Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

[pastel agate]

My 3 color decks typically run 6, the normal 3 then I “add a color” and put those in

[sly torrent]

I normally only run 1 of each basic in 3 color decks. I just run more in this solely to enable Kodama

[pastel agate]

I like to see it as a flavor thing lol. I added black to bumbleflower because she’s secretly pretty sinister

Idek why I ended up with 6 basics, just kinda landed like that

[sly torrent]

Yea my play group is learning that bumbles isnt very friendly

[pastel agate]

I mean she IS…

until she isnt

[sly torrent]

Is 7 basics enough for Kodama?

Or should I just cut Kodama

Maybe I should put Exploration/Burgeoning back in?

I'd need one more cut other than Kodama to fit both. Cuts are so difficult with this deck. It's a very tight list.

https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA

[sand island]

For real

[pastel agate]

I’m not a fan of kodama tbh

Though I always like drawing cards more so

[sly torrent]

I've had Kodama ramp a ton in some games, and the trample usually doesn't hurt in case a player has some fliers to block bumbles

But now that I've had a game ruined by running so many basics, I'm questioning the include

[pastel agate]

Eh, lack of fixing is just one of those things

A single game isn’t an indicative data point

[sly torrent]

I know, but I wouldn’t be a commander player if I didn’t obsess over card slots after every game

[sly torrent]

Should I just cut the incoming bio carapace to include both exploration and burgeoning?

[sly torrent]

how many people actually run reliquary tower in bumbles?

I've been trying to cut colorless only lands from my 3 color decks, but she might actually draw enough cards to where it could be useful

probably not necessary though

[pastel agate]

I’m not a huge fan of bio carapace personally

I run reliquary tower bc I don’t want to waste resources getting cards back and the colorless hasn’t broken my fixing too bad yet

[sly torrent]

Yea, I can prob spring for a single colorless land

158 total CMC now haha

And down to 3 basics. My 3 color standard haha.

Pesky basics

[tall blaze]

I feel like I should add more basics

Kodama goes so hard

I just want my deck to be ramping and drawing

[sly torrent]

Kodama is pretty awesome. I'm gonna try without for a bit though. Getting color screwed sometimes might not be worth trying to optimize only a single card in the deck.

Although now I need to probably find room for [[Ouroboroid]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/201/ouroboroid

Ouroboroid <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Plant Wurm
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put X +1/+1 counters on each creature you control, where X is this creature's power.
"I've found a strange vine in the ice. Thawing for further analysis." —Meltstrider log, final entry
1/3

[sand island]

[[$ouroboroid]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/201/ouroboroid

Prices for Ouroboroid

Edge of Eternities Promos

€18.07

Edge of Eternities

$21.82 • €18.36 • 3.28 TIX

Edge of Eternities

$25.96 • €23.71 • 3.74 TIX

[sand island]

yikes

[sly torrent]

lol yea...

would love thoughts on a potential cut. It's getting so difficult to cut cards in this deck. It's pretty well balanced in play testing

https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA

although I'd just trade cards in for it. I'm big on trading unused cards for new ones. So many players are sitting huge binders they could trade in for new decks but dont. I don't understand it.

[sly torrent]

What are people's thoughts on fogs vs. prison effects

[[Arachnogenesis]] and [[Galadhrim Ambush]] vs. [[ghostly prison]] and [[propaganda]].

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/omb/31/arachnogenesis

Arachnogenesis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Create X 1/2 green Spider creature tokens with reach, where X is the number of creatures attacking you. Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn by non-Spider creatures.

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/38/galadhrim-ambush

Galadhrim Ambush <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Create X 1/1 green Elf Warrior creature tokens, where X is the number of attacking creatures.
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn by non-Elf creatures.
"None of the Orcs will ever return out of Lórien." —Haldir

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/116/ghostly-prison

Ghostly Prison <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"May the memory of our fallen heroes ensnare the violent hearts of lesser men." —Great Threshold of Monserkat inscription

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/108/propaganda

Propaganda <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"The cost of your opposition will be extracted from your wits." —Nekusar, the Mindrazer

[sand island]

I run prison effects and fogs

And perch protection

[sly torrent]

i currently run those fogs as well as spike weaver, spore frog, and kami of false hope

so i have 5 fogs currently

wondering if I should replace the expensive ones for prison effects

[sand island]

I really like fogs personally

[sly torrent]

for sure. Fogs win games all the time

But I think prison effects also win games

[sand island]

I run both!

[sly torrent]

people always forget about them and with Bumbles already being a good blocker, stopping go wide with prison seems good

how many of each do you run

[sand island]

[[selfless squire]] is one of my favorite cards in it tbh

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/82/selfless-squire

Selfless Squire <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Flash
When this creature enters, prevent all damage that would be dealt to you this turn.
Whenever damage that would be dealt to you is prevented, put that many +1/+1 counters on this creature.
1/1

[sand island]

Gives ammo for that slap back

[[comeuppance]] is another I run

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/omb/1/comeuppance

Comeuppance <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to you and planeswalkers you control this turn by sources you don't control. If damage from a creature source is prevented this way, Comeuppance deals that much damage to that creature. If damage from a noncreature source is prevented this way, Comeuppance deals that much damage to the source's controller.

[sly torrent]

that is a pretty funny one

do you have your list posted?

[sand island]

Yeah, but I took it apart online, so it doesn't really reflect what my last working list was

I also like [[maze of ith]] effects and run them

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/250/maze-of-ith

Maze of Ith

Land
: Untap target attacking creature. Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to and dealt by that creature this turn.

[sand island]

My current work in progress is kinda a nightmare, so I haven't played bumble in months lol

[sly torrent]

I think I'm just gonna cut [[envoy of the ancestors]] for Ouro. I don't really have any other lifegain synergies and with bumbles as such a tall blocker, life isn't usually an issue

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/23/envoy-of-the-ancestors

Envoy of the Ancestors <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
Outlast (, : Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature. Outlast only as a sorcery.)
Modified creatures you control have lifelink. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
"No Abzan has ever stood alone."
2/3

[sly torrent]

now I need to decide if I should cut a couple fogs for prison effects

[steep salmon]

Big fan of [[Moment's Peace]] as a fog due to the double bumble procs through flashback

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ody/251/moments-peace

Moment's Peace <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

[sly torrent]

I think Im gonna cut the more expensive fogs for prison and prop. Holding up 4 mana sometimes can be kinda tricky

I think the fog creatures prevent even more attacks by being on the board as well

[sly iris]

[[Kubris, Harvest Celebrant]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mic/27/kurbis-harvest-celebrant

Kurbis, Harvest Celebrant <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Treefolk
Kurbis enters with a number of +1/+1 counters on it equal to the amount of mana spent to cast it.
Remove a +1/+1 counter from Kurbis: Prevent all damage that would be dealt this turn to another target creature with a +1/+1 counter on it.
0/0

[tall blaze]

I'll likely cut court or Garenbrig for it

It's too win more for my liking

[sly torrent]

Court is too win more or Ouro?

[pastel agate]

I like court, but ouroboroid is too good

[tall blaze]

Court is useless after a board wipe, which is usually the position I feel weakest in

Court is great if you have a board but if I have a board I'm probably winning

I get blown out by board wipes mostly

Maybe I need to run more board protection... but I already have quite a light creature package

[sly torrent]

I run multiple protection effects. There’s so many to choose from in these colors

[tall blaze]

That's true

I feel like I often take turns doing nothing after a wipe so either I need more protection or more bodies

[sly torrent]

Dawn's Truce
Heroic Intervention
Ripples of Potential
Sejiri Shelter // Sejiri Glacier
Selfless Spirit
Inspiring Call
Bear Umbra

Those are what I run

Bear Umbra is gross

[tall blaze]

That's a lot of slots!

I can barely find space for cards

[tall blaze]

Cutting is hard

[sly torrent]

Bumbles does so much on her own that I think you can devote a lot to support

Running six of an effect in commander is equivalent to running four of something in 60 card formats. If you want to see an effect in the game, you should run at least 6 of them.

[tall blaze]

Yeah but when bumble is removed I feel so naked

I can just play a standard +1/+1 counter strategy without her

but playing her for 6 is rough

Also bear umbra does look good... maybe worth adding

[tall blaze]

I need to make a lot of cuts... any suggestions? https://moxfield.com/decks/nvSViNtTAkG7tTINoNll-Q

Might drop [[Kodama of the West Tree]] for [[Sphere Grid]] since I run so few basics

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/199/kodama-of-the-west-tree

Kodama of the West Tree <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Spirit
Reach
Modified creatures you control have trample. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
Whenever a modified creature you control deals combat damage to a player, search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/70/sphere-grid

Sphere Grid <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
Unlock Ability — Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have reach and trample.
To activate nodes, you must use spheres.

[tall blaze]

maester seymour yay/nay?

thinking about swapping out arwen since creature count is kinda low

also [[terrasymbiosis]] looks fantastic

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/210/terrasymbiosis

Terrasymbiosis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more +1/+1 counters on a creature you control, you may draw that many cards. Do this only once each turn.
For Eumidians, terraforming and evolution are one and the same. They grow as their planet grows, in lockstep coexistence.

[tall blaze]

what do we think about [[cosmogrand zenith]]?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/9/cosmogrand-zenith

Cosmogrand Zenith <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, choose one —
• Create two 1/1 white Human Soldier creature tokens.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
Cosmogrands of the Celestial Palatinate always seek to expand their grip on the Edge.
2/4

[tall blaze]

Just played bumble after upgrades

[[Warden of the Grove]] is great. so are the twins

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/166/warden-of-the-grove

Warden of the Grove <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Hydra
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, it endures X, where X is the number of counters on this creature. (Put X +1/+1 counters on the creature that entered or create an X/X white Spirit creature token.)
2/2

[tall blaze]

[[Peerless recycling]] is excellent too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/188/peerless-recycling

Peerless Recycling <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Gift a card (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they draw a card before its other effects.)
Return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand. If the gift was promised, instead return two target permanent cards from your graveyard to your hand.

[sly torrent]

Warden plus [[whitemane lion]] is funny

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/35/whitemane-lion

Whitemane Lion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
Flash
When this creature enters, return a creature you control to its owner's hand.
Saltfield nomads call a sudden storm a "whitemane."
2/2

[tall blaze]

yup

[sly torrent]

I just cut Kodama this week as well after getting color screwed from too many basics. Not worth it just to enable one card.

[tall blaze]

The trample is importsnt

But sphere grid does it

[sly torrent]

Yea it was a hard cut

But yea sphere grid giving trample and reach is awesome

[tall blaze]

I should add sphere grid

But I've already cut down to 35 lands and that feels low as is

[sly torrent]

I run 37

With 158 total cmc

[tall blaze]

That's a very low cmc

Maybe I should go back to 37

But I love all my cards

[floral prairie]

The classic Commander dilemma.

[sly torrent]

I don't really have any decks that run less than 37 lands anymore

35 is so low

I think you'll likely be more consistent with more

[steep salmon]

I have a few small exceptions, by yeah 37 minimum for b1-3. B4-5 I tend to go closer to 25-28, but those decks all have 8+ turn 1 fast-mana rocks and rituals.

[tall blaze]

I just love slots for good cards

though I do find burgeoning and exploration rarely do anything because of my land count

I'll probably go back to 37 in bumble, getting colour screwed really messes me up

but I have no idea what to cut

[sly torrent]

But you can't cast your good cards without lands

That's what I try to force myself to remember

Cut high cmc cards that maybe aren't necessary. If it doesn't move towards your win, cut it.

[sly torrent]

I'm trying to double spell every turn and have lots of cheap interaction. Gotta be able to protect Bumbles and remove obstacles if I'm gonna be giving away so much card draw.

[tall blaze]

My total mana cost is 186

Maybe I'll cut hullbreaker horror for a land

I took out arcane signet so it no longer goes infinite

though it could still go infinite with flipped heliod

I often find I have too much interaction and just a hand full of it with nothing to actually cast

[sly torrent]

Unless you're casting a ton of instants I don't think you need hullbreaker. Plus it draws so much heat.

I'm not running any GCs in my deck because Bumbles already draws enough aggro once she gets going. I don't need single cards that will draw a ton of aggro on their own.

[tall blaze]

I feel like hullbreaker generally means I win

[sly torrent]

Yea, that too. I guess it just depends on do you want to win with bumbles or win with something else. Hullbreaker is kinda generic.

It's gonna be OP in anything

[tall blaze]

true

[sly torrent]

But I built my deck to focus on winning with commander damage

[sly torrent]

[[yavimaya hollow]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/325/yavimaya-hollow

Yavimaya Hollow

Legendary Land
: Add .
, : Regenerate target creature.
For all its traps and defenses, Yavimaya has its havens, too.

[sly torrent]

Yea so that's good

Green has all the good cards

[pastel agate]

Yeah.

[[$yavimaya hollow]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/325/yavimaya-hollow

Prices for Yavimaya Hollow

Vintage Masters

0.07 TIX

Urza's Destiny

$75.80 • €47.10 • 0.45 TIX

[pastel agate]

i’m good lol, also I don’t know if I find the land that useful to be worth taking a slot over the fixing

But idk

[sly torrent]

My only other colorless land is Reliquary Tower

I think 2 out of 37 would be acceptable

Bumbleflower is my win con, so protecting her is most important

[pastel agate]

True true

Hm

[sly torrent]

but I do agree that you want to limit colorless only lands in three colors to very few

I'm only running 3 basics now, so basically every other land is fixing

[pastel agate]

Ooh I do have basics to cut

[glossy fox]

how long has it been since bumbleflower

like 1 year?

[sand island]

Yeah, 13 or 14 months

[sly torrent]

I only started playing her a couple months ago. I was way late to the game.

[sand island]

My group got the bundle

[sly torrent]

I played the Bello precon and found it meh

I've thought about brewing custom a few times, but it seems like there'd be a big weakness to crack back with most of your creatures not even being creatures on other turns

[sand island]

Yeah, Bello is very weak to getting the commander removed and also having no blockers themselves

[pastel agate]

Bello is pretty sweet aggro though

Can get real nasty real fast

[sly torrent]

Just the idea of a deck chock full of huge enchantments is fun. I do like Winter for that. Big enchantment/artifact reanimator is silly.

[tall blaze]

I wanted to build bello but when brewing it I had the problem of not enough cards

Rather than the usual problem of too many cards

That told me it was not a deck I would enjoy

[sand island]

Kinda just throwing together a bunch of creatures for a deck tonight to finish it lol

Seeing if just a bunch of low cmc creatures that care about pp counters will do enough work

Since I'm still missing all those cards I want to finish my version

[pastel agate]

Probably lol

Creatures that can hold counters, card draw or removal/protection. take your pick it’ll all work

[sand island]

It mostly worked, until I ended up drawing 96 cards from toothy

[[volatile stormdrake]] is great

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/79/volatile-stormdrake

Volatile Stormdrake <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Drake
Flying, hexproof from activated and triggered abilities
When this creature enters, exchange control of this creature and target creature an opponent controls. If you do, you get , then sacrifice that creature unless you pay an amount of equal to its mana value.
3/2

[pastel agate]

I’m not generally a fan of giving people flying blockers but yeah stormdrake is real good

Wait

[[ms bumbleflower]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/3/ms-bumbleflower

Ms. Bumbleflower <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Citizen
Vigilance
Whenever you cast a spell, target opponent draws a card. Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. It gains flying until end of turn. If this is the second time this ability has resolved this turn, you draw two cards.
1/5

[pastel agate]

why stormdrake missing his p/t lol

[sand island]

He has it for me

[tall blaze]

Just play [[gilded drake]] it's way better

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/usg/76/gilded-drake

Gilded Drake <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Drake
Flying
When this creature enters, exchange control of this creature and up to one target creature an opponent controls. If you don't or can't make an exchange, sacrifice this creature. This ability still resolves if its target becomes illegal.
Buyer beware.
3/3

[tall blaze]

[sand island]

[[$gilded drake]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/usg/76/gilded-drake

Prices for Gilded Drake

Urza's Saga

$192.71 • €136.67 • 10.50 TIX

[steep salmon]

Sharpie time 😛

[tall blaze]

I've gone down the proxy rabbit hole

I have full proxy decks now

It's awful

[steep salmon]

That's not awful. Welcome home comrade.

[tall blaze]

The proxies are like 0.003mm thicker than a real card. Which isn't a problem unless you double sleeve and use boulder cases which are designed for exactly 100 double sleeved cards

With a fully proxied deck it can only handle 99 cards

[sand island]

But why would you double sleeve?

[hot breach]

Probably a force of habit

[sly torrent]

I think it’s easier to mash shuffle double sleeved cards

[tall blaze]

Easier to shuffle and also this particular deck I will probably realify over time

Also the commander is uh

Raised foil Chatterfang

So I can't not double sleeve him

[sand island]

Ew chatterfang

[tall blaze]

I wanted a bracket 4 deck and I had the raised foil

[sick crescent]

this card i feel like is very under rated for this deck, its low cost draw and late game can win you the game if it resolves, very fun

[sand island]

There are quite a few can't be blocked cantrips

I just run [[rogue's passage]] if flying isn't enough

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/264/rogues-passage

Rogue's Passage

Land
: Add .
, : Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
Rumors quickly spread among thieves about a labyrinth without walls and a prize beyond all measures of worth.

[sick crescent]

food chain and cards that let you cast from exile are what i always want to draw into, its annoying to get around this cause you have to remove the food chain to stop this, late game very fun

[sick crescent]

4 mana being dumped into it is just alot for me and no cast trigger and one less card, to me it isnt worth it at all

[sand island]

A cantrip that isn't instant speed is the same for me lol

[sick crescent]

this is a great card also sorry for the dump im new here easy double cast if you have the mana and you have your card draw engine if it not countered, paired with smothering tide its very fun

[sand island]

Yeah, both shrieking and [[whitemane lion]] are good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/35/whitemane-lion

Whitemane Lion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
Flash
When this creature enters, return a creature you control to its owner's hand.
Saltfield nomads call a sudden storm a "whitemane."
2/2

[sick crescent]

i dont play to win sorry, its about fun and instants are annoying to get around if youre playing and teaching new players

[sick crescent]

havent seen whitemane lion, might have to add

[sand island]

Flash and instants are like half of what you want to be doing as bumble imo

Getting triggers on opponents' turns is real important

[pastel agate]

I also recommend [[view from above]] for the same reason

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/con/38/view-from-above

View from Above <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains flying until end of turn. If you control a white permanent, return View from Above to its owner's hand.
"This air feels so heavy and thick. There are no winds to speak of. I fear the knowledge that comes from a place like this."

[pastel agate]

Imo better than whitemane in this deck

W/ bumble out it’s a funny combat trick

[sand island]

[[slip through space]] is another copy of enter the enigma if you want it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/47/slip-through-space

Slip Through Space <:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
Draw a card.
The Eldrazi twisted in a direction that had no name, and a frontal assault became a panicked rout.

[pastel agate]

It’s better

Can’t be pyroblasted

Oh wait not an instant

I’m a dingus

Oh also @sick crescent make sure to check the pinned messages here, we have a ton of decklists there

[sand island]

[[communal brewing]] overperforms every game

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/29/communal-brewing

Communal Brewing <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, any number of target opponents each draw a card. Put an ingredient counter on this enchantment, then put an ingredient counter on it for each card drawn this way.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, that creature enters with X additional +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the number of ingredient counters on this enchantment.

[sand island]

I swear it's becoming my favorite card

Behind John Benton ofc

[pastel agate]

Yeah it slaps

100% worth

[sick crescent]

I get what your saying but this just seems mean, cast trigger each turn and just a juggernaut of a rabbit, fuck me

[sick crescent]

Love this even more cause of the set its from

[steep salmon]

I find the creature versions play out better most of the time [[Arwen, Weaver of Hope]] and [[Warden of the Grove]] since both can be scaled up by Bumbleflower.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/35/arwen-weaver-of-hope

Arwen, Weaver of Hope <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Each other creature you control enters with a number of additional +1/+1 counters on it equal to Arwen's toughness.
From afar, Arwen watched over Aragorn, and in hope, she made for him a great and kingly standard.
2/1

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/166/warden-of-the-grove

Warden of the Grove <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Hydra
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, it endures X, where X is the number of counters on this creature. (Put X +1/+1 counters on the creature that entered or create an X/X white Spirit creature token.)
2/2

[tall blaze]

I really like Seymour

But I like all the counters dudes

so I ended up making a mono green counters deck

I really need to find a way to get two more lands into my bumble

35 is not enough

Also I might end up cutting reliquary tower

Which sounds like treason

[broken tulip]

Naw, bumblebutt doesn't really draw cards

You go down two, go up two, draw for turn land for turn. That's card neutral

[pastel agate]

I’m tending to agree with you, 36 might be the move

[pastel agate]

Yeah, that’s why my list runs like 20-some ways to draw cards on top of that

22

[pastel agate]

Bumblers I have a plan

I plan to snag the rest of the expeditions I need to finish off foiling my manabase for the deck

[broken tulip]

Sounds expensive, good luck

Do send (solicited) deck pics when they arrive

[tall blaze]

I'm blinging out my Sephiroth deck

somehow Bumble doesnt get the love despite being another of my favourites

[broken tulip]

Having a foil mana base is the foundation of a foiled out deck

[sly torrent]

My total cmc is 158 and I'm still running 37 lands. I'm convinced most people don't run enough lands.

[steep salmon]

Is that including costs on mdfc lands?

[pastel agate]

The deck is about 70% bling now, so I’ll have to do a video going through it all

I have these really nice foil proxies of dual lands that I’ve been using in place of real dual lands and they’re better imo

So pretty

[broken tulip]

What, don't own 40 duals? What are you, a casual?

[pastel agate]

I would invest in dual lands for this deck

But they’re not as pretty as the ones I have

So eh

[broken tulip]

I invested in fake dual lands for my favorite decks. I love collector's edition square corners

[pastel agate]

I have this pic on hand, I’ll have to get a better one when I get the new exps

[tall blaze]

This is much easier in a mono colour deck which is why I have an all surge foil mana base

Well, as much as possible

Volraths Stronghold was never printed in foil

[broken tulip]

Anyone got a decklist I can stare at?

I made a bumblebutt deck as voltron, but I kind of hate it. Thinking of moving it into combo with food chain and aluren.

But that version double spells a lot less frequently, and is more of a u/g value pile

[sly torrent]

yes

[sly torrent]

My list is counters and control https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA

Mine looks to double spell every turn, so she gets big enough for lethal very quickly

Imo, you need a lot of interaction to deal with how many cards you give away

[steep salmon]

I would remove their costs from the total as you often are not casting them ( or remove like 80% of their costs )

[sly torrent]

I'd say in this deck they are cast like half of the time since they are all basically interaction pieces

It also doens't really change anything. I'm not going to drop down to less than 37 lands

[steep salmon]

That may be why you are feeling you are running mana low

[sly torrent]

but that would bring me to 145 cmc if I don't count the MDFCs

[steep salmon]

No, I just wouldn't include them in my averaging costs. Stuff like Turntimber and Sea Gate Resto throw out my 'average' cost by a mile each

[sly torrent]

I don't think I'm running low. I was saying I'm convinced most people don't run enough lands across all their decks. 35 isn't enough in most cases to reliably hit drops even through turn 4.

Hell, even 39 lands is only 70% chance to hit 4 in a row

[steep salmon]

Ah, that's fair I wouldn't touch less than 37 for anything outside special circumstances or br4/5

[sly torrent]

My Shorikai reanimator deck only runs 33 with 10 2cmc mana rocks. The idea being that once shorikai is out, you are drawing 3+ cards per turn so should hit every land drop at that point.

And reanimator has to really balance a lot card types to work. Especially in non-black reanimator

Fun deck though

[broken tulip]

This deck has like no protection, it looks like it would fold immediately after having bumblebutt die twice

[sly torrent]

What? It has 8 protection effects not including counter spells

11 if you include those

1 Yavimaya Hollow
1 Dawn's Truce
1 Heroic Intervention
1 Ripples of Potential
1 Sejiri Shelter // Sejiri Glacier
1 Selfless Spirit
1 Inspiring Call
1 Bear Umbra

[broken tulip]

You really should have mom and step mom in this

[sly torrent]

who?

[broken tulip]

Indestructible is also almost worthless, too many things Exile and bounce

Mother of runes, giver of runes

[sly torrent]

Those are good. And one drops. Not sure why I didn't think of those when I run them both in Adeline

Indestructible works pretty fine in B3

[broken tulip]

Now that I don't agree with, taking advantage of other's poor deckbuilding choices

[sly torrent]

I don't follow?

This isn't meant to be a B4 deck, so why shouldn't I build it to how people build B3?

Most B3 players aren't packing huge amounts of exile removal or bounce

[broken tulip]

Just because your opponents are playing wrath of gods doesn't mean you shouldn't be ready for a sunfall

[sly torrent]

I'd be ready for the sunfall because if everything is exiled, my deck will likely bounce back faster than others because it's so low to the ground

[broken tulip]

Which is precisely why theros gods get it too easy, but that's a different gripe

[sly torrent]

Protection won't stop the Sunfall either

Only way to stop that is counter spell or phase out

[broken tulip]

No, but that's why you should be looking at phasing

[sand island]

Yeah, phasing is the best protection

[sly torrent]

I run [[ripples of potential]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/77/ripples-of-potential

Ripples of Potential <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Proliferate, then choose any number of permanents you control that had a counter put on them this way. Those permanents phase out. (To proliferate, choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there. Treat phased-out permanents and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until their controller's next turn.)

[broken tulip]

March of swirling mists, clever concealment, gladriel's dismissal

[sand island]

I love march so much

[sly torrent]

I run clever and gladriel in my Adeline deck

[broken tulip]

Ripples is good but only one sided protection, galadriel and march can be used aggressively which is beautiful

[sly torrent]

I know. They are pretty dope

I play in a regular group. I don't really need those extra layers of protection beyond what I already have. This deck is already strong af in my pod haha

[broken tulip]

Now the hexproof stuff that keeps your creatures in play has some upside

[sly torrent]

My group plays not nearly enough removal. I built Bumbles as a higher removal deck to try to police the table every so often.

[broken tulip]

That you can swing, protect, and still deal damage. But I find that situation one that I'm not aiming for

[sand island]

[[slip out the back]] is okay too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clu/99/slip-out-the-back

Slip Out the Back <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. It phases out. (Treat it and anything attached to it as though they don't exist until its controller's next turn.)
"I was never here."

[sand island]

Probably wouldn't run it here, but I run it in a voltron deck

[broken tulip]

Bumblebutt in this instance is practically a voltron deck

[sly torrent]

Agreed. She is voltron through counters

All the games I've won with her are through commander damage

[sand island]

She can be, yeah

[steep salmon]

I went with a bit more of a poison/prolif package. Most of my wins are via that 😛
https://moxfield.com/decks/5Ep5Ek7Fo0OJiJ1rGMwfBg

Ouroboroid has also won a game or two.

[sly torrent]

As if bumbles needed more heat lol

[sly torrent]

So what would you see as cuts in my deck?

[broken tulip]

Arwen? You're pretty much only putting counters on bumblebutt

Slightly similarly warden of the grove

Warden's pretty good by itself though

Spike weaver's a neat fog, not super sure if you should care though, but turning it repatable is cool with bumble

Spore frog though, less exciting, but if you insist on that then moment's peace is two fogs and instant speed

[pastel agate]

Depends on the build of bumble

I had a counters deck that put them on everything but her as a method of protecting her

She’s not the thing that’s gonna kill you, but she’s definitely the long term problem

[broken tulip]

Removing bumble is always the lynchpin. You can say depends, but looking at this list it does not appear to be that case

[sly torrent]

Warden goes ham with Whitemane Lion as well

[pastel agate]

I meant generally

But yeah

[broken tulip]

You're certainly not going wide, no token makers to work with arwen

[pastel agate]

A lot of them tend to be voltron-y

[pastel agate]

Nah, just going medium

Mostly playing cheaper nontoken creatures

[sly torrent]

I feel like fogs win games in B3

[pastel agate]

But they all get huge because there’s like a hundred effects similar to arwen nowadays

It feels like

[broken tulip]

Ive seen lists run exemplar of light, i was running hexdrinker

[sly torrent]

I also think there's a huge psychological element to having fogs as permanents. You will deflect attacks just by it sitting there and you don't even have to use it.

[pastel agate]

Usually my play group will incessantly attack me until I get rid of the fog frog

(The correct move)

[broken tulip]

Or the legion duelist guy. More specifically, you don't really have dedicated other creatures for wielding +1 counters

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/F-CasGtbQ0uBZmC6JN7e6w

This was my old bumble list

She didn’t put counters on herself basically ever

[broken tulip]

I won't disagree that fogs win games, but I do disagree on assuming spore frog does extra duty cause players are just bad and won't force it out of you

I don't want to run cards that are only good when my opponents are bad, though like I said, I do like the combat lock of putting counters consistently on spike weaver

[broken tulip]

Sure, but your current decklist isn't that. So no need for arwen

[pastel agate]

Oh that’s what we’re arguing

I’m dumb

[broken tulip]

Rather see a dusk legion duelist or exemplar of light

[pastel agate]

Yeah warden and maester are better

I just, like, didn’t read

[broken tulip]

At least you draw a card if you put a counter down

You were asking what to cut, and I'm pointing out that these cards aren't befit for your current strategy. Not that they aren't strictly playable

Wardens a bit of a tougher one, cause I see it's fine but maybe just not inline with the whole vision of the deck. Of making bumblebutt's butt as huge as possible

[pastel agate]

Oh also idk if someone mentioned it but the pinned messages in this thread have decklists

[broken tulip]

No one mentioned, I'll go browse those

Also for go tall, I loved gemrazer and sawtusk demolisher

[pastel agate]

Oh yeah, for the trample and removal

Not a bad idea

[broken tulip]

I sometimes found difficulty with flying chumpers, and that trample was key

[pastel agate]

I have a friend that uses mutate in his kotis deck

Goes hard

[sly torrent]

Yea, she's really good in dedicated counters decks. I'm on the fence with her in bumbles since I mostly put counters on bumbles, although it can be nice when other creatures entering are a little beefier than normal

[pastel agate]

Yeah best one yet is maester

By a large margin

[sly torrent]

While the correct move, I don't see that often happen. At least so far. I think they then fear being left open to counter attack after not doing anything on their attack. Each person doesn't want to be the one that wastes their attack.

[sly torrent]

In my experience players are just bad, and they don't force it out of you. Maybe you play against better players than me haha.

[pastel agate]

… I think my playgroup hated my bumble deck then

They’ll team up on me until fog frog is gone lol

Jokes in them I run evo witness

[broken tulip]

No, they are also on average bad. But I gotta be ready when the good ones come out of the wood work

[pastel agate]

Bnuuy pod when

[broken tulip]

People need to learn how to harness the power of friendship

[sly torrent]

I play in a late night bar pod. When you add drinking to the mix, no one is playing optimally

[broken tulip]

I only know how to drink optimally

[sly torrent]

So you think I should remove Arwen and Warden for mom and step mom?

[sand island]

Alcohol is humanity's best friend. And you wouldn't abandon a friend, would you?

[sly torrent]

Never!

[sly torrent]

I think I still like Communal Brewing for this effect though. 4 counters and harder to remove as an enchantment is pretty great

[broken tulip]

Who knows, you make your picks

[sly torrent]

especially if you get it down before bumbles on curve. Then the table is gonna get stomped

[pastel agate]

Yes

I want mom and stepmom in mine but I’m still not sure of cuts

Could do skrelv for proliferate shenanigans

[broken tulip]

I came here for help, not to dish out help!

[sly torrent]

I mean, you gave sound logic for cutting them in my deck

And the runes are insanely good cards

protection and evasion all in one

[sly torrent]

I already give some of my friends shit for their poison decks. If I start one shotting them for 10 toxic I'm gonna catch flak lol

[pastel agate]

It won’t one shot them

[[skrelv defector mite]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/33/skrelv-defector-mite

Skrelv, Defector Mite <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Mite
Toxic 1 (Players dealt combat damage by this creature also get a poison counter.)
Skrelv can't block.
, : Choose a color. Another target creature you control gains toxic 1 and hexproof from that color until end of turn. It can't be blocked by creatures of that color this turn. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
1/1

[pastel agate]

gives toxic 1, you give them a single poison counter (while skrelv doubles as a mom effect) and proliferate it while you deal with other players

It’s evasion, protection, and a win con wrapped into one

Whereas step/mom are just two of those

[sly torrent]

oh nm it's not toxic X. that'd be busted

[pastel agate]

Yeah lol

[sly torrent]

alright, cutting arwen and warden for the moms

Even though they are such good cards, I've been questioning their inclusion after playing several games and realizing more and more how much the plan is just to give counters to bumbles vs. spreading out

[broken tulip]

There's a bunch of other questions here, how many other ways do you have to put counters on things to begin with

Do you want more alternative targets like light exemplar and dusk legion duelist, if not instead of targets you put in more protection to keep your only target

I really like hunter's talent and innkeeper's talent

I thought collector's cage was super cool cause it was two spells stapled onto 1

Likewise contest of claws

So much fun

[sly torrent]

casting a lot of spells has been my primary way to add counters. Bumbles enables herself plenty in my experience

Other than mana dorks that only need a single counter to be enabled, my only non-bumbles targets are Pup, Ouro, and Danny. Pup and ouro spread the counters anyway and Danny gives so much draw that it's worth it

[pastel agate]

Danny is so good

Ouroboroid is good the same way maester seymour is

[sly torrent]

so I think it makes sense to have more protection effects vs. other counters targets or things that aren't even going to give counters to BUmbles

[pastel agate]

Pup is… insane

[sly torrent]

oh yea

[broken tulip]

See I was having problems with the math. Her damage goes (assuming no haste) 3 - > 5 - > 7 - > 9. It takes 4 turns to kill one person, followed by 2 turns to kill the other two

At least, I found it a little difficult to be double spelling on other people's turns consistently to get all the counters, and was trying to supplement it

[sly torrent]

Unless you are casting on other turns or have a means to cast multiple at once like whitemane

but yea, it's not like you are one shotting three people in a row

that's why I figured I'd run a lot of interaction to keep me in the game long enough to smash

[pastel agate]

Yeah, you play and protect her

[sly torrent]

whether it's through protection or clearing a path

[pastel agate]

you’re removing your opponents key pieces, wiping their boards, and protecting your bunny

All the while she’s getting bigger

Plus, I tend to end up having one big storm turn that I go from like 10->21 damage in one go, then kill the person I fed all the cards to

Ideally while they’re tapped out

Otherwise just protect her

[broken tulip]

I certainly hated giving cards to people (ironic considering its the grouphug deck)

Every card was another step to a dead bumblebutt

[steep salmon]

[[Psychic Possesion]] is tons of fun for that problem

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dis/30/psychic-possession

Psychic Possession <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant opponent
Skip your draw step.
Whenever enchanted opponent draws a card, you may draw a card.
"You will do the thinking for the both of us!"

[steep salmon]

Pick your friendliest/easiest opponent and fuel them

[pastel agate]

Yeah, I’m not usually too concerned with feeding players

[broken tulip]

I'm also a big complainer, i did enjoy playing aspects of it

[pastel agate]

I’m getting way more out of it than they are

[sly torrent]

Yea I've def caught some players off guard doing this

[broken tulip]

She is cute and funny as they say

[sand island]

That decision point is also part of what makes bumbleflower so fun

[pastel agate]

I highly recommend running a lot of cards that benefit from you feeding players cards

[sly torrent]

I kind of like the game play of letting everyone have the chance to do something, but you just have to do it faster or be more reactive

[broken tulip]

There's like only one I'd ever play, faerie mastermind

[pastel agate]

[[faerie mastermind]], [[mangara the diplomat]], [[tataru taru]], [[heliod|ONE]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/58/faerie-mastermind

Faerie Mastermind <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flash
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw a card.
: Each player draws a card.
Yuta Takahashi, World Champion XXVII
2/1

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/124/mangara-the-diplomat

Mangara, the Diplomat <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Lifelink
Whenever an opponent attacks with creatures, if two or more of those creatures are attacking you and/or planeswalkers you control, draw a card.
Whenever an opponent casts their second spell each turn, draw a card.
2/4

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/30/tataru-taru

Tataru Taru <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Advisor
When Tataru Taru enters, you draw a card and target opponent may draw a card.
Scions' Secretary — Whenever an opponent draws a card, if it isn't that player's turn, create a tapped Treasure token. This ability triggers only once each turn.
0/3

No card found named “heliod” in Phyrexia: All Will Be One

[pastel agate]

[[heliod|MOM]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/17/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-heliod-the-warped-eclipse

Heliod, the Radiant Dawn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
: Transform Heliod. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4

Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6

[sand island]

Damn, Umaru beat me to it

[pastel agate]

Yeah

[steep salmon]

[[Consecrated Sphynx]] too 😛

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/43/consecrated-sphinx

Consecrated Sphinx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
A curse is just another name for an unwanted blessing.
4/6

[sand island]

[sly torrent]

Agreed. You have to make so many small, tactical decisions with Bumbles. I like the strategy of it.

[pastel agate]

Oh, another one - [[freestrider lookout]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

[broken tulip]

I won't touch mangara with a 10 ft pole
Tarutaru's okay.
I have nighmares about consphinx

[pastel agate]

Man if I wanted to pay for nitro I’d be using so much umaru branded stuff

[sly torrent]

I recently cut Mangara. He triggers way less reliably than all the others

[pastel agate]

Mangara is good

But yeah, like one-eyed said

[sand island]

I don't know why I have like 50 umarumotes

[pastel agate]

Kinda outclassed rn

[pastel agate]

She’s got good reaction emotes and gifs so random anime servers tend to just have them

[sand island]

Join the forced fruition club

[sly torrent]

[[terrasymbiosis]] was an obvious include over mangara

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/210/terrasymbiosis

Terrasymbiosis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more +1/+1 counters on a creature you control, you may draw that many cards. Do this only once each turn.
For Eumidians, terraforming and evolution are one and the same. They grow as their planet grows, in lockstep coexistence.

[steep salmon]

If I ever play forced fruition I am going strictly for a Copy Enchantment strategy

[pastel agate]

Hm, true

[pastel agate]

Bumbleflower enchantress?

[sly torrent]

I don't run any game changers in my list, otherwise this would be ham

[pastel agate]

👀

She’s technically an [[enchantress’s presence]] in the cz

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/893/enchantresss-presence

Enchantress's Presence <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, draw a card.
"The wise learn from successes as well as mistakes."

[sand island]

You [[fractured identity]] it, then win through Jace/Labman

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/37/fractured-identity

Fractured Identity <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile target nonland permanent. Each player other than its controller creates a token that's a copy of it.
Self-reflection is not without its perils.

[broken tulip]

No tutors, no gc club 🤝

One day I aspire to play a deck without needing to pick it up once I've put it down, but I love 3c decks too much and hate bad mana too much to not play fetches

[sand island]

I love bad mana

[sly torrent]

Just get really good at mash shuffling quickly

Double sleeves help

[broken tulip]

Oh no, I'm great at shuffling

[sly torrent]

But I get what you mean

[broken tulip]

I triple sleeve everything

[sly torrent]

it can get annoying

lol

chonk deck

[broken tulip]

My bumblebutt deck is in toploaders

It goes clickity clack

[steep salmon]

I single-sleeve my p9 and bridge shuffle them.

[sly torrent]

I hate getting color screwed. I can't build a deck without a like $200 mana base or I hate playing

I only run 3 basics in my 3 color decks. Max greed

[broken tulip]

Yeah me too

[pastel agate]

You guys play with sleeves?

[sly torrent]

I'd rather just lose to the Blood Moon I'll see once ever 3 years than get color screwed

[sand island]

I bridge shuffle

[sly torrent]

I do really want to build a cheap ass deck to play unsleeved. Ultimate flex while playing at a bar.

[pastel agate]

Bar decks slap

[steep salmon]

Best deck boxes by far

[pastel agate]

Bar cube also slaps

[sly torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efpPygoqb9M

I love that video

It inspired me to build Gonti myself

[sand island]

cards are just cardboard coasters

[sly torrent]

Although I def sleeve it cause it's like $800

Of course Gonti has now just been power crept. Sad times

[pastel agate]

Get spider man’d

[sly torrent]

yep

https://moxfield.com/decks/yTWH-tNum0yBKNmcpkN7Dg

[sand island]

Oh hey, I'm making a [[gonti, night minister]] deck

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/87/gonti-night-minister

Gonti, Night Minister <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Aetherborn Rogue
Whenever a player casts a spell they don't own, that player creates a Treasure token.
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to one of your opponents, its controller looks at the top card of that opponent's library and exiles it face down. They may play that card for as long as it remains exiled. Mana of any type can be spent to cast a spell this way.
3/4

[sly torrent]

https://moxfield.com/decks/eAOUM5Lua0WnVvKNSj80Lg

New gonti is fun

One game I got out Roaming Throne and stole 18 cards per turn

[sand island]

That art is one of the primary reasons I like him so much

[sly torrent]

It can really flop though if someone else at the table is playing a realy go wide deck

Deck theft is fun. It's a good way to scale to the table imo

[pastel agate]

That’s why you got shadow creatures

[sly torrent]

Indeed I do

[pastel agate]

We need more Dauthi voidwalkers fr

Gimme cheap shadow creatures that lightly stax

[sand island]

I've been reminded that I need to put a [[doomsday excrutiator]] in it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/94/doomsday-excruciator

Doomsday Excruciator <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Demon
Flying
When this creature enters, if it was cast, each player exiles all but the bottom six cards of their library face down.
At the beginning of your upkeep, draw a card.
"All stars grow dark. All worlds come to an end."
6/6

[sly torrent]

lol

that would be a really funny way to win

[sand island]

Especially if your evasive little dinguses steal cards from decks

[sly torrent]

exactly

[sand island]

Great video so far. My friend went to a music festival, and there was a take-one leave-one magic card table lmao. He swapped one out, and now that card has a story to it every time it gets played.

[sly torrent]

I love the Rhystic Studies channel. Sam is such a great story teller.

[sand island]

The cards were the friends we made along the way

[pastel agate]

That’s genius actually

Especially if the people in your area are cool

[sand island]

The were bulk rares basically, but still really cool

[pastel agate]

But like it’d be cool if someone who was more well off dropped off, like, a fetchland or something

But people might abuse that, blech

[sand island]

"Take one" means nothing to some people smh

[pastel agate]

Well, I just mean I could perfectly picture someone buying a bulk rare at the counter to swap out the fetch when they don’t need it

[broken tulip]

Toploader edh, alcoholism for scale

[pastel agate]

Dang

[tall blaze]

I love new gonti

I had a lair I put together but I might just throw it in my breena list

[sly torrent]

So silly

[broken tulip]

Yeah alcoholism is a silly joke

[sly torrent]

Nah, that’s a sad joke. Especially off of coors. The contrast between OG duals and such cheap beer is jarring.

[broken tulip]

It was supposed to be a low cmc deck, nothing over 3. With the contrast of having the biggest sleeves

[broken tulip]

I ran out of good alcohol, all I had left were seltzers 🙁

It's orange slush flavor, it really does taste like just the ice at the bottom of the barrel. Sucks

[sly torrent]

Where do you even play that deck? Seems very cumbersome.

Reminds me of the video of the guy that I think put 7 sleeves on his deck before going to a tournament

[broken tulip]

At the local game store? Where else. I have gotten good at shuffling it

But it's time to retire it, turn it into a b4 foodchain/aluren pile

[sly torrent]

ew

I used to have a Yarok aluren deck. It got old after doing the thing like twice

I get bored of combo so quickly

Aluren is silly though

[broken tulip]

That's combos for you, but I want a combo that is relevant to the commander

[sly torrent]

It is funny the first time you get it out and the table is like sick, I'm gonna do cool things, and you're just like, nahh you're dead

[broken tulip]

And infinite casting with both of those to deck people out is a little unique. Not a lot unique

[sly torrent]

I mean, you could do that with cloud of fairies an shrieking drake

lots of ways to infinite cast in simic

infinite mana or casting in simic is like baby's first combo lol

It is kidna funny making other people draw out with it though

[broken tulip]

I'm not seeing it

[sly torrent]

My Yarok deck would win by infinite Gonti casts

So I'd exile their whole deck

[broken tulip]

Oh, you need a yarok in the mix. Very different

[sly torrent]

yea, sorry

[broken tulip]

That's so much more mana than the bun

When the pay off is in your command zone as well, it's kinda gas

But any infinite anythings goes off with a ham sandwich, so it'll probably look unimpressive. I'll play it once or twice

[tall blaze]

Thinking of throwing Tidus into bumbles

It's card draw and proliferate!

[tall blaze]

But making a pure +1/+1 counters deck in green has shown me that green is so good at that, why bother with anything else

[broken tulip]

There are very few ways to consistently put multiple +1 counters on things in one cycle

The best ones I've found are attached to landfall, what else have you found

[tall blaze]

There are so many! [[Innkeeper's Talent]] is a favourite of mine

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/180/innkeepers-talent

Innkeeper's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.

[tall blaze]

There are several creatures which do it at start of combat

[[seymour]]

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “seymour”, can you be more specific?

[broken tulip]

Talent is solid for sure. I'm fond of ozolith shattered spire. In bumble specifically collector's cage is sick. You get to put +1 counters and if you play it right you get two casts for 3 mana

[tall blaze]

I think I've only once ever used the ozolith shattered spire activated ability

[[ouroboroid]] is amazing

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/201/ouroboroid

Ouroboroid <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Plant Wurm
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put X +1/+1 counters on each creature you control, where X is this creature's power.
"I've found a strange vine in the ice. Thawing for further analysis." —Meltstrider log, final entry
1/3

[sly torrent]

I run Tidus in my list. Counters and draw is pretty nice.

[tall blaze]

What do we think of [[lyla, holographic]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/spe/7/lyla-holographic-assistant

Lyla, Holographic Assistant <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Illusion Advisor
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
"I'm a 22nd century Lyrate Life-form Approximation. I already know what you need before you do."
2/2

[tall blaze]

It's a fully cooked [[wizard class]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/81/wizard-class

Wizard Class <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
You have no maximum hand size.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, draw two cards.
: Level 3
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.

[tall blaze]

But annoyingly at that 4 mana point

Combos hard with [[danny pink]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/39/danny-pink

Danny Pink <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Advisor
Mentor (Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature with lesser power.)
Creatures you control have "Whenever one or more counters are put on this creature for the first time each turn, draw a card."
"I don't want to see more things. I want to see the things in front of me more clearly."
4/3

[sly torrent]

yea, 4 mana is a really competative spot in my list

[pastel agate]

Gamers

Bumblers

Countrybunnies

[sand island]

Yeah it's so good

[pastel agate]

I’m wondering if I should run less funni creatures in favor of more cheap ramp

Like, Selvala is great and all

But do I need it? Or any of the other ones really?

[sand island]

Probably not!

[tall blaze]

Selvala is win more

If you already have a huge creature it gives you mana

I've been thinking of cutting it

[pastel agate]

Yeah, I’ve been thinking that way for a bit now

I’d lean towards cutting it tbh

[tall blaze]

I'm desperate for cute tbh

I got that new card

[pastel agate]

Oh! Did y’all see the heat I got for bumble?

[tall blaze]

Cosmowhatever

No

I cut dreamtide whale today for a land

Need to find a slot for cosmogrand zenith

Seems like a perfect bumble card

[sly torrent]

I like the mana dorks that tap for 3 if they have a single counter on them.

[pastel agate]

Cosmogrand zenith?

[sly torrent]

Very easy to activate

[tall blaze]

Incubation Druid

[pastel agate]

Incubation druid is good because it serves as 2 mana ramp anyway

[tall blaze]

I was thinking of it

[sand island]

I haven't played my gimmick deck yet, but I'm still not super happy with it

[tall blaze]

But I just love my land ramp

[pastel agate]

The ones not in penny sleeves I got for bumble

[pastel agate]

That’s a hot take but not unheard of

[tall blaze]

Isn't that Sol ring like crazy expensive

[sly torrent]

[[Kami of Whispered Hopes]] of course cause duh

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/196/kami-of-whispered-hopes

Kami of Whispered Hopes <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Spirit
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a permanent you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that permanent instead.
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is this creature's power.
Nashi knelt reverently before the kami and envisioned his family reunited.
1/1

[pastel agate]

Yep! Market price is $800

[sand island]

I'll cut off my left hand before I cut dreamtide

[pastel agate]

I traded for it

[tall blaze]

Dreamtide doesn't feel as good without planeswalkers

[pastel agate]

Yeah you definitely need orher stuff regularly to proliferate

Like getting counters to make bumble more lethal is great

[tall blaze]

It's just so hard to find cuts

[pastel agate]

Tbh my cuts nowadays are only due to philosophy changes

Like, big mana from selvala just isn’t necessary

[sly torrent]

It's especially difficult when you try to keep total cmc as low as possible

[pastel agate]

The deck plays very lean

[sand island]

I'm thinking about putting selvala in

[pastel agate]

It’s good the lower power you get

[sand island]

For mana for folio

Maybe I'll do the other selvala though

[pastel agate]

I still have [[innkeeper’s talent]] in. Thoughts?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/180/innkeepers-talent

Innkeeper's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.

[tall blaze]

It's an mvp for me

Counter every turn is huge. Ward is huge.

2 mana for counter every turn is already very playable

[pastel agate]

I was thinking about cutting it to simplify the deck for more removal/draw/ramp, but it does speed the clock up a lot

[tall blaze]

Also it can be taken to the final mode as a finisher

Especially with your planeswalkers!

Ulting a planeswalker immediately is big

The whale seems to not do as much for me

I've been having dangerous thoughts like removing ozolith shattered spire

I already cut a couple of the other counter +1 cards

Shattered spire is more often than not just a 2 mana hardened scales

[pastel agate]

Dangerous thoughts

Might consult a therapist ngl

I like ozolith but i see what you mean

[tall blaze]

https://moxfield.com/decks/nvSViNtTAkG7tTINoNll-Q

What would you cut

[pastel agate]

Especially when it’s not as important to get a counter to get strted

Hardened scales is just kinda better

[tall blaze]

And what should I add

At this point I feel like every single card is vital

200 card deck pls

[pastel agate]

I’m not a fan of dusk legion duelist Ngl

Why waste time putting counters on something other than bumble

[tall blaze]

For me it's an mvp, draws so many cards

[sand island]

because addicted to card draw

[tall blaze]

[[generous pup]] !

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/j25/4/generous-pup

Generous Pup <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Dog
Vigilance
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control. This ability triggers only once each turn.
They communicate via the universal language of treats.
2/2

[tall blaze]

But also I don't make bumble big unless I'm against a lifegain player

[pastel agate]

That barely counts, it still puts a counter on bumble

[tall blaze]

People won't remove her

If she's smol

[pastel agate]

Ah see i changed mine back to voltron control

[tall blaze]

But if she's a 21 power flier you bet she's getting exiled

I have Voltron as a backup strategy

[pastel agate]

I just run more Counterspells and stuff

[tall blaze]

My main strategy is just counters and draw cards

[tall blaze]

Might swap my rift for fierce guardianship

[pastel agate]

Ngl though i just really like taking advantage of the card draw of stuff for like [[trouble in pairs]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/15/trouble-in-pairs

Trouble in Pairs <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If an opponent would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.
Whenever an opponent attacks you with two or more creatures, draws their second card each turn, or casts their second spell each turn, you draw a card.
Together, they're greater than the sum of their rap sheets.

[tall blaze]

I just feel like free counterspells are kinda dirty

[pastel agate]

They’re good!

[tall blaze]

They are

[sand island]

free counterspells are poopoo

[tall blaze]

But it's like, you're tapped out, that's a time people should feel safe

Blue player tapped out means you can do whatever

[tall blaze]

I love anything that triggers off others doing stuff

Cutting the whale was painful

[sand island]

What's the point of having resources if you don't need them to counterplay your oppo

[sly torrent]

I don't run this, but I'm usually double spelling most turns so I don't feel a huge need to get counters from things other than Bumble's ability

[pastel agate]

True

[tall blaze]

I rarely double spell outside my turn

[pastel agate]

Eh. I run them in bumble because she REALLY loves free stuff

[tall blaze]

But I'm trying to do it more since things like the twins exist

[sand island]

I mean, everyone loves free stuff

[pastel agate]

But all I’ve got is, like, subtlety

[tall blaze]

I could shift back to be a doublespell list

[pastel agate]

And only because I got a textured foil lol

[sand island]

I think when free spells are good, they are broken

[pastel agate]

[[mutagenic growth]] goated

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/149/mutagenic-growth

Mutagenic Growth <:managp:292901508964679680>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
"Sympathy is for weaklings. Whoever survives, wins." —Benzir, archdruid of Temple Might

[sand island]

And when they aren't good, they are just fun

Like if someone uses [[foil]] on me, power to you

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/55/foil

Foil <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
You may discard an Island card and another card rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Counter target spell.
Among wizards, poor timing is the most consistent mistake.

[tall blaze]

I haven't found a deck for theee yet

[sly torrent]

I think the twins are a waste of 2 slots that just give you a benefit you don't need becuase Bumbles already gives it to you. It's like the token doublers vs. enablers argument for other decks. I think Bumbles has so much pay off that you rarely need more, you just need ways to trigger the pay off

[pastel agate]

Bumble!

She loves all of those

Ngl I have a textured foil endurance I wanna find a spot for too

[pastel agate]

A way to make the second spell cheaper is huge, and casting one meaning the second one is guaranteed to show is insanely good

Why wouldn’t you run a second copy of your commander in the 99 that’s better than the commander herself at double spelling?

[sly torrent]

What card is better?

[pastel agate]

I play bumble over the twins because she has green, pushes damage well and it’s kind of part of my identity as a magic player now lol

[sly torrent]

If your total cmc is low enough, the cost reduction does very little

[pastel agate]

The twins

ramp is ramp ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Plus drawing 4 cards per double spell goes insaneo mode

What do we think about [[final word phantom]]?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/22/final-word-phantom

Final-Word Phantom <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Spirit Detective
Flash
Flying
During each opponent's end step, you may cast spells as though they had flash.
"Just one more thing . . ."
1/4

[pastel agate]

i love the card tbh

[sly torrent]

silly

i like it

[tall blaze]

I'd rather just run [[high fae trixter]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/40/high-fae-trickster

High Fae Trickster <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flash (You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant.)
Flying
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
To the High Fae, spells that take a human years to master come as easily as breathing.
4/2

[pastel agate]

Por que no los dos

[tall blaze]

I used to run it in my original vision for this deck

which was doublespell party town

all the flash enablers!

[sand island]

Flash makes my brain happy

[tall blaze]

[[alchemist's refuge]] is so great

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/318/alchemists-refuge

Alchemist's Refuge

Land
: Add .
, : You may cast spells this turn as though they had flash.
Persecuted alchemists fled deep into Kessig's wilds, seeking solitude to continue their ghoulish craft.

[tall blaze]

[[heliod the radiant dawn]] wins games if you can flip him

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/17/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-heliod-the-warped-eclipse

Heliod, the Radiant Dawn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
: Transform Heliod. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4

Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6

[tall blaze]

and of course, [[seedborn muse]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/268/seedborn-muse

Seedborn Muse <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Spirit
Untap all permanents you control during each other player's untap step.
"Her voice is the wilderness, savage and pure." —Kamahl, druid acolyte
2/4

[sand island]

I should grab a seedborn for my deck

Since it's kinda a meme deck

[tall blaze]

I would play heliod if it had green

[sly torrent]

don't forget [[bear umbra]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/113/bear-umbra

Bear Umbra <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 and has "Whenever this creature attacks, untap all lands you control."
Umbra armor (If enchanted creature would be destroyed, instead remove all damage from it and destroy this Aura.)

[tall blaze]

I could see myself cutting smothering tithe for seedborn muse

if I went the flash route

I might cut the great henge

I only have 28 creatures

I would need to add a bunch of mana dorks to make hengie worth it

It goes hard in my mono green counters deck though

Which is basically all the cards I wish I had slots for in bumbleflower

https://moxfield.com/decks/RMVD4y9Qu0a1RKuqpuittg

[pastel agate]

I love heliod

[tall blaze]

I should add gamechangers to my mono green deck

[pastel agate]

I’m thinking of adding flash back in

And seedborn would be cool

[tall blaze]

the huge amount of flurry support is making that seem better and better tbh

[sly torrent]

i just dont run seedborn because im not running any GCs, but that might be the best one in this deck imo

[tall blaze]

[[on the trail]] is currently pretty shit for me

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/39/on-the-trail

On the Trail <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
Where the victim's journey ends, the investigator's begins.

[tall blaze]

Like I'd benefit more from [[dryad of the ilysian]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/891/dryad-of-the-ilysian-grove

Dryad of the Ilysian Grove <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment Creature — Nymph Dryad
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Lands you control are every basic land type in addition to their other types.
"Vine-wreathed, he nurtures life among the dead." —Psemilla, Meletian poet
2/4

[sand island]

I honestly don't know how it could be

[pastel agate]

I like on the trail

[tall blaze]

I like it, it's just not that useful when double spelling mostly just on my turn

but if I go all flash

then it becomes good

[pastel agate]

It’s good when I’ve got a good setup drawing a lot of cards a turn

[sly torrent]

I guess you have to run a lot of instants or interaction

[pastel agate]

I’m thinking of saying screw it and pushing bumble into a b4 deck

[tall blaze]

trouble in pairs that bitch

[pastel agate]

So I can add sphinx and seedborn

[sly torrent]

I have 19 instants in mine

20 if you count whitemane lion

[tall blaze]

Proper b4 bumble would need a lot of combos

[pastel agate]

Nah, not necessarily

Just overwhelm on value harder than everyone else

Run a few tutors

I’m thinking of finding a spot for gsz

[tall blaze]

My current b4 deck is Chatterfang and it can present a turn 4 win pretty reliably

I can't imagine doing that with bumble

[pastel agate]

Hmm

[tall blaze]

Gsz is one of the worst options since it only gets green stuff

I recently added [[peerless recycling]] btw which I'm really enjoying

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/188/peerless-recycling

Peerless Recycling <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Gift a card (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they draw a card before its other effects.)
Return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand. If the gift was promised, instead return two target permanent cards from your graveyard to your hand.

[pastel agate]

Yeah, but 99% of the important creatures would be green

[pastel agate]

Yeah that and [[wear down]] go insane

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/203/wear-down

Wear Down <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Gift a card (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they draw a card before its other effects.)
Destroy target artifact or enchantment. If the gift was promised, instead destroy two target artifacts and/or enchantments.
The birdfolk guards flitted angrily. "Seriously, Timbles? Again?!"

[sly torrent]

Got another win with Bumbles last night. Although once again I got out Exploratino T1 and it only ever got me I think 1 or 2 extra land drops

I just don't feel like that card helps very much outside of a landfall deck with like 40+ lands

i might remove exploration and burgeoning for the twins

[pastel agate]

Not a bad idea

I like exploration and burgeoning because I have a L O T of draw in my deck

I think like 22 not counting bumble

[sly torrent]

Im at 17 draw sources

[tall blaze]

I feel like I never get as much goodness from them as I would like

Even with 20 things that draw cards

Same with on the trail

I'm thinking about disciple of freyalise

It's so good

@pastel agate I notice you run talismans

Why over eg Steve

Land ramp is good shit

[pastel agate]

Mostly because of [[teferi who slows the sunset]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/245/teferi-who-slows-the-sunset

Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
+1: Choose up to one target artifact, up to one target creature, and up to one target land. Untap the chosen permanents you control. Tap the chosen permanents you don't control. You gain 2 life.
−2: Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
−7: You get an emblem with "Untap all permanents you control during each opponent's untap step" and "You draw a card during each opponent's draw step."
Loyalty: 4

[pastel agate]

i wanted to get the most of his +2

[tall blaze]

Fair

I might just lean back into counters

[pastel agate]

Not to mention 2 mana untapped rocks are better for double spelling

[tall blaze]

It's so strong

[pastel agate]

They “refund” into the next spell by being used right away

[tall blaze]

I need to get a bristly bill

Such a good finisher

[pastel agate]

Yeah bristly bill would be really good

[tall blaze]

Btw terrasymbiosis is fucking good

As is ouroboroid

[pastel agate]

It’s basically 3 mana Danny pink

[tall blaze]

Ouroboroid just wins games alone if not answered in one turn cycle

Tempted to add sphere grid

Think I'm gonna cut selvala

[sly torrent]

sphere grid is great

[tall blaze]

Season of gathering is so good

[sly torrent]

reach is a big deal

[tall blaze]

Wins games

[tall blaze]

Trample is a big deal!

[sly torrent]

also that

[tall blaze]

Kami of whispered hopes might get cut

[sly torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/why-tho-though-gif-7485441

[sand island]

Kami is goated

[steep salmon]

What are our thoughts on [[Terrasymbiosis]]? I've been running it with some decent success, but curious about others thoughts.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/210/terrasymbiosis

Terrasymbiosis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more +1/+1 counters on a creature you control, you may draw that many cards. Do this only once each turn.
For Eumidians, terraforming and evolution are one and the same. They grow as their planet grows, in lockstep coexistence.

[pastel agate]

It’s evidently pretty good. @tall blaze was praising it quite a lot

[tall blaze]

I love it

[steep salmon]

I am pretty much in that camp as well. It is yielding 2+ cards per turn cycle with just bumbleflower and if I hit counter doublers it is drawing out of hand.

[pastel agate]

Are you commonly double spelling on other people’s turns?

[sly torrent]

It's been great in my deck. It's better phyrexian arena basically

[pastel agate]

Mine doesn’t currently but I’m considering shifting towards that

[steep salmon]

Yes, 19 instants + 2 ways to play spells as instant.

[sly torrent]

Flash enablers is the one thing I don't have any of that I'm wondering if I should somehow squeeze in

[steep salmon]

high Fae Trickster is awesome

Valley Floodcaller is quite good as well

[pastel agate]

I like’em

[pastel agate]

I should find a spot for it and final word phantom in my deck

[sly torrent]

I don't know wtf I would even cut to add them

ugh

[pastel agate]

Right lol

[sly torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/dammit-okay-gif-15194421

this is bullshit

I keep seeing everyone saying how busted Heloid is

https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA

[pastel agate]

Heliod is busted

He’s just a huge mana investment

[steep salmon]

Heliod and [[Maester Seymour]] are both nutty. Haven't squeezed Seymour in yet.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/68/maester-seymour

Maester Seymour <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Elf Cleric
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a number of +1/+1 counters equal to Maester Seymour's power on another target creature you control.
: Monstrosity X, where X is the number of counters among creatures you control. (If this creature isn't monstrous, put X +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.)
1/3

[pastel agate]

I need to as well

It’s so good

Maybe in replacement of [[proft’s eidetic memory]{?

shoot

[[proft eidetic]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/67/profts-eidetic-memory

Proft's Eidetic Memory <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
When Proft's Eidetic Memory enters, draw a card.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've drawn more than one card this turn, put X +1/+1 counters on target creature you control, where X is the number of cards you've drawn this turn minus one.

[sly torrent]

this looks very good

It's baby Ouro basically

I don't even know wtf I'd begin to cut anymore. Basically everything in the deck at this point has done something meaningful in a game

[steep salmon]

Oh [[Lyla, Holographic Assistant]] has potential too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/spe/7/lyla-holographic-assistant

Lyla, Holographic Assistant <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Illusion Advisor
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
"I'm a 22nd century Lyrate Life-form Approximation. I already know what you need before you do."
2/2

[tall blaze]

Both of them in play is horribly strong

I actually don't run Seymour or similar just because it's too counters heavy

My mono green counters deck has all of em though

actually maybe warden of the grove should be cut for Seymour

seymour is very good

[sand island]

https://tenor.com/view/seymour-steamed-hams-simpsons-superintendent-chalmers-principal-skinner-gif-11685593353529877218

[sly torrent]

This is my only counters deck

[tall blaze]

I need to balance the counters with the draw and ramp

these are my cuts

these adds

gonna cut urza's saga probably

[broken tulip]

Yall wanna talk about b4 bumblebutt?

The goal is aluren/food chain, deck people.

9 dorks, 4 abolisher creatures. Comboing with whiteman/shrieking drake/fleetfoot panther or misthollow griffin/eternal Scourge

I intend to play mld. What else do you expect out of this//draw engines I'm forgetting

[pastel agate]

There are a good few b4 bumblers here, might check the pinned messages

[crystal quest]

You probably want stifle effects or hexproof protection to get around the channel lands

[mossy onyx]

Can I put forth this previewed card for consideration?

Opinions on whether it could have a place with the Ms.

[broken tulip]

That doesn't seem to do anything

[sand island]

I think it blows

[mossy onyx]

Fair enough

[broken tulip]

Not all cards that have group hug qualities belong in the group hug deck

Otherwise you could just combine any pile of generic group hug cards and call it a day

[mossy onyx]

Okay

[broken tulip]

You'd have to sell me on, why is it important to buy back an instant sorcery artifact in bumblebutt. Why is it interesting in give target player 2 cards

And unfortunately I don't see the vision, but you might have something

[sly torrent]

In fact, I'd say most group hug cards are bad in Bumbleflower

Bumbleflower is unique because she's extremely targeted group hug. I think adding any additional effect that gives stuff away has to have huge upside.

Like [[communal brewing]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/29/communal-brewing

Communal Brewing <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, any number of target opponents each draw a card. Put an ingredient counter on this enchantment, then put an ingredient counter on it for each card drawn this way.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, that creature enters with X additional +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the number of ingredient counters on this enchantment.

[sand island]

It's kinda an expensive [[eternal witness]] with a downside

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/286/eternal-witness

Eternal Witness <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Shaman
When this creature enters, you may return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
She remembers every word spoken, from the hero's oath to the baby's cry.
2/1

[broken tulip]

That's what I was thinking. Maybe, in a non-green deck they might have more legs

[tall blaze]

Ok so I've often had like 30 cards in hand and 10+ mana and not been able to convert to a win

What do I need

[broken tulip]

Sounds like you need a way to win

Depends, where are your +1 counters going

Cause it sounds like not in a way that is aggressive

You could try to assemble a combo, green burn is fun

If you're actually chipping away at people, you can hurricane x squall line people to death (or apparently the big flex borrowing the east wind)

I like squall and hurricane cause they have this extra benefit of bumblebutt giving a creature flying so that they die to it

If it's a combo you want to draw into. Find anything that gives you infinite cast triggers so you can deck your opponents with bumblebutt

Up to you how efficient you want it to be. Aluren x shrieking drake/whitemane lion/fleetfoot panther/stonecloaker are pretty good

Or the more recognized food chain x misthollow griffin/eternal scourge

[tall blaze]

Thai particular game I somehow drew nothing that gives counters and my whole win con was dependent on the bumble

[broken tulip]

Well, can't account for outliers

[sly torrent]

sounds like you need to lower your total CMC so you can convert all those cards and mana into multiple counters per turn. You shouldn't need many additional dedicated counter support cards when Bumbles can create her own. Add in some extra evasion and Bumbles should be your win con easy

end game Im usually spamming 3-4 spells per turn to jack up the counters to lethal

If you have 30 cards and none of them are helping you win, I'd be asking myself why I'm playing those 30 cards at all

[sly torrent]

[[View from Above]] as well

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/con/38/view-from-above

View from Above <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains flying until end of turn. If you control a white permanent, return View from Above to its owner's hand.
"This air feels so heavy and thick. There are no winds to speak of. I fear the knowledge that comes from a place like this."

[sly torrent]

of course random number gods can also just screw you over some games

[tall blaze]

It somehow was like 0 creatures and bumble costed me 10 to play

[sly torrent]

ouch

Maybe add more protection pieces for bumbles?

I just recently added mother of runes and giver of runes

my protection suite: 1 Yavimaya Hollow
1 Giver of Runes
1 Mother of Runes
1 Dawn's Truce
1 Heroic Intervention
1 Ripples of Potential
1 Sejiri Shelter // Sejiri Glacier
1 Selfless Spirit
1 Inspiring Call
1 Kutzil, Malamet Exemplar
1 Bear Umbra

[broken tulip]

But for it actually be free, you'll need an omni to deck all your opponents

[sly torrent]

Sure, but it's good even without being free

[broken tulip]

Should add galadriel's dismissal and march of swirlies

[tall blaze]

Oh it was a heavy board wipe game tbh

[sly torrent]

I run that and whitemane without running aluren. 10 mana giving 5 counters is pretty nice

[tall blaze]

No protection except for phasing out would have saved her

[sly torrent]

sure

[broken tulip]

Shore, but what I'm encouraging is wincons

Phasing is the best

I've considered running robe of stars and haystack

[sly torrent]

they're still pretty solid ways to work towards winning without Aluren

Aluren really puts the deck into combo territory

which is fine if that's what you're going for

But then is it just an Aluren deck?

As mtggoldfish said in their video this week, that's basically an overshadow card

I'd considering that bracket 4 at that point. That's a super broken card.

[sand island]

[[aluren]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/165/aluren

Aluren <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Any player may cast creature spells with mana value 3 or less without paying their mana costs and as though they had flash.
Squee bounced up and down. "I sees a horsey, an' a piggy, an' a—" "If you don't shut up," hissed Mirri, "you'll see a kidney and a spleeny."

[broken tulip]

That it would be.

I was giving an example of a low resource combo that requires bumblebutt. As opposed to any u/g combo, like some sort of hulk pile

Combat by herself is flawed, it's really hard to punch 3 people out

[sly torrent]

I've not had any issues winning that way in bracket 3, but maybe that's just my pod

[broken tulip]

I'm not diminishing your experience, but her math is pretty bad

[sly torrent]

my deck is very low cmc, so I can grow her quickly and recover from wipes faster than the rest of the table usualy

but Im not playing in a T6 win pod

[broken tulip]

3->5->7->9 needs you swinging 4 times at one person

And then it's practically twice at the other two

[sand island]

That's assuming nothing else gives counters

[broken tulip]

Once you get into pump spells, the math gets not much better

[sly torrent]

and assuming you aren't casting more than 2 per turn cycle

I often cast more than 2 to pump her faster

but yea, it's def slower in the beginning

But if you're at a table of mostly other combat decks and you have such a huge blocker as well, what are others gonna do if they can't go wide?

[broken tulip]

With a hardened scales, 5->9->13 still practically demands you wail on one person 3 times

[sly torrent]

yea, sometimes you gotta knock one player out first if they are a spicy fast deck

[broken tulip]

I have issues with voltron in general

Just the style really