#Umaru’s Decklist Thread

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misty geyser
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Hate that roaming through is SO ubiquitous

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Nah, you know what no I'm not gonna run it

hasty portal
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That's fair, I myself have it in only one deck.

misty geyser
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I'm just gonna remain salty that they changed her occupation

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I also want to note I am severely lacking in the removal suite

hasty portal
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Mmm yes. It never hurts to have a few counterspells and removal spells at least in your colors.

misty geyser
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Thoughts on [[bitterblossom]]? Too cute? powerful? I don't know how to judge it since I am definitely biased lol

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misty geyser
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I also have [[Goblin Assault]] in there

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hasty portal
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One thing is if you have too many lose life cards to get something at upkeep and can't find your sustain options, you might be killing youself at some point in the game.

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[[Urabresk's Forge]]

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hasty portal
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Oh wait that's combat, nvm.

misty geyser
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;-;

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Curse magic design using everything BUT the upkeep

hasty portal
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[[Shrine of Burning Rage]] could be a way to kill an opponent.

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hasty portal
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[[Shrine of Piercing Vision]] can function as a tutor as well with enough opportunity.

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misty geyser
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I considered the shrines, but.. I just don't have a way to repeat them and so I'd just be doing nothing with them until I try to pop them for something useful

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Do you think [[[sword of feast and famine]] and maybe a couple others are good options?

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hasty portal
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Mmhmm! Definitely get a few swords for Obeka.

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She could use the utility, buffs, and protecton.

misty geyser
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Which ones, which ones...

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Also, I do have a couple lifegain options to offset the lots of life loss.

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[[ivory tower]] [[venser's journal]]

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misty geyser
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Not the best, but I figured ivory tower is a low opportunity mana cost

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and venser's would POP OFF if it even got one turn with obeka out

misty geyser
hasty portal
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Mmhmm!

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And oh yeah, Vensers makes great sustain.

misty geyser
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I'm wondering now about [[kyren sniper]].

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misty geyser
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Might be too high cost for very little payoff

hasty portal
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I mean it's cute ^^'

misty geyser
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Okay, I gotta go to bed, but I will definitely want to continue this!

hasty portal
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Sure thing! Night!

hushed tapir
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I’m just now seeing this - what’re your thoughts on
[[ring of evos isle]], [[ring of valkas]], [[ring of xathrid]] and/or [[chronozoa]]?

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mossy brook
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This Obeka list is looking silly for sure!

misty geyser
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I love the idea of chronozoa, I just didn’t find a cut for them last night

hushed tapir
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Working on brewing my own list atm and using yours for some inspiration...what're your thoughts on [[lotus bloom]]?

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/270/lotus-bloom

Lotus Bloom

Artifact
Suspend 3—mana0 (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay mana0 and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
manat, Sacrifice Lotus Bloom: Add three mana of any one color.

hushed tapir
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shit no - [[lotus blossom]]

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mossy brook
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Hold on, another friend of mine was brewing this as well

misty geyser
misty geyser
misty geyser
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misty geyser
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Anything that can have evasive stuff stapled onto doing something else is always preferred

misty geyser
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@mossy brook I’m stealing your friend’s deck and making edits to it instead.. this is taking too much brain power for me to figure out lol.

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Also I really like the initiative direction

misty geyser
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Oh! [[Minas Morgul dark]]

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misty geyser
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and [[the black gate]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/80/the-black-gate

The Black Gate

Legendary Land — Gate
As The Black Gate enters the battlefield, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters the battlefield tapped.
manat: Add manab.
mana1manab, manat: Choose a player with the most life or tied for most life. Target creature can't be blocked by creatures that player controls this turn.

misty geyser
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Also [[keeper of keys]]

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misty geyser
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But I have pivoted hard after giving it some thought and re-reading Jasper

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Obeka has a lot of moving parts and I foresee a lot of feelsbad games where I do nothing

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Jasper just lets me do what I want - whatever my opponents are doing

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And all I need to do is have a lot of ramp (in the form of cost reducers where possible), protection for my stuff and removal

mossy brook
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I hated to say this @misty geyser

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But Obeka is the most boring of boring one-build decks

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"Scryfall decks", as I've heard them be called

misty geyser
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Yeah, I was starting to get that feeling too

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That's a smart term

mossy brook
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You search everything which says "at the beginning of upkeep", sort by EDHRec, add some evasion and protection, bang you've got a 99

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Jasper looks like SO much more fun

misty geyser
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I just know it won't last too long for me because I know there isn't much room for tinkering

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Jasper is gonna be sick as hell

mossy brook
misty geyser
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Imagine me landing a [[thieving amalgam]]

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misty geyser
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The manifested cards are mercenaries because they're creatures I control but don't own

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Plus, I'm already hoarding their creatures where I can

mossy brook
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that sounds disgusting

misty geyser
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So I'm just stuffing the deck with cost reducers

mossy brook
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are you trying [[brainstealer dragon]] too?

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/670/brainstealer-dragon

Brainstealer Dragon <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Dragon Horror
Flying
At the beginning of your end step, exile the top card of each opponent's library. You may play those cards for as long as they remain exiled. If you cast a spell this way, you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast it.
Whenever a nonland permanent an opponent owns enters the battlefield under your control, they lose life equal to its mana value.
6/6

mossy brook
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the boy is a wincon

misty geyser
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I love getting to run "off color" familiars like [[thunderscape familiar]] and still gettign value from both parts lol

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misty geyser
mossy brook
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I'm enjoying the "tinkering mood" with Marchesa

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since she's so VERY very open-ended

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zero way to scryfall for her

misty geyser
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I didn't build marchesa because she's too open-ended for me haha

mossy brook
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I'm STILL discovering new weird crime synergies

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and I expect to do so for years 😂

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yeah she feels, uh, expert-level building difficulty

misty geyser
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I like having tinkerability but I'd literally never stop building with her and never end up actually putting the deck in paper

mossy brook
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even with only two colors she's super complex

misty geyser
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She's expert level in terms of making the "best" one

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Which, imo, means she's a super good commander because people will give up trying to make the best one and just run their favorite ones

mossy brook
misty geyser
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@mossy brook Sorry to jump back and forth between chats but I'm trying to keep discussion of my own brew from clogging your chat - Should I cut [[vial smasher gleeful]] for impact tremors? I feel like it's just strictly better for this deck

hasty portal
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Goodl uck with your new deck switch.

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misty geyser
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I think the worst thing about it is that my doom tower slowly gets bigger

mossy brook
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Definitely, definitely keep Vial-Smasher

hasty portal
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Keep Vial.

misty geyser
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Oh right, I guess he does count towards my outlaw count

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You're corect, my bad

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I've been awake for 13 hours now, 9 of which has been spent playing commander, and 3 of it has been spent brewing commander so that's my bad lmao

mossy brook
misty geyser
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That's my ideal weekend fr

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Friday, Saturday Sunday - if those 72 hours aren't at least 37.5% magic it's less than I want to be doing

hushed tapir
misty geyser
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It pivots hard into initiative

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It was certainly better than mine I think

hushed tapir
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Yeah I added a bunch of initiative cards into my list this afternoon

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Not super happy with my removal/interaction package atm but 🤷🏻‍♂️

misty geyser
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That's the same problem I ran into

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The removal is garbage and that makes me feel so naked if I can't have like 10 or more

hushed tapir
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Fair

misty geyser
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Heh, I got a flight on Monday 11:30am, I am not looking forward to it

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Have fun with your flight though!

hushed tapir
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Thanks! It’s 12:55am here and I’ve got an Uber picking me up at 6:00 for an 8:25 flight 😅

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It’s bed time lmao

hasty portal
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Enjoy!

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And safe travels

hushed tapir
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After checking out Daedalus’ friend’s primer - they’re way more devoted to the initiative gameplay than I think I want to be - it’s more one trick pony than I think I want to be.

hushed tapir
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I swapped a couple cards around to add more removal but I’m pretty happy where my list is.

misty geyser
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okay friends, I finally got reps in with lizard man

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It still feels kinda slow, and there's definite cuts and changes that need made that became pretty glaring after giving it a few tries

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I'm going to cut [[Professional Face-Breaker]], it's not an outlaw and it's kinda useless on a gummed up board, I want to be able to do more when I'm not swinging and I think playing the board as more of a "Steal your stuff, cast some spells, hold up the rest for removal" is the best route to go with him

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misty geyser
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I won one of the three games because one of the players was a dragon typal deck so I always had an option for beaters, and the other was an izzet big spells deck, so I always had really good draw and removal

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I want the deck to win more easily without getting lucky in matchups and in draws

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part of this will involve delving more into the creatures that just so happen to be outlaws

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Oh, I forgot to mention my other cut is [[helm of awakening]], Its cute and I always love when it works but it... Just kinda sucks here

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misty geyser
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As a note, [[rag mouse]]

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misty geyser
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This card S L A P S

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Oh, I also NEED to cut all the cards that have no generic mana costs

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I had a reduction of like 3 for my entire hand and still couldn't do anything with it because I had [[bedevil]], [[molten collapse]], [[terminate]], and 4 mana rakdos

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misty geyser
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Also, Laelia needs more reps for sure but she seems kinda lackluster

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Not cutting her, just keeping an eye on her

misty geyser
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@mossy brook I'm looking through the outlaws rn

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I came across a spicy include in the form of [[orc spy]]

grand hingeBOT
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Multiple cards match “orc spy”, can you be more specific?

misty geyser
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[[orcish spy]]

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misty geyser
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You can check to see if you want to exile their top decks

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Kinda play lantern control-esque with their stuff

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Also, ragavan is sick asf in this deck

mossy brook
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misty geyser
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We don't have a lot of rogues though, I don't have a way to guarantee it

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I did put [[Butch tunnel]] in the deck for all my non-outlaw creatures in my deck

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/pip/43/butch-deloria-tunnel-snake

Butch DeLoria, Tunnel Snake <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
Tunnel Snakes Rule! — Whenever Butch DeLoria, Tunnel Snake attacks, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each other Rogue and/or Snake you control.
mana1manab: Put a menace counter on another target creature. It becomes a Rogue in addition to its other types.
2/2

misty geyser
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Plus he gives them menace which is nice

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I've got, like, 17 non outlaw creatures

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I need a spot for dockside, ugh

mossy brook
grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/215/laughing-jasper-flint

Laughing Jasper Flint <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Lizard Rogue
Creatures you control but don't own are Mercenaries in addition to their other types.
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top X cards of target opponent's library, where X is the number of outlaws you control. Until end of turn, you may cast spells from among those cards, and mana of any type can be spent to cast those spells.
4/3

mossy brook
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Yeah

misty geyser
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Oh, I suppose he is

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I guess he'd be pretty sweet as a rogue typal deck too!

mossy brook
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You can curve Blackguard into him, then get free discard in addition to the extra outlaw

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oh are you on Bitterblossom yet?

misty geyser
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Gross haha

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OH MY GOD

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NO

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OH

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OH MY GOD

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THANK YOU

mossy brook
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[[Black Market Connections]] also makes you a changeling outlaw each turn (in addition to other cool stuff)

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mossy brook
misty geyser
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That's so flavorful too!

mossy brook
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Her zombies are rogues, weirdly

misty geyser
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Holy crap

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Her zombies are rogues???

mossy brook
misty geyser
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Man I needed to do WAY more research

mossy brook
mossy brook
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three rogues in one

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Board wipe that makes rogues

misty geyser
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Consider my mind officially blown

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Thank you for the overhaul's worth of ideas haha

mossy brook
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I assume you were already running these three

misty geyser
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No.... I am not

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I do need to though

mossy brook
misty geyser
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I had a lot of research to do and it seems I have a LOT more to do

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Holy smokes lol

mossy brook
tired wind
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Outlaw tribal?

misty geyser
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Well, it's certainly shaking out to be that way

mossy brook
misty geyser
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I'd probably say no to species specialist because it's not an outlaw and the creature type won't always be consistent

mossy brook
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You should absolutely be running all the [[Animate Dead]] / [[Reanimate]] effects which can target enemy GYs

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/125/animate-dead

Animate Dead <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When Animate Dead enters the battlefield, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with Animate Dead." Return enchanted creature card to the battlefield under your control and attach Animate Dead to it. When Animate Dead leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets -1/-0.

mossy brook
misty geyser
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God dammit Roaming Throne

mossy brook
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Roaming Throne naming Rogue to copy Jasper's trigger, OR Mercenary to copy all triggers from stolen stuff?

misty geyser
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Okay, I gotta... I gotta spend some time on this

mossy brook
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Anyway 😂 my work is done for now!

misty geyser
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This is admittedly a much different direction than I was doing, but I kinda like that a lot more

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I agree

mossy brook
misty geyser
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Lmao, thanks

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Now I gotta rebuild it after I already bought like all but 10 of the cards I need for it

mossy brook
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"show up, impart deck ideas, disappear into the night"

misty geyser
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Well, I’ve jumped from 6 cards that are or produce outlaws to 20

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So I guess I’ve got you to thank Daedalus haha

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I’ve got another question - what do you think of [[dogged detective]]? Nice little surveil and he can keep coming back

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hasty portal
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Yeah definitely. Gives you a lot of information.

frail flare
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@misty geyser did you look at [[Grenzo, dungeon warden]] for Jasper?

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misty geyser
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I had not. He’s just kinda fine isnt he?

frail flare
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Maybe. I think my brain may be playing to the ceiling.

still needle
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Huh. Not super relevant but I realised Grenzo got a cool buff with [[thran vigil]] releasing.

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frail flare
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The ceiling being 4mv Rakdos and trying to figure out how he fit in

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re:the loot deck, did you go all nonland permanents (no instant or sorcery)?

misty geyser
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(The numbers are off because I have a couple that are multiple types)

misty geyser
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And if I’m casting off the top of opponent’s library I want to be able to cast as many as possible

misty geyser
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Aaaaalright, I need to find a cut for Jasper Flint for a few new things.

tired wind
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can you relink the list?

misty geyser
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Yeah, one sec

tired wind
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Orcish Spy, Heartless Summoning and Share the Spoils

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those seem the most out of place/least synergistic

misty geyser
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Ive definitey been considering heartless summoning because it kills some other cost reducers

tired wind
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it also kills some very strong cards you could steal

misty geyser
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Share the Spoils is fun, but you might be right as itd require my opponents to cast spells to put more into that pool

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I really wanna try orcish spy lol, it’s been errata’d to be a rogue so its an outlaw that lets me peek and see if i want to exile that person’s library next turn

tired wind
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the problem i have is that it just looks

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if it was look + rearange we would be having a whole other convo as that is quite busted

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but just looking doesnt help much

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sure if you have x<3 it technically shows you what you would get from one of them

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but thats a bit underwhelming

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also if your local scene uses tutors and fetches it often wont even do that

misty geyser
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Alright, you’ve convinced me

tired wind
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Heartless Summoning is my white wale, i try to find a deck to use it in all the time, and each time i have to go "no to many of my good cards have 1 toughness"

misty geyser
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Ill probably still find a copy because theyre cheap as hell and it’s cool

misty geyser
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Just big bois.deck really

tired wind
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my average cmc excluding lands is less then 3

misty geyser
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That’ll do it

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Im talking like avg cmc of 3.5+, it really launches you forward

tired wind
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yeah its a good card

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i just cant seem to build a deck it fits in

misty geyser
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There is a surprising amount of good cheap stuff that is like a 0/2 or 1/2 nowadays

still needle
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I like summoning from my experience with Accererak

tired wind
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that seems like a good deck for it yeah

frail flare
lethal river
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I play [[dream halls]] instead 😛

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lethal river
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why cast spell, when play for free?

tired wind
frail flare
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I have the same problem.

tired wind
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the only deck i could play it in would be my davros deck, but thats basically a spell slinger deck which means it doesnt do much for me

frail flare
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I have a "demon" deck and the average cmc of that is still slightly over 2

tired wind
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including or excluding lands?

frail flare
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That's including. Without it's 3.5 but I'm running [[Nightmare Shepherd]] and stuff that makes imps.

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frail flare
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Also the expensive cards are the flavor ones at the top like [[cruel entertainment]]

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tired wind
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3.5 would be my most expensive deck, but that is on the cheaper side for Demons

frail flare
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I think it's my most expensive

tired wind
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my most expensive rn is 3.3 Superfriends

lethal river
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Im always on the look out for cool stuff I could do in BeLakor

frail flare
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I haven't linked to it directly.

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OK, so my most "expensive" is my [[Ganax]] boros blink dragons deck. Without lands it's 4.02.

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frail flare
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HOWEVER it's also a sneak attack deck and each dragon makes a treasure.

misty geyser
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Does anyone have any better ideas than the cards I have for this deck? I’m trying to keep all the (non-tribal) card types in balance, and winning via stuff like [[mind worm]] and similar

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No card found for “mind worm”

misty geyser
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[[memory worm]]

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misty geyser
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I’m thinking I can do [[firebrand archer]] over [[keeper of secrets]]

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misty geyser
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Avg mana value of my cards are 3.27 without lands

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But i think being triple the mv makes it just kinda suck

frail flare
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Those are different effects though.

tired wind
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thats a bit to even i would say

frail flare
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I agree on the MV issue

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I just don't see why the one is in exchange for the other

misty geyser
tired wind
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i dont quite get why you run cruicible and conduit of worlds

misty geyser
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I am VERY likely to trigger firebrand just as often as Keeper

misty geyser
frail flare
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Why not fblthp

misty geyser
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Lots of fetches means I can utilize all the extra land drop effects that are also in the deck to great use

frail flare
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Since it gives the top of your library plot

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[[fblthp|otj]]

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misty geyser
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Didn’t think about it is all

tired wind
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yeah i see that, but i feel like you are gonna waste a lot of your lands if you do that

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cause loot lets you play lands he exiles

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so without extra land drop effects you either lose out on loot or on cruicible/conduit

misty geyser
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You’re right, in that probably drop at least one of them

frail flare
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This deck being locked to sorcery speed feels really weird

misty geyser
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I’d like to have at least one (which I think will be conduit)

tired wind
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i think you can drop both you already have Wrenn and Six

frail flare
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But I don't know how to fix that.

misty geyser
frail flare
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I can't do that...

misty geyser
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I just dgaf what happens and have fun playing cards I like

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At least the deck is pretty resilient to creature wipes

frail flare
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Your deck almost feels like it needs to lean into the theft of Mind's dilation, etc

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Those and the wands

misty geyser
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They provide more cast-from-exile

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And they’re just kinda fun lol

misty geyser
tired wind
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i assume you dont wanna go for any sorc/instants right?

misty geyser
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I could do Aetherflux

misty geyser
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I could put vedalken orrery in

tired wind
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you are in blue, leyline is better choice

frail flare
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[[direfleet daredevil]]

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misty geyser
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To make mxkale not have an aneurysm lol

misty geyser
tired wind
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valakut exploration

misty geyser
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Burn + impulse draw?

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Hmm

tired wind
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i get what you are going for, but i feel like you wont get to use the cards often because you already are exiling so much with loot

misty geyser
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That’s true

tired wind
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and its only 1-2 burn per turn reaslistically

misty geyser
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I’m mostly worried that Loot won’t be as effective as I’m hoping it will be

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In terms of exiling

frail flare
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I feel like he's got the [[Baba lysaga]] problem

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misty geyser
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Yeah, I noticed that

tired wind
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song of creation is also a decent cut

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like you wanna cast from exile

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you dont really wanna draw

misty geyser
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Awww but this is like the perfect commander for it lol

tired wind
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is it though?

misty geyser
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You won’t have a hand to discard anyway

frail flare
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[[containment construct]] with it would be the way it could maybe work

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frail flare
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never mind, it's this turn not until end of turn

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so it would just go away

tired wind
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Well you are once again either gonna lose out on the loot exiles or the cards drawn here

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i doubt you will often be able to cast both the cards you drew and the cards exiled with loot

misty geyser
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True

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Like I said, with the list I’ve got I really want to get some reps in to see how much Loot ACTUALLY draws me

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But I think you’re right

frail flare
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So, looking at what I was doing with Loot, and I'm not as far, I definitely have a lot more mana dorks.

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Also [[the thirteenth doctor]]

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misty geyser
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I had her in for a bit

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But I just didnt have that many creatures or effective combat stuff to make it useful

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I guess I could just make Loot huge

misty geyser
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misty geyser
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Or some other kind of one-sided (or at least lopsided) burn/removal

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Banditry could be good because it makes an enchantment and an artifact

tired wind
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spiteful, layline, breach are all good choices

misty geyser
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Ooh. Breach is a good one

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Always forget it’s also useful in casual lol

tired wind
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i love breach, use it as a reanimation spell in my superfriends deck

frail flare
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I appreciate Loot works with [[the belligerent]]

grand hingeBOT
tired wind
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also i would put a fellwar stone in instead of the green blue talisman

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fellwar just plays significantly better then talismans outside of very very specific situations

misty geyser
misty geyser
tired wind
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yeah i usually start all my decks wiht: Sol Ring, Arcane Signet, Fellwarstone, + applicable talismans

misty geyser
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Same for all the non-green decks for me, but I was hesitant to add all the good ones because I wanted to make sure my ramp was pseudo evenly spread so when Loot came down I ideally naturally have a couple of types out

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Plus i wanted to run all the best one drop ramp spells to get him out t2 where possible

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What do you guys think of [[Laelia]] here?

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frail flare
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She gets big fast

misty geyser
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She can get huge, yeah

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That’s my thinking

tired wind
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you could go way lighter on the creatures you run and instead go for more of a token creature strat too

misty geyser
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Well, remember I’ve got this self-imposed balance

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I just like it as a fun puzzle

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I do try to run all the best/most fun token generators here too

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I did see the recommendation of [[loyal apprentice]] and I really wanna find a slot for that

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misty geyser
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I think he’ll go in over Etali

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I was considering in for plargg and nassari but i dont have to attack with them

frail flare
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Oh...

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[[Vhal, candlekeep researcher]]

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misty geyser
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Ooooh

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That’s great

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Ack, but what to cut…

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This deck is so open-ended it’s hard to fit all the cool stuff

hasty portal
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Huh, Vhal actually does work with the Plot Mechanic well.

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Glad she found another niche.

misty geyser
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Oh! That reminds me I need to add Fblthp

frail flare
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[[Invasion of Kamigawa]] doesn't feel worth it.

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/62/invasion-of-kamigawa-rooftop-saboteurs

Invasion of Kamigawa <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Kamigawa enters the battlefield, tap target artifact or creature an opponent controls and put a stun counter on it. (If a permanent with a stun counter would become untapped, remove one from it instead.)
Defense: 4

Rooftop Saboteurs
Creature — Moonfolk Ninja
Flying
Whenever Rooftop Saboteurs deals combat damage to a player or battle, draw a card.
The pace of Kamigawa's development meant that Jin-Gitaxias's intel was already outdated when the invaders arrived.
2/3

misty geyser
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What, uhh.. what do i cut

frail flare
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Or [[invasion of vryn]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/64/invasion-of-vryn-overloaded-mage-ring

Invasion of Vryn <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Vryn enters the battlefield, draw three cards, then discard a card.
Defense: 4

Overloaded Mage-Ring
Artifact
mana1, manat, Sacrifice Overloaded Mage-Ring: Copy target spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
"On my signal, disable the safeguards. Let's blow these metal freaks right back to their own world!" —Gav Beleren, mage-ring engineer

misty geyser
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Yeah, I think now’s the point where i veer off the “completely balanced” gimmick a little bit

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Because the battles in general kinda suck

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There’s a few okay ones

frail flare
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I don't think you want them to be balanced

misty geyser
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But yeesh if some aren’t awful

frail flare
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I think you'll be happier exiling 2 cards a turn

misty geyser
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No I know, I just liked the gimmick

frail flare
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2-3

misty geyser
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But it can be a lot more effective by dropping some of the worse ones, yeah

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I am gonna keep the best ~8 probably because there are some really solid ones

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Like [[invasion of karsus]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/146/invasion-of-karsus-refraction-elemental

Invasion of Karsus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Karsus enters the battlefield, it deals 3 damage to each creature and each planeswalker.
Defense: 4

Refraction Elemental
Creature — Elemental
Ward—Pay 2 life.
Whenever you cast a spell, Refraction Elemental deals 2 damage to each opponent.
The crystal landslide stirred over the shattered forms of the Machine Legion vanguard, and then it rose and rearranged itself into an avenging colossus.
4/4

misty geyser
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Both sides are great for this deck

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And there’s a good few that make another card type too

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Like Invasion of Segovia

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Plus, it’s got a pretty sweet backside

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Thoughts on [[serum-core chimera]]? Is it too expensive to get out for how long it takes to go off?

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/one/215/serum-core-chimera

Serum-Core Chimera <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Chimera
Flying
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, put an oil counter on Serum-Core Chimera.
Remove three oil counters from Serum-Core Chimera: Draw a card. Then you may discard a nonland card. When you discard a card this way, Serum-Core Chimera deals 3 damage to target creature or planeswalker. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/4

misty geyser
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Hey y’all, I’m wanting help on lowering the curve on this deck

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There are too many 4 drops and I’d really like to replace them with something 2mv or less

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It’s a plus if it also makes treasures

frail flare
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Any restrictions based on $?

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A cheap outlaw that makes treasure I like is [[Zhentarim Bandit]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Nah, no restrictions on $

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And as a note, it doesn’t have to be an outlaw

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I’m not too worried about outlaws, just about making treasure

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To activate her ability

still needle
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As reference

misty geyser
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Beautiful

misty geyser
still needle
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I figured if I did that I'd end up with something akin to "prosper but naya", and that didn't really tickle me much since it was supposed to be fairly casual and not stormy

misty geyser
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Mine’s not so much stormy as it is utilizing the cast from exile to make my aggro creatures bigger than the rest of the table

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That way they can reliably swing in

still needle
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Seeing warsinger makes me so happy

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I've loved that card since I first saw it but have had nowhere to play it

still needle
misty geyser
still needle
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I'd have to find a cut, but I'll consider it for sure.

misty geyser
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Any commander with more than one triggered ability, especially one feeding into another, should run their panharmonicon effects

still needle
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Hm, I didn't pull one or buy one but I'll have a look for a cut JIC

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I try to have a higher density of Legends if I wanted to run Annie I feel

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Oh god it doubles cotton

frail flare
still needle
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Okay yeah I'll find space for it 😅

frail flare
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Oh that's funny with [[Gahiji]] (which is in my list)

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/657/durnan-of-the-yawning-portal

Durnan of the Yawning Portal <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever Durnan attacks, look at the top four cards of your library. You may exile a creature card from among them. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. For as long as that card remains exiled, you may cast it. That spell has undaunted. (It costs mana1 less to cast for each opponent.)
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/3

misty geyser
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I love Gahiji

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I do find Marisi to be much stronger so that’s why Gahiji isn’t in but still really good

misty geyser
frail flare
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He hasn't come up yet

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He also was one that is going to be replaced. Surrak too

misty geyser
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It just needs your creatures to hit first which is why it sounds just okay to me

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Yeah surrak seems pretty low impact

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Also what’s with the food chain combo?

frail flare
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Dino nuggets

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[[Displaced Dinosaurs]] the food tokens enter the battlefield as 7/7 dinosaurs

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Ideally that but it also kills people with [[Quintorius Kand]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/238/quintorius-kand

Quintorius Kand <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker — Quintorius
Whenever you cast a spell from exile, Quintorius Kand deals 2 damage to each opponent and you gain 2 life.
+1: Create a 3/2 red and white Spirit creature token.
−3: Discover 4.
−6: Exile any number of target cards from your graveyard. Add manar for each card exiled this way. You may play those cards this turn.
Loyalty: 4

misty geyser
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Fair

frail flare
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The dinosaurs also makes Anim Pakal's gnomes enter tapped and attacking as 7/7 dinosaurs too

still needle
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I keep forgetting to pick up anim

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Its in the online list but not paper currently

frail flare
misty geyser
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Why is Anim so good for Rocco? I get that she’s a board in a can but I don’t get what makes her so auto-include worthy.

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Is it just how quickly she builds that board in a can?

frail flare
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Rocco lets you put counters wherever

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She doesn't have to attack

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Also Rosie

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So both Rosie and Rocco can dump counters on Anim

still needle
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Both of those basically. Also makes artifact tokens

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Which for me is especially relevant

misty geyser
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True… I know it just doesn’t synergize with my particular deck, but I guess this gets into the heuristic of “Who cares if it doesn’t synergize, it just kills people”

frail flare
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How many centaurs do you make on average with [[rampage of the clans]]?

grand hingeBOT
still needle
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+8 or over my opponents usually, barring especially artifact/enchantment heavy decks opposite me

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Sometimes it's not a blowout it's just a way to clear problematic stuff and replace it with things I can just block

misty geyser
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I don’t sacrifice my foods basically ever

frail flare
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I'm just wondering at what point Impact tremors and that family make sense

misty geyser
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Hmmm true

frail flare
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Though wait

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It would have to be like [[terror of the peaks]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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because otherwise it dies

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as an enchantment

misty geyser
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Well, you do have [[witty roastmaster]] and purphoros

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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But yeah, you see what I mean though

misty geyser
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Problem is I wouldn’t play it for the specific combo, though they are just good in their own right

frail flare
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Yeah

misty geyser
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I’m thinking to add a couple x spells of each kind for more flexibility - Curse of the Swine, Drown in Dreams, Transcendent Message, etc

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Oh, I know one - Triumph of the Hordes

frail flare
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[[Mirror Entity]]?

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Technically a human.

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But you're looking for [[tribal unity]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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That’s a good one

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It doesn’t give trample though… hmm

frail flare
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[[Storm the seedcore]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Can put 4 counters on kyler

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So it's +4/+4, vigilance and trample to all humans

misty geyser
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Also the art is fucking BEAUTIFUL

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Jason Rainville really put their heart and soul into a $0.05 uncommon

frail flare
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[[slippery bogbonder]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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That's another one that's more dependent on kyler being out, but it's tech-y

frail flare
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[[wild beastmaster]] (again sadly doesn't give trample)

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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[[dragon throne of tarkir]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Ooh, I’ve always liked dragon throne

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Repeatable +3/+3 and trample is great

frail flare
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let's see if this works... [[alistair]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/who/112/alistair-the-brigadier

Alistair, the Brigadier <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you cast a historic spell, create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
Whenever Alistair attacks, you may pay mana8. If you do, creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of historic permanents you control.
3/3

frail flare
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Oh, obvious [[candlekeep inspiration]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Any plotted instants/sorceries are in exile so they count; in addition to ones that you cast with flashback

misty geyser
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Candlekeep is really cool

still needle
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Candlekeep is very powerful, though idk how well it works when you're likely to be removing the instants and sorc you need from gy via flashback

misty geyser
still needle
warm lagoon
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[[bounty agen]] and [[den protector]]

grand hingeBOT
still needle
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I love den protector so much but it doesn't quite work here

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You either cast it as a vanilla or don't get the katilier trigger

warm lagoon
grand hingeBOT
warm lagoon
still needle
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Its much much worse than lambholt

warm lagoon
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like i said cheap if you get it pumped, its not the worst creature to fight with

still needle
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This is true, I just think it'll get cut for one of the billion other humans

warm lagoon
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up to whoevers playing but i do like den protector in my bant counters deck, proliferate every turn and he can become big and unblockable, i know this is a different strategy but thats the reason it came to mind, plus i dont have lambholt yet, i am gonna have to start buying over the internet

warm lagoon
grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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Most $ Expensive overrun [[Akroma's Will]]

grand hingeBOT
frail flare
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[[$akroma's will]] (LCI commander print is in the dinosaur deck)

grand hingeBOT
warm lagoon
grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/67/slickshot-lockpicker

Slickshot Lockpicker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Rogue
When Slickshot Lockpicker enters the battlefield, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Plot mana2manau (You may pay mana2manau and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
2/3

misty geyser
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He’s cool but I’d probably still just run [[snapcaster mage]]

grand hingeBOT
warm lagoon
misty geyser
frail flare
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That is very stompy

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I'm surprised you aren't running [[noble heritage]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/35/noble-heritage

Noble Heritage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "When this creature enters the battlefield and at the beginning of your upkeep, each player may put two +1/+1 counters on a creature they control. For each opponent who does, you gain protection from that player until your next turn." (You can't be targeted, dealt damage, or enchanted by anything controlled by that player.)

misty geyser
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Not a bad idea for sure

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Though i don’t really need much help making my creatures bigger

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Just need help casting more of them more often

frail flare
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True. It's just another political piece like the 2nd doctor

misty geyser
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My hard stop is [[trinisphere]] lmao

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Oh diggity dang I need to find a spot for [[apex devastator]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/217/apex-devastator

Apex Devastator <:mana8:292901508830330880><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Chimera Hydra
Cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order. Multiple instances of cascade each trigger separately.)
10/10

frail flare
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It's in the list

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I'm assuming you made the swap like instantly

misty geyser
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Yeah lol

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My “recent history” section should show my cuts and adds

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I am second guessing [[chromatic orrery]], feel like it could be some kind of cascade

grand hingeBOT
lethal river
misty geyser
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Ay yo it’s time for more brews!

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I’m making [[sorin house markov]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/245/sorin-of-house-markov-sorin-ravenous-neonate

Sorin of House Markov <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Noble
Lifelink
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay manawb. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
At the beginning of your postcombat main phase, if you gained 3 or more life this turn, exile Sorin of House Markov, then him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
1/4

Sorin, Ravenous Neonate
Legendary Planeswalker — Sorin
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay manawb. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
+2: Create a Food token.
−1: Sorin, Ravenous Neonate deals damage equal to the amount of life you gained this turn to any target.
−6: Gain control of target creature. It becomes a Vampire in addition to its other types. Put a lifelink counter on it if you control a white permanent other than that creature or Sorin.
Loyalty: 3

misty geyser
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With Lurrus as the companion

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Here’s what I got so far, I feel like I’m gonna need a lot of card draw and removal in this one

tired wind
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thats a deck idea after my own heart

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[[Lotho, corr]]

grand hingeBOT
tired wind
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Dauthi Voidwalker

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Bowmasters obviously

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if you wanna go an aristocrats route i can recommend [[Weatherlight Comple]]

grand hingeBOT
tired wind
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Animate Dead, Dance of the Dead, and Chthonian Nightmare are insane Lurrus cards if you have any plan of using reanimation

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@misty geyser you put crypt ghast in, thats 4 cmc

misty geyser
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Ah shoot, good catch

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Thanks

misty geyser
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For now, the deck is effectively just goodstuff with lots of card draw so I can feed extort

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But I’ll definitely include a bunch of reanimation to utilize my opponent’s big stuff

tired wind
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A lot of the cards you are putting in do seem good in a vacuum but i dont see much of a life gain theme unless you just wanna storm off, but for that its a bit much on cards that need to stay around for a cylcle

misty geyser
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Cards that need to stick around typically do in my pods, it’s uncommon to expect a board wipe every turn

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Plus don’t try to keep me from running bob I beg of you

tired wind
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I love Bob

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I play bob

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Seal of Doom is also 3 cmc (in enchantments)

misty geyser
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Ah dangit

tired wind
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Soul-Guide-Lantern is my mvp in Lurrus lists

misty geyser
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Soul guide is a good one

tired wind
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Ransack the Lab is one of the best draw spells for grave decks in recent times

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[[Call of the Death-Dweller]] is also insane value for lurrus, especially if you bring something like Bowmasters back and turn every ping into a kill

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Ooooh I like that

tired wind
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[[Unearth]] is also just efficient af

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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I’m not necessarily going turbo reanimator but frankly anything that gets me doing more stuff is welcome

tired wind
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Angelic Renewal and Kaya's Ghostform can act as pseudo hexproof or combo pieces if you go for a sac combo

misty geyser
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Not a fan of combos

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But those are really good

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I’ve got two slots left before I need to start making cuts - seeing as sorin’s transform is required , what can we do to protect him once he’s flipped?

tired wind
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I also dont go combo lines (unless its an obscure 4+ card combo then its like if i draw it i draw it)

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I dont think you actually wanna protect him if hes flipped

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people punching him are gonna help you

misty geyser
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I mean, he is technically a lot more effective as a walker than as a creature

tired wind
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cause recasting and reflipping him (or reanimating him) is faster to get another "shoot you for lifegain" then taking a turn off to uptick

misty geyser
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Because his -1 can deal a lot

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Ah, I see

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That’s true

tired wind
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i love his -1, its so good

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cant believe its -1

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that effect should be -2

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Phyrexian Reclemation might also be worth it

misty geyser
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Too late now, It’s busted 😈

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I considered phy rec

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Repeatability is good

tired wind
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if you are doing actual aristocrats things i dont think its worth it, if you are value town/storm/soulsisters I think its worth an inclusion

misty geyser
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That’s pretty much what I’m doing

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I considered soul sisters but I figured they might be win more when I could just be extorting more

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Not to mention I don’t actually have the ability to get a crazy number of triggers on soul sisters

tired wind
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yeah thats fair, unless you really focus on them it would be hard

misty geyser
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I am now at 66 cards with no lands

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Anything more and I gotta make cuts

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But tbh I like where this is at

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Feels very stormy/doing a lot of stuff

tired wind
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Aether Vial might be a bit of a nonbo, it doesnt make an extort trigger

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the sac a creature ritual is also probably a good include

misty geyser
finite heart
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honestly I don't think there's anything I could add to the discussion.

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I did see that Keen Duelist, that might be a bit more downside than upside considering the average mana value of your deck, but I'm not sure what would do the job better than her.

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Like I was thinking [[arguel's blood fast]] but that entirely depends on how you prefer your costs to be paid.

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/xln/90/arguels-blood-fast-temple-of-aclazotz

Arguel's Blood Fast <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Enchantment
mana1manab, Pay 2 life: Draw a card.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you have 5 or less life, you may transform Arguel's Blood Fast.
Arguel's vision led him into the jungles of Ixalan . . .

Temple of Aclazotz
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Arguel's Blood Fast.)
manat: Add manab.
manat, Sacrifice a creature: You gain life equal to the sacrificed creature's toughness.
. . . to the lost temple of a bat-god of night, eternal enemy to the Threefold Sun.

finite heart
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oh, you're already running it 🤡

misty geyser
# finite heart oh, you're already running it 🤡

All good haha, I appreciate checking anyway. Yeah the deck is primarily going to be goodstuff-y just by virtue of extort being broke as fuck allowing me to just kinda go off and run cool stuff instead of needing to run ways to win the game haha

finite heart
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you did a really good job.

misty geyser
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I’m thinking the only two weaker cards in the deck I’m noticing are [[dawn of hope]] and [[griffin aerie]] as they are just… real low impact

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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I might be tempted to run some other, possibly better card draw and maybe just run bitterblossom in place of the aerie

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If not bitterblossom, then perhaps just more draw

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Can’t go wrong with more card draw or removal in a deck like this

finite heart
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yess.
bitterblossom price fell soo hard after Wilds

misty geyser
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I also considered running more things with extort

finite heart
#

[[$bitterblossom]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/69/bitterblossom

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misty geyser
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I run it in so many decks lol

misty geyser
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Sorin took a game today!! It was all luck but I’m counting it! Haha

misty geyser
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So, something I've noticed with the deck is that it honestly could do with a good few more board wipes

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I didn't realize how quickly it would happen but Sorin, if you're playing a 4 player game, will literally always flip by turn 3 at the latest

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And I really don't care much about having creatures, other than value stuff

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But with the amount of reanimation I cba

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So stuff meant to protect my creatures is just kinda useless

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I can really use more removal period, having an answer consistently is extremely useful

frail flare
misty geyser
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Well, my reasoning with that is that I need to assume he's a planeswalker for this deck, not a creature

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which is what I was stupidly doing the whole time

frail flare
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Ahh

misty geyser
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I'm currently working with someone on a [[coram]] deck but I will definitely be re-tuning Sorin very soon

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/7/coram-the-undertaker

Coram, the Undertaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Coram, the Undertaker gets +X/+0, where X is the greatest power among creature cards in all graveyards.
Whenever Coram attacks, each player mills a card.
During each of your turns, you may play a land and cast a spell from among cards in graveyards that were put there from libraries this turn.
0/5

bronze heath
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i don't really like coram as much as the goyf tribal commander thats gonna be released in the same precon

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btw guess who found some spicy new includes for the necrobloom

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its me

bronze heath
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@misty geyser would it be bad to put in [[overlaid terrain]] in the necrobloom as a joke?

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Hmmm

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It could be spicy

bronze heath
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lol

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YES I DID IT

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THE DECK IS COMPLETED

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and it only costs $611

misty geyser
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Heck yeah

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Nice work homie

bronze heath
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indeed

misty geyser
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I’ll put it here too so I can talk about the cards from MH3 I’m putting into it, and potentially go through my other decks too

bronze heath
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yooooo lord of extinction is so good in the deck

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what if they block though?

misty geyser
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I eat a creature

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I do have a good few trample lords

hushed tapir
grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/c20/2/haldan-avid-arcanist

Haldan, Avid Arcanist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Partner with Pako, Arcane Retriever (When this creature enters the battlefield, target player may put Pako into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
You may play lands and cast noncreature spells from among cards you exiled that have fetch counters on them, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast those spells.
1/4

misty geyser
hushed tapir
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There’s 50 lands! He’d never hurt anyone

misty geyser
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Mhmm

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Little guy turns into a 9/9 in two swings

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One of which happening the turn he comes down

hushed tapir
misty geyser
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Mhm

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It’s pretty cool though!

queen siren
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Doing super budget builds is fun. I made a 25$ deck list not too long ago that slaps

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Also temur, funnily enough

hushed tapir
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Nice

misty geyser
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Okay, so here’s some changes I made for Coram after theorycrafting:

Somberwald Sage —> Selvala, Heart of the Wilds (Lower Floor, much much higher ceiling with card draw attached)

Exocrine —> Druid of Purification (After discussions I’ve had with people I’ve realized I don’t need hardly any creature based wipes, but more ways to deal with pesky artifacts and enchantments is really helpful)

Rakdos, Patron of Chaos —> Stormkeld Vanguard//Bear Down (Still removal, but for artifacts and enchantments attached to a big mostly unblockable body for 6 mana)

Mycotyrant —> Old Gnawbone (Who doesn’t love the ‘bone, also Mycotyrant’s P/T would basically always be 0 in the yard so)

Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant —> Goblin Anarchomancer (I need more early ramp, but also with my draw mostly being done via mill Ghalta becomes less and less useful)

Erinis, Gloom Stalker —> Moritvore (I think Erinis is cute more than they are useful, and I saw Moritvore play out to great effect during a gameplay episode so I figured I’d chuck it in)

Gitrog, Ravenous Ride —> Vorinclex (I don’t really care to sacrifice my creatures, but this one’s a shaky change because I am pretty interested in gitrog’s explosivity. Definitely the change I’m keeping an eye on currently)

Blossoming Tortoise —> Ignoble Hierarch (4 mana for one land a turn is rough, even if he mills 4 to do it. I also need more early ramp and hierarch should’ve been in the deck yesterday)

Forest —> Disciple of Freyalise

Luxury Suite, Rakdos Carnarium, Blood Crypt —> woodland cemetery + two more green lands (change history gets messy here but my deck is like 80% green so having red and black be tied to guaranteed green sources is pretty helpful)

Azusa, Lost but Seeking —> Dryad of the Ilysian Grove (tons of lands is nice and all, but only being able to play one land from grave means I’m only realistically expecting to play two lands a turn, and the fixing on dryad is really nice)

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Mountain —> Grist, Voracious Larva (got got by tags and realized I have 37 lands in the deck and wanted to stick with 36, Grist is tokens, mill, naturalize and a win con all on a 1 mana body that’s insanely easy to flip with Coram, that’s a shoe in)

Cemetery Prowler —> Bramble Familiar (7 Mana Value train attached to a cheap dork is better than a sometimes grave hate that sometimes reduces cost for 3 mana)

bronze heath
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@misty geyser I need help. I just figured out how good Uro is with [[primal prayers]]

grand hingeBOT
bronze heath
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need to make a deck around it rn

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plez help

misty geyser
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Unless you have a way to flicker it Uro is kinda useless

queen siren
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I mean, with primal prayers you can play him from the command zone for just energy + taxes

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Which is nifty

bronze heath
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no its not

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yeah

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thats the best part

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do you still need to pay commander tax?

queen siren
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Yes

bronze heath
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fudge

queen siren
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Tax is an additional cost

bronze heath
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are you allowed to swear in this server?

bronze heath
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i already had so many cool infinite combos :/

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challenge of the day: make a cool patron of the moon deck

queen siren
bronze heath
misty geyser
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One more change for the Coram deck:

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Forest --> [[Gitrog, Ravenous Ride]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/206/the-gitrog-ravenous-ride

The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Frog Horror Mount
Trample, haste
Whenever The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice a creature that saddled it this turn. If you do, draw X cards, then put up to X land cards from your hand onto the battlefield tapped, where X is the sacrificed creature's power.
Saddle 1
6/5

misty geyser
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I realize that sacrificing Coram himself to Gitrog's trigger will almost always rebuy (and exceed) the commander tax, which means you're drawing a TON of cards and getting a full rebate back on your commander

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So, like, Coram sacrificed with a [[lord of extinction]] in the yard? C H E F ' S K I S S

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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So, some notes after goldfishing - Umori is incredibly useful for rocketing forward to more powerful turns. Cost reducers help a TON in this deck because double spelling big, impactful spells is extremely good. This should’ve been obvious but Mill is also extremely good as it effectively impulse draws that card in a way that I can still interact with, so I’ll definitely consider adding more.

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I’m starting to think the Boneyard Wurm typal isn’t going to pan out as I hope but that has given me some good ideas and direction changes to go

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I’m looking into some creatures that wheel me, like [[ox of agonas]] so I can get creatures in the yard to bring back or use for other things while still refilling my hand

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Discard effects are good due to having stuff like Brawn, anger, and a couple of dredge cards.

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Having a good base of cheap mana dorks is extremely effective at launching into stuff like more cost reducers and some important draw pieces. [[outcaster trailblazer]] is N U T S

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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I might lean more into the “power 4 or greater” theme

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But most of those cards are noncreature… hmm

misty geyser
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Here’s what I’ve got so far

dense wadi
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Oh Karona lol

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That’s a hilarious and apropos choice

misty geyser
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It was a good shout, I forgot it was a thing

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Oh! And @devout vine if you’re interested

dense wadi
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I dig it

molten geode
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hi im pell im in the decklist thread

dense wadi
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Hi Pell

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Would [[pip boy]] be funny here

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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I guess I CAN go the goad route

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Run all the vows and such

molten geode
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you should for sure run goad cards

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also, yeah, the pip boy is good here

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untap 8 lands per round sounds great

devout vine
grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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It would be really funny

dense wadi
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Would you include Zedruu in this since you’re 5C?

misty geyser
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Hmm

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[[zedruu]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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I suppose it wouldn’t be a bad idea but with Slicer-style effects it comes back to me each turn

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I need more ramp ideas, I’m thinking of sticking with lands though

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Like land ramp

dense wadi
misty geyser
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I put it in anyway because karona works with him

devout vine
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also throw in a [[Homeward Path]]-type effect or two as a safety valve

grand hingeBOT
dense wadi
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Wait can I mention an oddball possibility here

misty geyser
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Sure

dense wadi
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It was [[auntie blyte]]

grand hingeBOT
dense wadi
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But she says control not own

misty geyser
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What are the best goad auras? I want to run some, not all of them but a few of the best can be good

dense wadi
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[[ghoulish impetus]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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Ooh yeah

dense wadi
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Parasitic and Shiny are also good

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Of the impetus stuff

misty geyser
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The vows are mid

dense wadi
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There’s also [[The Rani]] for synergy

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/who/149/the-rani

The Rani <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Time Lord Scientist
Whenever The Rani enters the battlefield or attacks, create a red Aura enchantment token named Mark of the Rani attached to another target creature. That token has enchant creature and "Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 and is goaded."
Whenever a goaded creature deals combat damage to one of your opponents, investigate.
3/4

misty geyser
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She’s in there

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I also added [[promise of loyalty]]

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
misty geyser
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I finally finished the deck, I think it needs tuning but there was a shocking amount of directions I can go

misty geyser
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Hey y’all, I decided to spend some time updating my Tymna//Malcolm casual Femboy Farm list. Peep the change history for list of changes I’ve made and feel free to let me know your thoughts about cuts/cards to consider!

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UrqV5Qqp4kOG7H84CP7ijQ

Moxfield
The Flying Sirens - Commander (Tymna the Weaver / Malcolm, Keen-Eye...

This is a casual take on a cEDH list - Tymna//Malcolm Farm. Its engine is similar to the cEDH deck, where you get in a with evasive creatures to draw tons of cards and have a lot of removal at your disposal. The difference is, we don’t have a combo that we go for - instead, we win via the engine ...

misty geyser
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@molten geode what should I cut for psychic frog?

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Decklist is above^

molten geode
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looter ilkor?

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do we care about our graveyard here? this is an immediate first look

misty geyser
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Well, if we have frog I’d have another that does

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I have a few individual pieces that care, but past that not really

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I’ve got, like, sneaky snacker for instance

molten geode
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what's soul's attendant in here for

misty geyser
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Just some extra lifegain to offset tymna life loss, plus the deck intends to survive to like.. turn 10 or so, since it kills so slowly

molten geode
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actually wait

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Spyglass Siren.

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Final answer.

misty geyser
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Issa pirate for malcolm ;-;

molten geode
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1 mana 1/1 make a map is definitely worse than psychic frog.

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oh

misty geyser
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That’s a fair take though

molten geode
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tormented soul then

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a 1 mana 1/1 that doesn't do anything else is probably the cut for the frog

misty geyser
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It pains me to do that but you might be right

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I just love the lil’ dude

molten geode
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you have a pretty high density of 1 drops anyway

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i mean it's really either that or looter, right?

misty geyser
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Right, and I do like looter more

molten geode
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i think those are the worst two cards in the deck

misty geyser
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RIP to my homeboy

molten geode
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if i may give an additional suggestion, finding room for a lotus petal might be valuable at some point

misty geyser
molten geode
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rip the homie

misty geyser
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Iirc the deck had a lotus petal in it for a while but 1 card for 1 treasure token isn’t really worth it

molten geode
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wait actually

misty geyser
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And if I wanted fast mana I’d just run chrome mox

molten geode
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are you more attached to that or triton shorestalker

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they're basically interchangable shorestalker isnt a pirate

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and i thought it was

molten geode
misty geyser
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I’m ngl, even though it’s pretty much strictly better I’m least attracted to slither blade

molten geode
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do it then

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it should really just be one of the unblockable 1 mana guys, doesnt really matter which

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slitherblade is mostly good since it doesnt get bopped by bowmaster but if you'd prefer to keep the other two then do it

misty geyser
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I’m also trying to temper the # of 2 drops I bring in but it seems like that slot is just getting tastier and tastier

molten geode
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i mean, psychic frog is just kinda crazy

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it's so good for this deck

misty geyser
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I also need to find 2 more slots for 2 more additions: hexproof birb and better looter il kor

molten geode
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does literally everything you could possibly want in this deck for a 2 drop

misty geyser
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I think looter il kor is the obvious replacement for the latter

molten geode
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im really shocked you're not running the zombie ninja with this high of an evasive creature count

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but i guess the mana cost is kinda high and that makes things tricky

misty geyser
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Oh yeah, [[fallen shinobi]]?

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/226/fallen-shinobi

Fallen Shinobi <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Ninja
Ninjutsu mana2manaumanab (mana2manaumanab, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever Fallen Shinobi deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles the top two cards of their library. Until end of turn, you may play those cards without paying their mana costs.
5/4

molten geode
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yeah this thing

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card's really nuts and it's dirt cheap

misty geyser
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4 mana needs to be absolutely fucking nuts for this deck for me to run it

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And considering it only hits once in my deck

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Eh

molten geode
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does it only ever hit once?

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i guess if something isnt unblockable it will be the only thing that isn't unblockable

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and thus always get blocked

misty geyser
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I mean I have some ways to give evasion? But if I don’t have that it’s a 4 mana steal two cards

molten geode
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i mean we may be forgetting this is also just a 5/4

misty geyser
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Damn, so it is

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I had considered some kind of ninja package for the deck

molten geode
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honestly if no other ninja there's that one

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and maybe sakashima's student if you own one

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would not suggest paying current price

misty geyser
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I don’t have one, but I see where you’re at with that

molten geode
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$20 is way too much for that card lmao

misty geyser
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Maybe Yuriko? I mean if I’m gonna run dudes that draw cards she’s like the de facto one

misty geyser
molten geode
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yuriko could be playable in here, she's not gonna do a ton of damage but you need damage

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yeah, Sakashima's Student is $18.75.

misty geyser
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I don’t necessarily need damage

molten geode
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I am VERY MUCH considering picking it up.

misty geyser
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I just need to hit more :3

molten geode
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KEKW fair

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yeah i mean those are the three ninjas i'd consider

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student, yuriko, and fallen shinobi

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student seems incredible in this deck

misty geyser
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That was basically the whole theory behind the deck, just make Femboy Farm and replace the combos and fast mana with more removal and evasive dudes

misty geyser
molten geode
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probably not your own stuff

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obviously docksides if you see them, but also just big stuff from other people, otherwise copying Seasoned Dungeoneer is a quick way to end a game

misty geyser
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I’m not a fan of relying on other people’s cards to be good, but copying Dunegoneer has proven very very good in the past

molten geode
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yeah, i literally just nearly won with that line last night

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made 4 dungeoneers and punched someone for 20

misty geyser
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I just love that, technically, it’s an evasive creature

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It also makes tymna unblockable

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I am going on this kick of giving other creatures evasion, because tymna swinging in for damage is really really good

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And once I have two of those it’s kinda redundant currently

molten geode
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😄

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Well, I'm glad to give you some things to think about in exchange!

misty geyser
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Now I need to figure out what I could change out for the ninja package

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😭

dense wadi
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Wingcrafter, Snacker, Will o Wisp, and Mausoleum Wanderer all feel like maybe they’re avenues for making room for ninjas

molten geode
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Sneaky Snacker is so good though froggers

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since it comes back literally every turn once tymna's in play

dense wadi
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I kinda operate off the idea the commander will often be dead

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There’s not really bad cards in Umarus deck tbf

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These are just what I see as some of the lower hanging fruit

misty geyser
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Also I literally just added will o wisp so RIP

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I put it in when taking [[drana liberator]] out because the anthem worked right away rather than the turn after I play it

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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And it gave some ammo to my opponents

dense wadi
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oop

clear needle
misty geyser
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Himouto! Umaru-Chan R was honestly so good up until the albino mf showed up

lethal river
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I really like the idea of this evasive deck to utilise tymna

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I have most of the cards and might deconstruct my yuriko list to make it. (all my small evasive creatures are over there)

misty geyser
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If you want to keep it low power i recommend not trying to scope creep yourself out of your mind. For one thing, that’s what I did and it devolved into a hot mess. For another, I intended for the deck to have a TON of removal while still being low powered so it sits right in that range

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If a card isn’t an evasive creature or removal, we don’t want it

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I think if you wanted to power the deck up, some key equipment designed ti make creatures huge would be really beneficial, or even an overall equipment package

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Couple swords, ways to continually pump creatures, etc

lethal river
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Nah I like the idea of having a pile of removal and a bunch of small dudes

misty geyser
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It’s honestly been a great change from regular commander where you’re running all the best big dudes or staples, it’s been fun discussing liiiiitle incremental value changes, and it’s always fun evaluating all the unblockable dudes that come out nearly every set

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You come to realize there are a lot of them that give great card advantage

frail flare
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Do you think you'll be trying the new flying clone?

misty geyser
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Which one is that?

frail flare
misty geyser
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I haven’t been caught up with the spoilers very well

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Ah. Eh

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I’d rather just run another unblockable dude

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Because that’s effectively what this is

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And we’re starting to run into the problem of “just an unblockable 1/1” is becoming more and more unacceptable

frail flare
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I guess it's because I looked at it as "copy of whichever the other best unblockable creature is"

misty geyser
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Right, and I could also see it used as a way to punch up a bit by copying some other player’s broken thing

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If it washed the legendary typing, it’d 100% go in

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Another copy of tymna that also has flying would be perfect for the deck, at 3 mana too. I know [[Irenicus’s vile dupl]] is a card but 4 mana is a hard sell

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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And it only copies a creature you control

frail flare
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Somehow I've read that card multiple times and only have seen now that it gives flying

misty geyser
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Yeah lol, it’s a favorite bit of text for me

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I will definitely keep mocking bird in mind though, and evaluate how often it’d be useful to have

misty geyser
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This isn’t 100% accurate to the paper list but it’s close

clear needle
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Hey Umaru I am a new commander player and wanted to craft a Grixis deck, any cool commanders you would suggest for casual play?

misty geyser
clear needle
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i like to draw cards!

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and then hopefully play them

misty geyser
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Have you tried [[nekusar]]?

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/349/nekusar-the-mindrazer

Nekusar, the Mindrazer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Wizard
At the beginning of each player's draw step, that player draws an additional card.
Whenever an opponent draws a card, Nekusar, the Mindrazer deals 1 damage to that player.
His enemies wondered if the lich king's brutal death and unnatural rebirth had been his plan all along.
2/4

misty geyser
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The whole table gets to draw cards! at a price

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[[kess dissident mage]] is one I still need to figure out

grand hingeBOT
misty geyser
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As for partners, teveshszat is a great black partner with any izzet partner

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Tevesh Kraum is cool

clear needle
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i havent tried anything bro i only have 3 decks and 2 of them were precons 💀

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yeah! kess and nekusar were what i was thinking about

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i tried to make a tetsuo, imperial champion deck but it doesnt feel great so im scrapping it into a grixus base and a voltron base

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so i can have 4 decks 😄

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dang the flavor text on nekusar is so badass

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"His enemies wondered if the lich king's brutal death and unnatural rebirth had been his plan all along."

misty geyser
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Yup, Nekusar is awesome

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[[tevesh szat doom of]] and [[kraum ludevic’s]]

grand hingeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/153/tevesh-szat-doom-of-fools

Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Szat
+2: Create two 0/1 black Thrull creature tokens.
+1: You may sacrifice another creature or planeswalker. If you do, draw two cards, then draw another card if the sacrificed permanent was a commander.
−10: Gain control of all commanders. Put all commanders from the command zone onto the battlefield under your control.
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools can be your commander.
Partner
Loyalty: 4

misty geyser
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That’s a good partner pair too