Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

[pastel agate]

Right

[tall blaze]

Makes sense

Still, thats definitely going in my landfall deck

[pastel agate]

It was very intentional lol

[tall blaze]

and bumbleflower

[pastel agate]

Levi is making a landfall bumbleflower list

I’m kinda tempted to do some kind of superfriends list

[tall blaze]

Mine was originally going to be landfall but I realised there are better ways to do landfall

[pastel agate]

Sure but bnuuy is fun

[tall blaze]

YES! bumbleflower is a natural home for [[Doubling Season]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/216/doubling-season

Doubling Season <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
If an effect would create one or more tokens under your control, it creates twice that many of those tokens instead.
If an effect would put one or more counters on a permanent you control, it puts twice that many of those counters on that permanent instead.

[sand island]

I think innkeeper's talent might just be better tbh

[tall blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[sand island]

Fair

Only so much room for doublers though

You gotta fit that forced fruition in somehow

[pastel agate]

So much fun stuff, so few slots

[tall blaze]

I want to be able to run the bloomburrow tamiyo

[tall blaze]

I feel this so deeply with my Hare Apparent baylen

[sand island]

Yeah, Tamiyo is sweet if you ultimate her immediately

[tall blaze]

(also with a nice raised foil proxy)

Unfortunately that deck is likely for the scrapheap. Too many people in my pod play stuff which just shuts it down and I can't afford to add more removal

[sand island]

I just want to find a senorita margarita bumbleflower

[tall blaze]

[[Authority of the Consuls]] 😢

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/137/authority-of-the-consuls

Authority of the Consuls <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures your opponents control enter tapped.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls enters, you gain 1 life.
Citizens are free to do as they wish, within the confines of the Consulate's laws.

[sand island]

I sorta scrapped that idea and devoted my landfall energies to Erinis instead.

Landfall is pretty exhausting, and Ms B doesn't deserve that

[pastel agate]

She’s a pet card for that deck. It came in the precon and it will forever stay there

[tall blaze]

This was my feeling too

[pastel agate]

Another thing that bumble can do!

Hare apparent is so flexible

God she’d be a busted hare apparent commander

Have a flash enable then just start slamming two a turn down

Refueling every time

[tall blaze]

I've had enough games where I just don't get to play because I run out of gas or get land screwed /flooded, that's why I want to play bumbleflower so that I can make sure everyone gets to play every game

[pastel agate]

There’s a lot of politics to be had with it too

Oh, someone is pulling far ahead? Start feeding cards into their opponents

[sand island]

^^

[pastel agate]

(Little do they know you’re already miles ahead)

[tall blaze]

Nah, you really want a way to win on the same turn your hares come out, otherwise they just get eaten. That's why I like Baylen for hares - if you have enough you can reach a critical mass and turn Baylen into a better [[thrumming stone]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/315/thrumming-stone

Thrumming Stone <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Legendary Artifact
Spells you cast have ripple 4. (Whenever you cast a spell, you may reveal the top four cards of your library. You may cast spells with the same name as that spell from among the revealed cards without paying their mana costs. Put the rest on the bottom of your library.)

[pastel agate]

Oh, you’re the farthest ahead and people wanna deal with you? Feed someone until they hit a board wipe, then cast [[heroic intervention]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/295/heroic-intervention

Heroic Intervention <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Permanents you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
"Wherever the strong would harm the weak, I will be there." —Ajani Goldmane

[tall blaze]

I love HA so much, I have 50 of them and I bought them at peak

But sadly the deck is too glass cannon

[sand island]

HA talk makes me want to construct my Persistent Petitioners deck for a few games...

[pastel agate]

Bnuuy mill is so funny

Especially because she also forces people to draw

[sand island]

Would you do more of a mill + wheels plan?

[pastel agate]

Could, yeah

Make someone draw a bunch then wheel to reset their hand size

[sand island]

Hmm that's interesting.

[pastel agate]

Add mill into that and it gets nasty fast

[sand island]

[[windfall]] has been pretty sweet

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/123/windfall

Windfall <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Each player discards their hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way.
"Rich" is a relative term.

[pastel agate]

Ooh.

I never really think about wheels but windfall would be brutal

[sand island]

When I used it this previous game, it drew everyone 16

[pastel agate]

Gamers

This is sexy

[sand island]

Oh hot damn it is

Seems coded for a blink deck

(Makes sense in azorius), but it's a good pump target too

As well as being sweet removal

[pastel agate]

I mean even just landing it once

[sand island]

^^

[pastel agate]

It triple 5feri’s

[tall blaze]

I'm definitely putting windfall in mine

I want to have a 40 card hand and windfall with smothering tithe out

Bumbleflower smothering tithe and thingy drake which you can bounce is an infinite combo that I want to hit one day

[sand island]

[[shrieking drake]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/272/shrieking-drake

Shrieking Drake <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Drake
Flying
When Shrieking Drake enters, return a creature you control to its owner's hand.
"Kaervek believes the drakes' cries herald his victory; in truth, they mourn aloud for his impending demise." —Teferi
1/1

[pastel agate]

Also [[heliod|ONE]]

[brave folio]

No card found named “heliod” in Phyrexia: All Will Be One

[tall blaze]

That's the one

[pastel agate]

uh

[[heliod|mom]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/17/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-heliod-the-warped-eclipse

Heliod, the Radiant Dawn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod, the Radiant Dawn enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
: Transform Heliod, the Radiant Dawn. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4

Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6

[sand island]

Heliod is great

[tall blaze]

[[high fae trickster]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/40/high-fae-trickster

High Fae Trickster <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flash (You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant.)
Flying
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
To the High Fae, spells that take a human years to master come as easily as breathing.
4/2

[sand island]

Tomer played a heliod wheel deck on an mtggoldfish commander clash ep somewhat recently and it was rad as hell. With a ton of expensive colorless payoffs.

Free portal to phyrexia?

Are there many instant speed wheels?

My self draw-out plan partially consists of [[tolarian winds]] and [[ojer pakpatiq]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/105/tolarian-winds

Tolarian Winds <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Discard all the cards in your hand, then draw that many cards.
Why not ask the winds? —Tolarian expression meaning "Who knows?"

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/67/ojer-pakpatiq-deepest-epoch-temple-of-cyclical-time

Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — God
Flying
Whenever you cast an instant spell from your hand, it gains rebound. (Exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast it from exile without paying its mana cost.)
When Ojer Pakpatiq dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control with three time counters on it.
4/3

Temple of Cyclical Time
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch.)
: Add . Remove a time counter from Temple of Cyclical Time.
, : Transform Temple of Cyclical Time. Activate only if it has no time counters on it and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec time. Ojer Pakpatiq gave them the tools to learn its lessons.

[sand island]

It would be rad to copy a full table wheel instant

I love the LCI god cycle so much

God, bumble is getting so many interesting cards this set

[tall blaze]

I'm out of the loop, which are those

I only returned to magic after a 20 year break last September

[pastel agate]

One sec I can just link scryfall

https://scryfall.com/search?q=(ojer+OR+aclazotz%2C+deepest+betrayal)+t%3Agod&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

These 5 cards

[sand island]

Taq is boring, but the rest are sweet

[pastel agate]

Kaslem slaps in stompy decks

[sand island]

In addition to them just being ramp

[pastel agate]

Aclazotz is based as hell

[sand island]

Yeah, putting Kaslem in my Vaevictis deck I've been spending far too much time obsessing over

[pastel agate]

You should also slap aclazotz in there

The discard is peak

[sand island]

I should, but it might be a little too pricey

Oh it's not bad at all actually

I was under the impression it was like $15 still

[pastel agate]

Nah you’re thinking of [[$bloodletter of aclazotz]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/92/bloodletter-of-aclazotz

Prices for Bloodletter of Aclazotz

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan Promos

$35.84

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan Promos

$45.24

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan

$34.31 • €28.16 • 1.83 TIX

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan

$30.65 • 13.45 TIX

[pastel agate]

jEsus

[sand island]

What an instant win combo does to a man

[[$unstoppable slasher]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/119/unstoppable-slasher

Prices for Unstoppable Slasher

Duskmourn: House of Horror

$4.31 • €3.75 • 0.02 TIX

Duskmourn: House of Horror Promos

$4.29

Duskmourn: House of Horror Promos

$5.55

Duskmourn: House of Horror

$3.99 • 0.76 TIX

Duskmourn: House of Horror

$4.35 • 0.30 TIX

[sand island]

Speaking of cards that discard, watched a video yesterday about someone just jamming [[geth's grimoire]] in every deck, regardless of discard synergies

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dst/123/geths-grimoire

Geth's Grimoire <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Whenever an opponent discards a card, you may draw a card.
The book shrieks horribly until its cover is opened, granting the spirit inside a moment's rest from the painful stirrings of the book's contents.

[sand island]

Seems interesting, I want to count how often people discard now, just due to handsize and other random effects

[pastel agate]

I feel like there are better ways to have incidental lifegain

In bumble, [[shadowspear]] and [[ivory tower]] would be far better

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/236/shadowspear

Shadowspear <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has trample and lifelink.
: Permanents your opponents control lose hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
Equip
A weapon of darkness for a warrior of light.

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/269/ivory-tower

Ivory Tower <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
At the beginning of your upkeep, you gain X life, where X is the number of cards in your hand minus 4.
Valuing scholarship above all else, the inhabitants of the Ivory Tower reward those who sacrifice power for knowledge.

[sand island]

Incidental lifegain from what?

[pastel agate]

Oh shoot

My bad

I forgot geth’s grimoire wasn’t the lifegain on discard

[sand island]

Yeah, it draws based on discard instead 😛

[pastel agate]

I didn’t even read the dang thing

[sand island]

Most literate magic player

[pastel agate]

I’m mixing it up with [[venser’s book]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “venser’s book”

[pastel agate]

bah

You know what I’m saying

[sand island]

Yar

I bet it would net a ton of cards in a game based on just discarding down to hand size

[pastel agate]

Yeah if you feed one player a ton

[clear aspen]

I’m jealousss

[tall blaze]

proxy! proxy!

but to be fair a good proxy which is indistinguishable from the real thing

[sand island]

counterfeit

[tall blaze]

When I bought it I assumed the back would be some ugly crap to make it clear it was a proxy

I did not think it would have the normal-looking back

[clear aspen]

Hmmmm I may do something similar just cause she’s so cute in that art. Got a link?

[pastel agate]

(I’m gonna let it slide because relevant but we do typically not allow like-real proxies here according to wotc fan made policy)

!proxy

[sullen agate]

Buying and selling proxies or counterfeits is copyright infringement and a breach of the fan content policy that Wizards has in place. Proxies that use WotC intellectual content must be free and have no monetary value attached to them when used or given to people.
The only legal 'proxies' that can be bought or sold have zero WotC IP on them. No frames, art, symbols, card name, text, font, etc. Nothing owned by WotC.
Please do not advertise buying or selling proxies on this server that contain such IP infringements and break the fan content policy. Print your own at home or at a shop that allows printing (FedEx Office, local library, etc)

https://company.wizards.com/en/legal/fancontentpolicy

[tall blaze]

Can I DM you for the sake of rulery

[pastel agate]

(‘Preciate it ❤️)

[clear aspen]

Ohhhh whoops didn’t realize

[pastel agate]

(Oh also send it to me too)

[clear aspen]

Yes you can 🙂

[tall blaze]

Random question, what is this discord

Just a random community-driven commander discord?

[sand island]

It used to be the official commander discord, until the responsibility of managing commander was passed onto Wizards

[tall blaze]

Huh, somehow never heard of it until now

Shows how out of the loop I've been

[pastel agate]

No prob! Lots of shakeups happened since wotc took over commander in October

[mild folio]

This is such a big chase art for me

[sand island]

I just want senorita margarita

[clear aspen]

I run burgeoning and on the trail as well

[clear aspen]

Sames….

[tall blaze]

I dont know what this is

[clear aspen]

Not sure doubling season is really where you wanna go unless you plan on going super wide with [[hummunculus horde]] or [[jacked rabbit]] or maybe just go full [[hare aparenr]]. I based my deck on benefitting from draw effect from her

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/41/homunculus-horde

Homunculus Horde <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Homunculus
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a token that's a copy of this creature.
"That is why you triple-check all decimals when commissioning a new batch of homunculi!" —Trigori, Azorius senator
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/9/jacked-rabbit

Jacked Rabbit <:manax:292901509082120202><:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Rabbit Warrior
Ravenous (This creature enters with X +1/+1 counters on it. If X is 5 or more, draw a card when it enters.)
Whenever Jacked Rabbit attacks, create a number of 1/1 white Rabbit creature tokens equal to Jacked Rabbit's power.
"Squash. What it is and what it does."
1/2

No card found for “hare aparenr”

[sand island]

Doubling season is for the counters, not the token generation

[tall blaze]

Oh I meant for a superfriends version

[clear aspen]

My deck is like a 7-8 if you wanted to check it out. These guys helped me out!

[sand island]

And planeswalker loyalty, yeah

[clear aspen]

Ohhhh

https://archidekt.com/decks/10779144/bumbleflower

[sand island]

Getting an ultimate on [[tamiyo, field researcher]] the turn you play her is disgusting

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/249/tamiyo-field-researcher

Tamiyo, Field Researcher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+1: Choose up to two target creatures. Until your next turn, whenever either of those creatures deals combat damage, you draw a card.
−2: Tap up to two target nonland permanents. They don't untap during their controller's next untap step.
−7: Draw three cards. You get an emblem with "You may cast spells from your hand without paying their mana costs."
Loyalty: 4

[tall blaze]

Love what I'm seeing so far, lots of overlap with my list

not including lands its probably like 90%+ same as mine 😄

...once I put mine to paper

[clear aspen]

I have a cyclonic rift that I am hesistant to add because I don’t want the deck to be unfun to play against lol

[tall blaze]

You're letting people draw

they can take the hit

[pastel agate]

I love cyc rift haha

[tall blaze]

Not a huge fan of [[tenuous truce]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/87/tenuous-truce

Tenuous Truce <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant opponent
At the beginning of enchanted opponent's end step, you and that player each draw a card.
When you attack enchanted opponent or a planeswalker they control or when they attack you or a planeswalker you control, sacrifice Tenuous Truce.

[tall blaze]

if you're ahead they'll just break the truce immediately and you lose the whole card value

[clear aspen]

Yea but also my man is planning on building a [[chun-li master of kicks]] deck and he kinda wants to use it. Hard to justify buying another $55 card lmao

[brave folio]

No card found for “chun-li master of kicks”

[clear aspen]

I just got it for the fun group hug shenanigans

[sand island]

I've been really impressed with [[communal brewing]] since adding it back in

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/29/communal-brewing

Communal Brewing <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When Communal Brewing enters, any number of target opponents each draw a card. Put an ingredient counter on Communal Brewing, then put an ingredient counter on it for each card drawn this way.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, that creature enters with X additional +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the number of ingredient counters on Communal Brewing.

[tall blaze]

This is my problem - my zimone deck could really use it too, but I want bumbleflower to be my strongest so I think it has to go in there

[clear aspen]

I ended up cutting [[peerless recycling]] and [[whitemane Lion]] for [[generous patron]] and [[Kros Defense Contractor]] hope I Dont regret it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/188/peerless-recycling

Peerless Recycling <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Gift a card (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they draw a card before its other effects.)
Return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand. If the gift was promised, instead return two target permanent cards from your graveyard to your hand.

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/35/whitemane-lion

Whitemane Lion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
Flash
When Whitemane Lion enters, return a creature you control to its owner's hand.
Saltfield nomads call a sudden storm a "whitemane."
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/70/generous-patron

Generous Patron <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Advisor
When Generous Patron enters, support 2. (Put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two other target creatures.)
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, draw a card.
1/4

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/7/kros-defense-contractor

Kros, Defense Contractor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Cat Advisor
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a shield counter on target creature an opponent controls.
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, tap that creature and goad it. It gains trample until your next turn. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
2/4

[sand island]

Yeah, they're a cool combo together

[pastel agate]

Communal brewing has traumatized my playgroup

I run it in basically all my green decks

[sand island]

[[duelist's heritage]] has also been huge for that goad style of play

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/60/duelists-heritage

Duelist's Heritage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever one or more creatures attack, you may have target attacking creature gain double strike until end of turn.
The best techniques outlive their creators.

[sand island]

lmao Umaru

[clear aspen]

Oooooo that’s pretty good too. May have to add that later

[pastel agate]

I mean

4 +1/+1 counters is scary as hell

Your 1/1s become 5/5s at minimum

[sand island]

It sure is. It works really well with stuff like [[fathom mage]] that becomes a draw 4 as well

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/339/fathom-mage

Fathom Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Evolve (Whenever a creature you control enters, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever a +1/+1 counter is put on Fathom Mage, you may draw a card.
1/1

[clear aspen]

Do you run any counter doublers?

[pastel agate]

I run innkeeper’s talent, hardened scales, kami of whispered hopes, and conclave mentor

https://moxfield.com/decks/F-CasGtbQ0uBZmC6JN7e6w

Oh and ozolith

[sand island]

Also mine: so we have all the lists again https://archidekt.com/decks/8498400/bumbleflower

[pastel agate]

My favorites, though, are Arwen, communal brewing and court if garenbrig

I wish pins were useful in thread chats

They don’t show up on mobile

[clear aspen]

I really gotta pick up innkeepers talent eventually

[pastel agate]

Also gamers

We are approaching the third largest thread in the deck brewing section

[tall blaze]

I was thinking of going hard on draw second card create a token things, like [[Alandra, Sky Dreamer]] and [[Jolrael, Mwonvuli Recluse]] but I don't know if that playstyle works well

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/94/alandra-sky-dreamer

Alandra, Sky Dreamer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 2/2 blue Drake creature token with flying.
Whenever you draw your fifth card each turn, Alandra, Sky Dreamer and Drakes you control each get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of cards in your hand.
2/4

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/173/jolrael-mwonvuli-recluse

Jolrael, Mwonvuli Recluse <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 2/2 green Cat creature token.
: Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X, where X is the number of cards in your hand.
"Humans bring nothing but suffering and deceit. They are not welcome in my forest."
1/2

[pastel agate]

Beating mxkale’s megathread

[clear aspen]

Bumble brethren rise up!

[pastel agate]

It would be very cool

[pastel agate]

Theirs is about 7700, we’re at a little over 7200

[glossy fox]

you are?

[pastel agate]

Almost!

[tall blaze]

You know what would be hella silly

[glossy fox]

cant beleive bumble chat is still popular

[tall blaze]

4-way bumbleflower

[pastel agate]

Correct

[pastel agate]

Bumbleflower is the best

[tall blaze]

She's one of the most popular commanders of the year

[glossy fox]

really?

[tall blaze]

I wish my Baylen was as loved

[pastel agate]

Her raised foil is freakin’ $350 ;-;

[pastel agate]

Baylen just solves all the problems ever for no investment

There’s no build except “MAKE T O K E N S”

[tall blaze]

It's quite a lot more here

[tall blaze]

I love baylen like I love bumbleflower

Baylen is my Hare Apparent bae

[pastel agate]

[[$bumbleflower]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/3/ms-bumbleflower

Prices for Ms. Bumbleflower

Bloomburrow Commander

$1.42 • €0.86 • 1.23 TIX

Bloomburrow Commander

$420.50 • 0.20 TIX

[sand island]

3 in the past 6 months made it to top 100 on EDHREC

[pastel agate]

Oh GOD

I mean NICE 420 But also WHY

[sand island]

Meme number spotted

[clear aspen]

I am totally debating making a baylen deck but I just got the really cute secret lair [[rin and Seri inseperable]] so I’m gunna make that my token deck

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/278/rin-and-seri-inseparable

Rin and Seri, Inseparable <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Dog Cat
Whenever you cast a Dog spell, create a 1/1 green Cat creature token.
Whenever you cast a Cat spell, create a 1/1 white Dog creature token.
, : Rin and Seri, Inseparable deals damage to any target equal to the number of Dogs you control. You gain life equal to the number of Cats you control.
4/4

[sand island]

I gotta stop making so many decks

[tall blaze]

I've never seen that filter thing, cool

[clear aspen]

I just started and have 3 decks already and working on a 4th…. I have issues.

[glossy fox]

valgavoth still popular?

crazy

[tall blaze]

I have a lot of precons but only two real decks I've put work into

[sand island]

I think I'll make my Jund deck and stop there for a while lol

[pastel agate]

Par for the course ngl, when magic grips you it grips HARD

[sand island]

Valgavoth is insane, of course he's still popular

[pastel agate]

That’s what you say

[glossy fox]

if popular where his thread

lol

[sand island]

They're too busy taking children's lunch money to make a thread

[pastel agate]

I started playing magic in January 2020, and between then and October 2024 I went from learning to play magic to being a mod on one of the biggest servers, so don’t think it ever slows down lmao

[glossy fox]

valgavoth steals lunch money?

[sand island]

Group slug players do

[pastel agate]

See group slug is just as much fun as group “hug”

[glossy fox]

so not fun at all?

[pastel agate]

It’s very fun

[glossy fox]

or very fun

how dare my friend steal lunch money

[pastel agate]

I put hug in quotes bc I don’t think bumble should ever be called group hug

She’s a war criminal

Let’s be clear

[glossy fox]

i think hes using the lord of pain instead though

it indeed hurts

[tall blaze]

Bumble can be group hug

[sand island]

I think group hug is inherently bad. You want to be selecting who you help

Which is what Bumble does

[glossy fox]

more like hug you specificly

[clear aspen]

@pastel agate i’m suprised you don’t run [[hommunculus horde]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/41/homunculus-horde

Homunculus Horde <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Homunculus
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a token that's a copy of this creature.
"That is why you triple-check all decimals when commissioning a new batch of homunculi!" —Trigori, Azorius senator
2/2

[pastel agate]

Not a fan

Atp just run scute swarm

[sand island]

If it's a single target, it's not a "group" hug

[pastel agate]

The most important thing is you are helping those who you think are not the person in the lead

[sand island]

^^

[clear aspen]

You gotta trick em into thinking you are not the threat

[sand island]

Or helping those who can actively deal with the player who is in the lead

While you sneakily outpace everyone

[pastel agate]

Even if you are, it doesn’t matter because you have big bnuuy

[clear aspen]

And then they find out their food is poisoned with cyanide

[pastel agate]

Nah, it’s just being delivered by the buffest fucking rabbit in existence

Who then proceeds to turn your opponents into a fine red mist

[clear aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-rabbit-dance-bunny-vibe-twitch-gif-25518131

[sand island]

Bunny bump

[glossy fox]

any cards from aetherdrift that bumble likes

[pastel agate]

The aetherspark 100%

[sand island]

[[sab-sunen, luxa embodied]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/221/sab-sunen-luxa-embodied

Sab-Sunen, Luxa Embodied <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — God
Reach, trample, indestructible
Sab-Sunen can't attack or block unless it has an even number of counters on it. (Zero is even.)
At the beginning of your first main phase, put a +1/+1 counter on Sab-Sunen. Then if it has an odd number of counters on it, draw two cards.
6/6

[pastel agate]

the azorius gearhulk is sick

Sab sunen is awesome

[glossy fox]

[[spout gear hulk]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “spout gear hulk”

[sand island]

[[riptide gearhulk]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “riptide gearhulk”

[pastel agate]

It won’t be on scryfall yet

[pastel agate]

Card is really cool

[clear aspen]

Oooooo

[glossy fox]

no flash?

[pastel agate]

Making it bigger both by prowess and double strike in addition to triple tucking is crazy. Then you start putting 1/1 counters in it?

Flash would be too much

[sand island]

You just want everything don't you

[glossy fox]

if only [[gandalf the white]] was more colors

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/19/gandalf-the-white

Gandalf the White <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Avatar Wizard
Flash
You may cast legendary spells and artifact spells as though they had flash.
If a legendary permanent or an artifact entering or leaving the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
4/5

[sand island]

Slots for bumble are going to be even tighter than before

We already have many flash enablers

[glossy fox]

ik

i was brewing gandalf

[sand island]

Ah gotcha

[glossy fox]

i just wish he was at least 2 colors becuase i cant find anything artifact related that helps

[sand island]

There may be new vehicles that help a lot

They have some sweet etb effects

[glossy fox]

white is notorious for etb

but gandalf explicitly states legends or artifacts

[sand island]

Yes, which is why vehicles would work

[glossy fox]

theres [[cataclysmic gearhilc]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/176/cataclysmic-gearhulk

Cataclysmic Gearhulk <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Vigilance
When Cataclysmic Gearhulk enters, each player chooses an artifact, a creature, an enchantment, and a planeswalker from among the nonland permanents they control, then sacrifices the rest.
4/5

[glossy fox]

but copying that is useless

2 wipes seems kinda pointless

[glossy fox]

[[the aetherspark]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/231/the-aetherspark

The Aetherspark <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Artifact Planeswalker — Equipment
As long as The Aetherspark is attached to a creature, The Aetherspark can't be attacked and has "Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage during your turn, put that many loyalty counters on The Aetherspark."
+1: Attach The Aetherspark to up to one target creature you control. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
−5: Draw two cards.
−10: Add ten mana of any one color.
Loyalty: 4

[pastel agate]

Focusing down your theme will help a lot

[glossy fox]

i love drawing cards

[sand island]

Same

[glossy fox]

i want the new zombie precon

the backup commander looks epic

[tall blaze]

That only works the first time you play with them

[sand island]

It still works in my playgroup tbh

Despite winning a lot with bumble

[pastel agate]

See what my friends do is try and wait do deal with me until I become a slight problem

[sand island]

Are you going to go after the person who is scary right now, or the cute little bunny who is giving you cards?

[pastel agate]

But usually by then it’s too late

[sand island]

Who may eventually onetap you?

Yeah by that point you have enough protection and counterspellage to deal

[pastel agate]

A very reactive bumbleflower deck is extremely powerful

Because you don’t know how easily you can get shut down by a counterspell or well timed board wipe

[glossy fox]

is your playgroup good at remembering games?

they have to know bumble is a menace at this point

[sand island]

My friends, idiots as they are, are decent at remembering games, yeah

[glossy fox]

they how do they fall for it

[sand island]

It's just if someone is likely to win next turn, you can't go after the person who is accumulating cards

[pastel agate]

That’s a big plus for control decks, usually the threat is in your hand where it’s unknown

Until it’s too late

[sand island]

And if bumble flower is going to win next turn, you have the cards to react to removal and such

Or in many of our cases a fog to ignore combat damage and slap back

Or something similar

Bumble is really good at making it to the top 2 and then hitting with a big bumbleflower

[glossy fox]

why not kill the person with a quarter of their deck in hand

[sand island]

Good luck if I have a quarter of my deck in hand

[glossy fox]

discard your hand and draw 7 cards would be funny

[sand island]

What is the GY if not just a second hand?

[pastel agate]

If you’ve been feeding one player a ton, you better be able to kill them ASAP

I’ve lost exactly once to giving away cards

[glossy fox]

in bant?

[sand island]

You have recursion

Or stuff like [[torrential gearhulk]] for important instants

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/128/torrential-gearhulk

Torrential Gearhulk <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Flash
When Torrential Gearhulk enters, you may cast target instant card from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead.
5/6

[sand island]

(At least I do, and I've won off of him a few times)

[tall blaze]

[[Evolution Witness]] is a friend to bumbleflower

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/151/evolution-witness

Evolution Witness <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Shaman Mutant
: Adapt 2. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put two +1/+1 counters on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Evolution Witness, return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand.
She remembers every breakthrough, from the gene's mutation to the new life's propagation.
2/1

[tall blaze]

What are your thoughts on land count for bumbleflower?

I generally start with 37 as baseline but wonder if can afford to go low given all the card draw

But if you somehow fail to get your first 4, you're in trouble...

I also have quite a high curve so maybe can't afford to cut

[tall blaze]

Ooh [[freestrider lookout]] looks awesome. Basically ramp every turn

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

[tall blaze]

Is torrential gearhulk just a worse snapcaster mage?

[pastel agate]

Yes, it’s in my list

I run 35 lands, which includes 3 bouncelands and 2 mdfcs.

Hitting your second land + a 2mv ramp, then your third land is typically the best way to do bumble imo

[pastel agate]

Yes, always has been

[tall blaze]

This is my list I threw together. Completely untuned, probably too high a curve right now. https://moxfield.com/decks/2RmuALLqyka_1CPFLrHqvA

Ignore the swamps, they're placeholders

Think I need more low cost instants or flash stuff

I doubt I'd be able to doublespell much with the current shape

[pastel agate]

My avg mv is 1.94 with lands and 2.91 without

Your curve is fine, once you finish the deck out it should work out

Having lots of ramp to back it up really helps

[tall blaze]

Yeah I need more low cost ramp I think

2 mana ramp to help get bumbleflower out t3

I don't think 1 mana ramp is worth it except maybe halfling

Thoughts on [[rashmi, eternities crafter]]? Worst case it's draw a card every time you case first spell per turn. Best case is it doublespells for free

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/231/rashmi-eternities-crafter

Rashmi, Eternities Crafter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Whenever you cast your first spell each turn, reveal the top card of your library. You may cast it without paying its mana cost if it's a spell with lesser mana value. If you don't cast it, put it into your hand.
2/3

[sand island]

It doesn't count as "draw" so I don't like it

[tall blaze]

Ah true

[sand island]

A lot of the spells you might use are reactive anyways, and you don't necessarily want to cast them off the top

[tall blaze]

Also true

I think the basics of my deck are in place now if anyone has any thoughts

I may have too many token makers and not enough cheap spells

I'm hoping shrieking drake with a flash enabler can do a lot of work

[sand island]

I used to run it, but it never really panned out somehow

[tall blaze]

[[wavebreak hippocamp]] looks nice too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/80/wavebreak-hippocamp

Wavebreak Hippocamp <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Horse Fish
Whenever you cast your first spell during each opponent's turn, draw a card.
Tritons search for omens in its wake.
2/2

[tall blaze]

Maybe a bit expensive

[pastel agate]

Yeah 1 mana is not great

[tall blaze]

I've cut halfling too

[pastel agate]

I like if you’vengot a lot of flash stuff

[tall blaze]

Any thoughts on removing stuff to add more 2 mana ramp to my list? I was thinking more land fetching ramp like natures lore and farewell

[sand island]

You mean farseek?

Farewell is my favorite ramp option 😛

Ramp is never bad really. I like [[planar genesis]] as well

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/198/planar-genesis

Planar Genesis <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Look at the top four cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. If you don't, put a card from among them into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Out of nothing, something was born.

[tall blaze]

Yup lmao

[tall blaze]

I was thinking this but again, not card draw 😢

But maybe the instant speed is worth it

[sand island]

Yeah, not card draw, but gets any land, instant, and can be clutch for finding an answer late in the game

[tall blaze]

Sensible

Wondering if cultivator colossus is too expensive to really run as ramp

[sand island]

It's a finisher really

[tall blaze]

7 mana ramp is a bit uh

[tall blaze]

By itself it can't finish much though

[sand island]

Burns with psychosis crawler

draws out for lab man

[tall blaze]

Oh I guess when it can attack

Ugh am I adding lab man

It's so hard to find slots for stuff

How often do you really lab man win

[sand island]

I should put spelunking back in, so those lands come in untapped

I have 2 games out of like 12?

[tall blaze]

I have a spare spelunking, but no slots to put it in!

Maybe cut loran

Not instant speed removal

[sand island]

Loran is too good probably

removal, continuous card draw

[tall blaze]

Yeah, I love loran

But finding cuts is rough

[sand island]

Yeeeep

I don't really like wizard class

All the things it does are good, but not really good enough to take mana away from spell casting. And you can't save mana to level up at instant speed (since it has to be done at sorcery speed.)

I'm intrigued with your more go-wide list though

I wonder if you should cut some of the higher cmc cards, cultivator and hullbreaker

Body of knowledge never really seemed worth it to me either

[tall blaze]

I was thinking that, since I need doublespelling more than anything else

[tall blaze]

Yup, already cut

Hullbreaker just feels so good when it's out

Turning all your instants into counterspells (or at least, reprieves)

[tall blaze]

I need a couple of infinite hand size things

The problem with the go wide is I become super dependent on bumbleflower or other ways to draw two every turn

[sand island]

I've been running [[proft's eidetic memory]]

[tall blaze]

Which there aren't many of

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/67/profts-eidetic-memory

Proft's Eidetic Memory <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
When Proft's Eidetic Memory enters, draw a card.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've drawn more than one card this turn, put X +1/+1 counters on target creature you control, where X is the number of cards you've drawn this turn minus one.

[sand island]

[[thought vessel]] is even probably better.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/256/thought-vessel

Thought Vessel <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
You have no maximum hand size.
: Add .
Infinite possibilities contained in a finite space.

[pastel agate]

Proft’s eidetic is better than wizard class almost categorically

Thought vessel is one I should find a spot for

No max hand size is nice in a deck where you regularly have 10+ cards

[tall blaze]

I was thinking thought vessel but the colourless makes it not useful for fixing

[tall blaze]

Wizard class infinite with [[fathom mage]] is probably reason enough for me to cut it tbh

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/339/fathom-mage

Fathom Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Evolve (Whenever a creature you control enters, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever a +1/+1 counter is put on Fathom Mage, you may draw a card.
1/1

[pastel agate]

Based

[sand island]

^

Down with the infinites

[tall blaze]

Infinites bad

I've also had to cut alt win cons because they kinda feel the same

[sand island]

100% agreed

I ran approach of the second sun, and twenty toed toad, and those felt too easy to win with tbh

Just slam toad when you already have twenty cards, equip boots, and win

[tall blaze]

I think lab man is okay, but I run [[halo fountain]] in hare apparent and I'm probably gonna cut it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/15/halo-fountain

Halo Fountain <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact
, , Untap a tapped creature you control: Create a 1/1 green and white Citizen creature token.
, , Untap two tapped creatures you control: Draw a card.
, , Untap fifteen tapped creatures you control: You win the game.

[tall blaze]

Yeah makes games so anticlimactic

[pastel agate]

I still need to find a replacement for twenty toed toad

[sand island]

Lab man is at least a lot of work

And drawing cards is satisfying

[tall blaze]

And a risk if it gets removed you just lose

[sand island]

Yep

[pastel agate]

Oh, I still need to add pir and toothy

[sand island]

Next time I play, maybe I'll remember how partner works

[tall blaze]

Ugh, to put bumbleflower together I'll have to take some of my expensive cards out of my Zimone deck

No way I'm paying for multiple boseijus or burgeonings

[sand island]

[[gideon's avenger]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/m12/17/gideons-avenger

Gideon's Avenger <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever a creature an opponent controls becomes tapped, put a +1/+1 counter on Gideon's Avenger.
"The good don't sit and wait for the evil to act. They prepare to defend. They prepare to punish."
2/2

[sand island]

Huh, weird

This guy might be interesting in a low to the ground +1/+1 deck

[tall blaze]

[[Pick your poison]] sounds like fun. Efficient removal, and can be targeted by giving things flying with Bumbleflower

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/170/pick-your-poison

Pick Your Poison <:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Choose one —
• Each opponent sacrifices an artifact of their choice.
• Each opponent sacrifices an enchantment of their choice.
• Each opponent sacrifices a creature with flying of their choice.
A reliable, general-purpose toxin is a handy way to save on belt space.

[tall blaze]

Also it does a lot for 1 mana

[tall blaze]

[[vnwxt]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/73/vnwxt-verbose-host

Vnwxt, Verbose Host <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Homunculus
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
You have no maximum hand size.
Max speed — If you would draw a card, draw two cards instead.
"Racers! Start! Your! Engiiiiiines!"
0/4

[tall blaze]

Probably won't really be usable given the max speed req

[tall blaze]

[[sab-sunen, luxa embodied]] could be fun. Free two card draw trample indestructible beater

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/221/sab-sunen-luxa-embodied

Sab-Sunen, Luxa Embodied <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — God
Reach, trample, indestructible
Sab-Sunen can't attack or block unless it has an even number of counters on it. (Zero is even.)
At the beginning of your first main phase, put a +1/+1 counter on Sab-Sunen. Then if it has an odd number of counters on it, draw two cards.
6/6

[pastel agate]

Correct

[pastel agate]

Very correct

[pastel agate]

I’ve just never liked edict effects personally, could be really useful though!

[tall blaze]

Usually it's not great since it usually means people remove their least valuable thing, but given that we can give creatures flying, it can turn it into very direct removal

[pastel agate]

Hmmm

That’s true

[pastel agate]

Alright bumblers

Fortnite piñata, yay or nay

I think yay tbh

[hot breach]

Is [[Kodama of the West Tree]] already in lists? The added trample, ability to block flyers and the capacity for more than 1 basic seems better than the worldwagon, at least to me.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/199/kodama-of-the-west-tree

Kodama of the West Tree <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Spirit
Reach
Modified creatures you control have trample. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
Whenever a modified creature you control deals combat damage to a player, search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
3/3

[pastel agate]

Certainly can be, I probably should run it ngl

[hot breach]

Especially since bumble makes it basically effortless to enable

[tall blaze]

It's basically a 3 mana rampant growth which you might one day be able to attack with again

You don't want 3 mana ramp in bumbleflower since she's a 4 drop

I don't see it myself

[tall blaze]

Kodama is a good pick, but it's just so hard to find a spot for it, and it just pushes the curve up and up

Oh actually it's just a 3 drop nvm

Yeah it's goodness

[pastel agate]

See I’m not terribly upset with it, pushing the curve up isn’t a big deal since you just need to double spell, but i do see what you mean. Scaling with lands could be huge but not entirely necessary

[pastel agate]

Yeah, I’ll have to find a spot for it

[tall blaze]

I would rather scale my lands with something like [[Azusa]] since we are already drawing so much that searching the library isn't so useful.

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “Azusa”, can you be more specific?

[tall blaze]

[[Azusa, lost]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/274/azusa-lost-but-seeking

Azusa, Lost but Seeking <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
You may play two additional lands on each of your turns.
"I do not miss Jukai Forest. It is not my home. My home is Kamigawa, its people my family. Wherever I set my pack and rest my head, I am home."
1/2

[pastel agate]

That’s true

[tall blaze]

And of course [[Burgeoning]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/143/burgeoning

Burgeoning <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent plays a land, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
The first vine shows the others where to grow.

[pastel agate]

She was in my list for a minute but i never found i had enough lands to justify Azusa over dryad

Yeah burgeoning is in my list

[tall blaze]

I've brewed up my bumbleflower almost entirely out of cards I have, but I can't actually build it without taking a lot out of my Zimone

So I'll probably end up making a lower powered bumbleflower

And missing my big cards like burgeoning, boseiju, otawara, cyclonic rift

Can make up for the loss of rift with the existence of farewell which does the job better (at sorcery speed.... most of the time)

[pastel agate]

I just hate farewell lol

Speaking of Zimone I still need to find a copy for my bumble

It’s insane card advantage on a body that makes more bodies and fills the yard for evo witness

[tall blaze]

Mystery Unraveler?

Where's the card advantage there

I guess the permanents

But I feel like it's a bit of anti synergy with bumbleflower

Zimone wants a permanent heavy deck

Bumbleflower wants an instant heavy deck

Or flash, I suppose

[pastel agate]

[[zimone mystery]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/8/zimone-mystery-unraveler

Zimone, Mystery Unraveler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, manifest dread if this is the first time this ability has resolved this turn. Otherwise, you may turn a permanent you control face up. (To manifest dread, look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
3/3

[pastel agate]

Bumble doesn’t necessarily want instant speed

I don’t play much at instant speed

Ideally I double spell on my turn, then hold up protection/removal on theirs

[tall blaze]

Fair enough. I'm trying to double spell as much as possible but it's hard to balance instant speed with an ability to win

Too much holding up lands can be a problem

[pastel agate]

Usually I’m running pretty proactive removal and baking that into my double spell on my turn.

[tall blaze]

Makes sense

[sand island]

I just flash enable for instant speed farewells

[hot breach]

Is there enough creatures for the mono green loot alongside the Dryad?

[pastel agate]

Perhaps

I mean if your fixing is good enough, loot is just better

Main thing is if you can support the land drops imo

If you’re not using them at least twice in the course of the game for the extra land drop then you might as well run a rampant growth or something

[tall blaze]

They aren't very useful early game until you've got the right stuff in hand to be drawing like a maniac

I haven't played it yet but I feel like [[trouble in pairs]] is going to do a lot of work

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/15/trouble-in-pairs

Trouble in Pairs <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If an opponent would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.
Whenever an opponent attacks you with two or more creatures, draws their second card each turn, or casts their second spell each turn, you draw a card.
Together, they're greater than the sum of their rap sheets.

[sand island]

Trouble is pairs is probably one of the most broken cards wizards has printed in a long time for casual commander

[pastel agate]

Yes. Yes it will

I took it out of mine in an attempt to power it down

Man it was like a drug but I’m glad Nadu is banned

[tall blaze]

I have three copies of it in a binder

But like the one ring I just feel like it's a stupid strong card that goes in every deck

I think it's more fair in bumbleflower since you can force it to trigger and have some control

Vs just getting value out of people playing the game

Since my bumbleflower rinds quite a lot of enchantments I was thinking of [[Karmic Justice]] as a pillow fort piece

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/c15/72/karmic-justice

Karmic Justice <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever a spell or ability an opponent controls destroys a noncreature permanent you control, you may destroy target permanent that opponent controls.

[tall blaze]

Mostly because I pulled the foil anime art version and I wanted a deck for it...

Don't destroy my stuff or you'll be saccing your own lands!

[sand island]

[[sita varma, masked]] might go well in a go wide deck

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/223/sita-varma-masked-racer

Sita Varma, Masked Racer <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Exhaust — : Put X +1/+1 counters on Sita Varma. Then you may have the base power and toughness of each other creature you control become equal to Sita Varma's power until end of turn. (Activate each exhaust ability only once.)
2/3

[pastel agate]

True, she’s kinda like a craterhoof

[pastel agate]

Bumblers, for the first time in a long time, one of my commander decks has been double sleeved.

[tall blaze]

I've turned to the double sleeved side too. I might spend tomorrow double sleeving my Zimone deck at last

[sand island]

Double sleeving just takes so long, and it makes the deck so thicccc'

[pastel agate]

It does but my deck’s getting kinda expensive

[tall blaze]

once you get used to it it isnt so bad, unless you end up with the cards sliding out over and over

[sand island]

small hands

https://tenor.com/view/papi-ace-tiny-hands-small-hands-typing-type-gif-24733464

[pastel agate]

Dawg I got big hands

[sand island]

That definitely makes handling double sleeved decks easier

[pastel agate]

I still can’t shuffle lol

[pastel agate]

Gamers

Bumblers

[sand island]

Zimoners

[pastel agate]

[[zimone paradox sculptor]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/126/zimone-paradox-sculptor

Zimone, Paradox Sculptor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two target creatures you control.
, : Double the number of each kind of counter on up to two target creatures and/or artifacts you control.
"Extraplanar geometry isn't so hard once you get used to thinking in twelve dimensions."
1/4

[pastel agate]

This card is crazier than I first read

I thought it was one counter on one creature

Kraj is real expensive

[sand island]

Yeah it honestly looks like a better bill in most lists

[pastel agate]

[[experiment kraj]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/337/experiment-kraj

Experiment Kraj <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Ooze Mutant
Experiment Kraj has all activated abilities of each other creature with a +1/+1 counter on it.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
"Of course it will grow beyond control—it was designed to choose its own evolution." —Momir Vig
4/6

[sand island]

Though not 2 mana

[pastel agate]

Yeah, 4mv is rough

I still need to find a slot for pir and toothy ngl

[sand island]

And sun suban frog god

[pastel agate]

Shoot, yeah

So I might replace Lae’Zel with Pir

Since they’re effectively the same

[sand island]

[[lae'zel]]

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “lae'zel”, can you be more specific?

[sand island]

Oh yeah, true

[pastel agate]

[[lae zel vlaakith]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/29/laezel-vlaakiths-champion

Lae'zel, Vlaakith's Champion <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Gith Warrior
If you would put one or more counters on a creature or planeswalker you control or on yourself, put that many plus one of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/3

[pastel agate]

The only difference being counters put on yourself

But we aren’t doing that

[sand island]

Weaker statline too, but Pir draws a card

[pastel agate]

Statlines

Lol

[sand island]

Yeah I know statlines don't matter

[pastel agate]

Yeah, pir “drawing” a card that is the kind of card we value really highly (counters for card draw) is insanely good

[sand island]

Yep

Would you consider toothy as a replacement for shabraz?

[pastel agate]

Maaaaybe

Like if I didn’t already wanna cut twenty toed toad

I might

[sand island]

That incidental lifegain is sweet, along with flight, but bumble gives flight anyways

[pastel agate]

Well, with Shabraz he does a lot of the secondary stuff we need, lifegain and a flying beater

He can function well on his own

[sand island]

Yeah

[pastel agate]

I might consider cutting him for Sab-Sunen

[sand island]

Man, I'm so looking forward to Pir with the additional planeswalkers I'm running now

And I added radstorm for some spice

[pastel agate]

Planeswalkers are so useful in a control/pillowfort shell lol

[pastel agate]

How has it been for you? I’ve never been a fan

[sand island]

I haven't seen it yet, but here's hoping I actually get to play it before I decide to cut it lol

[pastel agate]

Oh! Teferi Who Slows the Sunset has been good btw, my deck basically being all draw, ramp, removal and hardened scales effects means he fits right in

https://moxfield.com/decks/F-CasGtbQ0uBZmC6JN7e6w

[sand island]

Yeah, I slotted him in place of my Wilderness Rec I was running

[pastel agate]

I’m starting to get more annoyed by Clever Concealment than happy with it

[sand island]

If only you could run two teferis

[pastel agate]

I could theoretically run like 7

[sand island]

I meant T pro

[pastel agate]

Oh yeah, lol

My brain disconnected from the conversation for a second so I was like “aren’t there like 7?”

[sand island]

Teferi tribal is also something I've been thinking about though

[pastel agate]

Lmao

I don’t think he interacted much with bumbleflower

[sand island]

Working on my Vaevictus deck, I realized I really love Planeswalkers

[pastel agate]

Could do Lord Windgrace//Umori

Jund walkers

[sand island]

lmfao

Are there even that many in those colors?>

I guess you'd only need ~60

Damn... that sounds fun

[pastel agate]

Have fun with it! It’ll probably be slow and bad but boy would it be fun

[sand island]

Slow and bad is my middle name

How has hakbal been in your deck?

[pastel agate]

Great!

If I want to stack counters on him he becomes a fat beater super quick

He is much more midrangey if I literally do not touch him

He provides an absurd amount of card advantage

[tall blaze]

Do you have that in paper or is it an online brew

I always feel weird when I see a deck with OG duals

[sand island]

I think he has it in paper

Given pics and such

[pastel agate]

I have it in paper, I proxy the obscenely expensive stuff like dual lands.

I’ve always been of the opinion that casual should allow perfect manabases - I wanna fight your choice in nonlands, not just win because you didn’t have the right fixing

I think I only have about 5 proxies in the deck now, being the 3 duals, Court of Garenbrig, and 6 drop Vorinclex

[sand island]

[[vorinclex, voice of hunger]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/189/vorinclex-voice-of-hunger

Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample
Whenever you tap a land for mana, add one mana of any type that land produced.
Whenever an opponent taps a land for mana, that land doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
7/6

[pastel agate]

Only because I haven’t been able to find them

[sand island]

ewwww

[pastel agate]

Yeah I thought it was the wrong one

That’s not the one I have in the deck

[sand island]

Regular vorinclex then?

That flips into a saga?

[[vorinclex, monstrous rider]] maybe?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/199/vorinclex-monstrous-raider

Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample, haste
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.
If an opponent would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, they put half that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead, rounded down.
6/6

[pastel agate]

[[vorinclex mosntrous raider]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/199/vorinclex-monstrous-raider

Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample, haste
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.
If an opponent would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, they put half that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead, rounded down.
6/6

[sand island]

Yeah, he's spendy, makes sense

[pastel agate]

Well for me it’s more that I haven’t been able to locate a copy of him

Same with Court, my LGS just hasn’t had it

[sand island]

I got the sheoldred and vorinclex that flip into sagas for my vaevictis deck, and I'm excited to try them out

[tall blaze]

MB2 drop on secret lair

[sand island]

MB2?

[tall blaze]

Mystery Booster 2

boosters bad, I know

but its fun to draft

and then omnomnom the cards into my decks

[sand island]

Oh, for sure

[pastel agate]

Both are my favorites for sure

[pastel agate]

MB2 is a solid one to pick up

[tall blaze]

I got two boxes, hope it'll be fun

[clear aspen]

Hmmm so I’ve played bumbleflower a few times now but I feel like I’m lacking a win con.

Played it last week and tonight and both times I came last. Wondering if I should change the deck to prioritize counters instead of draw

[tall blaze]

Share list plos

Big flying bunny is a pretty good win con

My flavour is making lots of tokens

[pastel agate]

My control list usually won via bunny voltron

Now it wins via 4 or 5 really big creatures

[clear aspen]

https://archidekt.com/decks/10779144/bumbleflower

I only played 3 games so I could have just played it wrong

Definitely thinking of dropping homunculus horde

Played it a few times and I felt like it never really got to ramp too much

[sand island]

Yeah I don't like homunculus horde

[clear aspen]

Wondering about maybe another hydra

[sand island]

I think your deck looks mostly alright

[clear aspen]

Or more sources of early draw

[sand island]

The 3 mana hydra that grows whenever someone casts a spell might be good

I don't like selvala really at all

[clear aspen]

I think I’ve got it already

[sand island]

Oh you do

I missed it :p

I'm not so sure about scrawling crawler without leaning more heavily into wheels

I should put an ivory tower in my deck 😮

[tall blaze]

I think it's only good if you can be doublespelling or consistently drawing on other players turns, which is hard. I still like it but it isn't an auto include in any bumbleflower unless you're building for it.

Like if you have [[Consecrated Sphinx]] or other nutty draw then maybe

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/43/consecrated-sphinx

Consecrated Sphinx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
A curse is just another name for an unwanted blessing.
4/6

[tall blaze]

It's a worse scute swarm if you can't consistently trigger it

I need to physically build my bumbleflower list now... my weakened version which is missing all my good stuff that is stolen by Zimone

But if I like it enough I'll make bumbleflower the big deck and Zimone the weaker one

[clear aspen]

Alright I took out homunculus horde, selvala and scrawling crawler and added [[ozolith the shattered spire]] , [[Tamiyo Field researcher]] and [[conclave mentor]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/198/ozolith-the-shattered-spire

Ozolith, the Shattered Spire <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Artifact
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on an artifact or creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.
, : Put a +1/+1 counter on target artifact or creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/249/tamiyo-field-researcher

Tamiyo, Field Researcher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+1: Choose up to two target creatures. Until your next turn, whenever either of those creatures deals combat damage, you draw a card.
−2: Tap up to two target nonland permanents. They don't untap during their controller's next untap step.
−7: Draw three cards. You get an emblem with "You may cast spells from your hand without paying their mana costs."
Loyalty: 4

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/320/conclave-mentor

Conclave Mentor <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Centaur Cleric
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that creature instead.
When Conclave Mentor dies, you gain life equal to its power.
"I have faith in your potential."
2/2

[clear aspen]

Think that will help lean more into the voltron sort of thing

Thinking about maybe hardened scales but can’t think of anything to cut for it

Okay got rid of tenuous truce and gluntch the bestower (this one hurt) and added cyclonic rift and hardened scales

I think it’s in a better place now

[tall blaze]

Tenuous truce is poopoo

If you're behind, it's slow, if you're a head, they'll just break it

[clear aspen]

Yeaaaa I afree

[tall blaze]

I like it in theory but in practice people don't want to give you the value

[clear aspen]

I like gluntch tho he was fun

[tall blaze]

I wanna try out my bumbleflower theory list but I don't wanna hunt for people willing to let me play on mox

[sand island]

We'll get a bumbleflower pod going sometime, dw

[tall blaze]

that would be stupid as hell

bring your [[Kozilek, Butcher of Truth]] or [[Laboratory Maniac]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/2/kozilek-butcher-of-truth

Kozilek, Butcher of Truth <:mana10:292901508851302400>

Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
When you cast this spell, draw four cards.
Annihilator 4 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices four permanents of their choice.)
When Kozilek, Butcher of Truth is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles their graveyard into their library.
12/12

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/71/laboratory-maniac

Laboratory Maniac <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
If you would draw a card while your library has no cards in it, you win the game instead.
His mind whirled with grand plans, never thinking of what might happen if he were to succeed.
2/2

[sand island]

Always do

[tall blaze]

I actually unironically want to run [[Ulamog, the Defiler]] in mine.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/15/ulamog-the-defiler

Ulamog, the Defiler <:mana10:292901508851302400>

Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
When you cast this spell, target opponent exiles the top half of their library, rounded up.
Ward—Sacrifice two permanents.
Ulamog, the Defiler enters with a number of +1/+1 counters on it equal to the greatest mana value among cards in exile.
Ulamog has annihilator X, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on it.
7/7

[tall blaze]

+1/+1 counter synergy

[sand island]

I run both lab man and jace in mine

[tall blaze]

and of course, the silliness of little cute bunny and giant eldrazi

[tall blaze]

Does that pay off regularly or is it more of an in-case-of-emergency

[sand island]

Random eldrazi in non-eldrazi decks are just fun

Last game i drew out with [[toothy, imag]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/12/toothy-imaginary-friend

Toothy, Imaginary Friend <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Illusion
Partner with Pir, Imaginative Rascal (When this creature enters, target player may put Pir into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Toothy, Imaginary Friend.
When Toothy leaves the battlefield, draw a card for each +1/+1 counter on it.
1/1

[sand island]

For the victory*

[tall blaze]

Also, why run both? surely if you are decking yourself, you will eventually draw the one you need

[sand island]

Might wheel the other one

I run [[windfall]] and [[tolarian winds]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/123/windfall

Windfall <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Each player discards their hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way.
"Rich" is a relative term.

https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/105/tolarian-winds

Tolarian Winds <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Discard all the cards in your hand, then draw that many cards.
Why not ask the winds? —Tolarian expression meaning "Who knows?"

[tall blaze]

Ah right

I saw a creature recently which had a repeatable windfall ability

Forgot what it was

[sand island]

Huh, that sounds sweet

[tall blaze]

Oh, [[Jace's Archivist]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/c15/95/jaces-archivist

Jace's Archivist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Vedalken Wizard
, : Each player discards their hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way.
"This is a sacred duty. Master Beleren's trust has bought an eternity of my loyalty."
2/2

[tall blaze]

I'm sure with an untap ability somewhere you could combo this out to mill everyone to death

With your own eldrazi to stop yourself from dying

Or a lab man for the win

[[Mind over Matter]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/exo/40/mind-over-matter

Mind Over Matter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Discard a card: You may tap or untap target artifact, creature, or land.
Lyna turned to the figure beside her. "They're gone. What now?" "As ever," said Urza, "we wait."

[tall blaze]

I feel like that will combo with anything though

Any tap to draw ability = lab man win

[sand island]

Yeah, maybe he could go in my Sokrates wheel/mill deck

[glossy fox]

seems overcosted

[clear aspen]

Pulled her today excited to put her in my deck

[pastel agate]

Same! I needed to find a slot for it

[hot breach]

Sab-Sunen seems to have a cool thing with the rabbit once set up, so many cards

[sand island]

Yeah, hmm

[tribal temple]

Does anyone think Sab-Sunen is too much draw? I feel like we are very close to over drawing in the deck :p

[sand island]

Is there such a thing as too much draw?

[clear aspen]

I’m a little worried actually about token doublers with sab sunen though

Cause then you can only be even or odd

https://tenor.com/view/stay-cool-gif-345284205728757231

Unless you have 2 token doublers at the same time

[sand island]

2 counter doubles would still increase it by an even amount

[clear aspen]

Oh wait no

Yeaaaa. But I like sexy frog mommy so ill make it work

[pastel agate]

Yeah I’m not quite in on including it in my deck since I have a lot of counter adders/doublers

[tall zephyr]

https://moxfield.com/decks/UEnU8FHLREeldJLTFe2-dA hello. i kinda wanna try add some more removal to the deck but i dunno what to cut?

[sand island]

You already have a ton of removal

I think season of gathering is pretty high in mv and might be difficult to double spell with, but cool card

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/F-CasGtbQ0uBZmC6JN7e6w

here’s my list! It’s also +1/+1 counters based

[tall zephyr]

To twll you rhe truth

That card been more a finisher than removal

Lol

[pastel agate]

It’s fine, I’m not personally a fan

Not for bumble anyway

[sand island]

Yeah I believe that for the trample, but I don't think I've ever needed trample specifically. Usually rogue's passage does evasion for me if I need more than flying.

[tall zephyr]

Looks neat.

[pastel agate]

Thanks! It’s the demon of our playgroupclol

They let me ultimate [[!tamiyo|blc]] and they just scooped from there lol

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/100/tamiyo-field-researcher

Tamiyo, Field Researcher

[sand island]

lmao

I haven't played bumble in so long. I think I'm going through withdrawals.

[pastel agate]

You need to get reps!!

It’s how you keep up the skeels

[tribal temple]

https://archidekt.com/decks/9101618/ms_bumbleflower?sort=alpha&stack=types

here’s my +1/+1 counter list. I think mine is more value oriented where yours is more about adding extra counters. This deck has worked very well for me. Let me know if you have any questions!

[tall blaze]

I need to order one

Will wait for the price to come down though

[tribal temple]

She is expnesive right now?

[sand island]

[[$asab sunan]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “asab sunan”

[sand island]

[[$sab sunan]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “sab sunan”

[sand island]

I give up 😛

[tribal temple]

lol

I saw they are $7 for the alt art currently in pre-release

Im unsure how excited people are for her in the other formats and prerelease is typically higher than release

[sand island]

Oh it's [[$sab-sunen]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/221/sab-sunen-luxa-embodied

Prices for Sab-Sunen, Luxa Embodied

Aetherdrift

$6.30 • €8.16 • 2.00 TIX

Aetherdrift

$6.39 • 2.00 TIX

Aetherdrift

$37.77 • 2.00 TIX

Aetherdrift

$51.97 • 2.00 TIX

[sand island]

Yeah, dropped a lot

I'm not someone who opens sealed product, but this set seems very low value

(Not that you should expect to make money off of a children's card game)

[pastel agate]

Yeah the EV on this set is poopoo garbage fr

[sand island]

dogwater even

[boreal schooner]

She was at 12. But people keep going hot and cold on her.

[sand island]

You could say they're yes and they're no

[pastel agate]

She did stone cold nothing when I tried to play with her last night in Simic™️ but that’s also because I won that turn

[pastel agate]

I’m more on the “in and they’re out” train

[sand island]

Well, maybe you're just wrong when it's right

[pastel agate]

She not even black or white

[tall blaze]

What the hell how have I never seen this card before

it's bumbleflower gold

[[Archmage Ascension]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/zen/42/archmage-ascension

Archmage Ascension <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each end step, if you drew two or more cards this turn, you may put a quest counter on Archmage Ascension.
As long as Archmage Ascension has six or more quest counters on it, if you would draw a card, you may instead search your library for a card, put that card into your hand, then shuffle.

[tall blaze]

EACH end step

and if you run proliferate stuff like [[Dreamtide Whale]] you can get it online pretty quick

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/59/dreamtide-whale

Dreamtide Whale <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Whale
Vanishing 2 (This creature enters with two time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from it. When the last is removed, sacrifice it.)
Whenever a player casts their second spell each turn, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
7/5

[sand island]

Do you really need to tutor every draw? I can't think of something I'd tutor for specifically tbh

[tall zephyr]

Seems its hinged on you drawing your prolifirate stuff + archmage asc

[tall zephyr]

Aight thanks

[sand island]

There's also [[pir imagin]] which helps with all counters.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/11/pir-imaginative-rascal

Pir, Imaginative Rascal <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human
Partner with Toothy, Imaginary Friend (When this creature enters, target player may put Toothy into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
If one or more counters would be put on a permanent your team controls, that many plus one of each of those kinds of counters are put on that permanent instead.
1/1

[pastel agate]

It’d be cumbersome as hell but kinda good. It’d slow your play speed down tenfold

So like, good but I’d rather not triple the time it takes for me to take my turn

[sand island]

I'd just end up tutoring for the top card to speed it up, yeah

It really does make for a toolbox card though

[pastel agate]

I do also have cards that care about drawing like Shabraz too so

[sand island]

Oh right, it replaces the draw

Hmm what are thoughts on [[ominous seas]]? It seems like it could be okay.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/61/ominous-seas

Ominous Seas <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever you draw a card, put a foreshadow counter on Ominous Seas.
Remove eight foreshadow counters from Ominous Seas: Create an 8/8 blue Kraken creature token.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

[tall blaze]

I recall JLK ran it in his bumbleflower, it could be a good - basically every time you draw 8 cards create an 8/8

A little slow perhaps

In the early game you wont have the setup to get that much draw any time soon

in the late game it's just gonna do nothing for a while

[pastel agate]

We’ve talked about it in the past, I’m not a fan

[tribal temple]

I also cut ominous seas, seems good at first glance, but there are so many good cards for bumble that are better

[sand island]

Yeah, probably not worth it, but interesting card nonetheless

[glossy fox]

bombleflower

[sand island]

flower power

[glossy fox]

https://discord.com/channels/675113113934364683/1020648631763738724 you guys gotta beat this thread

[pastel agate]

we eventually will

[sand island]

It is inevitable

[glossy fox]

what are the current top 3 threads

in size

[pastel agate]

Mxkale’s, general, and Daed’s I’m pretty sure

Oh, no, we’ve actually surpassed mxkale’s

[sand island]

[pastel agate]

Of course it’s not entirely fair since it’s been a rotating list of like 20-25 people here vs. 10 or so in the others but still

https://tenor.com/view/himouto-umaru-chan-gif-24354227

[glossy fox]

thats irrelevant

the message number is all that counts

[pastel agate]

True

[glossy fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545425043983826979/1286695567451492424/dancing_fungus.gif

[tribal temple]

I feel like its mostly @sand island @pastel agate with a little bit of me in here. We gotta get Sleepy playing again

[sand island]

There have been a ton of new bumblers too

[pastel agate]

Truly

[tall blaze]

So brackets

[pastel agate]

Eh. Talk to your playgroup.

Personally I know it will affect literally zero for me

Because I have a trusted group I play with

And even if it does become relevant, say, removing all the GCs, I lose out on cyc rift

[sand island]

Same

(Except no cyc rift)

[pastel agate]

Oh wait I also lose out on fierce guardianship

[sand island]

There's just such a huge power descrepancy within any of these "brackets", that it's equally useless to anything before.

[pastel agate]

True

[sand island]

I guess they call out specific problematic cards though? 🤷

[tribal temple]

not a fan of the brackets for free play currently. I thought the old system worked really well

[sand island]

I think any system is an excercise in futility

[solemn hamlet]

Glad to know the brackets don't affect me at all lol

[sand island]

Hope you're doing well sleepy

[solemn hamlet]

🔥

Going to a card show Sunday and probably gonna play some commander after that so that's hype

[sand island]

Pog. Gonna play bumble?

[solemn hamlet]

I think

Bumble or Magar

Depends on how much I want to use my brain that night lol

[sand island]

lol

[solemn hamlet]

The last time I played Magar I had to resolve a copied Call Forth the Tempest that cascaded into Bituminous Blast at one point

[sand island]

[[call forth the tempest]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/509/call-forth-the-tempest

Call Forth the Tempest <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Cascade, cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order. Then do it again.)
Call Forth the Tempest deals damage to each creature your opponents control equal to the total mana value of other spells you've cast this turn.

[solemn hamlet]

😅

[sand island]

That's a sweet card

I run apex devastator a lot, so I know the feeling lol

[[bituminous blast]] is just a damage cascade eh?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/181/bituminous-blast

Bituminous Blast <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom in a random order.)
Bituminous Blast deals 4 damage to target creature.

[solemn hamlet]

Yeah

I lost that game still lmao

[sand island]

Don't run [[imoti, celebrant]] lmao

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/280/imoti-celebrant-of-bounty

Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Snake Druid
Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom in a random order.)
Spells you cast with mana value 6 or greater have cascade.
3/1

[solemn hamlet]

Looool yeah my friend has Imoti Eldrazis

[sand island]

cascade chaining decks take sooooo long to resolve

[solemn hamlet]

I made the Magar deck with a goal of copying and spam casting [[Prisoner's dilemma]] a ton

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/34/prisoners-dilemma

Prisoner's Dilemma <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each opponent secretly chooses silence or snitch, then the choices are revealed. If each opponent chose silence, Prisoner's Dilemma deals 4 damage to each of them. If each opponent chose snitch, Prisoner's Dilemma deals 8 damage to each of them. Otherwise, Prisoner's Dilemma deals 12 damage to each opponent who chose silence.
Flashback

[solemn hamlet]

But doing that leads to kind of holding the game hostage for your turn lol

[sand island]

Prisoner's dimlemma is fun

[solemn hamlet]

Aw crap this is the bumbleflower thread

[sand island]

It does take a long time to resolve though heh

[solemn hamlet]

🐇

[sand island]

I run [[wheel of misfortune]] for a wheel alternative, but it also takes a while to resolve

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/211/wheel-of-misfortune

Wheel of Misfortune <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each player secretly chooses a number 0 or greater, then all players reveal those numbers simultaneously and determine the highest and lowest numbers revealed this way. Wheel of Misfortune deals damage equal to the highest number to each player who chose that number. Each player who didn't choose the lowest number discards their hand, then draws seven cards.

[solemn hamlet]

That card is awesome

[sand island]

Cards that have their own mini games are neat.

[solemn hamlet]

I have an unhealthy addiction to copying spells like that

[[Goblin game]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/pls/61/goblin-game

Goblin Game <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each player hides at least one item, then all players reveal them simultaneously. Each player loses life equal to the number of items they revealed. The player who revealed the fewest items then loses half their life, rounded up. If two or more players are tied for fewest, each loses half their life, rounded up.

[sand island]

lmao

I want to make a deck with [[the seventh doctor]] since that sounds like a really fun mini game

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/158/the-seventh-doctor

The Seventh Doctor <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Time Lord Doctor
Whenever The Seventh Doctor attacks, choose a card in your hand. Defending player guesses whether that card's mana value is greater than the number of artifacts you control. If they guessed wrong, you may cast it without paying its mana cost. If you don't cast a spell this way, investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
3/6

[sand island]

And then you use [[nyssa of traken]] as your companion, so you can manipulate the number of artifacts you have.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/51/nyssa-of-traken

Nyssa of Traken <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Scientist
You have no maximum hand size.
Sonic Booster — Whenever Nyssa of Traken attacks, sacrifice any number of artifacts. When you sacrifice one or more artifacts this way, tap up to that many target creatures and draw that many cards.
Doctor's companion (You can have two commanders if the other is the Doctor.)
3/4

[solemn hamlet]

Oh that's silly

[sand island]

I don't think any cards are going into my bumbleflower deck from Aetherdrift

Maybe frog god, but not sure

[solemn hamlet]

I like the aetherspark

[sand island]

Yeah same. We'll see how affordable it gets.

[solemn hamlet]

Yeah, definitely not worth that price tag to me rn

Eh it just kind of makes anything you attach a giant target for removal

Ahhh damn it would have been cool if I can suit up someone else's creature with it effectively 🤣

[sand island]

I was going to put it in my voltron deck anyways

[[rammas echor, ancient shield]] could be interesting

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/505/rammas-echor-ancient-shield

Rammas Echor, Ancient Shield <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, draw a card, then create a 0/3 white Wall creature token with defender.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, creatures you control with defender gain exalted until end of turn. (Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each instance of exalted among permanents you control.)

[sand island]

Kinda too high mv

[pastel agate]

@solemn hamlet We have been blessed by the presence of sleepy??

How are you dawg

[tall blaze]

I think the bit that everyone is ignoring is the non-technical component. Like if you tryhard optimise your deck, even if it doesn't have any GC, tutors etc, it's still not a 2

My Zimone I've spent a lot of time working on, and even if I get rid of the one GC, I'd say it's still a 3

[wicked cove]

Hey guys, I am relatively new to the commander format, but got intrigued with the bunny and her carrot and stick philosophy. So I am thinking to getting a deck together with her as the commander. Is it possible to get her to medium to highish power on a budget? And what direction should I go? Mill them to death or +1/+1 counter and run them over? Any tips would be appreciated 🙂 Cheers

[tall blaze]

Mill is a tough ask, I would suggest 1/1 counters or a combo line

There is also a go-wide variant I'm experimenting with but don't know how successful it will be

[wicked cove]

So like sneaky buildup and hit hard later?

Thank you 🙂

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/F-CasGtbQ0uBZmC6JN7e6w

here’s my list if you’re needing inspiration. It’s a terror at my tables

There’s quite a few good budget cards for the deck

Welcome to the bumblers

[wicked cove]

Hey, thank you very much 🙂

Is it possible to build her solidly on a budget?

[pastel agate]

For sure

The thing about bumble is that she rewards you for doing very little - casting spells

From there, finding a theme you like and doing it on a budget is relatively easy

[sand island]

Now I'm thinking about a mill bumbleflower...

I do have those persistent petitioners...

[pastel agate]

Think about the court

You can protect monarch pretty well

And it mills everyone for 10

Run mindskinner

[sand island]

Yeah, that does seem good 🤔

[tall blaze]

[[jin gitaxis, core]] [[forced fruition]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “jin gitaxis, core”

https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/66/forced-fruition

Forced Fruition <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards.
"Petals within petals within petals, tadpole. The truth lurks below an opulence of illusion." —Neerdiv, fallowsage

[tall blaze]

[[jin-gitaxias, core]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/62/jin-gitaxias-core-augur

Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur <:mana8:292901508830330880><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Flash
At the beginning of your end step, draw seven cards.
Each opponent's maximum hand size is reduced by seven.
"It is not a goal, but a process—the process of creating the perfect Phyrexia."
5/4

[sand island]

I already run forced fruition lol

Jin gitaxias wouldn't be necessary tbh

[hot breach]

[[Food chain]] lines do that pretty well :p

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/147/food-chain

Food Chain <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Exile a creature you control: Add X mana of any one color, where X is 1 plus the exiled creature's mana value. Spend this mana only to cast creature spells.
Every predator is something else's prey.

[sand island]

Ah well, food chain is bullshit

[tall blaze]

Also a very expensive deck haha.

[pastel agate]

True, I just mean there’s still a lot of cheap cards in mine

[tall blaze]

I pulled a [[hedron crab]] today and felt like maybe I want it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/zen/47/hedron-crab

Hedron Crab <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Crab
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, target player mills three cards.
Hedrons perplex minds both great and small.
0/2

[pastel agate]

I do need to work on foiling the deck more aggressively though

[sand island]

Oh damn, good shout. Maybe that's how I'd use my cultivator colossus.

[tall blaze]

I'm imagining stuff for my zimone, making it more explosive with [[lumra]] and [[sylvan safekeeper]] milling everyone to death in one turn by binning all my lands and bringing them back

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/183/lumra-bellow-of-the-woods

Lumra, Bellow of the Woods <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Bear
Vigilance, reach
Lumra, Bellow of the Woods's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control.
When Lumra enters, mill four cards. Then return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
*/*

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/287/sylvan-safekeeper

Sylvan Safekeeper <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Wizard
Sacrifice a land: Target creature you control gains shroud until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
"He has been to the heart of the wood. Did you truly expect to wield power over him?" —Oakhide druid
1/1

[tall blaze]

Oh it's target player rather than all opponents

Still funny

[sand island]

Countering Lumra 😎

There's the other crab that does all players, but only for 1

[tall blaze]

[[aftermath analyst]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/148/aftermath-analyst

Aftermath Analyst <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Detective
When Aftermath Analyst enters, mill three cards.
, Sacrifice Aftermath Analyst: Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
"Could someone bring me more evidence markers? Like . . . a lot more?"
1/3

[tall blaze]

Something something reclamation

[sand island]

Stifling aftermath analyst 😎

[tall blaze]

[[Splendid Reclamation]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/221/splendid-reclamation

Splendid Reclamation <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
"These seeds waited faithfully for the sun to rise again. Now, their patience is rewarded." —Wrenn

[tall blaze]

And hold priorit and [[krosan grip]] my own sol ring

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/198/krosan-grip

Krosan Grip <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Split second (As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't cast spells or activate abilities that aren't mana abilities.)
Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
"Give up these unnatural weapons, these scrolls. Heart and mind and fist are enough." —Zyd, Kamahlite druid

[sand island]

I know there are a lot of cards that do the same thing

[tall blaze]

[sand island]

It's just if you sac all your lands, how will you play them?

[tall blaze]

High risk if your replay gets countered, yeah

[wicked cove]

Is the Precon good out of the box? Or would it be possible to build a stronger version of miss B on that budget?

[tall blaze]

I probably wouldn't do it, but will likely add lumra and the safekeeper anyway

[sand island]

[[world shaper]] is another good one

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/214/world-shaper

World Shaper <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Merfolk Shaman
Whenever World Shaper attacks, you may mill three cards.
When World Shaper dies, return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
"The Great River will not be tamed."
3/3

[tall blaze]

It's a pretty strong precon due to lots of alt win cons, so wins a lot at precon tables

Maybe I'll see about making a $50 bumbleflower list

[wicked cove]

it is like 80€ here on secondary market

[tall blaze]

Damn really

Well it's getting a reprint this month

I ordered a second copy

[wicked cove]

ohh it does?

do you know when?