Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

[tall blaze]

What's a good budget to make a reasonable deck

I kinda always play budgetless

My lgs has said they expect stock mid march

[pastel agate]

$100 is usually a good middle ground

[tall blaze]

Nice, I'll try to make decks there

[pastel agate]

Between super budget and not budget at all

[tall blaze]

I feel like all my decks end up approaching about £450

[pastel agate]

Tbh I’d start with the precom and edit from there

[tall blaze]

Half of which is the mana base

[sand island]

Yeah the precon isn't too bad ootb

[pastel agate]

Me looking at my $1400 bumbleflower list… 😅

[wicked cove]

xD

[tall blaze]

OG duals eat like half that budget

[pastel agate]

They aren’t actually included

[tall blaze]

I go budgetless but in reality no cards over £100

[sand island]

Mine is mostly labor costs

[pastel agate]

The website defaults to the magic online promos which don’t have a price

I also don’t have real duals because ew

[tall blaze]

Dang

[pastel agate]

So that works out

[tall blaze]

My "target" bumbleflower is like 500 eur but that's because I've intentionally not put in lots of free Counterspell

Which would make it stronger

Also it's a go wide build and I have no clue if that works

[sand island]

Mine is currently ~$200 going by tcgplayer prices

[tall blaze]

Deckbuilding to a budget might be a fun exercise

But like... I don't think I would ever play a deck like that?

[sand island]

There's really little difference besides the staples

[tall blaze]

It feels bad to be playing suboptimal cards just for the arbitrary deckbuilding limit

[sand island]

Many times, you can find a cheaper approximation to an expensive card

Commander isn't about running the best thing at all times anywho

"best"

[tall blaze]

Of course. But playing a tapped land (for budget reasons) because I chose not to put in an untapped land feels wrong to me

I would rather have fewer decks than more decks which are hindered by budget

I only really have two decks built which aren't upgraded precons, and they don't run any tapped lands except for surveils because they're fetchable and surveil is strong

[sturdy tiger]

Working on full foiling your Bunny list?

[pastel agate]

Yep! I made some progress the other day when I double sleeved my bumble deck and picked up cards but I really need to order the cheap cards online

[sturdy tiger]

That's awesome, I actually just finished full foiling mine out recently thanks to my partner

[pastel agate]

Ohhhhhh shoot the list!

That's awesome dawg

[sturdy tiger]

The pièce de résistance

[pastel agate]

DAAAAAANG

Jealous

Shit, man, I might see if I can't trade up into one

If I can snag one at MagicCon I absolutely will

[sturdy tiger]

It's a very nice card, but I wouldn't encourage spending 300 on it

[pastel agate]

Right, no shot am I spending [[$bumbleflower]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/103/ms-bumbleflower

Prices for Ms. Bumbleflower

Bloomburrow Commander

$1.19 • €0.99 • 1.23 TIX

Bloomburrow Commander

$479.65 • 0.20 TIX

[pastel agate]

wheeze

[sturdy tiger]

Oh yeah she's gone up

[pastel agate]

If I can trade up I will

But that's so goddamn much

[sturdy tiger]

My partner helped me cop her 6 months ago off TCGPlayer when she was still in the 300 range

[wicked cove]

https://moxfield.com/decks/WtAFxP9tKEieKxVM7qc_pQ

What do u guys think? I just played around a bit

[pastel agate]

What’s the combo?

[wicked cove]

[[Evolution Witness]]+[[Ms. Bumbleflower]] + 2 0 mana value artifacts

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/151/evolution-witness

Evolution Witness <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Shaman Mutant
: Adapt 2. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put two +1/+1 counters on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Evolution Witness, return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand.
She remembers every breakthrough, from the gene's mutation to the new life's propagation.
2/1

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/3/ms-bumbleflower

Ms. Bumbleflower <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Citizen
Vigilance
Whenever you cast a spell, target opponent draws a card. Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. It gains flying until end of turn. If this is the second time this ability has resolved this turn, you draw two cards.
1/5

[wicked cove]

[[Rosie Cotton]] + [[Basking Broodscale]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/27/rosie-cotton-of-south-lane

Rosie Cotton of South Lane <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
When Rosie Cotton of South Lane enters, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Whenever you create a token, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control other than Rosie.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/145/basking-broodscale

Basking Broodscale <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Eldrazi Lizard
Devoid (This card has no color.)
: Adapt 1. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Basking Broodscale, you may create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this creature: Add ."
2/2

[wicked cove]

I am not sure if those are good combos or even considered combos.. I just think those cards work well together

[pastel agate]

True

[wicked cove]

I probably should rename xD

[pastel agate]

What is a funny idea is that anything that lets you cast a spell infinitely wins you the game since her draw is required

[wicked cove]

https://moxfield.com/decks/kMILB5nXqke1SGvsGRioMg

I played around with the hippo line

[tall blaze]

Do you think [[Teferi's Ageless Insight]] is too expensive for bumbling?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/119/teferis-ageless-insight

Teferi's Ageless Insight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
If you would draw a card except the first one you draw in each of your draw steps, draw two cards instead.
"Fine, you know more than me. But do you have to be such a show-off about it?" —Chandra Nalaar, to Teferi

[sand island]

Nah, I run it

[pastel agate]

It’s probably just me but I do not

[sand island]

I'm just addicted to drawing cards

[modest lion]

My only problem with Teferi's Ageless Insight is that it immediately turns you into the problem. I find that my Bumble wins often come because I'm largely left alone until it's too late.

[pastel agate]

Same - or you are able to land a one sided board wipe to really tip the scales

[modest lion]

I try to stay true to the group hug philosophy, so there are no board wipes in my deck - just targeted removal for whoever is the biggest problem.

Black Vise and similar pain on draw effects are really the only cards that make people openly hostile to me.

When I have the time, I'm excited to go through this thread and see what people like to do! I love me some Bumble and group hug.

[pastel agate]

Heck yeah - I wouldn’t dig too deep, though, we’re nearly 8,000 messages in now lol

Holy crap we did surpass 8k

[sand island]

lol

[pastel agate]

We are now blazing a trail to beat the general deckbuilding thread

[sand island]

We need a pinned message with every user's decklist link lol

[pastel agate]

I’d be down for that

Post ‘em

https://moxfield.com/decks/F-CasGtbQ0uBZmC6JN7e6w

[pastel agate]

My problem is that you can’t see pinned messages in threads on mobile

It’s weird

But eh

[sand island]

Oh, weird

[pastel agate]

Oh! You can apparently! It’s in the settings option (that I’m not sure you can see)

[sand island]

Yep, just takes a few extra steps

[pastel agate]

Heck yeah

[sand island]

So weord they don't put pinned messages right there next to settings lol

[pastel agate]

So feel free to post your decklists and I’ll pin them

[sand island]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8498400/bumbleflower (Currently experimenting with some mill pieces)

Mine ^

[tall blaze]

I've decided to make a big proxy order. My idea is to buy proxies of all the staples which I can't afford to buy like 5 copies of just because they go in every x colour deck... so now I can actually make my bumbleflower!

[sand island]

Sleepy's https://moxfield.com/decks/Zzc4fQ_5vk2Av-yKoDTwfQ

[pastel agate]

Also, fun news - I am hunting for a raised foil bumble at MagicCon

[sand island]

Good luck

[tall blaze]

Spenny

[pastel agate]

I did that long ago, it’s worked out well

[pastel agate]

I will not be getting it if I can’t trade down to only having to pay $100

If I don’t get one I don’t, which is fine

[sand island]

I have like 5 bumbleflower deck lists open in my browser at all times, I just have to figure out who is who...

[pastel agate]

Lmao

[tall blaze]

How does that work

Like finding someone who has it and you have stuff they really want enough to ignore the ~$300 difference?

I've not been much of a trader

[pastel agate]

I’d also hope they trade for value, but yeah. ~$380 of trades + $100 cash

[tall blaze]

My worry is the slippery slope of just ending up being a big proxy king

[tall blaze]

Oh right yeah that makes sense

I would absolutely do that deal, I have... $5k of cards I dont play with

But actually trading is hard for me

[pastel agate]

I have probably that much too lol

I’ll really be pooling my resources for this one

[tall blaze]

Sad thing is that isnt including everything bought in the last month becuase I got lazy with scanning

I think if I can put together a bumble list I really love and it becomes my favourite deck

I'll maybe sell all my weird high value stuff (foil future sight stuff etc.) that I dont even play with and buy the bumble

[tall blaze]

Do you have a list? I'm putting one together on moxfield but always good to get ideas

[pastel agate]

I have an excel sheet lmao

I could probably download a copy of it

[tall blaze]

I'm thinking, staples which will go in every deck (landbase, ramp etc), high value cards which will likely go in a couple of decks (burgeoning etc)

but not gonna proxy cards where I likely only ever need one for a very specific deck

My plan is to own at least one of each of the cards I proxy

So I can, in a pinch, make the deck real

[tall blaze]

Ty this is dope

[pastel agate]

It might’ve broken in the transfer between Google sheets and an excel file, but it also had a pivot table that helped auto create the list of staples you need

[tall blaze]

Yeah I might also just throw in the og duals because... why not, it's gonna be abulk order 😄

[pastel agate]

so you can copy paste into whatever proxy creator you want

[tall blaze]

What did you use

I'll probably just make a moxfield deck for my list

Wow your quantities are... high

I've only got two proxies, and only two paper decks so far, but imagine once I'm free of the burden of manabases I can suddenly build whatever I like

[pastel agate]

I typically bought 10 of each so I had backups + extras to give to friends

As for the lands I needed them far more often

[tall blaze]

Sensible

I fear I may go a little wild with this 😄 but thats probably good

[crystal quest]

https://moxfield.com/decks/6GoV_C8uz0q5NIEGd4fsAg

[crystal quest]

Considering leaning into how powerful she is and just adding Aluren

[pastel agate]

Aluren would be very funny

[crystal quest]

Just draw everyone out

[pastel agate]

Also enables potential win combos

[crystal quest]

Take that, constant mists

[pastel agate]

Trueeee

Constant mists sucks

[crystal quest]

I’d rather win with my large rabbit, but if not…

[sand island]

[[Aluren]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/165/aluren

Aluren <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Any player may cast creature spells with mana value 3 or less without paying their mana costs and as though they had flash.
Squee bounced up and down. "I sees a horsey, an' a piggy, an' a—" "If you don't shut up," hissed Mirri, "you'll see a kidney and a spleeny."

[pastel agate]

Fun with [[whitemane lion]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/35/whitemane-lion

Whitemane Lion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
Flash
When this creature enters, return a creature you control to its owner's hand.
Saltfield nomads call a sudden storm a "whitemane."
2/2

[pastel agate]

as long as your opponents have no interaction that you can’t handle you just deck them all

[clear aspen]

Updated my list! I added back Selvala cause I got the secret lair and idk she just is super pretty. Also added a bunch of counter doublers and Sab-Sunen. I figured if Sab-Sunen is played into a counter doubler, she is going to stay even most likely and will just grow ridiculously fast.

https://archidekt.com/decks/10779144/bumbleflower

[clear aspen]

Feel free to pin 🙂

[tall blaze]

[[dismiss into dream]] looks cool but too expensive

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/m14/50/dismiss-into-dream

Dismiss into Dream <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Each creature your opponents control is an Illusion in addition to its other types and has "When this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it."
"You trust in the shadows of a breeze." —Noyan Dar, Tazeem lullmage

[sand island]

So expensive, but pretty sweet actually

[tall blaze]

turns every spell into removal which gets behind indestructible

pretty cool

[clear aspen]

Excited to play my updated bumbleflower tomorrow. I think it will feel alot better

[sand island]

Pog, good luck

[pastel agate]

Bumblers I won with [[teferi temporal pilgrim]] today by ulting him twice

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/66/teferi-temporal-pilgrim

Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
Whenever you draw a card, put a loyalty counter on Teferi.
0: Draw a card.
−2: Create a 2/2 blue Spirit creature token with vigilance and "Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on this token."
−12: Target opponent chooses a permanent they control and returns it to its owner's hand. Then they shuffle each nonland permanent they control into its owner's library.
Loyalty: 4

[pastel agate]

It was glorious

Card is a one card toolbox for bumble

Makes a fucking huge guy, draws cards and eventually just resets someone’s board

[clear aspen]

Oooooo I’ll add him to my wishlist

[pastel agate]

I’ve had him in there for a while

Planeswalkers in conjunction with [[dreamtide whale]] just means you’re winning the game

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/59/dreamtide-whale

Dreamtide Whale <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Whale
Vanishing 2 (This creature enters with two time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from it. When the last is removed, sacrifice it.)
Whenever a player casts their second spell each turn, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
7/5

[clear aspen]

Oh that makes sense cause proliferate works with the planeswalker counters! Maybe I’ll add back evolution sage when I add him. I removed alot of my proliferate cause I felt it wasn’t doing a ton for me

But I also wasn’t running any planeswalkers at the time

[pastel agate]

I’m not a fan of evolution sage even if it is objectively really good

Idk why

[clear aspen]

Yea it was on the chopping block for me

I felt counter doublers > proliferate idk why

[pastel agate]

Yeah. I’m a big fan of [[ozolith shattered spire]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/198/ozolith-the-shattered-spire

Ozolith, the Shattered Spire <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Artifact
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on an artifact or creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.
, : Put a +1/+1 counter on target artifact or creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

[clear aspen]

Got that in there 🙂

[pastel agate]

It kinda does it all in one package if you need it

[clear aspen]

Also [[hardened scales]] and [[conclave mentor]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/243/hardened-scales

Hardened Scales <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.
"Naga shed their scales. We wear ours with pride." —Golran, dragonscale captain

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/320/conclave-mentor

Conclave Mentor <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Centaur Cleric
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that creature instead.
When this creature dies, you gain life equal to its power.
"I have faith in your potential."
2/2

[pastel agate]

That + hardened scales + vorinclex + innkeeper’s talent + conclave mentor means I pretty consistently get at least one

[clear aspen]

Don’t have vorinclex but I’ll also add him to the wishlist!

[sand island]

[[pir, imaginative]] is real nice for planeswalkers too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/11/pir-imaginative-rascal

Pir, Imaginative Rascal <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human
Partner with Toothy, Imaginary Friend (When this creature enters, target player may put Toothy into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
If one or more counters would be put on a permanent your team controls, that many plus one of each of those kinds of counters are put on that permanent instead.
1/1

[sand island]

I haven't yet seen [[radstorm]], but I'm hoping for the day

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/37/radstorm

Radstorm <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)
Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
Green sky at night, ghoul's delight.

[clear aspen]

Yea I saw that card in alot of your guys decks

[sand island]

My frenemy has a Storm (the superhero card and the archetype) deck, so it might be a funny surprise if he plays it.

[pastel agate]

I’ve been looking so hard for a copy ;-;

Good news though - got about 5 more foils for bumble today!

[sand island]

How many cards do you need for a full foil deck now?

[pastel agate]

A lot still - I checked cardkingdom and for the version of each card I want I’d have to drop another, like, $1k on the deck to finish it out

And that’s not even exactly the shiniest version I want

Like the expeditions

[clear aspen]

Yikes

[sand island]

I'm sure stuff like foil vorinclex is real spendy

[pastel agate]

Yeah, vorinclex alone is $30 for the cheapest version

But I wanna get the step and compleat foil

[clear aspen]

Yea I just saw vorinclex normal is like $70 🤯

My man got a fucking great henge and I thought that was ridiculous

Some of these cards man are too damn expensive

[pastel agate]

I got a foil etched one at MagicCon Vegas!

It was $80 but I traded for all of it

[clear aspen]

Oh nice! You know I’ve got two delneys and I have no idea what to do with one let alone 2. We should try to trade some of our more expensive dupes

[pastel agate]

Yep! That’s the plan.

[sand island]

Delney is so good

[pastel agate]

I’m stocking the hell out of my trade binder when I go to Chicago to hopefully get a raised foil bumble

Delney would be good for bumble if you never put counters on her

She’d immediately draw 2

[sand island]

Oh you're so right

[clear aspen]

True but I feel like voltron is where she belongs

[pastel agate]

Problem with that is i would also want it to trigger my other stuff and i need those to get big too

Like atp I’d rather have Sakashima of a thousand faces or Mockingbird

[clear aspen]

Yea! Maybe with like Generous Patron you could use your counters for more group hug type stuff

[sand island]

Are you guys adding anything from aetherdrift?

Maybe gearhulk

[clear aspen]

I added [[sab-sunen]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/221/sab-sunen-luxa-embodied

Sab-Sunen, Luxa Embodied <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — God
Reach, trample, indestructible
Sab-Sunen can't attack or block unless it has an even number of counters on it. (Zero is even.)
At the beginning of your first main phase, put a +1/+1 counter on Sab-Sunen. Then if it has an odd number of counters on it, draw two cards.
6/6

[sand island]

Nice. Let me know how you like her

[clear aspen]

Will do! Hoping I draw her!

Also (and let me know if this isn’t allowed) i got this Dr Seuss themes bunny token so hoping I draw tempt with bunnies lmao

[sand island]

Pog

Custom tokens should be no problem. Proxies either as long as it's clear they are custom.

Share a pic, I'm curious what that would even look like lol

[clear aspen]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1777051685/?ref=share_ios_native_control

[sand island]

[clear aspen]

Ikr dude!!! Omg I got this super cute saproling one too for my slimefoot and squee deck

[sand island]

He protec, he attac, bnuuy

Okay those are great

[clear aspen]

I fell in love

[sand island]

I got fogliokens (Phil Foglio's token set) but no bunnies 😔

[clear aspen]

Awww well would recommend they came pretty high quality!

[sand island]

Nice. I'll consider them if I have a token I end up using a lot

I guess I use plants and beasts in my landfall deck, but my other token deck is [[volo, guide to monsters]] and those tokens are a little unique lol.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/238/volo-guide-to-monsters

Volo, Guide to Monsters <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever you cast a creature spell that doesn't share a creature type with a creature you control or a creature card in your graveyard, copy that spell. (A copy of a creature spell becomes a token.)
"The beholder told me I had a good eye for details. Who was I to argue?"
3/2

[pastel agate]

Same

Haven’t drawn her yet but bumble’s ability to control the counters on sab sunen means you get the best of both worlds constantly

[clear aspen]

Yea! And I was thinking even with a counter doubler, she stays even and just grows super fast

[pastel agate]

That part I don’t like, actually

But tbh it’s a worthwhile downside

Gets huge, if you can keep it even

If not it’s a good draw engine but it’s not grest atp

[sand island]

Just sac it to [[disciple of freyalise]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/250/disciple-of-freyalise-garden-of-freyalise

Disciple of Freyalise <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
When this creature enters, you may sacrifice another creature. If you do, you gain X life and draw X cards, where X is that creature's power.
"Freyalise is gone, but her song lives on."
3/3

Garden of Freyalise
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
The Juniper Order safeguards secret places that still thrum with traces of Freyalise's life-giving magic.

[pastel agate]

True

Do you have any idea how freaking hard it is to find that in foil?!!

There is not one in my entire city it seems

[sand island]

MH3 was such a popular set, I would've figured they'd be all over the place

[pastel agate]

I have not been able to find it despite the foil being the same price

[sand island]

[pastel agate]

https://tenor.com/view/umaru-himouto-umaru-chan-anime-cute-mad-gif-17857989

Dis me when I can’t find it

[sand island]

[pastel agate]

I wish I had nitro ;-;

I’d use that ish all the time

[sand island]

It's so worth it

[clear aspen]

It really is

[pastel agate]

I don’t wanna pay for a free aaaaaappppp

Ugh $3 a month

[tall blaze]

You guys all talking about bumble is making me want to build mine more bah

But it's so expensive

And proxies will take weeks to arrive if I order now

[tall blaze]

I love Delney, I have 3.

I'm thinking about buying some og duals or trading for them if I ever see someone trading... but my problem is my trade binder is so widely varied that it's unlikely anyone would want the mishmash of card in there, even at considerably over value

[modest lion]

It's interesting seeing how everyone builds their deck. I moved away from the counter enablers entirely, and have gone full group hug cards / payoffs, with the goal being alt-win cons. I know someone who went full poison counters with it.

I think Bumble can be an exceptionally mean commander, but I've chosen to stay full group hug. And it wins at an absurd rate. I'll have to get my decklist updated and up here.

[tall blaze]

This is why I love bumbleflower. It's a super versatile deck and I just love the flavour

[wicked cove]

Hey guys, I got my hand on the precon, so I'm switching plans from building a bumbleflower deck to upgrading one first. I know there are many ways to go from here. Which one would you recommend?

[pastel agate]

Whichever one speaks to you! There’s tons of ways to build her

What’s something you like to do?

[modest lion]

You can use her "Give +1 and Flying" to be super aggressive, or you can use her card-giving to manipulate the table and profit from it in the long run. Or anything in between! Lots of ways to have fun! Just do what speaks to you!

[wicked cove]

Ill probably play it out of the box for a bit to get a feeling for the group hug/ politics behind it and ill decide after that 🙂 So looking forward to play the bunny 🙂

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

hey y’all, I brought my super-gross-so-doesn’t-exist-anymore list back down to a reasonable position for people to view as not-cedh (CURRENT LIST)

It’s still a bracket 4 but it also drops the most recently banned cards and fast mana and adds in some more fun stuff

I’m not going back to this list but I figured it’d be helpful to those who wanna abuse the cards she gives away to the max

[pastel agate]

So to our newest several bumblers, @clear aspen, @wicked cove, @modest lion, and @tall blaze: have you gotten a deck together and gotten games in? If so, how has she played for you? If not, is there anything past actually getting the cardboard together (ex. $, time, etc) that’s keeping you from doing it?

[modest lion]

I've been running Bumble since she came out. I had started playing not long before Bloomburrow, so I was really excited at the idea of a group hug deck, as it was new to me. Since then, I've run Bumble probably more than any other deck, and it wins at like a 90% rate.

Being able to manipulate the board via card draw on any turn, play genuine group hug cards that keep me from drawing hate from the table, and letting my board state build have all turned out well for me.

Lastly, I try to win via alt win cons (Triskaidekaphile, Toed Toad, etc) when possible, but having the board state I do by the end of the game helps me win with combat if necessary.

[pastel agate]

(90% rate probably means the need to re-evaluate what PL it can play at fwiw)

[modest lion]

I'm new to the forum, but not new to Bumble. I just run her more kindly than most, I think. Mine is very mid-power, meant to be run in pods that are better than precon level, but aren't necessarily "Win by turn 7 or you lose".

[modest lion]

Yeah, I've thought about that. I have wondered whether I'm playing it against lower power tables, but I try really hard to make sure it's run appropriately. 90% is an exaggeration, but it definitely wins more often than I'd have guessed.

I'll look closer at that for future tables, but I've only got four decks, so sometimes it's the default choice if we're in the mid-power range. That might be part of the problem.

[pastel agate]

Another consideration is that bumble is kind of volatile with board states

Very seldom does she get down and dirty and scrap the table, usually you’re either rolled because you gave away too many cards or you roll the table because you can stop the card advantage you give from being useful

But she 100% plays higher power than you’d expect

[wicked cove]

Still waiting on the precon. And I might play her some as is before upgrading in any direction 🙂

[pastel agate]

Heck yeah, I’m excited for you homie!

[sand island]

The precon, like others, has a dozen or so useless cards, but it's still pretty good.

[pastel agate]

I wouldn’t call them “useless” so much as “not a good fit for bumble”

[sand island]

Well okay, fair. Insofar as no card is really useless.

Although it does make me wonder if anyone is using that poison squirrel treasure guy

[wicked cove]

tbf I have no clue what those cards are yet or which direction I could go with bumble

[pastel agate]

Oh

I forgot that was in the bumble precon

Tf

Nah you’re right Levi that card sucked

[sand island]

Top decks for it on edhrec are bumble, just because it came in the precon lol

And people are running it in squirrel tribal (???)

[clear aspen]

I have edited my deck a ton and probably played 10 games with her. I really struggled with lethality until I switch to really focusing on counters. Originally I focused on draw abilities and I found I had alot of trouble getting the necessary lethality for my lgs and especially against my boyfriend Ygra eater of all artifact deck, i just couldn’t scale enough without counter doublers and the like.

[sand island]

I swear, tribal players just see the type line

Oh actually, it might go pretty well in a [[kibo, uktabi prince]] deck

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/j22/40/kibo-uktabi-prince

Kibo, Uktabi Prince <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Monkey Noble
: Each player creates a colorless artifact token named Banana with ", Sacrifice this token: Add or . You gain 2 life."
Whenever an artifact an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control that's an Ape or a Monkey.
Whenever Kibo attacks, defending player sacrifices an artifact of their choice.
2/2

[pastel agate]

Hardened scales effects are so useful in bumbleflower

They literally just double the effectivity of her counters

[clear aspen]

Mhm!! Loving it so far! I literally have 4 counter doublers in her haha

[pastel agate]

I would focus more on adders than doublers, fwiw

Adders tend to be cheaper mv

[clear aspen]

I just destroyed my friends in a game online making bumble a super scary threat

[wicked cove]

I thought about going big bunny with her, but I build another go tall deck and got told, that i will not work at all..so I am scared trying that strategy again

[sand island]

^ Agreed with this. Doubling 1 isn't very huge either.

[pastel agate]

And also have other stuff attached like lae’zel, kami of whispered hopes, etc

[sand island]

Innkeeper's talent is great though. Partially because you can upgrade it in steps, and each step does something amazing.

💰 though

[clear aspen]

Yea I have a bunch of cards from several of your guy’s list that are a little higher in price that I definitely want to upgrade into though

[pastel agate]

For no good reason ;-;

[sand island]

It was used in standard for a decent while

With the Vraska PW that gives poison counters

Since you can play her and immediately poison your opponent for 12

Oh it was 18. [[vraska, betrayal's sting]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/115/vraska-betrayals-sting

Vraska, Betrayal's Sting <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manabp:292901508922474496>

Legendary Planeswalker — Vraska
Compleated ( can be paid with or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)
0: You draw a card and you lose 1 life. Proliferate.
−2: Target creature becomes a Treasure artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color" and loses all other card types and abilities.
−9: If target player has fewer than nine poison counters, they get a number of poison counters equal to the difference.
Loyalty: 6

[tall blaze]

I'm held back by the fact that ab unch of the cards need are in my zimone deck

[modest lion]

This list isn't 100% accurate (the give away is that it has 101 cards), but it's very close. I have a couple changes I want to make to upgrade my ramp, as well as another hug instant or two.

https://moxfield.com/decks/qfIu4jRkZUWx7B1xU8KFeQ

It's still in the "early draft" phase for me, which means I haven't optimized ramp and removal - just trying to focus on synergies and find out what cards perform best - but as a group hug deck, I don't think I'm going to play a whole lot more strict removal. It'll still be stuff like Invigorate, which I can use to swing a fight in someone else's favor, hence pseudo-removal sticking to the group hug intent.

[pastel agate]

One sided wipes would be extremely beneficial to bumble. Or at least a lot of protection.

Any way to offset a board wipe in your favor is best

[clear aspen]

For sure! You could use a [[damning verdict]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/15/damning-verdict

Damning Verdict <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures with no counters on them.
"Guilty as charged!"

[clear aspen]

I also orinally had scrawling crawler and psychosis crawler in there and scrawling crawler was great but psychosis crawler I never thought I got much out of. Ending up cutting them both cause I went with counters instead

[pastel agate]

Has anyone messed with windfall much?

[sand island]

Ooh me

[pastel agate]

I feel like it’d go really hard in a mill shell

[pastel agate]

How is it?

[sand island]

I have a deck out plan as a backup, and I quite like it.

I do own a ton of mill cards, I should make a millflower

[clear aspen]

Me too!

Levi actually I think recommeneded it to me

[sand island]

I also run [[tolarian winds]] to help deck myself lmao

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/105/tolarian-winds

Tolarian Winds <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Discard all the cards in your hand, then draw that many cards.
Why not ask the winds? —Tolarian expression meaning "Who knows?"

[pastel agate]

I just have the spark jace as a backup for a real long game

[sand island]

Could go hard with [[Sphinx's tutelage]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ori/76/sphinxs-tutelage

Sphinx's Tutelage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever you draw a card, target opponent mills two cards. If two nonland cards that share a color were milled this way, repeat this process.
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
"You've never considered the implications of dealing with another telepath, Jace."

[sand island]

Or [[psychic corrosion]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/m19/68/psychic-corrosion

Psychic Corrosion <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever you draw a card, each opponent mills two cards.
"To break another's mind is to deliver a fate worse than death. It is a terrifying power." —Jace Beleren

[sand island]

Actually, millflower here I come.

[modest lion]

Very smart. I've leaned away from the counters, and I think I get enough from those two cards to make them worth it, but we'll see - both have gotten limited use.

They're usually a way for me to close the game out late when people are already whittled down. Both Crawlers + Black Vise can kill someone in one turn late in the game, if they're low and I need to win a 1v1.

[clear aspen]

Ooo black vise seems good!

[modest lion]

Black Vise is one of my favorite includes. It flips the group hug dynamic immediately on its head, so I only play it on someone if they're clearly the problem, or if it's late game and I know I'll need to win a fight (if alt-win cons aren't an option).

Both Crawlers + Black Vise + Psychic Possession + a handful of cheap casts to maximize what someone is drawing = a very damaging turn.

[pastel agate]

Gamers

Bumblers

This is stupid

[clear aspen]

I am going to spend so much on ff cards. It’s going to be bad

[modest lion]

Big same. Just reading the article now. Very excited.

[solemn hamlet]

EHHH?!

https://tenor.com/view/tidus-laugh-tidus-laugh-laughing-anime-gif-16634936

[pastel agate]

Sleepy hath returned???

Whaddup dawg!

Yeah Tidus is going in for sure

It’s a slam dunk in the deck

[solemn hamlet]

Ahoy

Actually got a commander game in last night woo! Not with Bumbleflower though , played some Magar 🤣

[pastel agate]

Hey, still glad you got to jam, good to see ya back in the saddle

Y’know something else I’m excited for with Tidus?

It also means the 99 is going to be counter shenanigans

We’re gonna get some sweet new cards for bumble this go round

[solemn hamlet]

Buckle up!

[sand island]

I hope there are cool precons. I want one that I don't upgrade.

[tall blaze]

I'm keeping an unmodified bumbleflower around as one of my precon level decks for when I need one

Once I do my box proxy order (still need to finalise my card list) I'm going to finally build my real bumbleflower

[modest lion]

I have been telling myself for about six months now, "Once I finalize that list, I'll be able to build out the decks I want". Still haven't done it. We can finish this mission together, friend.

[tall blaze]

https://moxfield.com/decks/IcRftPSZ202sMEiTE32nKQ this is mine so far

[cursive dune]

question for anyone who plays TTS: how do I remove/search cards from exile?

[pastel agate]

Should be an exile pile you’ve made, right click there should be a search option

[spring narwhal]

Hey I was told to come here to link and learn potential upgrades to my bumbleflower deck! Honestly this is my favorite deck and would like to make it stronger but also keep it fun

https://moxfield.com/decks/39uZt3eI1kCFGKc2GS7GJg

[sand island]

Welcome!

[spring narwhal]

Helloooo, nice to see I am with people with similiar interest lol

[clear aspen]

Feel free to look at the pinned messages for a bunch of decks to take inspiration from!

[spring narwhal]

I took a look at yours and it looks so cool! I love the unique cards that I haven’t thought of and I will consider

I especially like the flavor/theme of the cards too. I sort of lost my way in that regards and definitely want to fix that

[sturdy tiger]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8356667/counter_blessings

I suppose I'll throw my list here too

[spring narwhal]

waht does maybe board mean?

[spring narwhal]

Also I really like your deck. It is super different than mine and seems much more stronger than mine in the sense of a stronger board pressence

I do wish I had an esper sential

[sand island]

Cards that will maybe go in your deck

[pastel agate]

A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON

(Welcome fellow bumbler!)

[spring narwhal]

Gotcha I didn’t know that

[spring narwhal]

Thank you lol, I love improving my deck especially this one

[pastel agate]

Make sure to check out the pinned messages to see the everyone else’s lists

[spring narwhal]

I have looked at a few peoples list already. I definitely feel out knowledged lol but it’s all good. I love the many ways you can play the deck

[pastel agate]

Absolutely! It’s why we have such a fervent following of people haha

[sand island]

A bunch of bumbling buffoons

[spring narwhal]

the first time I ever got this deck is actually all by luck too.

I assumed that this was the only deck on the shelf at walmart and after purchasing it, i realized there was another one, but at that point, i was like whatever, a cute bunny deck is okay

[sand island]

The bunny life chose you

It was fate

[spring narwhal]

You are right, it was fate. no complaints from me

[clear aspen]

Half my decks are cause they are cute no judgement here

[spring narwhal]

I bought my first ever deck and the exact same day like 30 minutes later, I bought bumbleflower so my friend and I could 1v1. I will not lie, I had a bias and didnt think this deck wouldnt hold up compared to the other deck. But this deck is way more fun for sure

[tribal temple]

finally gettring around to pinning my deck. My group hasn't been playing as much lately so I haven't gotten a bumble game in, in almost 2 months 😦

+1/+1 Bumble

https://archidekt.com/decks/9101618/ms_bumbleflower

I think someone else needs to pin it for me

[sand island]

Yeah, Umaru will get around to it. Only those with permission can pin.

[pastel agate]

Gottem

[spring narwhal]

Does anyone else’s play group consider your bumble deck a fake group hug deck?

[pastel agate]

I never purport my bumbleflower to be group hug.

In fact I usually (jokingly) say that bumbleflower gives away cards so people can keep up with her

[tribal temple]

I dont consider mine group hug

I only really give out cards using her. Everything else only benefits me 😅

I also noticed I run a lot more lands than most of the other pinned decks. I think I ave 38 lands and like 2-4 MDFCs

[pastel agate]

I run 36 lands inclusive of mdfcs

[tribal temple]

😲

Do you ever run into issues hitting your land drops the first 6 or so turns?

[pastel agate]

Nope, usually it’s fine

Gameplay loop wants to get bumble out ASAP, then start double spelling every turn, so if I have that I’m good to go

[sand island]

Bumble's card draw is enough where you really have no issues finding lands

[sand island]

In agreement with the others, bumble isn't really a group hug commander by necessity. Although you could build her as one. Targeted card draw is far more powerful than group hug that helps everyone at the table.

[tribal temple]

The reason I didn't go the group hug route is because that usually takes you down the alt wincon path, and I dont have a ton of fun with those

[modest lion]

Bumble can be built as a Group Hug deck, but most people tend to build her without that in mind at all. You'll see a lot more mean Bumble decks than hug ones.

I built mine along the pure hug route, as much as possible. You're looking for alt win cons or late game board states that are just too big to deal with.

Funny enough, even though I had 30-ish cards that could benefit someone other than me at the time, I had people complaining at me that it wasn't group hug enough. Some people just like to complain.

[spring narwhal]

I think the best part of my deck when I can pull it off, is to help everyone draw their cards (group hug). I like it when they draw their cards and then have to discard them all at the end 😂.

But I do like how many different avenues she can go down and be played as

[sand island]

May I suggest [[forced fruition]] then?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/66/forced-fruition

Forced Fruition <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards.
"Petals within petals within petals, tadpole. The truth lurks below an opulence of illusion." —Neerdiv, fallowsage

[sand island]

I'm slowly but surely brewing a mill bumbleflower

[wintry pine]

Hey Guys 🫡
I'm new on the channel and have read a lot about Ms. Bumbleflower here and how you could build her which are a lot of different routes.
I have searched long now for a new Commander Deck but can't find any strong and fun ones to play but here. GOSH this commander seems to have a lot of potential.

So my question is .. from the Decklists here posted what would you guys say is the "best" Strongest one for a Commander Bracket 3 kind of playgroup? 🙂

Let's bumble 😄

[sand island]

I don't think I'd say there's one "best" way to build her.

[clear aspen]

Yea I just think they are all different. i think alot of us are going more voltron with her but it’s a pretty diverse commander that you can take many different ways

[pastel agate]

It’s whatever speaks to you!

[wintry pine]

Yeah I flew over a lot of Decklists so far and they are really all different.
But since I don't want to combo or play stax I think the best route for me maybe is just +1/+1 counters since my playgroup mostly plays combat based Decks .

Any recommendations for some unique "must play" cards for this commander overall?

[clear aspen]

I really like [[generous patron]]

[sand island]

Stuff like [[freestrider lookout]] is pretty staple-y

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/70/generous-patron

Generous Patron <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Advisor
When this creature enters, support 2. (Put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two other target creatures.)
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, draw a card.
1/4

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

[clear aspen]

[[kros defense contractor]] has put in a ton of work for me too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/7/kros-defense-contractor

Kros, Defense Contractor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Cat Advisor
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a shield counter on target creature an opponent controls.
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, tap that creature and goad it. It gains trample until your next turn. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
2/4

[sand island]

Yeah, Kros is cool. I cut him, and the whole goad package, but he's neat.

My favorite card as of late is [[duelist's heritage]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/60/duelists-heritage

Duelist's Heritage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever one or more creatures attack, you may have target attacking creature gain double strike until end of turn.
The best techniques outlive their creators.

[wintry pine]

Okay nice I think I will carefully brew one for my self and maybe get some advice afterwards that's easier I think.
I really do like to put just "good stuff cards" randomly into decks haha like [[Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath]] but not sure if it's fitting or [[Subtlety]] as a free spell maybe?

I will see what I can cook and back again with some Flowers 🙂

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/229/uro-titan-of-natures-wrath

Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elder Giant
When Uro enters, sacrifice it unless it escaped.
Whenever Uro enters or attacks, you gain 3 life and draw a card, then you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Escape—, Exile five other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its escape cost.)
6/6

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/67/subtlety

Subtlety <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elemental Incarnation
Flash
Flying
When this creature enters, choose up to one target creature spell or planeswalker spell. Its owner puts it on their choice of the top or bottom of their library.
Evoke—Exile a blue card from your hand.
3/3

[sand island]

I mean, those both could fit

I usually value synergy pieces over just good cards, but those could both work in whatever deck you're making

[pastel agate]

Free spells go hard with bumble

[spring narwhal]

Trust lol that’s already in the deck😅, I haven’t been able to played that card though yet

[sand island]

I still need to [[fractured identity]] it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/37/fractured-identity

Fractured Identity <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile target nonland permanent. Each player other than its controller creates a token that's a copy of it.
Self-reflection is not without its perils.

[spring narwhal]

Has anyone ever been able to pull Tamiyos Ult before?

For the ones that do run it

[pastel agate]

Yes. Game is over when it happens 99.999% of the time

[sand island]

Usually get it with [[innkeeper's talent]] doubling I assume

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/180/innkeepers-talent

Innkeeper's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.

[wintry pine]

I just got mail and wondered what the Bumbleflower Mains think about this card [[Brightglass Gearhulk]] ?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/191/brightglass-gearhulk

Brightglass Gearhulk <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Construct
First strike, trample
When this creature enters, you may search your library for up to two artifact, creature, and/or enchantment cards with mana value 1 or less, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
"A new day dawns for Avishkar, and we shall draw our power from its light."
4/4

[pastel agate]

99% of the time it’s dreamtide whale

[pastel agate]

If you’ve got particular cards you’re wanting to tutor for it’s great, otherwise it’s fine?

[brazen phoenix]

esper and spore frog

[pastel agate]

Curves well from bumbleflower t3 -> brightglass t4 -> cast 1 drop you tutored for

I’m just trying to think of what all you could get

[crystal quest]

Also grabs hardened scales

[wintry pine]

And also would get exploration and mystic remora, hardended scales and what about walking balista would this work too?

[spring narwhal]

I just looked up Dreamtide whale and that’s actually super cool

[spring narwhal]

Do you know hypothetically if I was able to move one of the time counters onto another creature, would they be sac when it got removed or is that not how that works

[sand island]

Yeah, dreamtide is another staple

[pastel agate]

Not how that works

Vanishing is the thing that removes counters and also sacrifices the thing

[pastel agate]

Ooh.

You’ve convinced me

It’s solid

[sand island]

Where is the room for it though?

[wintry pine]

What about the upcoming Commander unbans ?
Could this be unbanned for todays current powerlevel 😮
[[Prophet of Kruphix]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ths/199/prophet-of-kruphix

Prophet of Kruphix <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Untap all creatures and lands you control during each other player's untap step.
You may cast creature spells as though they had flash.
"Time is fluid as a dance, and truth as fleeting."
2/3

[sand island]

Hopefully they don't unban anything

and ban sol ring

[spring narwhal]

I hope they don’t ban sol ring I just got the future sight of it lol

[sand island]

Sol ring is so bad for casual commander

There's a lightyear's difference between having it early and not.

[wintry pine]

Did someone here already tested or consider [[Submerge]]?
Just found it while going through bulk and also found a [[Carpet of Flowers]] and a [[Seedborn Muse]] and a [[Hadana's Climb]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/nem/48/submerge

Submerge <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
If an opponent controls a Forest and you control an Island, you may cast this spell without paying its mana cost.
Put target creature on top of its owner's library.

https://scryfall.com/card/usg/240/carpet-of-flowers

Carpet of Flowers <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each of your main phases, if you haven't added mana with this ability this turn, you may add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of Islands target opponent controls.

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/186/seedborn-muse

Seedborn Muse <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Spirit
Untap all permanents you control during each other player's untap step.
"Her voice is the wilderness, savage and pure." —Kamahl, druid acolyte
2/4

https://scryfall.com/card/rix/158/hadanas-climb-winged-temple-of-orazca

Hadana's Climb <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control. Then if that creature has three or more +1/+1 counters on it, transform Hadana's Climb.
Hadana seeks power in the service of peace.

Winged Temple of Orazca
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Hadana's Climb.)
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Target creature you control gains flying and gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is its power.

[sand island]

seedborn muse is obviously crazy

[crystal quest]

Submerge is exceptional in almost every pod - someone’s probably running green. And if they’re not, just include [[yavimaya forest]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/377/yavimaya-cradle-of-growth

Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth

Legendary Land
Each land is a Forest in addition to its other land types.
Pippin thought he saw groves of trees moving. Could it be that the trees of Fangorn were awake, and the forest was rising, marching over the hills to war?

[crystal quest]

It’s honestly one of my fave removal spells

[sand island]

Yeah, it's probably free a majority of the time

[tall blaze]

So this is my theorycrafted list, never built or played, but I'm gonna start working towards it. Biggest blocker right now is the landbase and some of the pricy land-based cards

https://moxfield.com/decks/2RmuALLqyka_1CPFLrHqvA

eg boseiju

[half ice]

I play [[ravenous rumble]] in my list over any 2 mana ramp spell. Such an underrated card

[brave folio]

No card found for “ravenous rumble”

[half ice]

[[malevolent rumble]] sorry i was working on my gitrog ravenous ride deck

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/161/malevolent-rumble

Malevolent Rumble <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Reveal the top four cards of your library. You may put a permanent card from among them into your hand. Put the rest into your graveyard. Create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
What emerged from Turntimber was even more twisted than the forest itself.

[sand island]

That's not ramp though

It seems decent, especially with graveyard synergy, but it's not quite the same as land ramp.

[half ice]

surely not but with a decent land base it still makes me cast bumble on turn 3. Biggest upside is that it's such a better card to draw than fareseek or similar cards after turn 3

[sand island]

How much 2 mana ramp do you run?

[half ice]

https://moxfield.com/decks/2U-reFF9jEWUlA3sdPemcw

I think I’m around 10 pieces of 2 cmc or less

[spring narwhal]

I got some possible upgrades to my deck, one of them being hullbreaker horror. What do we think about that

To me it does have good synergy but it cost so much

[sand island]

It is really good, and lets you singlehandedly take control of the game

But the mv is so high, it's hard to double spell with'

[spring narwhal]

That is fair it’s a potential add for sure, might have to see it in a game or two too determine

[tall blaze]

I run a pretty heavy ramp package so the high cost doesn't spook too badly

[wintry pine]

Currently brewing on my deck and trying to find some cuts.
What do we think of this card here so our gifts are not completely free?
[[Scrawling Crawler]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/132/scrawling-crawler

Scrawling Crawler <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Construct
At the beginning of your upkeep, each player draws a card.
Whenever an opponent draws a card, that player loses 1 life.
It spreads the machine gospel of New Phyrexia, its task incomplete until all surrender to perfection.
3/2

[pastel agate]

Not a fan - usually those cards put a lot of heat on you, and you also don’t wanna feed them cards that you can’t control

[wintry pine]

Yeah true and while brewing and looking through other Decks as well I don't understand why everyone runs so much counterspells I understand the goal of this commander to play 2 spells a turn if possible and with that much counterspells don't you end up just gifting cards ?

[pastel agate]

You would typically follow it up with something else like a draw spell

So you hit that second one

Although casting 2 on everyone’s turn is a pretty specific build that doesn’t play out well imo

[wintry pine]

So its more a balancing act between if I want to double spell in my turn and get in for combat and protecting my stuff wisely?
I'm brewing one atm but want to go more into the +1/+1 combat build I think but really don't get the Deck so far how its playing out and "winning" 😄

[pastel agate]

Yeah, basically you’re accruing value, double spelling, and controlling the board until your board state overwhelms the rest of the table

It happens much quicker than you’d think

That’s how I built mine, anyway.

A few big turning points for my deck are:

• landing a hardened scales effect or two
• stopping/protecting from a board wipe
• board wiping (mine are all completely or nearly asymmetrical)

Once I hit 2 of those 3 I’m usually far enough ahead to close out the game

[wintry pine]

Okay nice then I will have a closer look on your list I guess 🙂
Thanks for the tips (Y)

[wintry pine]

Does someone know if [[Brightglass Gearhulk]] can find a [[Mockingbird]] don't know about the X Spells how they see their mana value?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/191/brightglass-gearhulk

Brightglass Gearhulk <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Construct
First strike, trample
When this creature enters, you may search your library for up to two artifact, creature, and/or enchantment cards with mana value 1 or less, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
"A new day dawns for Avishkar, and we shall draw our power from its light."
4/4

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/61/mockingbird

Mockingbird <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Bird Bard
Flying
You may have this creature enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield with mana value less than or equal to the amount of mana spent to cast this creature, except it's a Bird in addition to its other types and it has flying.
"Laughing at you? No, no, I'm laughing as you!"
1/1

[pastel agate]

Yes it can search for mockingbird

Tbh mockingbird is one of those that keeps popping up as “man this is really good”

I’d argue phantasmal image is also good but you can’t give it counters

[modest lion]

That would work! Because it put it into your hand, you're fine. if it were to put it right onto the battlefield, then you'd run into issues where X was 0 and thus the effect is reduced.

[wintry pine]

Okay okay good to know I think I will try it out in my first Bumble Deck 😄

[sand island]

Yeah, mockingbird is cool

The new gearhulks are so pip heavy though

[spring narwhal]

I upgraded my deck, and I cant wait to test it out. I do think that I put some recommendations that yall said and try to apply it. I am interesting in what yall think about this card I added. I think there could be some merit with it but who knows. [[Xolatoyac, the smiling flood]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/8/xolatoyac-the-smiling-flood

Xolatoyac, the Smiling Flood <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Salamander Serpent
Whenever Xolatoyac enters or attacks, put a flood counter on target land. That land is an Island in addition to its other types for as long as it has a flood counter on it.
At the beginning of your end step, untap each permanent you control with a counter on it.
6/6

[sand island]

Seems okay as a [[seedborne muse]] at home

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/186/seedborn-muse

Seedborn Muse <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Spirit
Untap all permanents you control during each other player's untap step.
"Her voice is the wilderness, savage and pure." —Kamahl, druid acolyte
2/4

[spring narwhal]

wait yeah, yours is just better

[pastel agate]

It’s really not

Just run [[awakening]] instead

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/sth/101/awakening

Awakening <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each upkeep, untap all creatures and lands.
"There are times when destiny calls forth a people and demands an action. Now is the time. We are the people. This is our action. Charge!" —Eladamri, Lord of Leaves

[pastel agate]

[[$awakening]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/sth/101/awakening

Prices for Awakening

The List

$5.63 • €4.38

Stronghold

$5.80 • €3.41 • 0.84 TIX

[pastel agate]

eh, ‘bout the same actually

[[$seedborn muse]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/186/seedborn-muse

Prices for Seedborn Muse

The List

$8.50

Secret Lair Drop

$42.25

Murders at Karlov Manor Commander

$9.84 • €7.56 • 0.39 TIX

Commander Collection: Green

$11.51 • €7.69 • 0.33 TIX

Commander 2019

$8.68 • €7.27

Battlebond

$8.86 • €8.42

Tenth Edition

$10.29 • €7.36 • 0.02 TIX

Ninth Edition

$13.94 • €7.34 • 0.03 TIX

Ninth Edition

$48.00

Legions

$21.05 • €8.29 • 0.15 TIX

[pastel agate]

Ish

[sand island]

About half

More resilient as an enchantment too eh

Ohh it does all creatures and lands though

Interesting

It could be a wild game with that and tidal barracuda lmao

[wintry pine]

I just found this card as well [[Vnwxt, Verbose Host]] early drop and with our flyers we really get the step going fast?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/73/vnwxt-verbose-host

Vnwxt, Verbose Host <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Homunculus
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
You have no maximum hand size.
Max speed — If you would draw a card, draw two cards instead.
"Racers! Start! Your! Engiiiiiines!"
0/4

[pastel agate]

Speed as a whole is too slow of a mechanic in my opinion

If you don’t get it down early,
It likely won’t do anything for you

[tall blaze]

This weekend I'm gonna put together as much of my bumbleflower as I can

Will be missing some of the ramp but will swap in alts for now

I do worry that by curve is too heavy on the 4s

[sturdy tiger]

I played in a 3 man pod today and of the 4 games played, I busted out Ms. Bumble once. Was so close to one shotting the Indominus Rex player but just couldn't get there

[wintry pine]

Hey there I finally also brewed one and need help I guess 😄
I need 10 more cuts and if someone could look also over the massive Maybeboard would be nice I own all the cards in the link shown so budget is no limit.

My goal is ot make a +1/+1 counter Deck with her and try to get political and steal the win somehow 🙂

Currently my table does not want to make a lot of deals but maybe with this commander I could make it work out somehow.

Here is my Decklist:
https://archidekt.com/decks/11484851/thumble_into_flowers

[sand island]

I don't think I'm a huge narset fan

I don't think I like Ezuri's Predation

It mostly seems fine.

I think I prefer [[dreamtide whale]] over metastatic evangel

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/59/dreamtide-whale

Dreamtide Whale <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Whale
Vanishing 2 (This creature enters with two time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from it. When the last is removed, sacrifice it.)
Whenever a player casts their second spell each turn, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
7/5

[clear aspen]

What do you plan to flash out with leyline of anticipation?

[sand island]

Everything

Having flash on things feels very good.

You do have a very high quantity of instants as it is though

[tribal temple]

Has anyone tried any of the aetherdrift cards yet? Im going to the cardshop today and wondering if I should snag any

[tribal temple]

My table doesn't make deals either, so what I do is say, Im going to go around the table in order giving people cards until they do something to slight me and then they wont get any more cards

That way they dont feel like they are making a deal, but they also will give me more leeway because they dont want to stop gettingn cards when everyone else is getting them

[sand island]

Both gearhulks look good

and Sab Sunan as well might be okay

[tribal temple]

I might add ripetide gearhulk to bumble and my [[Zinnia]] deck. The only issue with [[ripetide]] is I dont really have a way to flicker it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/4/zinnia-valleys-voice

Zinnia, Valley's Voice <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Bird Bard
Flying
Zinnia gets +X/+0, where X is the number of other creatures you control with base power 1.
Creature spells you cast have offspring . (You may pay an additional as you cast a creature spell. If you do, when that creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
1/3

No card found for “ripetide”

[tribal temple]

[[riptide gearhulk]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/219/riptide-gearhulk

Riptide Gearhulk <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Double strike
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
When this creature enters, for each opponent, put up to one target nonland permanent that player controls into its owner's library third from the top.
2/5

[sand island]

It might just be good without flickering tbh

[tribal temple]

yeah double strike flying is strong

[sand island]

Doublestrike prowess is one hell of a combo.

[tribal temple]

Its just even better if you can flicker

[sand island]

For sure

The selesnya gearhulk is good too. To fetch up hardened scales and other 1 drops if you have them.

Those really are the only 3 I'd consider from the set. Maybe Aetherspark too, but meh.

I actually only have 1 1 drop lmao

[[brightglass gearhulk]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/191/brightglass-gearhulk

Brightglass Gearhulk <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Construct
First strike, trample
When this creature enters, you may search your library for up to two artifact, creature, and/or enchantment cards with mana value 1 or less, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
"A new day dawns for Avishkar, and we shall draw our power from its light."
4/4

[tribal temple]

I didnt even think of grapping hardened scales

Aetherspark is too expensive for my tastes.

[sand island]

I don't run the stapley cards like esper sentinel, sol ring, shadowspear, etc, so I don't think it'd be too good for me

[tribal temple]

These are my only 1 drops but even then, they are very good

[sand island]

Yeah, getting two of those would be stronk

[tribal temple]

My group also cut all of our sol rings, they make the games too swingy

[sand island]

Yeah, sol ring is so bad for casual commander

It peeves me that it has an untouchable status

[tribal temple]

yeah same. Our games got way better since we cut them

[sand island]

One person shooting ahead randomly because of it definitely makes games feel a lot worse.

It being "just 1 in 99" makes the problem worse, not better. If everyone had 10 fast mana cards, then you'd see them every game, and everyone would be ramping equally.

(I don't like fast mana in general though)

Excuse my daily sol ring rant

[tribal temple]

Im with you. Its way to random and the power is way to great. If it was more consistant it wouldnt feel so bad

[sand island]

First strike, trample on brightglass is also real good

given Bumble's pumping power

[wicked cove]

To those with a little more experience regarding the best bunny. I am thinking about playing the deck right out of the box. But if I wanted to make an impactful upgrade with little changes. What should I focus on? My precon is not here, so sadly I cannot test for myself yet.. Any suggestions?

[solemn hamlet]

Just found out about Homunculus Horde that card is so funny

[pastel agate]

Sab sunen crazy good

[tribal temple]

I was gonna pick that up today! Now im starting to wonder how many 5+ mana drops I can fit because of Sab and the gearhulks lol

[tribal temple]

add any +1/+1 synergy and cut all the cards that allow your opponents to play extra lands

giveing your opponents extra cards AND extra lands is just a good way to lose the game

[clear aspen]

I ended up cutting it cause It never really gave me much value. You are welcome to try it though!

[clear aspen]

Omg this is so true that lady grew to a 24/24 for me with 2 counter doublers out and Ms. Bumbleflower stuck in the command zone! Crazy good.

[wicked cove]

Good to know, thank you 🙂

[wintry pine]

Kind of everything but mostly creatures or cheap entchantments I guess but yeah need to make a few cuts anyway. Currently trying to figure out what are the top 5 cards in each category for this deck 🙂

[wintry pine]

Yeah seems a good approach for me as well 🙂

[modest lion]

I've wanted to put the alt-art (lil critters squeezed against the glass) of this in the deck just because I think it's hysterical.

It's not raelly good enough to hang around if you're trying to power the deck up, and doesn't really fulfill a group hug role if you're doing that, but it's a hysterical card.

[tribal temple]

I think I bumbled a little too hard last night. My table said the bunny is kill on sight now

[sand island]

Oh noo!

[pastel agate]

G A M E R S

LETS

FUCKING

GOOOOO

I paid $0 for this

[sturdy tiger]

Did you actually

[sand island]

He traded in cards for it iirc

[sturdy tiger]

That must've been some insane trading up

If that price tag is real

[pastel agate]

Price tag is very real

I’m still shaking a bit

[sand island]

Okay, now set it on fire

[pastel agate]

Journey’s End games is honestly such a great company, they had a trade in rate on their non hotlist cards of 95-115 tcglow

[pastel agate]

No u

[sand island]

Okay, come over here big boy

Pretty card though, congrats on the find and the deal

Are you going to keep it in a case of some sort?

[pastel agate]

Don’t tempt me with a good time dawg

[pastel agate]

Yeah, gamegenic has a sidekick kinda thing that’s a hardshell

[sturdy tiger]

Welcome to the Raised Foil gang my brother

[pastel agate]

Thanks! I can’t wait to jam with it today

[sturdy tiger]

Are all your shocks expeditions? Kinda jealous of that ngl

[pastel agate]

I’ve been in the raised foil gang with Muerra, but the Bumbleflower was my white whale

[pastel agate]

Not yet! Just the temple garden, and I also got a misty just now

[sturdy tiger]

That's insane, she's really skyrocketed out of nowhere

[pastel agate]

Yeah, she crept up and up and up from the $300 she started at

She’e likely to just keep going and going too

[sturdy tiger]

I remember when a friend of mine sold her on prerelease for what was the equivalent of $150

Probably 120 actually

[pastel agate]

RIP

[spring narwhal]

How sooooo teach me your ways

Also do you guys know if there are any worth getting cards in the new set coming out (dragon tarkir set?)

[pastel agate]

There’s sure to be some solid ones. I’m primarily looking for the final fantasy bant precon

[spring narwhal]

I see that’s fair, honestly I can’t wait to see some new cards to add.

[sand island]

Yeah, Tidus might be pretty nice

[spring narwhal]

Could anyoen go through my deck please? I’m thinking of cutting some cards but I do not know which ones seems either redundant or unnecessary. I would like another perspective

[pastel agate]

Gamers, I am here to remind you to run [[court of garenbrig]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/woc/25/court-of-garenbrig

Court of Garenbrig <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, you become the monarch.
At the beginning of your upkeep, distribute two +1/+1 counters among up to two target creatures. Then if you're the monarch, double the number of +1/+1 counters on each creature you control.

[pastel agate]

it has single handedly won me so many games, including one today

[solemn hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

Wow her price has gone mad 😭

[pastel agate]

Right?? I had to trade like half my bulk binder and a few huge hitters out of my big boy binder

[tall blaze]

Congratulations on the success! What did you trade for it?

I've never traded much as I have no idea how to find people with cards I want... and also historically whenever I've traded away a card, I've later needed it for a deck so I don't even know what to trade away

[finite schooner]

ok, hear me out

what if

mill politics

making them draw 2 is kinda mill 2

you could loop fog effects to continue alive until they mill out

it would make so you wins take a lot of time though

@pastel agate any thoughts on this?

[sand island]

Yeah we've been discussing mill a little bit off and on

Probably not full mill, but partial

[finite schooner]

i might use her for a turbo fog deck

[modest lion]

I would just like to say that one of the most memorable games I've ever played was an Archenemy game where the Archenemy player had a fog effect 6 times in a row, completely keeping us from hitting them. Every turn was, "He can't have another one, right?".

So, I highly support anyone going full fog with a deck. Especially since it technically fits the group hug dynamic, because it can stop others from being hurt, too.

[sand island]

Fogs are great

Even without going turbofog

[[selfless squire]] is so good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/82/selfless-squire

Selfless Squire <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Flash
When this creature enters, prevent all damage that would be dealt to you this turn.
Whenever damage that would be dealt to you is prevented, put that many +1/+1 counters on this creature.
1/1

[finite schooner]

yeah i think you all convinced me to make a turbo fog deck that has mill as a win con

[sand island]

What's that expensive fog with buyback?

[finite schooner]

the one that you sacrifice a land?

[sand island]

[[constant mists]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/sth/104/constant-mists

Constant Mists <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Buyback—Sacrifice a land. (You may sacrifice a land in addition to any other costs as you cast this spell. If you do, put this card into your hand as it resolves.)
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.

[sand island]

[[$constant mists]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/sth/104/constant-mists

Prices for Constant Mists

Magic Online Theme Decks

0.29 TIX

World Championship Decks 1999

$10.02 • €6.91

Stronghold

$12.18 • €10.36 • 0.22 TIX

[sand island]

Oh, not that expensive actually

[finite schooner]

i think the biggest problem is it not being available in foil

[sand island]

[[moment's peace]] is pretty good too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ody/251/moments-peace

Moment's Peace <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

[sand island]

I put a fog in nearly every deck

[finite schooner]

neat SLD art

yeah i will brew this deck after i'm done brewing the other 3 decks i thought in brew

[solemn hamlet]

genuinely one of the best cards for the deck. seriously.

It's so easy to swing a game with Selfless squire and then just casting a spell on your turn w/ bumbleflower out to make it flying

[pastel agate]

Bumble has a surprisingly low winrate at magic con!

Good threat assessment abound

I also popped off way too early a couple times which led to me being dealt with, in addition to playing against a suuper good [[marvo]] list that would make pontiff proud

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/7/marvo-deep-operative

Marvo, Deep Operative <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Octopus Rogue
Whenever Marvo attacks, clash with defending player. (Each clashing player reveals the top card of their library, then puts that card on the top or bottom. A player wins if their card had a higher mana value.)
Whenever you win a clash, draw a card. Then you may cast a spell from your hand with mana value 8 or less without paying its mana cost.
1/8

[sand island]

Clashing seems so pog

[tall blaze]

[[psychic corrosion]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/m19/68/psychic-corrosion

Psychic Corrosion <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever you draw a card, each opponent mills two cards.
"To break another's mind is to deliver a fate worse than death. It is a terrifying power." —Jace Beleren

[wicked cove]

[[Rhystic Study]] a card that would be okay in the bunny deck?

[brave folio]

No card found for “Rystic Studies”

[vast hedge]

Rhystic study is a good card in any deck my man.

[solemn hamlet]

Yes

[tribal temple]

Did people just know how to deal with her and kill her early? Or what was the biggest issue you had

[pastel agate]

I kinda kept not great hands, or I got dealt with with a well timed board wipe after getting too greedy developing my board

[spring narwhal]

Wait this card might have to be added to my deck

[sand island]

I'll convert my deck into a mill deck tonight I think

I kinda want that new frog artifact from aetherdrift though

[spring narwhal]

A mill deck sounds super fun I won’t lie

When do we think we will get a bloomberrow remastered lol. I’m looking forward to it

[tall blaze]

I worry I might end up just turning bumbleflower into generic simic bs with some white for extra removal

Ramp hard draw hard

[modest lion]

Just be careful with mill effects - most people hate milling, even if it's a relatively slow win con, etc. It just draws people's hate, in many pods. I had Psychic Corrosion in my deck just to play around with it and see if that was a route I wanted to go. It drew hate every time - not great when I'm trying to play a "fly under the radar" deck.

So, just play it with intent and know what reaction you might get. No wrong answers.

However, [[!Psychic Possession]] is a blast that doesn't draw hate, in my experience.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dis/30/psychic-possession

Psychic Possession

[sand island]

Yeah, psychic possession is great

I'm already the archenemy every game, so it's business as usual

[spring narwhal]

That card is already in my deck, I do love it a lot and tend to get a lot of value

And of course, people don’t like milk and I get that might get a negative reaction. I will play it with caution

[sand island]

Mmm milk

[spring narwhal]

Hahaha I mean mill

Milk is good too

[sand island]

Maybe those who hate mill are just lactose intolerant

[spring narwhal]

Very interesting idea, I will test this the next time I play with my group

[sand island]

Mill package assembled

Added these cards to help:

The idea is for the mill to be based off my card draw hopefully. Sun Titan is meant to recur the important 3 mana enchantments for that.

I also already run forced fruition and such though

[pastel agate]

Nothing wrong with that!

Pretty much what I did at first

[pastel agate]

Based, lemme know how it goes. Remember to include the mindskinner

Oh cool, you did get it

[pastel agate]

Also [[teferi’s tutelage]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/78/teferis-tutelage

Teferi's Tutelage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, draw a card, then discard a card.
Whenever you draw a card, target opponent mills two cards. (They put the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.)
"Tarassel's sixth law of temporal recursion is easy to understand as long as you know the first seven."

[pastel agate]

you’re still drawing a lot

I’d also recommend running [[thraben charm]] if you’re going the mill route

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/45/thraben-charm

Thraben Charm <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Choose one —
• Thraben Charm deals damage equal to twice the number of creatures you control to target creature.
• Destroy target enchantment.
• Exile any number of target players' graveyards.

[sand island]

Oh true, those are both good

I was considering RIP, since I already own a copy

Plus I love wilds of eldraine art [[rest in peace | WOT]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/wot/12/rest-in-peace

Rest in Peace <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, exile all graveyards.
If a card or token would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead.
"The king ordered those lost in sleep be placed in glass gaskets, protected and watched in case they might one day wake." —The Wicked Slumber

[pastel agate]

Yeah I’d slot rip in mill

[sand island]

I think it's really the only place that makes sense

Unless you want to just randomly say fuck you to GY decks

[pastel agate]

Nah, I’d only run it here

[sand island]

Cultivator colossus is so hot

It just reads as a draw your whole deck

Especially with bouncelands lol

[pastel agate]

Well, he doesn’t play very nice with the bouncelands

[sand island]

If you have 2, don't you just draw out if you want?

[pastel agate]

No

[sand island]

Ohh I see

[pastel agate]

The triggers for the bounce lands don’t go on the stack until the ability fully resolves

[sand island]

Gotcha

[pastel agate]

Since the ETB is all one thing, then yeah. Nothing happens until you’re done doing it

[sand island]

^^ That makes me happy tbh

Dammit, I need to put fractured identity back in

[tall blaze]

Woo my second copy of the bloomburrow precons is in

Now I can always have an untouched bumbleflower

For when I play precon games

[tall blaze]

Back to crafting bumbleflower... trying to get maximum power out of her, probably high bracket 3 or somewhere in bracket 4

But I'm still wondering what the win con is other than just big flying beaters

Or... maybe that's all you need

[sand island]

I think I hate brackets now lol

[tall blaze]

I'm used to playing a style where I never attack, until the turn I win, where I attack for 300 damage

But I guess bumbleflower should be chipping more with that big flying bunny butt

[sand island]

What do you want to do with bumbleflower?

[tall blaze]

Give out cards to balance out the game so nobody has a "non game" is the main motivation. Also draw a crapload of cards.

Lab man could be a fun win con but I can't see myself consistently drawing out

[sand island]

IDK, a lot of the time it's not chip damage, but a single bunny butt that hits for the win

[tall blaze]

Gotta do that 3 times though

[sand island]

It's not extremely difficult to run through drawing out

[tall blaze]

I want to basically just do simic ramping and drawing loads stuff, and then I guess use the cards and mana to win

[sand island]

No you don't. Just have your opponents kill each other

[tall blaze]

I struggle with that in Zimone and kind of see the same here but maybe not since bumble has that evasive vigilance

[sand island]

Stuff like [[misleading signpost]] is very good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/woc/11/misleading-signpost

Misleading Signpost <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
Flash
When this artifact enters during the declare attackers step, you may reselect which player or permanent target attacking creature is attacking. (It can't attack its controller or their permanents.)
: Add .

[tribal temple]

Honestly my table just scoops before I have to hit them each to kill them

Ill get such a strong board state that they realize they wont be able to interact with it

[tall blaze]

Lmao I love that

[tall blaze]

Why can't they interact?

[sand island]

He has all the cards and mana

And maybe a hullbreaker horror

[tribal temple]

Hullbreaker or

she goes infinite with bumble

[sand island]

Yeah she's great too

I used to run both, but they were kinda too oppressive, and didn't really fit my plan of drawing half a billion cards

[tall blaze]

I run both (in my theoretical deck) and expect them to be really annoying

Looking for some trample enablers. Maybe [[Shadowspear]] for when flying just isn't enough?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/236/shadowspear

Shadowspear <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has trample and lifelink.
: Permanents your opponents control lose hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
Equip
A weapon of darkness for a warrior of light.

[sand island]

I've never once felt that trample was needed

[tribal temple]

You dont need anything except bumbles flying counter

Ive never felt the need for extra invasion

[sand island]

I still run [[rogue's passage]] just in case

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/264/rogues-passage

Rogue's Passage

Land
: Add .
, : Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
Rumors quickly spread among thieves about a labyrinth without walls and a prize beyond all measures of worth.

[sand island]

The best trample is [[sergeant Benton]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/157/sergeant-john-benton

Sergeant John Benton <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Trample, haste
Share Intelligence — Whenever Sergeant John Benton deals combat damage to a player, you and that player each draw that many cards.
"Anyway, nothing to do with you surprises me anymore, Doctor."
2/4

[tall blaze]

What do you guys do about hand size limits? Reliquary tower is a given, but there are a couple of others and not sure which to go for

Hmm I should cut lightning greaves. Shroud on bumbleflower kind of defeats the point.

[sand island]

I run reliquary tower, thought vessel, decanter of endless water, proft's eidetic memory

Yeah, I don't run boots

[tall blaze]

Swiftfoot still seems like a good idea

[tribal temple]

I am not really a fan of boots

[sand island]

We don't really need haste for anything

[tribal temple]

espeically in blue decks because Ill just counter anything you throw at her. Plus bumble has green so you ramp so her dying isn't a huge deal

[sand island]

Yeah, my protection exists in phasing out and counterspells

Unwind and rewind my beloveds

[pastel agate]

Run a control package

It’s easy to kill 3 opponents when they can’t touch you

[pastel agate]

Discard to hand size, dig for [[evolution witness]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/151/evolution-witness

Evolution Witness <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Shaman Mutant
: Adapt 2. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put two +1/+1 counters on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand.
She remembers every breakthrough, from the gene's mutation to the new life's propagation.
2/1

[tall blaze]

I have 19 pieces of removal so far

I'm starting to really love [[Shigeki, Jukai Visionary]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/198/shigeki-jukai-visionary

Shigeki, Jukai Visionary <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — Snake Druid
, , Return Shigeki to its owner's hand: Reveal the top four cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest into your graveyard.
Channel — , Discard this card: Return X target nonlegendary cards from your graveyard to your hand.
1/3

[sand island]

Shigeki is great

[tall blaze]

It's just such powerful recursion

I never see the card anywhere

[sand island]

I run it in two of my decks

[tall blaze]

In Zimone it's just an instant win card for me

Mid game getting all the best stuff out of my bin is wild

[sand island]

It's not awful ramp either

Basically a [[claim jumper]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/8/claim-jumper

Claim Jumper <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Rabbit Mercenary
Vigilance
When this creature enters, if an opponent controls more lands than you, you may search your library for a Plains card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Then if an opponent controls more lands than you, repeat this process once. If you search your library this way, shuffle.
3/3

[sand island]

Sorry, [[clifftop lookout]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/168/clifftop-lookout

Clifftop Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Frog Scout
Reach
When this creature enters, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a land card. Put that card onto the battlefield tapped and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
1/2

[pastel agate]

I never really like shigeki’s non-channel ability

[sand island]

It's kinda like an expensive steve that mills for me - if played on curve

Channeling is definitely what you put it in your deck for, yeah

It's just the modular ability which is nice

[tall blaze]

I've never used it. I just like it for the hard to interact with recursion and mana dump

[pastel agate]

True

[pastel agate]

@sand island, 3lamog in millflower?

[[ulamog|mh3]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/15/ulamog-the-defiler

Ulamog, the Defiler <:mana10:292901508851302400>

Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
When you cast this spell, target opponent exiles the top half of their library, rounded up.
Ward—Sacrifice two permanents.
Ulamog enters with a number of +1/+1 counters on it equal to the greatest mana value among cards in exile.
Ulamog has annihilator X, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on it.
7/7

[sand island]

10 is so steep though

It is cute

I like the idea of shoehorning in eldrazi in non-eldrazi decks

But i have no way of cheating it, so probably a pass

[[$ulamog the defiler]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/15/ulamog-the-defiler

Prices for Ulamog, the Defiler

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$33.39

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[sand island]

Also spendy

I'd rather get a portal to phyrexia for one of my other decks tbh

[tall blaze]

I have three copies of it so I might run it

The bumble synergy!

[sand island]

10 mana is so much though

There's no way you could double spell it

The counter synergy is cool though

[sand island]

I need to put [[riverchurn monument]] in

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/57/riverchurn-monument

Riverchurn Monument <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
, : Any number of target players each mill two cards. (Each of them puts the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.)
Exhaust — , : Any number of target players each mill cards equal to the number of cards in their graveyard. (Activate each exhaust ability only once.)

[sand island]

good with the untap walker guy

Oh, it;'s exhaust, so I guess that part doesn't matter

[[deepmuck desparado]] is decent too eh

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/42/deepmuck-desperado

Deepmuck Desperado <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Homarid Mercenary
Whenever you commit a crime, each opponent mills three cards. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
"Heard you've been horning in on my turf. How about I introduce you to some surf?"
2/4

[solemn hamlet]

I'm feeling like tuning up my list a bit

I probably don't need Evo Witness AND Skullwinder... Also the Second Doctor has kind of been off my radar

[modest lion]

I once considered Ulamog and his pals in my Omo deck (I pulled Ulamog from a pack and got excited), but I'm trying to keep it a lower power Maze's End wincon deck. So even though I've got plenty of mana and it's a great use of it, he's a little out of place in my "I might win eventually" deck.

[tribal temple]

@solemn hamlet I was actually thinking of trying a deck in your style. My group has caught on to my deck so I think its time for a change soon and yours looked fun. Whats your typical win con?

Survive until th 1v1?

[solemn hamlet]

Yep, most of the time. My build is a very defensive playstyle. Since it's wincon is very open-ended, its success kind of relies on moves your opponents make. Stuff like [[Reins of Power]] can end the game on the spot, though.
You've gotta really slap people hard when they try to interact with your stuff, and encourage them to look elsewhere. That can be tough if you don't have a politically inclined table, though.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/734/reins-of-power

Reins of Power <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Untap all creatures you control and all creatures target opponent controls. You and that opponent each gain control of all creatures the other controls until end of turn. Those creatures gain haste until end of turn.

[solemn hamlet]

Sorry if that doesn't exactly answer your question. But it really does rely on what the other players at the table are bringing imo.

[pastel agate]

That should be used when they’re at 50% of their library

[sand island]

Yeah for sure. But it also has some anti synergy with graveyard hate

[pastel agate]

Second doctor is uncontrolled group hug and I’ve been off that a minute

SLEEPY

DID YOU SEE I GOT THE RAISED FOIL

Dunno why it’s upside down but whatevs

I am still v excited

[sand island]

Damn those are pretty

[pastel agate]

It’s so much prettier in person

[solemn hamlet]

Yes... PEAK!

[solemn hamlet]

Yeah Forgotten ancient is probably coming back in

[pastel agate]

So I’ve had Danny Pink in my list until I find a Pir and Toothy

And tbh it’s been pretty disappointing

Idk why

Just don’t like it

[solemn hamlet]

Danny Pink is a house in my Marchesa deck

[sullen agate]

Long May She Reign! :crown:

[solemn hamlet]

It's definitely slower in Bumble tho

[pastel agate]

Sure, he’s solid in Marchesa

[sullen agate]

Long May She Reign! :crown:

[sand island]

Marchesa marchesa

[sullen agate]

Long May She Reign! :crown:

[pastel agate]

But 4 mana and you gave to cast something after usually sucks

[sand island]

[[Danny Pink]] He just does counters stuff eh?

[pastel agate]

It just checks if it has that text in it, it’s a yes or no not a full parse of the message

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/39/danny-pink

Danny Pink <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Advisor
Mentor (Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature with lesser power.)
Creatures you control have "Whenever one or more counters are put on this creature for the first time each turn, draw a card."
"I don't want to see more things. I want to see the things in front of me more clearly."
4/3

[sand island]

He seems like he'd be really good, hm

The cards with just the regular names from the Dr Who set make me laugh every time.

[pastel agate]

That is another reason yeah

But also, idk

He doesn’t make brain chemical go

So I don’t like

[sand island]

That's valid

I just got the Kami of making mana, so I'm interested in how that'll go

[pastel agate]

Extremely well

Card’s one of the best in the deck

[solemn hamlet]

Quality

[pastel agate]

Hardened scales attached to “tap mana for power” effect is precisely what you want in bumble

[sand island]

Yeah for sure

[pastel agate]

Oh, by the by, I had two games where I got to untap a bounceland and an artifact with [[teferi slows sun]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/245/teferi-who-slows-the-sunset

Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
+1: Choose up to one target artifact, up to one target creature, and up to one target land. Untap the chosen permanents you control. Tap the chosen permanents you don't control. You gain 2 life.
−2: Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
−7: You get an emblem with "Untap all permanents you control during each opponent's untap step" and "You draw a card during each opponent's draw step."
Loyalty: 4

[pastel agate]

Very demure, very mindful

[sand island]

I sorta removed him to put in my mill stuff

Before he had a chance to hit the table, poor fella

He basically paid for himself at that point then eh? Or I guess only cost 1 mana

[pastel agate]

Bumblers

[[smuggler’s surprise]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/180/smugglers-surprise

Smuggler's Surprise <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)

• — Mill four cards. You may put up to two creature and/or land cards from among the milled cards into your hand.
• — You may put up to two creature cards from your hand onto the battlefield.
• — Creatures you control with power 4 or greater gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.

[pastel agate]

thoughts?

[pastel agate]

Yeah, he was really good for that. Ramping the turn he comes down makes him real useful

[pastel agate]

The heroic intervention for big bois seems insane

[sand island]

Yeah Smuggler's Surprise is cool.

I only know it from an MTGGoldfish video where Seth used it to cheat out [[phyrexian obliterator]] as a blocker

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/105/phyrexian-obliterator

Phyrexian Obliterator <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Horror
Trample
Whenever a source deals damage to this creature, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents of their choice.
"Show me what Norn's sycophants are hiding under all that pretty porcelain." —Sheoldred
5/5

[sand island]

[[heroic intervention]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/295/heroic-intervention

Heroic Intervention <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Permanents you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
"Wherever the strong would harm the weak, I will be there." —Ajani Goldmane

[sand island]

Yeah it's a good budget option with extra stuff if you need it

I like Spree cards

[pastel agate]

They’re really good in Muerra too

[modest lion]

You will almost always use it for the last mode, but have the options of the other modes. I love modal cards, and this one is great. I don't run it in Bumble, but I have it in my Kyler deck, I believe.

[pastel agate]

Ooh, that’d be really good for kyler

I’ll text my friend

[modest lion]

I'm a casual Bumbler, but a hardcore Kyler-er.

I think I cut that card just because all my creatures were low CMC, so the other modes weren't really helping me very much. But even just the last mode is a great fit.

[pastel agate]

True true

[clear aspen]

How do we feel about [[minn wily illusionist]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/16/minn-wily-illusionist

Minn, Wily Illusionist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Gnome Wizard
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 1/1 blue Illusion creature token with "This token gets +1/+0 for each other Illusion you control."
Whenever an Illusion you control dies, you may put a permanent card with mana value less than or equal to that creature's power from your hand onto the battlefield.
1/3

[clear aspen]

Seems like it could be pretty good

[modest lion]

I've run it in my Bumble deck for a while, but honestly have only gotten to play it, like, once. I love the card, so I'm keeping it in, but I think it may end up being too slow / weak unless you're playing a lot of instants to draw on everyone's turns (I tend to, but not everyone here has the same deck build).

I built a Minn mono blue deck instead, and have been very happy. She's phenomenal.

[pastel agate]

Could be very good! I’d be down to test it but my thinking is she’d take up a beater slot

Since she makes big beater illusions

[clear aspen]

Yea true. Better than homunculus horde imo.

[pastel agate]

Yeah, 100%

Anyone messed with [[alandra sky dreamer]] yet?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/94/alandra-sky-dreamer

Alandra, Sky Dreamer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 2/2 blue Drake creature token with flying.
Whenever you draw your fifth card each turn, Alandra and Drakes you control each get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of cards in your hand.
2/4

[clear aspen]

Interresting. I never feel like I draw enough to make the second effect worth it but maybe some wheels would make that card real good

[pastel agate]

Wheels yeah, I suppose we really don’t draw 5 all that often huh

[modest lion]

I also feel like burning 4 mana makes it so hard for me to play the low cost instants on other turns in that cycle that I need to get the multiple card draws right away. But casting cost is my hangup with every deck I run, in general.

I might have put that card in my Minn deck. The mana curve on that one is weird, because of the replacement ability. I can't remember.

[tall blaze]

Dang just lost a game playing as Zimone because I milled myself out

[sand island]

Lab man time!

[tall blaze]

Turns out I didn't need to mill out because [[Aesi]] is optional draw, so I just threw the game...

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “Aesi”, can you be more specific?

[tall blaze]

[[Aesi, Tyrant]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/210/aesi-tyrant-of-gyre-strait

Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Serpent
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you may draw a card.
"To sail through those waters is to offer oneself as tribute." —Captain Hoyrik
5/5

[pastel agate]

Oof

[modest lion]

I was one card away from a Triska win before the token deck did some infinite shit. Only a 3 player game, so my normal "draw when they draw" stuff was hamstrung.

[sand island]

Yeah, bumble in 3 player games is sus

[tribal temple]

Any thoughts on [[Spike Weaver]] 👀

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/exo/128/spike-weaver

Spike Weaver <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Spike
This creature enters with three +1/+1 counters on it.
, Remove a +1/+1 counter from this creature: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
, Remove a +1/+1 counter from this creature: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.
0/0

[tribal temple]

you could almost fog for eternity with it

[pastel agate]

I see you also watched the spike feeders’ most recent video

Tbh the spikes in general are pretty solid

Could replace spore frog

[tribal temple]

I did! I was wondering if anyone else would notice XD

[pastel agate]

It was a cool card!

Spike feeder and spike weaver are both pretty deece

4 mana vs. 1 kinda sucks tho, for spore frog vs. fog spike

[tribal temple]

we cant loop spore frog easily though can we?

[modest lion]

I use the MH3 creature that recurs a card from the graveyard whenever you give it a +1 counter. That kind of stuff. But yes, another way to do it is always good.

It's a great card for that fog effect in this deck, for sure. I guess it would just depend on what your curve is already, whether it'd be worth the cost or not.

[tribal temple]

seems like everything in my bumble deck cost 4 mana lol

[crystal quest]

Makes me wonder about things like [[hamza]] or [[nylea keen eyed]] - if there’s a superdensity of 4+cmc creatures it might be valuable to get cost reduction

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/339/hamza-guardian-of-arashin

Hamza, Guardian of Arashin <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elephant Warrior
This spell costs less to cast for each creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it.
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast for each creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it.
"I stand with every member of my clan, and they stand with me."
5/5

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/185/nylea-keen-eyed

Nylea, Keen-Eyed <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to green is less than five, Nylea isn't a creature.
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
: Reveal the top card of your library. If it's a creature card, put it into your hand. Otherwise, you may put it into your graveyard.
5/6

[tribal temple]

I think most of my 4MV cards are a mix and not mostly creatures

I also have been thinking that amount of draw cards, 9, being too many. I think I might swap them out for either brust draw or replace them with something else all together. Bumble draws so much on her own I feel like I only need like 6 or so draw

[modest lion]

A lot of payoffs are higher mana, which is the struggle.

[tribal temple]

yeah which luckily hasn't been a huge issue for me. But mid game you only want so many 4 drops because its hard to double spell with a 4 drop mid game. I run a lot of ramp in bumble to help with that

[modest lion]

Yeah, that's definitely the issue. I try to load the deck up with 1 cost instants (or thereabouts) so that I can still play a meaningful payoff (Trouble in Pairs, for example) and then have room to double spell when needed. Ramp can easily be a replacement / supplement for that strategy as well.

[sand island]

That's a pretty cool fog

I guess I'm pretty similar with 4 mv stuff

Just so many good 4mv things

Probably should be skewed lower tbh

[sand island]

Actually, funny that we only run 3 of the same 4 drops lol

Has Giggling Skitterspike been any good for you?