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golden parrot
sharp flax
I'm just saying that know it's a craterhoof for trigger stacking
golden parrot
and i dont see these 5 drops being finisher
sharp flax
Also fair
golden parrot
like if you put all your overruns at 5 mana and then you go an put a 7 mana payoff in there then i think its fair
like yeah you should probably top out at 5 then
sharp flax
Also I'm not much of a green player. My husband is the one of us who plays that color more.
sharp flax
More often than not though, people will put mavren/ghalta with this idea that you're attacking more than once
golden parrot
gonna be honest if the idea is to finish around turn 5-6 i dont understand the heavy ramp inclusion even more
cause like what are you ramping into then?
quasi magnet
Its not to late, you can still save your husband
Nothing has told me they need saving…
sharp flax
In terms of overlap with husband and most played IDs it's because of Azorius.
golden parrot
Azorius is cool
quasi magnet
all green players need saving
Nah, I’m good. I don’t need to be saved from something that’s not a problem.
That said I have been enjoying playing the other colors because of course; they’re all sweet
golden parrot
I am obviously joking with the whole "green players need saving" but the point before that is real, i dont get that kinda logic, i often do the "cmc>4 is unplayable" as a joke and people do push back on that a lot (i am often unsure if they do or dont get that its a joke) but then you see the same kinda point being made just 2 cmc higher
sharp flax
Also I wasn't saying it was unplayable. I was saying that people underestimate how fast she goes.
golden parrot
No i get that
sharp flax
[[Maja|khm]] is one I often see in Bess
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quasi magnet
I am obviously joking with the whole "green players need saving" but the point b...
No I hear ya.
I know you’re just poking fun around.
I do not disagree that the sentiment about the threshold of mana is kinda paradoxical.
That said. Bess is so fast as a deck and ghalta and mavren is fun in this deck, but it’s not going to matter super often in this deck specifically.
quasi magnet
[[Maja|khm]] is one I often see in Bess
Wasn’t super interested in them, especially due to their cost and p/t
golden parrot
the thing i feel like you are actually missing is trample
outside of Garruk's Stampede there isnt really much
sharp flax
Bess decks that run Maja highly emphasize landfall
I've also seen bess decks that are about doubling her counters as much as possible
[[court of garenbrig]] [[bristly bill]] those
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Legendary Creature — Plant Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
: Double the number of +1/+1 counters on each creature you control.
"Wake up, little ones. There's a new day ahead."
2/2
quasi magnet
outside of Garruk's Stampede there isnt really much
That’s the big thing I’ve been trying to figure out how to add
sharp flax
And uses like [[mirror entity]] to set p/t to 1/1
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Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
: Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X and gain all creature types.
Unaware of Lorwyn's diversity, it sees only itself, reflected a thousand times over.
1/1
golden parrot
Mirror Entity is evil
quasi magnet
Because Garruk’s uprising cares about big power and it’s a 1/1 deck
golden parrot
I use it in Frodo/Sam
I set all my creatures to 1/1 to be able to use Delney to have them unblockable and then i turn them into like 7/7s after blockers havent been declared
sharp flax
[[urdnan, dromoka]] is interesting for Bess...
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quasi magnet
Finding evasion for the deck has been pretty tricky
sharp flax
Finding evasion for the deck has been pretty tricky
Really?
quasi magnet
There are, but I’m tossing up which ones
Not too much flying in WG
Trample is pretty common but it feels like the effects are just trample givers and not much else
sharp flax
There aren't a lot of 1/1 creatures that give it anyway. They're 2/3s etc
But it really isn't hard to get that for Bess at least
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sharp flax
Because Bess is a voltron
quasi magnet
Fucking autocarrot
Anyways, I might add surrak and goreclaw
I’m not super into stuff that does like doubling season stuff (other than the 2 effects in there already because they do other stuff)
golden parrot
Honestly I would go with:
Akroma's Will
Galadriel's Dismissal
Eldrazi Monument
in addition to your:
Champion of Lambholt
Garruk's Uprising
Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist also works perfectly fine as an Overrun
[[Mirri, Weatherlight Duel]]
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quasi magnet
okay, suggestions have been added. Deck is now at 104
quasi magnet
Honestly I would go with:
Akroma's Will
Galadriel's Dismissal
Eldrazi Monument
...
idk why, I forgot that line of text on Champion lol
golden parrot
the one relevant line
quasi magnet
lol yeah
quasi magnet
So the conclusions of the deck so far: this deck is fast enough that I'm not getting to cast the big expensive stuff by the time it feels relevant. Idk if I keep Ghalta and Mavren in the deck
golden parrot
Give in, let the low cmc flow through you, only play stuff 4 cmc and below
quasi magnet
Idk if I’ll go to 4 or less, but 5 yeah, maybe
sharp flax
I think 5 makes sense.
quasi magnet
Some of the creatures work great in this like cultivator
Also tendershoot dryad is very good here too
sharp flax
But yeah, I don't normally think about commanders as having a very specific tempo that makes cards too slow for them but Selesnya commanders that cost 3 and have stuff related to their power are different
Bess, [[Sergeant John Benton]]
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sharp flax
It's like they're so "shock and awe" aggro oriented that they probably need to be attacking on t3.
golden parrot
I think 5 makes sense.
it does, but i will never not try to convince people to join the church of "5+cmc is unplayable"
sharp flax
I just feel like that view is anathema to commander
Whether or not I like playing them I can't view that as true
We can go to #format-philosophy for this though
quasi magnet
it does, but i will never not try to convince people to join the church of "5+cm...
you will never get me
quasi magnet
We can go to <#750125673548349501> for this though
also I appreciate this, but philosophy discussions in my thread are fine lol (even if its not the place i know)
sharp flax
Mana values can be wrong for a deck or a meta but not for the format.
quasi magnet
yeah
sharp flax
also I appreciate this, but philosophy discussions in my thread are fine lol (ev...
I just want to respect your brew space
quasi magnet
I just want to respect your brew space
and I appreciate that
I also have a somewhat unhealthy obsession with philosophy and understanding social dynamics and games, so it's very much my jam
sharp flax
These are the curves of the decks I brought to play tonight.
Jinnie's (the first one) is funny with how hard it falls off.
quasi magnet
lol
sharp flax
I understand where the "over 4 is unplayable" comes from, but I see it as the wrong way to view it.
The bottom left chart is lying because those 8 drops aren't that
[[Avatar of woe]] always costs 2
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Creature — Avatar
If there are ten or more creature cards total in all graveyards, this spell costs 
less to cast.
Fear (This creature can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or black creatures.)
: Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated.
6/5
sharp flax
So, it's funny with the overlap of your Bess deck and my Jinnie
Partially because you definitely tried to avoid combos in it.
Or else you could have easily done scurry oak/rosie.
quasi magnet
Or else you could have easily done scurry oak/rosie.
yeah
sharp flax
Amped raptor seems like a good way to exile your deck
This was the list I made for Delina for my "every elf color challenge" https://moxfield.com/decks/4sAPKtih-EOANmEyRFAL3Q
quasi magnet
Amped raptor seems like a good way to exile your deck
So I reread amped raptor
Since it only does the exile when cast from hand
It’s no longer in the deck
sharp flax
I missed that line. But the number of things it can stick in exile is a lot
quasi magnet
I missed that line. But the number of things it can stick in exile is a lot
It’s true
If it could exile off etb it stays in the deck especially since it keeps giving energy
sharp flax
I was more pointing out you weren't running Wyll or Brazen dwarf
quasi magnet
True
sharp flax
Because Delina copying Wyll is a lot
quasi magnet
Yeah. I don’t tend to brew combo decks much. I like hitting people in the face
sharp flax
It's still hitting people in the face, just a lot more all at once.
quasi magnet
lol fair enough
Though if I do get sun titan in play the game would probably go a lot faster
sharp flax
?
sharp flax
I worked out you can also do it with koth animating a mountain and valakut
quasi magnet
I did have Valakut in the list originally but idk if I want it for this one necessarily
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/xe0mWUXnOUChHuk_DaQH3A So I have tagged 6 cards I think I'm gonna cut to swap a few more Dragon's Approach cards into the deck again, so it's back at 30
also so I can add one more removal spell/interaction effect
which idk if it would be Flare of Duplication because of how few nontoken creatures this deck has at any given moment
quasi magnet
That list doesn't have any tags and has 30 DA
yeah
I adjusted it a bit to reflect where the deck will be
sharp flax
[[carnelian orb of dragonkind]] feels like it should be in this
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Artifact
: Add 
. If that mana is spent on a Dragon creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn.
Sages whisper that Lathliss still keeps the heart of the old dragon queen sealed within a jewel, its smoldering warmth an eternal reminder that no monarch is untouchable.
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Legendary Creature — Dragon
Flying
Whenever Ganax or another Dragon you control enters, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/4
quasi magnet
part of why I wanted to add 5 DAs back is so I could hit the dragons I almost always pull out with them more often, and thus get rid of some of the dragons I don't usually find
quasi magnet
https://scryfall.com/card/clb/176/ganax-astral-hunter
thought about it
mostly not in for similar reasons as to the ones I'm cutting: not likely I go get them
sharp flax
nod
I'd look at a copy that will do a trigger
Instead of flare though it's free
Like a [[return the favor]]
You're right that I don't think you have enough nontoken red creatures to copy flare
quasi magnet
no
quasi magnet
The remainder of my Ygra deck is enroute!
So once I get that built, I can start to work on my Kiora deck
quasi magnet
putting that to paper is gonna be fun, and then it's gonna be Anafenza and Gix, and after that Samut and whatever else
Only worry I have is that since I've been messing with so many brews that I might not be as into ygra lol, but I do wanna get that deck done
sharp flax
I have bad news over the getting skullclamp given game changer status motion you're trying for.
quasi magnet
Tbf, Seedborn muse is in a couple precons and they’ve mentioned changing what it means for a deck to be Core beyond just “the average modern precon” so I do expect it to change
sharp flax
Skullclamp may be in the most precons for artifacts behind only like boots and sol ring at this point
quasi magnet
Also there were quite a few people in format philosophy talking about skullclamp as a good GC.
That all said, I don’t think you’re wrong
quasi magnet
Jesus
sharp flax
The bant one has ballista and farewell
quasi magnet
Farewell getting more reprints is fine because I think that’s one people oversell on its power and annoyance level
Also people just choose all modes even when it hurts them
sharp flax
They at least didn't give Yuna an untapper
quasi magnet
lol
golden parrot
This is a mistake we can rectify
sharp flax
I'm not saying we can't give her one, I'm saying that at least WotC didn't
quasi magnet
“This just in, Yuna has been given a reprinting of Kiora’s Follower”
golden parrot
Follower wouldnt have been a problem
quasi magnet
lol
I was looking at it (because I have only seen it once before) and was like “is it in red? Imagine if it was red and they reprinted FOMO in it…”
Tho that one does more combat in taps
golden parrot
the real evil reprint would have been [[Freed from the Real]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
: Tap enchanted creature.
: Untap enchanted creature.
When a strong mind moves, form and energy shift to heed it.
golden parrot
Cause you could have reprinted that in flavour no problem
golden parrot
Taking a closer look now this is maybe my new favourite art for it, it looks so good
golden parrot
That one is amazing too
I do like how they try new things with Skullclamp every now and then
a lot of good shit there
quasi magnet
This is the Canlander deck I’m getting for Vegas
Any final recs of course because I’m gonna order the deck
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/bDN1-907vk-reH_BAQVvTg Seeing my list having only 10 pieces of removal and some of them being stapled to "creatures" as well as the huge plethora of ramp this deck has, I kinda wanna change it around
already tagged 3 pieces of ramp I intend to swap out, but 17 still feels like a lot especially when the removal count is at 10, and is currently only set to go up to around 13...
Feels like its gonna be the Trailtracker as one
@sharp flax
idk if you have any ideas for it; notably the considering board has a mess of stuff in it, and I tagged a lot of the stuff I plan on maybe adding.
sharp flax
I sort of recommend muerra over the badger
quasi magnet
[[muerra]]
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Legendary Creature — Raccoon Warrior
At the beginning of your first main phase, add or for each Raccoon you control.
Whenever you expend 4, you gain 3 life. (You expend 4 as you spend your fourth total mana to cast spells during a turn.)
Whenever you expend 8, exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
2/4
quasi magnet
tbf, this is not a racoons deck, and almost all the other ones have come out of there
Like, Trailtracker is the last one left other than Bello since it ramps on 2
sharp flax
[[Bramble familiar]]
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Creature — Elemental Raccoon
: Add .
, , Discard a card: Return this creature to its owner's hand.
2/2
Fetch Quest 
Sorcery — Adventure
Mill seven cards. Then put a creature, enchantment, or land card from among the milled cards onto the battlefield.
quasi magnet
I feel like Bramble is in there because its either ramp on 2 or a spell that gets me a big thing back
but its probably fair that it's a bit less helpful
I did get a couple of the raccoons from bloomburrow so maybe I should make that kind of deck lol
sharp flax
Her other expend triggers are great
You really don't need many to make her worthwhile.
quasi magnet
I actually think the deck does well enough with card advantage
I think mostly what I'm looking at is improving my interaction
since rn I'm at 10 pieces, and half of that is sorcery speed
I do kinda like [[invasion of shandalar]] and maybe [[invasion of kaldheim]] in this deck since they're both enchantments on their backs that get animated by Bello
sharp flax
Mine is too
quasi magnet
They're probably more pet additions that happen to work lol
but I kinda like the idea of adding them
sharp flax
It has the exile cards in this now but haven't made the adjustment yet https://moxfield.com/decks/3SVXNb19WE2gwghZH2c_2Q
quasi magnet
lol I could put slicer in mine, I do have one of them
quasi magnet
my removal is 3 instant speed, 7 sorcery (1 board wipe)
sharp flax
I apparently have 10 additional at sorcery
quasi magnet
yeah
im on 10 total
and only 3 is instant lol
I feel like that's a bit on the lower end, and even going up to like 15 would be much better
sharp flax
I don't know what it means that I feel bello is a lighter interaction deck
quasi magnet
I mean, its a deck that just goes faster
Like, you probably want more interaction in the form of keeping your commander alive
[[collective resistance]] seems nice for that too
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Instant
Escalate (Pay this cost for each mode chosen beyond the first.)
Choose one or more —
• Destroy target artifact.
• Destroy target enchantment.
• Target creature gains hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
quasi magnet
one thing I notice with [[bolt bend]] is its not super likely to be online when its not your turn
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Instant
This spell costs less to cast if you control a creature with power 4 or greater.
Change the target of target spell or ability with a single target.
"Give them everything you've got . . . and some things you don't." —Ral Zarek
sharp flax
Yeah, there are 7 unbuffed creaturea
Most removal I see is on my turn to keep me from attacking though
quasi magnet
Most removal I see is on my turn to keep me from attacking though
true
I think that's when its best: stopping someone killing bello before damage
sharp flax
I didn't buy any cards specifically for the deck.
quasi magnet
Storm's Brewing Thread (Commander and Canlander, mainly)
https://moxfield.com/decks/uhf14LTYo02E-7N3Wd6P_g chat, I wanna make this Teval Lich list
and I wanna figure out how to make it work lol
quasi magnet
So I have a mess of cards in here now, but I think I've got something going, and now we just gotta smooth out the deck
still happy for any suggestions
wheat horizon
I think Marina’s Grimoire is a bit too risky for that Teval
quasi magnet
I think Marina’s Grimoire is a bit too risky for that Teval
Also im gonna try making that song my ringtone lol
or my alarm
I gotta see if I can do that
wheat horizon
Also im gonna try making that song my ringtone lol
I can give you some other Celtic/Shanty bangers if you’re interested
quasi magnet
of course lol
sharp flax
No [[pact weapon]]?
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quasi magnet
No [[pact weapon]]?
I’ve never seen this card. I will be adding it once I’m home
sharp flax
It's just really good with Teval's lifelink
And for getting things into GY
Because of the discard to equip
quasi magnet
It also has the lich effect I want lol
jade parcel
pact weapon is nuts with lifelink, can confirm
quasi magnet
Okay, I still have 11 cuts to make to this thing
sharp flax
Why tree of redemption?
Ok you're running actual lich cards
Lich's mirror feels like a cut.
Yes, it keeps from losing the game one turn but you have nothing except a full grip of 7
Hogaak is confusing here
It's just a big beater.
quasi magnet
True
sharp flax
FWIW the Mirror is a card I've looked at including a lot
The problem is one of two things happen. If you have 2 lich effects on the field if you lose to one of them it then prevents that and you die to the second. In the second option you're left with nothing in late game.
quasi magnet
True
sharp flax
I actually run [[trickbind]] effects in my lich deck 😅
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sharp flax
To counter my own triggers.
quasi magnet
lol not a bad idea
sharp flax
I don't know that you need that but they're like safety valves for queza
sharp flax
Remember the Angel of Suffering only works with damage
Not life loss
So it works with [[llanowar wastes]] but not [[horizon of progress]]
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Land
: Add 
.
: Add 
or . This land deals 1 damage to you.
"The sylex blast marked not only the end of the war, but the end of Dominaria as most knew it." —The Antiquities War
Land
, Pay 1 life: Add one mana of any type that a land you control could produce.
, : You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
, , Sacrifice this land: Draw a card.
sharp flax
So [[cephalid coliseum]] works
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Land
: Add . This land deals 1 damage to you.
Threshold — , , Sacrifice this land: Target player draws three cards, then discards three cards. Activate only if seven or more cards are in your graveyard.
quasi magnet
So it works with [[llanowar wastes]] but not [[horizon of progress]]
True. The angel was added after the lands
Also they’re they’re because they all lower life total anyways
sharp flax
I love that angel.
quasi magnet
It’s fun
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/IiUWarZUU0C3yAjp15s7Xw 4 cuts for this list
sharp flax
That's a heavy mld theme
quasi magnet
mhmm
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/qmuKmne3NkOSn09bmWW0CA for those who frequent here, I am refining my Yedora deck to try and make it a bit more consistent and resilient; give it some more umph
Any suggestions for cuts mainly, but additions too, are appreciated
quasi magnet
@trim minnow you alive?
trim minnow
I think so
quasi magnet
lol
first off, good
second off, I am down to two cuts for my beloved deck. Got any ideas?
trim minnow
The Yedora deck?
quasi magnet
mhmm
I managed to bring the removal count up to 18, and I think its possible for one of them to go
but idk
actually, I think Autumn's Veil is one cut
maybe, idk
trim minnow
Seems like a decent cut
trim minnow
What's the idea with proteus machine?
quasi magnet
it can go infinite itself
you dont need to animate a land
if you have yedora, machine, and a sac outlet, you go infinite
quasi magnet
mhmmm
trim minnow
Maybe you just ditch krosan grip, yeah
trim minnow
quasi magnet
quasi magnet
Hmmm
wind bison
Hmmm
trim minnow
Hmmm
quasi magnet
Literally just sending a message here a couple days ago so I could find this thread
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/OtfZWCCuwUuqIyZBNv3b4g aight chat, making another list
now I have 11 cuts
quasi magnet
yeah, hearth and home was there at first but got cut. Only reason Forge and Frontier has stuck around is the card advantage
but yeah Feast and Famine can go for sure
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quasi magnet
I think forge and frontier can probably go too then
quasi magnet
https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/114/alpha-authority
this is in the list already, but I'll look at the Rosette
quasi magnet
we do love Menacé
sharp flax
[[nazgul battlemace]] is nasty but too expensive
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has menace, deathtouch, annihilator 1, and "Whenever an opponent sacrifices a nontoken permanent, put that card onto the battlefield under your control unless that player pays 3 life." (Whenever a creature with annihilator 1 attacks, defending player sacrifices a permanent of their choice.)
Equip
sharp flax
Yeah
quasi magnet
lol now I'm imagining Not of This World in the deck...
sharp flax
I hate that I keep wishing this was a selesnya list that could just be cleaner
quasi magnet
I hate that I keep wishing this was a selesnya list that could just be cleaner
oh you're telling me
sharp flax
So why green alone?
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, add that much . Until end of turn, you don't lose this mana as steps and phases end."
quasi magnet
hmmm
sharp flax
It's one of those cards that were cheap forever but I think people started paying attention to it
quasi magnet
[[$mark of sakiko]]
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quasi magnet
oh not bad
I just wonder if this deck needs it that much...
"Green decks only ramp via lands"
well, look at this dumb list...
sharp flax
It was like 25 cents forever
quasi magnet
I can imagine
sharp flax
I think outside of an artifact deck the medallion isn't worth it in green
sharp flax
It's a flat reduction which works well
But at the same time there are so many 2 or less mv things that provide additional ramp
But it also doesn't tap?
So it's a tradeoff
quasi magnet
I think the big downside that could come from this one is that a lot of the other artifacts dont get a reduction from this ramp
and one of the ones that does has other ways to be cheaper
sharp flax
Yeah
[[Meria, Scholar of Antiquity]] is an example of a green inclusive deck I'd use it in
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Legendary Creature — Elf Artificer
Tap an untapped nontoken artifact you control: Add .
Tap two untapped nontoken artifacts you control: Exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn.
"Why fear artifice? Is it not also of this world?"
3/3
quasi magnet
okay this QB deck is so damn fun
trim minnow
Quarterback?
quasi magnet
pfft
all good
tbf, he is the quarterback... and the kicker, runner, etc... (I have no idea what positions are in football)
trim minnow
He's the setter
quasi magnet
also the pitcher
trim minnow
And the umpire
quasi magnet
Also the driver
trim minnow
And the five iron?
quasi magnet
and the pit crew? no that's the 8 other creatures in this... checks notes... MONO GREEN DECK
trim minnow
Lol
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/aS9245VUjUy6rPOXTUbJiQ aight,time for the next brew: Rakdos gaming!!!
formal mango
Rakdos gaming moment
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quasi magnet
I'm considering it lol
formal mango
pay 6 exile 6 and then everything costs 6 less lol
id probably add something like [[twilight of prophet]] to help offset lifeloss
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formal mango
also [[phyrexian arena]]
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quasi magnet
https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/143/twilight-prophet
yeah
I definitely looking at that stuff
a little bit of lifegain
formal mango
[[torment of hailfire]]
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formal mango
wincon card
quasi magnet
I am making an active choice not to put ToH in
formal mango
[[exsanguinate]]?
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quasi magnet
[[exsanguinate]]?
in already
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Sorcery
This spell costs more to cast for each target beyond the first.
Fireball deals X damage divided evenly, rounded down, among any number of targets.
The orchard soon reeked of sulfur, smoke, and scorched bugbear, with just a hint of peach.
quasi magnet
in
formal mango
im blind
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[[song of totenatz]]?
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formal mango
[[jaya's immolation]]
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formal mango
quasi magnet
https://scryfall.com/card/woe/150/song-of-totentanz
this could be fun
formal mango
Starstorm and Black Sun's Zenith for board wipes, Damnable pact for draw or one shot
quasi magnet
finally a deck for this card
formal mango
[[tempt with vengeance]] seems like a meme card
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quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/gswxg6UrT0eAiqU3WBqc6w I am heavily considering splashing black for Psychic Frog as a 10th point instead of one of my current ones...
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I will note: you will get more help in #commander or in your own #1020353936592470147 thread; this one's more so for my own decks, but you can always make your own
dreamy path
quasi magnet
Nah it’s all good
If I wasn’t settling in for bed after a work shift I’d take a look at the list myself
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/oWc8M-cMG02hyD-xMQWKcg chat I need to make a cut: trying to put Garruk's Uprising into the deck as an extra way to push damage through more with Ygra
@grim raft wanna help me make a cut before I leave in 2 hours?
quasi magnet
that's probably it; scooze
quasi magnet
Probably creature removal or Scooze
ty frien
quasi magnet
So I now have this to brew once I’m home. Once the con is done and I’m home I’ll start making a brew
grim raft
[[Midnight Clock]]
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Artifact
: Add .
: Put an hour counter on this artifact.
At the beginning of each upkeep, put an hour counter on this artifact.
When the twelfth hour counter is put on this artifact, shuffle your hand and graveyard into your library, then draw seven cards. Exile this artifact.
quasi magnet
Yeah
sharp flax
I know Pell had worked on a Rusko list
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/fqN00AX-PEKWkFK3wQnJVw here's the start
will slowly make this list online
happy for any/all recommendations
quasi magnet
Okay, we’re pivoting this deck
formal mango
I love the name of the deck
quasi magnet
Thank you
quasi magnet
so with the ability to play vehicles as commanders now has me thinking of a brew...
wind bison
Lmao
quasi magnet
its gone down a bit now
quasi magnet
so after being super torn on my mono-w deck and not being too happy w/ Anafenza and Delney, I have pivoted to Parhellion II https://moxfield.com/decks/99nv7UXuukS2G4PGSC4-vA
golden parrot
Cmc>4 detected
quasi magnet
hey. hey...
tulip trail
Isn’t there a car that dia landfall
quasi magnet
hmmm, maybe?
well
if there is one, it either doesn't have landfall or isn't a vehicle
at least not in mono g
quasi magnet
Isn’t there a car that dia landfall
oh, do you mean [[molt tender]]?
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Creature — Insect Druid
: Mill a card. (Put the top card of your library into your graveyard.)
, Exile a card from your graveyard: Add one mana of any color.
The Speedbrood regards molting as a selfless act worthy of the highest of honors. It allows one to be born anew for the good of the brood.
1/1
quasi magnet
oh wait not that
lol
there's like two...
[[hedge shredder]] and [[lumbering worldwagon]]
tulip trail
hmmm, maybe?
quasi magnet
the thing is the Cat Car deck is less a lands matter deck and more a tokens deck
tulip trail
This is goated
quasi magnet
its pretty good
quasi magnet
the main theme is copying tokens using the chariot
quasi magnet
true
sharp flax
I still play at a store where [[eyes of the wisent]] will trigger like, once in a year
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quasi magnet
oh hell yeah
lol
yeah idk if I keep it in the list
it's probably a cut, but it does make a 4/4 that cat car can copy
tulip trail
There’s [[stridehanger automaton]]
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quasi magnet
hmmm
I'm already in the cutting stage but I should see how many artifact token makers I have
tulip trail
It’s ok
I’m in that stage too
I have my Esper vehicle commander
And the dexk is 90 percent azorious
quasi magnet
Im currently wondering about [[arboreal alliance]] for similar reasons: do I actually make enough elves?
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sharp flax
Yeah, you might be light on them
quasi magnet
I do like the idea of copying role tokens w/ the cat car
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/B8SDVsEnIEaAldzfB5eUiQ
@wheat horizon this is my current project
quasi magnet
so the Parhellion is on the way, but in the meantime Nelly Borca is the next brew https://moxfield.com/decks/DMroDqPcek-8yhVtjGn6Rw
acoustic plover
quasi magnet
oh lol
acoustic plover
Was this the wrong thread?
acoustic plover
I can move it to the proper place if it’s in the wrong one
quasi magnet
if you want to
I'm looking at the list now
we can move to #commander or you could make your own thread for deck brewing shenanigans
acoustic plover
We can move this to #commander
quasi magnet
https://scryfall.com/search?q=(type%3Alegendary+type%3Avehicle)+(game%3Apaper)+(not%3ADFC)+(format%3Acommander)&as=grid&order=name so this link is every card that's just a legendary vehicle
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/vEaVKwk47kSkdh0-m6BnlQ I have begun a precon upgrade list for this deck
trim minnow
[[iridescent vinelasher]] and [[ob nixilis the fallen]] might be good
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Creature — Lizard Assassin
Offspring (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell. If you do, when this creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, this creature deals 1 damage to target opponent.
1/2
trim minnow
I think I'm going to upgrade my gitrog deck to be Jund
quasi magnet
https://scryfall.com/card/blb/99/iridescent-vinelasher
maybe this one
okay @trim minnow convince me not to put skullclamp in this precon upgrade?
quasi magnet
yeah
trim minnow
And nantuko
quasi magnet
I think I'm cutting the kindred sorcery
trim minnow
fair
quasi magnet
but now I have 9 other cards I am considering to add, and need to find cuts for
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/vEaVKwk47kSkdh0-m6BnlQ I have begun a precon upgrade ...
@wind bison for when you're awake; I started modifying this deck and I'm now poised to make anywhere between 3-6 cuts lol
on top of all the other cuts I've made
wind bison
Word
wind bison
I go to bed at like 10:30cst normally
I mean it’s effectively just a slightly better shorikai
I’m ngl
quasi magnet
lol
wind bison
Better colors, harder to get started and can put you down lands if you’re not careful
quasi magnet
yeah, but also we can go real fast with this stuff
I wonder if Rampaging Baloths is a good cut...
quasi magnet
I think it still is good here but idk if the tokens are the ones this deck wants/cares about
wind bison
I’m ngl I took one look at the deck and went “yup”
Leaning into the sac stuff with mazirek is a new direction
And juri
I appreciate the use of soul of windgrace
Card is cracked
wind bison
No scapeshift is crazy
quasi magnet
I might cut Korvold, Rampaging Baloths, and Satyr Wayfinder
wind bison
Could even make this a valakut deck
quasi magnet
oh god
wind bison
3c valakut would be very funny
quasi magnet
Scapeshift is 50 bucks
wind bison
[[$scapeshift]]
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trim minnow
I forgot valakut is mountain, not basic
wind bison
god damn what
quasi magnet
3c valakut would be very funny
look forward to the "each land is a mountain in addition..."
wind bison
They won’t print it
quasi magnet
oh for sure
wind bison
Unfortunately they’ve explicitly said those are a very low chance of happening
wind bison
would make scapeshift stuff too much
Not really that so much as synergy with the island one paired with boil or choke
quasi magnet
Not really that so much as synergy with the island one paired with boil or choke
lol
I think the next one they'd make is for Plains
so little problems to come from that likely
okay I might cut the new mono-b land from this one
quasi magnet
Not really that so much as synergy with the island one paired with boil or choke
thoughts on [[gaze of granite]]?
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wind bison
Meh
quasi magnet
yeah that was my thoughts too
wind bison
Might as well run, like, Casualties of War
Or just run In Garruk’s Wake and Season of Gathering
Or Call Forth the Tempest
quasi magnet
lol I just looked up the Yund ultimatum...
this card sucks...
I do love Season of Gathering
quasi magnet
the current "I am wondering if I should add these and what do I swap out for them?" board
thinking more about it now, I don't think repast will ever make it, but maybe stump stomp and six and life from the loam?
idk about loam in this one
wind bison
Yes six + loam is a really strong combo
quasi magnet
Yes six + loam is a really strong combo
Umaru, my thoughts on this deck are shifting slightly
wind bison
In what way
quasi magnet
honestly, towards "do I bother upgrading this?"
trim minnow
I'm modifying my self mill deck, so I'm going to keep in a lot of self mill stuff
wind bison
I’d probably build Tannuk myself because ETB>sac but that’s just me
wind bison
also I like the key in this deck
Yeah shenanigans galore with keys, do you have a good creature base to station the ship?
quasi magnet
I mean its not bad
sharp flax
Thoughts on [[Nahiri's Lithoforming]] in this list
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quasi magnet
hmmmmm
sharp flax
With crucible effects even if you don't draw replacement you can replay what you sacrificed
trim minnow
[[orcish lumberjack]] anyone?
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Creature — Orc
, Sacrifice a Forest: Add three mana in any combination of and/or .
"Wood is wasted in the dirt." —Orcish proverb
1/1
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trim minnow
[[greater gargadon]] is so weird too
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Creature — Beast
Suspend 10—
Sacrifice an artifact, creature, or land: Remove a time counter from this card. Activate only if this card is suspended.
9/7
trim minnow
Also lol, Yavimaya is cradle of growth obv
sharp flax
I was just trying to think of alternatives for scapeshift
quasi magnet
[[orcish lumberjack]] anyone?
you want me to jack it?
quasi magnet
I was just trying to think of alternatives for scapeshift
yeah because aint no way
trim minnow
[[destructive flow]]
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sharp flax
[[Wight of the reliquary]]
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Creature — Zombie Knight
Vigilance
This creature gets +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard.
, Sacrifice another creature: Search your library for a land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Her new demonic overlords prized her knowledge of Bant's landscape.
2/2
quasi magnet
[[Wight of the reliquary]]
any idea for a cut for this one?
quasi magnet
honestly, towards "do I bother upgrading this?"
update: I realized I was not reading all my cards
I want to upgrade this deck this way
golden parrot
reading is for nerds
sharp flax
update: I realized I was not reading all my cards
I want to upgrade this deck t...
What do you mean?
quasi magnet
I wasn’t really taking advantage of the commander in my earlier goldfishes
And wasn’t leaning into it as much
tulip trail
Pin it bestie
quasi magnet
Pin it bestie
I can’t
tulip trail
Nooooo
trim minnow
Undo that
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/JpoTTZdMRkKr_QP3zyigwQ been messing around with this idea for a Faerie/Draw-Go deck with Alela
I am way over the deck cap and I still need to sneak in some more ramp, card advantage, and similar
so I need to make a lot of cuts to the creature board
sharp flax
The balance with Alela is she's both draw go and needs to attack to goad
quasi magnet
yeah
quasi magnet
Oooo
Maybe I’ll make a Sigarda Humans list with them; that or the other one that casts from the top
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quasi magnet
I just ordered the last 5 cards I need for Kiora!
so that's another new deck in my possession
now to solidify on the mono-b deck and start working on that eventually
sharp flax
What's your final list for her?
I'm not looking forward to doin the update on my list
quasi magnet
sharp flax
Right it's blue Kiora
quasi magnet
unkempt jungle
I messed around a lot with Necrobloom to test it recently, mostly against 2020-2025 precons though
It's a fun commander with a fairly distinct take on landfall
Comparing our lists looks like this:
https://moxfield.com/decks/IiUWarZUU0C3yAjp15s7Xw/compare/B0HkrkmDk0ibu5NIGjQRJg
- I found that Squandered Resources simply wasn't as good as Zuran Orb; I cut it and Archaeological Dig.
- Overrun's good in this kind of deck, as is Moonshaker Cavalry
- Corpse Knight and Murkwood Bats are great, as usual.
- Prosperous Innkeeper is very good ramp
- Cryptolith Rite and/or On Wings of Gold do Insidious Roots better
- Since you're slipping in Edge of Eternities cards, get Formless Genesis. Spectacular way to build-your-own-threat if you draw lands while the bloom's in the command zone.
- Avacyn Angel of Hope is a nice top-end. Shalai, Voice of Plenty is also. Obviously they're not as good with Farewell running rampant.
- Traveling Chocobo is very good and accelerates you if you have Emeria Angel + Corpse Knight or Mossborn Hydra out
- Teval's Judgement goes hard with the dredge plan
- Kodama of the East Tree is hilarious when you can sac, dredge, and draw lands
- Gruesome Fate can convert your dozens of tokens directly into a table kill; better Torment of Hailfire
- Talon Gates of Madara is exceptional removal, good pick in your deck
There's definitely some jank 'testing stuff' picks in my list, like Tithe and God-Eternal Bontu.
Worm Harvest is probably especially good in your list compared to mine for your mass land destruction?
Honourable mentions are Ripples of Undeath, Command Beacon (pricy and I probably won't get), Westvale Abbey, Diamond City, and Territory Culler. Worth a quick glance
quasi magnet
to a few notes: For Innkeeper, Shalai, Corpse Knight, and those kinds of cards might be worth visiting but I'm not sure rn. Mossborn Hydra is great for landfall but idk if its for this deck. This deck is not making too much use of dredge right now, tho that could change I suppose. Avacyn kind of goes against what I want from the deck which is to be able to let my lands die, rather than just strand my opponents
unkempt jungle
Oh yeah, that's a fair call. I'd honestly recommend Shalai alone then
quasi magnet
I do plan to refine the list so I'll probably throw in some of the other suggestions as alt win cons
unkempt jungle
Hedge Shredder makes the dredge very silly. I didn't see many great ways to convert the dredge into damage or tokens though
quasi magnet
that way I'm not leaning on Overrun too much
quasi magnet
Hedge Shredder makes the dredge very silly. I didn't see many great ways to conv...
yeah I think I'd do something different for the deck if I wanna lean into a dredge game plan
Traveling Chocobo hits very similarly to Ancient Greenwarden in that it feels very win more
which is why both of those aren't in the list
unkempt jungle
For sure, even scute swarm feels quite a lot for this commander. Lands and tokens come easy
So I think utility lands and token protection are arguably bigger issues than making silly amounts of plants and zombies
quasi magnet
look
I love Plants vs Zombies...
oh holy shit
I'm renaming this deck
thank you
anyways
unkempt jungle
New theme discovered? Gempalm Incinerator swapping in?
quasi magnet
not a new theme but a better name
I think I cut bristly bill for the same reasons I'm not feeling Mossborn Hydra
unkempt jungle
For sure, they're very Timmy cards that just reward you without necessarily requiring any strategic play
quasi magnet
I mean they're much more "eggs in one basket"
which this deck isn't super about that
unkempt jungle
Not necessarily freebies, just yeah
All eggs in one place is a solid description
In my deck, I'll probably swap out Mossborn Hydra, Scute Swarm, Tithe, Lotus Cobra, Thalia and The Gitrog Monster, and Generous Gift (I've got Strip Mine for lands and abzan has no removal quality issues). The drain on ETB and on dredge is a very reliable package, and On Wings of Gold is lowkey redundancy for Field and Bloom
Westvale Abbey and Barad-Dur work very reliably 👍
Chocobo will probably go too, ngl. It's great, but overkill
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/IiUWarZUU0C3yAjp15s7Xw
@rose iris my mess
rose iris
Sorry my roommate came home and we got distracted talking for a while and then I passed out
rose iris
https://moxfield.com/decks/IiUWarZUU0C3yAjp15s7Xw
some notes - I'm a huge fan of [[pitiless carnage]] as seen in it's standard legal combo with Aftermath Analyst. It may be worth looking into
The deck currently looks. A little. Unfocused? I don't know if that's intentional, or not; but it's reading as though it's split between
- Land shenanigans
- MLD loops
- Aristocrat token shenanigans
How has it been playing out in practice?
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Sorcery
Sacrifice any number of permanents you control, then draw that many cards.
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
Akul saw his Hellspur followers as little more than ammunition to be expended.
quasi magnet
Sorry my roommate came home and we got distracted talking for a while and then I...
All good
quasi magnet
some notes - I'm a huge fan of [[pitiless carnage]] as seen in it's *standard le...
So it’s currently figuring out what it wants to do, yeah
rose iris
So it’s currently figuring out what it wants to do, yeah
IMO I would try and focus on two of these three strats rather than trying to balance between all three because they're pretty significantly different in gameplay from each other
quasi magnet
Right
I’d lean into both lands side of things then because that was the game plan
The etb stuff for the creatures was almost entirely backup
quasi magnet
I’ll let ya know when I’m at my desk to work on the list lol
unkempt jungle
Yeah, your build is very land-loop focused. I cut Life from the Loam because mine's very aristocrats-like -- I'd recommend you keep it in.
So I think you'd get lots of mileage from redundancy for Overrun. And adding Worm Harvest and Formless Genesis so you can rebuild your board quickly. Gruesome Fate if you need a noncombat way to kill, but I'm not sure you go wide enough for that and your opponents probably stall and can't block efficiently under MLD conditions.
quasi magnet
@rose iris @unkempt jungle since I kow Animu you've been interested in my list rn; I guess any cuts that stick out?
just cut Living Death
unkempt jungle
Squandered Resources, unless you're getting value from it for a combo
quasi magnet
yeah
you get to feed a ton of mana into it to then wrath and get them back
its also just a land sac outlet
which this deck doesn't have much of
unkempt jungle
Ah, tapping out your lands to float, then sacrificing them?
quasi magnet
mhmm
then you can get them back in many ways
like this deck is on most of the splendid rec effects
unkempt jungle
I guess it's a mana doubler that way. Carry on.
Any alternatives to Desolation Angel and Toxic Deluge?
quasi magnet
Desolation Angel is in a bit of a weird spot
unkempt jungle
Yeah
unkempt jungle
Deluge is one that's probably hard to replace aside from maybe its conditional reprint [[Deluge of Doom]]
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quasi magnet
there's exactly 5 "Destroy all Lands" effects in Abzan
and one is also a creature wrath
unkempt jungle
Trying to keep your creatures when you can turn your lands into elephants and make zombies on landfall?
sharp flax
So you're noton either [[pitiless carnage]] or [[reprocess]]?
sturdy galeBOT
Sorcery
Sacrifice any number of permanents you control, then draw that many cards.
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
Akul saw his Hellspur followers as little more than ammunition to be expended.
quasi magnet
https://scryfall.com/card/otj/98/pitiless-carnage
now this I was looking for
sharp flax
Both of them should let you sac lands and then just dredge for them
with replacing the draw
unkempt jungle
Yeah, I use [[God Eternal Bontu]] for this. They come back
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quasi magnet
Im not sure about Bontu
but it's solid
Carnage def goes in because I can plot it so its free then I can float mana for a splendid rec
trim minnow
Which deck is this for?
unkempt jungle
Basically 3mv hand replenishment and a 2mv 5/6 that survives Farewell
quasi magnet
lol
unkempt jungle
It's kind of funny that Pitiless Carnage says "permanents you control"
quasi magnet
but yeah there's not a lot of symmetrical wrath effects
unkempt jungle
As if sacrificing ones you don't is an option on the others 😄
trim minnow
Icetill explorer is so crazy
quasi magnet
yeah
trim minnow
I guess printing 3 cards on one card is the new schtick
quasi magnet
the reason I returned to modify this list was because of that card
I like KotR in this deck, but I'm not so sure about WotR
trim minnow
I like wight, just in general but also because your tokens
quasi magnet
current ones I'm wary of:
the tortise
avenger
azusa
abolisher
wight
gruesome fate
insidious roots
glacial chasm
quasi magnet
It's a card that reads better than it plays
it reads great, but its not for this deck
sharp flax
If you're doing attacking at all you don't want chasm
If you're wanting to sit and dredge, then go for it
unkempt jungle
Worse splendid reclamation. Tortoise is much better in aristocrats decks like mine where recovering lands is kinda incidental because I'm draining with creatures and dredging
So tortoise is a good cut
quasi magnet
it's fun in my land animation deck, but even my Optimized bracket deck for Yedora couldn't hold it; I'll def find homes for it tho
sharp flax
Avenger should be fine, but it's probably going to be your 101st
sharp flax
Wight is great though
quasi magnet
and I feel like it could hold
Wight is good but I was just unsure how the sac for land mode felt
unkempt jungle
Avenger's in a weird spot. Going off with the Necrobloom means its second ability is blank. And the first ability is a worse Worm Harvest. But while you're setting up, it's okay
unkempt jungle
I'd replace Avenger with a redundant Overrun like Moonshaker or Storm Slayer
sharp flax
and otherwise higher than it for splendid rec effects
unkempt jungle
Or double down on your MLD strategy
quasi magnet
Or double down on your MLD strategy
im about as far in as I can be
unkempt jungle
Necrobloom is a machine that turns lands into big board states, so I don't think cutting Overrun effects would ever be good until you've got 4+
quasi magnet
And I think necrobloom wants to be frontloaded
it def wants to be a bit on the cheaper side
i like the ultimatum as a big top end thing
im cutting roots because I don't know how often I will have the ability to use it
unkempt jungle
Necrobloom wants even mana values 4, 6, and 8 available for recasting commander. So odd mana values in that range, or values 3- are most consistent.
Insidious Roots is only really there for ramping into Torment of Hailfire or Exsanguinate most of the time. Even with the dredge, you make like... two plants off Insidious Roots?
So I'd suggest On Wings of Gold instead
quasi magnet
it does help with the stuff from necrobloom but not enough
unkempt jungle
Cryptolith Rite is my pet card for creature ramp
Insidious needs you to frontload tokens which just doesn't work great with bloom's patterns
rose iris
which this deck doesn't have much of
But you have a LOT of MLD
unkempt jungle
On Wings of Gold though... plants turn into early flying blockers, and your dredge gives you flying zombies instead of buffing plants you don't have after the first wipe
quasi magnet
But you have a LOT of MLD
yes
that's the point
im on 4 of the 5 land wrath effects
okay 10 cuts left
Azusa getting the axe
9 cuts
unkempt jungle
Do you need Grand Abolisher's lock?
unkempt jungle
Ah, I interpreted that as "wary to cut because they're relevant in my meta". I'd just pull them all to considering and call it a deck
Azusa has synergy with Life from the Loam tbh
unkempt jungle
So if you're able to cut azusa, I might tentatively suggest cutting life from the loam
Because you've got splendid rec and most of its support package
quasi magnet
So if you're able to cut azusa, I might tentatively suggest cutting life from th...
@rose iris thoughts on that?
rose iris
<@629123652381704222> thoughts on that?
I don’t disagree! You’ve already got a LOT of dredge to recur lands - I don’t know if you need another copy of the effect
quasi magnet
also, as I've been kind of hinting at, I haven't been dredging the lands that much
tho that migth change more
(just via necrobloom tho)
rose iris
also, as I've been kind of hinting at, I haven't been dredging the lands that mu...
Oh! I missed that. Then yeah cut life from the loam
sharp flax
A kutzil would be better than abolisher
But you aren't dredging, which feels like mistake (joking because always be dredging)
I have a bold statement
I don't think roots works here outside of as a [[cryptolith rites]]
sturdy galeBOT
Enchantment
Creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
The chant was incomprehensible, but its power was unmistakable.
sharp flax
Unless you're regularly keeping yourself at 6 or fewer lands
If you were doing Necrobloom/Yedora it would make more sense
unkempt jungle
I don't think roots works here outside of as a [[cryptolith rites]]
Maybe bold to EDHRec data, but it's very evident if you playtest the deck a few dozen times. Cryptolith Rites is much more reliable as ramp, and On Wings of Gold is much better token quality
sharp flax
But you're not using like [[stinkweed imp]]
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sharp flax
or any of the dredge creatures
wind bison
Maybe bold to EDHRec data, but it's very evident if you playtest the deck a few ...
That seems to generally be the sentiment outside Teval decks lmao
sharp flax
so there's no way to reliably pull creatures out outside of eerie and it only triggers once per animation (one or more)
wind bison
Played the card many times to a very middling effect
sharp flax
I have it in Meren and it's great with her
But she always pulls a creature out of your graveyard
It just doesn't always go to the battlefield
wind bison
Some deck where you’re regularly pulling stuff out with individual effects, anyway
quasi magnet
I don't think roots works here outside of as a [[cryptolith rites]]
maybe refresh the tab
(its already been cut)
quasi magnet
lol yeah
sharp flax
Or did it right before you cut it?
quasi magnet
im cutting roots because I don't know how often I will have the ability to use i...
cut it right here
sharp flax
OK, so I had a stuff happen around then and would be why
quasi magnet
I think I swap Austere command for Final Showdown
wondering about this
quasi magnet
yep
sharp flax
I think mulching artifacts/enchantments are too good
quasi magnet
I was thinking of hour of reckoning
quasi magnet
I think mulching artifacts/enchantments are too good
yeah
I think the reason final showdown made the list currently is because I was thinking about it in tandem with hour of reckoning lol
sharp flax
Yeah
quasi magnet
okay I'm sticking with command I think
sturdy galeBOT
Sorcery
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Exile all creatures except those that share a creature type with a creature that convoked this spell, all artifacts, and all enchantments.
"I can see every single atom of your existence, and I divide them."
quasi magnet
maybe
okay currently 6 cuts
im currently on 6 ways to bring back lands on mass
actually, 7
I can probably cut World Shaper then
sharp flax
Yeah, I could see cutting it
But I think Mending of Dominaria might be better as [[summon:titan]]
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trim minnow
I'm excited to play titan sometime
quasi magnet
But I think Mending of Dominaria might be better as [[summon:titan]]
I considered it as well
Might make that swap
Anyways I’m at 5 cuts left, so any ideas are welcome
trim minnow
5 basics go
quasi magnet
Bro I’m on a lands deck
I am at a higher basic count than I expected but I like the count
trim minnow
(I'm joking)
quasi magnet
I know frien
quasi magnet
okay what should I cut?
I truly have no idea...
kinda leaning towards tireless tracker?
quasi magnet
they just offer extr adraw
Im also kind of looking at Lumra because I remembered I also have meld Titania
and I now have like 4 Crucible effects I think, which means I can probably just cut Ramunap Excavator
so I guess I'm looking at:
Tireless Tracker, Lumra (or another splendid rec), ramunap excavator (or another one of the crucible effects, might just be the crucible itself)
also probably Wrenn and Realmbreaker
or even Six considering how little I'm dredging
sharp flax
Lumra is demoralizing to opponents
quasi magnet
mhmm
sharp flax
And abzan always seems to want that
quasi magnet
lol you don't say
sharp flax
Like, playing against a good abzan deck, there will often be a moment where it's like when you realize you're dead to lantern control
quasi magnet
yeah
okay, so probably tracker, wrenn and realmbreaker, crucible of worlds(?), Six(?), and a reclamation effect(?)
could cut Amulet of Vigor in favor for the other new "lands enter untapped" guy and also just make the deck that much more affordable
im gonna do that swap rq
put [[horizon explorer]] in instead of amulet
sturdy galeBOT
Creature — Insect Scout
Lands you control enter untapped.
Whenever you attack a player, create a Lander token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.")
Every world is a new garden.
2/4
quasi magnet
oh hi Umaru
wind bison
Like, playing against a good abzan deck, there will often be a moment where it's...
I tried making that abzan stompy deck. Turns out it’s hard to make abzan stompy run well without simultaneously running some amount of staxy pieces
sharp flax
I honestly wonder if Abzan stompy is just enchantress
sharp flax
But what you said is related to what I meant. It's like Abzan has to chokehold you
quasi magnet
definitely feels like that
sharp flax
And then overwhelm
quasi magnet
I know Abzan does some counters stuff
wind bison
Abzan has hella counters support
quasi magnet
And then overwhelm
personally I'm more of a fan of Overrun and Triumph of the Hordes...
wind bison
Especially human typal with a counters subtheme
Like, I think abzan human typal //+1/+1 counters is the best example of a strong subtheme you can do
sharp flax
[[Felothar|TDM]], her ancestor [[Reyhan, last of the abzan]]
grim raft
okay, one more cut...
[[!Springheart Nantuko]]
sturdy galeBOT
quasi magnet
[[!Springheart Nantuko]]
that was the one I was considering
grim raft
that was the one I was considering
It's pretty meh for B4
quasi magnet
for this deck
grim raft
The other thought is whether you went overboard on crucible effects but you might be fine there.
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/mf_U4DrJ5EucKcnzR7gXbQ the list that's about to become a real deck
if anyone has any other ideas for it lemme know
quasi magnet
time to sleeve this up
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/wEDT4T8hB0aGSn5t8JeTrw throwing my Toph list here for now (not finished, just threw a few things in so far just for ideas
trim minnow
lol
trim minnow
I ahven't looked at it yet, just saw "Man rocks"
quasi magnet
https://moxfield.com/decks/_rRghsPuWki3j0g-c_RNHQ Chat, I'm making a prowess storm deck
currently at 73 cards, happy to go over before I start making cuts
sharp flax
So you've committed to focusing on instants/sorceries?
You may want [[taigam ojutai master]] because any rebound counts for prowess
sturdy galeBOT
sturdy galeBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has hexproof from monocolored.
Equip 
. This ability costs less to activate for each color of the creature it targets.
It's as if the metal itself rages.
sharp flax
[[Olórin's Searing Light]] as well
sturdy galeBOT
sharp flax
This is my Narset. There may be some other things in here that could help but I think I took a different path than a lot of people https://moxfield.com/decks/ajXbO9NHvUe4qWUInV6uTA
quasi magnet
It was funny earlier realizing I only had 14 slots left and had a combined 14 instants and sorceries
acoustic plover
https://moxfield.com/decks/wEDT4T8hB0aGSn5t8JeTrw throwing my Toph list here for...
- #1405518114699087893
- to my understanding equipment that become creatures don’t have “when equipped creature attacks” triggers enabled since they aren’t equipped
- [[Black Panther]] seems like a fun inclusion
sturdy galeBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Noble Hero
First strike
Survey the Realm — Whenever Black Panther or another creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target land you control.
Mine Vibranium — : Move all +1/+1 counters from target land you control onto target creature. If one or more +1/+1 counters are moved this way, you gain that much life and draw a card.
2/2
acoustic plover
https://moxfield.com/decks/wEDT4T8hB0aGSn5t8JeTrw throwing my Toph list here for...
[[Storm cauldron]] is also neat, but I apologize for the lengthy discussion about what makes a mana ability a mana ability in the Toph thread
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sharp flax
But my Narset wants to cast opponents' cards and my list is more about getting her big enough rather than a go-wide
quasi magnet
But my Narset wants to cast opponents' cards and my list is more about getting h...
yeah mine in general is jsut trying ot go-wide and crush my opponents with big monk creatures
okay I def need to get my spell count up for magecraft or whatever
wind bison
@quasi magnet good stream last night btw 😉
quasi magnet
<@623727335090290688> good stream last night btw 😉
wait what?!?
were you there???
also thank you 
wind bison
Yeah, didn’t know you’d been playing lego star wars for so long
sharp flax
I didn't know you were streaming
wind bison
He posted it in #self-promotion yesterday