#Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

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sand island
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Yeah

pastel agate
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I assume you also run crescent moon

sand island
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It would be good, yeah

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but I don't wanna get one

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Thoughts on [[dusk legion duelist]] and [[fathom mage]]?

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pastel agate
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Only works with bumble out, and I’d rather run a howling mine in this deck’s case

sand island
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That's fair

pastel agate
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Or ways to punish drawing

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OH

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ALSO

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wait, no

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I was gonna suggest rule of law effects but uh

sand island
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those are symmetrical eh

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rip bumble activation

pastel agate
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Yeahhh

sly torrent
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sand island
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Yeah he's good

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Hmmm, do I still keep [[communal brewing]]? Probably

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sand island
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[[kwain]] is decent again

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sly torrent
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That card is awesome

sand island
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I love it, yeah

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Just wondering if I still want to keep it

sly torrent
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giving everything +4/+4 is really good

sand island
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It sure is

pastel agate
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They’re drawing/milling whether they like it or not

sand island
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Communal isn't a choice

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Oh you mean kwain

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Yeah, agreed

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Nonconsensual draw

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Is this an [[ivory tower]] time?

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pastel agate
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Hell yeah

sand island
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Does [[island sanctuary]] stop the multiple draws of howling mine and such?

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sand island
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Oh nvm, I think you can skip one

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I have the physical card and the wording is wonky

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I wonder if that's worthwhile

pastel agate
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Yeah skip one get the rest

pastel agate
sand island
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I also really want [[sandwurm convergence]] to fit in somehow

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sand island
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But 8 mana is cope

sly torrent
brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/7/winter-cynical-opportunist

Winter, Cynical Opportunist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Deathtouch
Whenever Winter attacks, mill three cards.
Delirium — At the beginning of your end step, you may exile any number of cards from your graveyard with four or more card types among them. If you do, put a permanent card from among them onto the battlefield with a finality counter on it.
2/5

sand island
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Yeah if you can cheat it out, might as well

sly torrent
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Got a win tonight where someone was playing the Parley Selvala, and I had out Smuggler’s Share and Trouble in Pairs. I drew so many cards. Must’ve gone through 2/3 of my deck.

sand island
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Yeah I think Selvala is going to go into my deck

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Since it's forced draw and ramp

sly torrent
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I've resisted adding stuff that lets everyone draw, especially repeatedly

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The only additional "hug" cards in my list are Communal Brewing and Loran

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And the few pieces of interaction with Gift

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But Communal is gross and is totally worth giving away the extra cards

sand island
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My deck is not like other girls

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Its aim is to draw out everyone.

sly torrent
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I've really enjoyed my high interaction list so far. I don't have any other decks with so many instants, so it's neat that it's both highly interactive but also fully commits to a board presence

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I was right to include lots of protection pieces. People start getting weary of Bumbles when she's 2 shotting players with commander damage

sand island
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That's the way

sly torrent
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She's been my most reliable commander damage deck other than [[adeline]]

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sly torrent
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But I also got a [[damning verdict]] off in that game where I kept all my stuff and everyone else lost their stuff. That card is so good in Bumbles.

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sly torrent
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Same with [[wave goodbye]]

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pastel agate
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I need to add wave goodbye to my deck tbh

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Any one sided board wipes are much appreciated

sly torrent
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Yea they are perfect in Bumbles. So many decks just don't have counters support at all so it's a slam dunk.

sand island
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[[spacetime anomaly]] might be okay in millflower

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clear aspen
pastel agate
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Yeah, turns out a cheaper copy of the best board wipe in bumble is also pretty good lol

sly torrent
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Yea, I run both

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Also [[curse of the swine]]

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sly torrent
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More mana but the exile is so strong. Such a color break.

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And just a funny card

sand island
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I don't know how much mill I'd want in my build

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Thinking just psychic corrosion, sphinx's tutelage, and maybe maddening cacophony

pastel agate
lost gazelle
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Thanks

pastel agate
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It's definitely nasty, judging from the stax pieces I'm seeing

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Make sure to check out the pinned messages in this thread - it's got all of our other decklists

pastel agate
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Yours included

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Oh! I'll ping the bumblers who are most active - @tall blaze @sand island @sly torrent @wintry pine

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I will say - for a wheels deck, I'm not seeing, like, any wheels

lost gazelle
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Replace coveted jewel with blue sun zenith

lost gazelle
pastel agate
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I'm seeing a good few hug pieces, yeah

sly torrent
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I don’t understand wheels decks haha. I’d also be skeptical at bringing stax to bracket 3 without clearing it with the table first.

lost gazelle
wintry pine
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@lost gazelle I also will have a look at your deck that evening 😊🤗
Everything is allowed in commander I would say as it’s being communicated with your pod 🙂

lost gazelle
wintry pine
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I’m always a solid bracket 3 kind of deck player but without infinites and stuff people might get annoyed by so I’m the wrong talking about stax anyway but as I always say people have different styles and so everyone can play anything they like 👀
If I play my landfall token deck I really love im usually the enemy of the table but that’s fine 🙂

wintry pine
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But overall the deck seems just fine do you play an infinite combo in there with the hullbreaker? 🙂

sly torrent
# lost gazelle Isn’t stax allowed in bracket 3?

Technically yes, but I have issues with a game strategy that effectively boils down to not allowing other people to play the game they sat down to play. If you remove player agency, are they even playing a game anymore?

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It’s something I’d at least clearly broadcast to the group before playing and be ready for at least one person to potentially not be interested in playing against it

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But of course that really depends on how much you lock out the table

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I just don’t personally think that all strategies that are cool in 1v1 magic where games take 10 min cleanly translate to a multiplayer game that can take 2 hours.

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Locking a player out in 1v1 might waste 10 min of their time, but in multiplayer you’re basically wasting 90 min of time. I think many feels bads in commander boil down to this type of time inequity and loss of player agency.

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If a player no longer feels like their decisions can impact a game, why would they still want to play it?

sand island
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You should throw a [[kataki, war's wage]] in there

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sand island
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Stax players are the good guys

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I personally didn't like any of the alt wincons. Your deck looks very similar to my original list.

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And looking at it now, there's basically no stax. Just Narset (which is basically nothing without wheels)

lost gazelle
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Smothering tithe, ghostly prison, rhystic study and propaganda

sand island
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I don't really consider staples as part of the deck's theme tbh

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Like, every deck in white or blue will run rhystic and smothering, and then any control oriented deck will run propaganda and ghostly prison

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Is it really part of your theme if it's played in every deck?

pastel agate
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I wouldn’t consider any of those card stax tbh

sly torrent
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They dont really prevent players from making decisions or taking game actions. They mostly just change the calculus of it.

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Although the better question is are they even necessary in Bumbleflower and are you just opening yourself up to more aggro by playing them than you actually get in advantage.

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I consider my deck bracket 3, but I don’t play any game changers. I don’t think they are super needed for Bumbles unless you’re playing to the limit of the bracket.

tall blaze
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Just noticed [[cosmogrand zenith]]

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tall blaze
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Seems really good

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Especially for flurryflower

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(Bumbleflurry?)

pastel agate
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I like flurryflower

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The alliteration is real nice

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But yes, flurryflower is a really interesting build

tall blaze
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My original was a flurryflower with cantrips and second draw per turn stuff

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[[homunculus horde]] etc

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tall blaze
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But there was a lot less flurry support back then

pastel agate
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For sure - and apparently we're getting quite a bit more too

wintry pine
lost gazelle
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Simic ascendency is also good in this deck

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[[simic ascendency]]

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sand island
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It is, but it's boooooring

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I don't even think it's that good tbh.

lost gazelle
lost gazelle
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But it’s fun

sand island
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I used to run them all, then removed them when I won with them,

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I'm only running lab man and jace now, since I really just want to draw 99 cards.

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(Although I've won with them both before, they are the most fun)

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I just like touching cards

pastel agate
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There's definitely a space for an alt win con bumble

sand island
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Yeah, it's really just control for the most part.

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I found something like Approach a little too easy to win with.

pastel agate
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Also true

sand island
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Twenty Toed Toad was also pretty easy lol. Especially with boots.

pastel agate
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You can't do that to the toad

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How are we going to know it has twenty toes then

sand island
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lol

pastel agate
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#freethegrippers

sand island
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send toad feet

pastel agate
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Beautiful out of context message

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sand island
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😅

pastel agate
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Actually, people would assume this is for the Gitrog Monster

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But I digress

sand island
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Send Thalia and Gitrog feet

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Hmmm. I like a lot of frogs in Magic.

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I need to get a [[pollywog prodigy]]

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sly torrent
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Got another win with Bumbles last night. She's so good

pastel agate
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Does it always feel like a struggle to y'all? I feel like if my opponents ran even one or two more pieces of removal the whole deck would fall apart lol

sand island
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My friend keeps removing my bumble the first turn it comes out, and it feels like it falls apart in that case, yeah.

sly torrent
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No. I run lots of protection effects

sand island
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But he was begging me to play bumble the other day, instead of my hatebear deck lol

sly torrent
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and low cmc make sit easy to generate counters

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I run 3 counter spells, 7 protection effects

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5 fogs

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20 removal effects. I am the bunny police

pastel agate
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Mine runs 19 but it tends to be more proactive

sand island
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My bumble deck is out of commission until I figure out my draw plan

sly torrent
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Cast 2 spells

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draw 2 cards

sand island
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It's not a flurry deck. It's a WIP draw the table out deck.

sly torrent
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oh ok

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Not that I have any other flurry support in my deck. I don't think she needs it

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why choose bumbleflower for a draw the table out deck though?

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The thing that makes her good/unique imo is that her group hug effect is targeted rather than hittting the entire table

sand island
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Why not bumble?

sly torrent
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What advantage does she bring to the strategy if you aren't trying to trigger the double spell and aren't looking to win with commander damage?

sand island
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She's a good blocker regardless, and I will still trigger the double spell

sly torrent
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true

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great protection indeed

sand island
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Targetted draw is quite good for psychic possession and wedding ring

sly torrent
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also true

sand island
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I just don't plan on winning through commander damage or counters

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More through stuff like [[iron maiden]] and [[dreamborn muse]]

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sand island
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I might even include foxglove back in for handsize matters stuff

sly torrent
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oh wait nm mill not discard

sand island
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Believe you me, if I could run [[sire of insanity]] in every deck, I would

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sly torrent
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That's how you lose friends to play with haha

sand island
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My friends are understanding

sly torrent
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I dont like effects that completley remove player agency. If players don't have choices they can make anymore, they aren't playing a game anymore.

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Then what's the point.

sand island
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I like the hellbent nature of sire

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Everyone is topdecking, including the caster

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If it was asymmetrical, it would be wayy more feelsbad

sly torrent
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I disagree. If it was asymmetrical it might end the game quickly

pastel agate
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People have told me to stop playing Kefka because of how quickly it stripped hands lol

sly torrent
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instead you are left with a drawn out nightmare of a game

sand island
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If the game ends, how will I be able to relish in the glory of my deck?

sly torrent
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I think restriction of player agency is the biggest contributor to feels bad moments in EDH

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That leads me to my second theory of feels bads in EDH. Number two is time asymmetry. If only one player takes up most of the game time, that's gonna make the rest of the table not happy.

sand island
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That's far worse imo

sly torrent
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Which is why Expropriate sucks

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Someone won our last game last night with Expropriate and it basically just sucked the wind out of the game. Everyone stopped paying attention by extra turn 2. So boring.

sand island
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Yep

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I do run 1 extra turn spell, actually. But it's ramp. [[Savor the Moment]]

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sly torrent
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sure

sand island
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Mono blue ramp leopoint

sly torrent
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silly mono blue ramp

wintry pine
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Hello bumblers 😮
I have finally converted my Bumble Deck into a Falco Deck and was wondering if anyone has some game enders for my list like: Herald of Secret Streams (currently down own) and also how good would a [[Abzan Falconer]] really be does this count as a finisher?
Also for my taste I'm very high on Instants and would like to cut a few but which ones are the worst 😮 ?

https://archidekt.com/decks/14568799/falco_you_can_count_on_me

Archidekt
Falco (you can count on me) • (Bant Commander deck) • Archidekt

Falco Spara, Pactweaver - Commander deck
+1/+1 Counters
(1) Commander • (5) Artifact • (29) Creature • (5) Enchantment • (17) Instant • (37) Land • (6) Sorcery

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sly torrent
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When casting a spell with Bumbles and [[Freestrider Lookout]] in play, do both abilities go on the stack at the same time and therefore you can choose the order?

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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

sand island
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Adding this here too [[bender's waterskin]] I like it

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pastel agate
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That and victory chimes certainly aren’t bad here so long as you can support it

sly torrent
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I run mostly mana dorks that can be easily buffed to tap for 3 mana

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I will likely bust out bumble at some LGS games on Saturday while visiting out of state.

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I’m usually a dedicated group player, so it should be interesting

sand island
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[[wavebreak hippocamp]] seems neat

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tall blaze
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I had so much fun with heliod in bumbleflower I'm thinking of building a full heliod deck

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But need more card draw

sand island
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Heliod is so cool

pastel agate
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Yeah heliod is a slam dunk in bumble

tall blaze
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I was gonna cut it but getting to just like cast ramp spells on other players turns is huge

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But the ramp bit is the really crazy bit

tall blaze
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Oooh I was thinking artifact storm heliod but now I think maybe flurry is the answer

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Or, artiflurry

sand island
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Tomer from MTG goldfish played it an episode, and did wheels into giant artifacts

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I.E. [[Portal to phyrexia]]

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pastel agate
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@trail charm @crude tapir

dragonfly - mind linking the deck?

Agoros - “targeted hug” means group hug effects that you choose who gets the benefit entirely. Stuff like [[selvala explorer returned]] is an example of non-targeted group hug since it gives benefit to everyone. [[communal brewing]] is targeted because you choose how many people, if any, get the benefit of a card

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pastel agate
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The Gifting mechanic is another example of targeted hug

crude tapir
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id have to find it, i made it like a while ago

trail charm
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Mmh I see

pastel agate
trail charm
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I'll have to look around and see what I wanna focus on then I guess :D

pastel agate
trail charm
crude tapir
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ive seen some more stronger / higher bracket bumbleflower lists and it can be very crazy, you be cantriping like crazy

trail charm
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I would love it to be in control who gets the benefits so that they

a) think twice about attacking me
b) know that if I get kicked out they will lose to the other players if they are behind
c) still know that they are on a timer because I'll roll over them if it goes on for too long

pastel agate
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Yeah that's a big thing about the targeted hug - if someone slights you not only are they not getting cards but you're giving cards to their opponents

trail charm
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Yeah

pastel agate
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They're doubly disadvantaged

trail charm
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It sounds really interesting

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But I want to have some threats, too - I dont want to play for 2nd :p

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That would probably be what I think would work the best for me

pastel agate
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Absolutely, bumble tends to become a huge threat on her own

trail charm
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I guess that's a pretty popular choice for her?

pastel agate
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Which choice?

trail charm
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Targeted hug

pastel agate
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Yes, but it's kind of a subset of what you'd find as "group hug" on edhrec

trail charm
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Ah I see

pastel agate
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Just gotta choose for yourself to exclude to overall hug cards

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Or find ones you can abuse best

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Lol, looks like the #1 tag for her is wheels

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I guess that checks out

crude tapir
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for me id put in those grouphug cards that affect everyone if i could take the most advantage out of it

trail charm
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What is wheels? Vehicles?

trail charm
crude tapir
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a wheel is a card/effect that makes one or more people discard their hand and draw that much cards usually

pastel agate
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No, stuff like [[Windfall]]

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pastel agate
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The term came from the card [[wheel of fortune]]

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crude tapir
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sometimes they affect everyone, sometimes its opt in sometimes its a shuffle hand into deck to draw 7 or amount put in etc

trail charm
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Oh

crude tapir
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windfall and wheel of fortunes are good examples :>

trail charm
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So you basically randomize hands all game long

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@pastel agate which playstyle did you build her yourself for?

pastel agate
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Control, mostly

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#1268557458767614043 message

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It's been brewing a long time, but I am to the point now where some lackluster cards are really starting to show through as cuts

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Might have some updates to it soonish!

trail charm
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I see

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That's a b4 deck?

pastel agate
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B3

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But it's definitely the stronger end of b3

trail charm
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Ooh neat

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What does it do?

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And when do you think you'll update the list?

pastel agate
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It starts the game early with a couple value/mana engines like [[kami of whispered hopes]] or [[faerie mastermind]], lands bumbleflower then builds her p/t up while keeping people from getting too far ahead. There's lots of ways to effectively wipe the board asymmetrically to rocket yourself ahead, and once you've got two or three engines going you start drawing like 6 or 7 cards a turn cycle

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pastel agate
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Then, typically, you pop off with a big turn of putting a ton of +1/+1 counters on her and swing big against people one by one with commander damage

trail charm
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p/t?

pastel agate
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Power/Toughness

trail charm
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Oh I see

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That does sound quite interesting, too

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But also sounds pretty aggressive :D

pastel agate
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It can be!

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Depends on how quickly you can get off the ground

trail charm
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So... it's less of a hug... and more of a hug-into-suplex :D

pastel agate
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For sure

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But imo that's how group hug should always be

trail charm
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Yeah that sounds fun

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That sounds like what I am looking for

pastel agate
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Fun tip - when you're trying to kill someone and they're tapped out, you can target them with all the card draw right before you kill them

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Nullifies all the draw you give away

trail charm
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Oh yeah that makes sense

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Do you think your upgrades that you are planning will push it to b4?

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Or will it still be b3?

pastel agate
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Nah I'm keeping it b3

trail charm
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Sir I would love to see which upgrades you are adding :D

pastel agate
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Game changers aren't really the thing I'm looking towards - mostly what I'm planning to do is find replacements for some cards that have consistently not been great when I've drawn them

trail charm
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And then I miiiigggghhhhht need to yoink the decklist

pastel agate
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As a forewarning, this deck might end up pretty expensive, but I can provide some replacements to get it ot a more reasonable level without sacrificing power

trail charm
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Ah I see

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Hm in that case it might be better to not yoink it :p I wanna keep it within reasonable price range

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Tho I dunno what qualifies as expensive and what as budget so there is that

pastel agate
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So, on my deck, here's a few things I've found to not be great:
Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset
Gluntch, the Bestower
Hakbal, the Surging Soul
Shabraz, the Skyshark
Innkeeper's Talent

pastel agate
trail charm
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Oh yeah I'll be cutting those dual lands :p

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I'll pull it once I am home

trail charm
pastel agate
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In terms of what

trail charm
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Is she one of the better precons?

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Compared to the average precon

pastel agate
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Oh, yeah her precon has some glaring issues in a couple cards but that’s an easy change

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Mostly the non-targeted hug is not my favorite

trail charm
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I feel that

pastel agate
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But then again there are some that I think work really really well like [[selvala explorer returned]], I know I used her as an example of something as non targeted hug but until she has a good replacement she’s a solid piece

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trail charm
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Btw how does she work if people decide to go against you early? Does she have defenses/interaction

pastel agate
trail charm
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I see

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So let them overcommit

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And then punish basically

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That's good to know; I don't wanna play a defenseless bunny early on

pastel agate
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For sure - and once you have reps in with bumble your play group will wise up to how good she is

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And will try to stop her early on

trail charm
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I mean... I am more afraid that they will try to stop me early just cuz it is group hug :p

pastel agate
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That too - people are weird about group hug generally

trail charm
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Because I can see that happening

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I mean I understand it, if you associate grouphug with "I just wanna be second" then yeah it makes sense

pastel agate
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I’ve been trying to reframe what makes good group hug and bad group hug, to try and shift that perspective on it

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Because bumble is good group hug - it requires smart decisions to not throw the game, but you absolutely are still pushing to be first

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And you’re benefitting far more from the hug than your opponents are

trail charm
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For me good group hug means giving em slight leads over each other, having them fight and then you kinda slap em

pastel agate
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Alternatively, it’s just about giving some to gain more

trail charm
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Yeah

pastel agate
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Bumble could’ve just said “when you cast a spell put a counter on a creature and it gains flying” but in this you also give away cards to fill back up on cards

trail charm
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I like being able to have the option for politics, too

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Adds another layer

pastel agate
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It’s a bonus for sure

trail charm
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With the strategic hugs

pastel agate
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And you gain a lot of favor when someone is missing land drops, for instance

trail charm
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Like, I enjoy my counter based deck

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But it mostly always aims for the same

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And I feel like having something to do outside of just the same gameplay loop is fun

pastel agate
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What’s your current counters list commander

trail charm
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[[Kilo]]

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Ah, yeah this will be pretty different I’d think

trail charm
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Yeah, it will be

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And I love the idea

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Also, slapping someone in the face with a huge flying bunny sounds fun

pastel agate
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It very much is

trail charm
pastel agate
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Like I said, there’s a lot of ways to cut cost

trail charm
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yeah

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tho i gotta say i just slapped the entire thing into the comparison without checking how many cards you keep from the precon

pastel agate
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A good few surprisingly!

trail charm
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do you think it is possible to change it similar to your version on a budget?

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or would i be better off to go for another option?

pastel agate
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You could for sure

trail charm
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mmh aight i'll try to look into it :D

pastel agate
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Gimme a while, when I get off work I can take a look and help with a budget version

trail charm
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oh i would absolutely love that!

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can you ping me when you are about to do it?

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or when you'd have time?

pastel agate
trail charm
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sweet :D thanks!

sly torrent
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I played bumbles at an out of state LGS this weekend. Almost got a win. Took basically everyone trying to stop me from bumbles just one shotting people. Someone tried to steal her and I had to swords her to stop it. At least i gained a ton of life from it haha.

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I got out generous pup and Danny pink out at the same time for the first time. That just goes super ham

sand island
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Hell yeah

pastel agate
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Fire

trail charm
pastel agate
trail charm
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Hm I see I see

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So then the plan would be to upgrade the base precon to a solid B3 with similar goals as yours - I like the idea behind how you described it

sly torrent
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Imo the precon is bad

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It's really high mana value. Not good at triggering her draw ability.

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And the group hug that it leans into is counter to the targeted hug style she promotes

sly torrent
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@trail charm here's my list. I went for a lot of control/interaction so that you can negate how much card draw you give away by removing the biggest threats. Also a fair bit of protection to keep Bumbles around since the entire game plan basically relies on her being out early and consistently. I've gone for very low total mana value so that I can double spell as often as possible to score myself additional draw, even on other people's turns. And lots of counters synergy to help her get huge and 1 shot people.

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Definitely a bracket 3 list even though it has no game changers by choice. I don't think she needs them.

steep salmon
pastel agate
pastel agate
trail charm
sly torrent
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High B3 for sure

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At least mid b3. Could be higher if game changers were added

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I run like 20 pieces of removal, 9 pieces of protection, 5 fogs. It's a highly interactive deck. Most decks in B3 I reckon do not run this level of interaction, so it can handle basically anything thrown at it

sand island
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low 7

trail charm
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sorry, i had to :D

sand island
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Nice

trail charm
sand island
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Control and protection, then bunny butt bumping them

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Basically the same as mine was

sly torrent
trail charm
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i see

sly torrent
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Remove obstacles and protect bumbles where necessary. draw lots of cards

trail charm
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me go face

sand island
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Mine's on the butcher's block getting reworked atm though

trail charm
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i like that plan

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ima need to have a look at the budget tho :D

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and how much the upgrades would cost

sly torrent
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My list is around $600

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Of course like $200 of that is lands, so that can easily be cut down

sand island
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I think my previous one was like $200

sly torrent
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Shadowspear and ozolith aren't necessary, that's an easy $75 you can cut

trail charm
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ah i see

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speaking of lands, are the 32 in the deck enough?

sand island
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No way

sly torrent
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lol no

sand island
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The precon has way more than that anyways

sly torrent
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32 lands aren't enough for any deck

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I run 37 lands

trail charm
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yeah but the decklist has 32?

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oh

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it shows 32 for me idk why

sly torrent
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5 are MDFCs

sand island
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I usually do 35-40 lands

sly torrent
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I'm starting to think even 35 lands isn't enough for most decks. I run 37-38 in almost all of my decks now

trail charm
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uh

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what does mdfc mean

sand island
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modal dual faced card

sly torrent
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double sided card

sand island
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something like [[sink into stupor]]

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/241/sink-into-stupor-soporific-springs

Sink into Stupor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return target spell or nonland permanent an opponent controls to its owner's hand.
The kami help travelers find profound relief, by freeing them from their mortal concerns.

Soporific Springs
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
manat: Add manau.
Desperate travelers journey from across Kamigawa, drawn by rumors of relief from all their troubles.

trail charm
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is it like lands that have one energy on one side

sand island
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You can play it as a land or as a spell

trail charm
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and another energy on the other side?

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aaah

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makes sense

sly torrent
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energy?

sand island
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Sounds like pokemon cards

sly torrent
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even 37 lands only gives you a 2/3 chance of having 4 lands by turn 4

sand island
sly torrent
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@trail charm have you actually played magic/commander before?

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Bumbles might be a difficult deck to pilot if you aren't very familiar with magic

sand island
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Bumble was one of my first, and it was fine tbh

trail charm
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i play since a month

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or a month and a half

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but i am not familiar with all terms

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neither am i really familiar with deck building yet :D

sly torrent
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She's a high skill deck because she presents lots of decisions every turn. There's a lot of strategy to who you let draw cards and what threats you remove

trail charm
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yeah that sounds like fun

sly torrent
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it is fun

trail charm
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i did play a couple of other tcgs before

sly torrent
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sure

trail charm
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but thats also the reason why i dont want to drop too much on a deck

sand island
trail charm
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but i would also like to upgrade it :D

sand island
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There are plenty of cheap upgrades you can do with it too, yeah

trail charm
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and not just slap the cards in but understand why they are in

sand island
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I really like [[duelist's heritage]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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Double strike bunny, or double strike an opponent's creature who is going somewhere else

trail charm
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yeah double strike bunny sounds like fun

sand island
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Probably the highest value per dollar amount is [[freestrider lookout]] at like pennies

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

sly torrent
trail charm
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oh i like crime

sand island
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Bunny is a criminal

trail charm
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[[peacekeeper]] also has a fun trigger with it

brave folioBOT
trail charm
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no wait

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[[patrolling peacemaker]]

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/5/patrolling-peacemaker

Patrolling Peacemaker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Robot Soldier
This creature enters with two +1/+1 counters on it.
Whenever an opponent commits a crime, proliferate. (They commit a crime if they target an opponent, anything an opponent controls, and/or cards in an opponent's graveyard. To proliferate, you choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
0/0

trail charm
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that's the name

sand island
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That is pretty good too, yeah

sly torrent
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I tend to prefer cards I have control over

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Since they can attempt to play around that

trail charm
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yeah

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just mentioned this card cuz i have it in another deck and it kinda went out of control

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a few times

steep salmon
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It's a fantastic counter against us 😛

pastel agate
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True, but it’s also real good in bumble

sand island
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It seems pretty good in any deck in white with counters tbh

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Just randomly prolif? Seems good.

pastel agate
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Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset
Gluntch, the Bestower
Hakbal, the Surging Soul
Shabraz, the Skyshark
Innkeeper's Talent

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Gamers I need replacements for these cards

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I'm thinking of adding another land or two

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I might add eiganjo just for the extra removal on a land

trail charm
brave folioBOT
sand island
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It's good for any deck in white

lost gazelle
trail charm
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Yeah am just asking cuz there is similar wipes to it in the deck

tall blaze
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Farewell is amazing but a lot of people don't like it because it hard resets the board and sets the caster behind

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Unless you run a lot of phase out shenanigans

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Or you play a flash enabler and cast it on the end step before your turn lmao

trail charm
tall blaze
brave folioBOT
trail charm
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I agree... :D

lost gazelle
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[[twenty toed toad]] is a good alt win con in this deck

brave folioBOT
lost gazelle
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I won tonight’s game with it

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And [[prosperity]]

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
lost gazelle
pastel agate
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I think a rampflower would be pretty fun

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Blue Sun's Zenith

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But yeah - casting two ramp spells replaces those ramp spells with more ramp spells

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Then unload into a big [[White Sun's Zenith]] or something

brave folioBOT
lost gazelle
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Oh yeah i didn’t use blue sun zenith but it would be nice to use with twenty toed toad too

sly torrent
pastel agate
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I don't just because it isn't nearly as applicable, but hey

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free removal is free removal

sly torrent
brave folioBOT
sly torrent
pastel agate
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Yeahhh

sly torrent
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and sometimes it's nice to be able to remove somethign without granting draw

pastel agate
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Oh, that's an even better point tbh

sly torrent
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yea, channel isn't casting

sand island
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I just farewell at instant speed

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The nuclear option

pastel agate
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Looks much more all in on the voltron idea

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I actually kinda like the idea of Icetill explorer in bumble

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Just kinda generally speaking, it hits both your land drops really consistently if you've got a fetch in the yard

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Noble hierarch is actually really funny

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Buffs bunny

boreal schooner
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the [[benton]] plus [[scrawling crawler]] is the one that's funniest to see happen

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Benton is real good

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I think @sand island runs it in his bumble

sand island
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Benton is my boy

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I need to finish my draw out deck

pastel agate
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How's that going btw

sand island
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It makes my head hurt. I need to pick up the cards we previously discussed

pastel agate
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I imagine it would lol

sand island
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I also really should've copied my decklist on archidekt

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Oops

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I have like 150 cards in my maybeboard, oops

boreal schooner
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But the pilot started with a group hug and he decided that he didn't like the politics.

pastel agate
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Yeah, a little hug goes a long way with her

sand island
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Oh I got a consecrated sphinx too

pastel agate
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Adding in more just gets annoying

boreal schooner
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So he transitioned it to "I'm going to make you draw cards and then I'm going to hit you hard"

pastel agate
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Based

sand island
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My current WIP list, though I need to cust some

sand island
brave folioBOT
sand island
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I know sleepy was running it for a while and liked it

pastel agate
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Wth is [[zimone's hypothesis

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[[zimone's hypothesis]]

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Goofy card

sand island
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It is lol

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I haven't played with [[tataru taru]] yet, but boy does it look like a bomb

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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IT absolutely is

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You get a treasure all the time anyway, but you can easily force them to draw with bumble

sly torrent
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I got out Tataru this weekend and someone stole it and then proceeded to make a shit load of treasures

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The bastard

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Those were my treasures

floral prairie
pastel agate
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For sure

trail charm
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Also, it gets around indestructible

sand island
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Farewell is a solution to all problems

pastel agate
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It’s really up to you on whether you include it, there are good replacements if you don’t wanna go that route

sand island
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Hmm do you guys have any other good forced card draw?

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Actually, I kmight through selvala in. both selvalas

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I need ways to generate a decent amount of mana for folio

pastel agate
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Like all 3 of them I think there are

sand island
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Yeah, I have all of them but [[font of mythos]] in there

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Awwww

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Font is cool

sand island
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A little spendy

pastel agate
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Oh

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[[$font of mythos]]

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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oof

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What is mythos’s font? I’d say like bold gothic

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I don’t think it’s quite a wingdings fan

sand island
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lol

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whatever it is, it's sans serif for sure

steep salmon
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The Mythos will be written in Comic Sans from now on.

hot breach
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Was it in the wacky font secret lair?

steep salmon
lost gazelle
brave folioBOT
lost gazelle
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[[prosperity]]

brave folioBOT
lost gazelle
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These are the cards i use in my deck

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The good thing about prosperity is you can choose x=0 to play it as 1 mana spell to combo bumbleflower

trail charm
trail charm
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Also, not sure about my manabase...

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And maybe a replacement/other option for [[esper sentinel]] cuz he is quite pricey... could free up some budget for manabase or something else

brave folioBOT
trail charm
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@pastel agate do you maybe have time to take a look at what i did? :) would greatly appreciate it!

pastel agate
trail charm
sand island
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Not a fan of narset or kwain, but the rest is fine

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What's the idea with [[view from above]]

brave folioBOT
trail charm
sand island
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It's a fairly valid card, since you get to repeat it.

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I would probably use it if I was using [[sand convergence]]

brave folioBOT
trail charm
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Or would you take a different route?

sand island
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Honestly, she doesn't need voltron specific cards. She gives herself power and evasion

trail charm
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Hm

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So no double strike or something?

sand island
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You could do that for her, yeah

trail charm
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Does she need dedicated wheels cards?

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Or are 3 enough?

sand island
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For what purpose really?

trail charm
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Ah wait, it doesnt work with twenty toed toad cuz I also wheel my hand, no?

trail charm
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i assume it's due to the block effect?

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i did some other changes, too - still not quite sure about dropping narset or not

trail charm
trail charm
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not sure if it may be a bit too slow

sly torrent
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It gives you unlimited casts. Something you can use on other turns as well. Same with [[whitemane lion]]

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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But this one gives flying, and not necessarily to just your creatures

tall blaze
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If you prefer a more combo or draw go bumble they're both great

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Especially if you can find a cost reducer

steep salmon
brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/49/eluge-the-shoreless-sea

Eluge, the Shoreless Sea <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Fish
Eluge's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Islands you control.
Whenever Eluge enters or attacks, put a flood counter on target land. It's an Island in addition to its other types for as long as it has a flood counter on it.
The first instant or sorcery spell you cast each turn costs manau (or mana1) less to cast for each land you control with a flood counter on it.
*/*

steep salmon
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Or I cannot read and it's only the first 😛

tall blaze
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Bumbleflower, Smothering Tithe and [[shrieking drake]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Only problem is letting them find answers

sleek wedge
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[[Grand Abolisher]] and [[Voice of Victory]] are useful. I include them in my High Power Bumbleflower to stop opponents from interfering with my plays.

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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[[Kutzil, Malamet Exemplar]] will draw you some cards as well

brave folioBOT
solemn hamlet
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Big fan of Kutzil

sand island
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The king has returned

lost gazelle
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Actually i should put them in my deck

tall blaze
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I haven't updated bumble since before aetherdrift

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Is there anything really good I'm missing

pastel agate
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Tarkir has some cool stuff and eoe has some flurry support

tall blaze
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Final fantasy had some stuff I guess. Sphere Grid looks great for counters

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Tromell, Seymour

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But they're all very counters heavy

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Mono green counters eating well

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But how much of it have you guys played and experienced being valuable vs theorycrafted

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Terrasymbiosis and Ouroboroid look broken as hell in a counters deck

pastel agate
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Tararu taru is a baby smothering tithe

tall blaze
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Wtf [[urthros jellyfish]] is alisaie without partner

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “urthros jellyfish”

tall blaze
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My big struggle right now is finding cuts

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[[uthros jellyfish]]

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “uthros jellyfish”

pastel agate
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Yep

tall blaze
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...I'm dumb

pastel agate
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[[uthros psionicist]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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[[uthros psionicist]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Yes that

pastel agate
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But yeah the leveilleur twins are also insanely good here

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My list is going through a bit of a lens shift but here’s where it’s at rn

tall blaze
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They seem amazing in theory but in practice I feel like they're a bit slow

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Wondering if I should drop [[on the trail]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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It's just so hard to find cuts for new cards

trail charm
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@pastel agate have you had a chance to look at my list? :)

sly torrent
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Tataru, sphere grid, and terasymbiosis have been great. I don’t run any second spell cost reducers because my total mana value isn’t high enough to justify it

sly torrent
sand island
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That seems so crazy to me lol

sly torrent
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I've had plenty of games where they did basically nothing

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And with 163 total cmc, the extra lands weren't really necessary. I ramp enough already.

tall blaze
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My struggle seems to almost always be on draw

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I would cut exploration but burgeoning is god tier

pastel agate
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There’s little to take issue with there

pastel agate
pastel agate
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My bumble loves exploration, burgeoning is like that but it draws 10x the heat

trail charm
sly torrent
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I had them both in the deck for awhile. Just had too many games where they came out and ramped only like 1 land. Didn't seem worth it compared to more card draw effects or protection

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I'm a fan of dorks in bumbles that are easy to activate to tap for 3 mana

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people seem to forget about them often and think I'm tapped out and can't interact

tall blaze
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I need moar draw

sly torrent
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1 Esper Sentinel
1 Faerie Mastermind
1 Herd Heirloom
1 Tataru Taru
1 View from Above
1 Whitemane Lion
1 Inspiring Call
1 Kutzil, Malamet Exemplar
1 Loran of the Third Path
1 Smuggler's Share
1 Terrasymbiosis
1 Tidus, Yuna's Guardian
1 Bident of Thassa
1 Danny Pink
1 Teferi's Ageless Insight
1 Toski, Bearer of Secrets
1 Trouble in Pairs

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those are all my draw enablers

tall blaze
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Problem with relying too much on bumble for draw is that she doesn't actually draw, she just replaces cards

sly torrent
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Also just lowering your total cmc so that you can double spell every turn will naturally increase your draw

tall blaze
sly torrent
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Replacement is fine when it can easily keep your hand full

tall blaze
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View from Above and whitemane I don't run just because they don't really do anything except allow doublespell

sly torrent
tall blaze
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But i guess its like, 2 mana draw 2 cards if bumble is out

sly torrent
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They are true draw because they are repeatable

sly torrent
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So you can hold up that swords to plowshares for someone attacking you, then for two extra mana draw 2 cards. they are really good

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not to mention they are a way to quickly pump Bumbles to lethal

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not to mention whitemane lion with [[warden of the grove]] out is basically a token factory

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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Also giving surprise flying to other people's stuff with view from above can make for some funny plays

tall blaze
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Fair

tall blaze
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But a fair point

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I just struggle to find cuts

sly torrent
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true, but then you have to give away the counters, which isn't always what you want to do

tall blaze
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How is Tidus performing? Feel like he's really strong and could just be a great commander to the deck instead

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But I can just put him in the 99 of bumble

pastel agate
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Tidus is fun, I didn’t end up adding him to my bumble because I switched it back to control

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Would be really good in a counters bumble

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But yeah, view from above is really good

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If you have a problem opponent that you need people to help you deal with you can give some of their creatures flying while still triggering bumble twice

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Or like if people are trying to get attack triggers, you might as well turn it into extra damage.

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Kinda turns it into a weird burn spell

sly torrent
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Tidus is draw and counters, so seems pretty good to me. My list is mostly control focused but lots of counters as well.

pastel agate
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Yeah, only counters related thing for me anymore is ozolith, the shattered spire

tall blaze
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I want to maybe go back to control so I can be police for the assholes who bring Jodah to a casual table and pretend it isn't broken as f

sly torrent
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I like having a lot of interaction in this deck

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It balances how much card draw you have to give away

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I have 20 pieces of removal in my list

pastel agate
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I’m at 19

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Might swap out ezuri’s predation for wave goodbye tbh

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Oh, I finally pulled of the goofy combo of damning verdict + bumble

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She had no counters but she gets one when you cast the board wipe

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Is very funny

sly torrent
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wave goodbye wins games

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it's usually just as effective at knocking at least one player out as damning verdict

tall blaze
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Bounce or sac is so good

sly torrent
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I'll prob play Bumbles tonight. I haven't played with my normal group for the past two weeks. Gotta let other people win sometimes.

tall blaze
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I'm heading to my lgs

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Time to bumble

pastel agate
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Good luck!

lost gazelle
brave folioBOT
lost gazelle
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Should i play more counterspells or boardwipes?

sly torrent
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I'd run [[wave goodbye]] and [[damning verdict]] over the board wipes you are already playing. Asymetrical is better than wiping everything

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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[[Glen Elendra Archmage]] is pretty busted as far as counter spells go in bumbles

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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34 lands is pretty low as well

sand island
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Posting this here for my deck [[walking archive]]

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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silly

sand island
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I'm a silly boy

tall blaze
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Bumble took a game which was nice

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Danny pink and Arwen go so nicely

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Budget great henge

sly torrent
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Arwen is always excellent

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Last week I got out Danny Pink with Generous Pup

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So many cards

pastel agate
pastel agate
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I have seen it played exclusively in “playing for second” group hug

sand island
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It seems similar to howling mine effects eh?

pastel agate
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Yeah, but turbo

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It’s good for, like, a deck-out bumble sure

sand island
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Ya. That's my plan afterall.

pastel agate
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But it’s basically asking yourself if you can protect from the best sequence of spells each player has every turn you’re not killing them

sand island
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Yeah, for sure

sly torrent
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Won with Bumbles in a three player game tonight. First time doing that. [[Bear Umbra]] is so good. Mine might be too much control for three players. I had so much interaction to hold up.

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I was playing in a pod where only one other person had removal. I ended the game with 9 cards left in deck thanks to [[Danny Pink]] and [[Dusk Legion Duelist]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I really need to put warden of the grove in to give me more bodies

sly torrent
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How are you planning to win if not bumble beat down? The pup is just such a slam dunk

trail charm
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Someone got a budget b3 bumbles list?

sly torrent
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No, but my list has only 5 cards above $10 outside of the mana base that you could easily swap out for like, but cheaper effects. And you can easily swap for a cheaper mana base

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Maybe 8 or 9 over $10, but most are draw effects you can easily replace with something else

tall blaze
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What is "budget"?

sly torrent
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Every deck fits someone's budget

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But if someone randomly asks that, I arbitrarily take that to mean cards not over say $10 and not a fully optimized land base with fetches and shocks.

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There's only a handful of cards over $20 that are commonly played anyway

trail charm
sly torrent
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Just look at some lists and swap out the most expensive cards for cards that do a simliar effect

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No one needs Esper Sentinel. Any draw effect will fill that slot to an extent.

trail charm
tall blaze
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Ok gonna shift bumble into more control - cutting things like court of garenbrig (even though its one of my favourite pieces)

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So I'll have Bumble control for the nice games and Y'shtola control for the... mean games?

sly torrent
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I really enjoy playing officer bumbles

tall blaze
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I whiffed on freestrider lookout 5 times in a roe

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was weird

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if I go controlflower I'll probably swap cyc rift for seedborn muse

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need that sweet mana

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I keep almost decking myself though

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need a shuffler

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maybe [[Endurance]]?

brave folioBOT
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tall blaze
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I do run tithe because its just so good with bumble

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Don’t really need rift when you have [[wave goodbye]] or [[damning verdict]]

brave folioBOT
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Tithe feels so broken bumbles haha

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I don’t run tithe in any decks that aren’t mono white. It’s too busted

tall blaze
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I'm gonna add tataru though

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Mini tithe is nice

sly torrent
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I like Tataru

tall blaze
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Eg bumble where I can force trigger it

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Or vihaan where treasures are important

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But not in any deck where it would just be a generically good piece

pastel agate
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Not hard to do when bunny is big

tall blaze
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True

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I've been working on a mono green counters deck and have found [[fertilid]] and [[rampant rejuvenator]] to be amazing. But maybe in bumbleflower I won't have enough basics to make the most of it

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tall blaze
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I already struggle with [[kodama of the west tree]]

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If I ramp all 10 out then fail to find, I'm already so far ahead

pastel agate
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I’m not a fan of body of Knowledge

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Chasm skulker is nice but definitely better options

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Managorger hydra is good but it’s a change between whether you focus on other creatures or bumble herself

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Psychosis crawler is good too, but I wonder if [[scrawling crawler]] is better

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I never played her

tall blaze
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I really love flip heliod

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When he's out he takes over the game

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Problem with him as commander is ramping

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But in bant I can really use him

pastel agate
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He is ramp

tall blaze
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He is ramp after you've invested 7 mana into him

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But flipped heliod out with bumble out is so nasty

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Can doublespell every turn without running out of mana

sand island
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I feel like I kinda want to try out [[tishana's tidebinder]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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Has some sweet art too [[!tishana's tidebinder|LCI|335]]

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Here's a thought:

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What about [[sylvan library]]?

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pastel agate
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Like I know that answer is "It's just good"

sand island
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It's just good

pastel agate
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But there's also the thought that it also gives you the opportunity to plan ahead and see if you're okay spending resources for bumble to double spell into them or double spell past them

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Like at the least it works with draw doublers and such

sand island
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Yeah it's cool with ageless insight

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or anything else that cares about drawing triggers

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I did get out ageless insight the other day. Drawing 4 is pretty dope

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I don’t run any game changers because I think they draw more aggro than they are worth in a deck that’s best deflecting as much as possible because bumbles can grow so quickly it can catch the table off guard.

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And overcoming the resource asymmetry so overtly can backfire

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Pretending you are at parity on card draw can make people forget about the counters for a turn too long

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I just counted and I think I have 33 pieces of interaction in my deck haha

tall blaze
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8 life is a lot

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And waiting until your next turn is ehh

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though if you're running a big flash package, flashing it in on end step could be cool

pastel agate
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I forgot it was a game changer lol

tall blaze
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Is it

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No it isnt

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its basically just phyrexian arena in green

sand island
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It's way better than phyrexian arena tbh

sly torrent
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My bad. I thought it was for some reason

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brave folioBOT
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[[lady octopus, inspired inventor]] is interesting.

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pastel agate
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I like it, not necessarily for bumble unless you go hard into the mana rock game

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Makes your second cast easier

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It’s kinda like a really good aether vial specifically for artifacts

pastel agate
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Gamers here’s a thought

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Per a discussion in #commander

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[[parallax wave]] - thoughts as a removal spell?

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/37/parallax-wave

Parallax Wave <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Fading 5 (This enchantment enters with five fade counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a fade counter from it. If you can't, sacrifice it.)
Remove a fade counter from this enchantment: Exile target creature.
When this enchantment leaves the battlefield, each player returns to the battlefield all cards they own exiled with it.

pastel agate
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Quintuple exile is really good

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Like yeah we could just run a board wipe but exiling 5 things is backbreaking and is effectively the same thing no?

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AND gets bought back by our recursion stuff

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Evo witness, trailtracker scout, even heliod would get another potential target

tall blaze
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Like [[dreamtide whale]]

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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That too

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I was thinking that exactly yeah

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I might have to snag a copy for bumble

tall blaze
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I really should put Tidus in bumble

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But I love my list so much it's hard to make cuts

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I do find the counter multipliers to be very good but I probably have too many

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[[Biorganic Carapace]]

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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Could be good in Bumbles for sure. Lots of draw and supports bunny smash

tall blaze
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Mana expensive

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It automatically equips. It's only 4 mana to cast and have it equiped to bumbles and ready to draw 2 cards

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same mana as a bident of thassa

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and will likely draw more cards

sand island
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To be fair, I wouldn't run bident of thassa either

sly torrent
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I currently run Bident, but I think I'm gonna cut for Carapace

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It buffs and draws, that's everything Bumbles wants

sly torrent
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Are there other draw engines for Bumbles I'm missing?

tall blaze
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Rhystic Study is very apparent

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ugh I need to find a spot for tataru

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and tidus

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so much FF goodness

sly torrent
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I'm not running any game changers by choice

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So no rhystic, tithe, or seedborn

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or sphinx

sand island
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eMy man

sly torrent
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Tataru is great though

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I don't think bumbles needs the GCs unless you are trying to do top tier bracket 4. She's aready so good and I think sometimes the GCs draw you more hate than they will get you in value.

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Undeniably good cards though in her. They just aren't necessary in my pod for her to be really strong.

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I had a game where I had trouble in pairs and smuggler's share in play. that was ridiculous

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I could barely keep track of how many cards I needed to draw. Woe is me

sand island
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Also generic good cards are dumb and boring

sly torrent
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I play them in other decks, but I didn't think she needed them.

sand island
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boooo

sand island
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[[urban retreat]] is interesting-ish

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https://scryfall.com/card/spm/187/urban-retreat

Urban Retreat

Land
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add manag, manaw , or manau.
mana2, Return a tapped creature you control to its owner's hand: Put this card from your hand onto the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
For Peter, apartment hunting was about location, location, cost, and location.

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That ability would be better if it wasn’t already green and doesn’t need more ramp

tall blaze
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Not a huge fan of Joel's list but nice to see some tech

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Oaka and devoted Druid is a fun combo

hot breach
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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/191/brightglass-gearhulk

Brightglass Gearhulk <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Construct
First strike, trample
When this creature enters, you may search your library for up to two artifact, creature, and/or enchantment cards with mana value 1 or less, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
"A new day dawns for Avishkar, and we shall draw our power from its light."
4/4

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It would be, but I generally don’t run tutors.

pastel agate
tall blaze
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I love bright glass, I generally don't run tutors but it's so specific and doesn't pull any win cons, it's basically like a "draw 2 spells that you can play cheaply" which I find to be okay

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I even run urzas saga just to find shadowspear

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But I think I'm gonna cut it

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Because that's always finding the same thing which I find boring

sly torrent
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I run urzas in some mono color decks where I could get shadow spear or commander plate

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But I think mono color decks are already hamstrung enough that I don’t mind running some more broken cards in

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I like showing people mono white doesn’t suck with [[adeline]]

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sand island
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Mono white sucking is a meme

sly torrent
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Pretty much

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I got back into Magic after not playing since 1999 when Midnight Hunt launched. Hit mythic on arena with a mono white deck with 4x Adeline. So built her as my first custom commander deck when I started playing commander.

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When I saw the mono white sucks memes I was confused because it seemed fine to me

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Mono red is the worst imo

sand island
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Agreed

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Not that any mono color isn't viable

tall blaze
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I think mono white used to be bad

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but its pretty good now

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red is by far the worst

sly torrent
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how many basic lands are most people running?

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I had my first game last night where I got totally color screwed. Kept a starting hand not realizing I had no green mana. 6 lands later, no green mana. Total statistical nonsense.

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49% of my lands can tap for green, so that was very much not normal

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But it makes me wonder if running 10 basics to better enable Kodama is too risky

pastel agate
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Eh, it just happens sometimes

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I think I run 6?

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Yeah, 2 of each

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Lots of fetches helps too

sly torrent
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Do you run Kodama of the West Tree?

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I might cut three basics and throw in 3 filter lands

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I do run 3 fetches

pastel agate
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Nah not anymore