#Umaru’s Decklist Thread

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grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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it’s basically [[garna bloodfist]] 2.0

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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And you can shit out tokens waaaay faster in this deck

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Idk why he only mobilizes 1 though

frail flare
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Because it probably overwhelms too quickly

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If he mobilized more than 1 then he either starts drawing more than one extra card per combat or draining the table by a lot.

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Have you watched the LRR EDSC game posted yesterday?

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If you haven't, there are some times where it's clearer why it's only 1 to try to be non-spoiler-y

misty geyser
sharp garden
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I watched it last night. Good game.

frail flare
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I don't want to spoil it because it had a lot of momentum shifts.

sharp garden
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Same lol. I'll just say the Jeskai deck surprised me

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Seems like a lot of fun

frail flare
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I realized something funny though, that's not a spoiler. I think the Jeskai are in like a triumverate situation.

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So, Narset is the wayfinder, which is different than the khan.

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And there's the one card that had flavor text with her thanking Taigam and Elsha.

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Which is why the Jeskai deck must not be breaking the statement they did of the Dragon and the "Khan" both being present in the deck.

true star
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What is thy deck you made from this thread

misty geyser
frail flare
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I'm actually really curious on your thoughts on the Zurgo after finishingthe episode.

sharp garden
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My opinion: He seems very strong, since you're rewarded for always attacking. Worst case you deal damage. Best case you draw cards. Even better if you have some way to sac the tokens after combat damage and before combat ends.

misty geyser
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There’s also a metric crapton of token generators that make temporary tokens

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This was my old Garna list

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I took it apart because it felt too slow

sharp garden
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Stuff like myriad becomes a draw 3 too

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Insaaaane

misty geyser
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[[blade of selves]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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It exiles

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Oh SHIT

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leaves the battlefield

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Okay this is crazy

frail flare
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It's why the deck has 3 ways of giving myriad

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It doesn't have [[Duke ulder]]

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Noble Soldier
At the beginning of combat on your turn, another target creature you control gains haste and myriad until end of turn. (Whenever it attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token copy that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control. Exile the tokens at end of combat.)
5/5

frail flare
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But probably wrong timing at 6

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Also wrong general vibe

misty geyser
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Alright just finished the video

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||James loves commander??? WEEEE||

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Honest to God this precon is so stacked that i will have to make changes based on vibes

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I have made a few changes already but even then I’m not sure if it’ll make it better

sharp garden
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I'm not sure how I feel about the abzan precon from that video

misty geyser
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I like it tbh, it’s a pretty honest stompy deck

sharp garden
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I was hoping to grab one and leave as-is, and Abzan might be that one

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Or I'll just wait for FF

misty geyser
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I might do that for the mardu deck

sharp garden
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A friend in my play group has an Isshin deck, and it might feel too similar, or I would be tempted to do the same tbh

misty geyser
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I’m glad they didn’t try to shoehorn mobilize into the deck

sharp garden
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Yeah, there are only a few cards with it

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Temur looked like the least interesting to me. Too bad nobody played it to prove me otherwise

misty geyser
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I think your senses are right on that

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It’s just

Play Dragon

Swing Dragon

…dragon

sharp garden
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It's everything I hate about tribal tbh

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Theme? Dragon. What do your dragons do? They dragon.

misty geyser
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Dragon deez

sharp garden
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I read Ender's Game a million times as a kid so I can only think "Your ass is Dragon"

frail flare
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I just did an attempt at an update without touching the lands and it wasn't too bad

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And no, I didn't add any combos in that I know of

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It is a very good list though at base

misty geyser
frail flare
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I don't love beetleback

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I swapped it with [[seige gang lieutenant]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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But it does need zurgo out. So, hrm

misty geyser
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Ngl, I completely forgot about beetleback

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That is cut too now haha

frail flare
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The elspeth's are fine?

misty geyser
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I think the token doubler one is a given, the 6 mana one is iffy but can’t beat one sided wipe that produces three tokens sometimes too

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Those are definitely the top of the curve. Like only casting that that turn kinda thing

frail flare
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Yeah the doubler is

misty geyser
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I really love that 3 drop red creature

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That “doubles” tokens

frail flare
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Recommend [[jacked rabbit]] based on what I'm seeing

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Ooh. That’s a good idea too

frail flare
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Yeah, the stormsinger is absurd with like [[rionya]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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[[Kambal, profiteering]] was another idea I had for this

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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I think I’m gonna add some more removal, ramp, and token generation

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And anything else I have might get put into impact tremors effects

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Impact tremors will most certainly better than life drain stuff

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Though the lifegain ones could be helpful

frail flare
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[[Tempt with bunnies]]?

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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I’m not a fan of one off token generation, nor am I a fan of tempt cards, but that’s not a bad idea

frail flare
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No, you're probably right

misty geyser
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I just really prefer persistent token generation

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[[lagomos hand of hat]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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here’s a fun one I’ve liked including

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Don’t even care about the tutor as much as I care about the token

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And they self sac for the drain

frail flare
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[[Elas il-kor]]?

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Hm

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Not a bad idea, soul sister + zulaport

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What about [[searslicer goblin]]?

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Super cheap way to generate a token a turn, swing the goblin it makes at minimum

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There’s also that enchantment that makes a menace pirate

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Uh

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[[daring piracy]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Also, [[howlsquad heavy]] is basically a better goblin rabblemaster

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Also eventually doubles as ramp

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Especially since a lot of token gen in red+ is goblins

frail flare
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Yeah

misty geyser
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@frail flare thoughts on [[ajani nacatl]]?

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Cat Warrior
When Ajani enters, create a 2/1 white Cat Warrior creature token.
Whenever one or more other Cats you control die, you may exile Ajani, then return him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
His pride denied him; his brother did not.
1/2

Ajani, Nacatl Avenger
Legendary Planeswalker — Ajani
+2: Put a +1/+1 counter on each Cat you control.
0: Create a 2/1 white Cat Warrior creature token. When you do, if you control a red permanent other than Ajani, he deals damage equal to the number of creatures you control to any target.
−4: Each opponent chooses an artifact, a creature, an enchantment, and a planeswalker from among the nonland permanents they control, then sacrifices the rest.
Loyalty: 3

misty geyser
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I have a textured foil I’ve been wanting to use lol

frail flare
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I would absolutely try to do a warrior deck...

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But that's just a new deck

misty geyser
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[[zurgo|tdc]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Ooh warrior typal is a neat idea

frail flare
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[[Gornog]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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This one seems deece

misty geyser
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So one thing I’ve noticed is that I’ve got a lot of 3 drop cards in the deck

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I wanna cut that down ideally

true star
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So whatcha building here this time? I’m always confused by the cards😂

misty geyser
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Currently, the new Zurgo

true star
misty geyser
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Yes

true star
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Hmm I’ll see

true star
misty geyser
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True!

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I’m also looking for cuts, ideally to lower the curve

misty geyser
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Cards to remove from the deck

true star
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Extra combats would be nice

true star
misty geyser
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Turns out both of them are in the deck already

true star
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Wait a fuckin minute

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Scrubland?

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Badlands?!

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No way

misty geyser
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I proxy expensive cards

misty geyser
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Alright gamers

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I have created a Sultai version of Jund Midrange

frail flare
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I mean it is saltier

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(Joke on Sultai)

misty geyser
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List of changes:
Etali, Primal Storm —> Bonny Pall, Clearcutter
Korvold, Fae-Cursed King —> Psychic Frog
Lord Windgrace —> Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait
Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes —> Insidious Roots
Muerra, Trash Tactician —> The Wise Mothman
Angrath, the Flame-Chained —> Wight of the Reliquary
Indoraptor, the Perfect Hybrid —> Torrent Elemental
Chainer, Nightmare Adept —> Muldrotha, the Gravetide
Call Forth the Tempest —> Cyclonic Rift
Ignoble Hierarch —> Deranged Assistant
Talisman of Indulgence —> Talisman of Dominance
Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire —> Talion, the Kindly Lord
Kroxa, Titan of Death’s Hunger —> Uro, Titan of Nature’s Wrath

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Some were questionable changes

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But I think I did alright

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I also added one more ramp spell and one less removal spell than I meant

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Also Life from the Loam is a lot less useful here

craggy owl
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I saw Teval spoiled and thought “oh hey I could do Windgrace but in Sultai”.

frail flare
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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But it clearly wants cheating to happen.

misty geyser
misty geyser
misty geyser
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My only complaint with the discard suite - why the HELL is [[archon of cruelty]] target opponent

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Makes me so sad

craggy owl
misty geyser
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And the ETB is mid

craggy owl
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The etb/attack trigger is more of a grind than instant devastation.

misty geyser
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I mean, even the attack trigger just seems mid for a 6 drop.

craggy owl
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I recently got my Excel file to update the values of some cards based on what cards are already in a deck, so I’ve been gauging Rottenmouth better for decks such as Marchesa/Tivit/Tevesh/11 & Hopper and not in other ones.

lapis anvilBOT
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Long May She Reign! :crown:

craggy owl
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Huh, that didn’t use to work in threads.

misty geyser
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That makes sense - even with a 2 cost reduction, I’d say viper goes back to being worth

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Oh!!

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It might be worth it in Teval!

craggy owl
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But yeah, some decks Rottenmouth doesn't fit in because its outclassed by a bunch of other stuff.

frail flare
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[[Rotten mouth viper]]

grand hingeBOT
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Creature — Elemental Snake
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may sacrifice any number of nonland permanents. This spell costs mana1 less to cast for each permanent sacrificed this way.
Whenever this creature enters or attacks, put a blight counter on it. Then for each blight counter on it, each opponent loses 4 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent of their choice or discards a card.
6/6

frail flare
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Yeah, the decks I've seen use it best are like Golgari decks.

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Or black Braids

craggy owl
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Most of my Rottenmouth Vipers get one trigger and eat removal because no one wants to see the game state of 2+ counters on a Rottenmouth Viper.

true star
hushed tapir
misty geyser
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I like the new one

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It’s pretty neat

true star
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Black or blue which one?

frail flare
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I like both of them.

hushed tapir
true star
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Some Mf at my lgs played the nastiest most evil Tergrid deck with braids💔

true star
hushed tapir
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The DMU one isn’t even that bad ;-;

true star
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With Tergrid she is a lil different:/

frail flare
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You don't have to sacrifice to her though, unlike the original one.

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But I don't think we should derail on this. I only brought her up because of the discussion of the snake

true star
misty geyser
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Gamers I think I’m going to do a little moving outside my comfort zone today, magic-wise

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I’m hoping y’all can assist

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Basically, the deck is a tchotchke deck that utilizes the 4th doc as card advantage and Dan Lewis as an additional way to win the game in the cz

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I wanna make a ton of food, treasure, clues, junk, 3/2 vehicles, powerstones - whatever makes the most artifact tokens possible, I want it

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Major, major bonus points if the card is historic

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I’m also always looking to push the curve down so recommendations that way are good too

frail flare
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[[gimbal]]

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Gremlin Artificer
Artifact creatures you control have trample.
At the beginning of your end step, create a 0/0 red Gremlin artifact creature token. Put X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the number of differently named artifact tokens you control.
You are what you eat, and everything he'd eaten was brilliant.
4/4

frail flare
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[[cyberdrive awakener]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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[[worldwalker helm]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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[[schema thief]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
frail flare
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There's also the thopter lord

misty geyser
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Cyberdrive might be good as a finisher,

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I’m trying to update it to new sets

frail flare
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Mm

frail flare
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I don't think you want to dip into energy but [[pia, nalar, chief]] might be worth it because it's on damage

grand hingeBOT
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No card found for “pia, nalar, chief”

frail flare
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[[Pia nalaar |drc]]

grand hingeBOT
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Multiple cards match “Pia nalaar” in Aetherdrift Commander, can you be more specific?

frail flare
frail flare
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I think [[junk jet]] is a great card from that list

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Oh! [[Kiane|dsc]]?

grand hingeBOT
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No card found named “Kiane” in Duskmourn: House of Horror Commander

frail flare
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[[kianne, corrupted]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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She doesn't make artifact tokens BUT she lets you cast historic spells on other turns.

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So you get more 4th doctor triggers

misty geyser
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Hmmmm

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I like it, though I might just go with vedalken orrery if I was gonna do that.

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Just to avoid also having to line up the +1/+1 counters right too

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Seems like a pain

frail flare
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Fair

hushed tapir
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Since the 4th doc cares about those

hushed tapir
craggy owl
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@misty geyser depletion lands for Windgrace/Teval, yay or nay?

sharp garden
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Not Umaru, but yay. I love depletion lands.

craggy owl
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Dunno why I never thought of it until bantering with Colossus in another channel.

sharp garden
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I've been running them in my graveyard lands deck and I love them

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Especially if you're already running Spelunking

frail flare
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I don't run depletion lands but mainly because I don't have any

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I think they're probably worth it

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I run [[gemstone mine]] in windgrace and it's not dissimilar.

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Idk which those are

sharp garden
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[[hickory woodlot]]

grand hingeBOT
craggy owl
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[[Peat Bog]], Hickory Woodlot, and friends

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Ohhh

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Yeah, could be pretty good

craggy owl
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Saprazzan Skerry for blue, and I don't recall the red one

misty geyser
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Not a bad shout

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They’re literally just 🌈ancient tomb mana🌈

craggy owl
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But they appear more niche and conditional, so less tryhard while also not being a gamechanger

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And players are a bit more lenient with cards that synergize with a commander than ones that don't anyway.

frail flare
craggy owl
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Depletion lands? No.

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Depletion lands are a hallmark of meme-y gimmick decks more than anything.

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"Here's my Etali Worldfire deck, t1 storage counter land, t2 depletion land, and t5 cast Etali and flip Worldfire."

frail flare
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I've only ever seen them in cedh lists somehow. But I may be weird.

misty geyser
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I will have to find some. That’s a good idea

craggy owl
dim heath
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Gamers, I’m tired of saying I want to build an aragorn deck and not doing it

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I’m thinking this is just gonna be “Jeskai pet cards”

frail flare
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The monarch one?

misty geyser
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Yeah

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[[aragorn king of gondor]]

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Noble
Vigilance, lifelink
When Aragorn enters, you become the monarch.
Whenever Aragorn attacks, up to one target creature can't block this turn. If you're the monarch, creatures can't block this turn.
"In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world."
4/4

misty geyser
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Seeing as it’s midnight here I’m gonna go to bed and work on this in the morning

frail flare
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Yeah, it's 1 am here and I need to be at work in under 7 hours

tired wind
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Initiative also works well with him

craggy owl
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Farewell monarch, hello presidency

dense wadi
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Think you’ll lean into monarch cards or the lack of blocking?

misty geyser
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Aggro is in my name after all

dense wadi
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I had a feeling

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Well, I feel I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention you’re in extra combat step upon hit territory thanks to red

misty geyser
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Hmmmm

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I do like Karlach a lot

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And Moraug

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I also am doing this decklist completely on vibes, and need to make 13 more cuts ;-;

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And what’s worse is I haven’t even cracked my trade binder open to pull cards from that yet

dense wadi
frail flare
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This sounds like my Far Fortune deck except jeskai

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I think the problem with going all in on multiple cards with additional combats is that you probably can just focus it to one or two

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Like, [[neheb, the eternal]] to feed into [[relentless assault]] or [[waves of aggression]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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sorry, [[aggravated assault]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Moraug has the problem with jeskai of not easily getting additional land drops except as catch-up

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And Karlach triggers once.

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Also, double checking

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[[karlach]] [[moraug]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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OK, so you're still getting a main phase after the second combat phase when you can play the land for moraug's extra combat

dense wadi
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Sure I don’t think you need a ton

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It’s one of those diminishing returns things

frail flare
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Yeah

misty geyser
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Not to mention I also run a suite of 4-6 classic fetches in my decks normally

tired wind
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(ignore the weird manabase, I had to build it this way so that Initiative couldnt tutor for a basic)

misty geyser
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Initiative is 100% getting added to it

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I have a Seezy Deezy in there already, I just need a WPA

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How has Bilbo been for you?

tired wind
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dont forget [[Arakocra Sneak]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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I think he’s secretly going to be insane

misty geyser
tired wind
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Bilbo was one of the best early drops in my experience

tired wind
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I found Sneak to be very underrated by people

frail flare
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Bilbo is amazing

tired wind
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Bilbo looks bad until you read the Ring tempts you again

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Its so much value

frail flare
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I have Bilbo in my River Song list because I use rogue synergies

tired wind
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the 3 damage when it connects to everyone is also super underrated

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[[Forth Eorlingas!]] is probably the most underrated card though, Canlander players know how insane this card is but i never see it mentioned anywhere else

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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I don't know that it counts as underrated when [[$forth eorlingas!]]

grand hingeBOT
tired wind
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Yeah but its nearly all from Canlander as far as I can tell

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Its rightfully pointed over there

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This card is busted

frail flare
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That's a question, is Wheeler's Jeskai aragorn deck listed

tired wind
misty geyser
frail flare
tired wind
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Canlander is always a great source for ideas

misty geyser
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It’s probably one of the best sources for “it just works” kinda cards

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Call ‘em the Todd Howards

frail flare
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So there are only 4 changes to be made for color ID or legality

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That's it converted to an aragorn commander list

misty geyser
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I think it needs better escalation cards though

frail flare
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Yeah

tired wind
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I really like it as a source for deceptivly/non-obviously value cards

frail flare
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Also I missed library of alexandria, so 5 chagnes

misty geyser
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Like, it’s got a lot of wheel spinning but no actual win for commander

misty geyser
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As a treat :3

tired wind
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Yeah this is typical 1v1 aggro

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you just hope it doesnt get to the point you need a wincon

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cause the opponent should be dead

misty geyser
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although, we can easily transfer cards 1:1 in and out

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To keep the ratio the same while changing the scalability of the cards

frail flare
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Oculus is a cool idea here though for extra blockers

tired wind
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there is a lot of cards also that only make sense in 1v1

misty geyser
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Then it could be a decent control deck

frail flare
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Since it makes a creature on each opponents' upkeep

tired wind
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Oculus is nice

misty geyser
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Aragorn’s unblockability clause it not to be underestimated

tired wind
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Yeah and some of the bodies need to change too, like i love the Wanderer, she is my girl, but Wandering Emperor is not the card it is in 1v1

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Same with Dreadhorde Arcanist

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and Brazen Borrower

misty geyser
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Wandering emperor is solid

frail flare
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I admit I'd probably end up taking it down the [[Rafiq of the Many]] exalted route

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
frail flare
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But that's not what you'd be looking for here

tired wind
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She is alright, but Eternal Wanderer is essentiall yjust a giant upgrade

frail flare
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Cards that seem good with aragorn, ones that give you a creature for the second you draw in a turn

misty geyser
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Love emrakul’s messenger

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I’d also recommend changing “your second card” to a more generic “when [a player/an opponent/you] draw [your] second card”

frail flare
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That adds [[ian malcolm, chaotician]] and [[the council of four]]

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Scientist
Whenever a player draws their second card each turn, that player exiles the top card of their library.
During each player's turn, that player may cast a spell from among the cards they don't own exiled with Ian Malcolm, and mana of any type can be spent to cast it.
"You've heard of chaos theory?"
2/2

frail flare
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Opponent just adds [[faerie mastermind]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Don't know if Ian is where you want to be

misty geyser
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Nah

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But faerie mastermind, absolutely

dense wadi
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I like [[great train heist]] here I think

grand hingeBOT
dense wadi
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All of its modes synergize well with an aggressive setup that often can’t be blocked

misty geyser
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Hmmmmm true

frail flare
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It at least has interesting timing

dense wadi
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Even at two mana you might end up generating yourself a lot of treasure depending on your board and if you’re doing a Karlach bonus attack or something

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I’d also like to mention [[jeska thrice]] as she makes Aragorn a two hit kill all on her own

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Planeswalker — Jeska
Jeska enters with a loyalty counter on her for each time you've cast a commander from the command zone this game.
0: Choose target creature. Until your next turn, if that creature would deal combat damage to one of your opponents, it deals triple that damage to that player instead.
−X: Jeska deals X damage to each of up to three targets.
Jeska, Thrice Reborn can be your commander.
Partner
Loyalty: 0

dense wadi
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Those two hits can be on the same turn ofc

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The only issue is Aragorn needs to come out at least once ahead of her

misty geyser
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Keep in mind this deck will be pretty heavily curated to be “cards that make brain chemical go brrr”

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I do like Jeska tho

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Lemme get what I’ve got so far into a decklist

dense wadi
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But since you brought it up here I figured it couldn’t hurt to toss in a suggestion or two

misty geyser
misty geyser
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I need 15 cuts 😭

frail flare
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I understand he tickles your brain but people may murder you for the inclusion of space beleren based on the reaction when I've talked about wanting to play it

misty geyser
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Jesus christ am I a bad person?

misty geyser
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He just doesn’t fit quite right anywhere else

frail flare
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Right?!

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I wanted to put him in Toymaker

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Even if they're different sorts of piles

misty geyser
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I haven’t had, like, terrible visceral reactions to him yet

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But I’m going to leave him in just to see

frail flare
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They're both good cards but just remember you can't do both sword of forge and frontier and reaver cleaver

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Because pro red

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Not a nonbo worth taking either out for

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Just to remember

misty geyser
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Eh, it’s enough to annoy me out of running both

frail flare
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I think you might be able to lose a signet

misty geyser
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I don’t like reaver cleaver nearly as much either

frail flare
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I think if you keep one it's forge

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because it means whatever's equipped doesn't take damage from blasphemous act

misty geyser
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I think flare of fortitude isn’t going to do as much as i hope it would here

frail flare
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Only if you are saccing solitude to it

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but otherwise I think you lose more high value creatures than you would want to

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I think you should have [[honor worn shaku]] instead of one fo the signets

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Can tap planeswalkers to untap it

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or legendary equipment

misty geyser
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Talking planeswalkers to shaku was one of my favorite things to do in my superfriends deck

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It was so gross

frail flare
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I know it's not colored mana, but it does a lot to cast any of the high generic cost spells

misty geyser
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This deck feels like a Kamigawa basic kinda deck

frail flare
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Maybe?

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That's a you question

misty geyser
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I have no reasoning, just saying that it feels like one

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Lol

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I’m now coming to the downside of building this kind of deck: I wanna keep all of these cards in here 😭

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110 card special, anyone?

frail flare
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I know that feeling...

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I'm still working on cutting the Jeskai deck I'm working on

frail flare
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How is your brew going?

misty geyser
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Well, ended up going to a jazz lounge last night so I haven’t had much chance to make more headway haha

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I’m at 10, cuts left I think

misty geyser
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Okay, I’m at 2 cuts left

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I’m thinking the 4mv slot is kind of bloated

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I’m thinking Mangara, but his draw is really good

hushed tapir
misty geyser
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I’m thinking one of the 4mv planeswalkers but I’m not sure which

misty geyser
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@hushed tapir @frail flare thoughts on a couple cuts? Maybe Space Beleren won’t make it in after all..

frail flare
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How many lands are you wanting?

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Because you have space for 34 atm

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With the monarch and initiative

misty geyser
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I was aiming for 36

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Could maybe do 35

frail flare
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Ok

misty geyser
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Big sigh, but i think Thalia needs to go

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I’ve only got 27 creatures in the deck

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It’s SO pretty

sharp garden
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Yeah I love that Thalia art

misty geyser
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Tbh I should get a full set of all Thalia Guardian of Thraben printings

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SHE HAS A SERIALIZED CARD??

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Oh no

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I will obtain.. eventually

frail flare
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I think the kraum may be a cut

misty geyser
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Okay y’all, just got a few games with Aragorn in

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Deck’s really fun! I think it could use with a few edits, particularly adding more card draw and removing a few pieces of removal. Space Beleren had his day in the sun! But has to be cut because that card is a nightmare to track

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It pulled a rhystic study and added a ton of time to the game by making people make more decisions on basically every single action

hushed tapir
tired wind
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yeah thats the reason i never tried it in any of my decks

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its cool and all, but such a nightmare to track

misty geyser
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I took it out and added [[kraum cacophany]]

grand hingeBOT
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No card found for “kraum cacophany”

misty geyser
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[[kraum|Otj]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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So a thought I had - since this deck is so naturally creature-light, would it make sense to run the Narsets?

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Enlightened Exile, Ancient Way, Transcendent, etc?

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Oh also, I took space beleren out of the list:

Space Beleren —> Shiko and Narset, Unified

Figured that they would do pretty good here - takes the monarch back, draws naturally and can even double up on targeted removal when necessary

misty geyser
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I have like 27 in the deck

hushed tapir
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I mean thats like 1/4 the cards in your deck

misty geyser
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And upon saying that I realize how creature focused I’ve been playing the last 5 years

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I was literally saying to myself that I needed more creatures in the deck 😂

hushed tapir
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Not sure if I’d call that “creature-light” enough to justify the narsets lol

misty geyser
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Well, I was comparing that to the # of noncreatures

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65-27= 38 noncreature spells

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Which is still a significant amount, to me anyway

hushed tapir
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26 v 38?

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Lol you best me to it again, I’m on mobile and had scrolled up to the decklist

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I mean 38 is more significant

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Slightly over 1/3rd of the deck?

misty geyser
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Well I’m not counting lands

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Those are always gonna be there

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Also I need to fill out the lands I just realized

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In terms of mdfcs i’m just using shatterskull and sea gate

hushed tapir
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Those help with the noncreature count

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What about [[sink into stupor]] and [[sundering eruption]]?

grand hingeBOT
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Instant
Return target spell or nonland permanent an opponent controls to its owner's hand.
The kami help travelers find profound relief, by freeing them from their mortal concerns.

Soporific Springs
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
manat: Add manau.
Desperate travelers journey from across Kamigawa, drawn by rumors of relief from all their troubles.

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Sorcery
Destroy target land. Its controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle. Creatures without flying can't block this turn.
"Idea: Climbing boots also balanced for running." —Expedition journal entry, very scorched

Volcanic Fissure
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
manat: Add manar.
Even the most seasoned adventurers think twice before testing their fortunes on the volcanic teeth of Akoum.

misty geyser
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Those are good too, I’m running out of basics tho

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I did get bonked when I failed to find with an urza’s saga yesterday

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I had drawn sol ring the turn urza’s saga got sacrificed

hushed tapir
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Rippp

misty geyser
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I might cut saga because it also causes some unintentionally really explosive turns

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Like I had a t5 nexus of fate

hushed tapir
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[[manifold key]] is also a good urza’s target plus untap/unblockable is nice

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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I’d probably do shadowspear ngl

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Love shadowspear

hushed tapir
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Also good

craggy owl
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Susan & 6th?

misty geyser
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Oh, yeah

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That’s really good

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3 mana too???

craggy owl
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Yep.

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Using edhrec’s listings for average card type distributions across decks, I’m estimating 3 different card types discarded between 4 players for Kefka’s etb/attack.

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Including the 8 mana activation cost but not the benefits of transformation (still estimating that) it places solidly.

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Currently sitting among new Gitrog, Void Winnower, Toxrill, and Koma.

frail flare
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It still has those keywords as a non-creature right?

tired wind
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it does

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basically the same way a vehicle has

misty geyser
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I’m not certain you’d even care to consider the 8 mana activation cost as a regular thing for the card

craggy owl
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Yeah, if & how to include the 8 mana activation & sacrifice + Kefka’s draw from the flipped side keeps weighing on my mind.

misty geyser
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I’m leaning towards no because 13 mana is way too much normally anyway.

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Plus you’ve got far better to do, not only with the 8 mana, but also with the discard + draw rather than maybe raw draw

frail flare
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[[kefka|fin]]

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever Kefka enters or attacks, each player discards a card. Then you draw a card for each card type among cards discarded this way.
mana8: Each opponent sacrifices a permanent of their choice. Transform Kefka. Activate only as a sorcery.
4/5

Kefka, Ruler of Ruin
Legendary Creature — Avatar Wizard
Flying
Whenever an opponent loses life during your turn, you draw that many cards.
The end draws near.
5/7

misty geyser
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Not to mention you can run flicker spells as protection for kefka

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That double as draw spells AND discard

frail flare
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It feels like you basically need to have training grounds, heartstone and the enigma jewel to really get a flip.

craggy owl
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For what its worth, I’m not flipping Kefka unless my opponents are hellbent. If they’re hellbent, the etb/attack trigger of the front side is meager rummaging.

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At which point 8 mana: each opponent sacrifices a permanent, then draw 5 cards (at minimum) after combat keeps a 1:1 ratio of card advantage per mana spent as the floor.

frail flare
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Yeah, that makes sense.

craggy owl
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Took me an embarrassing amount of time to realize “oh, the activation makes sense to use if opponents can’t feed the triggered ability”.

misty geyser
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Hmmm

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True

frail flare
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Which makes sense for Kefka from a narrative perspective

craggy owl
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So yeah, Kefka this set and Death Begets Life last set has me eating well.

misty geyser
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Here’s the silly little clown

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Let me know what y’all think

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@craggy owl so I didn’t look into your Rani list until I needed the last few cards, and I was very happy to see that you and I both had the better Bolas planeswalkers in the deck before I looked lol

craggy owl
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They’re hella efficient at grinding people down.

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7mv Bolas has probably tilted the game forever in your favor if he gets the +1 off twice.

misty geyser
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Exactly

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His + ability being a +4 card advantage is insane

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There’s a few questionable choices in my list, but I leaned into heart choices more than head choices for draft 1

tired wind
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I dont quite get the Millikin include

craggy owl
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Preliminary look: deck has a good creature beatdown package, and a comparatively sane mana curve coupled with enough instant speed interaction compared to the mana base to actually matter. Downside: myr mana dorks, and an unfortunate acronym formed by the first letter of each word in the title.

misty geyser
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And I have some gy shenanigans

misty geyser
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I did not notice that

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Maybe it was too cute of an idea but pitching an artifact creature to Kefka to draw 2 at minimum seemed really good

craggy owl
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Add another word starting with k or take one away.

misty geyser
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It is done

craggy owl
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Allegations successfully beaten

sharp garden
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lmao

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No sire or malfegor? 😦

misty geyser
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No, lol

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For one thing Kefka does need my opponents to have cards in hand

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So I can keep drawing

sharp garden
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True

craggy owl
misty geyser
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True

craggy owl
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Just depends on if you’re fine with Sire’s level of brutality.

frail flare
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OK, so, I'm curious to know what the definition of Midrange Hell is that you're working with

misty geyser
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Just the particular kind of deck pontiff makes, and I’ve made a few of

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Stuff like my jund/sultai lists and kefka/pontiff’s Rani

frail flare
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Those are basically just most of the decks I see though.

tired wind
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Thats why its called Midrange Hell, you cant escape it no matter how much you try, similarly how people who fail to climb ranked in video games call it Elo Hell

frail flare
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I'm just saying that I don't know that it's proving anything about whether or not casual can also have it. 😅

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I appreciate them though

tired wind
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casuals are even further into midrange hell then cEDH

frail flare
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Mainly because I'm really bad at building them

tired wind
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I cant tell you the last time i saw a controll or aggro list that wasnt exactly myself in my games

frail flare
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I know that feeling.

tired wind
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everyone always just plays midrange

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I really hope the list i made for my friend works out

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(tried to do a more aggro Rin&Seri list for him)

frail flare
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Kefka seems like he's sort of straddling between a control list and midrange hell

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Just because his discard effect is going to do a lot of controlling for you.

tired wind
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I think Kefka depends on where you set the focus

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if you focus on the discard it will be control

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if you focus on the draw it will be midrange

frail flare
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Fair, but the discussions I've seen in this thread have been about not flipping him.

tired wind
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yeah no way would i pay 8 mana for that transform

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unless i am doing like a peer into the abyss kill or whatever

frail flare
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@misty geyser @craggy owl do you have drafts up for him or still plotting through?

misty geyser
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Yeah, what Medea sent

misty geyser
# tired wind everyone always just plays midrange

I feel like my meta is pretty varied. there are a good amount of midrange piles, yeah, but I also see stuff like Anim Pakal, Kotis, and I personally made tempo, what I consider to be aggro, and also more midrange than most other piles I see.

tired wind
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Anim Pakal is sweat

misty geyser
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It’s disgustingly fast

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Like, I have to hold up removal for the second she starts getting out of hand

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Oh, also control decks. Lots of those floating around too

tired wind
misty geyser
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Arahbo is one i’ve always considered good aggro

tired wind
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This is probably the most "aggro" (i think using tempo like you did is better) deck in my group that isnt from me

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And I litterally build it last week for a friend (we will see it in action on sunday)

misty geyser
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Aggro is basically nonexistent in the classic sense, especially considering a 1/1 in 20 life formats would be equivalent to a 6/6 in commander

tired wind
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yeah

misty geyser
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That’s why I’m always proposing the idea that we reframe what aggro means for commander

tired wind
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Serra Ascendent truly is a real 1/1

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Yeah, when I talk about Aggro i am not so much talking about "Red deck wins" from 1v1 but more about being aggressive as early as possible to start threatening life totals

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Which is why i would classify some decks as Aggro that do take a bit to win

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like my Frodo/Sam deck

frail flare
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Thank you for the link on the list.

misty geyser
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But yeah, when I think midrange I think removal/draw/etc on mid sized bodies, and grinding to dust by gaining advantage and having higher average card quality than the table

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Specifically in lieu of some fancy theme

frail flare
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nod

craggy owl
frail flare
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I'm just doing a quick brainstorm to see how different my idea for it is.

craggy owl
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Ignore the face image being Rani

misty geyser
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Ngl pontiff and I’s decks are quite similar

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I think mine has more pet cards though

tired wind
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And an average CMC thats 1.68 lower

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Which is a lot

craggy owl
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Average cmc can go below 5?

tired wind
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I havent build a deck with one above 3 in over a year

craggy owl
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My decks are reviewed by slavic babushki who consistently ask if everyone is eating enough.

frail flare
frail flare
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I definitely skewed to basically mono-B

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@craggy owlI'm surprised you don't have the [[palantir of ortha]]

grand hingeBOT
craggy owl
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If Palantir was more than one card per cycle, I suspect it’d do much better in the Excel file’s scoring.

frail flare
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@misty geyser [[marang river regent]] is probably one I should have included but I skewed so heavily away to B I didn't think about it.

grand hingeBOT
craggy owl
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Right now even cards doing an average 2.5 per cycle at 5mv are below the cut.

misty geyser
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This was a pet card include for sure, but hey, 6 mana 6/7 flying beater with removal is deece

misty geyser
frail flare
misty geyser
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Both are good in their own respects

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I’m just saying at worst, it’s a 6 mana deece body

tired wind
misty geyser
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I have a weird affinity for specifically Grixis cards

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I am consistently happy with so many of the designs for grixis ID cards

frail flare
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Grixis and Abzan are colors I have problems finishing decks for

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Because my eyes get bigger than my stomach

misty geyser
craggy owl
# misty geyser How does the math change at different mv’s?

I’d have to check what the ratio is, but cards are scored on a mix of card advantage per card spent and card advantage per mana spent. 75%:25% might be the current weight? A card’s mana value plus or minus costs & reductions plays a key role in the card advantage per mana spent, but there’s nothing penalizing cards with the same ratio (ie 1 card per 2 mana) for having a greater total cost than another, which is something I should look into. Example: a 4mv spell drawing 2 cards per cycle scores the same as a 6mv spell drawing 3 cards per cycle when looking at card advantage per mana spent.

misty geyser
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I also wonder if cards that have bodies attached should be rated higher too.

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Because x draw spells would be probably the best rate according to that formula.

craggy owl
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I already have those filtered out (ie Blue Sun’s Zenith) thanks to the initial criteria for my casual cardpool.

tired wind
craggy owl
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There’s also the cards that average more than one card per mana spent, whereas X-cost draw spells are capped below a 1:1 ratio.

misty geyser
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I see

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Which makes permanent based draw/interaction quite useful

craggy owl
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Yep, up to a point. I keep a cell for the “average time a card stays in play” for a reason.

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Otherwise it’d be all engines giving value across turns and no burst card advantage such as Rishkar’s Expertise.

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For some of the 4+ color decks I’m dropping that cell to 1 because the life loss from shocks, fetches, rainbow lands, mdfc lands, and talismans means I need value sooner for stabilizing.

misty geyser
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I have made some changes to Kefka after some testing today

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Figured these were solid, few more board wipes and tried to lower the curve a little

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Added some on-board control to let my opponent’s stuff do the winning for me

frail flare
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Oculus too awkward?

misty geyser
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I didn't see it before it got replaced but after thinking about it it just isn't as impactful as another option could be a la Tevesh Szat

misty geyser
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Okay, I’m focusing in more on reanimation and less control, I’m kinda thinking I just jam all the good reanimation spells and start running better reanimate targets

tired wind
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Dont forget [[Dance of the Dead]], this card gets forgotten criminally often

grand hingeBOT
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When this Aura enters, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with this Aura." Put enchanted creature card onto the battlefield tapped under your control and attach this Aura to it. When this Aura leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and doesn't untap during its controller's untap step.
At the beginning of the upkeep of enchanted creature's controller, that player may pay mana1manab. If the player does, untap that creature.

frail flare
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[[$dance of the dead]]

grand hingeBOT
tired wind
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People just dont remember it exists

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I have seen highpower Lurrus lists that take 3 mana non-permanent reanimation over it

misty geyser
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So on my esper tempo deck

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I think [[conformer shuriken]] is kind of insane

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Even giving one of my creatures/commander +3/+3 would be insane

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[[eye of nidhogg]] is solid, both as control and as “removal”

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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So, what about the sidequest that was announced today

misty geyser
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Too much mana for just a 4/4 vehicle

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I wonder if [[lyse hext]] would work well

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Not evasive though

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So one thing I’m thinking about that’s a bit weird

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[[pupu ufo]] and [[walking atlas]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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i draw a lot of cards

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And an exploration would certainly be nice to shed the extra lands as ramp rather than gy fodder

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Yeah I think that’s it in terms of final fantasy

waxen galleon
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Pupu is a nice body upgrade over atlas

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I wouldn’t run both

misty geyser
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Thoughts on this new direction for kefka?

gleaming heart
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How about playing artifact creatures ramp to maximise kefka's effect?

frail flare
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Would it be too much social commentary to suggest including [[fear of missing out]]?

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Both of which were things i was doing in the previous version of the deck lol

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Might go back to using the artifact creatures for the extra draw. FOMO was kind of too slow, but I could give it another try

gleaming heart
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How about [[the aetherspark]]? 2 types and you got a bunch of good attackers, making it pretty realistic to get to 10+ loyalty off of 1 attack

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Artifact Planeswalker — Equipment
As long as The Aetherspark is attached to a creature, The Aetherspark can't be attacked and has "Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage during your turn, put that many loyalty counters on The Aetherspark."
+1: Attach The Aetherspark to up to one target creature you control. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
−5: Draw two cards.
−10: Add ten mana of any one color.
Loyalty: 4

gleaming heart
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And you certainly can use the mana given all the card draw

misty geyser
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True

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It is legendary too

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Any suggestions for a cut?

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I’m thinking gyruda

gleaming heart
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I was looking at gyruda too, it's a fun card but it looks very inconsistent

frail flare
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Gyruda is a card that's a lot better as a companion or a commander

misty geyser
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True. I wanted to lower the curve anyway too

misty geyser
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So this version of kefka is significantly more effective and fun

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However it’s too effective

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And people have asked me to stop playing it as much

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I frequently end games with opponents having no cards in hand and me just steamrolling with value

frail flare
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That sounds about how I'd expect for kefka sadly

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How early are games ending?

misty geyser
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I wasn’t really tracking but still kinda in 8-12

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More like 8-10

frail flare
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Ok

misty geyser
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But heavily depends on if I get good reanimation targets or a few key legends

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The issue people take is the discard mostly

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I wonder if I could just swap kefka with abaddon for now and see how it goes

frail flare
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Cascade vs draw?

misty geyser
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Yeah, that might work out better

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Kefka really just refills every time he triggers

frail flare
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Can you remind me on the goal for the kefka?

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Midrange, etc.

misty geyser
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It’s legendaries currently

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With some reanimation

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There’s no legendary matters commander really

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So goodstuff is the next best one

frail flare
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nod

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I've seen the black rose as one if it's not just a combo deck

lapis anvilBOT
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Long May She Reign! :crown:

lusty cloud
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Just noticed this threat named after the goat on this discord @misty geyser !
What is this thread used for ? 🙂

misty geyser
lusty cloud
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Ah okay nice 🙂
Is there somewhere a list or do I have to scroll to see if there are decks posted 🙂
Also does someone here play the ned mardu commander celes ? 👀

misty geyser
misty geyser
#

So one idea that is a different flavor of the same deck as I usually build is [[Bugenhagen]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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2mv dork in the cz go brrrrrrrr

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With card draw attached goes even harder

frail flare
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Why haven't I put bugenhagen in my list

misty geyser
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BUT at 7 mana you can consistently go from t2 Bugenhagen -> t3 explosive vegetation -> t4 7 mana 7/7

misty geyser
frail flare
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He's just, a human?

misty geyser
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Basically a better drumhunter

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Human Shaman

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But yeah

frail flare
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Dream hunter is at least on your end step, but yeah

misty geyser
#

[[ayumi last visitor]] is very funny

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
#

But overall I just think the whole “my curve starts at 4mv” is a very funny deck idea

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Oooh. [[Traxos]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Terrian

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Lots of fatties wow

misty geyser
sharp garden
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[[serrah ferron]] might be a good solution to your cost problem

grand hingeBOT
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No card found for “serrah ferron”

sharp garden
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[[serah farron]]

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Citizen
The first legendary creature spell you cast each turn costs mana2 less to cast.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you control two or more other legendary creatures, you may transform Serah Farron.
"Our own private heaven."
2/2

Crystallized Serah
Legendary Artifact
The first legendary creature spell you cast each turn costs mana2 less to cast.
Legendary creatures you control get +2/+2.
L'Cie who fulfill their Focus for their fal'Cie master are transformed into crystal and granted life eternal.

misty geyser
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I knew i was forgetting some obvious ones

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Damn

sharp garden
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wandering minstrel may or may not be useful for you too

misty geyser
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Venat isn’t in the list anymore otherwise I would 1:1 replace with Reki

misty geyser
sharp garden
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Ya

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My 5c is gates, so he was a sure include

frail flare
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So, I was just thinking about you and Jund lists. I'm wondering if you would be better off with a partner deck

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rather than for looking at one jund commander

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[[tana, the blood]]+something with b

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Closest I got was Reyhan//Tana voltron enchantress

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But I don’t like voltron and enchantress proved to be more difficult than I thought

frail flare
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Yeah

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I was just thinking about tana with overlap on other commanders I know you've liked

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Her making saprolings is relevant

misty geyser
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I wonder if jund lifegain could be fun/funny

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With Ikra Shidiqi

frail flare
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I've seen good things with it

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But I was thinking about stuff like [[slimefoot]]

grand hingeBOT
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Multiple cards match “slimefoot”, can you be more specific?

misty geyser
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Slimefoot and Squee, yeh

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Or just slimefoot the stowaway

frail flare
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Yeah

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Either/both

misty geyser
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I wonder if color cropping could yield an interesting result

frail flare
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[[nadier, agent]] was what I was thinking about for a partner suggestion

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Since Tana's tokens also put counters on him

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And just kind of like, elves but not "elves"

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Not a typal deck

misty geyser
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Idk. I looked at all the 4 and 5 color options too and nothing jumped out at me to make.

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I think I’m just gonna hope and pray something comes from the set

frail flare
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Mm

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Maybe the other Tannuk will be an interesting jund option

misty geyser
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True, true

frail flare
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Since they talked about the uncommon gruul one being a different phase of his life

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[[tannuk]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Becuase that's before he made a choice and was labeled a murderer by the Kav by attempting to prevent a larger disaster

misty geyser
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Problem being he’ll probably still care about lands

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And unless they do something really cool with that it’s unlikely it’ll be interesting

frail flare
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Either that or he'll care about not making choices

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Basically like Slicer

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Though he might also just end up like mono-green

frail flare
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I also want to be clear "they're too good" in response to the carcinization joke being all lead to tymna/gilanra is more that both of them just do stuff that are really good for creature decks

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Not that you shouldn't do it

misty geyser
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Oh 100%

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i get that

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What’s some good stompy cards in B and/or W?

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I’m trying to not just make this “Green with Orzhov splash” like it’s trending currently

frail flare
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[[Shadrix silverquill]] Breena

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Elder Dragon
Flying, double strike
At the beginning of combat on your turn, you may choose two. Each mode must target a different player.
• Target player creates a 2/1 white and black Inkling creature token with flying.
• Target player draws a card and loses 1 life.
• Target player puts a +1/+1 counter on each creature they control.
2/5

misty geyser
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Here’s what I’ve got rn

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It’s T&GM but I’m making it able to be any of the abzan legends/combination thereof

sharp garden
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Saddened not to see all the thalias smh

frail flare
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Green Ojer

misty geyser
sharp garden
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lol

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Can confirm, my friends hate thalia

frail flare
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[[Ojer kaslem]]

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — God
Trample
Whenever Ojer Kaslem deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. You may put a creature card and/or a land card from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
When Ojer Kaslem dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
6/5

Temple of Cultivation
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Kaslem, Deepest Growth.)
manat: Add manag.
mana2manag, manat: Transform this land. Activate only if you control ten or more permanents and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec sacred lands. Ojer Kaslem brought them to life.

misty geyser
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I like the Shadrix callout

frail flare
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[[Cauldron of souls]]

grand hingeBOT
sharp garden
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Final fantasy had some cool stuff

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[[ardyn]]

grand hingeBOT
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Multiple cards match “ardyn”, can you be more specific?

sharp garden
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[[jecht,reluctant]]

frail flare
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[[Ardyn|fin]]

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Menace
Whenever Jecht deals combat damage to a player, you may exile it, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control.
"Well, well, trying to follow in my footsteps, are you?"
4/3

Braska's Final Aeon
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Saga Nightmare
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I, II — Jecht Beam — Each opponent discards a card and you draw a card.
III — Ultimate Jecht Shot — Each opponent sacrifices two creatures of their choice.
Menace
7/7

sharp garden
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I haven't seen Jecht yet in my deck, so I've been de-jecht-ed

misty geyser
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Thoughts on [[Baldin century]]?

grand hingeBOT
sharp garden
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This is definitely my balding century

misty geyser
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Boo

sharp garden
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Are you really that much of a big butts deck?

frail flare
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I don't think baldin works here

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He's best when stuff can't be blocled

misty geyser
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He just makes them huge

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And survive really well in combat

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I got 13 slots and want more removal - thoughts? I prefer they be on big creatures but that’s not requires

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I did pick up a Platinum Emperion recently..

frail flare
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Attack->indestructible effect?

misty geyser
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Lmao, Odric is very funny with T&GM

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[[lunarch marshal]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Ooh. Yasharn is extra spicy with T&GM

dense wadi
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[[Dread Cacodemon]]?

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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or [[bringer of the last gift]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Because by the time I have 9+ mana I usually find either a more efficient wipe or people are dying

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But Cacodemon has always been like card 102

sharp garden
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I have Odric in my hatebears deck, (TGM in there soon) since so many hatebears just have random keywords attached lol

misty geyser
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My favorite is flying lifelink torpor orb

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Uh

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[[hushbringer]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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It’s also a white fairy which is weird

sharp garden
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Oh yeah that's cool

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I'd run it if I weren't legendary hatebears only

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Apparently there are only 8 mono W faeries lol

misty geyser
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That’s 7 more than I expected so

sharp garden
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Oh yeah, of course [[nurturing pixie]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Oh yeah, goofy ahh card

frail flare
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Fwiw, my husband's stompy abzan is Karador

misty geyser
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Alright I have 100 cards

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Whether they’re a good 100 is up to debate

sharp garden
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I rate it 1/3 Thalias

dense wadi
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1/3 Gitrogs

sharp garden
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For your Tannuk deck, did you consider [[geode rager]] umaru?

grand hingeBOT
hushed tapir
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So glad that it got reprinted in Baldurs Gate - love that set symbol a lot more than ZNC

misty geyser
frail flare
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Can you link the Tann list here?

frail flare
misty geyser
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Plays into if I run tymna/gilanra as the commanders. Kinda making it work with a few commander options

frail flare
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I need to check your white sources again then

misty geyser
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My fixing is fine, I’m fairly certain, but feel free!

frail flare
frail flare
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So on the Amber question

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[[criminal past]] could be fun

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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or [[feywild visitor]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Just as a way to make sure you have creatures that can be attacking other players or blocking after a flunge

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Criminal past works with your idea of a mass reanimation deck because you'll be high on the number of creatures in your deck overall

misty geyser
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That’s a cool idea

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Just rakdos little guys

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Little guy reanimation is a good option too

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Kind of a blood artist combo deck

frail flare
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It can be definitely

misty geyser
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Dump tons of little guys into your gy, [[raise the past]], board wipe

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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A billion blood artist pings

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Oh!!

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[[celes rune knight]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Hell yeah

frail flare
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[[loyal apprentice]] [[siegegang lieutenant]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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They count the background as well

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So if amber gets removed, as long as you have the background they still will trigger

misty geyser
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Ohhh that’s true lol

frail flare
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[[bloodsworn steward]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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[[anje's ravager]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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[[starscream]] is fun here

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye mana2manab (You may cast this card converted for mana2manab.)
Flying
Whenever you draw a card, if you're the monarch, target opponent loses 2 life.
Whenever one or more creatures deal combat damage to you, convert Starscream.
2/3

Starscream, Seeker Leader
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (During your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Flying, menace, haste
Whenever Starscream deals combat damage to a player, if there is no monarch, that player becomes the monarch.
Whenever you become the monarch, convert Starscream.
2/3

frail flare
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[[starving revenant]] [[gixian puppeteer]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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I think those are the weird tech cards for the idea that I can think of off the top of my head

misty geyser
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So I will admit my jund midrange deck got taken apart for other ventures (namely Teval when he got spoiled), but I think I’m ready to return to form with it

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I need to adjust it some because I got some kickback on the amount of discard it had without as many win cons, so I end up stripping hands and not winning

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I can tune that back a bit

hushed tapir
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Who was the commander?

misty geyser
grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Cat Avatar
Whenever Soul of Windgrace enters or attacks, you may put a land card from a graveyard onto the battlefield tapped under your control.
manag, Discard a land card: You gain 3 life.
mana1manar, Discard a land card: Draw a card.
mana2manab, Discard a land card: Soul of Windgrace gains indestructible until end of turn. Tap it.
5/4

misty geyser
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Okay I gotta go to bed but tomorrow I’m gonna take a look at what can be changed kbye

misty geyser
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I lied, had to get up for something so here we are for a sec

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Crucible effects I think are helpful, and could potentially allow me to run fewer lands overall

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And a crucible effect that puts counters on stuff is a-ok

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I considered cutting questing beast for the new 2 drop but figured QB is just too many words on a magic card

misty geyser
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I need three more to add, at 97 cards currently

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thinking of maybe [[goreclaw terror]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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16 creatures currently fit that bill

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And no, icetill explorer will not be going in

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Card does too much

hushed tapir
misty geyser
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Nah, it’s mostly anti fog with keyword soup

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I’m not talking word count, I’m talking effect

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It:

  1. ramps you
  2. Lets you play said fetchlands from the grave
  3. Mills you more lands as you play them
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All in one 4 drop? Fuck that

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Too much

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Nan screw it I haven’t played a Zendikar Resurgent in a fat minute

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Wonder what other land doublers I could do

hushed tapir
misty geyser
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Oh thanks

hushed tapir
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Personally big fan of the 3mv ones - [[heartbeat of spring]], [[mana flare]] and [[overabundance]]

grand hingeBOT
hushed tapir
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sure they double everyone's mana, but. chaos :)

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they're also ALL mana rather than just doubling like. forests. or something

misty geyser
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I don’t think a midrange deck is gonna wanna give opponents stuff

hushed tapir
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fair

misty geyser
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Ohhh shiiiit

hushed tapir
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[[nissa who shakes]] [[nirkana rev]]?

misty geyser
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[[regal behemoth]]

grand hingeBOT
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Legendary Planeswalker — Nissa
Whenever you tap a Forest for mana, add an additional manag.
+1: Put three +1/+1 counters on up to one target noncreature land you control. Untap it. It becomes a 0/0 Elemental creature with vigilance and haste that's still a land.
−8: You get an emblem with "Lands you control have indestructible." Search your library for any number of Forest cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Loyalty: 5

hushed tapir
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ooh monarch

misty geyser
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Yeahhhh monarch

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Monarch slaps

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Plus he’s a big idiot

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Love me some big idiots

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Alright, I put in some big idiots

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See how these guys go

misty geyser
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@sick locust you might like what I’ve got going on here, thoughts?

sick locust
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Oooooooo

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Here hang on, I’ll check in a bit

misty geyser
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I was convinced to do baloth instead of QB

sick locust
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I’m in my phone rn

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Oh well….