shaper/aftermath/splended/will of the sultai)

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Then Warren soul trader/altar/ even stuff like pitiless if you want

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Oh right theirs Kheru too

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It’s like

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You’re picking the most boring option

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That’s all

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Not to mention landy stuff if you get fetch lands like lotus/nissa

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If you even wanted to you can just go super hard on landfall and play all the bouncelands and lotus fields and stuff

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And run stuff like tiller engine, amulet of vigor, the turtle that untaps everything when it comes in , land that untaps other land etc

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And then kill your own lands with stuff and then replay them untapped

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It nets you way more mana than a single gaia but you gotta work for it

unique path
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I have a squandered.

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I have a provisoner slotted in

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Will need to get aftermath analysst

wraith loom
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Squandered + shifting + aftermath analyst gets you infinite mana+ infinite landfalls

wraith loom
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If you wanna reference the list I made when we were talking about it

unique path
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Hell yea I have that favorited

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opal patio
wraith loom
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just run dredger's insight

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if u realllly want lifegain

opal patio
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zuran orb is a land sac outlet...not just life gain, it has the positive of being life gain as well, and zero cost

floral sigil
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Honestly, you don’t need a land sac outlet unless the effect it procs is strong in and of itself. Sacing for the sake of sacing is a trap

opal patio
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i tend to sac a handful of lands and then cast something that causes the lands to come back in triggering landfall

In this case we were talking about a way to loop analyst + shifting, i just mentioned something else you can do with it

wraith loom
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the concept is fine its just a do nothing 50% of the time

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and i dont like bricks

opal patio
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i mean..sure it migght be, but its anecdotal. I havent had a time where it wasnt useful

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I guess the counterpoint you are trying to state that in a vacuum you would rather have one of those other two, instead of zuran orb, if thats the only card you have

unique path
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At some point it's to have an outlet for land to die. Just gotta decide which

unique path
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I have will of the sultai as the only all land back from gy.
I can put in worldshaper?
I just bought aftermath.
Is it worth running splendid reclamation?

unique path
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[[Inspiration from beyond]] thoughts?

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unique path
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[[Soldevi excavation]] and the other colors to match

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frigid cairn
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Chat what do you think....

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humble lynx
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@unique path got a FF recommendation for you

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[[Sin, Spara's Punishment]]

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humble lynx
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Non deterministic Teval triggers, as they're all separate triggers

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And it's not 7 mana 7/7 do nothing cause she does it on ETB too

unique path
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Thats not bad I saw it yea.. high cmc. But pretty good for ramp too

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Land etp untapped

frigid cairn
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threw the chocobo into my teval deck I am gonna do landfall crimes

humble lynx
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And we have plenty of ways to cheat it into play if it's milled or discarded

unique path
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True. I'm sure it won't be expensive either

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I was thinking of doing tifa landfall stuff like mossborn hydra

humble lynx
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[[$Sin Spara's Punishment]]

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humble lynx
frigid cairn
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wait [[summon: titan]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/204/summon:-titan

Summon: Titan <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment Creature — Saga Giant
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Mill five cards.
II — Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
III — Until end of turn, another target creature you control gains trample and gets +X/+X, where X is the number of lands you control.
Reach, trample
7/7

frigid cairn
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🤔 do we care for a 2nd will of the sultai

glad sparrow
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Why is teval so crazy popular

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I mean I love it but like

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It's so popular rn

woeful dew
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Its a fun deck that can be built many ways

woeful dew
woeful dew
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Its also just silly to resolve as well

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I personally play several Dredge and group mill cards so I'd probably play it myself

unique path
humble lynx
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[[Life from the loam]] does so much work it my list

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humble lynx
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Combine it with Crypt Breaker and I can do it so many times a turn

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Even more mana cheap if I don't wanna cast it, just discard it to [[Psychic Frog]]

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humble lynx
unique path
unique path
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I'm gonna slot that in easily

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Titan is too slow imo

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Will of the sultai is too

opal patio
# wraith loom Will of the sultai is too

im almost inclined to agree on WotS....every game ive gotten it i basically dont use it for the land recursion part, and 5 drop to put counters, while nice isnt exactly what we are doing

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in fact im not playing squandered and i think im going to drop WotS for it now

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( i know its a different effect but i dont have anythign else i would swap right now )

unique path
# wraith loom Will of the sultai is too

You get both effects instantly here. What's too slow about that?
Every time I've cast it its won me games.
21 commander damage. 4000 mossborn hydra damage.
Multiple triggers of ob nixilis

floral sigil
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opal patio
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Oh gotcha. I must have misunderstood. I thought you were saying you cut Will to add Squandered

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yeah I defintiely misread your message

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my b

opal patio
unique path
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The last part of the saga is forgettable

wraith loom
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I’d rather splendid rec over will

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So, I know individual anecdotes don't really mean that much, but I won another game at the LGS tonight by resolving Will. I pumped Merit Lage up to 35 to swing for lethal at one player, then cast [[Rite of Consumption]] to fling it at the other

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Gain a shit load of life, draw a shit ton of cards if Gitrog is out, it's great

floral sigil
humble lynx
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https://scryfall.com/card/me2/229/glacial-chasm

Glacial Chasm

Land
Cumulative upkeep—Pay 2 life. (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
When this land enters, sacrifice a land.
Creatures you control can't attack.
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to you.

humble lynx
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I also use it to get even more [[Field of the dead]] triggers, and Zuran orb is just a 0 cost sac a land effect

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humble lynx
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My other one is [[Sylvan Protector]]

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humble lynx
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No that

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Or yeah it is that

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Why the hell is that Spanish

opal patio
modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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Any thoughts on [[Nissa vital force]] to ult her asap and just draw on top of landfall

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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cast [[incarnation technique]] tonight for first time and wow it's a wollup

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woeful dew
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Thoughts on [[Stinkweed Imp]]? Just found one in my bulk boxes

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wraith loom
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I run golgari grave troll+stinkweed+dakmoor+life from the loam with 3 discard outlets

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I think you can get away with just psychic frog but it can get clumped in your hand + you need a lot of payoffs for having cards in your yard besides just getting lands back

unique path
woeful dew
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Getting stuff into the grave to take out of the hrave worls perfectly

unique path
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I made 256 scute swarm tokens and milled the table with altar of dementia.
Psychic frog is good for draw and exile to trigger teval.
Good stuff.

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Constant mists I cast 3 times 1 time they tried to counter and I countered back

woeful dew
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[[Scute swar.]]

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woeful dew
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Pfft

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I love this

unique path
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I have acquired an after math analyst and slotted squandered into the deck.
Pulled out muldrotha. And teval judgment

opal patio
unique path
opal patio
unique path
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I think I have to slot in roaming throne. Milling 6 and getting 2 lands back and making 4 zombies every attack seems really good

unique path
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Ok I'm dropping cradle and slotting in rhystic. I need cards in hand. Too much shit in the gy and having a hard time getting it out

humble lynx
unique path
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Does anyone run [[the great henge]]

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humble lynx
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I thought about it, I don't really need it

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I run a LOT of cast spells from graveyard effects

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So I usually draw my whole fucking deck with either looping stuff like Season of Gathering, or doing a Lumra loop with Gitrog and Aesi out

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It is a green staple card for a reason though

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I still say everyone's Teval deck should be on Zuran Orb, Gitrog, and Lumra though

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Zuran orb can also get subbed or redundant copied with Sylvan Safekeeper

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Safekeeper is just fantastic protection for Teval herself or other key pieces as well since well, you're a land recursion deck so the cost doesn't matter to you

unique path
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I tried squandered resources and I didn't like it at all

floral sigil
frigid cairn
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Just got tifa today, do we do enough silly land fetching stuff to pump her up to a cool degree

unique path
unique path
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I cut Springbloom and elvish reclaimer. Added kotis and couple of others. Will edit decklist tonight to reflect new changes

humble lynx
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It's his cool Golbez art too

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[[Golbez Clad in night]]

modest lodgeBOT
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No card found for “Golbez Clad in night”

humble lynx
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[[Golbez clad in darkness]]

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unique path
humble lynx
unique path
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way better than original art XD

unique path
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here's the updated list. still thinking to cut funeral room

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probably for muldrotha

humble lynx
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[[Funeral Room]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/100/funeral-room-awakening-hall

Funeral Room <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Room
Whenever a creature you control dies, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Awakening Hall mana6manabmanab
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, return all creature cards from your graveyard to the battlefield.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

humble lynx
unique path
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[[Herd heirloom]] and
[[Idol of Oblivion]]

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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Worth for card draw?

floral sigil
# unique path Worth for card draw?

This seems like it would win-more. They would only help you draw more cards if you control Teval and are able to attack with it consistently

unique path
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Well idol can trigger off any token generation

floral sigil
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Oh that’s true, I forgot your deck was token focused

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Yeah in that case it can work. I run idol in a few of my other decks that have a more token focus. The trick to it is that you need to be able to trigger it consistently from multiple possible sources

unique path
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The other one can trigger off anything with power 4 or greater

unique path
unique path
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I think she's OK but mossborn hydra is insane

frigid cairn
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No I just pulled her from prerelease kit

unique path
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Is Anyone playing lightning greaves?
Also I'm thinking to cut konrad for [[mending of dominaria]]

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unique path
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Also [[Poison tip archer]] is am option for konrad. Doesn't trigger on mill but does on death's and has reach

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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Instead of konrad

opal patio
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Poison Tip archer is easier to remove as its only a 3 toughness and dies to so many 'deals 3 damage' spells

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You also lose the mill effect, which, i dont use often but can be used to trigger Konrad and Grave-Reaver

unique path
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Yea great point. I ended up keeping konrad.
I did slot in mending of dominaria because it mills and gives me back creatures.
The creature thing I've been missing in the deck

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Also excited to see how chatterfang does

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Also realized river kelpe and spark double is infinite draw and zombies with a sac outlet and teval out

floral sigil
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Neat ruling for this deck

unique path
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i watched the video and i don't buy it. and i'm not gonna run it

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i would run that for other things. like mossborn hydra. and field of the dead triggers would be doubled as well.
and scute swarm

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pretty much any land ETB trigger i would run this for but not for teval lol

frigid cairn
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You'd be running it for double landfall and play land off the top of deck w

floral sigil
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I actually think the ruling in the video is correct. The land leaving your GY and entering the battlefield is one singular event. It doesn't go GY->Stack->Field or anything like that. That singular event is a land leaving the gy AND entering the battlefield, so it Chocobo would double Teval's trigger.

frigid cairn
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But mtg ruling is known to be very exact in its wording, you have to interpret it for that to work. Everywhere else I see say teval wouldn't work

floral sigil
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You folks were right. The Youtube short is wrong.

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[[Teysa Karov]]

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floral sigil
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2019-01-25
An ability that triggers on an event that causes a creature to die doesn't trigger twice. For example, an ability that triggers “whenever you sacrifice a creature” triggers only once.

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Trigger doublers do not work if one game action is the result of another, even if they are the same event

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As proven by this Teysa ruling

unique path
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floral sigil
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I asked the rulings channel in the official magic server. Say what you want about that server, but they are VERY good with rulings

floral sigil
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They corrected the short, saying they were wrong

unique path
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What else besides clones and roaming throne can double teval triggers?

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Tormod

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Because he makes zombies albeit tapped

unique path
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Hate saying it but I think I need to lower the interaction package in my deck and get some more other stuff going. I'm milling a bunch of it.
Only way I can think of to sculpt my hand and library is [[scroll rack]]

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humble lynx
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humble lynx
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We are a lands deck after all

unique path
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That's in there

floral sigil
modest lodgeBOT
unique path
unique path
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I'm fine with win more. I need to close out games

modern solar
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Ooooooookaaaay guys I need help from the Teval Gang here 🙂
This is currently my list and I'm not happy with it .. it feels kinda cluncky since I tried to go full reanimate but tbh I think I wanna switch into an Lands Matter / Reanimator build now BUT my current Landfall Deck with Necrobloom is just insane so I wonder which cuts and which adds you would suggest for this List:
https://archidekt.com/decks/12167171/sultai_graveyard

Glad for every help ❤️

Archidekt
Sultai Graveyard • (Sultai Commander deck) • Archidekt

Teval, the Balanced Scale - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (4) Artifact • (29) Creature • (5) Enchantment • (12) Instant • (36) Land • (13) Sorcery

unique path
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@modern solar what's clunky? Too slow to get dangerous? Nothing to do mid game? Can't close-out? Early mid and late are 3 phases of the game. Where do you think you need to speed it up or make it cleaner

floral sigil
# modern solar Ooooooookaaaay guys I need help from the Teval Gang here 🙂 This is currently my...

So, if you want to turn your teval deck into a "lands matter" strategy, the first thing you should add are lands that matter. the main difference between a landfall deck and a lands-matters deck is that landfall decks want as many lands as possible, but lands-matters decks want the right land at the right time. Play lands with effects other than just tapping for mana, so you can pull them out of the GY or tutor them from the deck whenever you want access to that effect. I'm referring to lands such as [[Talong Gates of Madara]] and [[Bojuka Bog]] and [[Shifting Woodlands]]

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floral sigil
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It really is intoxicating when you realize Crop Rotation is protection, removal, ramp, card draw, recursion, evasion, grave hate, and so on. All in one card

unique path
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Chasm hasn't been showing up

floral sigil
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Nice. I bet you'll enjoy it

modern solar
# unique path Crypt of agadeem easy cut

I think mostly early to mid game or either say my reanimation plan wasnt working as I accepted it to be .. I want big or best bombs for reanimation and maybe for mid game the landfall plan with good landfall triggers on creatures I guess?

modern solar
unique path
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I'm still not sold on aftermath analyst but I'll keep trying it out.
Crypt keeper been great.
I haven't had to use sylvan safekeeping yet.
Cthonian does well

unique path
modest lodgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/100/funeral-room-awakening-hall

Funeral Room <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Room
Whenever a creature you control dies, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Awakening Hall mana6manabmanab
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, return all creature cards from your graveyard to the battlefield.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

unique path
floral sigil
# modern solar Oh okay sorry I didnt knew that there is that difference between those too but I...

If I'm being entirely honest, I think [[Glarb, Calamity's Agur]] makes for a better landfall commander in these colors than Teval does. Not to say teval is bad at it by any stretch of the imagination. The main thing is landfall decks want to run cards that give you extra land drops per turn, like [[Dryad of the Ilysian Grove]]. Glarb is the card that makes the best possible use of these types of effects, because you can keep playing lands off the top of the deck over and over. Teval's lands mostly come from the GY, which means you need a "play lands from GY" effect like [[Conduit of Worlds]] to make the most use out of extra land drop effects

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unique path
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I've effectively had 1 game with chatterfang out and he made a shit ton of tokens. I think he stays

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@modern solar turn 3 teval is usually a good way to get ahead. Can you get him out early?

opal patio
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but arguable Crop Rotation for Cradle is good when i can actually use Cradle

floral sigil
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The 3 game changers I run are Crop Rotation, Mystical Tutor, and Worldly Tutor. I don't really care to play the high power lands like cradle or chasm

opal patio
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i only played cradle because of the possibility of having so much mana, but im not running Finale or many X spells, so it essentially just is used for generic mana values

unique path
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I added back [[diviner of mist]] it can cast all my instants and sorcerer except 3 cards

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opal patio
# unique path That's why I cut it. I didn't have an Infinite sink for it

the only benefit is mid to late game when you have a boardstate where you can cast from yard or decent hand, crop rotation getting cradle into play to get the extra mana, but even then its situational and im not sure i like it that much over a different mana source. Additionally, im not running crop rotation and i think that would be a better card there

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I use chasm too often to build up a decent board state. Won a game in high bracket 4/low 5 with chasm because i was able to prevent damage as much as possible while i built up a boardstate

unique path
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I think [[frantic search]] and [[snap]] and stuff is probably more Interesting for me to use to untap cradle or coffers to get more mana

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unique path
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I would cut field for cyc rift. That's about it

opal patio
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yeah cradle is kind of 'boring' per se

unique path
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So I actually cut frantic for [[lunar insight]] to see how good the draw would be. Maybe windfall would be better but that gives everyone draw

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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If I have teval out and a zombie it's at least 2. I'm thinking I can get 3 plus cards off it

unique path
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Going to pick up [[junk winder]]
[[Pile on]] and [[perplexing test]]
If I'm gonna make tokens I need to abuse them

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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Should I be using bounce lands instead of the [[peat bog]] style?

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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Using these currently guarantees me getting lands from the gy because I'm sacking them

modern solar
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@floral sigil Yeah I agree in my Head I would like to have 70%ish Reanimation and 30% some Landfall payoff for the early game to get time to fill in my GY 🙂
Not sure if it works tho I could include Mossborn Hydra as well but was thinking about it to put her in Bumbleflower or my Necroblossom Deck 😄

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But for my list @unique path & @floral sigil do you guys have general changes you would make like general adds for either of the strategies discussed earlier? 🙂

unique path
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specific cuts - that land agadeem crypt

modern solar
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Maybe I'll cut protean too since I dont have enough self sacrifice effects and just put him in because i love him from my meren List 😄

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Maybe also cut like Overlord of the floodpits?

unique path
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yea

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protean is just ok. you have to build around it and you can. you can really end the game with protean if you just slot in what 3 cards?

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kheru gold eater. gravecrawler and a sac outlet like warren soul trader or something like that

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and you need drain

modern solar
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Yeah true in this List i just wanted to Play him for value to grab some cheap other value stuff but i think he has to go and i need to lower the curve as you said.
Which 1-3 Mans Drops do you Guys think had the Most impact in your Games ?

unique path
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Heres my 1 to 3 drops

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unique path
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drained a table for 18 damage because i copied teval with spark double and ayara was out

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spark double stays

unique path
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Also worth noting [[realms uncharted]] probably my favorite form of "ramp" in teval

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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Got me Cabal, urborg field and command tower today

frigid cairn
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chat I'm starting to think colossal grave reaver is bad

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which is so sad I wanna be able to mill creature and do flashy play but no I managed to slap it on field and even attack and also cast it again but it mills 9 lands/sorcery instead

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at least I win because it mills living death but still

glad sparrow
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It's great in a big creature reanimator build

unique path
unique path
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[[Sheoldred whispering one]] can be an alternative to gravereaver

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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Gonna try out [[the great henge]]
Had a chance to use it for 2 green because I had a mossborn at 16 counters. Not typical but it's 5 cmc with teval out

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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[[Awaken the woods]] just realized this might be real good especially with field of the dead out

modest lodgeBOT
frigid cairn
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sheoldred is cool but it's also 70 bucks I can literally buy the core of a whole ass standard deck with that price www (my pods will prob be fine with me proxying it anyway but still)

unique path
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[[$sheoldred whispering one]]

modest lodgeBOT
frigid cairn
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oh I wasn't looking at the lower price lol

unique path
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Been thinking about [[priest of forgotten gods]] for draw and board control

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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I cut spelunking and added lightning greaves

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Turn 2 greaves into turn 3 teval or turn 4 teval with instant attack seems pretty worth

unique path
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i gotta cut aftermath analyst for a worldshaper or something

modern solar
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Yes is thought the Same on yesterdays Game 😮

unique path
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Yea he sucks in my opinion. Multiple games does nothing

modern solar
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He could have won me game but was one Mana Short 😦

unique path
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Yea I resolved it once for the first time and it was irrelevant

opal patio
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i tend to keep an eye on mox/ark to see deck changes and saw [[wand of orcus]] pop up on a teval list. Not sure what everyone thinks of it. 6 mana to give deathtouch to all the tokens seems a little high, but attached to teval, you get (in theory) 4 more tokens on combat damage

modest lodgeBOT
opal patio
unique path
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I can't remember last time I hard cast grave reaver

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Last night I lost but I cast [[Incarnation technique]] like 5 times. Never hit grave reaver lol

modest lodgeBOT
opal patio
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i feel like i need more mill maybe

modern solar
opal patio
modest lodgeBOT
opal patio
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and obviously, Incarnation Technique that Kyoshi said just a bit ago in the comment above mine

unique path
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So I use incarnation to make the player with what I think is the least powerful creatures mill when I copy it so I can get 2 copies

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[[Mesmeric orb]] always the best mill piece honestly

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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It fucks with their game plans pretty hard

unique path
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[[Winter cynical]]

modest lodgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/7/winter-cynical-opportunist

Winter, Cynical Opportunist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Deathtouch
Whenever Winter attacks, mill three cards.
Delirium — At the beginning of your end step, you may exile any number of cards from your graveyard with four or more card types among them. If you do, put a permanent card from among them onto the battlefield with a finality counter on it.
2/5

unique path
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Triggers teval 2x in a turn. Not meren but also works for permanents

opal patio
unique path
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If you being back lands you get 2 lands per turn. 1 from teval. One from winter. If you do a normal land drop that's 3 lands a turn

opal patio
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Why would bringing it back trigger Teval?

unique path
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Still pretty good to get some stuff back

opal patio
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[[Eden, Seat of the sanctum]] 5, mill 2, sac Return card from yard to hand. Seems okay

modest lodgeBOT
opal patio
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i guess its not as good as some of the two drops, but being a land, it has recursion

unique path
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[[Memorial to folly]]

modest lodgeBOT
opal patio
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yeah but theres no mill

unique path
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[[Mortuary mire]]

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
opal patio
unique path
modest lodgeBOT
opal patio
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yeah, the mana value is a little hard there

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not saying the eden card is good, just interesting

unique path
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It's really high.
[[Journey to eternity]] better

modest lodgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/rix/160/journey-to-eternity-atzal-cave-of-eternity

Journey to Eternity <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature you control
When enchanted creature dies, return it to the battlefield under your control, then return this card to the battlefield transformed under your control.
Every journey has its inevitable end . . .

Atzal, Cave of Eternity
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Journey to Eternity.)
manat: Add one mana of any color.
mana3manabmanag, manat: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
. . . but every end is a new beginning.

opal patio
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yeah, but we were talking about mill, so i was looking at mill cards

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and then narrowed it down to mill-lands

unique path
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I think there's so many mill options not in lands that some lands can just reanimate.
[[Shifting woodland]] is amazing

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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i finally broke down and bought a [[lumra]] and cut aftermath analyst

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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So [[junk winder]]
Won me the game last night

modest lodgeBOT
unique path
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I had scute swarm and chatterfang and tapped down everyone's stuff for a few turns to take the win.
Attacked with teval 2x the whole game

woeful dew
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[[Scuteswarm]]

modest lodgeBOT
woeful dew
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Oh

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O.o

frigid cairn
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yeah having one copy would be real nice

woeful dew
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Nutty

glad sparrow
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What the fuck this is so crept

jovial swan
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This is a leak

opal patio
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what are we thinking about this?

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[[exploration broodship]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/14/exploration-broodship

Exploration Broodship <:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact — Spacecraft
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery. It's an artifact creature at 8+.)
STATION 3+
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
STATION 8+
Flying
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell from your graveyard by sacrificing a land in addition to paying its other costs.

floral sigil
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Seems like a decent card, but I'm just not sure if this is the right deck to use it in. It seems like it would be more at home in a pure landfall deck

opal patio
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it doesnt do landfall itself, except the extra land each turn.

The station at 8+ was what was interesting to me. Sac Land, Cast Perm, Teval Zombie Token, Attack Teval, Return that land

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it is definitely good in a landfall deck as well though, dont get me wrong (especially because its from the landsac/fall deck)

floral sigil
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So, the main reason I think this is better in Landfall than Teval is because landfall decks typically run cards like [[Conduit of Worlds]]. They get multiple lands out of their gy per turn, simply by virtue of having multiple land drops. Teval getting a land out of the GY is meant to be ramp. If you sack a land on the same turn, then you're going neutral instead of positive. They payoff for that downside better be really big. Casting a card from your GY is a pretty nice payoff, but we have LOTS of ways to do that. IDK if its worth sacrificing a land for it.

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opal patio
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Sure thats fair enough, and ill give it a shot in my deck anyway, because i like trying new things, and it may not be great, I can just see myself using it to cast stuff from yard. I already do a bit of land recursion for teval, sac bring back. I know I like effectively having retrace, its not the same because i lose the land instead of being able to ramp it with teval later in the turn but sure.

unique path
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There's a gaeas cradle for station 12. Not sure how easy that would be but I think doable within 3 turns

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Sometimes I have 12 zombies on the field. That's 24 power. Notbhard to get to the max

floral sigil
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Remember, you don't have to do it in a single turn. They're counters.

unique path
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Being able to play 2 Landa for a 1 cmc card seems very very good

unique path
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If I turn 3 teval and have this out then it's really good

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Cast him tap him play second land immediately

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As long as you have Lands in hand and in gyyou are ramping faster than even teval does on his own

floral sigil
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I mean, at that point you’re just talking about the benefits of any extra land drop card, which are a dime a dozen

opal patio
unique path
opal patio
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the fact this is 1MV is what is intriguing to me, because of being able to tap zombies for it, its almost a no brainer

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but there are some good points to be had about it not being perfect in our deck

floral sigil
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Sure, the low MV is nice, but there are plenty that are on curve for this deck. Like you could cast [[Dryad of the Elysian Grove]] on turn 3 then teval on turn 4, or whatever. The point I'm trying to make is that there were plenty of opportunities to run these types of cards beforehand, and we didn't because it wasn't the best fit for the deck or the strategy. I don't think this one does anything new or novel enough to change that

modest lodgeBOT
opal patio
floral sigil
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https://scryfall.com/card/afr/180/druid-class

Druid Class <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you gain 1 life.
mana2manag: Level 2
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
mana4manag: Level 3
When this Class becomes level 3, target land you control becomes a creature with haste and "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control." It's still a land.

opal patio
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i mean..but those arent similar..maybe im confused on what the statement was. Plenty of the variants of teval run Azusa, or Exploration, and I thought about it as well.

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no worries though. I dont think it matters in the end here

floral sigil
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I suppose so. If you folks want to try it out, then by all means, do so. Part of it may also be the difference in our deck styles.

opal patio
unique path
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Finally showed up

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frosty wigeon
modest lodgeBOT
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No card found for “intended to stay precon level”

floral sigil
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You have a couple of pseudo infinites and synergy pieces that just accelerate the deck too fast for an average bracket 2 deck to keep up with

frosty wigeon
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What pseudo infinite? Genuinely asking. The only thing I can think of is the goal of recurring gempalm; but its hardly an easy engine and mostly once per turn

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It definitely hasnt felt "accelerated" at all.

floral sigil
modest lodgeBOT
frosty wigeon
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Thanks! Ill pull one of those then. I need to make 4 cuts anyways

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Goodbye Hedroncrab.

floral sigil
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The other card I'm specifically worried about is [[Tiller Engine]]. Having your lands enter untapped is already a super strong effect, but in a deck like this you can combine it with cards like [[Will of the Sultai]] to get massive burst of mana immediately

modest lodgeBOT
frosty wigeon
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I can see that. I could remove tiller engine. I had spelunking initially, but replaced it for tiller so it was a creature instead

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(Wouldn't re-replace spelunking)

floral sigil
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Yeah I just think that synergy is too strong for bracket 2

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The issue with trying to make Teval into a bracket 2 commander is that its already such a strong effect and synergizes so well with so many things. You really have to purposely hold yourself back quite a lot for it to feel fair

frosty wigeon
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Yeah - thats definitely why I went for a zombie tribal type strat instead of generic sultai good stuff upgrade

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I wanted to give it some personality and direction - but keep it as a precon level. So its end game stuff is either weird; or big mana and requires an already big board presence. So it cant just "win suddenly at all". Its a big lumbering zombie horde coming toward you

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And in bracket 2; board wipes are common

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I appreciate those insights. I need one more cut. Pulled than vigil - realized it was kind of bleh - doesnt, itself, help mill and its payoff doesnt really fit the zombie horde strat

floral sigil
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So, I found another infinite combo in your deck. [[Kheru Goldkeeper]] + [[Tortured Existence]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/199/kheru-goldkeeper

Kheru Goldkeeper <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Dragon
Flying
Whenever one or more cards leave your graveyard during your turn, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with "manat, Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Renew — mana2manabmanagmanau, Exile this card from your graveyard: Put two +1/+1 counters and a flying counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3

floral sigil
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You could do tortured existence's effect an infinite number of times since kheru makes a treasure every time you do it. Which means if Teval is on the field you would make infinite Zombie Druid tokens

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I would say you should cut tortured existence. Its just one of those cards that has a very high likelihood to become a problem, since its an activated effect with a low mana cost and no other restrictions

frosty wigeon
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Yeah, even without infinite it basically becomes for one Black make a zombie (and trigger other teval-like effects)

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Done

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I do appreciate those notes - I dont really think "infinites" (Im a battlecruiser stompy at heart) so can miss those synergies

floral sigil
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I'm not much of a combo player either, but I've been on the other side of combos enough time to know what the warning signs are and what to look out for.

slender star
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there's so many new great cards for teval in EOE i cant wait!

modern solar
frigid cairn
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How many of those are in the insect precon, I might hover the idea of buying one

unique path
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the land guy i was talking about
https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/192/splendid-reclaimer
he's in scryfall so i think it's been released now

Scryfall Magic The Gathering Search
"Splendid Reclaimer"

{2}{G}{G} • Creature — Insect Scout • 2/4 • You may play an additional land on each of your turns. You may play lands from your graveyard. Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, mill a card. • Edge of Eternities (EOE) #192 • Illustrated by Warren Mahy • Magic: The Gathering, MTG

glad sparrow
unique path
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yep

glad sparrow
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Ramunap Excavator meets Exploration

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Between this and Traveling Chocobo, landfall decks are eating well

unique path
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landfall is a fun strategy. some people don't think so but there's so much space for land matters and landfall to be unique and interesting

modern solar
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This guy is insane 😮
I would like or love to get some advice on my Teval Deck 😮
I'm currently changing the decklist and since I learned the difference between lands matters strategy and landfall I would like to build this Deck more into Landfall although I already have Necrobloom as a Landfall Commander 🙂

opal patio
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necrobloom is a much better landfall commander since it has both landy benefits (landfall and dredge) but you can definitely do some landfally shenanigans with Teval

modern solar
unique path
opal patio
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teval can absolutely support landfall, mine, just like yours is geared that way as one of the win cons

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necrobloom is just a better pure landfall commander

unique path
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i played [[disorienting choice]] and all 3 players gave me a land. I got field of the dead. cabal coffers, and urborg on turn 5. Turn 6 i won the game. because they gave me the lands of course

modest lodgeBOT
opal patio
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thats objectively true

opal patio
unique path
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i don't have necrobloom experience as the pilot. so i'll say that first.
scute swarm, mossborn hydra, field of the dead. those are all pretty good landfall payoffs especially if you have ayara or konrad or mirkwood bats out

modern solar
unique path
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my experience playing against necrobloom is this - they ramp their ass off to get to 7 lands ASAP

opal patio
unique path
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FOTD is a duplicate of necro and a bit of teval for sure. good card in both decks. and yea probably should run it even though it's a game changer

modern solar
opal patio
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i dont play coffers as well, but urborg is pretty nutty

unique path
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i run urborg and yavimaya where i can

opal patio
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yeah i was goign to say, you also want yavimaya

modern solar
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I just run all my fectches I really need and never had problems with being color screwed 😄