Umaru’s Decklist Thread

[lethal river]

Read also: Heinous

[misty geyser]

Pshhhh

It’s fiiiine

[lethal river]

Im still mentally scarred from someone playing nekusar with all the fast mana and all the wheels into our mid to high-ish power decks.

Lets just say that nekusar is now a KOS target for me. Dont care what you've made, dont care what the plan is, nekusar dies coz I might just get wheeled to death.

[clear needle]

thanks umaru i greatly appreciate your suggestions

https://tenor.com/view/lol-anime-lol-shock-anime-shock-what-gif-24361978

have another umaru

this is just an excuse for me to post umarus

[misty geyser]

That’s fair haha, I do like them

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-food-eat-eating-happy-gif-12353054

[misty geyser]

@molten geode @frail flare do you guys have any ideas for updating the removal package in the deck? I’m considering sacrificing the flexibility and removing all the 3 cmc removal spells that aren’t board wipes of some kind

[molten geode]

hi im pell

which deck

[frail flare]

Same question

[misty geyser]

Oh, my bad, tymna/malcolm

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UrqV5Qqp4kOG7H84CP7ijQ

[molten geode]

you are missing a very key removal spell

[[Get Lost]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/14/get-lost

Get Lost <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target creature, enchantment, or planeswalker. Its controller creates two Map tokens. (They're artifacts with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: Target creature you control explores. Activate only as a sorcery.")

[molten geode]

this card's fantastic

i also dont particularly care for arcane denial

[misty geyser]

That’s fair, but I’m mostly looking for replacements for the three mana stuff rn

I’m thinking get lost might be good for replacing generous gift

[frail flare]

I was about to say that

There aren't that many 3 mana non-board wipe/protection spells othewise

[misty geyser]

If so, we can move down to 2 mana as well

I do need to find a spot for Strix Serenade

[frail flare]

How focused on the initiative are you? Or is it mainly to give tymna protection from everything?

[misty geyser]

Dungeoneer gives either itself or tymna protection from creatures, so it’s been very effective

And the exploring every turn makes tymna bigger too, making her lifelink more effective and killing quicker

I’m not terribly focused on the initiative I just liked including it because it’s obscene value that if I can’t keep, I can at least always get it back

Same with monarch, when i had that package

[frail flare]

Yeah

I don't love [[beckoning will o wisp]] though I understand it's symmetrical so all attackers do more damage

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/10/beckoning-will-o-wisp

Beckoning Will-o'-Wisp <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Spirit
Flying
Lure the Unwary — At the beginning of combat on your turn, choose an opponent.
Creatures attacking the last chosen player get +1/+0.
Follow the light at your own risk.
1/3

[frail flare]

I'm trying to figure out the best way of explaining it that's not just vibes though

[misty geyser]

It replaced [[drana liberator]], thoughts on that replacement? My logic was it basically did the same thing but happened immediately rather than having to wait until drana can attack

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/193/drana-liberator-of-malakir

Drana, Liberator of Malakir <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Ally
Flying, first strike
Whenever Drana, Liberator of Malakir deals combat damage to a player, put a +1/+1 counter on each attacking creature you control.
"I will not live as a slave. If you would be free, then fight alongside me."
2/3

[misty geyser]

Though an additional +1/+1 every attack is huge… hm

Drana was just hard to actually land in a relevant way

[frail flare]

Yeah

She usually is

There's a ccard in my mind and I'm trying to get it back

[misty geyser]

I’m all ears, frankly I’m thinking of ways to put more anthems in so i can end the game faster, that’s always been this deck’s biggest struggle

[molten geode]

oh right, there's that new card from uhh

asscreed

[[Evade Detection]]

[grand hinge]

No card found for “Evade Detection”

[molten geode]

or whatever it's called

[misty geyser]

[[avoid detection]]?

[grand hinge]

No card found for “avoid detection”

[molten geode]

i cant think of the name sec

[[Escape Detection]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/18/escape-detection

Escape Detection <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Freerunning—Return a blue creature you control to its owner's hand. (You may cast this spell for its freerunning cost if you dealt combat damage to a player this turn with an Assassin or commander.)
Return target creature to its owner's hand.
Draw a card.

[molten geode]

this

[misty geyser]

Oh, yeah

[molten geode]

this card is very very good

while it doesnt go down on 3cmc removal, it's 0cmc removal sometimes and 3cmc removal other times

[misty geyser]

Hmm

That would require either tymna or Malcolm to get through

[molten geode]

what's your blue creature count like

[misty geyser]

Which, admittedly, had been getting easier

[tired wind]

Actually its better then that, its a really good protection tool too, you can bounce 2 of your things for free

[frail flare]

OH, I had a question about a thunder junction card that I'd wondered if you'd seen for this list.

[misty geyser]

That is a neat thing

[misty geyser]

I didn’t really check up on otj for this list but I’m down for ideas

[frail flare]

[[aven interrupter]] it's not a suggestion for the wisp/drana replacement

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/4/aven-interrupter

Aven Interrupter <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Bird Rogue
Flash
Flying
When Aven Interrupter enters the battlefield, exile target spell. It becomes plotted. (Its owner may cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost.)
Spells your opponents cast from graveyards or from exile cost more to cast.
2/2

[frail flare]

But it's a flyer with interaction stapled on

[misty geyser]

Right, it’s made its way into a few of my decks

Namely EnG and Olivia

Flash fliers are typically better in this deck

Since I can just draw, sit back and hold up tons of different removal options

While still keeping the pressure on

As always it’s down to the infamous “what do i cut” question

[frail flare]

[[dovin's veto]] it is a card that has been stuck in my hand over and over when I needed something else.

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/193/dovins-veto

Dovin's Veto <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
This spell can't be countered.
Counter target noncreature spell.
"I see you've learned nothing, Chandra. You'd still put a match to something rather than understand it."

[frail flare]

And the interrupter deals with uncounterable spells on the stack as well.

[misty geyser]

That’s true..

But when it’s useful, it’s really useful

I suppose you’re right though

[frail flare]

I could just be really unlucky!

Remember, my meta is weird. But it feels like even the cEDH decks I go against are the "creature heavy" ones

[hushed tapir]

I’ve fallen out of favor with Beast Within/Generous Gift/Chaos Warp

Three mana just doesn’t feel great/worth it

[misty geyser]

Yeah, I’m the same way

I also cut Anguished Unmaking

[hushed tapir]

Hm I’m not quite there yet but I do need to swap Utter End with that new card from MH3 in my Dakkon deck

[[Abstruse Appropriation]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/177/abstruse-appropriation

Abstruse Appropriation <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Exile target nonland permanent. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled, and you may spend colorless mana as though it were mana of any color to cast that spell.
"Kozilek experiences reality on his own terms." —Ayli, high priest of the Eternal Pilgrims

[frail flare]

I've been making that swap too

[hushed tapir]

Which is a shame bc I have the fancy promo of Utter End, but, cest la vie

Like this is gorgeous in paper but I could always just get the borderless Appropriation too

Half a dozen one/twelves of the other

[clear needle]

umaru is ms bumbleflower good

[misty geyser]

Who?

[dense wadi]

Face commander for Bloomburrow group hug deck

[[bumbleflower]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/103/ms-bumbleflower

Ms. Bumbleflower <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Citizen
Vigilance
Whenever you cast a spell, target opponent draws a card. Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. It gains flying until end of turn. If this is the second time this ability has resolved this turn, you draw two cards.
1/5

[misty geyser]

Oh, yeah she’s cool

Makes your beaters evasive and can draw you cards

[clear needle]

I’ve never played group hug would she be a good starting point

[hasty portal]

Probably. That is hoow she's supposed to function.

[molten geode]

I've always suggested kami as "my first grouphug" deck but she's not too bad for that either

[[kami of the crescent moon]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/voc/107/kami-of-the-crescent-moon

Kami of the Crescent Moon <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Spirit
At the beginning of each player's draw step, that player draws an additional card.
"He's a lot like me, that masterless little kami . . . unimpressed by grandeur and never at a loss for a trick." —Toshiro Umezawa
1/3

[molten geode]

Easy and cheap to build due to being monocolor, has good win conditions, and gets to benefit from cards like [[mausoleum wanderer]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/emn/69/mausoleum-wanderer

Mausoleum Wanderer <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Spirit
Flying
Whenever another Spirit enters the battlefield under your control, Mausoleum Wanderer gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
Sacrifice Mausoleum Wanderer: Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller pays , where X is Mausoleum Wanderer's power.
1/1

[molten geode]

whoops this is umaru thread sorry umaru

[misty geyser]

I don’t mind!

[clear needle]

i do like blue sorry for derailing your thread @misty geyser

[misty geyser]

I don't care

[hushed tapir]

So it's not pdh, but I got inspired by your choice of commanders and threw together my own list - could use a hand finding the last five cuts https://www.moxfield.com/decks/AZ5qu6ew00OL3xTPtI1BcQ

[misty geyser]

Is it proper commander or pauper commander

I have answered my own question

[hushed tapir]

lol

[misty geyser]

Hammers of Morodin is pretty sweet

[hushed tapir]

I will admit I sort of just trawled edhrec for recommendations, but the whole myriad/melee gameplan seems like a blast

yeah!!! hammers is sick

man baldurs gate is an underrated gem lmao I swear every time I'm looking for cards I find a handful I didn't even know existed

[misty geyser]

[[skyhunter strike force]] is a banger here

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/plst/ONC-21/skyhunter-strike-force

Skyhunter Strike Force <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat Knight
Flying
Melee (Whenever this creature attacks, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each opponent you attacked this combat.)
Lieutenant — As long as you control your commander, other creatures you control have melee.
2/2

[misty geyser]

Kinda surprised [[rose room treasurer]] isn’t here

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/51/rose-room-treasurer

Rose Room Treasurer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Ogre Warrior
Alliance — Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, create a Treasure token if this is the first or second time this ability has resolved this turn. Otherwise, you may pay . When you do, Rose Room Treasurer deals X damage to any target.
4/3

[hushed tapir]

Mm fair - it does create a double lotus petal every turn. Not really sure why I skipped over it - if I can make six cuts to the list I'll add it in as the 100th card

[misty geyser]

@hushed tapir i went ahead and got it into moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/LslLDLY1eEGCjBLhHWxpHw

[hushed tapir]

hell yeah

[misty geyser]

Lemme know how i can improve it- i think I need more repeatable anthems

Apparently I need to replace [[loxodon partisan]] with [[rhox veteran]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddo/17/loxodon-partisan

Loxodon Partisan <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Elephant Soldier
Battle cry (Whenever this creature attacks, each other attacking creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.)
"On every plane I've encountered loxodons, I've found stalwart and loyal friends." —Elspeth
3/4

[misty geyser]

[[rhox veteran]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/24/rhox-veteran

Rhox Veteran <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Rhino Soldier
Battle cry (Whenever this creature attacks, each other attacking creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.)
Whenever Rhox Veteran attacks, tap target creature an opponent controls.
"Battle is all about where you stand. Never stand in my way."
2/4

[hushed tapir]

oh damn there you go

[misty geyser]

Ooh - [[warded battlements]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/44/warded-battlements

Warded Battlements <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Wall
Defender (This creature can't attack.)
Attacking creatures you control get +1/+0.
In dire times, even a place of refuge can become a weapon of war.
0/3

[misty geyser]

@hushed tapir https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

How’s this? I tried to do a bit of aikido and other ways to make the value I give people backfire, but group hug is something I typically very much shy away from

Tbh I’m accepting any criticism/vision change whatsoever

I do want more removal so cuts for adds would be good to shout

More one sided board wipes etc

[hushed tapir]

Oho! Gotcha gotcha

I’m headed to a coffee shop across the street in a few minutes, I’ll take a look once I’m there

[misty geyser]

Sick, thanks homie

@frail flare you might like this deck too, being one of the resident blue players

[frail flare]

Looking through it now!

I keep wanting to suggest something that's just probably winmore, like something that proliferates

I see what you mean re:interaction though

[[constable of the realm]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/179/constable-of-the-realm

Constable of the Realm <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Giant Soldier
Renown 2 (When this creature deals combat damage to a player, if it isn't renowned, put two +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes renowned.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Constable of the Realm, exile up to one other target nonland permanent until Constable of the Realm leaves the battlefield.
3/3

[misty geyser]

Oh wow

I feel like that’s gonna be a 5 mana do mothing because it’s going to eat removal I M M E D I A T E L Y

[misty geyser]

Removal in general would be good, but stuff that kinda sidesteps the stupid stuff my opponents would inevitably be doing would also be very good. Comeuppance was a card I had in mind for instance.

Ezuri’s predation and wandering archaic are other great examples

Oh! [[cosmic intervention]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/khc/3/cosmic-intervention

Cosmic Intervention <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
If a permanent you control would be put into a graveyard from the battlefield this turn, exile it instead. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)

[misty geyser]

Or maybe just [[eerie interlude]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/khc/22/eerie-interlude

Eerie Interlude <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Exile any number of target creatures you control. Return those cards to the battlefield under their owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
The barrier between existence and oblivion is thinner than you know.

[misty geyser]

But I don’t really think flicker would be good

[hushed tapir]

Is Nezehal just there as a....well honestly I'm not sure I see why Nezehal is there aside from like. Is big. Big creatures win games?

I'm generally not a fan of Austere Command? Idk especially for a counters-focused deck like this, I'd prefer something like [[bane of progress]], [[celestial judgement]] (since you can really control what powers your creatures have), [[damning verdict]], [[filter out]]...

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cc1/3/bane-of-progress

Bane of Progress <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental
When Bane of Progress enters the battlefield, destroy all artifacts and enchantments. Put a +1/+1 counter on Bane of Progress for each permanent destroyed this way.
Urza's forces tore across Argoth, and Argoth responded in kind.
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/mic/5/celestial-judgment

Celestial Judgment <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
For each different power among creatures on the battlefield, choose a creature with that power. Destroy each creature not chosen this way.
"I was going to suggest silver, but a beam of pure angelic fury works even better." —Rem Karolus, Fiendslayer

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/15/damning-verdict

Damning Verdict <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures with no counters on them.
"Guilty as charged!"

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/7/filter-out

Filter Out <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return all noncreature, nonland permanents to their owners' hands.
The glistening oil had been rendered inert, but planes wouldn't begin to truly heal until every last drop was purged.

[misty geyser]

Beeg

And draw card

Celestial judgement is a good shout

[hushed tapir]

also the seasons from blb [[season of gathering]] [[season of weaving]] might make good modal boardwipes better than austere command

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/192/season-of-gathering

Season of Gathering <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Choose up to five worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
— Put a +1/+1 counter on a creature you control. It gains vigilance and trample until end of turn.
— Choose artifact or enchantment. Destroy all permanents of the chosen type.
— Draw cards equal to the greatest power among creatures you control.

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/68/season-of-weaving

Season of Weaving <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Choose up to five worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
— Draw a card.
— Choose an artifact or creature you control. Create a token that's a copy of it.
— Return each nonland, nontoken permanent to its owner's hand.

[hushed tapir]

also you're going to want [[cathedral acolyte]] (if you play with ub cards) or [[hierophant bio titan]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/75/cathedral-acolyte

Cathedral Acolyte <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Cleric
Each creature you control with a counter on it has ward . (Whenever it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature that entered the battlefield this turn.
"Master, evolve me to perfection!"
1/2

https://scryfall.com/card/40k/92/hierophant-bio-titan

Hierophant Bio-Titan <:mana10:292901508851302400><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Tyranid
Frenzied Metabolism — As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may remove any number of +1/+1 counters from among creatures you control. This spell costs less to cast for each counter removed this way.
Vigilance, reach, ward
Titanic — Hierophant Bio-Titan can't be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
12/12

[misty geyser]

Do I really need a big donkey like bio titan?

Acolyte is… honestly kinda meh

I could just run a protection spell instead

But maybe I’m just underrating it

[dense wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-banner-big-monster-thor-ragnarok-hulk-gif-11571578

[hushed tapir]

acolyte gives ward to everything you have

well all creatures with counters

[misty geyser]

Right, ward 1

[hushed tapir]

It's not nothing, and you'd be surprised about how often people tap out

although that could be meta dependant

[misty geyser]

It definitely happens

[frail flare]

I don't like bio titan

[[biophagus]] though I like

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/40k/87/biophagus

Biophagus <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Tyranid Wizard
Genomic Enhancement — : Add one mana of any color. If this mana is spent to cast a creature spell, that creature enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
"We guarantee you that within a week, you will feel like a new man." —Galaxos Klynesmith, biophagus
1/3

[hushed tapir]

I just recommended bio titan because big like nezehal

and cares more about counters

[misty geyser]

So uh, I’ll have to post what the decklist ended up being from me throwing what I had together

It’s kinda close, kinda not

But uh

Deck is gross

I feel like I’m missing out on some stuff since there definitely could be some more overlap in effects

But the deck plays like a hard control deck

[hushed tapir]

[[innkeeper's talent]] someone in another server just mentioned this and I thought of your deck

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/180/innkeepers-talent

Innkeeper's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.

[misty geyser]

Hmmmmm

7 mana is kinda rough

I do like the natural counters

[hushed tapir]

But it is over a period of turns

[frail flare]

Considering the reaction I've seen brought up about Ms. Bumbleflower's deck during testing being like it's strangling your opponents, that doesn't surprise me

[misty geyser]

Y’know what, that is an incredibly accurate way of describing it

[frail flare]

But also that it was the intention to do that.

[misty geyser]

Which is kinda what (good) group hug is about, so mission success I guess?

[frail flare]

Yeah, the intention was to try to teach people how to do a group hug that wins games

[misty geyser]

It’s like an anaconda, but like before you even know you’re being wrapped it’s too late

Another important thing is she herself does targeted group hug.

Oh, you slighted me first? Your opponents are now +6-10 cards on you for free

[frail flare]

Or, other reasons the Ms. Bumbleflower deck makes me think of Sweeney Todd.

[misty geyser]

I see what you mean now for sure

I uh… made the deck high powered

[frail flare]

I saw the part in Social Contracts

[misty geyser]

Yeah, I think I’m gonna take Nadu out, because predictably he was too good

I’ll have to update the online list so you can see where it’s at

[frail flare]

My husband had the same problem with Gruul Etali

I'm curious to see it!

[misty geyser]

Okay, but that one was at least obvious on its face that it was going to commit warcrimes

[frail flare]

Bumbleflower?

[misty geyser]

No, etali

You KNEW he was a problem

[frail flare]

Yeah

[misty geyser]

[[!ms bumbleflower]] you look at that face and tell me that she’s ready and willing to agent orange your opponents

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/3/ms-bumbleflower

Ms. Bumbleflower

[frail flare]

It's my brain's fault but yes.

[misty geyser]

Lol, I suppose we’ve all been taught by now

To someone who isn’t privvy to it, she’s innocent

But she will absolutely melt people

[frail flare]

It's also partially because Ellie of the Veil was announced as the lead of the deck.

[misty geyser]

?

[frail flare]

She did the Villains deck for Doctor Who.

And I've seen some of her personal deck lists.

[misty geyser]

Oh gotcha

[frail flare]

https://www.moxfield.com/users/ellieoftheveil

This is an example of a finished list (since I forgot incomplete ones were visible) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/9EDg58pjYUq-JILBtCrl0g

[misty geyser]

Ah so they definitely have experience in group “hug”

[frail flare]

Yeah

[lethal river]

Going to be taking inspiration from your ms bumble list

Just picked up a full art foil one

[misty geyser]

Hell yeah homie

I’m pretty sure that’s the only available version outside the raised foil

[lethal river]

It’s going to be fun 😈

I even have a spare Nadu

[misty geyser]

Well, I hate to burst your bubble

Nadu’s coming out

[hushed tapir]

because Nadu is a misery inducing card

[lethal river]

Nah Nadu stays in

[misty geyser]

He can for you!

[misty geyser]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

@lethal river @hushed tapir @frail flare @dense wadi

I think I’m missing one

That’s the current list, I do want to find a spot for Azusa and Trouble in Pairs

Wait, no… huh?

I still have nadu in somehow

One sec

[frail flare]

No [[psychic possession]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dis/30/psychic-possession

Psychic Possession <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant opponent
Skip your draw step.
Whenever enchanted opponent draws a card, you may draw a card.
"You will do the thinking for the both of us!"

[hushed tapir]

OOH that is spicy

[misty geyser]

I figured it out

[misty geyser]

That’s muy spicy

Also, I might find a spot for [[faerie mastermind]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/58/faerie-mastermind

Faerie Mastermind <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flash
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw a card.
: Each player draws a card.
Yuta Takahashi, World Champion XXVII
2/1

[misty geyser]

But yeah, my main idea was to take advantage of the draw I provide people

But past that it’s a control list that overwhelms with value until I can kill with a big creature

[dense wadi]

Very nice

[past mirage]

Evolution Witness is a powerhouse

[misty geyser]

It has allowed me to storm off on an opponent’s turn

That + heliod + bumbleflower

Then you have solitude

And just evoke it like three times a turn

sorry sleepy, I knew I forgot to mention someone lol

[past mirage]

Steelburr I'm not huge on. I think you should just jam a Hardened Scales and your stuff will naturally get huge anyway

Yeah np lol

[misty geyser]

That’s fair, notably the deck is very low on realistic threats

It also has vigilance which means I’m going to basically have 2 big blockers

[past mirage]

Ohhhh I love the Freestrider Lookout include btw, stealing that

[misty geyser]

Yeah, it has been excellent to include

Another nice thing about this deck: it runs enough instants that most people just assume bumbleflower has flying anyway, so your planeswalkers are very well defended

[past mirage]

[[Alchemist's Refuge]]
[[Emergence zone]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/318/alchemists-refuge

Alchemist's Refuge

Land
: Add .
, : You may cast spells this turn as though they had flash.
Persecuted alchemists fled deep into Kessig's wilds, seeking solitude to continue their ghoulish craft.

https://scryfall.com/card/war/245/emergence-zone

Emergence Zone

Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice Emergence Zone: You may cast spells this turn as though they had flash.
The Planar Bridge opened over the Chamber of the Guildpact, reducing the symbol of Ravnica's endurance to rubble.

[past mirage]

Do you think it's worth to run a couple utility lands?

[misty geyser]

I run rogue’s passage and reliquary tower

I’m not a fan of the flash lands myself but they could be useful

[misty geyser]

@dense wadi @pure estuary

Another huge pivot point I’ve noticed is when people go to kill your commander/wipe the board, having a way to protect your board is of utmost importance

[pure estuary]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/eP0whWBLDE2e6izHK2LtWA

Definitely running a more budget version than you are. I'd hard consider cutting Sev, heart of the wilds out of your list for a smothering tithe

[misty geyser]

I don’t like tithe/study. As good as they would be, I just never run them

Though I agree, kwain and sev can be replaced

[dense wadi]

Makes sense yeah, you’re in the best colors for it luckily

[pure estuary]

This is why in my list I got heroic intervention, dawn's truce, and ripples of potential. I'd definitely run Teferi's and Everyone Lives if I had them.

I might slot mutational advantage back in at some point

[misty geyser]

Yup, I think I run, like, 8 board protection spells

[pure estuary]

There's definitely a point between 4-6 that is optimal and running over that leaves you in weird positions where you'll have multiple protection spells in hand as the only options to interact on opponents turns.

[dense wadi]

Yeah I ain’t got no everybody lives or teferi protection either lol

[pure estuary]

Definitely pick up Dawn's Truce before people catch on to how good it is

[dense wadi]

That’s the new one yeah?

I do like it if so

[pure estuary]

Yeah, better than heroic intervention because it gives you hexproof as well

[dense wadi]

We’ll see if I get any in my Box when it shows up

[pure estuary]

Fingers crossed for ya

lol

[dense wadi]

I order online so I don’t get anything until wide release usually

[pure estuary]

I have 4 cards I got to wait for until next week >.>

That new birds of paradise be looking great

Starfall Invocation is a big one I need ASAP. Definitely an awesome board reset that I could combo with ripples/perch protection.

[dense wadi]

Curious what either of you think about [[beza]] for a strategy like this, since you’re giving away resources it feels to me like a card that can ensure no one really gets ahead of you with them

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/2/beza-the-bounding-spring

Beza, the Bounding Spring <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Elk
When Beza, the Bounding Spring enters, create a Treasure token if an opponent controls more lands than you. You gain 4 life if an opponent has more life than you. Create two 1/1 blue Fish creature tokens if an opponent controls more creatures than you. Draw a card if an opponent has more cards in hand than you.
4/5

[pure estuary]

Beza loves [[parting gust]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/24/parting-gust

Parting Gust <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Gift a tapped Fish (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they create a tapped 1/1 blue Fish creature token before its other effects.)
Exile target nontoken creature. If the gift wasn't promised, return that creature to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it at the beginning of the next end step.

[pure estuary]

My only problem with it for Bumbleflower is that a lot of the other pieces of the deck keep compounding value turn after turn, but Beza is essentially only when its cast or blinked which is a little low on the value gain.

Definitely works with the deck, but there's more powerful options IMO that give more recursive value.

[dense wadi]

That’s fair, I picked one up at the two headed prerelease and thought it was pretty neat so it’s on my mind

[pure estuary]

Definitely a cool card, all the calamity beasts are bangers from Bloomburrow

[dense wadi]

I’m definitely partial to them yeah

Ygra is basically at the top of my Bloomburrow list

[misty geyser]

I have had the problem of “too many board protection spells” before, but my thinking was it was better to have too many than not enough

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

What protection should I remove? I honestly think Everyone Lives! Can come out, since I want to be the only one left standing after a wipe

But it has saved my ass many times before

I’m also thinking of removing swan song, since giving my opponent a flier is close to an extra turn against my deck

[pure estuary]

You got ripples of potential by any chance?

[misty geyser]

I do

That would be a good one

[pure estuary]

Thought process here is you have a white protection and a green protection, but no blue.

I got a spicy pick for you though, [[Eluge, the shoreless sea]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/49/eluge-the-shoreless-sea

Eluge, the Shoreless Sea <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Fish
Eluge's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Islands you control.
Whenever Eluge enters or attacks, put a flood counter on target land. It's an Island in addition to its other types for as long as it has a flood counter on it.
The first instant or sorcery spell you cast each turn costs (or ) less to cast for each land you control with a flood counter on it.
*/*

[pure estuary]

This fish is amazing with bumbleflower

Ever wanted free counterspells?

[misty geyser]

I got counterspells

But also you’re right

[misty geyser]

Oof, but what do I remove for this? It’s also only reducing instants and sorceries so that’s a rough sell when I could just run something that lets me play more islands

[pure estuary]

It makes lands gain island as a type via flood counters.

Also does great things even first turn its out in your current list. An offer you cant refuse and swan song become free, your protection all will only cost 1 colored mana (except teferi's), and most your counterspells become 1 generic mana.

One attack trigger and all your counters are free (save fierce guardianship without bumbleflower).

I initially put it in to combo off of Heliod Radiant Dawn to get Approach of the Second Sun to be as cheap as possible and to enable me to cast it on opponents turns.

It reads to me as "play and attack once with the fish, your instants and sorceries become essentially free and your bunny becomes a machine gun"

[misty geyser]

Hmm

That’s true

[pure estuary]

I'm of the mind that even when I'm trying to save my creatures via protection, I still want to maximize bumbleflower to get the 2 cards drawn else you start losing card advantage.

[misty geyser]

I have noticed that part, I run a few free spells and am considering also adding subtlety

It’s another flying attacker AND blocker when I need it and allows me to counter something scary while trigger bumbleflower

So what do I take out for the fish? Selvala maybe?

[pure estuary]

That's my pick, but honestly there's a lot of flexibility in your list. If you really like the mana bomb from Sev, you could try running the list without one of the protection spells and still see good success. Maybe one of the planeswalkers isnt pulling their weight? I have no idea since I've moved to an adjacent strategy.

I usually snipe the last player standing with commander damage after bouncing/removing whatever flying blockers they have

[misty geyser]

I haven’t tested this exact list quite yet, but the majority of it has been good

Kwain and Sev are the two I’ve been eyeing for a while now

[pure estuary]

Kwain loves smuggler's share

And since you arent running it, its kind of "meh"

[misty geyser]

Smuggler’s share was another one

My deck wants to run a ton of effects that benefit from my opponents drawing cards

[pure estuary]

Smuggler's is my poor man's tithe xD

I kept rites of flourishing just so I can have both halfs trigger

[misty geyser]

I’ve got monologue tax too, it’s worked very well

[pure estuary]

Yeah, similar vibes, but it doesnt 1 to 1 synergize with kwain

😦

Hence why kwain probably feels out of place

That's been a part of the challenge to me. I want to keep some hug aspects without devolving into full control or +1/1s.

[misty geyser]

I took kwain out and put share in, I just really don’t like hug effects that I can’t control

Draw a ton of cards, ramp a ton and overwhelm

That’s kinda my game plan rn lol

[pure estuary]

Gluntch is awesome for distorting games if you ever want to toss him in lol

[dense wadi]

I love Gluntch, if I do build Bumbleflower they’ll be there

[lethal river]

Im building bumbleflower heavily based on umaru's list for this friday

[misty geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-we-have-been-waiting-for-gif-18965749

That is heavily based

[lethal river]

Heavily based there is code for, im ripping your list and putting the good cards that you took out, back in.

[misty geyser]

Which is fair

Tithe, study, nadu etc

[lethal river]

yeee

[misty geyser]

Feesh

[lethal river]

I want people to get their cards and I benefit too ya kno

tithe seems very good for that

[misty geyser]

Lemme know how it goes! I’d be glad to hear about it

Yeah, that’s what my main idea was for the deck

[past mirage]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8612729/ms_b_stirs_the_pot
Just finished the version that I'm going to start playtesting, let's ride the Ms. B revolution fellas 🐇

[misty geyser]

It’s time to make the Geneva convention into a Geneva Checklist

[misty geyser]

@tired wind figured you would appreciate this collection deck I made today:

[tired wind]

I do, looks like a pretty neat Tymna deck

[lethal river]

The way thats laid out is confusing to me

but it does look fun

[misty geyser]

It’s a [[breena demagogue]] deck

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/217/breena-the-demagogue

Breena, the Demagogue <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Bird Warlock
Flying
Whenever a player attacks one of your opponents, if that opponent has more life than another of your opponents, that attacking player draws a card and you put two +1/+1 counters on a creature you control.
1/3

[misty geyser]

Tymna’s in the 99

[misty geyser]

Left to right is the function: removal, ramp, card draw, game enders, protection

Top to bottom is (loosely) card type: lands, creatures, noncreatures

[tired wind]

Fair enough, the creature layout works pefectly well for both

Looks like a fun kinda aggro list

[misty geyser]

Yeah im interested to test it

I want to build bat typal, but the bats just still don’t have enough support unfortunately

[tired wind]

Yeah i feel similar about mice

[misty geyser]

They got kinda hosed too

[tired wind]

Lets just hope this means they are gonna trickle us some mice and bats in the future

[misty geyser]

We did get some gas with Ixalan via aclazotz

But not much past that

[dense wadi]

I think they will, both got introduced before Bloomburrow and they knew this set was coming out

Just a question of when

[tired wind]

Aclazotz is very good yeah

[misty geyser]

It just feels like they’ve largely relegated bats to the common and uncommon slots

Due to most being draft chaff

[dense wadi]

Yeah before they were basically accessories for vampires

[misty geyser]

Bats need to form a union fr

[lethal river]

So the ms bumble list is coming together now, ive got most of the nonlands in their inner sleeves in a pile. Just need 6 more cards.

I swapped out your Tef (BRO) for a T3f, and a lot of my creatures are diff.

But they do similar stuff.

[lethal river]

I’ve also included a few generic hug cards so I can hide under the guise of being hug while actually leeching off people.

[misty geyser]

3feri is a good option, I just liked the ability to create beaters and draw extra cards, all while hurtling himself towards ultimate range to effectively knock a single player completely out of the game

Got a list so far?

[lethal river]

Not digital, but ill slap it together this evening, the cards are all in a pile in my desk at home.

How good is Pollywog for you so far? Coz the card is like £10-15 or like $20ish?

I dunno if I wanna pay that much for what it does, I might wait a bit for the price to come down a bit, unless you think its that good.

[misty geyser]

It’s insanely good, you pump it up once or twice and it’s basically strictly better fish

And all it take is to cast it and cast two more spells with bumbleflower out

[lethal river]

Hmmm, ill give it some more thought today and tomorrow then.

coz better fish in a creature without any kind of upkeep cost sounds strong and like people will ignore it and the value its incurring

[misty geyser]

Think of it as a 2 mana nezahal that can’t protect itself and requires a little bit of work to function the same

But at 2 mana that’s a downside I’m 100% taking

[lethal river]

thats pretty nuts tbh

Coz nezahal (when you can play it and keep it around) is wild.

[misty geyser]

Yeah. That’s why I also run Nezahal

[lethal river]

Im alsorunning it because of your list. its been a long time since ive played it.

Felt it was time for nezahal to leave the playable cards box

[misty geyser]

He really just kinda wins you games

Like… people have to run enough removal to get you empty handed and THEN have another one to kill it

All the while you’re drawing off those kill spells

I’ve been tempted to make nezahal a commander but i feel like he’d be too oppressive/annoying

High power though…

[lethal river]

I havent played nezahal in ages

so i literally dont know how thats gonna go

[misty geyser]

It’ll go great I assure you

[[nezahal]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/401/nezahal-primal-tide

Nezahal, Primal Tide <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elder Dinosaur
This spell can't be countered.
You have no maximum hand size.
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, draw a card.
Discard three cards: Exile Nezahal, Primal Tide. Return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
7/7

[lethal river]

the largest creature ive cast lately is a probably butcher of malakir which is in a forced sac deck.

[misty geyser]

He can’t even be countered so you know he’s resolving

He is fully protected like every second he’s in the game

[lethal river]

Man i forgot how good that card actually is

[misty geyser]

Yeah dude lol, he’s nutso

[lethal river]

its next end step too

so you can even exile and boardwipe

[misty geyser]

He may not win you the game right as soon as he resolves but he puts you at such an advantage that you’re winning soon

[frail flare]

[[$nezahal]] is annoyingly one of the two elder dinosaurs that isn't just in the precons.

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/401/nezahal-primal-tide

Prices for Nezahal, Primal Tide

The List

$6.85

Secret Lair Drop

$18.18

Commander Legends

$5.65 • €5.14 • 0.07 TIX

Rivals of Ixalan Promos

$6.34 • €4.58

Rivals of Ixalan Promos

$16.22 • €7.16

Rivals of Ixalan

$4.80 • €4.98 • 0.02 TIX

[misty geyser]

It’s like a consecrated sphinx that protects itself

Yeah, that is another thing. Wish we were back to the days where he was a $0.30 card

[lethal river]

Im trying to force myself away from the mentality of "7+ mana spells need t owin games"

[frail flare]

Nezahal sort of does.

[misty geyser]

GOOD

[lethal river]

I cant believe thats a $5 card, like, what

[misty geyser]

I hate that mentality

Not everything has to be expropriate

And I’ll tell you what, Bumbleflower needs a really high card velocity to stay churning

So one card “draw a shit ton” cards are really effective

[frail flare]

I always liked [[Tetzimoc, Primal Death]] (the other one that doesn't get reprinted)

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/rix/86/tetzimoc-primal-death

Tetzimoc, Primal Death <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Elder Dinosaur
Deathtouch
, Reveal Tetzimoc, Primal Death from your hand: Put a prey counter on target creature. Activate only during your turn.
When Tetzimoc enters, destroy each creature your opponents control with a prey counter on it.
6/6

[lethal river]

Oh i chucked a [[forced fruition]] in my considering pile for ms. B

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/66/forced-fruition

Forced Fruition <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards.
"Petals within petals within petals, tadpole. The truth lurks below an opulence of illusion." —Neerdiv, fallowsage

[lethal river]

not sure if I want to actually use it or not though

Coz I might just lose the game on resolution

[frail flare]

Didn't Umaru's list have one of those? Or am I remembering a different bumbleflower deck?

[lethal river]

I might have before but it doesnt now.

[misty geyser]

Now THAT’S trolling

[misty geyser]

Different

Only place I’d play that card is something like Nekusar

[lethal river]

Or general wheels decks i guess

[misty geyser]

Maaaybe, most benefit from you also wheeling though

[lethal river]

I’m thinking of including tamiyo from WAR in Ms.B as well because I’ve got a few discard players at my lgs including one tergrid player

Seems like a nice passive to have while also being able to recycle cards

[frail flare]

@misty geyser is your Coram list still accurate on Moxfield?

[misty geyser]

Uhhhhhhh

Lemme look

[frail flare]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/sST7JLRqRkqda6ovPZts2g

[misty geyser]

I want to say “pretty much”

I’ll update it tonight to be sure but if you have ideas for cuts lemme know

[frail flare]

You have 2 creatures that are equal to the number of creatures in your graveyard. Mortivore doesn't help fill your yard, so I could see it. I could also see swapping Lumra in for Cultivator Colossus if you're looking for similar cmc and abilities

Especially since you have Six you might be retracing the creatures instead of keeping the lands in your hand.

[lethal river]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Y08hnsGhakm5pT0pp4IiuA

Sideboard is cards i dont have yet but will get

[misty geyser]

That is true, moritvore has just been alright so far

[misty geyser]

Talismans? In this green economy?

More likely than you think

[lethal river]

Yeah im not so sure about those

I just had them in a pile

[misty geyser]

Tbh, I’d rather run rampant growth

But that’s just me

[frail flare]

or [[arboreal grazer]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/131/arboreal-grazer

Arboreal Grazer <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Sloth Beast
Reach
When Arboreal Grazer enters, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
"We fight to stop a tyrant, but we also fight for the gentle creatures who have no concept of what befalls their world." —Vivien Reid
0/3

[lethal river]

Im thinking of replacing them with creatures

and that was going to be one of them

llanowar was the other

[misty geyser]

I do like the linvala jnclude

If you have one, flawless maneuver would be better than linvala

But I do respect the drip

[lethal river]

I noly own one copy

only*

and its in Hylda atm

[misty geyser]

Rip

[lethal river]

I am too lazy to proxy another or move it between decks

might buy a second copy tho

Ok ive decided

-2 talisman

+arboreal grazer
+sakashima the imposter

[misty geyser]

Ooh. I do like Sakashima

My only issue is I don’t want tot hand out too many cards

[misty geyser]

Why sunfall vs. [[damning verdict]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/15/damning-verdict

Damning Verdict <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures with no counters on them.
"Guilty as charged!"

[past mirage]

Hmm I dont like damning verdict. There are scenarios where you would put counters on your opponents stuff. Esp if you're running Generous Patron.

Tragic arrogance is the most baller board wipe

[misty geyser]

I do run that one

Oh no I’m not!!

Shit

Will change that now

[past mirage]

Patron?

[misty geyser]

Tragic arrogance

[past mirage]

Ahh yeah

[misty geyser]

It’s my favorite wipe by far

Next to decree of pain

[past mirage]

It's so good

Oh today I made a Ms. B thread to compile decklists and strategies if you're interested. Mainly to have a hub to post game reports and theorycraft

[lethal river]

I dont own one.

Otherwise id run [[silkguard]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/29/silkguard

Silkguard <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to X target creatures you control.
Auras, Equipment, and modified creatures you control gain hexproof until end of turn. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)

[lethal river]

but decided on more board wipes i dunno tbh

[misty geyser]

Ah fair

[frail flare]

Don't forget [[ripples of potential]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/77/ripples-of-potential

Ripples of Potential <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Proliferate, then choose any number of permanents you control that had a counter put on them this way. Those permanents phase out. (To proliferate, choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there. Treat phased-out permanents and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until their controller's next turn.)

[past mirage]

Ohhhhh that's good

[lethal river]

This is massive

[past mirage]

[[illusionist's gambit]]
Upon first glance I thought this card was good, I thought it worked exactly like [[Take the bait]]... but alas

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c13/47/illusionists-gambit

Illusionist's Gambit <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Cast this spell only during the declare blockers step on an opponent's turn.
Remove all attacking creatures from combat and untap them. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase. Each of those creatures attacks that combat if able. They can't attack you or planeswalkers you control that combat.

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/43/take-the-bait

Take the Bait <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Cast this spell only during an opponent's turn and only during combat.
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to you and planeswalkers you control this turn. Untap all attacking creatures and goad them. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase.

[past mirage]

Oh wait... it does doesnt it

LETS GO

[frail flare]

They're close.

Take the bait can be cast after first strike damage if your creatures have it.

[past mirage]

It was messing with me for some reason I thought you could only save an opponent with it. Just bad reading comprehension at play 🤣

[frail flare]

Illusionists' gambit has to be during declare blockers.

[misty geyser]

I’m not a fan personally, I ended up taking it out. It’s a cool card though! 4 mana is the dealbreaker for me

If it was 2 mana, I would consider it better than a fog

[frail flare]

Just looking at the lists again [[constable of the realm]] thoughts?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/179/constable-of-the-realm

Constable of the Realm <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Giant Soldier
Renown 2 (When this creature deals combat damage to a player, if it isn't renowned, put two +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes renowned.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Constable of the Realm, exile up to one other target nonland permanent until Constable of the Realm leaves the battlefield.
3/3

[misty geyser]

Eh, I like it but I feel like it’s a bit too oppressive for my tables

It’s too easily repeatable

If you’re going all-out nasty then 100% go for it though

Though, at 5 mana it’s a rough sell

Because you’d have to back it up with another spell, meaning you’d either be on, like, t6 or later OR it would have to last a full turn rotation to be used once

[frail flare]

nod

[misty geyser]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/b80bO2EjkEyED7wleHwksw

I had a silly idea

Mono white aggro in commander pls and thank you

[misty geyser]

@dense wadi watchu think about assisting on an RDW deck in commander?

[dense wadi]

I can only peek in and out for the next few hours. It’s busy at work

[misty geyser]

All good!

I’m at work, just far less busy lmao

[frail flare]

I know I wasn't pinged but, what are you looking at for your commander for the RDW deck?

[misty geyser]

Sorry, got busy yesterday. I’m still thinking of doing [[subira tulzidi]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/261/subira-tulzidi-caravanner

Subira, Tulzidi Caravanner <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Haste
: Another target creature with power 2 or less can't be blocked this turn.
, , Discard your hand: Until end of turn, whenever a creature you control with power 2 or less deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
2/3

[misty geyser]

If not her then I feel like running some amount of wheels is necessary to keep up the pressure

I could do, like, [[inti seneschal]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/156/inti-seneschal-of-the-sun

Inti, Seneschal of the Sun <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Knight
Whenever you attack, you may discard a card. When you do, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature. It gains trample until end of turn.
Whenever you discard one or more cards, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card until your next end step.
2/2

[misty geyser]

Basically I want to be swinging from t1-2 and never stop

[dense wadi]

So what you’re saying is Ragavan typal

[misty geyser]

Heh, basically

[dense wadi]

Word

[misty geyser]

I like subira because she provides the way to end the game and a way to keep the train rolling

[frail flare]

OK so not far from my [[captain ripley vance]] but more creature focused.

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/209/captain-ripley-vance

Captain Ripley Vance <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Pirate
Whenever you cast your third spell each turn, put a +1/+1 counter on Captain Ripley Vance, then it deals damage equal to its power to any target.
The Spitfire Bastion bristles with cannons claimed from every ship she's conquered.
3/2

[misty geyser]

She’s just… extremely mana hungry

[dense wadi]

Okay so this may be coming from a place of brainrot

But what if you made [[kiln fiend]] unblockable and then dumped a bunch of instants

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/338/kiln-fiend

Kiln Fiend <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Beast
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, Kiln Fiend gets +3/+0 until end of turn.
It traps an explosion within its stony skin.
1/2

[misty geyser]

Seems kinda cute more than good

But kiln fiend could work

[dense wadi]

Kiln fiend is admittedly a pet card

[frail flare]

There are a lot more kiln fiends now

https://scryfall.com/search?q=cmc<4+format%3Aedh+commander%3Dr+t%3Acreature+(o%3Aprowess+or+(o%3A"whenever+you+cast+an+instant"+o%3A"gets+%2B"))

And that misses out on [[slickshot]]

[grand hinge]

Multiple cards match “slickshot”, can you be more specific?

[frail flare]

[[slickshot show-off]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/146/slickshot-show-off

Slickshot Show-Off <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying, haste
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, Slickshot Show-Off gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
1/2

[frail flare]

Here's the corrected list https://scryfall.com/search?q=cmc<4+format%3Aedh+commander%3Dr+t%3Acreature+(o%3Aprowess+or+(o%3A"whenever+you+cast+an+instant"+o%3A"gets+%2B")+or+o%3A"whenever+you+cast+a+noncreature")

[[emberheart challenger]] is a great inclusion in this idea

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/133/emberheart-challenger

Emberheart Challenger <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Mouse Warrior
Haste
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Valiant — Whenever Emberheart Challenger becomes the target of a spell or ability you control for the first time each turn, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
2/2

[frail flare]

Also the offspring creatures https://scryfall.com/search?q=cmc<4+format%3Aedh+commander%3Dr+t%3Acreature+o%3Aoffspring

So, thinking through this though. Subira needs them to be small when they hit

So kiln fiends don't work

Do they?

Now I'm just thinking about Subira in a boros deck for [[Anim Pakal]] or [[pia nalaar, consulate]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/223/anim-pakal-thousandth-moon

Anim Pakal, Thousandth Moon <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you attack with one or more non-Gnome creatures, put a +1/+1 counter on Anim Pakal, then create X 1/1 colorless Gnome artifact creature tokens that are tapped and attacking, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on Anim Pakal.
"If we are to protect this world, we can no longer hide within it!"
1/2

No card found for “pia nalaar, consulate”

[frail flare]

[[pia, consulate]]

[grand hinge]

No card found for “pia, consulate”

[frail flare]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/42/pia-nalaar-consul-of-revival

but [[akroan crusader]]! That would be a pet card I'd suggest for Subira RDW

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/121/akroan-crusader

Akroan Crusader <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Soldier
Heroic — Whenever you cast a spell that targets Akroan Crusader, create a 1/1 red Soldier creature token with haste.
An Akroan soldier's worth is measured by the number of swords raised by his battle cry.
1/1

[dense wadi]

Heroic doesn’t count abilities for Subiras personal thing just to note

Valiant does but only once a turn

Ala [[emberheart challenger]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/133/emberheart-challenger

Emberheart Challenger <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Mouse Warrior
Haste
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Valiant — Whenever Emberheart Challenger becomes the target of a spell or ability you control for the first time each turn, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
2/2

[misty geyser]

They do, you just activate targeting them before going off

Hm

Do we have enough instants to even really do kiln fiend and still kill all three opponents?

I guess pump spells still do the thing, but I’d worry her card draw effect becomes pretty useless

[frail flare]

[[subira]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/261/subira-tulzidi-caravanner

Subira, Tulzidi Caravanner <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Haste
: Another target creature with power 2 or less can't be blocked this turn.
, , Discard your hand: Until end of turn, whenever a creature you control with power 2 or less deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
2/3

[misty geyser]

Oh shoot

[frail flare]

"whenever a creature you control with power 2 or less"

[misty geyser]

I forgot they have to be 2 power to draw as well

Rip

Is there a better leader for RDW?

I mean i just like subira because she lets all the little guys get through

Hmmmm

[frail flare]

Poking around at thoughts for Subira though https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7l3Mirp9u0Wk2wFioiXI9w

[misty geyser]

[[meekstone]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/227/meekstone

Meekstone <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
Creatures with power 3 or greater don't untap during their controllers' untap steps.
The bigger they are, the stronger its pull.

[misty geyser]

I just feel like subira facilitates the best representation of making proper RDW/sligh work in commander

[frail flare]

YEah

[misty geyser]

Why clown car out of curiosity

[frail flare]

It makes a lot of 1/1s

And is cheap to cast.

If you want storm counts.

[misty geyser]

I don’t care terribly much about making a lot of 1/1s, i mostly just want each little creature to be valuable

Think [[bomat courier]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/199/bomat-courier

Bomat Courier <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Haste
Whenever Bomat Courier attacks, exile the top card of your library face down. (You can't look at it.)
, Discard your hand, Sacrifice Bomat Courier: Put all cards exiled with Bomat Courier into their owners' hands.
1/1

[frail flare]

[[zada hedron grinder]] is another option

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/268/zada-hedron-grinder

Zada, Hedron Grinder <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Ally
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only Zada, Hedron Grinder, copy that spell for each other creature you control that the spell could target. Each copy targets a different one of those creatures.
"A hedron holds magic for a thousand years—or less, if need be."
3/3

[misty geyser]

[[squee dubious]] is a pretty good rdw card

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/146/squee-dubious-monarch

Squee, Dubious Monarch <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Noble
Haste
Whenever Squee, Dubious Monarch attacks, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token that's tapped and attacking.
You may cast Squee, Dubious Monarch from your graveyard by paying and exiling four other cards from your graveyard rather than paying its mana cost.
2/2

[misty geyser]

At least nowadays

[frail flare]

Yeah

Goblins in general really

As long as you aren't doing the full krenko route

Oh [[rosnakht]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/25/rosnakht-heir-of-rohgahh

Rosnakht, Heir of Rohgahh <:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Kobold Warrior
Battle cry (Whenever this creature attacks, each other attacking creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.)
Heroic — Whenever you cast a spell that targets Rosnakht, Heir of Rohgahh, create a 0/1 red Kobold creature token named Kobolds of Kher Keep.
0/1

[misty geyser]

Hmmmm

Id be worried about putting creatures over the 2 power

[frail flare]

EDHRec has some interesting suggestions I hadn't thought about

[[sawhorn nemesis]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/60/sawhorn-nemesis

Sawhorn Nemesis <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dinosaur
As Sawhorn Nemesis enters, choose a player.
If a source would deal damage to the chosen player or a permanent they control, it deals double that damage instead.
2/4

[frail flare]

OH, you can load up on "extra damage" effects like [[mechanized warfare]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/139/mechanized-warfare

Mechanized Warfare <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
If a red or artifact source you control would deal damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals that much damage plus 1 instead.
First the automatons reinforced depleted squads. Then they replaced them entirely.

[misty geyser]

Yeah, that was my thinking

Torbran and friends

[frail flare]

So torbran, [[artist's talent]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/124/artists-talent

Artist's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
: Level 2
Noncreature spells you cast cost less to cast.
: Level 3
If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals that much damage plus 2 instead.

[frail flare]

But that lets you use [[raid bombardment]] effects too

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/142/raid-bombardment

Raid Bombardment <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control with power 2 or less attacks, Raid Bombardment deals 1 damage to the player or planeswalker that creature is attacking.
Goblins in the first wave of a fire raid always bemoan the aim of everyone else.

[misty geyser]

Yeah raid bombardment and cavalcade would be good

[[connecting the dots]] is also real good

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/118/connecting-the-dots

Connecting the Dots <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control attacks, exile the top card of your library face down. (You can't look at it.)
, Discard your hand, Sacrifice Connecting the Dots: Put all cards exiled with Connecting the Dots into their owners' hands.
"How could I have missed it? The answer was right in front of me all along!"

[frail flare]

I'm continuing on the brainstorm file

I wouldn't suggest having the case though since it make you constantly discard and you're doing that anyway if you need to refill

[[case of the crimson pulse]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/114/case-of-the-crimson-pulse

Case of the Crimson Pulse <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Case
When this Case enters, discard a card, then draw two cards.
To solve — You have no cards in hand. (If unsolved, solve at the beginning of your end step.)
Solved — At the beginning of your upkeep, discard your hand, then draw two cards.

[misty geyser]

Could be good to quickly wheel through your deck

I mean ideally you’re dumping hand, getting to empty then activating Subira

Also, [[fear of missing out]] is cracked as hell

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/136/fear-of-missing-out

Fear of Missing Out <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment Creature — Nightmare
When Fear of Missing Out enters, discard a card, then draw a card.
Delirium — Whenever Fear of Missing Out attacks for the first time each turn, if there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard, untap target creature. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase.
2/3

[misty geyser]

Ironic, yes

Sawhorn is a fantastic card ye

[frail flare]

Yeah, FOMO has a lot of traction on the EDHRec page. It was one of the ones I hadn't thought about

[[calamity of cinders]] is cool because it's theoretically a one-sided wipe

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/23/calamity-of-cinders

Calamity of Cinders <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Calamity of Cinders deals 6 damage to each untapped creature.

[misty geyser]

I think the curve on this deck needs to be absolutely as low as possible

Yeah convoke cards are great

I think we really want to just grind value until we hit some force multipliers like sawhorn

Then you lash out and start cracking in for big damage

[frail flare]

YEah

[misty geyser]

Is there anything we can do to protect our board? I’m thinking no

[frail flare]

Make it so they can't be blocked in general

[misty geyser]

I mean from stuff like board wipes

Or are we just dead to them

Stuff like [[moria marauder]] is also really good

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/138/moria-marauder

Moria Marauder <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Warrior
Double strike
Whenever a Goblin or Orc you control deals combat damage to a player, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
There was a rush of hoarse laughter, like the fall of sliding stones into a pit; amid the clamor a deep voice was raised in command.
1/1

[frail flare]

If you're in the goblin area, yeah

But no, most of the stuff would be in boros or gruul

In order to protect the board as a whole

LOL [[ensnaring bridge]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/219/ensnaring-bridge

Ensnaring Bridge <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Creatures with power greater than the number of cards in your hand can't attack.
"I expected a fight, but I didn't expect it from the building itself." —Gerrard

[frail flare]

But you need to have as empty of a hand as possible for that to work really

[misty geyser]

Nah you don’t even need goblins for it

With subira it just impulse draws 2 cards a turn

Same with [[prophetic flamespeaker]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/jou/106/prophetic-flamespeaker

Prophetic Flamespeaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Shaman
Double strike, trample
Whenever Prophetic Flamespeaker deals combat damage to a player, exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn.
Fire to destroy. Fire to create.
1/3

[misty geyser]

And [[grenzo havoc raiser]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/168/grenzo-havoc-raiser

Grenzo, Havoc Raiser <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Rogue
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, choose one —
• Goad target creature that player controls.
• Exile the top card of that player's library. Until end of turn, you may cast that card and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast that spell.
"You burn. I'll pillage."
2/2

[misty geyser]

Is this a deck where we get to run [[stigma lasher]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eve/62/stigma-lasher

Stigma Lasher <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Shaman
Wither (This deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters.)
Whenever Stigma Lasher deals damage to a player, that player can't gain life for the rest of the game.
The Extinguisher's curse lasted long after her departure.
2/2

[misty geyser]

Life gain is pretty detrimental to our gameplan

[frail flare]

[[tibalt, rakish]] too

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/146/tibalt-rakish-instigator

Tibalt, Rakish Instigator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tibalt
Your opponents can't gain life.
−2: Create a 1/1 red Devil creature token with "When this creature dies, it deals 1 damage to any target."
Loyalty: 5

[misty geyser]

Lmao, yeah that one’s funny

I was thinking more of the Roiling Vortex route

[frail flare]

[[sunspine lynx]] is interesting but has a high power.

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/155/sunspine-lynx

Sunspine Lynx <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Cat
Players can't gain life.
Damage can't be prevented.
When Sunspine Lynx enters, it deals damage to each player equal to the number of nonbasic lands that player controls.
5/4

[misty geyser]

Oh 100% PoP needs in the deck

Wish lynx was enters and attacks too

But still works well

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6nqhGC0I-UOwFjoDTS488w

Oh, hey, I forgot I already made a list lol

[frail flare]

[[hit the motherload]] and [[dance with calamity]] are higher mana but might be worth it

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/153/hit-the-mother-lode

Hit the Mother Lode <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Discover 10. If the discovered card's mana value is less than 10, create a number of tapped Treasure tokens equal to the difference. (To discover 10, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card with mana value 10 or less. Cast it without paying its mana cost or put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.)

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/29/dance-with-calamity

Dance with Calamity <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Shuffle your library. As many times as you choose, you may exile the top card of your library. If the total mana value of the cards exiled this way is 13 or less, you may cast any number of spells from among those cards without paying their mana costs.
It was just another day on Innistrad.

[frail flare]

I've definitely seen Dance compared with Ad Naus in a low cost red deck

[misty geyser]

I haven’t updated it in a year, yeesh

Hmmmm

8 mana is rough though

[frail flare]

Yeah

I'm trying to think outside the box a little

I think you have a good start with this list, I looked for a decklist on your moxfield because I thought there was one but didn't see it

[dense wadi]

I’d like to put forth

[[furnace of Rath]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/hop/55/furnace-of-rath

Furnace of Rath <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
If a source would deal damage to a permanent or player, it deals double that damage to that permanent or player instead.
The furnace awaits the next master who would stoke the fires of apocalypse.

[frail flare]

It has good devotion but [[city on fire]] is already in the one list.

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/135/city-on-fire

City on Fire <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
If a source you control would deal damage to a permanent or player, it deals triple that damage instead.

[frail flare]

And rath is symmetrical

[dense wadi]

Only if they don’t die first

[frail flare]

It's symmetrical to your (the controller's) face though

[dense wadi]

What could be more in the spirit of RDW

[misty geyser]

Yeah, furnace is good good

[misty geyser]

Alright I made some changes to add newer cards

I’ll peer through all the new red cards more later

Thoughts on [[pip boy 3000]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/140/pip-boy-3000

Pip-Boy 3000 <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, choose one —
• Sort Inventory — Draw a card, then discard a card.
• Pick a Perk — Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
• Check Map — Untap up to two target lands.
Equip

[frail flare]

I personally love it but probably better with land untapping. So I guess if you're running bounces/karoos?

the [[lost jitte]] [[umezawa's jitte]] work well because you can buff stuff defensively?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/big/23/lost-jitte

Lost Jitte <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage, put a charge counter on Lost Jitte.
Remove a charge counter from Lost Jitte: Choose one —
• Untap target land.
• Target creature can't block this turn.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on equipped creature.
Equip

https://scryfall.com/card/bok/163/umezawas-jitte

Umezawa's Jitte <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage, put two charge counters on Umezawa's Jitte.
Remove a charge counter from Umezawa's Jitte: Choose one —
• Equipped creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
• Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
• You gain 2 life.
Equip

[dense wadi]

Hello I’m here with a random card suggestion for Bumbleflower consideration

[[leela seva]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/107/leela-sevateem-warrior

Leela, Sevateem Warrior <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever an opponent draws a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, put a +1/+1 counter on Leela, Sevateem Warrior.
Doctor's companion (You can have two commanders if the other is the Doctor.)
"Look, Doctor, good marksmanship is not a matter of luck."
3/3

[misty geyser]

I had considered it yeh

I’m kinda moving away from managorger hydras though

[queen siren]

[[managorger hydra]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/307/managorger-hydra

Managorger Hydra <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Hydra
Trample
Whenever a player casts a spell, put a +1/+1 counter on Managorger Hydra.
1/1

[queen siren]

Really?

[misty geyser]

Yeah, just isn’t good really

Not for how tuned my list is

And the direction I wanted it to go

[misty geyser]

Okay, so

I’m noticing that I have been reaching for Tymna//Malcolm less and less often

I want to fix that

The issue my brain’s telling me I’m having issue with is more effective ways to win the game

Once I’m in a position to win the game it still takes, like, 10 turns of swinging, drawing, and passing to take it

https://moxfield.com/decks/UrqV5Qqp4kOG7H84CP7ijQ

I still want a density of unblockable stuff, but i am concerned vanilla 1/1 unblockables guys just aren’t doing enough

Anthems are definitely something I need to look into

I’m starting to sorta hate seeing [[lurrus]] in my hand basically all the time, since there’s a 3 mana tax before I get to start playing my cards from graveyards

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/226/lurrus-of-the-dream-den

Lurrus of the Dream-Den <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manawb:292901509044109312><:manawb:292901509044109312>

Legendary Creature — Cat Nightmare
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has mana value 2 or less. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Lifelink
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard.
3/2

[misty geyser]

I’m thinking that [[delney]] needs a slot since they absolutely hum with tymna AND malcolm

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/12/delney-streetwise-lookout

Delney, Streetwise Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Scout
Creatures you control with power 2 or less can't be blocked by creatures with power 3 or greater.
If an ability of a creature you control with power 2 or less triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
"It's not a matter of what I know. It's a matter of making it worth my while to tell you."
2/2

[misty geyser]

I’m also thinking that an equipment suite could be very good

Like [[pip boy 3000]

[[pip boy 3000]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/140/pip-boy-3000

Pip-Boy 3000 <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, choose one —
• Sort Inventory — Draw a card, then discard a card.
• Pick a Perk — Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
• Check Map — Untap up to two target lands.
Equip

[misty geyser]

Synergy with stuff like [[empyrean eagle]] is good

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/khc/85/empyrean-eagle

Empyrean Eagle <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Bird Spirit
Flying
Other creatures you control with flying get +1/+1.
All the birds of the skies are the spirit's brood, gathered for safety under its wings.
2/3

[misty geyser]

[[senu keen]] has not been doing much tbh. Vigilance is nice and all, but I don’t terribly often have a legendary pushing through

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/8/senu-keen-eyed-protector

Senu, Keen-Eyed Protector <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Bird Scout
Flying, vigilance
, Exile Senu, Keen-Eyed Protector: You gain 2 life and scry 2.
When a legendary creature you control attacks and isn't blocked, if Senu is exiled, put it onto the battlefield attacking.
"Be my eyes, Senu!" —Bayek of Siwa
2/1

[misty geyser]

[[basri ket]] I’m returning to mentally. I wonder if that’s worth it

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/7/basri-ket

Basri Ket <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker — Basri
+1: Put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature. It gains indestructible until end of turn.
−2: Whenever one or more nontoken creatures attack this turn, create that many 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens that are tapped and attacking.
−6: You get an emblem with "At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token, then put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control."
Loyalty: 3

[misty geyser]

And [[dovin grand]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/voc/153/dovin-grand-arbiter

Dovin, Grand Arbiter <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Dovin
+1: Until end of turn, whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put a loyalty counter on Dovin, Grand Arbiter.
−1: Create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying. You gain 1 life.
−7: Look at the top ten cards of your library. Put three of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Loyalty: 3

[misty geyser]

Also the graveyard definitely gets full quickly - any ways to break that?

[[return to the ranks]] might need to come back

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m15/29/return-to-the-ranks

Return to the Ranks <:manax:292901509082120202><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Return X target creature cards with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.

[misty geyser]

Also what if I just started running efficient beaters? [[murktide regent]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/52/murktide-regent

Murktide Regent <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Dragon
Delve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for .)
Flying
Murktide Regent enters with a +1/+1 counter on it for each instant and sorcery card exiled with it.
Whenever an instant or sorcery card leaves your graveyard, put a +1/+1 counter on Murktide Regent.
3/3

[misty geyser]

2 mana 8/8 flier is a hard rate to beat

[frail flare]

You could probably do a reasonable lantern control with [[teshar, ancestor's apostle]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/65/teshar-ancestors-apostle

Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Bird Cleric
Flying
Whenever you cast a historic spell, return target creature card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
"The Ancestor saved us for a purpose."
2/2

[frail flare]

Just because it can loop the pieces after you sacrifice them.

Or if not that [[ayesha|dmc]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/29/ayesha-tanaka-armorer

Ayesha Tanaka, Armorer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Whenever Ayesha Tanaka, Armorer attacks, look at the top four cards of your library. You may put any number of artifact cards with mana value less than or equal to Ayesha's power from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Ayesha can't be blocked as long as defending player controls three or more artifacts.
2/4

[misty geyser]

True true

[frail flare]

Since she also has the potential built-in wincon of being unblockable.

[[meria, scholar]] is another commander linked with Lantern on edhrec

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/206/meria-scholar-of-antiquity

Meria, Scholar of Antiquity <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Artificer
Tap an untapped nontoken artifact you control: Add .
Tap two untapped nontoken artifacts you control: Exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn.
"Why fear artifice? Is it not also of this world?"
3/3

[frail flare]

Oh, and [[marvo]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/7/marvo-deep-operative

Marvo, Deep Operative <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Octopus Rogue
Whenever Marvo, Deep Operative attacks, clash with defending player. (Each clashing player reveals the top card of their library, then puts that card on the top or bottom. A player wins if their card had a higher mana value.)
Whenever you win a clash, draw a card. Then you may cast a spell from your hand with mana value 8 or less without paying its mana cost.
1/8

[misty geyser]

Lol meria is pretty funny

[frail flare]

Actually you could do Coram with it

Since a lot of modern lists seem to be GB or BR.

And lantern is built around milling

[lethal river]

[[coram]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/7/coram-the-undertaker

Coram, the Undertaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Coram, the Undertaker gets +X/+0, where X is the greatest power among creature cards in all graveyards.
Whenever Coram attacks, each player mills a card.
During each of your turns, you may play a land and cast a spell from among cards in graveyards that were put there from libraries this turn.
0/5

[lethal river]

Man I want to play lantern control in edh now

the amount of artifact tutors we need is kinda wild tho

[frail flare]

That's why I was saying ayesha might work because the key pieces can be found with like [[trinket mage]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddu/41/trinket-mage

Trinket Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
When Trinket Mage enters, you may search your library for an artifact card with mana value 1 or less, reveal that card, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
2/2

[frail flare]

Or the cmc2 one from mh1

[[Tribute mage]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/73/tribute-mage

Tribute Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
When Tribute Mage enters, you may search your library for an artifact card with mana value 2, reveal that card, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
2/2

[frail flare]

Which can be found with w or u tutor effects

[misty geyser]

@dense wadi https://moxfield.com/decks/H706sfNA8kC2SOTAbuTvSg

If you have ideas for the deck lemme know! I made a few changes recently and am interested to hear your thoughts

[frail flare]

I feel like this deck wants Berserk

[[!berserk|cn2]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/175/berserk

Berserk

[misty geyser]

Ooh, yes I love that

[frail flare]

Not just art but you can use it as creature/player removal

[dense wadi]

Curious about defiler of vigors inclusion

[misty geyser]

Look dude I gotta win somehow 😂

It’s technically shirtless

[misty geyser]

My goal with this is to make it as good as I can with the limitation

[dense wadi]

Well it just felt like both a stretch and possibly not doing anything sometimes

I was looking at some alternatives

Like [[borbor and fbl]] or [[defiler faith]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/219/borborygmos-and-fblthp

Borborygmos and Fblthp <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Cyclops Homunculus
Whenever Borborygmos and Fblthp enters or attacks, draw a card, then you may discard any number of land cards. When you discard one or more cards this way, Borborygmos and Fblthp deals twice that much damage to target creature.
: Put Borborygmos and Fblthp into its owner's library third from the top.
6/5

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/16/defiler-of-faith

Defiler of Faith <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Phyrexian Human
Vigilance
As an additional cost to cast white permanent spells, you may pay 2 life. Those spells cost less to cast if you paid life this way. This effect reduces only the amount of white mana you pay.
Whenever you cast a white permanent spell, create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token.
5/5

[frail flare]

I got that. 😅

[misty geyser]

Green is also the most prominent color by far, so Defiler of vigor made the most sense

[dense wadi]

Suppose that’s fair

Have you considered [[tahngar first mate]] for possibly sharing the shirtless man love?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/50/tahngarth-first-mate

Tahngarth, First Mate <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Minotaur Warrior
Tahngarth, First Mate can't be blocked by more than one creature.
Whenever an opponent attacks with one or more creatures, if Tahngarth is tapped, you may have that opponent gain control of Tahngarth until end of combat. If you do, choose a player or planeswalker that opponent is attacking. Tahngarth is attacking that player or planeswalker.
5/5

[misty geyser]

Hmmmmm that’s a pretty good idea

[misty geyser]

What to cut for tahngarth?

[frail flare]

My one problem with Tahngarth is it just makes me think about Slicer and whether Transformers count as being shirtless.

[misty geyser]

Heheh

[[!slicer hired]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/bot/6/slicer-hired-muscle-slicer-high-speed-antagonist

Slicer, Hired Muscle // Slicer, High-Speed Antagonist

[dense wadi]

Me when I resisted suggesting a gorilla

[[silverback elder]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/177/silverback-elder

Silverback Elder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Ape Shaman
Whenever you cast a creature spell, choose one —
• Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
• Look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
• You gain 4 life.
5/7

[misty geyser]

I feel like they’d be wearing some kind of armor

[frail flare]

Hey, Elder is wearing a vest, so there was a choice to be shirtless.

[dense wadi]

True

[misty geyser]

That was my thinking

[dense wadi]

But we can’t confirm the elder isn’t a lady tbf

[misty geyser]

There was intentional shirtlessness

[frail flare]

Silverbacks are male.

[misty geyser]

Tbf the deck is shirtless “men” in the same way that flying “men” is

[dense wadi]

Is it a term like bull?

I didn’t know that if so

[frail flare]

I thought so? I'll look it up.

[lethal river]

Well TIL

[dense wadi]

I just thought it was a subtype of gorilla

[lethal river]

Male gorillas grow hair on their back and become a silverback as they mature

[dense wadi]

Fair enough

[lethal river]

I thought it was a subtype as well tbf

[dense wadi]

Nvm then, the elder is a shirtless man and rocking it

[lethal river]

Everyday is a school day

[frail flare]

"Troops tend to be made of one adult male or silverback, with a harem of multiple adult females and their offspring."

[dense wadi]

Mxkale was right indeed

[misty geyser]

Neat

Do y’all think that 38 lands is too many? I was worried about the deck being pretty low power so I went ahead and bumped the number up

[frail flare]

I watched too many primate specials as a kid because I liked learning about animal communication/cognition.

[misty geyser]

Also - if you find any land arts with shirtless people on them I’d be happy to give ‘em a shot.

[lethal river]

I cant imagine you have many shirtless dudes that ramp

[misty geyser]

My mind is blanking but that one ape that learned sign language comes to mind

[misty geyser]

You’d be surprised

[frail flare]

[[dryad of the ilysian grove]] helps a lot

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/891/dryad-of-the-ilysian-grove

Dryad of the Ilysian Grove <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment Creature — Nymph Dryad
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Lands you control are every basic land type in addition to their other types.
"Vine-wreathed, he nurtures life among the dead." —Psemilla, Meletian poet
2/4

[misty geyser]

I got 13 ramp pieces

Dryad the goat

I recently bought the rest of what I need for the deck and bought the wrong mf fellwar stone ;-;

[lethal river]

what colours are you in?

[misty geyser]

[[!fellwar stone|cmm|657

[[!fellwar stone|cmm|657]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/657/fellwar-stone

Fellwar Stone

[misty geyser]

I shpuld’ve bought this one

[misty geyser]

WURG

[frail flare]

[[lanowar loamspeaker]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/170/llanowar-loamspeaker

Llanowar Loamspeaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
: Add one mana of any color.
: Target land you control becomes a 3/3 Elemental creature with haste until end of turn. It's still a land. Activate only as a sorcery.
Twigs broken underfoot in Llanowar tend to return the favor.
1/3

[misty geyser]

Oooh I forgot about that guyy

[frail flare]

Do you have [[!beastcaller savant]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/170/beastcaller-savant

Beastcaller Savant

[lethal river]

You've got bruse tarl right?

[frail flare]

Bruse is one of the commanders

[lethal river]

perfect

hes like the pinnacle shirtless man

[frail flare]

I'm pretty sure [[!fanatic of rhonas]] is male

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/152/fanatic-of-rhonas

Fanatic of Rhonas

[misty geyser]

I don’t really actually care about them being male, fwiw

Shirtless is all that matters

Fanatic is a great shout

[dense wadi]

Yeah good pick

[frail flare]

[[!zhur-taa druid]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/232/zhur-taa-druid

Zhur-Taa Druid

[misty geyser]

Might cut Domri for fanatic

Yeah, Zhur taa has been in the back of my mind. I absolutely love the card but needing GR to only tap for G is rough

[frail flare]

nod

[dense wadi]

Question

I noticed you had a fair few walkers here

[misty geyser]

Also to note - [[!werebear|ema|191]] has been in the deck the whole time, and it’s similar to silverback where it had a shirt at one point

[dense wadi]

Does [[djeru eyes open]] count as shirtless

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/191/werebear

Werebear

https://scryfall.com/card/hou/10/djeru-with-eyes-open

Djeru, With Eyes Open <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Vigilance
When Djeru, With Eyes Open enters, you may search your library for a planeswalker card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
If a source would deal damage to a planeswalker you control, prevent 1 of that damage.
4/3

[misty geyser]

Hmmmmm

I would say no, because he does explicitly have a top on

[frail flare]

He's got a chest plate even if it's over his torso

[dense wadi]

Fair

[misty geyser]

Like I wouldn’t count [[!bloodbraid elf]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/184/bloodbraid-elf

Bloodbraid Elf

[frail flare]

Bloodbraid elf is wearing a band top

[misty geyser]

Yeah, exactly, I think exposed chest is a pretty important criteria here

[lethal river]

[[decree of savagery]] for a shirtless weak hoof effect?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/156/decree-of-savagery

Decree of Savagery <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Put four +1/+1 counters on each creature you control.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle Decree of Savagery, you may put four +1/+1 counters on target creature.

[frail flare]

[[!orcish lumberjack]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/179/orcish-lumberjack

Orcish Lumberjack

[lethal river]

I guess hoof is always shirtless but ehh im guessing hoof doesnt normally wear clothes

[misty geyser]

So like [[!gaea’s blessing|ema|168]] is another example

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/168/gaeas-blessing

Gaea's Blessing

[frail flare]

I would like to lobby that you include [[!Plains|DMU|264]] instead as it actually has Karn on it

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/264/plains

Plains

[misty geyser]

THANK YOU, I will 100% be searching for it

[frail flare]

Theoretically [[!wastes|sld]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/795/wastes

Wastes

[misty geyser]

Lmao

As much as I love that, a 4c deck definitely does not need a waste in it

[lethal river]

Does [[!forest|xln|277]] count ?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/xln/277/forest

Forest

[lethal river]

He’s not entirely shirtless but like he’s got a least a bit of the chest out

[misty geyser]

Better than what I have rn

Currently I’ve got the kamigawa full arts in the deck

[lethal river]

All the basic lands from ixalan could replace your basics then

Coz each land has a jace in them with that same attire

[misty geyser]

I do like the karn plains a bit more

Because it’s got more chest

[frail flare]

The Karn Plains is one of my favorite basic art of all time

[misty geyser]

It is very cool

[frail flare]

I got it on a playmat and it looks so good.

[misty geyser]

Are there any other nonbasic lands we could include?

[lethal river]

I really like the lightning storm plains

[lethal river]

I couldn’t name a single non basic with a person on it tbh

[misty geyser]

Rip

I know atags aren’t perfect

But this is disappointing

[lethal river]

Yeah :/

[frail flare]

[[!base camp]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/257/base-camp

Base Camp

[misty geyser]

Are they shirtless? I can’t quite tell

[lethal river]

Nah they’re all wearing armour of some kind

[frail flare]

I thought the one on the right was shirtless

[misty geyser]

As much as I love the art I might want to find a replacement for [[hammer of bogardan]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/193/hammer-of-bogardan

Hammer of Bogardan <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Hammer of Bogardan deals 3 damage to any target.
: Return Hammer of Bogardan from your graveyard to your hand. Activate only during your upkeep.

[misty geyser]

Card is… so bad

[frail flare]

The Rob Alexander Breeding Pool art has someone on the bottom right corner but I can't tell whether they're shirtless

[[!breeding pool|rvr]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/275/breeding-pool

Breeding Pool

[misty geyser]

Pretty hard to tell, yeah

[lethal river]

Yeah they’re too small to know

Is there a blown up version of that art

[misty geyser]

To me it kinda looks like they’re leaning up against the thing

And they have some kinda bandolier

Their body being the same color as their head points me to believe that they aren’t wearing a shirt

Which of these two statues is better here, ya think?

[frail flare]

Left

[misty geyser]

The one on the right seems fully shirtless, but the one on the left is much more obviously shirtless

[frail flare]

[[!ghost quarter|sld]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/468/ghost-quarter

Ghost Quarter

[frail flare]

They aren't foregrounded, but the statue on the left looks topless

[misty geyser]

Ooh! Good point

[frail flare]

[[!temple of enlightenment|bng]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/bng/163/temple-of-enlightenment

Temple of Enlightenment

[lethal river]

This is a lot of effort to make a shirtless deck hahaha

Makes me think that hat tribal isn’t such a good idea after all

[frail flare]

Hat is better documented

[misty geyser]

The effort is what makes it so endearing!

[misty geyser]

You’ve also got stickers now, so you can put even more hats on things!

[frail flare]

Is [["Brims" Barone, Midway Mobster]] involved in this hat list?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/unf/163/brims-barone-midway-mobster

"Brims" Barone, Midway Mobster <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
When "Brims" Barone, Midway Mobster enters, put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control that has a hat.
"Brims" Barone, Midway Mobster has menace as long as you're wearing a hat.
The capo of caps, the hitman of hats, the don of donning fashionable headwear.
5/4

[lethal river]

Well they'll have to be with a hat like that

Tbf thunder junction just gave us loads of hats

[misty geyser]

Okay so while shirtless men is coming through the mail, I want to brew a simic nonsense deck. I’m thinking I want to do Uro, and I want to do a fun build with him rather than some kind of landfall or goodstuff

[lethal river]

Well, good luck with that. As a connoisseur of simic decks, they always end up as good card piles

Uro does seem like a fun commander though

[frail flare]

I guess you could do an attack trigger deck?

Like with [[blossoming bogbeast]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/59/blossoming-bogbeast

Blossoming Bogbeast <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Beast
Whenever Blossoming Bogbeast attacks, you gain 2 life. Then creatures you control gain trample and get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the amount of life you gained this turn.
As subtle as a bogbeast —Witherbloom expression meaning "crude and clumsy"
3/3

[misty geyser]

I did consider doing all titan effects (ETB and attack) as a deck, running uro, kroxa, phlage, and the OG titan cycle etc

[frail flare]

On the other hand, looking for cards for this idea means I found a random common I now want [[Contempt]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/sth/27/contempt

Contempt <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
When enchanted creature attacks, return it and Contempt to their owners' hands at end of combat.
"Predictable little man. In all these years you taught me so much yet learned so little." —Volrath, to Starke

[misty geyser]

Heh, i like that

I feel like I’d be better off just running [[crystal shard]] in uro though

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/159/crystal-shard

Crystal Shard <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
, or , : Return target creature to its owner's hand unless its controller pays .
The vedalken know it is not of this world, so they know that this world is not the only one.

[hushed tapir]

What a sick ass card

Gosh c21 was such a cool set

[frail flare]

But iwth Uro it means creatures get +5/5 and trample

Maybe simic food?

But you're using the artifact/lifegain

[lethal river]

Tbf growth spiral tribal with Uro sounds like a hilarious deck

Just bounce uro a billion times and replay it because were in simic and we just have 10,000 mana

[misty geyser]

See you mention that and that’s exactly what I was thinking

Make it a thassa’s oracle deck hell bent on decking itself

[lethal river]

Its almost a shame we arent in black, becuase scamming uro over and over would be funny

[misty geyser]

We sorta gave scamming with cheap flicker

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/qj9ABIKv402YeHYfX-vLxQ

Here’s what I came up with a couple days ago

[lethal river]

ooooh [[essence flux]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/151/essence-flux

Essence Flux <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Exile target creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control. If it's a Spirit, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
A spirit is both fettered and free—bound in some ways to its previous existence, yet able to transcend much of the corporeal.

[lethal river]

The uro art you have as the commander makes me twitch

[misty geyser]

What’s wrong with Uro pogging

[lethal river]

also please play [[peregrine drake]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/65/peregrine-drake

Peregrine Drake <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Drake
Flying
When Peregrine Drake enters, untap up to five lands.
"Always a welcome sight breaking through the clouds." —Talrand, sky summoner
2/3

[misty geyser]

Why’s that

[lethal river]

Ghostly flicker and Archaeomancer are already in the deck

[misty geyser]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh

Combos icky

We want manual draw for the funsies

[lethal river]

oh, you're building comboless?

[misty geyser]

Homie have you met me?

I don’t even put combos in my cedh decks lol

[lethal river]

Ahh ok fair

I love my flicker combos and taking forever to do triggers all over the shop

I recently had to retire my Azorius flicker deck as it had too many triggers. People killed me so I wasnt resolving triggers during their upkeeps haha

It was a candlekeep sage and abdel list

[misty geyser]

Sounds about right

[lethal river]

With flickerwisp and co