#Umaru’s Decklist Thread
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misty geyser
it’s basically [[garna bloodfist]] 2.0
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misty geyser
And you can shit out tokens waaaay faster in this deck
Idk why he only mobilizes 1 though
frail flare
Because it probably overwhelms too quickly
If he mobilized more than 1 then he either starts drawing more than one extra card per combat or draining the table by a lot.
Have you watched the LRR EDSC game posted yesterday?
If you haven't, there are some times where it's clearer why it's only 1 to try to be non-spoiler-y
misty geyser
Have you watched the LRR EDSC game posted yesterday?
I was working on it, about a third of the way into it
sharp garden
I watched it last night. Good game.
frail flare
I don't want to spoil it because it had a lot of momentum shifts.
frail flare
I realized something funny though, that's not a spoiler. I think the Jeskai are in like a triumverate situation.
So, Narset is the wayfinder, which is different than the khan.
And there's the one card that had flavor text with her thanking Taigam and Elsha.
Which is why the Jeskai deck must not be breaking the statement they did of the Dragon and the "Khan" both being present in the deck.
true star
And you can shit out tokens waaaay faster in this deck
What is this deck?
What is thy deck you made from this thread
misty geyser
What is this deck?
I haven’t made the zurgo deck yet - this thread is for all of my decks, you can find ‘em here:
frail flare
I'm actually really curious on your thoughts on the Zurgo after finishingthe episode.
sharp garden
My opinion: He seems very strong, since you're rewarded for always attacking. Worst case you deal damage. Best case you draw cards. Even better if you have some way to sac the tokens after combat damage and before combat ends.
misty geyser
There’s also a metric crapton of token generators that make temporary tokens
This was my old Garna list
I took it apart because it felt too slow
misty geyser
[[blade of selves]]
grand hingeBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has myriad. (Whenever it attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token copy that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control. Exile the tokens at end of combat.)
Equip 
misty geyser
It exiles
Oh SHIT
leaves the battlefield
Okay this is crazy
https://moxfield.com/decks/0zeOBZbKS0S2uw-YbRqZHg
alright gamers, here’s the precon
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misty geyser
Alright just finished the video
||James loves commander??? WEEEE||
Honest to God this precon is so stacked that i will have to make changes based on vibes
I have made a few changes already but even then I’m not sure if it’ll make it better
sharp garden
I'm not sure how I feel about the abzan precon from that video
misty geyser
I like it tbh, it’s a pretty honest stompy deck
sharp garden
I was hoping to grab one and leave as-is, and Abzan might be that one
Or I'll just wait for FF
misty geyser
I might do that for the mardu deck
sharp garden
A friend in my play group has an Isshin deck, and it might feel too similar, or I would be tempted to do the same tbh
misty geyser
I’m glad they didn’t try to shoehorn mobilize into the deck
sharp garden
Yeah, there are only a few cards with it
Temur looked like the least interesting to me. Too bad nobody played it to prove me otherwise
sharp garden
It's everything I hate about tribal tbh
Theme? Dragon. What do your dragons do? They dragon.
misty geyser
Dragon deez
sharp garden
I read Ender's Game a million times as a kid so I can only think "Your ass is Dragon"
frail flare
I just did an attempt at an update without touching the lands and it wasn't too bad
And no, I didn't add any combos in that I know of
It is a very good list though at base
misty geyser
It is a very good list though at base
I’ve got 17 cuts in my sideboard right now, curious to hear your thoughts. Also added a few in
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Creature — Goblin
Lieutenant — At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you control your commander, create two 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens. Those tokens gain haste until end of turn.
, Sacrifice a Goblin: This creature deals 1 damage to any target.
His crew proudly maintains an accident rate of 100% per day.
2/2
frail flare
But it does need zurgo out. So, hrm
frail flare
The elspeth's are fine?
misty geyser
I think the token doubler one is a given, the 6 mana one is iffy but can’t beat one sided wipe that produces three tokens sometimes too
Those are definitely the top of the curve. Like only casting that that turn kinda thing
frail flare
Yeah the doubler is
frail flare
Recommend [[jacked rabbit]] based on what I'm seeing
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misty geyser
Ooh. That’s a good idea too
frail flare
Yeah, the stormsinger is absurd with like [[rionya]]
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frail flare
[[Kambal, profiteering]] was another idea I had for this
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misty geyser
I think I’m gonna add some more removal, ramp, and token generation
And anything else I have might get put into impact tremors effects
Impact tremors will most certainly better than life drain stuff
Though the lifegain ones could be helpful
frail flare
[[Tempt with bunnies]]?
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
I’m not a fan of one off token generation, nor am I a fan of tempt cards, but that’s not a bad idea
frail flare
No, you're probably right
grand hingeBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a 2/1 red Elemental creature token with trample and haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
: Search your library for a card, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Activate only if five or more creatures died this turn.
1/3
misty geyser
here’s a fun one I’ve liked including
Don’t even care about the tutor as much as I care about the token
And they self sac for the drain
frail flare
[[Elas il-kor]]?
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misty geyser
Super cheap way to generate a token a turn, swing the goblin it makes at minimum
There’s also that enchantment that makes a menace pirate
Uh
[[daring piracy]]
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misty geyser
Also, [[howlsquad heavy]] is basically a better goblin rabblemaster
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Creature — Goblin Mercenary
Start your engines!
Other Goblins you control have haste.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token. That token attacks this combat if able.
Max speed — : Add 
for each Goblin you control.
2/3
misty geyser
Also eventually doubles as ramp
Especially since a lot of token gen in red+ is goblins
frail flare
Yeah
misty geyser
@frail flare thoughts on [[ajani nacatl]]?
misty geyser
I have a textured foil I’ve been wanting to use lol
misty geyser
[[zurgo|tdc]]
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
Ooh warrior typal is a neat idea
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misty geyser
So one thing I’ve noticed is that I’ve got a lot of 3 drop cards in the deck
I wanna cut that down ideally
true star
So whatcha building here this time? I’m always confused by the cards😂
misty geyser
Currently, the new Zurgo
true star
Currently, the new Zurgo
That new mardu commander in dragon storm
misty geyser
Yes
true star
Hmm I’ll see
true star
I’m also looking for cuts, ideally to lower the curve
Explain cuts?
misty geyser
Cards to remove from the deck
true star
Extra combats would be nice
true star
Cards to remove from the deck
Hear me out Krenko would be amazing in the deck
misty geyser
I proxy expensive cards
misty geyser
List of changes:
Etali, Primal Storm —> Bonny Pall, Clearcutter
Korvold, Fae-Cursed King —> Psychic Frog
Lord Windgrace —> Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait
Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes —> Insidious Roots
Muerra, Trash Tactician —> The Wise Mothman
Angrath, the Flame-Chained —> Wight of the Reliquary
Indoraptor, the Perfect Hybrid —> Torrent Elemental
Chainer, Nightmare Adept —> Muldrotha, the Gravetide
Call Forth the Tempest —> Cyclonic Rift
Ignoble Hierarch —> Deranged Assistant
Talisman of Indulgence —> Talisman of Dominance
Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire —> Talion, the Kindly Lord
Kroxa, Titan of Death’s Hunger —> Uro, Titan of Nature’s Wrath
Some were questionable changes
But I think I did alright
I also added one more ramp spell and one less removal spell than I meant
Also Life from the Loam is a lot less useful here
craggy owl
I have created a Sultai version of Jund Midrange
Was waiting for this ngl
I saw Teval spoiled and thought “oh hey I could do Windgrace but in Sultai”.
frail flare
It’s just
> Play Dragon
> Swing Dragon
> …dragon
So, I'm watching the Spike Feeder game and [[Ureni of the Unwritten]] is weird but maybe not in just a "ramp and play a dragon" way?
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frail flare
But it clearly wants cheating to happen.
misty geyser
I saw Teval spoiled and thought “oh hey I could do Windgrace but in Sultai”.
Lemme know what you think! Mine was a pretty 1:1 recreation
misty geyser
So, I'm watching the Spike Feeder game and [[Ureni of the Unwritten]] is weird b...
Yeah, I mean at least Eshki was being fair about it, this just feels like Zacama 2.0
misty geyser
My only complaint with the discard suite - why the HELL is [[archon of cruelty]] target opponent
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misty geyser
Makes me so sad
craggy owl
My only complaint with the discard suite - why the HELL is [[archon of cruelty]]...
If this was each opponent it'd be a staple in my commander decks. With only hitting one opponent at eight mana, people are surprised when it doesn't meet the floor.
misty geyser
If this was *each* opponent it'd be a staple in my commander decks. With only h...
I’ve also been disappointed by rottenmouth viper, i don’t find myself with nonland permanents that i want to sac
And the ETB is mid
craggy owl
The etb/attack trigger is more of a grind than instant devastation.
misty geyser
I mean, even the attack trigger just seems mid for a 6 drop.
craggy owl
I recently got my Excel file to update the values of some cards based on what cards are already in a deck, so I’ve been gauging Rottenmouth better for decks such as Marchesa/Tivit/Tevesh/11 & Hopper and not in other ones.
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Long May She Reign! :crown:
craggy owl
Huh, that didn’t use to work in threads.
misty geyser
That makes sense - even with a 2 cost reduction, I’d say viper goes back to being worth
Oh!!
It might be worth it in Teval!
craggy owl
But yeah, some decks Rottenmouth doesn't fit in because its outclassed by a bunch of other stuff.
frail flare
[[Rotten mouth viper]]
grand hingeBOT
Creature — Elemental Snake
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may sacrifice any number of nonland permanents. This spell costs 
less to cast for each permanent sacrificed this way.
Whenever this creature enters or attacks, put a blight counter on it. Then for each blight counter on it, each opponent loses 4 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent of their choice or discards a card.
6/6
craggy owl
Most of my Rottenmouth Vipers get one trigger and eat removal because no one wants to see the game state of 2+ counters on a Rottenmouth Viper.
true star
Or black Braids
You like braids?
hushed tapir
You like braids?
You don’t?
frail flare
I like both of them.
hushed tapir
Black or blue which one?
The DMU one is the new one - blue braids came out in like. When was TSP? 2006?
true star
Some Mf at my lgs played the nastiest most evil Tergrid deck with braids💔
true star
The DMU one is the new one - blue braids came out in like. When was TSP? 2006?
I like the blue one but I hate the black version of braids in DMU
hushed tapir
The DMU one isn’t even that bad ;-;
true star
With Tergrid she is a lil different:/
frail flare
You don't have to sacrifice to her though, unlike the original one.
But I don't think we should derail on this. I only brought her up because of the discussion of the snake
true star
You don't have to sacrifice to her though, unlike the original one.
I know but you still lose a bit of life and with Tergrid she’s taking your creatures so your already getting hit with a lot damage
misty geyser
Gamers I think I’m going to do a little moving outside my comfort zone today, magic-wise
https://moxfield.com/decks/_gBdK0VK0kqJaQErbTEJjg
i’ve made a couple changes to this deck today, but other than those couple I haven’t updated this deck since 10-17-2023
I’m hoping y’all can assist
Basically, the deck is a tchotchke deck that utilizes the 4th doc as card advantage and Dan Lewis as an additional way to win the game in the cz
I wanna make a ton of food, treasure, clues, junk, 3/2 vehicles, powerstones - whatever makes the most artifact tokens possible, I want it
Major, major bonus points if the card is historic
I’m also always looking to push the curve down so recommendations that way are good too
frail flare
[[gimbal]]
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
[[cyberdrive awakener]]
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frail flare
[[worldwalker helm]]
grand hingeBOT
Artifact
If you would create one or more artifact tokens, instead create those tokens plus an additional Map token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: Target creature you control explores. Activate only as a sorcery.")
, : Create a token that's a copy of target artifact token you control.
frail flare
[[schema thief]]
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
[[worldwalker helm]]
Ooh, worldwalker is good. I forgot about that one.
frail flare
There's also the thopter lord
misty geyser
Cyberdrive might be good as a finisher,
here’s the search I’m working from.
I’m trying to update it to new sets
frail flare
Mm
frail flare
I don't think you want to dip into energy but [[pia, nalar, chief]] might be worth it because it's on damage
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
[[Pia nalaar |drc]]
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frail flare
I think [[junk jet]] is a great card from that list
grand hingeBOT
Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, create a Junk token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn. Activate only as a sorcery.")
, Sacrifice another artifact: Double equipped creature's power until end of turn.
Equip
frail flare
Oh! [[Kiane|dsc]]?
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
[[kianne, corrupted]]
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frail flare
She doesn't make artifact tokens BUT she lets you cast historic spells on other turns.
So you get more 4th doctor triggers
misty geyser
Hmmmm
I like it, though I might just go with vedalken orrery if I was gonna do that.
Just to avoid also having to line up the +1/+1 counters right too
Seems like a pain
frail flare
Fair
hushed tapir
I like it, though I might just go with vedalken orrery if I was gonna do that.
What about [[high fae trickster]] or [[tidal barracuda]]? Unless you’re already on those
misty geyser
What about [[high fae trickster]] or [[tidal barracuda]]? Unless you’re already ...
Those are good too, but I’d want to keep it to historic cards
Since the 4th doc cares about those
hushed tapir
Those are good too, but I’d want to keep it to historic cards
Oh! Yes of course
craggy owl
@misty geyser depletion lands for Windgrace/Teval, yay or nay?
sharp garden
Not Umaru, but yay. I love depletion lands.
craggy owl
Dunno why I never thought of it until bantering with Colossus in another channel.
sharp garden
I've been running them in my graveyard lands deck and I love them
Especially if you're already running Spelunking
frail flare
I don't run depletion lands but mainly because I don't have any
I think they're probably worth it
I run [[gemstone mine]] in windgrace and it's not dissimilar.
grand hingeBOT
Land
This land enters with three mining counters on it.
, Remove a mining counter from this land: Add one mana of any color. If there are no mining counters on this land, sacrifice it.
misty geyser
<@180801337947193345> depletion lands for Windgrace/Teval, yay or nay?
Depletion lands?
Idk which those are
sharp garden
[[hickory woodlot]]
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Land
This land enters tapped with two depletion counters on it.
, Remove a depletion counter from this land: Add 
. If there are no depletion counters on this land, sacrifice it.
craggy owl
[[Peat Bog]], Hickory Woodlot, and friends
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Land
This land enters tapped with two depletion counters on it.
, Remove a depletion counter from this land: Add 
. If there are no depletion counters on this land, sacrifice it.
craggy owl
Saprazzan Skerry for blue, and I don't recall the red one
craggy owl
But they appear more niche and conditional, so less tryhard while also not being a gamechanger
And players are a bit more lenient with cards that synergize with a commander than ones that don't anyway.
frail flare
But they appear more niche and conditional, so less tryhard while also not being...
They still tend to be mainly seen in cEDH right? even though they're generally good.
craggy owl
Depletion lands? No.
Depletion lands are a hallmark of meme-y gimmick decks more than anything.
"Here's my Etali Worldfire deck, t1 storage counter land, t2 depletion land, and t5 cast Etali and flip Worldfire."
frail flare
I've only ever seen them in cedh lists somehow. But I may be weird.
misty geyser
I will have to find some. That’s a good idea
craggy owl
I've only ever seen them in cedh lists somehow. But I may be weird.
Belzenlok (peak glass cannon meme, albeit surefire enough for cEDH appearances) uses Peat Bog, and some old/offbeat Gitrog losts for Peat Bog and Hickory Woodlot. Though both are fringe, so I’m curious where else they’ve been tried.
dim heath
I've only ever seen them in cedh lists somehow. But I may be weird.
I've mostly seen them in janky proliferate decks.
frail flare
Belzenlok (peak glass cannon meme, albeit surefire enough for cEDH appearances) ...
[[Xolatoyac]] was one
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misty geyser
Gamers, I’m tired of saying I want to build an aragorn deck and not doing it
I’m thinking this is just gonna be “Jeskai pet cards”
frail flare
The monarch one?
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
Seeing as it’s midnight here I’m gonna go to bed and work on this in the morning
frail flare
Yeah, it's 1 am here and I need to be at work in under 7 hours
tired wind
Initiative also works well with him
craggy owl
I’m thinking this is just gonna be “Jeskai pet cards”
Alter for Barack Obama.
Farewell monarch, hello presidency
dense wadi
Think you’ll lean into monarch cards or the lack of blocking?
misty geyser
Think you’ll lean into monarch cards or the lack of blocking?
Lack of blocking definitely
Aggro is in my name after all
dense wadi
I had a feeling
Well, I feel I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention you’re in extra combat step upon hit territory thanks to red
misty geyser
Hmmmm
I do like Karlach a lot
And Moraug
I also am doing this decklist completely on vibes, and need to make 13 more cuts ;-;
And what’s worse is I haven’t even cracked my trade binder open to pull cards from that yet
dense wadi
I also am doing this decklist completely on vibes, and need to make 13 more cuts...
The natural progression of “cards I like” decks
frail flare
This sounds like my Far Fortune deck except jeskai
I think the problem with going all in on multiple cards with additional combats is that you probably can just focus it to one or two
Like, [[neheb, the eternal]] to feed into [[relentless assault]] or [[waves of aggression]]
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Minotaur Warrior
Afflict 3 (Whenever this creature becomes blocked, defending player loses 3 life.)
At the beginning of each of your postcombat main phases, add for each 1 life your opponents have lost this turn.
"This is what glory looks like." —Nicol Bolas
4/6
frail flare
sorry, [[aggravated assault]]
grand hingeBOT
Enchantment
: Untap all creatures you control. After this main phase, there is an additional combat phase followed by an additional main phase. Activate only as a sorcery.
frail flare
Moraug has the problem with jeskai of not easily getting additional land drops except as catch-up
And Karlach triggers once.
Also, double checking
[[karlach]] [[moraug]]
frail flare
OK, so you're still getting a main phase after the second combat phase when you can play the land for moraug's extra combat
frail flare
Yeah
misty geyser
Moraug has the problem with jeskai of not easily getting additional land drops e...
I would think that getting even just one extra combat every turn would be pretty effective
Not to mention I also run a suite of 4-6 classic fetches in my decks normally
tired wind
I did make a Aragorn anitiative list a while back: https://moxfield.com/decks/fADq_YdWfkuB7MDxIDmPMA
(ignore the weird manabase, I had to build it this way so that Initiative couldnt tutor for a basic)
misty geyser
Initiative is 100% getting added to it
I have a Seezy Deezy in there already, I just need a WPA
How has Bilbo been for you?
tired wind
dont forget [[Arakocra Sneak]]
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misty geyser
I think he’s secretly going to be insane
misty geyser
dont forget [[Arakocra Sneak]]
Not nearly as good as the other two
tired wind
Bilbo was one of the best early drops in my experience
tired wind
Not nearly as good as the other two
yes, but having flying still makes him very good at getting initiative and monarch back
I found Sneak to be very underrated by people
frail flare
Bilbo is amazing
frail flare
I have Bilbo in my River Song list because I use rogue synergies
tired wind
the 3 damage when it connects to everyone is also super underrated
[[Forth Eorlingas!]] is probably the most underrated card though, Canlander players know how insane this card is but i never see it mentioned anywhere else
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
I don't know that it counts as underrated when [[$forth eorlingas!]]
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tired wind
Yeah but its nearly all from Canlander as far as I can tell
Its rightfully pointed over there
This card is busted
frail flare
That's a question, is Wheeler's Jeskai aragorn deck listed
misty geyser
That's a question, is Wheeler's Jeskai aragorn deck listed
Love that, And the duel commander list rebell posted recently
frail flare
https://moxfield.com/decks/_RpdjEf_LUmp-f76oqstRw
Thanks! I just got to it
tired wind
Canlander is always a great source for ideas
misty geyser
It’s probably one of the best sources for “it just works” kinda cards
Call ‘em the Todd Howards
frail flare
So there are only 4 changes to be made for color ID or legality
That's it converted to an aragorn commander list
misty geyser
I think it needs better escalation cards though
frail flare
Yeah
tired wind
I really like it as a source for deceptivly/non-obviously value cards
frail flare
Also I missed library of alexandria, so 5 chagnes
misty geyser
Like, it’s got a lot of wheel spinning but no actual win for commander
misty geyser
Also I missed library of alexandria, so 5 chagnes
Nah, nah, we can keep it in
As a treat :3
tired wind
Yeah this is typical 1v1 aggro
you just hope it doesnt get to the point you need a wincon
cause the opponent should be dead
misty geyser
although, we can easily transfer cards 1:1 in and out
To keep the ratio the same while changing the scalability of the cards
frail flare
Oculus is a cool idea here though for extra blockers
tired wind
there is a lot of cards also that only make sense in 1v1
misty geyser
Then it could be a decent control deck
frail flare
Since it makes a creature on each opponents' upkeep
tired wind
Oculus is nice
misty geyser
there is a lot of cards also that only make sense in 1v1
Remove the cantrips, add efficient bodies that draw cards imo
Aragorn’s unblockability clause it not to be underestimated
tired wind
Yeah and some of the bodies need to change too, like i love the Wanderer, she is my girl, but Wandering Emperor is not the card it is in 1v1
Same with Dreadhorde Arcanist
and Brazen Borrower
misty geyser
Wandering emperor is solid
frail flare
I admit I'd probably end up taking it down the [[Rafiq of the Many]] exalted route
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
Wandering emperor is solid
But I’d probably replace it with Eternal Wanderer
frail flare
But that's not what you'd be looking for here
tired wind
She is alright, but Eternal Wanderer is essentiall yjust a giant upgrade
frail flare
Cards that seem good with aragorn, ones that give you a creature for the second you draw in a turn
misty geyser
Love emrakul’s messenger
I’d also recommend changing “your second card” to a more generic “when [a player/an opponent/you] draw [your] second card”
frail flare
That adds [[ian malcolm, chaotician]] and [[the council of four]]
frail flare
Opponent just adds [[faerie mastermind]]
grand hingeBOT
Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flash
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw a card.
: Each player draws a card.
Yuta Takahashi, World Champion XXVII
2/1
frail flare
Don't know if Ian is where you want to be
dense wadi
I like [[great train heist]] here I think
grand hingeBOT
Instant
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)
- — Untap all creatures you control. If it's your combat phase, there is an additional combat phase after this phase.
- — Creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain first strike until end of turn.
- — Choose target opponent. Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to that player this turn, create a tapped Treasure token.
dense wadi
All of its modes synergize well with an aggressive setup that often can’t be blocked
misty geyser
Hmmmmm true
frail flare
It at least has interesting timing
dense wadi
Even at two mana you might end up generating yourself a lot of treasure depending on your board and if you’re doing a Karlach bonus attack or something
I’d also like to mention [[jeska thrice]] as she makes Aragorn a two hit kill all on her own
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dense wadi
Those two hits can be on the same turn ofc
The only issue is Aragorn needs to come out at least once ahead of her
misty geyser
Keep in mind this deck will be pretty heavily curated to be “cards that make brain chemical go brrr”
I do like Jeska tho
Lemme get what I’ve got so far into a decklist
dense wadi
Keep in mind this deck will be pretty heavily curated to be “cards that make bra...
Oh ofc, when it’s a “cards wot I like” deck that’s gotta take precedence.
But since you brought it up here I figured it couldn’t hurt to toss in a suggestion or two
misty geyser
misty geyser
But since you brought it up here I figured it couldn’t hurt to toss in a suggest...
I appreciate it a lot though!!
I need 15 cuts 😭
frail flare
I understand he tickles your brain but people may murder you for the inclusion of space beleren based on the reaction when I've talked about wanting to play it
misty geyser
Jesus christ am I a bad person?
misty geyser
I understand he tickles your brain but people may murder you for the inclusion o...
I am so desperately trying to find any deck to play him in 😭
He just doesn’t fit quite right anywhere else
misty geyser
I haven’t had, like, terrible visceral reactions to him yet
But I’m going to leave him in just to see
frail flare
They're both good cards but just remember you can't do both sword of forge and frontier and reaver cleaver
Because pro red
Not a nonbo worth taking either out for
Just to remember
misty geyser
Eh, it’s enough to annoy me out of running both
frail flare
I think you might be able to lose a signet
misty geyser
I don’t like reaver cleaver nearly as much either
frail flare
I think if you keep one it's forge
because it means whatever's equipped doesn't take damage from blasphemous act
misty geyser
I think you might be able to lose a signet
That’s fair, i just went with the full suite on that one
I think flare of fortitude isn’t going to do as much as i hope it would here
frail flare
Only if you are saccing solitude to it
but otherwise I think you lose more high value creatures than you would want to
I think you should have [[honor worn shaku]] instead of one fo the signets
grand hingeBOT
Artifact
: Add 
.
Tap an untapped legendary permanent you control: Untap this artifact.
Before being presented to its lord, each shaku is blessed by every hero of every region within that lord's domain.
misty geyser
Talking planeswalkers to shaku was one of my favorite things to do in my superfriends deck
It was so gross
frail flare
I know it's not colored mana, but it does a lot to cast any of the high generic cost spells
misty geyser
I have no reasoning, just saying that it feels like one
Lol
I’m now coming to the downside of building this kind of deck: I wanna keep all of these cards in here 😭
110 card special, anyone?
frail flare
How is your brew going?
misty geyser
Well, ended up going to a jazz lounge last night so I haven’t had much chance to make more headway haha
I’m at 10, cuts left I think
misty geyser
Okay, I’m at 2 cuts left
I’m thinking the 4mv slot is kind of bloated
I’m thinking Mangara, but his draw is really good
hushed tapir
I’m thinking the 4mv slot is kind of bloated
4 and/or 6, yeah
misty geyser
I’m thinking one of the 4mv planeswalkers but I’m not sure which
misty geyser
@hushed tapir @frail flare thoughts on a couple cuts? Maybe Space Beleren won’t make it in after all..
frail flare
How many lands are you wanting?
Because you have space for 34 atm
With the monarch and initiative
frail flare
Ok
misty geyser
Big sigh, but i think Thalia needs to go
I’ve only got 27 creatures in the deck
It’s SO pretty
sharp garden
Yeah I love that Thalia art
misty geyser
Tbh I should get a full set of all Thalia Guardian of Thraben printings
SHE HAS A SERIALIZED CARD??
Oh no
I will obtain.. eventually
frail flare
I think the kraum may be a cut
misty geyser
Okay y’all, just got a few games with Aragorn in
Deck’s really fun! I think it could use with a few edits, particularly adding more card draw and removing a few pieces of removal. Space Beleren had his day in the sun! But has to be cut because that card is a nightmare to track
It pulled a rhystic study and added a ton of time to the game by making people make more decisions on basically every single action
hushed tapir
It pulled a rhystic study and added a ton of time to the game by making people m...
Oof. That is…not surprising tbh
tired wind
yeah thats the reason i never tried it in any of my decks
its cool and all, but such a nightmare to track
misty geyser
I took it out and added [[kraum cacophany]]
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
[[kraum|Otj]]
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misty geyser
So a thought I had - since this deck is so naturally creature-light, would it make sense to run the Narsets?
Enlightened Exile, Ancient Way, Transcendent, etc?
Oh also, I took space beleren out of the list:
Space Beleren —> Shiko and Narset, Unified
Figured that they would do pretty good here - takes the monarch back, draws naturally and can even double up on targeted removal when necessary
hushed tapir
So a thought I had - since this deck is so naturally creature-light, would it ma...
…your aragorn deck?
hushed tapir
I mean thats like 1/4 the cards in your deck
misty geyser
And upon saying that I realize how creature focused I’ve been playing the last 5 years
I was literally saying to myself that I needed more creatures in the deck 😂
hushed tapir
Not sure if I’d call that “creature-light” enough to justify the narsets lol
misty geyser
Well, I was comparing that to the # of noncreatures
65-27= 38 noncreature spells
Which is still a significant amount, to me anyway
hushed tapir
26 v 38?
Lol you best me to it again, I’m on mobile and had scrolled up to the decklist
I mean 38 is more significant
Slightly over 1/3rd of the deck?
misty geyser
Well I’m not counting lands
Those are always gonna be there
Also I need to fill out the lands I just realized
In terms of mdfcs i’m just using shatterskull and sea gate
hushed tapir
Those help with the noncreature count
What about [[sink into stupor]] and [[sundering eruption]]?
grand hingeBOT
Instant
Return target spell or nonland permanent an opponent controls to its owner's hand.
The kami help travelers find profound relief, by freeing them from their mortal concerns.
Soporific Springs
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
Desperate travelers journey from across Kamigawa, drawn by rumors of relief from all their troubles.
Sorcery
Destroy target land. Its controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle. Creatures without flying can't block this turn.
"Idea: Climbing boots also balanced for running." —Expedition journal entry, very scorched
Volcanic Fissure
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
Even the most seasoned adventurers think twice before testing their fortunes on the volcanic teeth of Akoum.
misty geyser
Those are good too, I’m running out of basics tho
I did get bonked when I failed to find with an urza’s saga yesterday
I had drawn sol ring the turn urza’s saga got sacrificed
hushed tapir
Rippp
misty geyser
I might cut saga because it also causes some unintentionally really explosive turns
Like I had a t5 nexus of fate
hushed tapir
[[manifold key]] is also a good urza’s target plus untap/unblockable is nice
grand hingeBOT
Artifact
, : Untap another target artifact.
, : Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
"Finally! It was worth the price to never have to fiddle with lockpicks ever again." —Davvry Mineshadow, thief
hushed tapir
Also good
craggy owl
Susan & 6th?
craggy owl
Yep.
Using edhrec’s listings for average card type distributions across decks, I’m estimating 3 different card types discarded between 4 players for Kefka’s etb/attack.
Including the 8 mana activation cost but not the benefits of transformation (still estimating that) it places solidly.
Currently sitting among new Gitrog, Void Winnower, Toxrill, and Koma.
frail flare
It still has those keywords as a non-creature right?
misty geyser
Currently sitting among new Gitrog, Void Winnower, Toxrill, and Koma.
That’s huge
I’m not certain you’d even care to consider the 8 mana activation cost as a regular thing for the card
craggy owl
Yeah, if & how to include the 8 mana activation & sacrifice + Kefka’s draw from the flipped side keeps weighing on my mind.
misty geyser
I’m leaning towards no because 13 mana is way too much normally anyway.
Plus you’ve got far better to do, not only with the 8 mana, but also with the discard + draw rather than maybe raw draw
frail flare
[[kefka|fin]]
grand hingeBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever Kefka enters or attacks, each player discards a card. Then you draw a card for each card type among cards discarded this way.
: Each opponent sacrifices a permanent of their choice. Transform Kefka. Activate only as a sorcery.
4/5
Kefka, Ruler of Ruin
Legendary Creature — Avatar Wizard
Flying
Whenever an opponent loses life during your turn, you draw that many cards.
The end draws near.
5/7
misty geyser
Not to mention you can run flicker spells as protection for kefka
That double as draw spells AND discard
frail flare
It feels like you basically need to have training grounds, heartstone and the enigma jewel to really get a flip.
craggy owl
For what its worth, I’m not flipping Kefka unless my opponents are hellbent. If they’re hellbent, the etb/attack trigger of the front side is meager rummaging.
At which point 8 mana: each opponent sacrifices a permanent, then draw 5 cards (at minimum) after combat keeps a 1:1 ratio of card advantage per mana spent as the floor.
frail flare
Yeah, that makes sense.
craggy owl
Took me an embarrassing amount of time to realize “oh, the activation makes sense to use if opponents can’t feed the triggered ability”.
frail flare
Which makes sense for Kefka from a narrative perspective
craggy owl
So yeah, Kefka this set and Death Begets Life last set has me eating well.
misty geyser
Here’s the silly little clown
Let me know what y’all think
@craggy owl so I didn’t look into your Rani list until I needed the last few cards, and I was very happy to see that you and I both had the better Bolas planeswalkers in the deck before I looked lol
craggy owl
They’re hella efficient at grinding people down.
7mv Bolas has probably tilted the game forever in your favor if he gets the +1 off twice.
misty geyser
Exactly
His + ability being a +4 card advantage is insane
There’s a few questionable choices in my list, but I leaned into heart choices more than head choices for draft 1
tired wind
I dont quite get the Millikin include
craggy owl
Preliminary look: deck has a good creature beatdown package, and a comparatively sane mana curve coupled with enough instant speed interaction compared to the mana base to actually matter. Downside: myr mana dorks, and an unfortunate acronym formed by the first letter of each word in the title.
misty geyser
I dont quite get the Millikin include
Just wanted more artifact creature dorks
And I have some gy shenanigans
misty geyser
Preliminary look: deck has a good creature beatdown package, and a comparatively...
😅😅😅
I did not notice that
Maybe it was too cute of an idea but pitching an artifact creature to Kefka to draw 2 at minimum seemed really good
craggy owl
Add another word starting with k or take one away.
misty geyser
It is done
craggy owl
Allegations successfully beaten
misty geyser
No, lol
For one thing Kefka does need my opponents to have cards in hand
So I can keep drawing
sharp garden
True
craggy owl
For one thing Kefka does need my opponents to have cards in hand
Sire of Insanity -> pay 8 mana -> draw 5-10 cards on your turn while opponents are hellbent
misty geyser
True
craggy owl
Just depends on if you’re fine with Sire’s level of brutality.
frail flare
OK, so, I'm curious to know what the definition of Midrange Hell is that you're working with
misty geyser
Just the particular kind of deck pontiff makes, and I’ve made a few of
Stuff like my jund/sultai lists and kefka/pontiff’s Rani
frail flare
Those are basically just most of the decks I see though.
tired wind
Thats why its called Midrange Hell, you cant escape it no matter how much you try, similarly how people who fail to climb ranked in video games call it Elo Hell
frail flare
I'm just saying that I don't know that it's proving anything about whether or not casual can also have it. 😅
I appreciate them though
tired wind
casuals are even further into midrange hell then cEDH
frail flare
Mainly because I'm really bad at building them
tired wind
I cant tell you the last time i saw a controll or aggro list that wasnt exactly myself in my games
frail flare
I know that feeling.
tired wind
everyone always just plays midrange
I really hope the list i made for my friend works out
(tried to do a more aggro Rin&Seri list for him)
frail flare
Kefka seems like he's sort of straddling between a control list and midrange hell
Just because his discard effect is going to do a lot of controlling for you.
tired wind
I think Kefka depends on where you set the focus
if you focus on the discard it will be control
if you focus on the draw it will be midrange
frail flare
Fair, but the discussions I've seen in this thread have been about not flipping him.
tired wind
yeah no way would i pay 8 mana for that transform
unless i am doing like a peer into the abyss kill or whatever
frail flare
@misty geyser @craggy owl do you have drafts up for him or still plotting through?
misty geyser
Yeah, what Medea sent
misty geyser
everyone always just plays midrange
I feel like my meta is pretty varied. there are a good amount of midrange piles, yeah, but I also see stuff like Anim Pakal, Kotis, and I personally made tempo, what I consider to be aggro, and also more midrange than most other piles I see.
tired wind
Anim Pakal is sweat
misty geyser
It’s disgustingly fast
Like, I have to hold up removal for the second she starts getting out of hand
Oh, also control decks. Lots of those floating around too
misty geyser
Arahbo is one i’ve always considered good aggro
tired wind
This is probably the most "aggro" (i think using tempo like you did is better) deck in my group that isnt from me
And I litterally build it last week for a friend (we will see it in action on sunday)
misty geyser
Aggro is basically nonexistent in the classic sense, especially considering a 1/1 in 20 life formats would be equivalent to a 6/6 in commander
tired wind
yeah
misty geyser
That’s why I’m always proposing the idea that we reframe what aggro means for commander
tired wind
Serra Ascendent truly is a real 1/1
Yeah, when I talk about Aggro i am not so much talking about "Red deck wins" from 1v1 but more about being aggressive as early as possible to start threatening life totals
Which is why i would classify some decks as Aggro that do take a bit to win
like my Frodo/Sam deck
frail flare
Thank you for the link on the list.
misty geyser
But yeah, when I think midrange I think removal/draw/etc on mid sized bodies, and grinding to dust by gaining advantage and having higher average card quality than the table
Specifically in lieu of some fancy theme
frail flare
nod
craggy owl
<@180801337947193345> <@456226577798135808> do you have drafts up for him or sti...
In 60 seconds of my reading this message, your wish will be granted.
frail flare
I'm just doing a quick brainstorm to see how different my idea for it is.
craggy owl
Average cmc can go below 5?
tired wind
I havent build a deck with one above 3 in over a year
craggy owl
My decks are reviewed by slavic babushki who consistently ask if everyone is eating enough.
frail flare
So, this is what my brain came up with: https://moxfield.com/decks/orZdT1DI10inCcP8vS3NyQ
frail flare
I definitely skewed to basically mono-B
@craggy owlI'm surprised you don't have the [[palantir of ortha]]
grand hingeBOT
craggy owl
If Palantir was more than one card per cycle, I suspect it’d do much better in the Excel file’s scoring.
frail flare
@misty geyser [[marang river regent]] is probably one I should have included but I skewed so heavily away to B I didn't think about it.
grand hingeBOT
Creature — Dragon
Flying
When this creature enters, return up to two other target nonland permanents to their owners' hands.
6/7
Coil and Catch
Instant — Omen
Draw three cards, then discard a card. (Then shuffle this card into its owner's library.)
craggy owl
Right now even cards doing an average 2.5 per cycle at 5mv are below the cut.
misty geyser
This was a pet card include for sure, but hey, 6 mana 6/7 flying beater with removal is deece
misty geyser
Right now even cards doing an average 2.5 per cycle at 5mv are below the cut.
How does the math change at different mv’s?
frail flare
This was a pet card include for sure, but hey, 6 mana 6/7 flying beater with rem...
Really? I'd have considered it for the spell part first over the attacker
misty geyser
Both are good in their own respects
I’m just saying at worst, it’s a 6 mana deece body
tired wind
I definitely skewed to basically mono-B
Good, let the Black Mana flow through you, let it fuel you
misty geyser
I have a weird affinity for specifically Grixis cards
I am consistently happy with so many of the designs for grixis ID cards
frail flare
Good, let the Black Mana flow through you, let it fuel you
I've played B for a long long time.
Grixis and Abzan are colors I have problems finishing decks for
Because my eyes get bigger than my stomach
misty geyser
https://scryfall.com/search?q=id%3Dgrixis
like there’s not a single card here I haven’t either considered playing or just generally like the design of
craggy owl
How does the math change at different mv’s?
I’d have to check what the ratio is, but cards are scored on a mix of card advantage per card spent and card advantage per mana spent. 75%:25% might be the current weight? A card’s mana value plus or minus costs & reductions plays a key role in the card advantage per mana spent, but there’s nothing penalizing cards with the same ratio (ie 1 card per 2 mana) for having a greater total cost than another, which is something I should look into. Example: a 4mv spell drawing 2 cards per cycle scores the same as a 6mv spell drawing 3 cards per cycle when looking at card advantage per mana spent.
misty geyser
I also wonder if cards that have bodies attached should be rated higher too.
Because x draw spells would be probably the best rate according to that formula.
craggy owl
I already have those filtered out (ie Blue Sun’s Zenith) thanks to the initial criteria for my casual cardpool.
tired wind
I've played B for a long long time.
Ik, but every step closer into B is a step towards the right direction
craggy owl
I already have those filtered out (ie Blue Sun’s Zenith) thanks to the initial c...
Do at least 2 of 4:
- Hand/stack interaction
- Battlefield interaction
- Draw/recursion
- Source of life loss
There’s also the cards that average more than one card per mana spent, whereas X-cost draw spells are capped below a 1:1 ratio.
craggy owl
Yep, up to a point. I keep a cell for the “average time a card stays in play” for a reason.
Otherwise it’d be all engines giving value across turns and no burst card advantage such as Rishkar’s Expertise.
For some of the 4+ color decks I’m dropping that cell to 1 because the life loss from shocks, fetches, rainbow lands, mdfc lands, and talismans means I need value sooner for stabilizing.
misty geyser
I have made some changes to Kefka after some testing today
Figured these were solid, few more board wipes and tried to lower the curve a little
Added some on-board control to let my opponent’s stuff do the winning for me
frail flare
Oculus too awkward?
misty geyser
I didn't see it before it got replaced but after thinking about it it just isn't as impactful as another option could be a la Tevesh Szat
misty geyser
Okay, I’m focusing in more on reanimation and less control, I’m kinda thinking I just jam all the good reanimation spells and start running better reanimate targets
tired wind
Dont forget [[Dance of the Dead]], this card gets forgotten criminally often
grand hingeBOT
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When this Aura enters, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with this Aura." Put enchanted creature card onto the battlefield tapped under your control and attach this Aura to it. When this Aura leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and doesn't untap during its controller's untap step.
At the beginning of the upkeep of enchanted creature's controller, that player may pay . If the player does, untap that creature.
frail flare
Dont forget [[Dance of the Dead]], this card gets forgotten criminally often
The price and it only having one printing
[[$dance of the dead]]
grand hingeBOT
tired wind
People just dont remember it exists
I have seen highpower Lurrus lists that take 3 mana non-permanent reanimation over it
grand hingeBOT
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has "Whenever this creature attacks, tap target creature defending player controls. If that creature has greater power than this creature, put a number of +1/+1 counters on this creature equal to the difference."
Equip
misty geyser
Even giving one of my creatures/commander +3/+3 would be insane
[[eye of nidhogg]] is solid, both as control and as “removal”
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
So, what about the sidequest that was announced today
grand hingeBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Rebel Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Noncreature spells you cast cost less to cast.
As long as you've cast two or more noncreature spells this turn, Lyse Hext has double strike.
2/2
misty geyser
Not evasive though
So one thing I’m thinking about that’s a bit weird
[[pupu ufo]] and [[walking atlas]]
grand hingeBOT
Artifact Creature — Construct Alien
Flying
: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
: Until end of turn, this creature's base power becomes equal to the number of Towns you control.
"Thank you!"
0/4
Artifact Creature — Construct
: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Crafted by lullmages and bound to the land, it alters itself to match the tumultuous terrain.
1/1
misty geyser
i draw a lot of cards
And an exploration would certainly be nice to shed the extra lands as ramp rather than gy fodder
Yeah I think that’s it in terms of final fantasy
waxen galleon
gleaming heart
How about playing artifact creatures ramp to maximise kefka's effect?
frail flare
Would it be too much social commentary to suggest including [[fear of missing out]]?
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misty geyser
Both of which were things i was doing in the previous version of the deck lol
Might go back to using the artifact creatures for the extra draw. FOMO was kind of too slow, but I could give it another try
gleaming heart
How about [[the aetherspark]]? 2 types and you got a bunch of good attackers, making it pretty realistic to get to 10+ loyalty off of 1 attack
grand hingeBOT
gleaming heart
And you certainly can use the mana given all the card draw
gleaming heart
I was looking at gyruda too, it's a fun card but it looks very inconsistent
frail flare
Gyruda is a card that's a lot better as a companion or a commander
misty geyser
True. I wanted to lower the curve anyway too
misty geyser
So this version of kefka is significantly more effective and fun
However it’s too effective
And people have asked me to stop playing it as much
I frequently end games with opponents having no cards in hand and me just steamrolling with value
frail flare
Ok
misty geyser
But heavily depends on if I get good reanimation targets or a few key legends
The issue people take is the discard mostly
I wonder if I could just swap kefka with abaddon for now and see how it goes
frail flare
Cascade vs draw?
misty geyser
It’s legendaries currently
With some reanimation
There’s no legendary matters commander really
So goodstuff is the next best one
lapis anvilBOT
Long May She Reign! :crown:
lusty cloud
Just noticed this threat named after the goat on this discord @misty geyser !
What is this thread used for ? 🙂
misty geyser
Just noticed this threat named after the goat on this discord <@1808013379471933...
Just all my decks and deck ideas
lusty cloud
Ah okay nice 🙂
Is there somewhere a list or do I have to scroll to see if there are decks posted 🙂
Also does someone here play the ned mardu commander celes ? 👀
misty geyser
Ah okay nice 🙂
Is there somewhere a list or do I have to scroll to see if there...
One sec lemme post them, sorry I haven’t checked in in a while on here lol
misty geyser
https://moxfield.com/users/Umaru
So one idea that is a different flavor of the same deck as I usually build is [[Bugenhagen]]
grand hingeBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Reach
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control a creature with power 7 or greater, draw a card.
: Add one mana of any color.
"I've been thinking if there was anything we could do to help a planet already in misery..."
1/3
misty geyser
2mv dork in the cz go brrrrrrrr
With card draw attached goes even harder
https://scryfall.com/search?q=power>%3D7+id%3Ag
not off to a great start lmao
frail flare
Why haven't I put bugenhagen in my list
misty geyser
BUT at 7 mana you can consistently go from t2 Bugenhagen -> t3 explosive vegetation -> t4 7 mana 7/7
misty geyser
Why haven't I put bugenhagen in my list
He is REAL good
frail flare
He's just, a human?
frail flare
Dream hunter is at least on your end step, but yeah
misty geyser
[[ayumi last visitor]] is very funny
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
But overall I just think the whole “my curve starts at 4mv” is a very funny deck idea
Oooh. [[Traxos]]
grand hingeBOT
lusty cloud
One sec lemme post them, sorry I haven’t checked in in a while on here lol
Thank you ❤️
misty geyser
sharp garden
[[serrah ferron]] might be a good solution to your cost problem
grand hingeBOT
sharp garden
[[serah farron]]
grand hingeBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Citizen
The first legendary creature spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you control two or more other legendary creatures, you may transform Serah Farron.
"Our own private heaven."
2/2
Crystallized Serah
Legendary Artifact
The first legendary creature spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
Legendary creatures you control get +2/+2.
L'Cie who fulfill their Focus for their fal'Cie master are transformed into crystal and granted life eternal.
sharp garden
wandering minstrel may or may not be useful for you too
misty geyser
Venat isn’t in the list anymore otherwise I would 1:1 replace with Reki
misty geyser
wandering minstrel may or may not be useful for you too
Eh. 99% of the stuff in this deck enters untapped skyway
frail flare
So, I was just thinking about you and Jund lists. I'm wondering if you would be better off with a partner deck
rather than for looking at one jund commander
[[tana, the blood]]+something with b
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
So, I was just thinking about you and Jund lists. I'm wondering if you would be ...
I’ve tried ;-;
Closest I got was Reyhan//Tana voltron enchantress
But I don’t like voltron and enchantress proved to be more difficult than I thought
frail flare
Yeah
I was just thinking about tana with overlap on other commanders I know you've liked
Her making saprolings is relevant
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
I wonder if color cropping could yield an interesting result
frail flare
[[nadier, agent]] was what I was thinking about for a partner suggestion
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
Since Tana's tokens also put counters on him
And just kind of like, elves but not "elves"
Not a typal deck
misty geyser
Idk. I looked at all the 4 and 5 color options too and nothing jumped out at me to make.
I think I’m just gonna hope and pray something comes from the set
misty geyser
True, true
frail flare
Since they talked about the uncommon gruul one being a different phase of his life
[[tannuk]]
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
Becuase that's before he made a choice and was labeled a murderer by the Kav by attempting to prevent a larger disaster
misty geyser
Problem being he’ll probably still care about lands
And unless they do something really cool with that it’s unlikely it’ll be interesting
frail flare
Either that or he'll care about not making choices
Basically like Slicer
Though he might also just end up like mono-green
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I also want to be clear "they're too good" in response to the carcinization joke being all lead to tymna/gilanra is more that both of them just do stuff that are really good for creature decks
Not that you shouldn't do it
misty geyser
Oh 100%
i get that
What’s some good stompy cards in B and/or W?
I’m trying to not just make this “Green with Orzhov splash” like it’s trending currently
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[[Shadrix silverquill]] Breena
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misty geyser
Here’s what I’ve got rn
It’s T&GM but I’m making it able to be any of the abzan legends/combination thereof
sharp garden
Saddened not to see all the thalias smh
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Green Ojer
misty geyser
Saddened not to see all the thalias smh
I think the one is enough triggering my friends for one deck lol
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[[Ojer kaslem]]
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Legendary Creature — God
Trample
Whenever Ojer Kaslem deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. You may put a creature card and/or a land card from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
When Ojer Kaslem dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
6/5
Temple of Cultivation
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Kaslem, Deepest Growth.)
: Add .
, : Transform this land. Activate only if you control ten or more permanents and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec sacred lands. Ojer Kaslem brought them to life.
misty geyser
I like the Shadrix callout
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[[Cauldron of souls]]
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Artifact
: Choose any number of target creatures. Each of those creatures gains persist until end of turn. (When it dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
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sharp garden
[[jecht,reluctant]]
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[[Ardyn|fin]]
sharp garden
I haven't seen Jecht yet in my deck, so I've been de-jecht-ed
misty geyser
Thoughts on [[Baldin century]]?
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sharp garden
This is definitely my balding century
misty geyser
Boo
sharp garden
Are you really that much of a big butts deck?
misty geyser
He just makes them huge
And survive really well in combat
I got 13 slots and want more removal - thoughts? I prefer they be on big creatures but that’s not requires
I did pick up a Platinum Emperion recently..
frail flare
Attack->indestructible effect?
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misty geyser
Ooh. Yasharn is extra spicy with T&GM
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[[Dread Cacodemon]]?
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or [[bringer of the last gift]]
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misty geyser
[[Dread Cacodemon]]?
In all my attempts at running this guy, it never feels like I can either get to his mana cost or need to cast it once I had him
Because by the time I have 9+ mana I usually find either a more efficient wipe or people are dying
But Cacodemon has always been like card 102
sharp garden
I have Odric in my hatebears deck, (TGM in there soon) since so many hatebears just have random keywords attached lol
misty geyser
I have Odric in my hatebears deck, (TGM in there soon) since so many hatebears j...
It’s great
My favorite is flying lifelink torpor orb
Uh
[[hushbringer]]
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misty geyser
It’s also a white fairy which is weird
sharp garden
Oh yeah that's cool
I'd run it if I weren't legendary hatebears only
Apparently there are only 8 mono W faeries lol
misty geyser
That’s 7 more than I expected so
sharp garden
Oh yeah, of course [[nurturing pixie]]
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misty geyser
Oh yeah, goofy ahh card
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Fwiw, my husband's stompy abzan is Karador
Linking because there may be some relevant cards https://moxfield.com/decks/9kAZTC161U-TyvkD97-mvQ
sharp garden
I rate it 1/3 Thalias
dense wadi
1/3 Gitrogs
sharp garden
For your Tannuk deck, did you consider [[geode rager]] umaru?
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hushed tapir
So glad that it got reprinted in Baldurs Gate - love that set symbol a lot more than ZNC
misty geyser
For your Tannuk deck, did you consider [[geode rager]] umaru?
I did, I was unsure what I’d cut off the top of my head
frail flare
Can you link the Tann list here?
frail flare
https://moxfield.com/decks/ES9VeVNmpk-j4wB0gUOKAg
Avacyn's Pilgrim is a thematic choice right?
misty geyser
Avacyn's Pilgrim is a thematic choice right?
No? It’s just good fixing/ramp
Plays into if I run tymna/gilanra as the commanders. Kinda making it work with a few commander options
frail flare
I need to check your white sources again then
misty geyser
My fixing is fine, I’m fairly certain, but feel free!
frail flare
My fixing is fine, I’m fairly certain, but feel free!
I just was thinking halfling (because you proxy). But I also just finished having a conversation about how I'm mixing up homophones all day today. So I may just be out of it
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or [[feywild visitor]]
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frail flare
Just as a way to make sure you have creatures that can be attacking other players or blocking after a flunge
Criminal past works with your idea of a mass reanimation deck because you'll be high on the number of creatures in your deck overall
misty geyser
That’s a cool idea
Just rakdos little guys
Little guy reanimation is a good option too
Kind of a blood artist combo deck
frail flare
It can be definitely
misty geyser
Dump tons of little guys into your gy, [[raise the past]], board wipe
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misty geyser
Hell yeah
frail flare
[[loyal apprentice]] [[siegegang lieutenant]]
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Creature — Goblin
Lieutenant — At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you control your commander, create two 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens. Those tokens gain haste until end of turn.
, Sacrifice a Goblin: This creature deals 1 damage to any target.
His crew proudly maintains an accident rate of 100% per day.
2/2
frail flare
They count the background as well
So if amber gets removed, as long as you have the background they still will trigger
misty geyser
Ohhh that’s true lol
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[[bloodsworn steward]]
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[[anje's ravager]]
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Creature — Vampire Berserker
This creature attacks each combat if able.
Whenever this creature attacks, discard your hand, then draw three cards.
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
3/3
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[[starscream]] is fun here
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
Flying
Whenever you draw a card, if you're the monarch, target opponent loses 2 life.
Whenever one or more creatures deal combat damage to you, convert Starscream.
2/3
Starscream, Seeker Leader
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (During your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Flying, menace, haste
Whenever Starscream deals combat damage to a player, if there is no monarch, that player becomes the monarch.
Whenever you become the monarch, convert Starscream.
2/3
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[[starving revenant]] [[gixian puppeteer]]
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I think those are the weird tech cards for the idea that I can think of off the top of my head
misty geyser
So I will admit my jund midrange deck got taken apart for other ventures (namely Teval when he got spoiled), but I think I’m ready to return to form with it
I need to adjust it some because I got some kickback on the amount of discard it had without as many win cons, so I end up stripping hands and not winning
I can tune that back a bit
hushed tapir
Who was the commander?
misty geyser
Who was the commander?
[[soul of windgrace]]
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Legendary Creature — Cat Avatar
Whenever Soul of Windgrace enters or attacks, you may put a land card from a graveyard onto the battlefield tapped under your control.
, Discard a land card: You gain 3 life.
, Discard a land card: Draw a card.
, Discard a land card: Soul of Windgrace gains indestructible until end of turn. Tap it.
5/4
misty geyser
Okay I gotta go to bed but tomorrow I’m gonna take a look at what can be changed kbye
misty geyser
I lied, had to get up for something so here we are for a sec
Crucible effects I think are helpful, and could potentially allow me to run fewer lands overall
And a crucible effect that puts counters on stuff is a-ok
I considered cutting questing beast for the new 2 drop but figured QB is just too many words on a magic card
hushed tapir
I lied, had to get up for something so here we are for a sec
Smh my head
misty geyser
Smh my head
Look I’m popping 50mg of benadryl so I will be passing out whether my body wants to or not
I need three more to add, at 97 cards currently
thinking of maybe [[goreclaw terror]]
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Legendary Creature — Bear
Creature spells you cast with power 4 or greater cost less to cast.
Whenever Goreclaw attacks, each creature you control with power 4 or greater gets +1/+1 and gains trample until end of turn.
You don't want to know how she got that name.
4/3
misty geyser
16 creatures currently fit that bill
And no, icetill explorer will not be going in
Card does too much
hushed tapir
Card does too much
And Questing Beast…doesn’t???
misty geyser
Nah, it’s mostly anti fog with keyword soup
I’m not talking word count, I’m talking effect
It:
- ramps you
- Lets you play said fetchlands from the grave
- Mills you more lands as you play them
All in one 4 drop? Fuck that
Too much
Nan screw it I haven’t played a Zendikar Resurgent in a fat minute
Wonder what other land doublers I could do
hushed tapir
Wonder what other land doublers I could do
misty geyser
Oh thanks
hushed tapir
Personally big fan of the 3mv ones - [[heartbeat of spring]], [[mana flare]] and [[overabundance]]
hushed tapir
sure they double everyone's mana, but. chaos :)
they're also ALL mana rather than just doubling like. forests. or something
misty geyser
I don’t think a midrange deck is gonna wanna give opponents stuff
hushed tapir
fair
misty geyser
Ohhh shiiiit
hushed tapir
[[nissa who shakes]] [[nirkana rev]]?
misty geyser
[[regal behemoth]]
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Legendary Planeswalker — Nissa
Whenever you tap a Forest for mana, add an additional .
+1: Put three +1/+1 counters on up to one target noncreature land you control. Untap it. It becomes a 0/0 Elemental creature with vigilance and haste that's still a land.
−8: You get an emblem with "Lands you control have indestructible." Search your library for any number of Forest cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Loyalty: 5
Creature — Vampire Shade
Whenever you tap a Swamp for mana, add an additional .
: This creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
Hate is an everlasting wellspring from which she is eternally sustained.
4/4
hushed tapir
ooh monarch
misty geyser
Yeahhhh monarch
Monarch slaps
Plus he’s a big idiot
Love me some big idiots
Alright, I put in some big idiots
See how these guys go
sick locust
misty geyser
I was convinced to do baloth instead of QB