Storm's Brewing Projects and Archive

[quasi magnet]

just hanging out chatting about whatever

but anyways lol

I am probably gonna have to make a few cuts to the permanents, but I gotta add some instants and sorceries

oh also i'm adding [[refraction elemental]] because battles

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/146/invasion-of-karsus-refraction-elemental

Invasion of Karsus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, it deals 3 damage to each creature and each planeswalker.
Defense: 4

Refraction Elemental
Creature — Elemental
Ward—Pay 2 life.
Whenever you cast a spell, this creature deals 2 damage to each opponent.
The crystal landslide stirred over the shattered forms of the Machine Legion vanguard, and then it rose and rearranged itself into an avenging colossus.
4/4

[sharp flax]

I have never looked in that channel 😅

[quasi magnet]

I forgot about it until yesterday when I went live

was like "yeah why not"

[wind bison]

It’s unmuted for me so I check it out every once in a while

[sharp flax]

It's unmuted for me too but I'm already behind on all my multimedia so adding more feels like a mistake

That's great that you were able to do that though!

[quasi magnet]

yeah I had fun

gonna do it again tonight as well because now Im stuck trying to beat this game

("stuck" he says)

[fathom elk]

[[impact tremor]] effects like [[warleader‘s call]] and [[general kreat]] (even makes a token) could be something worth for your deck?

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/717/impact-tremors

Impact Tremors <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control enters, this enchantment deals 1 damage to each opponent.
"If their ears are to the ground, we will make them bleed!" —Taklai, Kolaghan warrior

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/242/warleaders-call

Warleader's Call <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
Whenever a creature you control enters, this enchantment deals 1 damage to each opponent.
While Aurelia mustered the Boros Legion, Kaya and Kellan raced against the clock, desperate to stave off a war the guilds might not survive.

https://scryfall.com/card/j25/48/general-kreat-the-boltbringer

General Kreat, the Boltbringer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Soldier
Whenever one or more Goblins you control attack, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token that's tapped and attacking.
Whenever another creature you control enters, General Kreat deals 1 damage to each opponent.
To cross swords with her is a shockingly bad idea.
2/2

[sharp flax]

I like battles and I wouldn't have picked the one you went with

[quasi magnet]

the backside is very nice

[sharp flax]

[[invasion of gobakhan]] [[invasion of segovia]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/22/invasion-of-gobakhan-lightshield-array

Invasion of Gobakhan <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, look at target opponent's hand. You may exile a nonland card from it. For as long as that card remains exiled, its owner may play it. A spell cast this way costs more to cast.
Defense: 3

Lightshield Array
Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature that attacked this turn.
Sacrifice this enchantment: Creatures you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
The weight of Phyrexia crashed down upon Gobakhan, but the will of its people endured.

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/63/invasion-of-segovia-caetus-sea-tyrant-of-segovia

Invasion of Segovia <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, create two 1/1 blue Kraken creature tokens with trample.
Defense: 4

Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
Legendary Creature — Serpent
Noncreature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your end step, untap up to four target creatures.
3/3

[quasi magnet]

and the front is a decent effect that doesn't kill my commander even without the prowess

[quasi magnet]

oh for sure both of these were considered

@trim minnow NO U!

[trim minnow]

[sharp flax]

It just kills most of your tokens

Depending on when you cast

[quasi magnet]

yeah

for sure

but since its also a noncreature spell it does get a prowess trigger

so there is definitely room for them to not die to it

[sharp flax]

[[windcrag siege]] on Mardu

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/235/windcrag-siege

Windcrag Siege <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
As this enchantment enters, choose Mardu or Jeskai.
• Mardu — If a creature attacking causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
• Jeskai — At the beginning of your upkeep, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token. It gains lifelink and haste until end of turn.

[quasi magnet]

I was considering that one

[sharp flax]

I also run [[tersa]] though in mine

[sturdy gale]

Multiple cards match “tersa”, can you be more specific?

[quasi magnet]

oh yeah

[sharp flax]

[[tersa lightshatter]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/127/tersa-lightshatter

Tersa Lightshatter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Orc Wizard
Haste
When Tersa Lightshatter enters, discard up to two cards, then draw that many cards.
Whenever Tersa Lightshatter attacks, if there are seven or more cards in your graveyard, exile a card at random from your graveyard. You may play that card this turn.
3/3

[quasi magnet]

currently at 18 cuts minimum and that doesn't include Tersa if I add her

so I should start trimming this down

[fathom elk]

I would probably cut archmage of runes

5 mana is just too much

[quasi magnet]

sigh

I don't want to lol

like I really don't want to

[fathom elk]

cori mountain stewart I would cut to, doesn‘t help with your gameplan

[fathom elk]

you don‘t have to:)
I just giving suggestions 😉

[quasi magnet]

no I know

but like I'd sooner cut Emeritus over Of Runes

[fathom elk]

I tried it out, was very excited about it but the card was too slow and didn‘t make me happy

[quasi magnet]

I like it in my U list

I wanna try it here

cutting a few of the enchantments lol

[fathom elk]

your list is quite pip intensive, the cost reduction is not that good I feel

[quasi magnet]

29 of my 40 spells can be cost reduced by it (including the flashback off of flooting)

[sharp flax]

[[lyse hext]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/88/lyse-hext

Lyse Hext <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Rebel Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Noncreature spells you cast cost less to cast.
As long as you've cast two or more noncreature spells this turn, Lyse Hext has double strike.
2/2

[sharp flax]

May be worth it in your list

instead of brushmaster

1 less, less pip intensive

And a cost reducer

[quasi magnet]

damn

yeah good pick

[sharp flax]

I don't think second sun is worth it

Shadow of the

[fathom elk]

I wanted to suggest cutting the same card

[quasi magnet]

oh, refresh

[sharp flax]

For one thing it pulls any rebounds into the end of your turn

[quasi magnet]

that one got cut already a while ago

[sharp flax]

I just had refreshed...

One thing I've learned about combat tempo list is probably the most important thing to think about is when you're doing something

When are you drawing your cards, when are you wanting to cast spells

[quasi magnet]

mhmm

[fathom elk]

how good is artist‘s talent in your deck?

[sharp flax]

Artist talent is fantastic in Narset

[quasi magnet]

yeah

[sharp flax]

I just didn't hae any additional copies for mine

[quasi magnet]

discard stuff for her to cast

[sharp flax]

And I wanted to try [[stillness in motion]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/59/stillness-in-motion

Stillness in Motion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, mill three cards. Then if your library has no cards in it, exile this enchantment and put five cards from your graveyard on top of your library in any order.
"The Meditation Realm is a willful puzzle. Seek, and it will impede. Wait, and it will permit passage."

[quasi magnet]

hmmmmmmm

[sharp flax]

But it's basically cheaper [[whirlwind of thought]] but with discard

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/311/whirlwind-of-thought

Whirlwind of Thought <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, draw a card.
As Narset struggled to meditate, tiny dragonlings spiraled around her, conjuring thoughts of ancient clans.

[quasi magnet]

yeah

that can level up into a cost reduction

I run it in Solphim Dragon's Approach and its a monster in that deck

like actually one of the best cards in there

[fathom elk]

ok just asking, I never played it

[quasi magnet]

highly recommend trying it out

a lot of the talents are VERY good

[rose iris]

Artist Talent is CRACKED

[quasi magnet]

hi Sovereign

welcome to my Narset party

15 cuts left

[rose iris]

Basically a one sided helm of awakening with upside (in the right deck)

Hello!

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/xe0mWUXnOUChHuk_DaQH3A look at it in this deck lol

[sharp flax]

[[synthesis pod]] is the sneaky fun card

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/onc/23/synthesis-pod

Synthesis Pod <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaup:292901508780130305>

Artifact
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
, , Exile a spell you control: Target opponent reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal a card with mana value equal to 1 plus the exiled spell's mana value. Exile that card, then that player shuffles. You may cast that exiled card without paying its mana cost.

[fathom elk]

this town ain‘t big enough maybe cut?
I would rather play snap

[quasi magnet]

all 3 steps of it do so much work

[quasi magnet]

already did

[rose iris]

beautiful

[quasi magnet]

Solphim loves being an artist

[fathom elk]

kitsa and drake hatcher I would cut

[quasi magnet]

Drake hatcher sure

Kitsa, idk actually

its a looter which is nice for Narset plus it can very easily start copying spells

[sharp flax]

Kitsa's good for copying narset's trigger

[quasi magnet]

mhmm

[sharp flax]

Since she also has vigilance

[quasi magnet]

yeah, they both get to attack together

[fathom elk]

ok fair

[quasi magnet]

Veyran in this deck is so nasty lol

[sharp flax]

So, attack with narset, tell to cast instant or sorcery, 2 prowess triggers on the stack for kitsa, activate ability to copy the spell

[fathom elk]

she is

[sharp flax]

Kitsa is better the larger the spells are you're casting

[quasi magnet]

mhmm

Kitsa loves Jesaki Revelation

which might be a cut sadly but I love big spells

[sharp flax]

I wonder if [[saheeli, sublime]] instead of young pyro

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/935/saheeli-sublime-artificer

Saheeli, Sublime Artificer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaur:292901509010817024><:manaur:292901509010817024>

Legendary Planeswalker — Saheeli
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create a 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature token.
−2: Target artifact you control becomes a copy of another target artifact or creature you control until end of turn, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types.
Loyalty: 5

[quasi magnet]

make two cutters

I did that in vcube last week and it won me games

[rose iris]

My first pass on cut recs

• mistfire adept
• fiery confluence
• elemental eruption
• 2 lands (your choice)

[fathom elk]

7 mana for revelation plus 2 for Kitsa ability, this a bit much

[rose iris]

there's a lot of mana reduction in this deck tbh

[quasi magnet]

I should add "...off of narset"

[quasi magnet]

what's the third one?

[fathom elk]

which cost also mana.
I think it‘s just too much mana

[quasi magnet]

oh damn

[rose iris]

[[elemental eruption]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/27/elemental-eruption

Elemental Eruption <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Create a 4/4 red Dragon Elemental creature token with flying and prowess.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)
The crater screamed into the wind, and the wind carried its blazing voice across the sky.

[quasi magnet]

I think a cut is Forth Eorlingas!

shoot

[quasi magnet]

lol I forgot that was in there

[rose iris]

lmaooo

[quasi magnet]

I dont wanna cut forth

but it being an X spell is so awkward

[sharp flax]

I'd consider [[surge of salvation]] trying to find a cut other than veto

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/41/surge-of-salvation

Surge of Salvation <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
You and permanents you control gain hexproof until end of turn. Prevent all damage that black and/or red sources would deal to creatures you control this turn.
No Meletian had ever laid eyes on an angel, but when protective Halo flooded the Multiverse, they knew a divine blessing was at hand.

[fathom elk]

x spells are kinda bad for narsets ability

[quasi magnet]

mhmm

I just love Forth Eorlingas...

like have you read this card?

its fucking wild

Ill cut it tho

[fathom elk]

but I loved when the rohirrim king shouted fortz eorlingas

[sharp flax]

Consult the star chart is one I'd maybe do instead

[rose iris]

i see you've been playing v cube lately...

:P

[sharp flax]

But it's probably fine

[quasi magnet]

I play canlander too...

[sharp flax]

It's a very good card but its impact feels very different for commander

[quasi magnet]

mhmm

I do have a list iwth it in it tho

so that's fine

I don't need it here

[sharp flax]

[[song of totentanz]] is an x spell I considered for Narset

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/150/song-of-totentanz

Song of Totentanz <:manax:292901509082120202><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Create X 1/1 black Rat creature tokens with "This token can't block." Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn.
Townsfolk tapped their feet and hummed along, unwittingly amplifying the tune that would summon their doom.

[quasi magnet]

I also wanna make a naya tokens deck that plays every token doubler just because. to be that deck that's like "I would never do this except to meme"

[sharp flax]

But with as few of creatures as I have it's not that bad for needing haste

[fathom elk]

the haste is real good

[rose iris]

the deck currently sorta feels torn between like go wide, spell slinger, and big spells/extra combat

[quasi magnet]

that sounds like how I brew, yes

[rose iris]

they all work well together but it does mean the deck is being pulled in three different directions

[quasi magnet]

the problem is the go-wide is kind of tied itno the otehr two since its mainly prowess go-wide

[sharp flax]

One thing, with you going wide as you are mesmeric orb will kill you

I run it in one that I'm not going near as wide and I still feel like it's going to kill me eventually

[quasi magnet]

oh true

[sharp flax]

And part of why I have [[stillness in motion]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/59/stillness-in-motion

Stillness in Motion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, mill three cards. Then if your library has no cards in it, exile this enchantment and put five cards from your graveyard on top of your library in any order.
"The Meditation Realm is a willful puzzle. Seek, and it will impede. Wait, and it will permit passage."

[quasi magnet]

so that's probably a cut

[fathom elk]

I would replace enter enigma with [[leap]] or [[shadow rift]] they are basically the same but instants which is way cooler

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/sth/35/leap

Leap <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains flying until end of turn.
Draw a card.
Mirri leapt quickly and silently. The guard died likewise.

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/66/shadow-rift

Shadow Rift <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains shadow until end of turn. (It can block or be blocked by only creatures with shadow.)
Draw a card.

[quasi magnet]

honestly I was planning to cut Enigma

[sharp flax]

I use [[lightfoot technique]] in the same vein

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/14/lightfoot-technique

Lightfoot Technique <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. It gains flying and indestructible until end of turn. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)
Jeskai monks spreading the Way in Abzan territories develop swift reflexes or find their travels abruptly cut short.

[quasi magnet]

just cut a couple more things, in case people need ot refresh

[rose iris]

in addition to enigma, monastery swiftspear is probably also on the chopping block

[fathom elk]

oh this is a cool card!
also good as protection

[quasi magnet]

yeah

[sharp flax]

Archmage of Runes feels in the wrong placement

[quasi magnet]

sigh

[fathom elk]

swiftspear has to go I think as well but I didn‘t wanted to suggest it because it‘s such an iconic card:(

[quasi magnet]

I guess

do I really cut Runes and keep Emeritus?

[rose iris]

yeahhh I mean its probably better off being a medallion if youre really looking for the discount

[fathom elk]

emeritus is the better one I think

[sharp flax]

I don't run either of them tbh, but that may be me being weird

[quasi magnet]

honestly I'd rather do that

[fathom elk]

I always liked emeritus in my own narset

[quasi magnet]

Like I'd rather have Ashling or similar for the looting

[rose iris]

I wouldn't run either of them either

[fathom elk]

but he also felt a bit slow with 4 mana

[sharp flax]

I don't have veyran in mine because I'm trying [[narset, jeskai waymaster]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/209/narset-jeskai-waymaster

Narset, Jeskai Waymaster <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
At the beginning of your end step, you may discard your hand. If you do, draw cards equal to the number of spells you've cast this turn.
"Each step we take is a decision that changes the course of our futures. We must be careful where we tread."
3/4

[quasi magnet]

Ashling is so good in this deck (magecraft is cracked)

[sharp flax]

Even though she'd make more sense

[quasi magnet]

I considered that narset

just wasn't sure if it did enough sometimes

tho the discard pairs well with Narset's ability

[sharp flax]

As I said I'm trying it

[quasi magnet]

yeah fair enough

okay I should get ready to work out lol

[fathom elk]

you probably need more cheaper spells to really make waymaster shine in your deck

[rose iris]

I know you're working on cuts - do you want me to share my own narset list I brewed up a few months ago?

[quasi magnet]

oh go ahead

im about to leave my desk so I will look at stuff later

[rose iris]

https://moxfield.com/decks/X5-CeWHl80m5B7WkNw6AkA

[sharp flax]

Going heavier on the mill is interesting

[fathom elk]

balmor would be a strong include in your deck as well, Storm

[sharp flax]

Bria is equivalent because it makes Narset unblockable

Also Balmor is only instants/sorceries

[fathom elk]

yes but giving all your pumped up tokens trample is huge

also balmor costs only 2 mana, bria 4

I would simply play both:)

[quasi magnet]

Will take a look at it once im home

[quasi magnet]

this is good, yeah

anyways im back form my workout

9 cuts

[quasi magnet]

@rose iris you suggested cutting fiery conf, so I assume a similar thoughts for mystic conf

interested to hear reasoning if you want, as I think I know why but just in case something else

[rose iris]

Oh I just generally think they’re a skosh overcosted for my preferred playstyle in commander

Mystic is better imo because its less conditional removal (hard counter, bounce anything)

I know they’re all stars in limited I just don’t personally love them in commander

If Fiery had a “exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn” I would be much higher on it

[quasi magnet]

copy that

still at 9 cuts left, damn

[sharp flax]

I'd cut one of the 3 battles

And I thought you were cutting mesmeric

[quasi magnet]

I am, just left before I went about it

[quasi magnet]

Went back live again

Went back live again

[wind bison]

Sorry i couldn’t make it this time, i knocked out by like 9pm

[quasi magnet]

Dont apologize id you have nothing to apologize for

[wind bison]

Fair, I do bc I planned to be there and then had not slept the entire night before lol

[quasi magnet]

Its fine

Might do one this morning since i work this evening

[wind bison]

Hell yeah, I’m wfh today, ping me when you do start

My twitch loves not notifying me

[quasi magnet]

Okay

I didnt want to ping anyone because its right there. If people wanted to know they can look

[quasi magnet]

Okay I wanna finish making cuts to this deck https://moxfield.com/decks/_rRghsPuWki3j0g-c_RNHQ

[dense spoke]

I'm too lazy to look through adn give recommendations but are you getting enough benefit from warleaders call?

[quasi magnet]

hmmm

11-12 things that make creature tokens and/or do stuff with creature tokens

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/iG96AMpan0eIkzMe-H8m6Q

okay, messing around with this

I want sway to be one of the big win cons in the deck

[sharp flax]

How is sway a wincon?

You should have [[vhal, candlekeep]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/102/vhal-candlekeep-researcher

Vhal, Candlekeep Researcher <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Vigilance
: Add an amount of equal to Vhal's toughness. This mana can't be spent to cast spells from your hand.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
2/3

[sharp flax]

[[change of plans]] [[march of swirling mist]] [[ripples of potential]] all feel like sensible includes

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/24/change-of-plans

Change of Plans <:manax:292901509082120202><:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Each of X target creatures you control connive. You may have any number of them phase out. (To have a creature connive, draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature. Treat phased-out permanents and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until their controller's next turn.)

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/61/march-of-swirling-mist

March of Swirling Mist <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of blue cards from your hand. This spell costs less to cast for each card exiled this way.
Up to X target creatures phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. Each one phases in before its controller untaps during their next untap step.)

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/77/ripples-of-potential

Ripples of Potential <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Proliferate, then choose any number of permanents you control that had a counter put on them this way. Those permanents phase out. (To proliferate, choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there. Treat phased-out permanents and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until their controller's next turn.)

[sharp flax]

Potentially [[teferi's veil]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/wth/53/teferis-veil

Teferi's Veil <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control attacks, it phases out at end of combat. (While it's phased out, it's treated as though it doesn't exist. It phases in before you untap during your next untap step.)
"I don't like to speak ill of 'walkers . . . but just what did Teferi think he was doing?" —Ertai, wizard adept

[rose iris]

I would also include all of the casting-from-gy type cards like [[torrential gearhulk]], [[snapcaster mage]] etc just for redundancy

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/128/torrential-gearhulk

Torrential Gearhulk <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Flash
When this creature enters, you may cast target instant card from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead.
5/6

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/71/snapcaster-mage

Snapcaster Mage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Flash
When this creature enters, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
2/1

[sharp flax]

[[scholar of the lost trove]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/14/scholar-of-the-lost-trove

Scholar of the Lost Trove <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Sphinx
Flying
When this creature enters, you may cast target instant, sorcery, or artifact card from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If an instant or sorcery spell cast this way would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead.
5/5

[trim minnow]

There's also the much worse [[quistis]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/66/quistis-trepe

Quistis Trepe <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Blue Magic — When Quistis Trepe enters, you may cast target instant or sorcery card from a graveyard, and mana of any type can be spent to cast that spell. If that spell would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead.
"It's not like everyone can get by on their own, you know?"
2/2

[trim minnow]

But it does it from any graveyard (at sorcery speed, YUCK!)

[quasi magnet]

how did my thread not show that I have all these messages?

[quasi magnet]

you put spells into exile that you can cast after resolving a sway to put everyone down to low totals and clear their boards

[quasi magnet]

idk...

[sharp flax]

Yeah, as hopefully obvious by my suggestions I got, but I was wanting to hear in case there was a specific combo I was missing

[quasi magnet]

that's fair

idk why my thread didn't show those messages to me, and just collapsed my thread

so all those suggestions and questions wen't unnoticed until now

what are the effects that let me play from exile?

suspend, adventure, foretell, plot, discover and cascade, what else?

tbf I will be able to just plot stuff

[rose iris]

If your gameplan revolves around a specific spell where there aren’t multiple versions of the effect, I’d run at least 2-3 ways to flash it back

[quasi magnet]

that's true yeah

you gotta convice me to not put Mystical Tutor in this deck lol

[rose iris]

Cipher, rebound, hideaway, imprint

https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Acast-from-nonhand+ci%3Au

[quasi magnet]

something tells me I won't be turning on any of the hideaway lands, but maybe the new cappena card

ill check

I think I play tron in this deck

and maybe some locus

[rose iris]

That could be fun

[quasi magnet]

oh my god

I think I play Teferi's Isle lol

that would be hilarious

but it can dodge sway if I time it right

like I probably make this some sort of artifacts deck

maybe

then I can play Tolarian AcademyUthros, Titanic Godcore maybe

[rose iris]

Probably yeah

[quasi magnet]

also lets me get a lot out of the tron lands

this does mean I'm doing some search effects

[rose iris]

Not if you just run a shit ton of [[impulse]] effects

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/56/impulse

Impulse <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Look at the top four cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
"I've always made snap decisions. I'm just better at making the right ones now that I'm older and wiser." —Teferi

[quasi magnet]

Brainstorm is a good one for this deck, eh

[rose iris]

Oh absolutely

[[scroll rack]] too

[quasi magnet]

also brainsurge

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/337/scroll-rack

Scroll Rack <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
, : Exile any number of cards from your hand face down. Put that many cards from the top of your library into your hand. Then look at the exiled cards and put them on top of your library in any order.

[quasi magnet]

oh good idea...

[quasi magnet]

something tells me none of these are making it in

none of those four other effects

[sharp flax]

How are you just finding about jewel in Tannuk

[quasi magnet]

I haven't played against Tannuk yet

[sharp flax]

Jewel is one of the funny includes for it

[quasi magnet]

somehow

oh its so good

that's why I was so shocked

How did I not think of that?!?

[sharp flax]

Did your friend have Clive?

[quasi magnet]

let me check, they sent their list

they sure do

https://archidekt.com/decks/14925102/tannuk

This is their list

[sharp flax]

This is the first draft I made for tannuk https://moxfield.com/decks/zTbjIUwznE6znLywo8bZIg

[quasi magnet]

ooooo

imma make a draft rn

or start one

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/t-MHG0xFAUubl3tJxMCzYw

[sharp flax]

You need some more devotion things

[quasi magnet]

how do you mean?

oh stuff with more pips?

[sharp flax]

Mm [[defiler of instinct]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/119/defiler-of-instinct

Defiler of Instinct <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Kavu
First strike
As an additional cost to cast red permanent spells, you may pay 2 life. Those spells cost less to cast if you paid life this way. This effect reduces only the amount of red mana you pay.
Whenever you cast a red permanent spell, this creature deals 1 damage to any target.
4/4

[sharp flax]

[[scrappy bruiser]] and [[yuffie, materia]] are the weird tech pieces I've found

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/162/scrappy-bruiser

Scrappy Bruiser <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Raccoon Warrior
Whenever this creature attacks, up to one target attacking creature gets +2/+0 and gains trample until end of turn. Return that creature to its owner's hand at end of combat. (Return it only if it's on the battlefield.)
"My flesh is an affront to existence? Come say that to my fist, you bloated rust bucket." —Koko, Riveteers welder
3/4

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/158/yuffie-materia-hunter

Yuffie, Materia Hunter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Ninja
Ninjutsu (, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
When Yuffie enters, gain control of target noncreature artifact for as long as you control Yuffie. Then you may attach an Equipment you control to Yuffie.
"I know you want my help because I'm so good!"
3/3

[sharp flax]

And [[getaway car]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/237/getaway-car

Getaway Car <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Vehicle
Haste
Whenever this Vehicle attacks or blocks, return up to one target creature that crewed it this turn to its owner's hand.
Crew 1
For those who need to make a quick departure without attracting undue attention.
4/3

[sharp flax]

Since they all allow you to re-buy etbs

[quasi magnet]

truuuue

[rose iris]

Hmmm….defiler, [[hazoret’s monument]], [[ruby medallion]] [[foundry inspector]], [[helm of awakening]]

FREE CASTING TIME BAY BE

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/183/hazorets-monument

Hazoret's Monument <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Legendary Artifact
Red creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
"The worthy shall rush to the God-Pharaoh's side with relentless zeal, rising to overcome every obstacle." —Monument inscription

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/295/ruby-medallion

Ruby Medallion <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Red spells you cast cost less to cast.
It is the warm glow of the setting sun at journey's end, the scent of the evening meal crackling over a fire, and the cacophony of a raucous song shared over tankards of mead. It is freedom.

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/385/foundry-inspector

Foundry Inspector <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Artifact spells you cast cost less to cast.
Automaton inspectors ensure that the Consulate's stringent standards for mass production are upheld.
3/2

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/224/helm-of-awakening

Helm of Awakening <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Spells cost less to cast.
"This little prize will cover your head, your spells, your bets, and your behind!" —Pashad ibn Asim, Suq'Ata trader

[quasi magnet]

true lol

hey, let's me make like 10 stormscale copies

[rose iris]

I was mostly memeing about all of the cost reducers, but hazorets monument and the medallion would both be really good here

[quasi magnet]

god I have no idea what to do for this Sway of the Stars deck

Ive just been stuck

[tulip trail]

Uhhh

How do u want to win

With sway of the star

[quasi magnet]

Put a bunch of spells into exile that I can cast later, plot, foretell, or similar, and then sway everything back to people’s decks, then cast them

[wheat horizon]

[[taigam, opportunist]]?

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/60/taigam-master-opportunist

Taigam, Master Opportunist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Flurry — Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, copy it, then exile the spell you cast with four time counters on it. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend. (At the beginning of its owner's upkeep, they remove a time counter. When the last is removed, they may play it without paying its mana cost. If it's a creature, it has haste.)
2/2

[quasi magnet]

Hmm, maybe

Actually yes

Amazing idea

[sharp flax]

Taigam is honestly one of the best options for this yeah

[wheat horizon]

With less of a reputation than Jhoira suspend

Taigam or [[tenth doctor]] since you can better control the setup for casting Sway off of suspend with time travel

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/3/the-tenth-doctor

The Tenth Doctor <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Time Lord Doctor
Allons-y! — Whenever you attack, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card. Put three time counters on it. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend.
Timey-Wimey — : Time travel three times. Activate only as a sorcery. (For each suspended card you own and each permanent you control with a time counter on it, you may add or remove a time counter. Then do it two more times.)
3/5

[quasi magnet]

I will add those to the deck, with the doctor being an exception because color identity

[sharp flax]

One thing that's nice about Taigam is you can either set it up so that you have a series of things that come out after sway OR you're pre-setting having a second copy of sway

[quasi magnet]

Mhmm

[golden parrot]

https://moxfield.com/decks/Hzq6j7T_rkCnyEDurgcKkA

[quasi magnet]

Already this list looks fun

[golden parrot]

I am struggling with some of the more "veggies"

like 23 creatures still sounds a bit low to me

but i also have like no interaction suit

[quasi magnet]

Yeah I love it

[quasi magnet]

I would agree for goreclaw

[quasi magnet]

Your interaction is pretty low. Tbf your land count is very high

Could always add [[bridgeworks battle]] and [[disciple of freyalise]] to help with that

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/249/bridgeworks-battle-tanglespan-bridgeworks

Bridgeworks Battle <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Target creature you control gets +2/+2 until end of turn. It fights up to one target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
"I thought trolls were supposed to be under bridges!" —Nelvin, Vantress squire

Tanglespan Bridgeworks
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
The chasm formed during the Phyrexian Invasion quickly filled with new life.

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/250/disciple-of-freyalise-garden-of-freyalise

Disciple of Freyalise <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
When this creature enters, you may sacrifice another creature. If you do, you gain X life and draw X cards, where X is that creature's power.
"Freyalise is gone, but her song lives on."
3/3

Garden of Freyalise
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
The Juniper Order safeguards secret places that still thrum with traces of Freyalise's life-giving magic.

[quasi magnet]

Disciple is even cheaper

With Goreclaw

[golden parrot]

my one rule for creatures is that i want them all to be affected by Gorecalw

all must be 4 or more power

i have not looked at fightspellst hough

[quasi magnet]

Oh power 4 or greater

I forgot its not mv 4+

yeah you got big creatures, fight and bite spells are good for your deck

theres one from MAT that I love but can never recall the name

[golden parrot]

I did finish my draft

https://moxfield.com/decks/Hzq6j7T_rkCnyEDurgcKkA

[quasi magnet]

Woo

Will look in a bit

Just got back from a workout

[quasi magnet]

so much for "in a bit"

love me some thrun

I like the deck

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/T_ouUc0HOUiSIRE7nYob6A

https://moxfield.com/decks/Gplrfw2cCkWweYct1yeA1A

https://moxfield.com/decks/GsgzCKJMvUi5qBXZJ_kxsQ

throwing these projects into here

also this https://moxfield.com/decks/-T1N1avxYkuzRaIIpUkF_g

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/A4-YMzaikEWsz2YZVv4nSg

[golden parrot]

seems like i inspired a Goreclaw brew here

[quasi magnet]

Yes

There was also an ATLA card that’s responsible

So you and an ATLA card that someone pinged me about

[[boulder, ready]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/168/the-boulder-ready-to-rumble

The Boulder, Ready to Rumble <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior Performer
Whenever The Boulder attacks, earthbend X, where X is the number of creatures you control with power 4 or greater. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put X +1/+1 counters on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)
"The Boulder's gonna win this in a landslide!"
4/4

[quasi magnet]

@dense spoke I'm currently wondering if I cut [[idol of oblivion]] from Phelia

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/319/idol-of-oblivion

Idol of Oblivion <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
: Draw a card. Activate only if you created a token this turn.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Create a 10/10 colorless Eldrazi creature token.
"Arise, great one, and cleanse the world of our enemies!"

[dense spoke]

Ahhhh

it;s a flaw too, because tag "enters in company" works for any CREATURE that makes another creature token on ETB. And "multiple bodies" works for any spell that makes tokens, but at least 2. As fars I can find, there isn't one that just says "makes a token" in general, it's always claused

[quasi magnet]

and I wanted a quick way to find it

yeah

[dense spoke]

In that case I'd end up just using o:"token" and counting the results haha

[quasi magnet]

I think I counted 11 total things that make tokens

which most if not all are repeatable due to commander

but still, is 11 out of 62 enough for idol?

[sharp flax]

Yes

[quasi magnet]

okay

[dense spoke]

11 means you find one every ~10 cards or so, which means probably by turn 3 or 4 you have a way to make this thing work

[quasi magnet]

I was looking at it and was like "I didn't lean into tokens that much, so idk if this card actually does anything, or enough"

[sharp flax]

You can also put in like [[fountainport]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/253/fountainport

Fountainport

Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice a token: Draw a card.
, , Pay 1 life: Create a 1/1 blue Fish creature token.
, : Create a Treasure token.

[quasi magnet]

true

this is a mono-colored deck

[dense spoke]

just have to pay the mana toll more

[sharp flax]

There are other token making lands

[dense spoke]

but it is a land

[sharp flax]

You can also include [[preston]]

[quasi magnet]

its a land in a mono-colored deck, which helps

[sturdy gale]

Multiple cards match “preston”, can you be more specific?

[sharp flax]

[[Preston the vanisher]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/j22/8/preston-the-vanisher

Preston, the Vanisher <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Wizard
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, if it wasn't cast, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's a 0/1 white Illusion.
, Sacrifice five Illusions: Exile target nonland permanent.
2/5

[quasi magnet]

oooo

yes please

[quasi magnet]

so imma edit my list of projects

https://moxfield.com/decks/T_ouUc0HOUiSIRE7nYob6A

https://moxfield.com/decks/Gplrfw2cCkWweYct1yeA1A

https://moxfield.com/decks/qkY6UJlZ-EyGFJqx4uC4qQ

https://moxfield.com/decks/-T1N1avxYkuzRaIIpUkF_g

https://moxfield.com/decks/A4-YMzaikEWsz2YZVv4nSg

https://moxfield.com/decks/Mp7NcD8EvEi3O4x5n7eKTw

okay, embed limit is 5

For the last one (Capitoline Triad) I need more ways to put stuff in the bin

[sharp flax]

I think [[murderers axe]] is the only free discard

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/soi/259/murderers-axe

Murderer's Axe <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2.
Equip—Discard a card.
Though the first who raised it in a fit of passion is long dead, the axe still carries memories of bitter scorn.

[sharp flax]

Like where you can keep discarding because it doesn't cost mana and doesn't need to tap

Nm [[patchwork gnomes]] also do

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/299/patchwork-gnomes

Patchwork Gnomes <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Gnome
Discard a card: Regenerate this creature. (The next time this creature would be destroyed this turn, instead tap it, remove it from combat, and heal all damage on it.)
One wizard's trash is another wizard's roving gang of abominations.
2/1

[trim minnow]

Also (slowly) working on a phelia blink deck.

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/GsgzCKJMvUi5qBXZJ_kxsQ

[slate tangle]

Wtf im not in here

Mb

[trim minnow]

Fake friend smh

[slate tangle]

This is a 404 for me, maybe a search? (i do that a lot)

[trim minnow]

He has it privated

Or just a mistyped url

[quasi magnet]

No I know why

I deleted that list because it was the tutor one and I wasn’t liking it

Ill repost it

https://moxfield.com/decks/qkY6UJlZ-EyGFJqx4uC4qQ

[trim minnow]

Needless to say, there are a ton of airbending things for the phelia deck

[[airbender's ascension]] 👀

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/6/airbender-ascension

Airbender Ascension <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, airbend up to one target creature.
Whenever a creature you control enters, put a quest counter on this enchantment.
At the beginning of your end step, if this enchantment has four or more quest counters on it, exile up to one target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control.

[quasi magnet]

True

I should try them out

[sharp flax]

So, if you are honestly building River, forced effects are really key

[quasi magnet]

I might

Not currently on my list

[sharp flax]

I went with a more political combo list and @wheat horizon went with [[hive mind]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/m10/54/hive-mind

Hive Mind <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts an instant or sorcery spell, each other player copies that spell. Each of those players may choose new targets for their copy.
"All consciousness is one, separated only by a thin veil of the physical." —Jace Beleren

[sharp flax]

https://moxfield.com/decks/cWSQzStyY0SZov-Xnxg0dQ just for your reference if curious

[wheat horizon]

I love that that reads like a juxtaposition between suave, sophisticated political schemer and feral cackling “why are you hitting yourself” combo troll

[slate tangle]

Im gonna be building her pure slug if/when I do (Jeff keeps telling me to)

[sharp flax]

I mean, mine's still fundamentally a combo list.

[slate tangle]

Izzet [[rurik thar]]

[sturdy gale]

No card found for “rurik thar”

[sharp flax]

[[ruric thar]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/271/ruric-thar-the-unbowed

Ruric Thar, the Unbowed <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Ogre Warrior
Vigilance, reach
Ruric Thar attacks each combat if able.
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, Ruric Thar deals 6 damage to that player.
6/6

[sharp flax]

I remembered it with a K as well

[wheat horizon]

Haha I know, it just made this immediately pop into my head the way I read the comment initially

[sharp flax]

Considering I'm one of two River decks playing stuff like [[world at war]] "normal" is a tall claim

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/roe/172/world-at-war

World at War <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
After the second main phase this turn, there's an additional combat phase followed by an additional main phase. At the beginning of that combat, untap all creatures that attacked this turn.
Rebound (If you cast this spell from your hand, exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.)

[sharp flax]

602/3,434 River decks play Hive Mind, so probably reverse your meme

[wheat horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/close-perfect-sentence-doctor-who-doctor-gif-5625991

[sharp flax]

@quasi magnet Sorry to hijack

[quasi magnet]

Dont apologize

Its relevant

[sharp flax]

OK, figured I'd give you the opening to say to stop

[quasi magnet]

I will say it if I would prefer it

[quasi magnet]

okay Im working on my Toph list and Im almost done

or at least almost to 100 cards

[rose iris]

[[aftermath analyst]] [[clifftop lookout]] [[elvish rejuv]] [[loot exuberant]] [[nissa | mat]]

[[lumra bellow]] [[six | mh3]] [[territory culler]] [[traveling botanist]] [[walk in closet]] [[song of freyalise]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/183/lumra-bellow-of-the-woods

Lumra, Bellow of the Woods <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Bear
Vigilance, reach
Lumra's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control.
When Lumra enters, mill four cards. Then return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
*/*

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/169/six

Six <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Treefolk
Reach
Whenever Six attacks, mill three cards. You may put a land card from among them into your hand.
During your turn, nonland permanent cards in your graveyard have retrace. (You may cast permanent cards from your graveyard by discarding a land card in addition to paying their other costs.)
2/4

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/173/territory-culler

Territory Culler <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Eldrazi
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Reach
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, look at the top card of your library. If it's a creature card, you may reveal it and put it into your hand. If you don't put the card into your hand, you may put it into your graveyard.
7/5

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/164/traveling-botanist

Traveling Botanist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dog Scout
Whenever this creature becomes tapped, look at the top card of your library. If it's a land card, you may reveal it and put it into your hand. If you don't put the card into your hand, you may put it into your graveyard.
Every part of every plant is useful—for food, for medicine, and for ceremonies.
2/3

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/205/walk-in-closet-forgotten-cellar

Walk-In Closet <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Room
You may play lands from your graveyard.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Forgotten Cellar
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, you may cast spells from your graveyard this turn, and if a card would be put into your graveyard from anywhere this turn, exile it instead.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/179/song-of-freyalise

Song of Freyalise <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I, II — Until your next turn, creatures you control gain ": Add one mana of any color."
III — Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control. Those creatures gain vigilance, trample, and indestructible until end of turn.

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/91/aftermath-analyst

Aftermath Analyst <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Detective
When this creature enters, mill three cards.
, Sacrifice this creature: Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
"Could someone bring me more evidence markers? Like...a lot more?"
1/3

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/168/clifftop-lookout

Clifftop Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Frog Scout
Reach
When this creature enters, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a land card. Put that card onto the battlefield tapped and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
1/2

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/191/elvish-rejuvenator

Elvish Rejuvenator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
When this creature enters, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/106/loot-exuberant-explorer

Loot, Exuberant Explorer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Beast Noble
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
, : Look at the top six cards of your library. You may reveal a creature card with mana value less than or equal to the number of lands you control from among them and put it onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
1/4

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/22/nissa-resurgent-animist

Nissa, Resurgent Animist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Scout
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, add one mana of any color. Then if this is the second time this ability has resolved this turn, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal an Elf or Elemental card. Put that card into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
3/3

[quasi magnet]

Oh my god I didn't even need to ping you

[rose iris]

oh?

[quasi magnet]

do I dare put constant mists into this deck?

[slate tangle]

Do you dare not?

[golden parrot]

I would not

[quasi magnet]

so Im up to 127 cards and I didn't accidentally add any tutors lol

[golden parrot]

Mists essentially says " combat decks cant win" in an earthbend deck, if you arent already willing to play glacial chasm i would not play a mista

[quasi magnet]

now the question is do I put dark depths and thespian's stage in here

[slate tangle]

You can use the new [[marit lage|TLA]]

[sturdy gale]

No card found named “marit lage” in Avatar: The Last Airbender

[slate tangle]

I find the combo doesn't do that much and draws a ton of aggro, but being able to rebuy it a few times does sound fun

[quasi magnet]

I refuse to use those printings only because of what the art is

[slate tangle]

Is this one of the screen grabs?

Ah yeah

[quasi magnet]

MHMMMMMMM

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/Gplrfw2cCkWweYct1yeA1A

bringing my goreclaw list back up to the top for some focus

any creatures yall think I should add?

mainly just adding tons of creatures rn, then gonna work on the rest of the 99

[quasi magnet]

so Im now over the 100-card count and I have no idea if there's other things I want lol

I already gotta cut but I feel like I'm not done adding things?

help

[golden parrot]

[[Diamond Weapon]] and [[Ultima, Origin]] are great inclusions imo

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/183/diamond-weapon

Diamond Weapon <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Elemental
This spell costs less to cast for each permanent card in your graveyard.
Reach
Immune — Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to Diamond Weapon.
A tutelary creature said only to appear when the planet is in grave danger.
8/8

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/2/ultima-origin-of-oblivion

Ultima, Origin of Oblivion <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Legendary Creature — God
Flying
Whenever Ultima attacks, put a blight counter on target land. For as long as that land has a blight counter on it, it loses all land types and abilities and has ": Add ."
Whenever you tap a land for , add an additional .
4/4

[quasi magnet]

Hmm, maybe

[quasi magnet]

Updating my current projects:

https://moxfield.com/decks/DqH8Ev2oGUW3o3xLoiBXDw

https://moxfield.com/decks/Gplrfw2cCkWweYct1yeA1A

https://moxfield.com/decks/qkY6UJlZ-EyGFJqx4uC4qQ

https://moxfield.com/decks/eLr0-nzyNU-itFbL5Ocrig

Also I want to find a cut in my Solphim list for [[Invasion of Karsus]] so any suggestions are appreciated: https://moxfield.com/decks/xe0mWUXnOUChHuk_DaQH3A

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/146/invasion-of-karsus-refraction-elemental

Invasion of Karsus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, it deals 3 damage to each creature and each planeswalker.
Defense: 4

Refraction Elemental
Creature — Elemental
Ward—Pay 2 life.
Whenever you cast a spell, this creature deals 2 damage to each opponent.
The crystal landslide stirred over the shattered forms of the Machine Legion vanguard, and then it rose and rearranged itself into an avenging colossus.
4/4

[quasi magnet]

So I am dismantling Ygra, and plan to at some point make some more Golgari lists

Currently throwing together a Mycotyrant/Nemata concept list as well as changing the contents of Ygra

[golden parrot]

Can recommend Sorcery Speed Savra

[rose iris]

Nemata is sweet. I put a list with her together a while ago

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/B8SDVsEnIEaAldzfB5eUiQ

so Im tweaking this list a bit.

cut all the tutors except Kura

plan is to just use the token mode

also demo field

[wind bison]

What about this is related to season of gathering

No offense i was just trying to find the link lol

[quasi magnet]

oh its a stretch lol

the deck list im working on is running it

I think Yedora is finally being retired

and Im gonna try to make cat car

in paper

[quasi magnet]

Ill take whatever recs you are willing to give

[wind bison]

What’s the plan here

I’m just seeing a lot of cards and not much ado with them

[quasi magnet]

Oh, its a tokens deck

Make various tokens, copy tokens with cat car, profit

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/B8SDVsEnIEaAldzfB5eUiQ looking to make 7 cuts (no Invasion of Ixalan is not one of them)

(of course any extra "maybe try this card in the deck" is welcome too)

all cards in line for cutting are going to the sideboard

[quasi magnet]

Ive settled on the current list for now

[rose iris]

Figured here'd be less busy - #commander message

[quasi magnet]

mhmm

[rose iris]

[[herd heirloom]] is sweet

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/144/herd-heirloom

Herd Heirloom <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact
: Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast a creature spell.
: Until end of turn, target creature you control with power 4 or greater gains trample and "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, draw a card."

[quasi magnet]

true

[rose iris]

Guild Artisan, Passionate Archeologist, Sword Coast Sailor, and Tavern Brawler are all decent includes

https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Abackground+ci%3Atemur&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

bane's contingency, klauth's will, road of return, tome of legends, witch's clinic, will of the sultai

idk what kind of budget you're looking for

[quasi magnet]

oh idc

likely this won't make it to paper

at best it would be proxied

[rose iris]

fair

[quasi magnet]

currently I only plan to own my colorless and five mono colored decks, plus some upgraded and unmodified precons

but it would be cool to stay under say 200 bucks

if not 100

[rose iris]

[[aqueous form]] [[candlestick]] [[mage slayer]] [[ordeal of nylea]] [[tempered in solitude]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/56/aqueous-form

Aqueous Form <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature can't be blocked.
Whenever enchanted creature attacks, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/43/candlestick

Candlestick <:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact — Clue Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has "Whenever this creature attacks, surveil 2." (Look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)
, Sacrifice this Equipment: Draw a card.
Equip

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/140/mage-slayer

Mage Slayer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, it deals damage equal to its power to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.
Equip
"When the wielder is strong enough, any sword will do." —Kresh the Bloodbraided

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/641/ordeal-of-nylea

Ordeal of Nylea <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Whenever enchanted creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on it. Then if it has three or more +1/+1 counters on it, sacrifice this Aura.
When you sacrifice this Aura, search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/165/tempered-in-solitude

Tempered in Solitude <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
Many master samurai make pilgrimages deep into the Sokenzan Mountains, where they train and meditate in silence, hoping to commune with a lava kami.

[rose iris]

[[two handed axe]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/203/two-handed-axe-sweeping-cleave

Two-Handed Axe <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, double its power until end of turn.
Equip

Sweeping Cleave
Instant — Adventure
Target creature you control gains double strike until end of turn. (Then exile this card. You may cast the artifact later from exile.)

[rose iris]

extra combat and/or extra turn spells are common too

[quasi magnet]

very fun

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/qkY6UJlZ-EyGFJqx4uC4qQ working on cutting this down to a legal amount of cards

interested in keeping some of the more fun/goofy cards

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/kyWYaTfK_0ms34fiqsnkFg

messing around with Malcolm

have not really made sure the veggies are in the list yet

just trying to get the fun cards in first

[quasi magnet]

My current commander roster, and their respective play counts for this year

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16FyJtZ0lhg4ci_qz1SL00K_W_XHYgd5rqWFZeC6XEHY/edit?usp=sharing

@wind bison are you able to pin this?

[wind bison]

Yeah

[quasi magnet]

thanks friend

[slate tangle]

Stats

[quasi magnet]

mhmm

did 2 games today: 1 with Bello and 1 with Gix; both were wins

[slate tangle]

Win a game with Parhelion please

Angel car

[quasi magnet]

Yeah

Solphim and Parhelion are the only two I have no wins with

so likely the ones I will play next time

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/99nv7UXuukS2G4PGSC4-vA

[slate tangle]

Mono white decks look like they are in light mode while in dark mode

This deck rules, I love mono white control

[quasi magnet]

lol

[slate tangle]

I just generally like playing vehicles and watching creatures die

[quasi magnet]

Ive been enjoying pitching Valor's Flagship to its own ability, and the getting it back via various effects like [[one last job]] because this card is so good

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/22/one-last-job

One Last Job <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)

• — Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
• — Return target Mount or Vehicle card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
• — Return target Aura or Equipment card from your graveyard to the battlefield attached to a creature you control.

[quasi magnet]

holy moly one last job

[slate tangle]

That card is crazy

I should definitely put it in tails

[high parcel]

why pell did not know this thread

[quasi magnet]

because the activity is inconsistent

but I do want to change that lol

[wind bison]

You say that but

[quasi magnet]

my play count sheet is pinned here now

[wind bison]

Life has a funny way

[slate tangle]

Hey I just started using mine again after a long ass break

[quasi magnet]

lol

https://moxfield.com/decks/xe0mWUXnOUChHuk_DaQH3A

@high parcel @slate tangle if you also want to see Solphim, the other deck without a win so far

[high parcel]

i looked at this and i was like "why is this so tiny"

and then i saw the 28 copies of dragons approach

[quasi magnet]

yeah

also this deck is only on 31 lands plus 3 MDFCs

and 1 of those is always tapped

[high parcel]

oof

[quasi magnet]

so its definitely on a land count that's not reasonable lol

but its not super common to be screwed

[high parcel]

i know this is just me being weird but have you considered going up a couple of lands and playing zell

[quasi magnet]

[[zell]]

[sturdy gale]

Multiple cards match “zell”, can you be more specific?

[quasi magnet]

hmmm

(I have considered going up lands, but idk what to cut lol)

maybe magus of the wheel

[high parcel]

[[Zell dincht]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/170/zell-dincht

Zell Dincht <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Zell Dincht gets +1/+0 for each land you control.
At the beginning of your end step, return a land you control to its owner's hand.
"My weapons are these fists of mine!"
0/3

[high parcel]

sorry

[quasi magnet]

I dont think this deck wants or needs this

[high parcel]

it's just short-term ramp that gives you replays on mountains for valakut etc.

[quasi magnet]

it does

but I think this deck would rather just have another basic than Zell

[high parcel]

maybe

i would not be at 31 either way

[quasi magnet]

yeah

I may go down on Magus for another basic

heck may even cut Locket of Yesterdays for one

otherwise idk what else I'd cut

[high parcel]

i actually like locket here

i would not cut it

approach is 3 mana, that's a lot

if i were pell (and i am) i would be off valakut exploration

even though i think that card's cracked

[quasi magnet]

okay

So do you think Magus is a fine/good cut for a land?

Exploration Im not sure I want to cut rn

[high parcel]

i think so

magus is the weakest wheel

[quasi magnet]

I do have 6 other wheel style effects

and none of them require said source waiting a turn to be proced

now do I add a basic or a nonbasic?

[high parcel]

mines of moria?

[[mines of moria]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/257/mines-of-moria

Mines of Moria

Legendary Land
Mines of Moria enters tapped unless you control a legendary creature.
: Add .
, , Exile three cards from your graveyard: Create two Treasure tokens.
"Moria! Moria! Wonder of the Northern world!" —Glóin

[high parcel]

i guess this isn't that great, you probably don't have solphim out early all that frequently

[quasi magnet]

yeah, the other thing is I dont generally want to exile DAs for treasure, and that's most often what will be in the bin

[high parcel]

but like, repeatable treasure generation is pretty good

yeah fair

[quasi magnet]

Barbarian Ring isn't bad, and Castle Embereth will enter untapped a lot

[high parcel]

i like embereth, but i dont know what your deck really gets from it

seems expensive for deck where all the creatures are dragons

barb ring is probably worth it though

[quasi magnet]

yeah if any it might be barb ring

the other thing would be potentially swapping in some of the cyclers, but I would need to buy those; I do not have to buy a barb ring, I have several from MH3

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/vvOeY1B6a0qH1qDX2O07lQ

Nothing like a very interesting artifact commander that also does KCI loops pretty well

[quasi magnet]

I would love thoughts on this

@rose iris you're awake

@high parcel you're around too

okay that's enough pinging

[high parcel]

Pell is on the road and will respond in roughly 30 minutes

[quasi magnet]

don't worry about it too much

stay safe friend

[wind bison]

I would help but I’m not artifact deck brained

[quasi magnet]

I mean

I appreciate anything you ahve to add/say

[wind bison]

Uhhhhh

The Megalodon is estimated to have had upwards of 40,000 teeth, making fossils of its teeth worth a surprisingly small amount of money, even in good condition

[quasi magnet]

thanks

[high parcel]

hey question why did we cut sol ring

[quasi magnet]

Oh it was never in the deck

[high parcel]

oh why

[quasi magnet]

I dont run it really

[high parcel]

hmm

have we considered stridehangar automaton

your commander creates a token every time it is activated, getting a scrap and a thopter seems superior

i also think that i would consider running demand answers even if you don't think you need the draw

[quasi magnet]

Oh not a bad idea

[high parcel]

Looked over this again and really those are the only includes I think you're missing, maybe

actually, you might still want [[Sojourner's Companion]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/235/sojourners-companion

Sojourner's Companion <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Artifact Creature — Salamander
Affinity for artifacts
Artifact landcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for an artifact land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
Before Phyrexia's corruption, many of Mirrodin's creatures were more curious than cruel.
4/4

[high parcel]

card's still notably very good, slobad turns it into 7 mana if you don't have any artifact lands left to get, etc.

and it'll usually cost 0 so it's easy for engineer or welder to turn into something else

[quasi magnet]

Mhmm

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/kyWYaTfK_0ms34fiqsnkFg

in the business of keeping this thread active

I wanna try finishing this list

@rose iris you were just here so Im pinging you lol

@high parcel you as well lol (sorry friend but I appreciate your insight)

[rose iris]

Howdy. On my way home from dinner with my partners extended family

[quasi magnet]

oh don't sweat it

[quasi magnet]

Storm's Brewing Projects and Archive

[quasi magnet]

@sharp flax happy for any other advice, just moving it to here so the convo isn't lost

[high parcel]

ok so

pell help

6 cuts, what are we doing what are your non-negotiables and are there any combos i should know about

[quasi magnet]

Idk if there’s many/any combos

But rn just looking for apparent weakspots/fluff

Currently at the gym so will come back to whatever

Kind of just needed prompts to actually cut things lol

Someone helped earlier with that with Silver Myr and stuff

[high parcel]

Alright, if that's all the guidance I'm being given:

• I think Mind Stone is a little mediocre here, but Arcane Signet or Sky Diamond would legitimately be better due to a highish pip count. Not necessarily a cut, just an observation.
• I think Taigam is extremely mediocre unless you've got cards that Time Travel. It's unfortunate, but 4 entire rounds is a lot.
• I don't know how much you're getting out of Body Double, but 5 mana for a clone is rough.
• I am not big on Karn's Temporal Sundering, I think it should really be either Nexus of Fate or Capture of Jingzhou.
• Gossip's Talent is pretty weak here. We're not really utilizing it super well with a lower creature count and no real flicker synergy.
• I think Propaganda's going to get you murdered more often than it will prevent you from doing so. It's a psychological thing, but Prop should never be your only "stax" piece.
• I think Serum Visions is just really weak here overall.
• I weirdly think Mirror Room//Fractured Realm is your worst big free spell. It only gives you half of it free off of Malcolm, and while it's a good effect, it's the worst one.

[quasi magnet]

Holy moly you are thoughtful

[high parcel]

Suggestions included, I do wanna take a note to say "I don't know how much Capture of Jingzhou is right now, it could be really expensive, it has been in the past, but I know it literally just had a secret lair so maybe it's not so bad?"

Ah, it was in Commander Masters, so it's $10. Very reasonable.

[quasi magnet]

(This isn’t a deck that cares super much about price)

If it enters my hands in paper its not via real cards

[sharp flax]

Sorry, I had lunch and things turn up

[quasi magnet]

Youre good

Its not that urgent

Any/all help is appreciated

[high parcel]

I figured but it's always worth checking on stuff like that because some people do care about proxying expensive stuff, I don't think you're one of them but it's something my brain makes sure to go to.

And I knew nexus is dirt cheap rn but i didnt know capture because it fluctuates hard

[quasi magnet]

(I am at 1 cut rn)

[quasi magnet]

No for sure, it can be relvant

[high parcel]

Taigam, Body Double, Gossip's Talent, Prop, Serum Visions, and Mirror Room should be 6?

[sharp flax]

[[Virtue of knowledge]] only has 4 targets

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/76/virtue-of-knowledge-vantress-visions

Virtue of Knowledge <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
If a permanent entering causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.

Vantress Visions
Instant — Adventure
Copy target activated or triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.

[high parcel]

another great option

i specifically didnt mention it because it does copy malcolm triggers on the cheaper half

[quasi magnet]

Taigam, body double, mirror room, gossip’s talent.

Those are the 4 i cut (i had dropped 2 earlier but maybe I add the myr back)

I think im swapping out virtue for the myr

[quasi magnet]

realizing Mirrorform, while fun, is not great in this deck without the clones package

[sharp flax]

Mirrorform is a powerful but challenging card to include

[quasi magnet]

Yeah

[sharp flax]

I've only found a handful of commanders for it

[quasi magnet]

Either for a deck where the main targets arent legendary, or where you have a way to actually copy a legend, ie sakashima decks

[sharp flax]

And you need a lot of tokens

[quasi magnet]

Mhmm

[quasi magnet]

@slate tangle @high parcel @rose iris

Solphim and Parhelion finally have their first wins of this year

Also got 2 surprise C games in, borrowing some decks:
first was Flubs: won
Second was with Kinnan: lost

[high parcel]

big flubs win

we out here drawing our copy of song of creation

[rose iris]

I can’t wait until we get a non noah bradley (or miku) art

[quasi magnet]

actually food chain this time

I had eruth in my opening hand lol

[high parcel]

not our copy of song of creation nevermind

[quasi magnet]

yeah, food chain squee

I think tomorrow imma bring one of my c proxied decks

[quasi magnet]

https://moxfield.com/decks/Gplrfw2cCkWweYct1yeA1A

next for fun project

currently just at the stage of making cuts

but happy for any suggestions as well

[quasi magnet]

22 cards over the limit, hell yeah

[quasi magnet]

Im down to 120

[sharp flax]

[[Garruk's horde]] and [[verdant sun's avatar]]?

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/w17/24/garruks-horde

Garruk's Horde <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Beast
Trample
Play with the top card of your library revealed.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library. (Do this only any time you could cast that creature spell. You still pay the spell's costs.)
7/7

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/262/verdant-suns-avatar

Verdant Sun's Avatar <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur Avatar
Whenever this creature or another creature you control enters, you gain life equal to that creature's toughness.
"Ixalli's fertile rays enliven us all. Each of us is a testament to the sun's strength and love." —Chitlati, Lightning Rider
5/5

[sharp flax]

I know the horde is a 7/7 future sight but it feels late even with the reductions?

[quasi magnet]

current otag counts:
Ramp - 25 (it doesn't count medallions or nature's will); could cut this down
Card advantage - 39 (this includes cycling lands and veil of summer type cards by the otag)
Removal - 18 (including land removal like wasteland) + 1 counter effect
GY hate - 0 currently...

[sharp flax]

Thoughts on [[the earth crystal]]?

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/184/the-earth-crystal

The Earth Crystal <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Artifact
Green spells you cast cost less to cast.
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, twice that many +1/+1 counters are put on that creature instead.
, : Distribute two +1/+1 counters among one or two target creatures you control.

[quasi magnet]

I considered it yeah

I can add it for now

idk why but Im weirdly attached to VSA for this deck...

This is all the ramp plus Earth Crystal, Rhonas's Monument, Emerald Medallion, and technically Nature's Will

so 28 pieces total

Trailtracker scout didn't get pictured

@high parcel @trim minnow wanna help me mess with this mess?

because even for a deck highly skewed to the back of the curve, I don't think 28 ramp pieces is a good idea

Card Advantage

even if we take out the one-off stuff like Regal Behemoth, Veil of Summer, and the cycling lands, its still well over 30 pieces

[sharp flax]

[[Railway brawler]] is one I was expecting to see

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/175/railway-brawler

Railway Brawler <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Rhino Warrior
Reach, trample
Whenever another creature you control enters, put X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is its power.
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
5/5

[quasi magnet]

oh damn

well, its there now

I almost put Orouburoid, but its not 4 power

like, its still cracked even if I hard cast it instead of 2-cast it

but idk

I think I'll leave it out

[sharp flax]

[[Golden guardian]] is "fine" from my experience

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/rix/179/golden-guardian-gold-forge-garrison

Golden Guardian <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Golem
Defender
: This creature fights another target creature you control. When this creature dies this turn, return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.
4/4

Gold-Forge Garrison
Land
(Transforms from Golden Guardian.)
: Add two mana of any one color.
, : Create a 4/4 colorless Golem artifact creature token.
An army of living gold for the golden city.

[quasi magnet]

yeah

I don't know if its for this deck

I think Primordial Sage is one of the weaker card draw pieces

there's a lot of other cards that do that for less mana

[sharp flax]

I have if in my golem deck and it's only fine there

You'd think it would manage better than fine if it would anywhere

The main issue is the cost of the fight activation

[high parcel]

pell was eepin til a few moments ago please hold

[quasi magnet]

you're fine friend

so was I except to about an hour ago

[high parcel]

aight so you know my questions

• what are we doing
• are there any combos/key synergies
• what are your non-negotiables

[quasi magnet]

Idt this is gonna be much of a combo deck, its mostly just tons of big creatures to run over people with

[high parcel]

ok before i even start this off i already need to suggest something that isnt in here

[quasi magnet]

honestly not sure if there's any thing in terms fo the creatures Im too strong on wanting to stay (if there are I can find them as I go lol)

[high parcel]

most of your deck triggers [[up the beanstalk]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/195/up-the-beanstalk

Up the Beanstalk <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters and whenever you cast a spell with mana value 5 or greater, draw a card.
"It's not so bad. All you have to do is keep from looking down." —Troyan, to Kellan and Ruby

[quasi magnet]

true

[high parcel]

it's like, a lot

[quasi magnet]

I was considering too yeah

(I accidentally typed "true" into the moxfield search instead of in here lol)

[high parcel]

obviously never cut like, guardian project for it

LMAO

hey moxfield, find me " "

[quasi magnet]

my brain went "I should say true... wait, wrong textbar"

I mean, Im at 40 pieces of card advantage including the cycling lands and thos ekinds of one-offs

[high parcel]

that's good

creature decks should have a lot

[quasi magnet]

mhmm

Im at 20 cuts rn

(just in case you may need to refresh)

[sharp flax]

[[True]] out of curiosity

[sturdy gale]

Multiple cards match “True”, can you be more specific?

[quasi magnet]

if you wanna leave any suggestions I will look at them

gonna go to the store in a bit but still have some time

[high parcel]

i am taking a look rn

[quasi magnet]

damn, I wish I could just leave it here

just let me have a 120 card deck with a manabase for a 100 card deck lol...

okay, brb

[quasi magnet]

any suggestions yall have are appreciated, I will look at them once home

[high parcel]

Here we go:

• I think The Boulder is probably the worst creature on the list. He doesn't require a lot to be 2 4+ bodies, but he'll never help you recover from a wipe, which is what you want from a card that gives multiple bodies.
• Caldaia Guardian gives 1/1s, which we don't really care much about and can't do a lot with.
• Ulvenwald Oddity/Behemoth is cool, but a lot of mana for a weaker overrun and I'm convinced we're already doing better.
• Loyal Guardian doesn't really do a ton, almost all of our creatures already are 4+ and one +1/+1 per round doesn't add a statistically significant benefit.
• Mycoloth, similarly to Caldaia Guardian, is just not doing what we really care about, and is worse because we have to wait until our upkeep to get there.
• Verdurous Gearhulk seems weak compared to what the rest of the deck is doing.
• Verdant Sun's Avatar, while powerful, feels out of place since we're not paying life for anything and aren't using our life total any other way.

That's a start, I need to shower, I'll send more when I'm back

[quasi magnet]

Gearhulk is kind of a pet include

https://tenor.com/view/kind-of-kinda-fairly-corridor-crew-corridor-digital-gif-14337266

Im not sure about Anara as just 2/4 mana protection for Goreclaw solely

especially just for my turn

so I think that's one of the cuts

14 cuts left

still like 25 ramp reffects

Sylvan Scavenging seems just too slow

Keeper of Fables is good but one I've been eyeing as not the best form of card advantage

[quasi magnet]

12 cuts left now

[high parcel]

Aight back at it. Sorry.

I think Ashaya is not really where this deck wants to be, the protection against This Town and such is really nice but IDK if it's worth it.

I also think Rampaging Aetherhood gets big and does not a lot else, it's hard to remove but if it does get removed it likely didn't really do a whole lot.

I'm trying to get us down to like ~38 creatures so we can start looking at what the deck actually wants to do so expect to see a lot of creature cuts

I think Bloated Contaminator is like, not very good here, even if it's a cheap ferocious.

I also think Ancient Bronze is maybe not where we want to be, our things are already big and that card's kind of at its best when it's making smaller things very large.

[quasi magnet]

Do not apologize if you have nothing to apologize for

Similar to the gearhulk, the dragon is kind of a pet card for this

But those other suggestions make a lot of sense

Ashaya was mainly in there as sometimes ramp but also protection

I have seen the aetherhood just get so big and become the problem

[quasi magnet]

Same thoughts I had, just needed another person to prompt me on it

[high parcel]

alright, so from here we know what we're doing

The gameplan is to play ferocious creatures, draw cards to prevent boardwipes from taking us out, and hitting people for multiples of 4 essentially

how much interaction are we playing

Silverback Elder, Emerald Dragon, Terastodon, Apex Altisaur are our creature-based interaction, they all work really well for this and suit the gameplan, the only one that's kinda ? is Emerald Dragon but honestly I'm pretty down for Dissonant Wave, even if it's a big expensive.

• Pest Infestation I think is usually going to be worse than something like Pick Your Poison or Force of Vigor, even if it can hit more things, we don't really get a lot out of the 1/1 pests with no Ouroboroid or anything that easily makes them 4/4s, and we should probably look at other options for mass artifact/enchant removal, even something like a Wave of Vitriol is probably better.
• Animist's Might is only good if our legendary count is high enough, IMO, and we should count that.
• Bridgeworks Battle is fine, no notes.
• Season of Gathering is like, one of the reasons to be in Monogreen Big Cost imo. No notes, card's insane.
• Legolas's Quick Reflexes is weirdly either protection or a ritual since all of our dorks tap for more than its cost. Huge.
• Nature's Claim is absolutely fine, I usually prefer stuff like Deglamer but it's totally fine.
• Collective Resistance is expensive but very powerful, and is one of the reasons I'm not high on Pest Infestation.
• Cosmic Hunger is... I don't know if this is the best punch spell we have access to? I'll have to look at the list again, but it might be.
• Ram Through is great. I'd like to see Prizefight in here as well.
• Grip's fantastic.
• Boseiju is here, good shit.

[quasi magnet]

Yeah

[high parcel]

I think really the only ones I'm not super high on are Cosmic Hunger, Pest Infestation, and Nature's Claim.

[quasi magnet]

Youve sold me: i should put ezuris predation in here lol

[high parcel]

lmao

wait, what's the fight spell from mh3

[quasi magnet]

Bridgeworks battle

[high parcel]

[[horrific assault]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/157/horrific-assault

Horrific Assault <:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Target creature you control deals damage equal to its power to target creature or planeswalker you don't control. If you control an Eldrazi, you gain 3 life.
With shifting forms and no angel to pray to, Innistrad's werewolves were especially susceptible to Emrakul's influence.

[quasi magnet]

The one that’s also a land

Right

Hard-hitting question is the same thing

[high parcel]

yep, same text

I think I'm like, maybe higher on Hard-Hitting or Horrific Assault than I am on Cosmic Hunger

but I'd still always be on Prizefight before any of them I think

[[Prizefight]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/154/prizefight

Prizefight <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Target creature you control fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Underweight, underpaid, underestimated.

[high parcel]

yeah it's a fight not a punch, but it refunds you back to 1 total mana spent

i actually don't hate Ezuri's Predation in this deck

it's probably not worth it but it's potentially 8 mana draw a bunch and clear the board?

but yeah, just going based on cuts, I think if I'm pell (and I am) I would cut Pest Infestation, Cosmic Hunger, and Nature's Claim and add Prizefight?

gives us a still very good interaction count

i do still need to count legends for animist's might

You have 11 legendary creatures (including your commander), which I would argue is probably too low for Animist's Might.

[quasi magnet]

I added it.

I like it here

Aww, i really wanna do animist’s might

I like that card a lot lol

Considering its a sorcery tho you are probably right

[high parcel]

yeah if we were up a few more legends i actually would like it

but we're just not 🙁

like i think im minimum 16 to start considering it usually

[quasi magnet]

7 cuts left

[high parcel]

we dont have any other token generators left right

[quasi magnet]

I dont think so?

Let me check

Bramble Sovereign, Galadriel, Kura, Terastadon (technically), Vaultborn (if things go south), and Predation

None of which are gonna be making creature tokens that are too small

Tho Galadriel is one Ive been eyeing

I dont think the one treasure from her a turn will do enough, and idk how much the counters will do

[high parcel]

I agree.

I think she's like, fine, but we're doing better things.

[quasi magnet]

Yeah

Kura Idk if im sold on for this deck

Im cutting greater good not because its bad

But because the deck has lots of draw and knowing me idk how much im gonna use it

That brings us to 4 cuts

[high parcel]

i was gonna also suggest dropping greater good

hadnt gotten there yet

time to arbitrarily pick 4 cards

doomskar warrior, caretaker, soul of the harvest, become the avalanche?

and i'd just put those in considering in case you want them later

[quasi magnet]

Doomskar is similarly a pet card, i just love backup

[high parcel]

forgotten ways?

worst mana dork and we dont really need biorhythm

[quasi magnet]

Idk, I like BTA

A fun overrun effect for a big creatures deck

Im wary of emerald dragon

[high parcel]

then cut that one

those last 4 cuts are arbitrary

you just put em in a sideboard so you have stuff to sub in

😄

[quasi magnet]

Yeah

https://moxfield.com/decks/Gplrfw2cCkWweYct1yeA1A

reposting: this is the list

Gonna playtest more once im home

[slate tangle]

Hows the goreclaw tests going

I heard you got the win with the angel car, big grats

[quasi magnet]

this is the second text im doing, the first one disciple of freyalise drew 13 cards...

on turn 5? 6?

so here's how the next one is going...

[slate tangle]

daaamn

Trailblazer has become one of my favorite pieces

Defiler of vigor too

[quasi magnet]

I even just cast that lol

the trailblazer

[quasi magnet]

bro...

this deck is wild

[slate tangle]

That nykthos about to tap for one million mana

[quasi magnet]

no fucking kidding lol

I just drew Last March of the Ents...

and hit Surrak and Goreclaw

[slate tangle]

[[last march of the ents]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/172/last-march-of-the-ents

Last March of the Ents <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
This spell can't be countered.
Draw cards equal to the greatest toughness among creatures you control, then put any number of creature cards from your hand onto the battlefield.
"To Isengard with doom we come! With doom we come, with doom we come!"

[slate tangle]

I wonder if I should play this in [[aeve]]

[sturdy gale]

Multiple cards match “aeve”, can you be more specific?

[quasi magnet]

lol

not a bad idea

[quasi magnet]

bro holy fuck

Become the Avalanche is a dope overrun

just gave my whole board +15/+15

adn they have trample from Surrak and Goreclaw

[shy hornet]

Is your commander goreclaw

Or surrak and goreclaw?

[quasi magnet]

Yes

The former

[shy hornet]

Gotcha

Loved goreclaw

[grave urchin]

Messaging here so the thread stays open for me

[quasi magnet]

Brb

[shy hornet]

Do you play uuhhhhhh

[[Monstrous vortex]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/162/monstrous-vortex

Monstrous Vortex <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you cast a creature spell with power 5 or greater, discover X, where X is that spell's mana value. (Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card with that mana value or less. Cast it without paying its mana cost or put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.)

[grave urchin]

I respect the no craterhoof

We don't need that shit

[shy hornet]

Ehhhhhhh yeah probably right

Maybe like [[herd heirloom]]

[grave urchin]

Do we have [[Vaultborn Tyrant]]?

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/144/herd-heirloom

Herd Heirloom <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact
: Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast a creature spell.
: Until end of turn, target creature you control with power 4 or greater gains trample and "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, draw a card."

https://scryfall.com/card/big/20/vaultborn-tyrant

Vaultborn Tyrant <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur
Trample
Whenever this creature or another creature you control with power 4 or greater enters, you gain 3 life and draw a card.
When this creature dies, if it's not a token, create a token that's a copy of it, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types.
6/6

[shy hornet]

Yeah hes on it

[grave urchin]

Okay good cause that's like a no brainer

[shy hornet]

[[$vaultborn tyrant]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/big/20/vaultborn-tyrant

Prices for Vaultborn Tyrant

The Big Score Promos

$25.51

The Big Score

$26.75 • €29.09 • 0.03 TIX

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$57.42 • €62.02 • 0.03 TIX

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$151.05 • €110.03 • 0.02 TIX

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[quasi magnet]

No we literally dont

Any overrun isnt necessary because goreclaw is one

And even then i want to play more different cards

[shy hornet]

Crine

[grave urchin]

GAD DAMN

I gotta rob a vault to afford this fucker

[quasi magnet]

Herd heirloom and vaultborn are both in the deck

[high parcel]

we are indeed on vaultborn tyrant and herd heirloom

[quasi magnet]

Vortex is not in here tho i could try it out

[shy hornet]

Lets goooooooooo

[high parcel]

made sure to suggest the mana rock as soon as i saw the deck

[grave urchin]

Vortex is awesome

[quasi magnet]

Yeah

[grave urchin]

I love that card

[quasi magnet]

I think i tossed it in randomly too

Vortex is a pretty wild card

[shy hornet]

Its very fun

[quasi magnet]

I will goldfish with it today

Since im off work for a sick day

[grave urchin]

Are we on [[Kogla Titan ape]]?

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/162/kogla-the-titan-ape

Kogla, the Titan Ape <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Ape
When Kogla enters, it fights up to one target creature you don't control.
Whenever Kogla attacks, destroy target artifact or enchantment defending player controls.
: Return target Human you control to its owner's hand. Kogla gains indestructible until end of turn.
7/6

[shy hornet]

What about the other monke

[[Silverback elder]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/177/silverback-elder

Silverback Elder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Ape Shaman
Whenever you cast a creature spell, choose one —
• Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
• Look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
• You gain 4 life.
5/7

[grave urchin]

The "fuck you and your non creature" permanents on a stick?

[grave urchin]

I saw this one already

[quasi magnet]

Almost added it

[quasi magnet]

Yes

[shy hornet]

You can also jam vorinclex(s)

[grave urchin]

Oh! [[Radagast the brown]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/184/radagast-the-brown

Radagast the Brown <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Avatar Wizard
Whenever Radagast or another nontoken creature you control enters, look at the top X cards of your library, where X is that creature's mana value. You may reveal a creature card that doesn't share a creature type with a creature you control from among those cards and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
2/5

[grave urchin]

This guy FUCKS

[quasi magnet]

Maybe the MOM one but that’s it

Dont really want or need the other two

[shy hornet]

You have enough creatures to make flippy clex a decent choice as well

[quasi magnet]

Not power 4

[grave urchin]

True, but he helps a lot with your other creatures

[quasi magnet]

Yeah but also

I cant cast it for cheaper

Thats a big deal lol

[shy hornet]

8clex is fun though

[quasi magnet]

Eh

[grave urchin]

That is true

[shy hornet]

Fun for you i mean

[quasi magnet]

Eh

I played with it before

[shy hornet]

Stunning peoples lands is indeed annyoing

[quasi magnet]

I didnt have much fun

[shy hornet]

Double mana isnt fun for you?

Damn i love having double mana

[quasi magnet]

That’s not why its not fun lol

Brb, gotta grab something

[shy hornet]

Ok everyone the sauce to beat 8clex is to tap the mana you need for your instant speed removal while clex is still on the stack, then kill it after it resolves

[grave urchin]

Just gonna throw this here even though Goreclaw can't make it cheaper

[[Gigantosaurous]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/m19/185/gigantosaurus

Gigantosaurus <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur
"Each tooth is the length of a horse, and new ones grow in every sixteen days. Let's get a closer look!" —Vivien Reid
10/10

[shy hornet]

Smh storm youre not playing the best green creature ever

Wheres [[colossal dreadmaw]]

[sturdy gale]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/176/colossal-dreadmaw

Colossal Dreadmaw <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur
Trample (This creature can deal excess combat damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.)
If you feel the ground quake, run. If you hear its bellow, flee. If you see its teeth, it's too late.
6/6

[grave urchin]

You're so right