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#Umaru’s Decklist Thread
frail flare
[[isengard unleashed]]
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Sorcery
Damage can't be prevented this turn. If a source you control would deal damage this turn to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals triple that damage instead.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
misty geyser
Basically any damage doubler/double striker
A 4 power creature is suddenly lethal with sakashima copying, jeska + double damag/double strike
frail flare
Oh no, kittens. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Sv-tWPVzuE2l8Xbz1iFfHw
misty geyser
Okay, phyrexian dreadnought is hilarious
Unfortunately not really able to be pulled off?
misty geyser
Eh, I’m not sure we even need to worry about resetting sakashima do we?
If we do we can just run maybe a few
Especially creature ones so we could potentially copy them if needed
frail flare
I think kitten being able to reset jeska each cantrip is amazing though
just as a way to keep activating her
misty geyser
True, but we don’t need flicker spells to trigger kitten
Just any noncreature spells
I also would think we want a decently large suite of big creatures to copy
frail flare
I'm keeping incision and teferi's because they add a counter
misty geyser
[[shaun father]]
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misty geyser
I'm keeping incision and teferi's because they add a counter
That’s fair
I’d still keep kitten, thassa, and even closet
frail flare
Closet feels too slow
misty geyser
Sure, you really only need to reset sakashima maybe once or twice
frail flare
thassa returns something under your control though
misty geyser
[[combustible gearhulk]]?
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misty geyser
Is this a [[kiki jiki]] deck?
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frail flare
I don't think so
misty geyser
I just mean in the sense of making a lot of copies of cards
frail flare
Maybe [[hero of lava]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
, 
: Create a token that's a copy of another target creature you control. It gains haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
, : Create five tokens that are copies of another target creature you control. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3
frail flare
Kiki only lets you do nonlegendary creatures
misty geyser
Oh! What’s the one from D&D
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frail flare
orthion and/or [[rite of replication]]
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Sorcery
Kicker 
(You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Create a token that's a copy of target creature. If this spell was kicked, create five of those tokens instead.
misty geyser
[[delina wild mage]]
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frail flare
She really wants [[wyll, blade]]
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misty geyser
Eh, she can be included raw, there’s not many more relevant dice rolling cards
frail flare
She's OK though on her own, just a lot of randomness
misty geyser
I mean you will always make at least one copy which is more than enough
frail flare
I just love that this is actually a really funny home for the one red leyline
[[leyline of punishment]]
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misty geyser
Is certainly helpful, yeah
frail flare
No teferi's protection
misty geyser
Plus with mindskinner + Jeska it’s lethal
frail flare
Does [[kediss]] get in?
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misty geyser
Yeah, any red voltron should probably run it
frail flare
drops in the karlach sl
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misty geyser
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe not for the triple combat but she’s just good in general
hushed tapir
Y’all got [[moraug, fury of akoum]] yet?
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misty geyser
[[gilanra]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
: Add 
. When you spend this mana to cast a spell with mana value 6 or greater, draw a card.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
"Something mighty stirs in the forest. Can't you feel it?"
1/2
frail flare
I know dolmen is a nonbo here sometimes but it's not always. So
I hate when I just knock out 100 cards. It means I've forgotten something
misty geyser
Wdym
frail flare
Things like interaction or ramp
Or it means the idea is too narrow
But the list I linked earlier is 100 cards
Thoughts of things I missed, [[bria|blb]]
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misty geyser
Gah, my service started being crappy again. Gimme a minute
Dermotaxi doesn’t seem all that helpful
[[call in a professional]] is similarly very low impact
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misty geyser
Especiallt for the cost
hushed tapir
[[slullcrack]]
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hushed tapir
Especiallt for the cost
Basically the same effect but 1mv less
misty geyser
I’ve got 14 card draw (including the cantrips), 12 ramp (including rituals), and 12 removal (including cards that only prevent lifegain/dmg can’t be prevented)
It feels shaky
I’d rather let big creatures do the talking on some of these
Like I’d windmill slam [[ancient silver dragon]] and [[ancient copper dragon]]
hushed tapir
I’d rather let big creatures do the talking on some of these
That’s fair!
misty geyser
That, copy it, become near or immediately lethal
Especially stuff that naturally has evasion
I definitely see the vision on the cantrips and stuff, but.. i’m not sure the deck needs it?
Like, less cantrips for more impactful individual draw spells, cut down on the “cute” game enders for extra ramp/more impactful rituals
frail flare
I’d rather let big creatures do the talking on some of these
And this is where I fail as a deckbuilder/player
I have to actively push myself to use bigger creatures.
I'll happily play an expensive commander but the stuff in the deck?
misty geyser
Another fun thing about “just run some big dudes” is that they tend to draw removal
So they won’t be dealing with all your important stuff
Because they gotta deal with each other
I would defer to Pontiff’s izzet deck too, because it’s also incredibly good
misty geyser
I'll happily play an expensive commander but the stuff in the deck?
See I’m the opposite, if a commander is 5mv or more I’m gonna need heavy convincing to play it, but I’ll happily slam 8 drops into the deck lol
Big thing about this deck is you can double up on literally any impactful creature
Need to push card draw? Drop sakashima as a silver dragon
Need to remove some stuff? Drop Sakashima as a [[balefire dragon]]
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misty geyser
And if your individual card impact is high enough you won’t even necessarily need your commanders
They can play background roles too, a la [[enduring curiosity]]
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misty geyser
And this is where I fail as a deckbuilder/player
Also, I don’t count this as a “failure”, we just see the game differently! I can’t build spellslinger to save my bacon, and I can’t ever justify running cantrips to myself when I could add a mana or two to turn it into a synergistic or repeatable draw permanent
I will literally always play Bob over Night’s Whisper, for instance
frail flare
I mean my instinct is to run something cheap and not a threat.
Failing rather than failure I guess
misty geyser
Evidently I deleted my Derevi tokens deck
hasty portal
Yikes. Sorry to hear about that.
misty geyser
@frail flare so my original concept with Derevi sorta played out like a combo deck, might be in your wheelhouse.
The general synergy plays out like this:
- Make tokens via something that taps or you can pay mana into to make tokens, think [[ant queen]] or [[thraben doomsayer]].
- Attack with tokens, derevi untaps lands or the permanent that makes tokens to make more
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Creature — Insect
: Create a 1/1 green Insect creature token.
"Kill the queen first, or we'll be fighting her drones forever. It is not in a queen's nature to have enough servants." —Borzard, exterminator captain
5/5
Creature — Human Cleric
: Create a 1/1 white Human creature token.
Fateful hour — As long as you have 5 or less life, other creatures you control get +2/+2.
"Swarms of the unhallowed claw at Thraben's gates! Do you still deny the end approaches?"
2/2
misty geyser
Yikes. Sorry to hear about that.
Eh, it just got lost in my migration from tappedout to moxfield, no biggie
misty geyser
<@425497578050945025> so my original concept with Derevi sorta played out like a...
Anyway, the way to enhance this synergy is to run all sorts of permanents that either make multiple mana per tap or allow another permanent to tap for multiple mana
frail flare
[[soul cauldron]]
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frail flare
[[agatha's soul]]
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Legendary Artifact
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to activate abilities of creatures you control.
Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have all activated abilities of all creature cards exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
: Exile target card from a graveyard. When a creature card is exiled this way, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
misty geyser
Hm, could be good, but that has a few more moving parts than I’d be terribly comfortable with
misty geyser
Lemme know what y’all think, my version in paper has a lot of different stuff but it still hums
https://moxfield.com/decks/1D9Xon4tOkuU_A6yS58STg
https://moxfield.com/decks/6Thz37A570GU83LvxSd8QQ
these three are the ones I’m taking to vegas with me
frail flare
How different is it from paper?
misty geyser
How different is it from paper?
Just some cards I don’t have yet like Great Henge and Ozolith Shattered spire. Was hoping for advice on the online list, in case I missed some obvious includes. Paper list has an [[old gnawbone]] I’m considering finding a slot for.
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misty geyser
So uh… yeah. Cleopatra is nuts
After my recent changes to get closer to the real decklist, she rocketed up to the “real freakin’ good” section of my decks
I frequently get myself under 20 cards in library before the game is over
I’m debating whether to either play into discarding to hand size more or run stuff like reliquary tower
frail flare
I don't tend to play them unless I'm in colors with bad options for recovery of key pieces.
So I would suggest in GB play into discarding
misty geyser
I need more mass reanimation it seems
dense wadi
Cleo looked like an interesting deck, I take it you’re enjoying her?
misty geyser
Cleo looked like an interesting deck, I take it you’re enjoying her?
Definitely, there’s some gross stuff you can do with her
And a good few key pieces that make the deck turbo pop off
misty geyser
Bump
rose umbra
anything with blue white will be a start. I personally think zur would be a great place to be as it can scale super easily
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Artifact
As long as Trinisphere is untapped, each spell that would cost less than three mana to cast costs three mana to cast. (Additional mana in the cost may be paid with any color of mana or colorless mana. For example, a spell that would cost 
to cast costs 
to cast instead.)
misty geyser
Because, based
misty geyser
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/uAAe16HL5kuxj1WxUxzgdg
I do like punisher.. hmm
tired wind
Trinisphere is 100% forcable here aslong as you cut the spellslinger elements
which are more secondary anyway
misty geyser
Right, I would also absolutely want red for nonbasic hate
So like [[burning earth]], price of progress, sunspire lynx etc
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misty geyser
Blood moon
rose umbra
Oh artifacts you should do Magda
tired wind
there are some good red and black stax pieces i didnt include because they are oldborder
rose umbra
tutor for stax pieces
tired wind
Null Rod, Burning Earth, contamination
Tutors in general are also missing
so if you do wanna run Rakdos prison Val is amazing
misty geyser
How do you think [[seismic assault]] would do in valgavoth?
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misty geyser
Especially if you’re drawing so much
misty geyser
Oh true
tired wind
It would probably be good if you get there
but the only card i took that risk with is underworld dreams in the mock up
because draw hate is especially good in a deck like this
because it keeps opponents from being able to dig for the answers
misty geyser
I will say that blood moon decks can actually run a solid land recursion package too
tired wind
true, but is there enough in rakdos to be worth that?
misty geyser
I mean it’s basically just crucible and like 10 fetches
The fetches can definitely fetch the basics you need
From experience, ~15 of them can consistently get you your fixing for a blood moon deck
I didn’t expend the energy finding the lower limit though
tired wind
oh yeah if you just mean 8 fetches + crucible then i agree that can be worth it, but you do need to decide between that and Winter Moon
tired wind
I just see a scenario in which you dont have lands in hand, get a fetch back but now you can only use it once
if you dont think thats to much of a problem then yeah its great
rough first draft of a more tutor and higher power version
misty geyser
Maaaybe, but them being legends is more happenstance than anything
There’s a LOT of nonlegends that dk it too
misty geyser
Nice
Alright, I have a pile of what I think are the best nonlands
But I do want to remove some to make room for a decent removal package
And for sure a bit more proper ramp
I think land ramp is best here
frail flare
Yeah, I've seen people be dissuaded from building her because there "aren't enough raccoons"
And she just doesn't feel that way.
misty geyser
Yeah, I've seen people be dissuaded from building her because there "aren't enou...
I built her with being completely fine having zero other racoons.
Ramp and draw in the cz just for the cost of playing magic is really good, it turns out
frail flare
Even if it's just like her and the 3 mana dork raccoons she's pretty solid
misty geyser
I have 10 raccoons/changeling/roaming throne, which means I’m usually getting at least one
frail flare
Outside of the unfortunate clone incident I liked how Muerra played
misty geyser
Yeah! It performed pretty well, maybe a bit slow for it’s ideal scenario but still did good
frail flare
I think things speed up as you're more comfortable playing decks too
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Artifact
, : Create a 2/2 colorless Shapeshifter creature token with changeling. (It has every creature type.)
Changelings can't remember where they came from. They just know it wasn't a cradle.
frail flare
I want to suggest [[Kaito, bane of shadows]] or [[sivitri, dragon master]] for this so much
misty geyser
I want to suggest [[Kaito, bane of shadows]] or [[sivitri, dragon master]] for ...
this was a deck my friend wanted my help making and he wanted to keep it budget
Sivitri is a good shout thiugh
Yeah, it’s typal typal
Kaito is pretty pricy though
frail flare
Yeah, that's the reason why not
abstract abyss
Is the "Krenko's Discount Center" deck good for a casual playgroup, i cant figure out by looking at it, And from all the goblin decks you made which one is the most fun to you? i like playing goblin decks but i dont have an edh goblin deck and was looking for some fun ones to buy and play 🙂
misty geyser
Is the "Krenko's Discount Center" deck good for a casual playgroup, i cant figur...
Krenko’s Discount Center was a budget deck i made for a friend quite a while ago, it would be really solid as a budget deck. I’d need to heavily update it but it’d be a good one to use.
abstract abyss
budget is totally fine for me and my playgroup. Ill try it out ty
abstract abyss
is there another goblin deck you created that you can recommend, i just want to try around a bit
misty geyser
is there another goblin deck you created that you can recommend, i just want to ...
Sorry, I thought I replied to this. Gimme a sec
misty geyser
I have a friends [[wort raid]] deck I’m trying to get his list for
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misty geyser
Anyway, with Muerra (https://moxfield.com/decks/bu7Ycu3E30WEPfzwc-q1bg)
I took some basics out so I could add the fight spell mdfcs and it did a TON of work
broken dust
@misty geyser for your slimefoot deck, would you consider adding [[shroofus sproutsire]] ? https://moxfield.com/decks/EN9pEGEOKEKR-uW47a9Mng
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misty geyser
Oh definitely
I haven’t updated that deck in over a year
But anything that spits out saprolings at the rate that dude does is definitely worth
broken dust
Yea I wanna build him I love mushrooms!
I’m actually just wondering if I should just make shroofus the commander and go mono green though.
misty geyser
Shroofus being the commander would make a lot more saprolings
This one basically just uses slimefoot and squee to mill and reanimate thallids
broken dust
Yaaa fair I think I like that gameplan better. I love rakdos
misty geyser
Slimefoot and squee is jund! My favorite (yet least successfully built) color combo
abstract abyss
I have a friends [[wort raid]] deck I’m trying to get his list for
Ye he looks interesting ty
misty geyser
Ye he looks interesting ty
She* but yeah, https://moxfield.com/decks/PLeNvV1sHUKrGhqMaWKAzg
there’s the list
abstract abyss
Ty
misty geyser
Also idk how the hell I pulled it off but my username AND display name on Moxfield are both “Umaru” now and I’m incredibly happy
misty geyser
Yeah fixed the pfp
Anyway, I have had two recent deck ideas
- Jund control
- Titan typal (https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Atitan-trigger+legal%3Acommander)
For jund control I’m thinking one of the windgraces, not sure which yet. For titan typal it’d certainly need to be a 4-5c commander.
I’m thinking perhaps [[prismatic bridge]] or Ramos for that
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Legendary Creature — God
Vigilance
: Add one mana of any color.
Other legendary creatures you control have vigilance and ": Add one mana of any color."
"I know this world, from canopy to roots."
1/4
The Prismatic Bridge 
Legendary Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature or planeswalker card. Put that card onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Starnheim awaits.
misty geyser
Especially since titans tend to be really expensive
frail flare
They're 6 usually
misty geyser
Yeah, getting to 12 mana where double spelling would be very difficult
frail flare
You could always do Morophon Giants
frail flare
So are you looking at what is "selesnya coco in commander"?
misty geyser
So are you looking at what is "selesnya coco in commander"?
Ideally, yeah. It’s similar in concept to my old esper flying men deck, and I suspect it fails as a deck for the same reason
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frail flare
[[gylwain casting]]
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frail flare
Neither of them care about you casting the creatures and they offer a direct benefit.
misty geyser
One idea i had was Ellivere
Same concept as her cedh list has, she simply provides card draw and a way to actually make them useful/impactful
frail flare
Ellivere is sort of the selesnya titan...
misty geyser
So true, actually
frail flare
The reason I was saying Gylwain is because the focus is on the other creatures entering
Rather than just once a turn
misty geyser
Gah I always forget what the roles do
[[royal role]] [[sorcerer role]] [[monster role]]
misty geyser
welp
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frail flare
no
misty geyser
Ah, all three of those that gylwain makes only give +1/+1
frail flare
the one that's for each enchantment
misty geyser
Virtuous role, yeah
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misty geyser
[[ellivere]]
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frail flare
Coastal piracy
misty geyser
Yeah
I wonder if her ability would be enough. It’d be a hell of a lot of work to rebuild otherwise
Nontoken weenie builds are nigh impossible to make in commander lol
Closest I’ve found is Delney
Y’know what, maybe I will build ellivere as “weenies I like”, to have a lower power build
misty geyser
I love that name lol
Golden tail trainer in this deck is really interesting
I think owlbear cub might not be great, because it doesn’t give them indestructible
I wonder if dolmen gate would be good here
Trigger the scry without fear of losing your dudes
frail flare
Gylwain would give them an enchantment though when they enter
Which could give them totem armor
misty geyser
Right, but that doesn’t necessarily save them
How would they get totem armor from that?
frail flare
If you have [[umbra mystic]]
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misty geyser
Right, but that’s 1/99
frail flare
or any of the modified creatures get whatever
misty geyser
True
frail flare
[[tale for the ages]]
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misty geyser
Hmmmmmm would [[the great henge]] be useful enough here?
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Legendary Artifact
This spell costs 
less to cast, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
: Add . You gain 2 life.
Whenever a nontoken creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on it and draw a card.
frail flare
But, I think Ellivere would work, I just was thinking Gylwain because of the enchantment on the creature's etb
But I can take it to my deck thread
misty geyser
Yeah the big downside with ellivere is that she can’t buff herself
misty geyser
Okay, so I’ve had a brainworm begin to dig into my brain
Remember that idea I had for [[vannifar evolved enigma]] that is artifact creatures?
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Legendary Creature — Elf Ooze Wizard
At the beginning of combat on your turn, choose one —
• Cloak a card from your hand. (Put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
• Put a +1/+1 counter on each colorless creature you control.
3/4
misty geyser
I looked at her edhrec page at all decks that include steel overseer
And whoooooo boy are there some spicy includes
[[basking broodscale]], [[decoction module]], [[threefold thunderhulk]], [[sai master thopterist]]
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Creature — Eldrazi Lizard
Devoid (This card has no color.)
: Adapt 1. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Basking Broodscale, you may create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this creature: Add 
."
2/2
Artifact
Whenever a creature you control enters, you get 
(an energy counter).
, : Return target creature you control to its owner's hand.
Progress leads to inspiration.
Artifact Creature — Gnome
Threefold Thunderhulk enters with three +1/+1 counters on it.
Whenever Threefold Thunderhulk enters or attacks, create a number of 1/1 colorless Gnome artifact creature tokens equal to its power.
, Sacrifice another artifact: Put a +1/+1 counter on Threefold Thunderhulk.
0/0
Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Whenever you cast an artifact spell, create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying.
, Sacrifice two artifacts: Draw a card.
"Industry without artistry is just a fancy way to fill the junkyard."
1/4
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Whenever you cast a colorless spell, create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this creature: Add ."
Whenever another colorless creature you control enters, Glaring Fleshraker deals 1 damage to each opponent.
2/2
misty geyser
[[towashi guide bot]]
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Artifact Creature — Construct
When Towashi Guide-Bot enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
, : Draw a card. This ability costs less to activate for each modified creature you control. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
2/1
misty geyser
https://scryfall.com/card/kld/205/decoction-module
Oops, not this. [[animation module]]
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Artifact
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on a permanent you control, you may pay . If you do, create a 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature token.
, : Choose a counter on target permanent or player. Give that permanent or player another counter of that kind.
Design leads to progress.
frail flare
I'm very confused by the artifact subtheme atm
But it may just be because I'm sick
I feel like you want [[encroaching mycosynth]]
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misty geyser
I'm very confused by the artifact subtheme atm
Artifacts is the main theme. Artifact creature beatdown
misty geyser
Colorless creatures being artifacts in this case
Usually. I have a few exceptions
Like [[basking broodscale]], glaring fleshraker, kozilek and friends
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Creature — Eldrazi Lizard
Devoid (This card has no color.)
: Adapt 1. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Basking Broodscale, you may create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this creature: Add ."
2/2
dense wadi
Right I saw the Eldrazi subtheme
misty geyser
Not so much a subtheme as they just happen to work REALLY well with vannifar
dense wadi
Have you considered [[echo eternity]]
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dense wadi
I feel there must be enough triggers for it to put in work, and it works for the devoid cards as well
Not sure how you might feel about [[ancient stirring]]
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misty geyser
Never been a fan of that kind of effect since it’s basically just a fancy cantrip
misty geyser
I feel there must be enough triggers for it to put in work, and it works for the...
Copying colorless spells is huge too, doubling all your bodies
dense wadi
Never been a fan of that kind of effect since it’s basically just a fancy cantri...
You’re not wrong
dense wadi
Copying colorless spells is huge too, doubling all your bodies
Oh yeah, it doubles all your artifacts not just creatures but period
Even something like a sol ring gets doubled if it comes out after
Would something like [[access denied]] be worthwhile as a later game board refill or do you think it’s too pricey
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misty geyser
Would something like [[access denied]] be worthwhile as a later game board refil...
I don’t like any counterspells over 2 mana tbh
5 mana ones are basically completely out of the question
dense wadi
Thats fair
I don’t view it as a normal counterspell at that point, more a way to hopefully turn tempo around if it gets lost
frail flare
I think it's just how I read Vannifar vs the deck construction in addition to being sick
A lot of face down colorless creatures so the artifact synergy had a disconnect
misty geyser
Ahh, could be.
Haven’t actually looked at the ratio of artifact to colorless
Tbf, it was a 2am deckbuilding fever as one has so
misty geyser
So I’m testing vannifar right now
It kinda sucks, ngl
It could be that I’m playing against baral counterspell typal
But I’m seeing the problem with it being too split 50/50 between general colorless creatures and artifact creatures
I’m thinking it’ll be more appropriate to make it more focused on general colorless creatures
misty geyser
Linking for further discussion per #commander
Deck is expensive but tbh there’s lots of replacements for lots of things
If you wanna make it more budget
sharp garden
Commenting so it will be on my channel list.
sharp garden
Those poor souls don't know what they're missing out on.
misty geyser
My obsession over this stupid raccoon and my piss poor attempt at vannifar, currently
frail flare
Your muerra list is increasingly filling up with cards I heavily dislike 😅
sharp garden
Which ones?
sharp garden
Understandable
frail flare
Dragonhawk, zopandrel, terastodon, nyxbloom, klauth, etc.
sharp garden
Dragonhawk deserves no slander
frail flare
It's mostly a reflection of my being a fan of 0/1s
sharp garden
Kobold gaming?
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
Kobold gaming?
Yes, [[rograkh]] is my angry son.
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
Old Gnawbone for one
Old gnawbone’s been in there from the start!!
misty geyser
It's mostly a reflection of my being a fan of 0/1s
Don’t get me wrong, if I can pull off a nontoken weenie deck in edh I will 10000000% love abd cherish it
It’s why I tried so desperately to mske tymna//malcolm work
And why I want to make Gylwain/Ellivere
But I do very much enjoy both halves of that spectrum
Beeg bois are fun because they solve the problem of needing a wincon by being big ass dudes
Unfortunately they need supported with cheap ramp
Weenies have the opposite problem, they don’t need ramp but the card quality is low and you need a lot of draw to supplement
frail flare
Yep
As I've said, my downfall as a player is I like probably mid cards that make me feel smart. That doesn't go along with big stompy
misty geyser
As I've said, my downfall as a player is I like probably mid cards that make me ...
See the thing there is that you can feel smart in finding ways to do big stuff faster
there’s intelligence to the art of stompy as much as there is combo
Like I feel smart for recognizing muerra as a great stompy card
frail flare
Usually those cards aren't mid though
misty geyser
Well, you can always use less than ideal big idiots and find clever ways to make them better
frail flare
I can promise you. The smart stompy cards or ones that facilitate them aren't mid
[[Pip-boy 2000]] is an example
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, choose one —
• Sort Inventory — Draw a card, then discard a card.
• Pick a Perk — Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
• Check Map — Untap up to two target lands.
Equip
sharp garden
Pip-Boy 3000 has been GREAT
It has been one of my favorite equipment cards in my equipment deck, though I'm sure it's still very usable outside of equipment specific decks
Also, as a bounceland believer, $$$
Untapping 4 mana after attacking makes me pretty happy
misty geyser
Don’t think I’ve ever played it
It just seems like a lot of mana to maybe possibly untap some lands
sharp garden
I usually equip it for free in my equipment deck, or even if you pay 2, you get that mana back, and can keep generating value in the future
And there are many utility lands that may enter tapped that you can untap the turn you play them
While you can also get the looting effect if you so happen to need it
(+1/+1 doesn't exist)
misty geyser
Yeah, for me this basically just reads “3 mana and a creature: get two mana”
And atp I’d rather just run, like, cultivate
sharp garden
Green players, smh
sharp garden
It does allow for exerting with fewer lands
And if you have bouncelands out it reads "3 mana and a creature: get 3+ mana"
misty geyser
Y’know, ramp on equipment in general I’m very mid on
Because you have to soend the mana to cast, equip, AND get the creature out
sharp garden
I love [[dowsing dagger]] if I'm in a deck with evasive creatures anyways
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Artifact — Equipment
When Dowsing Dagger enters, target opponent creates two 0/2 green Plant creature tokens with defender.
Equipped creature gets +2/+1.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may transform Dowsing Dagger.
Equip
Lost Vale
Land
(Transforms from Dowsing Dagger.)
: Add three mana of any one color.
The pirates had ventured into the interior for treasure. They found something far greater.
misty geyser
On top of still having to safely swing in
If you don’t satisfy any one of those requirements it’s a dead card
Well
Dowsing dagger I’d say is an exception
Since it actually turns into a land
sharp garden
You mean more stuff like [[goldvein pick]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
sharp garden
Well, what about something like [[reaver cleaver]] which grants the ability to do damage as well as the ramp for dealing damage
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has trample and "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, create that many Treasure tokens."
Equip
sharp garden
That, sword of the animist, sword of hearth and home, pip bot 3000
I like these in equipment decks, since they are all land ramp. And in the equipment deck colors (usually boros or boros+not green), land ramp isn't as easy as cultivate.
sharp garden
It also might make more sense in decks with naturally evasive and low cost creatures anyways. Say birds or something dumb.
misty geyser
I just don’t like equipment decks
sharp garden
Completely fair
misty geyser
I find it extremely hard to get the ratio of relevant creatures to relevant equipment right
While still maintaining a ramp and draw density to keep ahead
sharp garden
I've been really happy with my jeskai captain america deck
misty geyser
Isn’t that just voltron
sharp garden
I haven't yet needed specific alternate equipment holders, as my various ramp and utility creatures can hold equipment well
Isn't equipment just voltron
misty geyser
No
When people say equipment I typically think of something like [[akiri fearless voyager]]
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Legendary Creature — Kor Warrior
Whenever you attack a player with one or more equipped creatures, draw a card.
: You may unattach an Equipment from a creature you control. If you do, tap that creature and it gains indestructible until end of turn.
"No angel bars our ascent. Emeria waits above!"
3/3
sharp garden
It also has a pretty interesting controlly slant since you can throw stuff as consistent removal, especially with stuff like [[sword of kaldra]] equipped. Read: "3 mana: deal 1 damage to 3 targets, exile them all]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +5/+5.
Whenever equipped creature deals damage to a creature, exile that creature. (Exile it only if it's still on the battlefield.)
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery. This card enters unattached and stays on the battlefield if the creature leaves.)
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Living weapon
Indestructible
Equipped creature gets +5/+5 and has first strike, trample, indestructible, haste, and "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a creature, exile that creature."
Equip 
sharp garden
And with [[training grounds]] out, it becomes 1 mana to throw
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Enchantment
Activated abilities of creatures you control cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
For those who survived, being prepared for the next crisis became one of the greatest virtues.
misty geyser
[[captain america]]
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
Welp
sharp garden
[[captain america, first avenger]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Hero
Throw ... — , Unattach an Equipment from Captain America: He deals damage equal to that Equipment's mana value divided as you choose among one, two, or three targets.
... Catch — At the beginning of combat on your turn, attach up to one target Equipment you control to Captain America.
4/4
sharp garden
also potentially burn with [[excalibur]] - throw it, catch it for free during combat, attack, throw it again after combat
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the total mana value of historic permanents you control. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
Equipped creature gets +10/+0 and has vigilance.
Equip legendary creature
sharp garden
Yes, also that, but infinite mana is for smelly nerds.
misty geyser
True
sharp garden
[[reality chip]] is also turning into one of my favorite cards
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Equipment Jellyfish
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
As long as The Reality Chip is attached to a creature, you may play lands and cast spells from the top of your library.
Reconfigure (: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
0/4
sharp garden
My deck for reference, still obv a WIP. https://archidekt.com/decks/9803880
frail flare
But, the general interaction on pip-boy above is one that happens with a lot of cards I like and doesn't with mid-ish stompy
My husband says the closest he can think of is [[ghalta|lci]]
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sharp garden
As an interaction you like?
frail flare
No, closest to a mid stompy card
sharp garden
Gotcha
frail flare
Because it has an inherent skill trap in it
misty geyser
Yeah, it’s fine
sharp garden
yeah, something like pipboy offers a decision tree
misty geyser
If you’re drawing a lot of cards it’s good but you probably have better to be doing
As a result drawing said lots of cards
frail flare
The best smart thing you can do with it is sac it with the trigger on thw stack to greater good
And even then, that's so niche
And why I say that stompy cares about quality and inevitability. Smart stompy is efficient with resilience.
Muerra is smart stompy
People read her as a typal commander and think she's bad. I've advocated for her for a while, especially after the spikefeeders game.
misty geyser
People read her as a typal commander and think she's bad. I've advocated for her...
Tbh I didn’t even know she existed until the point where I built her immediately
misty geyser
I should watch that spikefeeders ep
I should watch that spikefeeders ep
Ftfy
sharp garden
I do watch some of their videos, but most of my commander gameplay viewing is limited to MTGGoldfish or Ben Brode. 
Too many games, so little time.
misty geyser
Commander at home has been my main
frail flare
misty geyser
Especially anything with ben brode
sharp garden
Ben Brode just has an infectious personality
misty geyser
Ben Brode just has an infectious personality
And a mind that is more of an enigma than Patrick’s
sharp garden
Truly a mystery
frail flare
And @misty geyser you replied to one of the ones I made 5 months ago.
sharp garden
Bloomburrow had so many cool commanders tbh
misty geyser
And basically forgot
dense wadi
It’s got Bello
sharp garden
Vren, Eluge, Dragonhawk, Gev, Helga, Hugs, Maha maybe, Wick is pretty cool, Ygra
misty geyser
Having blown out the bello player I know multiple times with a swords to plowshares, I am not much a fan of him
sharp garden
He's so weak to removal
misty geyser
Yeah
frail flare
And, as I also said, she got written off as "racoon commander. There aren't enough of them"
sharp garden
Oh you spent all your mana on that expensive mana rock? Swords, and now you have no creatures.
misty geyser
It must be bittersweet to be proven right by being hit hard by it lol
frail flare
No, it's the best feeling in the world.
misty geyser
Surprisingly, too, she’s extremely resilient
I mentioned this to kale yesterday but I usually end games in the 50s on life
frail flare
I know I'm a mid player/deckbuilder so being right about something is the best feeling
misty geyser
And the ramp you do leading into more and more just means oyu kinda never stop rolling the ball
misty geyser
I know I'm a mid player/deckbuilder so being right about something is the best f...
I disagree! You are a good deckbuilder
frail flare
Even if it means I'm having to stare it down.
misty geyser
You just get more enjoyment out of doing more hipster stuff
I will say that Muerra can also be a quite good budget commander
Raccoons are by and large cheap as hell, and the top end can be basically whatever you want and it’ll work
sharp garden
By friend has both an upgraded bello precon, and an upgraded gruul dragon precon. I should show him Muerra.
misty geyser
What’s even more is that she’d also be stupid good in the 99 of decks
I’m considering finding a slot for her in a ton of stuff
sharp garden
yeah, exert is just generically good
regardless of if you care about raccoons or not
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
This is my Bello list, which can run Muerra instead https://moxfield.com/decks/3SVXNb19WE2gwghZH2c_2Q
misty geyser
You get incidental lifegain, and card advantage
Life gain, ramp, card advantage
It has my 3 favorire rhings right there
On top of being a 3 or less mv commander
Those are my favorite
misty geyser
Life gain I just like because people underestimate how good even gaining 5 life is
sharp garden
^^
dense wadi
This is my Bello list, which can run Muerra instead https://moxfield.com/decks/3...
I wanna build Bello as vehicles someday
sharp garden
Turns 1-4 when you're ramping like hell and people's dinky little 1-3 power creatures are hitting you really add up.
misty geyser
I always include at least one method of gaining repeatable life in decks
sharp garden
I wanna build Bello as vehicles someday
Aetherdrift is going to be so huge for Bello
I want to convert my Norin deck into more vehicle focused, so here's hoping for more crew 2 vehicles in red.
misty geyser
Aetherdrift is huge for vehicles period
Not my style but I can certainly appreciate them
dense wadi
There’s already a lot of funny vehicle options for Bello and I’m hoping to see more
misty geyser
I was considering running [[rolling hamsphere]] in vannifar
grand hingeBOT
dense wadi
[[cybership]]
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dense wadi
I like cybership because if it hits once you don’t need Bello anymore
It makes its own crew
misty geyser
Ohh true
sharp garden
I've seenj one that ETBs to make an alien to crew itself too?
Forget which
Obviously you care more about attack triggers with bello
since he gives haste
frail flare
I just liked the idea of Bello with [[blaster, combat]]
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
Other nontoken artifact creatures and Vehicles you control have modular 1. (They enter with an additional +1/+1 counter on them. When they die, you may put their +1/+1 counters on target artifact creature.)
Whenever you put one or more +1/+1 counters on Blaster, convert it.
3/3
Blaster, Morale Booster
Legendary Artifact
Modular 3
, : Move X +1/+1 counters from Blaster onto another target artifact. That artifact gains haste until end of turn. If Blaster has no +1/+1 counters on it, convert it. Activate only as a sorcery.
sharp garden
I wish the transformers were cuter
frail flare
Same mana as bello to cast and would hit as a 7/7
sharp garden
[[giggling skitterspike]] has been kinda crazy in his deck too tbh
grand hingeBOT
Artifact Creature — Toy
Indestructible
Whenever Giggling Skitterspike attacks, blocks, or becomes the target of a spell, it deals damage equal to its power to each opponent.
: Monstrosity 5. (If this creature isn't monstrous, put five +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.)
1/1
sharp garden
Huh, blaster is pretty cool. Took me a while to understand it apparently.
misty geyser
My main thing is my ideal starting hand
I want:
- 3 lands
- A <=2 mv ramp spell
- A ramp spell that ramps more than one mana
- Some big dudes
From there it’s rinse and repeat
hushed tapir
you're averaging 2.62 lands per opening hand at the moment, which is close to your desired 3...
what're your thoughts on [[braid of fire]]?
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Enchantment
Cumulative upkeep—Add . (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
"To a trained mind, the cold is but a momentary distraction."
sharp garden
I don't see any haste enablers. I'd recommend one or two
hushed tapir
[[carnelian orb of dragonkind]] is an on flavor mana rock
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Artifact
: Add . If that mana is spent on a Dragon creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn.
Sages whisper that Lathliss still keeps the heart of the old dragon queen sealed within a jewel, its smoldering warmth an eternal reminder that no monarch is untouchable.
hushed tapir
3mv might be too much though
misty geyser
what're your thoughts on [[braid of fire]]?
Not enough instant speed stuff
misty geyser
I don't see any haste enablers. I'd recommend one or two
Lightning greaves, but I see your point
hushed tapir
oh, Umaru - if you want another sol land, [[crystal vein]] works if you're trying to turbo something out
grand hingeBOT
Land
: Add .
, Sacrifice Crystal Vein: Add .
misty geyser
[[carnelian orb of dragonkind]] is an on flavor mana rock
3 mana is fine but it would eat a “big mana” slot
My “small mana” slot ends at 2
sharp garden
There's like [[hammer of purphoros]] and the glimmer of courage thing
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Legendary Enchantment Artifact
Creatures you control have haste.
, , Sacrifice a land: Create a 3/3 colorless Golem enchantment artifact creature token.
All the world is Purphoros's anvil.
hushed tapir
considering 1/10th of your deck are dragons, you might want [[dragonlords servant]] as a second copy of ruby medallion
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Creature — Goblin Shaman
Dragon spells you cast cost less to cast.
Atarka serving-goblins coat themselves with grease imbued with noxious herbs, hoping to discourage their ravenous masters from adding them to the meal.
1/3
sharp garden
And I'm flip flopping whether I like koth or [[chandra torch of defiance]] more in my red decks. I think I prefer chandra
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Legendary Planeswalker — Chandra
+1: Exile the top card of your library. You may cast that card. If you don't, Chandra, Torch of Defiance deals 2 damage to each opponent.
+1: Add .
−3: Chandra, Torch of Defiance deals 4 damage to target creature.
−7: You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast a spell, this emblem deals 5 damage to any target."
Loyalty: 4
misty geyser
And I'm flip flopping whether I like koth or [[chandra torch of defiance]] more ...
I’m ngl I completely forgot about her
misty geyser
considering 1/10th of your deck are dragons, you might want [[dragonlords servan...
I had considered it, and might just do it because getting my commander out matters a good bit more
sharp garden
As always [[cursed mirror]] is busted
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Artifact
: Add .
As Cursed Mirror enters, you may have it become a copy of any creature on the battlefield until end of turn, except it has haste.
hushed tapir
also I think I like fellwar stone better than ruby diamond here - untapped v tapped is more important than producing colored mana, I think
misty geyser
As always [[cursed mirror]] is busted
Ohhhhh it can copy dragonhawk too
Get another ETB
sharp garden
Yeah, I don't run fire diamond in my decks
misty geyser
also I think I like fellwar stone better than ruby diamond here - untapped v tap...
Fair, my brain shuts off for mono colored decks lol
I forgot it existed
hushed tapir
Fair, my brain shuts off for mono colored decks lol
same with [[liquimetal torque]] over manakin, the torque effectively has haste and you don't need the random body
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Artifact
: Add .
: Target nonland permanent becomes an artifact in addition to its other types until end of turn.
"Weaponized jewelry has a long and respected history." —Ervos Trax
hushed tapir
plus red can turn things into artifacts then blow them up
misty geyser
Well luckily I have both
sharp garden
You only have a few treasure producers, but [[rain of riches]] is cool for big red.
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hushed tapir
Well luckily I have both
I totally missed torque in the artifacts section, my b
misty geyser
Uhhh what can I replace it with? I realized the buffs I could give it are only given to red creatures
So that idea don’t work
hushed tapir
Uhhh what can I replace it with? I realized the buffs I could give it are only g...
[[buried treasure]] [[fractured powerstone]] [[helm of awakening]] [[orb of dragonkind | afr]]
you could also jam a ritual or two
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Artifact — Treasure
, Sacrifice Buried Treasure: Add one mana of any color.
, Exile Buried Treasure from your graveyard: Discover 5. Activate only as a sorcery. (Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card with mana value 5 or less. Cast it without paying its mana cost or put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.)
Artifact
: Add .
: Roll the planar die. Activate only as a sorcery.
The Thran learned to capture mana, but power inevitably escapes its bonds.
Artifact
Spells cost less to cast.
"This little prize will cover your head, your spells, your bets, and your behind!" —Pashad ibn Asim, Suq'Ata trader
Artifact
, : Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast Dragon spells or activate abilities of Dragons.
, , Sacrifice Orb of Dragonkind: Look at the top seven cards of your library. You may reveal a Dragon card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
hushed tapir
you're already got jeskas will
hushed tapir
yeah afr r orb seems good in this deck, better than carnelian? i think?
misty geyser
Carnelian gives haste
hushed tapir
true, but is also three mana
hushed tapir
oh damn it's like 1:15 - I gotta be up at 7:00/7:30 tomorrow for work - this deck looks sweet so far! I'm a huge sucker for Big Mana decks
sharp garden
Atsushi didn't feel very good in my big red deck
hushed tapir
atushi has never felt good to me
misty geyser
oh damn it's like 1:15 - I gotta be up at 7:00/7:30 tomorrow for work - this dec...
1:12, gotta be up at 6:30 😅
hushed tapir
atushi has never felt good to me
was in my prosper list years ago for .30 seconds
sharp garden
Go to sleep~ 🎵
hushed tapir
1:12, gotta be up at 6:30 😅
🍻 cheers
misty geyser
Go to sleep~ 🎵
But big reeeeeed
sharp garden
Dream of stomping nerds
hushed tapir
aight I am going to bed though - will check this out again in the morning on the train (god I love public transit lmao)
sharp garden
You should put [[Ilharg, the raze]] in there. My beloved boar.
grand hingeBOT
hushed tapir
ARE YOU GOING TO MC CHICAGO SOV
YEAH I’M GONNA DO MY BEST TO BE THERE - WORK IS USUALLY PRETTY SLOW IN FEBRUARY
ARE YOU GONNA BE THERE
misty geyser
YEAH I’M GONNA DO MY BEST TO BE THERE - WORK IS USUALLY PRETTY SLOW IN FEBRUARY
HECK YEAH
misty geyser
ARE YOU GONNA BE THERE
YEAH
sharp garden
Stop yelling
misty geyser
Sorry you mentioned public transport and I started going down this chain of eventually remembering you’re from chicago
hushed tapir
Stop yelling <:NotLikeLain:635462319278784513>
-# okay
sharp garden
The neighbors are trying to sleep
misty geyser
-# yeah!
hushed tapir
Sorry you mentioned public transport and I started going down this chain of even...
All good haha - yeah!! I am :)
misty geyser
I will be doing very few events this time around, so lots of socializing and playing commander
hushed tapir
Heck yeah
misty geyser
I am 100000% getting in one or more games with you
hushed tapir
Ooh I need to see what side events there are
hushed tapir
I am 100000% getting in one or more games with you
Absolutely!!
hushed tapir
God I miss sealed/GP/magiccons, it’s been like 6 years since ive been to one
frail flare
So my Ganax deck, I replaced the chaos dragon with [[firespitter whelp]]
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
In a 2c deck was easier to cast and did more consistent damage even if it itself wasn't attacking.
While the color density doesn't matter in mono-r you're still on 47 hits
You may also want [[impending flux]]
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Sorcery
Paradox — Impending Flux deals X damage to each opponent and each creature they control, where X is 1 plus the number of spells you've cast from anywhere other than your hand this turn.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
sharp garden
In big red, he won't be casting many spells often, despite exiling many cards to be cast with dragonhawk
misty geyser
Oh, yeah impending flux would only do like 1 damage
sharp garden
90% of those cards will turn intjo burn
frail flare
Since you can foretell it I didn't know if it was worth holding it.
Was my thinking on it
misty geyser
Even then I’d still be casting like 4 spells at the max
And that’s more christmasland than anything
frail flare
Fair.
But, on the whelp, it may be my bad rolls but there was plenty of times that the chaos dragon just wasn't able to do anything.
misty geyser
[[chaos dragon]]
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sharp garden
chaos dragon has the benefit of being 4 power for dragonhawk
misty geyser
At the very least, he’s a cheap 4/4
sharp garden
It's make more sense in a power matters deck than others
misty geyser
There were a lot of decks on edhrec I saw running a bunch of 2 mana 4+ power creatures
And that just feels like cheating
Because they’re completely useless outside feeding dragonhawk
frail flare
I thought dragonhawk cared about the mv
sharp garden
I really like [[mimic vat]] in my big red deck. Mine is a lot about sneak attack though, so it may not carry over as well. I think it's a good card in general though.
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Artifact
Imprint — Whenever a nontoken creature dies, you may exile that card. If you do, return each other card exiled with Mimic Vat to its owner's graveyard.
, : Create a token that's a copy of a card exiled with Mimic Vat. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
sharp garden
[[dragonhawk]]
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
God I hate that dragonhawk still from 2HG
sharp garden
Just noticed no etali smh
frail flare
I can't get back in to check atm but is [[rite of the raging storm]] in there?
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
I'd remembered them being goaded for some reason.
sharp garden
There's a different one that spawns goaded tokens, party crashers? But they are smaller.
frail flare
[[life of the party]]
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
I merged them
misty geyser
i’m considering adding [[doric]] to all three of these. Ideas for cuts?
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
[[casal lurkwood]]
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Legendary Creature — Tiefling Druid
Vigilance
When Casal enters, search your library for a Forest card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Whenever Doric attacks, you may pay . If you do, transform her.
3/3
Casal, Pathbreaker Owlbear
Legendary Creature — Bird Bear
Vigilance, trample
When this creature transforms into Casal, Pathbreaker Owlbear, other legendary creatures you control get +2/+2 and gain trample until end of turn.
At the beginning of your upkeep, transform Doric.
6/6
misty geyser
Oh wait
Legendary
I’m so dumb lol
It won’t go in Muerra, but the other two still definitely like it
misty geyser
https://moxfield.com/decks/-NTvZdkEzE6YKibsxH8jTw
another theorycraft. I do NOT plan to turn breena into raffine, but i did need to get this out of my system
I’ve been itching to cast faerie mastermind and ledger shredder lately
Easily two of my favorite cards
Plus it has a slightly specific focus on two cost creatures unless there were some real effective ones
And testing around with a couple flash enablers
misty geyser
Okay, I do have a new direction for esper tempo, because I think I am going back to Tymna. I’m thinking of replacing Malcolm with [[esior wardwing]], since it will be a cheaper, more relevant flier in the deck
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Legendary Creature — Bird
Flying
Spells your opponents cast that target one or more commanders you control cost more to cast.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
1/3
misty geyser
Keeps tymna alive better and has a cost that lets me curve 1 drop > esior > tymna & draw at least 1 very consistently
misty geyser
Revisiting my selesnya nontoken creature deck. There are a lot of options possible, including many different power levels
misty geyser
Browsing edhrec, I’m looking at the following options:
- Ellivere
- Lae’Zel//Master Chef
- Emiel the Blessed
- Gylwain, Casting Director
- Black Panther, Wakandan King
- Leinore, Autumn Sovereign
- Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist
- Torens, Fist of the Angels
- Gaddock Teeg
- Shalai, Voice of Plenty
- Trostani, Three Whispers
- Selvala, Eager Trailblazer
- Kellan, Daring Traveler
- Sidar Kondo of Jamuura/Green Partner
- Sidar Kondo of Jamuura/White Partner
- Far Traveler/Green CAB
- Noble Heritage/Green CAB
- Durnan/White BG
- Erinis/White BG
- Gilanra/White Partner
- Kamahl/White Partner
Ugh, so many possibilities
So, I want this to play like Maverick/Selesnya midrange. We can narrow our choices down by figuring out what we want that to play out like
Maverick and DnT played out over the years by playing cheap, effective hatebears and squeezing out over the top of opponents by running a lot of tutors for important effective equipment and removal pieces. Newer versions (on up until the death of DnT) ran a good flicker packages attached to bodies - [[flickerwisp]], [[restoration angel]], etc.
Common cards included Solitude, Stoneforge Mystic, flickerwisp, swords to plowshares, skyclave apparition
misty geyser
Flickerwisp was the chosen option as end step let us either protect our own creature or remove an opponent’s creature to crack in for extra damage, in addition to killing important tokens
hushed tapir
Flickerwisp was the chosen option as end step let us either protect our own crea...
if flickerwisp/resto angel are desired includes for you, emiel might not be a bad choice?
misty geyser
I was thinking about that, yeah.
Especially since ETBs were very important to the play of both Maverick and DnT
And now Selesnya Coco in pioneer
hushed tapir
Coco itself should probably be in the 99
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hushed tapir
ooh that's pretty good
misty geyser
Attack in, flicker creature, gain value
hushed tapir
would you want [[yisan wandering]]? for the maverick toolbox side of things?
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misty geyser
Emiel being repeatable and instant speed is good
hushed tapir
wrong
misty geyser
Hmmm, yeah that could be good.
hushed tapir
[[yisan wander]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Rogue Bard
, , Put a verse counter on Yisan, the Wanderer Bard: Search your library for a creature card with mana value equal to the number of verse counters on Yisan, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
2/3
misty geyser
I know GSZ was incredibly important
It can grab important staxy bears like Gaddock
My only thing with Yisan is that he doesn’t have a choice on what mv to get
hushed tapir
[[preston the van]] [[e witness]]
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Legendary Creature — Rabbit Wizard
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, if it wasn't cast, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's a 0/1 white Illusion.
, Sacrifice five Illusions: Exile target nonland permanent.
2/5
misty geyser
It’s going to go over 3 or 4 quickly
hushed tapir
My only thing with Yisan is that he doesn’t have a choice on what mv to get
this is true
you could always blink him to reset?
misty geyser
Oh true
hushed tapir
or do some counter moving shenanigans [[power conduit]]
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Artifact
, Remove a counter from a permanent you control: Choose one —
• Put a charge counter on target artifact.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
Never content, vedalken artificers continually tinker with their creations.
hushed tapir
I wonder if that gets too goofy though.
maybe. it is a lot of moving parts
I see the vision
misty geyser
Aether vial would be good since most of the cards I’d want to include sit at 2 and 3 mv
hushed tapir
ooh you should have the new mass reanimate thing from foundations
misty geyser
So, in commander, you have certain needs based on how you build the deck.
Raise the Past ?
hushed tapir
Raise the Past ?
yeah
misty geyser
So, in commander, you have certain needs based on how you build the deck.
By this I mean if the commander doesn’t draw cards, the deck needs to have a robust pile of draw engines
hushed tapir
I agree, and that makes sense
misty geyser
yeah
Yeah, there’s that, raise the ranks and ascent from avernus
Or, with Emiel, flickering a single creature multiple times leaves us only needing one of each important piece
hushed tapir
oh. hmm - I know you were thinking about a gw deck, but how would you feel about [[galadriel light]]?
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Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Alliance — Whenever another creature you control enters, choose one that hasn't been chosen this turn —
• Add .
• Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
• Scry 2, then draw a card.
3/3
sharp garden
Are you using like [[welcoming vampire]] effects for card draw then?
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misty geyser
Are you using like [[welcoming vampire]] effects for card draw then?
Yeah, most definitely
Yeah, I actually quite like Galadriel
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Okay, one issue I do see with galadriel
Removal package would need to be much bigger
Emiel wouldn’t need nearly as large/potent of one
hushed tapir
hmm sure
misty geyser
But her card draw and game ending power is very high
And I could probably put emiel in the 99 as a “flickerwisp”
hushed tapir
you also get [[displacer kitten]] with galadrield
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misty geyser
Nah, if I do galadriel I’m keeping it color cropped selesnya
hushed tapir
that's fair
misty geyser
I do like the novelty of color cropping though.
hushed tapir
oh - how do you feel about ub cards?
misty geyser
also mommy? Sorry. Mommy?
hushed tapir
[[samwise gamgee]] could be a VERY powerful recursion engine
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Sacrifice three Foods: Return target historic card from your graveyard to your hand. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
2/2
misty geyser
oh - how do you feel about ub cards?
I don’t care
hushed tapir
~~also mommy? Sorry. Mommy?~~
hey I mean. you're not WRONG
misty geyser
Yeah, samwise could be good, only issue there is I’d estimate only about half the cards would be historic
Let me see what I can’t get started with the obvious includes here
frail flare
I feel like you need to decide how much you care about counters vs stax vs auras.
Also my chat updated with a ton of things...
But not either [[yasharn]] or [[karametra, god]]
hushed tapir
karametra can be nasty in the right build, especially with how many utility lands there are these days
frail flare
Though she at least only finds those two types
hushed tapir
true
misty geyser
Those are great options for sure, and at the very least they’ll go in the 99
Yasharn is great card advantage
frail flare
Yasharn can be devastating as a commander
misty geyser
So here’s a thought - if I go with Galadriel, Rule of Law effects sound particularly bad
frail flare
Yeah
sharp garden
Galadriel is a filthy tree hugging elf though
For my benefit, what's a rule of law effect?
misty geyser
[[rule of law]]
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sharp garden
Yeah it would be more difficult to utilize her mana gain
misty geyser
Okay, one thing - I can run [[yorion]] in the 99 - that was a classic companion in legacy DnT
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Legendary Creature — Bird Serpent
Companion — Your starting deck contains at least twenty cards more than the minimum deck size. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Flying
When Yorion enters, exile any number of other nonland permanents you own and control. Return those cards to the battlefield at the beginning of the next end step.
4/5
misty geyser
Alright here’s what i got so far
I’m noticing I’m lacking board wipes and creature removal
I’m thinking that’s where I’m gonna have to get more commander-y
Thinking stuff like [[apex altisaur]], [[bane of progress]], and..?
hushed tapir
[[chord of calling]], [[drumbellower]] [[austere command]] [[celestial judgement]]
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Instant
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Search your library for a creature card with mana value X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
misty geyser
Ooh chord
hushed tapir
Thinking stuff like [[apex altisaur]], [[bane of progress]], and..?
[[coercive portal]] [[damning verdict]] [[dauntless dismantler]] [[elspeth suns champion]] [[dusk // dawn]]
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Creature — Human Artificer
Artifacts your opponents control enter tapped.
, Sacrifice Dauntless Dismantler: Destroy each artifact with mana value X.
To their dismay, Brazen Coalition explorers soon found that the Oltec were not impressed by cannons.
1/4
Sorcery
Destroy all creatures with power 3 or greater.
Dawn
Sorcery
Aftermath (Cast this spell only from your graveyard. Then exile it.)
Return all creature cards with power 2 or less from your graveyard to your hand.
misty geyser
Oh! Damning verdict!
How could I forget
I’m hesitant to do the ones that care about p/t
Forces me to be less flexible on when I go to buff my stuff
Oh, eternal wanderer
Anything more on creatures I can use?
hushed tapir
[[karns sylex]]
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Legendary Artifact
Karn's Sylex enters tapped.
Players can't pay life to cast spells or to activate abilities that aren't mana abilities.
, , Exile Karn's Sylex: Destroy each nonland permanent with mana value X or less. Activate only as a sorcery.
hushed tapir
Anything more on creatures I can use?
[[cataclysmic gearhulk]]
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misty geyser
Hmm
hushed tapir
Hmm
here's all the options https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Asweeper+ci%3Agw+game%3Apaper+f%3Dcommander+t%3Acreature&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
sharp garden
Not removal, but do you like [[teleportation circle]] and/or [[conjurer's closet]]
misty geyser
Yeah those can be useful
I’ll do circle for now
How about some draw engines?
[[tocasia’s welcome]]
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Legendary Artifact
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
: Add . You gain 2 life.
Whenever a nontoken creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on it and draw a card.
hushed tapir
[[beast whisperer]] [[elven chorus]] [[eladamri | mh3]] [[enduring innocence]]
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Enchantment
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.
Creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
"A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath!"
Legendary Creature — Elf Warrior
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.
, , Tap two untapped creatures you control: Reveal a card from your hand or the top card of your library. If you reveal a creature card this way, put it onto the battlefield. Activate only during your turn.
3/3
hushed tapir
[[angelic sleuth]] [[aerial extortionist]] [[archivist of oghma]] [[tireless tracker]] [[glorious sunrise]] [[gluntch, the bestow]]
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Creature — Angel Advisor
Flying
Whenever another permanent you control leaves the battlefield, if it had counters on it, investigate. (Create a colorless Clue artifact token with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Some crime scenes' secrets can only be discerned from an angel's-eye view.
2/3
Creature — Human Scout
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Whenever you sacrifice a Clue, put a +1/+1 counter on Tireless Tracker.
3/2
Enchantment
At the beginning of combat on your turn, choose one —
• Creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain trample until end of turn.
• Target land gains ": Add " until end of turn.
• Draw a card if you control a creature with power 3 or greater.
• You gain 3 life.
hushed tapir
[[kutzil, malamet]] [[leinore, autumn]] [[palantir of ]] [[runic arm]] [[tribute to the world]]
hushed tapir
sorry I know that's a lot of bot commands
hushed tapir
are you doing 50 creature/50 noncreatures?
misty geyser
I feel like I need a few more repeatable flicker effects
misty geyser
are you doing 50 creature/50 noncreatures?
Not specifically
Though the deck does have nearly 50 creatures in it lol
[[charming prince]]
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hushed tapir
I feel like I need a few more repeatable flicker effects
[[another round]] [[cosmic intervention]] [[golden argosy]] [[gilraen dunedain]]?
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Instant
If a permanent you control would be put into a graveyard from the battlefield this turn, exile it instead. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
Legendary Creature — Human Noble
, : Exile another target creature you control. You may return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control. If you don't, at the beginning of the next end step, return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control with a vigilance counter and a lifelink counter on it.
"Ónen i-Estel Edain, ú-chebin estel anim."
2/3
misty geyser
Oh, I like Gilraen
I forgot about her
Okay, nonlands are done. @frail flare this deck feels very complex to me, do the ratios on things look right to you? I’ve tagged the deck up to know how much of each important piece I have
You’re good with really complex decks
(And you sov but you’re probably already here)
hushed tapir
oh - [[minas tirith]]
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Legendary Land
Minas Tirith enters tapped unless you control a legendary creature.
: Add .
, : Draw a card. Activate only if you attacked with two or more creatures this turn.
"I would see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and Minas Tirith in peace." —Faramir
frail flare
The curve reminds me of a maldhound roast the other day
"Why does it look like a set of broken pan pipes"
misty geyser
Yeah, most of the relevant creatures (for flavor to the deck or just in general value) are at the 3mv mark
frail flare
You're missing my favorite flicker creature from the last few years
misty geyser
Fortunately, though, it curves out really well
frail flare
[[Fortune|otj]]
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misty geyser
You're missing my favorite flicker creature from the last few years
I’m woefully stupid when it comes to flicker so please hit me
misty geyser
It has to survive combat, which kinda stinks
No evasion
I definitely see the vision
hushed tapir
I'm not seeing a ton of ways to trigger the apex altisaur?
frail flare
Knight errant is good but not a good flicker target
misty geyser
I'm not seeing a ton of ways to trigger the apex altisaur?
Vision there being flickering it to reset p/t and refight
misty geyser
Knight errant is good but not a good flicker target
Oh right duh
Have a replacement?
hushed tapir
Vision there being flickering it to reset p/t and refight
sure, I see the logic. not sure how reliable it'll be but it might be worth trying out
misty geyser
Like I said I’m woefully dumb on flicker so I wouldn’t be surprised if it don’t work
hushed tapir
no worries!
hushed tapir
Have a replacement?
straight up [[collected company]]?
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hushed tapir
OR - combo with [[temur sabertooth]] to blink and reconvoke the knight-errant
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Creature — Cat
: You may return another creature you control to its owner's hand. If you do, Temur Sabertooth gains indestructible until end of turn.
The Temur see themselves as a pack, their bonds more primal than the Abzan's.
4/3
frail flare
Trying to remember if this the right one [[Invasion of ikoria]]
misty geyser
Invasion real good too
misty geyser
OR - combo with [[temur sabertooth]] to blink and reconvoke the knight-errant
Temur sounds good in general
hushed tapir
OH Umaru - you're gonna want [[dazzling theater]]
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Enchantment — Room
Creature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a creature spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Prop Room
Enchantment — Room
Untap each creature you control during each other player's untap step.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
misty geyser
Maybe kinda mana hungry
hushed tapir
card's fucking cracked in a near 50% creature density deck
misty geyser
Ahhhhhh what to replace
hushed tapir
Ahhhhhh what to replace
i'm gonna recommend topiary stomper
misty geyser
Really, huh