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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Permanents you control have "Ward—Sacrifice a permanent."
Each artifact card in your graveyard has unearth 
. (: Return the card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step or if it would leave the battlefield. Unearth only as a sorcery.)
4/4
Legendary Creature — Demon
You can't cast this spell unless an opponent lost life this turn.
Flying, trample
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast for each 1 life your opponents have lost this turn.
6/6
Legendary Creature — Human Warlock Bard
Whenever Totentanz, Swarm Piper or another nontoken creature you control dies, create a 1/1 black Rat creature token with "This creature can't block."
: Target attacking Rat you control gains deathtouch until end of turn.
Among the rats, he found the acceptance the human world never gave him.
2/3
glacial cradle
Chainer's prolly the one that fits the same vibe the most
I've heard Olivia is pretty solid. Mishra seems really unique but not very strong.
I'd prolly go chainer or one of those
zealous ferry
Totentanz easily just ends up as a combo deck
jovial tinsel
you could look at BRx commanders and try color trimming or whatever it’s called
static spire
you could look at BRx commanders and try color trimming or whatever it’s called
Color cropping!
static spire
Chainer's prolly the one that fits the same vibe the most
Yeah, I might mess around with Chainer. I recently took apart my Araumi deck (which I'm missing) and I'm sad I no longer have a deck to properly use Breach, so maybe some kind of self-mill Chainer list might work. If nothing else, I could keep Kroxa in the 99, which would be nice
bleak stirrup
[[Syrix]] is an interesting one, especially if you go phoenix light
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zealous ferry
Chainer is one of those cards I find really neat and I keep wanting to build.
I think it happily could take over for Kroxa.
thin kayak
In Yenna, why candelabra and the similar effects? Did I totally miss something?
static spire
In Yenna, why candelabra and the similar effects? Did I totally miss something?
The Candelabra (and similar untap effects) go berserk with either lands like Sanctum, or lands which have been enchanted by stuff like [[Overgrowth]] / [[Market Festival]] (since Yenna doubles those land auras at a mana neutral rate)
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant land
Whenever enchanted land is tapped for mana, its controller adds an additional 
.
"Let the forest spread! From salt, stone, and fen, let the new trees rise." —Molimo, maro-sorcerer
thin kayak
Oh mah gawd. I didnt even consider that.
static spire
The deck doesn’t need Candelabra to function for the record. It’s just like a hasty version of the untap creatures (which also sometimes mana fixes if I have too much colorless)
thin kayak
No no of course not, no deck ever needs reserved list stuff, its just nice to have.
static spire
[[Serra’s Sanctum]], I mean
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Legendary Land
: Add 
for each enchantment you control.
A fragile cocoon of dreaming will.
thin kayak
Yeah that goes hard with candelabra effects
static spire
I need to update the primer sometime soon
static spire
Yeah that goes hard with candelabra effects
Land-untappers are great with lands that tap for a bunch of mana — and Candelabra (and to a lesser degree MAGUS of the Candelabra) are the best land untappers because they can untap ALL your big mana lands
thin kayak
Does yenna put a lot of creatures out too?
Coz Cradle would be the next land id be staring at.
(assuming its not there already)
static spire
I’ve considered Cradle, I’ll admit, but the deck only makes a bunch of creatures in some games (or once I’m already pretty far ahead). I’ve considered pulling in a more creature token heavy direction before to serve Earthcraft (which is utterly nutty when a basic land can tap for 7+, by the way)
static spire
Does anyone here have a Chainer deck? The red-black version.
I'm taking @ebon void 's suggestion and trying that over Kroxa
...uh, sorry, wrong person. @zealous ferry 😅
zealous ferry
LOL
hazy nimbus
Changing my name to MxSeraphim to make it worse /hj
static spire
I summon thee, @zealous ferry . How can I use [[Bringer of the Last Gift]] to perform infinite loops in Chainer?
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zealous ferry
Infinitenliving death loops?
static spire
I think there's SOME kind of combo with [[Sacrifice]] and [[Revolutionist]] and sac outlets, since once Chainer dies and returns, the "once per turn" restriction is lifted.
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Add an amount of equal to the sacrificed creature's mana value.
Creature — Human Wizard
When Revolutionist enters the battlefield, return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand.
Madness 
(If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
3/3
zealous ferry
You also have [[burnt offering]]
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Add X mana in any combination of and/or , where X is the sacrificed creature's mana value.
"My foes serve me twice: in dying, and in death." —Lim-Dûl, the Necromancer
static spire
But it's not QUITE there
zealous ferry
Hmm I wonder if [[technomancer|nec]]
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Creature — Human Wizard
When Ruthless Technomancer enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice another creature you control. If you do, create a number of Treasure tokens equal to that creature's power.
, Sacrifice X artifacts: Return target creature card with power X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. X can't be 0.
2/4
zealous ferry
No, that isn't enough
static spire
That might do it, actually! Hold on
zealous ferry
Rowan cost reducing
static spire
(I'm in DND, can't think properly right now)
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Enchantment
Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, you lose 1 life and add .
"'Davvol, blast those elves.' 'Davvol, transport those troops.' No one cares that today is my birthday."
zealous ferry
Sorry... I'm watching something at the same time too so trying to see where it's feeling. 8 is difficult
Could you cloudstone curio loop? That's so many pieces then
And no, would have needed Pennine really
static spire
Oh hey, this is the 6000th comment in this thread 😂
static spire
Okay, so
I'm trying to find janky infinite combos in Chainer
By merging the graveyard-focused combos I run in Kroxa and the graveyard-focused combos I ran in Araumi
Here's what I can think of so far:
glacial cradle
Ya ever think Dockside might be kinda busted?
static spire
Might be! Just a tiny!
Time for me to go into brewing mode, to see how I can merge various Saw in Half shenanigans with Breach and Bringer of the Last Gift and Burnt Offering.
static spire
Yawgmoth + Out of the Tombs + empty library + Kroxa in GY
Hoarding Broodlord --> Saw in Half --> two new Broodlords go for Burnt Offering and Living Death / Wake the Dead (or similar lines with Razaketh)
Breach + Stitcher's Supplier + Culling the Weak
Bringer of the Last Gift + sac outlet + Chainer + mana source (such as Pitiless Plunderer) + draw source
Revolutionist + Victimize + Dockside + sac outlet
Surly Badgersaur + Breach + Wheel (+ possibly Bowmasters)
Corpse Dance + Dockside + sac outlet
Bringer of the Last Gift + Chainer + Sacrifice = pay B and discard a card to Living Death repeatedly
Kroxa + Altar of Dementia + Dockside + Breach
Chainer + Apprentice Necromancer + Doomed Necromancer + Pitiless Plunderer
static spire
Oh! Technomancer loops, how did I forget those
SO
good news
I've come up with a list which seems really sincerely fun -- assuming all the pieces work together right, which admittedly they might not
the BAD news
is that it's already 130 cards, and I haven't even put as many self-mill sources as I want
can anyone help with some cuts?
glacial cradle
The name
static spire
The *name*
hey, it's a good song
Note to self: possibly consider [[Conspiracy Theorist]] and/or [[Efreet Flamepainter]] here
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Creature — Human Shaman
Whenever Conspiracy Theorist attacks, you may pay and discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
Whenever you discard one or more nonland cards, you may exile one of them from your graveyard. If you do, you may cast it this turn.
2/2
glacial cradle
Things I am questioning: Big Game Hunter(This card takes me back to my Hearthstone days), Magar, Revolutionist, Shadowgrange archfiend, Undead Butler, Undercity Informer, maybe trim one of the many ritual/sacrifice effects, Oversold Cemetary
A lot of those are madness hits, which I understand are very nice with Chainer, but I'm not sure they're worth it even so
static spire
Things I am questioning: Big Game Hunter(This card takes me back to my Hearthsto...
I'm about to get some sleep, but Revolutionist is important to several of the combo lines I'm trying to do
I've always just found Big Game Hunter to be really solid tbh
some of the others could definitely get cut yeah
I'm just concerned I don't have enough ways to fill GY
(suggestions appreciated for self-mill in Rakdos!)
or looting
rich goblet
[[cemetery tampering]], [[mesmeric orb]]?
static spire
[[cemetery tampering]], [[mesmeric orb]]?
Definitely both good options! I have found Cemetery Tampering to be a bit slow, though -- and I really like [[Out of the Tombs]]
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static spire
Hey, anyone online to help me make some cuts?
In the next 35 minutes, I need to find slots for the following:
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Creature — Human Artificer
Artifacts your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.
, Sacrifice Dauntless Dismantler: Destroy each artifact with mana value X.
To their dismay, Brazen Coalition explorers soon found that the Oltec were not impressed by cannons.
1/4
Temple of Civilization
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation.)
: Add .
, : Transform Temple of Civilization. Activate only if you attacked with three or more creatures this turn and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec life. Ojer Taq taught them how to live together.
static spire
I'm thinking Bitter Ordeal, Eldrazi Monument, and/or Bolas's Citadel for Teysa cuts, though it will raise her CMC a little.
Ugh, I probably should cut Damn but I have a cool misprint.
Okay, let's try cutting Damn and Bitter Ordeal for now.
If I end up missing either of these, I could always cut Rammas Echor if it doesn't work well in practice.
Aw, heck, I also forgot I needed to add Lotho 😠
Let's cut Citadel for that.
Summary: Bitter Ordeal, Damn, Citadel OUT. Ojer Taq, Unstable Glyphbridge, and Lotho IN.
That keeps me exactly neutral on mana value while adding more ramp, which I like.
Gonna try Malcolm > Delighted Halfling in Roalesk. Is that a good strategic choice? No. But the mana dorks just never spark JOY, so...
This change hurts me, but I think I'm cutting Thing in the Ice from Captain N'ghathrod (in favor of Wandering Throne). I know, I know 😭 but I just have never managed to flip it, because I don't have enough instants or sorceries.
And now we come to the tricky one
Avacyn is just so damn tuned.
...I'm dangerously tempted to cut Were-Fox Bodyguard, and if she weren't a fox I already would have.
In Avacyn, I'm going to cut Crackdown in favor of Dauntless Dismantler. That being said, I don't think that card is in my paper version so I may need to find another cut when I compare the two.
(Note to self, also gotta add Urza's Saga to Roalesk)
static spire
...as much as I want [[Werefox Bodyguard]] to work in Avacyn I'm cutting her in favor of [[Winota, Joiner of Forces]]
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Creature — Elf Fox Knight
Flash
When Werefox Bodyguard enters the battlefield, exile up to one other target non-Fox creature until Werefox Bodyguard leaves the battlefield.
, Sacrifice Werefox Bodyguard: You gain 2 life.
2/2
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Creature — Human Cleric
, : Target permanent you control gains protection from instant spells and from sorcery spells until end of turn.
Her eyes blaze with the strength of twenty shields. Every glance is a salvation.
1/2
green plover
Dumping a Fox for a Woman who could command an ARMY of Foxes... and humans.
static spire
Dumping a Fox for a Woman who could command an ARMY of Foxes... and humans.
Could command an army of foxes...
green plover
IDK Kellan? Phyrexian Censor?
zealous ferry
I admit I love LRR's name for her of Great Aunt Euphemia
Where others are Mom and Brenda
zealous ferry
How long back did [[Brave the Elements]] get cut?
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zealous ferry
It feels like something you must have had at some point and then got cut well in the past
static spire
How long back did [[Brave the Elements]] get cut?
A few months ago, maybe
zealous ferry
I just didn't know if things had shifted since you now have sun forger in the deck
static spire
Oh, Sunforger's been in there since the beginning
One of the very few cards I literally never cut this whole time
The size of its associated package has varied over time, though
...huh, there's a new daily question. "What cards have been part of your deck since the beginning? What would it take for you to cut them?"
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant land
Enchanted land has ": Add one mana of any color."
Sacrifice Unbridled Growth: Draw a card.
"If the Consulate has abandoned restraint, so too shall the wilds." —Surash, keeper of the Cowl
static spire
The aura itself doesn't do much beyond a bit of color-fixing, but it's a repeatable "2 mana: Scry 2, then draw."
Which also makes it a sink for infinite mana with Yenna.
glacial cradle
That is pretty good
And the deckbuilding cost is pretty low, cuz you can always just cycle it away
static spire
Yeah, agreed!
static spire
It's basically [[Preordain]] with buyback 1, for Yenna
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static spire
Okay so
I'm considering a new Izzet deck
I've gotten very excited by the potential of [[Malcolm, Keen-Eyed]] / [[Kediss]]
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Legendary Creature — Siren Pirate
Flying
Whenever one or more Pirates you control deal damage to your opponents, you create a Treasure token for each opponent dealt damage. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
2/2
zealous ferry
Oh, you too on that one?
Its doing some exciting things
Are you looking at it for high or cEDH?
Or pauper EDH?
static spire
Probably not pauper EDH, nobody plays that here
But I'm gonna brew for a bit, then see whether it ends up in cEDH or high power
static spire
(My swaps in Captain N'gathrod didn't help as much as I'd hoped they would, I'm probably putting Zellix back in over Plague Spitter. Of course, many more changes will be needed to add the new cards from this set!)
green plover
Oh right I forgot about Mill Horrors Pirate Captain.
I miss fighting him tbh.
He used to be more popular around my circles earlier in the year.
static spire
My current plan for Ixalan swaps (pending any last spoilers tomorrow):
static spire
cracks knuckles
Okay, I think I got Kroxa into a state where I'm happy with it again!
It's a complete top-to-bottom rework, we'll see if it plays less linearly 😉
CUT:
1 Swamp
1 Arcane Signet
1 Bone Miser
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Cabal Ritual
1 Shadowblood Ridge
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Liliana, Heretical Healer // Liliana, Defiant Necromancer
1 Worldgorger Dragon
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Talisman of Indulgence
1 Chain of Smog
1 Imp's Mischief
1 Storm-Kiln Artist
1 Unmarked Grave
1 Florian, Voldaren Scion
1 Sheoldred // The True Scriptures
ADD:
1 Stinkweed Imp
1 Morbid Opportunist
1 Professional Face-Breaker
1 Burnt Offering
1 Brass's Tunnel-Grinder // Tecutlan, the Searing Rift
1 Marsh Flats
1 Inti, Seneschal of the Sun
1 Restless Vents
1 Mountain
1 Golgari Thug
1 Hoarding Broodlord
1 Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion
1 Saw in Half
1 Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal // Temple of the Dead
1 Tarrian's Journal // The Tomb of Aclazotz
1 Anger
1 Altar of the Wretched // Wretched Bonemass
There's a LOT of new Ixalan stuff in there, which I think will give the deck some new unique spice 😉
You'll notice I've also cut all the 2-card infinite combos in favor of more jank.
One question I'm still struggling with -- do you think that [[Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal]] or [[Sheoldred]] is a better inclusion?
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Temple of the Dead
Land
(Transforms from Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal.)
: Add .
, : Transform Temple of the Dead. Activate only if a player has one or fewer cards in hand and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec peace in death. Aclazotz ripped it away.
: Exile Sheoldred, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery and only if an opponent has eight or more cards in their graveyard.The True Scriptures
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — For each opponent, destroy up to one target creature or planeswalker that player controls.
II — Each opponent discards three cards, then mills three cards.
III — Put all creature cards from all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control. Exile The True Scriptures, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
static spire
On one hand, Aclazotz synergizes better with various discard synergies/loops.
On the other hand, Sheoldred's back side is absolutely absurd, and her front side solves problems immediately (as opposed to Aclazotz, who does almost nothing until he's able to attack).
sage cloak
Aclazotz plays towards your deck’s theme, sheoldred is a goodstuff card
I always go with the decks theme
static spire
Aclazotz plays towards your deck’s theme, sheoldred is a goodstuff card
Strictly speaking, Sheoldred's second mode on her saga does play to my theme, but fair
...the other option is Tergrid
But I'm a little concerned that 1) my meta is a tiny spell-heavy, and 2) by the time she comes down, often at least one person is empty handed
she also doesn't help ME get cards into hand
zealous ferry
How do you feel about [[Stormfist crusader]]
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zealous ferry
I'm just trying to think about ways of getting everyone cards
Oh wait
the one that's like anje's ravager
[[Amber Gristle O'Maul]]
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static spire
If you needed to find one cut in this deck to add [[Thousand Moons Smithy]], what would be your choice?
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Barracks of the Thousand
Legendary Artifact Land
(Transforms from Thousand Moons Smithy.)
: Add .
Whenever you cast an artifact or creature spell using mana produced by Barracks of the Thousand, create a white Gnome Soldier artifact creature token with "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of artifacts and/or creatures you control."
glacial cradle
This deck is by far your hardest to make recommendations for. Just got so much going on.
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Rogue
Whenever a player casts their second spell each turn, you lose 1 life and create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"Whatever is wrong in the Shire, Lotho will be at the bottom of it: you can be sure of that." —Pippin
2/1
sage cloak
I haven’t had the pleasure of playing him
OH MY GOD
I just got a deck idea
I’ll be back
bleak stirrup
If you needed to find one cut in this deck to add [[Thousand Moons Smithy]], wha...
It hurts me to say it but Ashiok
static spire
[[Lotho]] been doing much for you?
He's just some very solid ramp tbh
sage cloak
How consistently does he trigger?
static spire
How consistently does he trigger?
Given that he also triggers off MY spells, I'd say half of all turns (but 2 treasures per turn cycle is absolutely playable for 2 mana)
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Tecutlan, the Searing Rift
Legendary Land — Cave
(Transforms from Brass's Tunnel-Grinder.)
: Add .
Whenever you cast a permanent spell using mana produced by Tecutlan, the Searing Rift, discover X, where X is that spell's mana value.
zealous ferry
So, the one thing is you have a lot of control stuff that keeps you from casting 2 spells a turn
Discover at least lets you put it in your hand
static spire
So, the one thing is you have a lot of control stuff that keeps you from casting...
Discover does let me put the card in my hand, yeah
zealous ferry
I hate that I keep looking at Winota, which I know is the wrong answer
static spire
I hate that I keep looking at Winota, which I know is the wrong answer
Honestly, I'm looking that way as well
zealous ferry
Even if you're attacking with a lot, you have 13 humans in your deck
zealous ferry
I'm in favor of trying to find a way for this to work just because it's one of the cards I've been most excited about.
static spire
So I've been rebuilding Locust God recently, because I realized how SILLY he is with [[Invasion of Segovia]]
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Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
Legendary Creature — Serpent
Noncreature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your end step, untap up to four target creatures.
3/3
zealous ferry
Dack is unexpected (don't cut him, he's too cool)
I'm wondering if you could cut Ashnod's here.
I've also been whelmed by arcane bombardment in my Vadrik deck.
I know it's a little better for urabrask because of the 3 spell flip threshold
static spire
I'm wondering if you could cut Ashnod's here.
I'll admit I was tempted to cut Ashnod's, since it doesn't help me truly loop wheels unless I draw into color-fixing mana rocks, but it DOES help me extend loops like 3x further, since I'm not spending colored mana (my limiter) on the 
in Wheel of Fortune or whatever...
But I also realized that it helps guarantee I'll almost never lose access to Locust God if I've had him once, especially since it's a sac outlet to dodge exile?
zealous ferry
Yeah, it's one of those things where with the number of colored pips it made me question it
static spire
I've also been whelmed by arcane bombardment in my Vadrik deck.
I've centered the deck around trying to make Arcane Bombardment work, because it CAN be so incredibly silly if I get a draw spell every time I cast a counterspell...
But it might get axed in the end, yeah
static spire
Yeah, it's one of those things where with the number of colored pips it made me ...
It also does combo with Skullclamp and Locust God, of course (though Phyrexian also does so)
zealous ferry
Yeah. I'm just stretching to try and find the cuts.
static spire
Aetherflux is one potential cut, but I've always wanted to make Aetherflux + Treasonous Ogre work...
static spire
[[Mists of Lorien]] would be a slam-dunk if it were an instant, since one of the big play patterns here is "big bounce spell EOT, then wheel to perma-remove stuff"
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Sorcery
Replicate 
(When you cast this spell, copy it for each time you paid its replicate cost. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
Return target nonland permanent and each other nonland permanent with the same mana value as that permanent to their owners' hands.
static spire
I think it's still good enough to be played at sorcery, but it's less of an "omg yessssss" lol
zealous ferry
Yeah
static spire
I'm honestly tempted to cut Wheel of Misfortune
zealous ferry
I can see that
static spire
Crazy talk, I know, but it doesn't exactly DO the two things I really want from a wheel:
zealous ferry
Yeah, the being able to skip discards is a thing.
Is [[Rielle the everwise]] too winmore in Locust God?
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zealous ferry
Just thinking about wheels
static spire
I think it would be great in a different build
zealous ferry
Yeah
static spire
Several of my wheels are the Twister flavor
Where they shuffle instead of discarding
I wonder if I can get away with cutting a land
On one hand: 6 drop commander. On the other, the deck is made of draw spells and fast rocks
Truthfully, I'm also tempted to cut Intuition? Which should also be crazy talk, but I don't really have any amazing triple-tutors off it (that I can see). I mean, I can always go "Breach, Dockside, Twister", but that's sorta just going for generic value. It's also just really annoying to resolve under Arcane Bombardment.
On the other hand I have an Intuition just sitting around with no use 😭
zealous ferry
From what I remember you have a conflicted relationship with that card.
static spire
Oh, VERY much so, yes
It's such a strong card, but irritating to resolve in decks which don't have pre-defined 3-card sets
zealous ferry
nod
static spire
Okay so! Further question
Of the 22 cards in the sideboard, which 12 would you add?
static spire
@rare mango , sell me on [[Descent into Avernus]]?
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static spire
Do you think it's good enough in Locust God? It does give me T4 Locust God with no other ramp, then 9 mana on T4.
I think I can almost always win off that, but I'm concerned that people will either have enough resources to kill Locust God and/or win on their own.
rare mango
real talk, if you're worried about winning enough to think twice about "giving resources to your opponents" it might not be a card for you
HOWEVER. It ramps you; it hurts your opponents; it increases game actions; treasures and noncombat damage are often easy to abuse; and enchantments are among the more difficult permanents to interact with
static spire
real talk, if you're worried about winning enough to think twice about "giving r...
My playgroup is high enough power that a LOT of people will try and win as soon as mana allows
Myself included!
But the big concern here is giving my opponents an ability to interact with me trying to win
rare mango
if your opponent getting +2 mana on Turn 4 is enough to win them the game then it may not be a good fit 🤣
static spire
Amusingly, I'm just about the only person in my meta who doesn't play any 2-card combos
But regardless, I really don't want to open myself up to removal on my own turn, in response to something I'm doing 😂
But given that the deck is like 80% draw spells, I'm nearly certain I can win as soon as we get to the 4 treasure turn
Even with no other ramp. That's extremely tempting. And honestly it seems like it'll lead to fun splashy games in general
jovial tinsel
i think it's definitely worth trying
it creates some massive acceleration in both mana and damage as soon as it sticks, and as carson said it's hard to remove
static spire
"Exile Locust God in response to your wheel" is a very very nasty blowout in this deck 😂
jovial tinsel
do you have something like greaves?
static spire
No, though I DO run a lot of counterspells
zealous ferry
I don't think you want descent in this deck. Beyond the giving treasure.
static spire
I don't think you want descent in this deck. Beyond the giving treasure.
Interesting, what's your thought process here?
zealous ferry
You aren't running any punishment cards
So, no Reckless Fireweavers, but also no Karn.
Also I'm wary of the over-encumbered card from Fallout
When you're in a go-wide
static spire
[[Over-Encumbered]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant opponent
When Overencumbered enters the battlefield, enchanted opponent creates a Clue token, a Food token, and a Junk token.
At the beginning of combat on enchanted opponent's turn, that player may pay for each artifact they control. If they don't, creatures can't attack this combat.
static spire
I'm not too concerned? This deck doesn't need to attack to win, and by the time I'm attacking I have found a bounce spell
jovial tinsel
You aren't running any punishment cards
most of our discussion on DIA has been based on the disadvantage of it giving treasure to opponents and weighing that versus the advantage it gives daed for being out even a single rotation
static spire
I'm 100% confident that I can win at least 95% of games if I get to the 4 treasure turn and if I'm uninterrupted then
zealous ferry
most of our discussion on DIA has been based on the disadvantage of it giving tr...
I get that. I'm basing that on how I've had to weigh it in decks I'm using it.
If you're sure it will then go for it.
jovial tinsel
your input is still useful!
zealous ferry
Blinking dockside becomes an extra priority though so they sac theirs
Unless they're OK giving that much more treasure to daed
static spire
For NOW, I'm gonna try with this set of additions to fill in the remaining slots:
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Dispel
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Lotus Petal
1 High Tide
1 Dack Fayden
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 An Offer You Can't Refuse
1 Descent into Avernus
1 Lórien Revealed
1 Mists of Lórien
1 Brass's Tunnel-Grinder // Tecutlan, the Searing Rift
zealous ferry
That's basically what I was thinking but had faithless looting in
Instead of descent
I'm trying to get home and have been typing one handed mostly 😅
static spire
Incidentally, here's the set of changes since four years ago when [[Paradox Engine]] banned
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static spire
(RIP king, F)
1 Underworld Breach
1 Arcane Signet
1 Mystic Sanctuary
1 Coveted Jewel
1 Dispel
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Snap
1 Treasonous Ogre
1 Timetwister
1 Dockside Extortionist
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 High Tide
1 Gamble
1 Arid Mesa
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Flusterstorm
1 Narset, Parter of Veils
1 Volcanic Island
1 Echo of Eons
1 Fiery Islet
1 Prismatic Vista
1 Talisman of Creativity
1 Deflecting Swat
1 Fierce Guardianship
1 Imperial Recruiter
1 Training Center
1 Sea Gate Restoration // Sea Gate, Reborn
1 Jeska's Will
1 Jeweled Lotus
1 Urza's Saga
1 Sorcerer Class
1 Otawara, Soaring City
1 Ledger Shredder
1 An Offer You Can't Refuse
1 Descent into Avernus
1 Displacer Kitten
1 Faerie Mastermind
1 The One Ring
1 Invasion of Segovia // Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
1 Filter Out
1 Lórien Revealed
1 Mists of Lórien
1 Cyber Conversion
1 Brass's Tunnel-Grinder // Tecutlan, the Searing Rift
Look at all these broken new cards, most of which have come out in four years 😂
jovial tinsel
my favorite card from the last 4 years, volcanic island
static spire
my favorite card from the last 4 years, volcanic island
"most" lol
jovial tinsel
lol
static spire
it's new to ME in the last four years (bought one during COVID)
zealous ferry
I hate the time dilation aspect of things right now. Commander Legends feels so far back
static spire
Fine, if it'll make the peanut gallery happier, here's the NEW new cards that have been printed since I took it apart 😛
1 Underworld Breach
1 Arcane Signet
1 Mystic Sanctuary
1 Dockside Extortionist
1 Narset, Parter of Veils
1 Echo of Eons
1 Fiery Islet
1 Prismatic Vista
1 Talisman of Creativity
1 Deflecting Swat
1 Fierce Guardianship
1 Training Center
1 Sea Gate Restoration // Sea Gate, Reborn
1 Jeska's Will
1 Jeweled Lotus
1 Urza's Saga
1 Sorcerer Class
1 Otawara, Soaring City
1 Ledger Shredder
1 An Offer You Can't Refuse
1 Descent into Avernus
1 Displacer Kitten
1 Faerie Mastermind
1 The One Ring
1 Invasion of Segovia // Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
1 Filter Out
1 Lórien Revealed
1 Mists of Lórien
1 Cyber Conversion
1 Brass's Tunnel-Grinder // Tecutlan, the Searing Rift
static spire
But I'd still throw away all of these in exchange for getting Paradox Engine back 😭 ❤️🪦
zealous ferry
Because arcane signet was barely around and it was like $20
Last time I played it was at DC Commandfest in 2019
It just got too much hate.
static spire
I think I've done something evil. I was playing a game online today, and I managed to curve [[Jeska's Will]] into [[Coveted Jewel]] into [[The One Ring]]. And then the next turn I dropped [[Displacer Kitten]] and stormed off 🙃
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Sorcery
Choose one. If you control a commander as you cast this spell, you may choose both.
• Add for each card in target opponent's hand.
• Exile the top three cards of your library. You may play them this turn.
"Gather your strength. Prepare yourself." —Jeska, to Radha
Artifact
When Coveted Jewel enters the battlefield, draw three cards.
: Add three mana of any one color.
Whenever one or more creatures an opponent controls attack you and aren't blocked, that player draws three cards and gains control of Coveted Jewel. Untap it.
Legendary Artifact
Indestructible
When The One Ring enters the battlefield, if you cast it, you gain protection from everything until your next turn.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life for each burden counter on The One Ring.
: Put a burden counter on The One Ring, then draw a card for each burden counter on The One Ring.
zealous ferry
That's not evil
stuck ore
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/yIeQo1ZbDEipEWDwKDcSrQ
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/x4AN86KNH06sVKWQBqHsVw
Is it just me or does this entire deck rely on the fact that you draw your one of [[Irenicus's Vile Duplication]]
Neither Deck has a second non-legendary duplication method, and doesn't have something like Mirror Box? Does Mutate work when copying the Ivy even though Ivy reads "The copy targets Ivy"
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stuck ore
Does that mean that it copies onto the original Ivy, or do mutated creatures properly synergise with that & copy the ability onto itself
and then you can duplicate w/ Quasiduplicate etc from there.
static spire
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/yIeQo1ZbDEipEWDwKDcSrQ
https://www.moxfield.com...
Mutate can make things non-legendary! And when they're copied, they're still non-legendary (and yes, a mutated Ivy can target herself) 😉
So I just need to draw one mutate spell before I cast all the Quasiduplicates etc
static spire
Hey everyone, let's play THIS game again!
Of the 27 cards in the sideboard, which 16 would you add to fill up the mainboard?
rare mango
Blasphemous Act
Brainstorm
Faithless Looting
Lightning Bolt
Faerie Mastermind
Izzet Charm
Ledger Shredder
Monolith
Dack Fayden
Filter Out
Mists of Lorien
Invasion of Kaldheim
Teferi
Consecrated Sphinx
Hullbreaker Horror
either Urabrask OR Jin Gitaxias
static spire
...oh heck, I forgot how [[Mind Over Matter]] works with [[The One Ring]] 🤮
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Legendary Artifact
Indestructible
When The One Ring enters the battlefield, if you cast it, you gain protection from everything until your next turn.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life for each burden counter on The One Ring.
: Put a burden counter on The One Ring, then draw a card for each burden counter on The One Ring.
zealous ferry
Yep!
zealous ferry
Is it being added to the sideboard too?
thin kayak
If you have a one ring, you should play it in every single deck possible.
The card is absolutely nuts
The only reason I don’t play it, is because people will roll their eyes harder than my wife, then they’ll claim all I do is play with expensive cards and that’s why I win.
zealous ferry
I have one of them. It's also in the level where I haven't put it in any deck because I don't want to keep swapping it.
and want to determine "the deck it goes in"
thin kayak
For me it’s Queza
Drain an opp and counter the life loss for myself
Seems to work for me
zealous ferry
Yeah. it's Queza's turn to get updated. (but that's a separate discussion for a different thread)
thin kayak
That’s also my extreme salt deck. That’s just built to be an ass.
I do think the one ring fits well into locust god though
static spire
Is it being added to the sideboard too?
Probably not, but I'm thinking on it
static spire
If you have a one ring, you should play it in every single deck possible.
The One Ring is definitely in there haha
neon shore
static spire
How do people feel about [[Run Away Together]] in a wheels deck, versus [[Mists of Lorien]]?
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Sorcery
Replicate (When you cast this spell, copy it for each time you paid its replicate cost. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
Return target nonland permanent and each other nonland permanent with the same mana value as that permanent to their owners' hands.
green plover
I mean I suppose it depends on the situations you might want to find yourself getting something specific off the field quickly or want to take a plunge and get more than one thing off the board.
rare mango
in a vacuum I'd rather run mists of Lorien
static spire
The general idea is that "EOT bounce something, move to my turn, wheel" is a fantastic feeling
But apart from Cyclonic and maybe Filter Out, there's not that many efficient multi-target instant-speed bounce spells
Mists of Lorien is definitely more powerful than Run Away together, but 4UR is much harder than "EOT 1U, untap, 2R"
zealous ferry
@static spire So, I was looking through white and black creature token cards because I was thinking about having Teysa in a deck and I was wondering how you've liked [[March of the Canonized]]
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static spire
<@254711002904526848> So, I was looking through white and black creature token c...
It's been fantastic overall! Both modes are very, very solid
zealous ferry
fwiw specifically I'm looking at [[Shadowheart]] and [[Noble Heritage]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Elf Cleric
, , Sacrifice another creature: Draw X cards, where X is that creature's power.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
"Shar's will shall be done. As sure as night will fall."
3/4
zealous ferry
So I appreciate knowing how its played overall.
static spire
fwiw specifically I'm looking at [[Shadowheart]] and [[Noble Heritage]]
Hm. I've generally perceived the "small mass token" effect as more reliable, since 7 devotion is not the easiest to hit. But it seems like you want to hit the "single large token" mode more often, which is definitely a little trickier. How heavily do you commit to the board, and how much devotion do you normally have?
zealous ferry
So, I'm still working on that too.
Basically I thought about the interactions with various gods and Shadowheart
And it's been sort of spiraling from there
With the Ixalan ones or the God eternals mainly
Or at least I wouldn't be sacrificing the theros ones necessarily.
last atlas
hey! I was curious on your thoughts on Heart and Home vs Fire and Ice in yout Avacyn deck?
static spire
hey! I was curious on your thoughts on Heart and Home vs Fire and Ice in yout Av...
They're both good, but in different ways?
SoFaI: Giving my own creatures protection from red causes a little frustration (since it interferes with all my double strike, like Embercleave), but the ability to snipe things like mana dorks or low-toughness commanders every turn is very very very handy. When building a stax deck, particularly a Rule of Law stax deck, one central way to break parity is to remove something from the opponents' board every turn with no further resource investment, and force them to always slip behind a little more each time. And of course, the draw is useful as always.
SoHaH: I think this sword is better for my current build, but only because I went so heavy on blink effects / ETB triggers? It's more conditional than SoFaI (which is always a little good), since it requires a specific deckbuild AND requires getting lucky with regards to having an ETB creature in play... but gives even greater advantage under Rule of Law (since I get a "spell" as long as I have a good ETB creature to blink). There's also a few ways to run SoHaH into a true value engine, particularly by using Stoneforge to tutor SoHaH then tutor again every turn, or blinking Dockside.
Does that clarify the situation a little?
last atlas
They're both good, but in different ways?
**SoFaI:** Giving my own creatures pr...
It does! Thanks. So the Rule of Law effects make swords like Forge and Frontier less valuable I'm guessing?
static spire
It does! Thanks. So the Rule of Law effects make swords like Forge and Frontier ...
Yep! Also, the protection from red makes it less good for my purposes.
last atlas
The 3 damage from the Purifier side seems to only get better as time goes on, with all the cheap creatures and such.
static spire
The 3 damage from the Purifier side seems to only get better as time goes on, wi...
Yep! And it's often lethal damage anyway thanks to my beloved [[Basilisk Collar]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has deathtouch and lifelink.
Equip
Some patriars pay massive sums for exotic pets that can give their posh, predictable lives an edge of danger.
last atlas
Yep! And it's often lethal damage anyway thanks to my beloved [[Basilisk Collar]...
Wish there was a more special printing of it, as much of a fan of the pitbull wearing a collar I am
static spire
Wish there was a more special printing of it, as much of a fan of the pitbull we...
I have an original foil!
Worldwake foils are gorgeous
static spire
Same with OG Zendikar foils
OG Zendikar foils are essentially the single reason I built Wort
last atlas
I have an original foil!
Love the art, never seen a worldwake foil
Foils from that era are so nice though
I like the RtR foils a lot
sage cloak
My favorite are from the vault foils but in terms of older foils the shadowmoor promo foils are peak
zealous ferry
I've had such bad luck with those foils
Though they're the only foils I've had that curl inwards rather than arched backwards.
sage cloak
Yea they do have that problem, but I just love how the vertical shimmer looks. If you sleeve decks and have the ability to fight curling they’re so pretty
static spire
I like the RtR foils a lot
I'm not a huge fan of RTR foils, but I personally think foils peaked from Conflux through Worldwake
Almost no curling, gorgeous color and depth, art style which happened to show off the foiling very vividly
sage cloak
I will say, we’d be in the absolute best era of foils ever if they made every factory produce foils the same way Japan does. That dot foiling is perfect, pushes extremely rich coloring, and barely curls if any at all
I’m always excited when my booster box is Japan manufactured
last atlas
I'm not a huge fan of RTR foils, but I personally think foils peaked from Conflu...
Your avacyn has been a huge inspiration btw!! I brewed her awhile ago and was losing hope but your list and passion for her was heavy inspiration.
I run chaff from innistrad like [[Extricator of Sin]] or [[Avacynian Missionaries]] in my list because I think they are cool :p
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Extricator of Flesh
Creature — Eldrazi Horror
Eldrazi you control have vigilance.
, , Sacrifice a non-Eldrazi creature: Create a 3/2 colorless Eldrazi Horror creature token.
After the end, a new beginning.
3/5
static spire
I run chaff from innistrad like [[Extricator of Sin]] or [[Avacynian Missionarie...
I'm very glad I helped inspire you! 😄
There's a VERY small and quiet server for her, if you're interested: https://discord.gg/QDX7aT4k
static spire
Has anyone here built [[Rona, Herald of Invasion]] as a commander?
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: Draw a card, then discard a card.
: Transform Rona. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)Rona, Tolarian Obliterator
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Wizard
Trample
Whenever a source deals damage to Rona, Tolarian Obliterator, that source's controller exiles a card from their hand at random. If it's a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield under your control. Otherwise, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.
"At last, I am compleat."
5/5
zealous ferry
So, when I was looking at her I was primarily considering her for the front side
Using the [[Retraction Helix]] Mox combo
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Instant
Until end of turn, target creature gains ": Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand."
Where the geometries of the world collapse, a master of the aether can harvest power beyond comprehending.
zealous ferry
Since either [[Mox Amber]] or [[Mox Opal]] untaps her.
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Legendary Artifact
: Add one mana of any color among legendary creatures and planeswalkers you control.
A moment in time made tangible, it has the power to realize epic visions.
Legendary Artifact
Metalcraft — : Add one mana of any color. Activate only if you control three or more artifacts.
The suns of Mirrodin have shone upon perfection only once.
zealous ferry
But, if you go the damage route, one of the interesting things is that she does also put lands into play untapped, so, unless it's an x spell you're probably going to have a hit.
static spire
Pestilence was my thought, since then lands “cascade” into another damage ping
The question is how to keep my hand full though!
zealous ferry
[[Body of knowledge]]
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zealous ferry
You draw from each pestilence ping
At the very least
[[Harvester of souls]] on the way more expensive end
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zealous ferry
[[Liliana, dreadhorde]] too
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zealous ferry
[[Voghar]]
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zealous ferry
[[Vogar, necropolis]]
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zealous ferry
Those are the things I can think of mostly off the top of my head
[[Hidetsugu and Kairi]] might work
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zealous ferry
Since you're casting the cards both Kozileks work
[[Kozilek Butcher of truth]][[kozilek, the great distortion]]
zealous ferry
If you're using [[Pestilence Demon]] you can put Curiosity on it
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Creature — Demon
Flying
: Pestilence Demon deals 1 damage to each creature and each player.
"I have schemed too long to be supplanted by dead gods. If I cannot have this world, no one can."
7/6
static spire
My brain went to, like, [[Desert]]
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Land — Desert
: Add 
.
: Desert deals 1 damage to target attacking creature. Activate only during the end of combat step.
static spire
And [[Caltrops]]
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zealous ferry
Oh those are good ones too
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static spire
"Hold priority on Hecatomb's ETB, tap three Swamps I control to ping Rona three times"
zealous ferry
That sort of card may be why people who are playing her with Pestilence is also running Toxril
She is a 5/5, you can theoretically ping her more than that.
Obviously Tim
static spire
I wonder if there's any good artifacts or enchantments which give her front side a better tap ability
zealous ferry
[[Hermetic Study]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has ": This creature deals 1 damage to any target."
"Books can be replaced; a prize student cannot. Be patient." —Urza, to Barrin
zealous ferry
[[Psyionic Gift]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has ": This creature deals 1 damage to any target."
For sale: Complete wizard's library. Rare scrolls, grimoires, and works of ancient spellcrafting! Slightly abridged.
static spire
[[Paradise Mantle]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has ": Add one mana of any color."
Equip
"It contains the wisdom of generations of our people. We permit only a chosen few to don the raiment." —Imran, Viridian elder
static spire
[[Relic of Legends]] (and to a lesser degree [[Honor-Worn Shaku]]) seem pretty good
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
Tap an untapped legendary creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
"If the worst parts of history can repeat themselves, it stands to reason that the best parts can as well." —Teferi
Artifact
: Add .
Tap an untapped legendary permanent you control: Untap Honor-Worn Shaku.
Before being presented to its lord, each shaku is blessed by every hero of every region within that lord's domain.
zealous ferry
I had a funny idea of her with [[Haunted One]]
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zealous ferry
At least for the front side
Since she's a human/wizard and they get +2/+0 for each time she taps
static spire
that's hilarious lol
static spire
Anyone around to read through my primer here? I'd love to think of more to add, or places where I can improve the clarity or depth
static spire
NOTE TO SELF: Add the following sections to my primer --
Mana management -- especially hard in this deck, since you never know what you're going to draw next and since a lot of mana has some really strong restrictions on what you can spend it on, so you need to plan ahead (in a statistical sense). Other tricky details are when to pay into Treasonous Ogre (even at a bad rate) rather than consuming potential blue mana, planning ahead to conserve your mana sources under different restrictions like Sorcerer Class vs Caetus, holding up islands
How to increase the power of the deck, list of cards you got to add to the list by cutting the 2-card combos and why their inclusion makes the deck more fun to play.... etc. It's never gonna be true cEDH, but the most competitive version is likely a tight infinite-mana Scepter-and-Breach list, along with a few 2-card combos, which is stronger to be sure but not as fun.
One other combo to mention, which is currently removed: [[Murder of Crows]] + any free sac outlet + [[The Locust God]]
static spire
Oh heck, maybe I need to add [[Invasion of Archavios]] 🤔 seems super silly with Kitten, since Kitten + Invasion quickly spirals out of control with mana-positive High Tide / Frantic Search loops... 🤔
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static spire
[[Invasion of Arcavios]]
static spire
I didn't notice it can also grab spells from graveyard, which means it's more than plausible to incorporate it into loops...
And I can very reasonably punch it down on the turn it enters, so I'd get a doubled copy of whatever spell I tutor off it. It's no Invasion of Segovia, mind you, but I might make it work regardless
Notably, Invasion can fetch Wheel of Fortune, which generates the 7 power to punch it down with haste if I have Locust God
static spire
I've got a new deck, anyone want to take a look?
Goal is semi-casual vampire kindred plus some strong Scam elements.
jovial tinsel
rebell did a video primer on The Master, Multiplied in cEDH, not quite what you’re going for but she touched on the idea of scam in edh so you might look at that for ideas
static spire
Got a link?
jovial tinsel
no, but the video’s called something like “is the master multiplied just rakdos najeela” on youtube
zealous ferry
static spire
Also, oh GOD Evelyn is so incredibly fun
I don't think I've ever had a better feeling than exiling Cyclonic Rift, Ruinous Ultimatum, and Fierce Guardianship with two Evelyns on board
jovial tinsel
[[evelyn]]
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sage cloak
Also, oh GOD Evelyn is so incredibly fun
Vampires or something else?
I built her as clones and it was way too slow to function well
static spire
Vampires or something else?
Both? It's vampires plus scam plus some aristocrat elements
I'd love your eyes @jovial tinsel and @sage cloak !
It's absolutely super fun right now, I generally win with Malakir Bloodwitch...
...which makes me super happy because this deck is basically rebuilding one of the very first Standard decks I ever built myself (OG Zendikar Vampire Kindred)
jovial tinsel
I'd love your eyes <@444259703615127554> and <@180801337947193345> !
can you ping me tomorrow? not gonna be able to look at the full thing tonight
if there’s anything specific you’d like feedback on though i can try to give my thoughts
i agree with tyra’s thoughts from #custom-cards message to the letter re: scampire
static spire
can you ping me tomorrow? not gonna be able to look at the full thing tonight
sure!
static spire
i agree with tyra’s thoughts from https://discord.com/channels/67511311393436468...
I may mess with it further, but I think the current version is STILL better than using the original sticker sheets
sage cloak
Ngl I got like 30 minutes of sleep between yesterday and today so I’ll probably be napping the second I get off work
zealous ferry
There's a person at my lgs who has an Evelyn deck
They love it, partially because they can play some weird vampires.
static spire
Do they have a list online? Are there any vamps which stick out in your memory?
zealous ferry
I can see if he does
Part of my brain is remembering stuff like [[Falkenrath Pit Fighter]]
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Creature — Vampire Warrior
, Discard a card, Sacrifice a Vampire: Draw two cards. Activate only if an opponent lost life this turn.
In the arena, vampires set aside all pretense of honor or civilization and fight like the predators they know themselves to be.
2/1
static spire
Ngl I got like 30 minutes of sleep between yesterday and today so I’ll probably ...
Jeez, take care of yourself!
sage cloak
Jeez, take care of yourself!
Sleep is for the weak, and I’m feeling like SpongeBob’s arms
static spire
Part of my brain is remembering stuff like [[Falkenrath Pit Fighter]]
I’m building as blue-black only unfortunately 😦 there’s definitely a lot of cool red ones I miss
zealous ferry
[[Shadow Alley Denizen]]
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zealous ferry
That was definitely one
Just because of some of the attack trigger ones.
Or at least I remember one-drops...
There may have been a cavern harpy for the non-vampire front.
He doesn't seem to have lists up
Or it looks maybe like there's a Nashi list? But that's it for the moxfield user with the same userid (which is specific enough to likely be the same person)
static spire
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vZfKJqQUKUmtITjPux-S_Q
If you needed to add 14 of the vampires that were in the sideboard here, which would you pick?
zealous ferry
I'm duplicating it to put them in. It's fastest for me
static spire
sure, fine by me!
zealous ferry
I think this? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/MES-rHAriUOE8xe1X_fCBg
If you had [[Etrata]] or some other rogues/assassins I"d probably prioritize Mairi higher
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zealous ferry
And I based it more on how I've seen Evelyn played than possibly you've played her?
static spire
Huh, thanks! This helps a lot. I'm curious whether I have enough life gain effects to really make Oathsworn Paladin function...
I'm particularly torn on [[Bloodletter of Aclazotz]]
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static spire
On one hand, it doesn't really... synergize with the rest of my deck
On the other hand, it's just a pretty generically powerful card which can halve my clock
zealous ferry
If you go with it then change to more of the blood artists
jovial tinsel
can you support the triple black pips
zealous ferry
If it's effectively a 2c deck where evelyn can be cast for BBB, I'd expect so
jovial tinsel
fair
static spire
can you support the triple black pips
I believe I can, yeah
I'm running VERY little blue in my landbase or my deck
jovial tinsel
and i guess most vampires are black so you’d probably be leaning that way?
static spire
it's very nearly mono-black
jovial tinsel
yeah
static spire
lol
jovial tinsel
pffft
static spire
I'm tempted to cut Sakashima and Spark Double, since doubling Evelyn is often overkill, but there's been so many times where I exile a counterspell from someone else's deck and get to play my entire game with counter backup lol
zealous ferry
You make a reasonable number of lifelink token creators, blood artists, some cheap life linkers, crossway trouble makers, malakir bloodwitch and sanctum seeker
Mm
They're cards I put in not just for Evelyn though.
static spire
Several of my other creatures "stack" really well as well
static spire
True... 🤔 Though I almost never cast opponents' creatures, since they don't trigger my vampire kindred effects
(I mean, unless it's something absurd like a Consecrated Sphinx, but that's a narrow corner case)
zealous ferry
[[New Blood]] is the card that has gone up the most in my estimation since Lost Caverns came out
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zealous ferry
That thing got absurd with some of the decks that came out of LCI
static spire
It was always absurd, but it's doubly silly now lol
zealous ferry
Fair
There were fewer typal decks in my LGS where it made a big difference
So many pantlaza decks...
static spire
So many pantlaza decks...
That's what New Blood is for for sure lol -- "yes, whenever a vamp ETBs under my control, get an explore trigger"
zealous ferry
I'd maybe think about [[Golden Argosy]]
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zealous ferry
Since you can basically blink your whole board
static spire
Interesting idea for sure!
zealous ferry
Since it's a delayed trigger it should still work if the argosy dies
static spire
It does, yeah
zealous ferry
Evelyn doesn't have the one or more qualifier.
So each one that comes back triggers her exile
static spire
Currently, here's my changelog relative to this morning:
CUT
1 Dusk Legion Zealot
1 Lantern of Insight
1 Essence Flux
1 Nighthawk Scavenger
1 Deadly Dispute
1 Kinzu of the Bleak Coven
1 Queen's Bay Paladin
ADD
1 Vampire Hexmage
1 Vampire of the Dire Moon
1 Shadow Alley Denizen
1 Gatekeeper of Malakir
1 Veinwitch Coven
1 Henrika Domnathi // Henrika, Infernal Seer
1 Markov Baron
static spire
So each one that comes back triggers her exile
yeah, it's why she works so well with stuff like Patriarch's Bidding 👀
zealous ferry
is [[Preacher of the schism]] in your list?
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static spire
is [[Preacher of the schism]] in your list?
It's one of the sideboard cards
I'm always a little skeptical of stuff which only has attack triggers
static spire
If I'm intending to just get token ETBs, I'd generally go with [[Glass-Cast Heart]] first
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Artifact
Whenever one or more Vampires you control attack, create a Blood token. (It's an artifact with ", , Discard a card, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
, , Pay 1 life: Create a 1/1 white and black Vampire creature token with lifelink.
, , Sacrifice Glass-Cast Heart and thirteen Blood tokens: Each opponent loses 13 life and you gain 13 life.
static spire
since it can work the turn it comes down
or maybe not, since it's not a vamp itself
who knows
zealous ferry
3 mana with deathtouch and a large back often is down early enough and hard enough to block it gets in
static spire
fair point, deathtouch IS silly obviously
zealous ferry
The card draw is often more important
Blood tokens are great, but if you're in Black/Blue there are fewer synergies there than BR.
But it's also great.
static spire
I don't think I can reliably hit the card draw mode on Preacher
I have a lot of stuff which pays or loses life
including my mana base
zealous ferry
nod
static spire
I'm never at the highest life unless I've got something like Crossway Vampires, in which case I'm normally winning already
zealous ferry
I have it in Henrika, which may have more lifelinkers
static spire
...I probably SHOULD cut Gatekeeper of Malakir and Kalastria Highblood, which are sorta mediocre, but they're nostalgia picks
zealous ferry
And its definitely helped with the having cards in hand.
static spire
my very first standard deck I ever built myself was OG Zendikar Vampire Kindred
static spire
but yeah, I've got a big soft spot for Bloodghast, Vampire Nocturnus, Bloodwitch, Gatekeeper, Highblood, etc due to that first deck...
zealous ferry
Oh... what about [[Sword of Hearth and Home]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from green and from white.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, exile up to one target creature you own, then search your library for a basic land card. Put both cards onto the battlefield under your control, then shuffle.
Equip
static spire
I'm intrigued by the potential of Henrika in the 99 here, since I'm frequently scamming creatures -- so I can use each of her modes more than once. She's also really good with scam effects as board control, since I can scam her and pick sacrifice mode
zealous ferry
I know that's not on your list of cards at all, but that's one I'm fairly sure he runs.
Because Evelyn eats swords (to plowshares)
I admit, the Scampire is still tempting for the joke aspect
static spire
I admit, the Scampire is still tempting for the joke aspect
Yeah, and honestly I do think it's a good card. The ability to spam something like Bloodwitch from GY is amazing, if I have a sac outlet
and if I manage to cast a scam on Scampire (pun intended), there's a lot of the 2 or 3 ticket abilities which are BONKERS
Undying, sacrifice to draw 2, and so on
I'm less convinced on [[Veinwitch Coven]] -- god, I wish that card either had lifelink or didn't have the 
cost -- but I'm intrigued by the potential of pairing it with Kalastria Highborn or Blood Artist to give all my creatures the ability to return to hand instantly upon death
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Creature — Vampire Warlock
Menace
Whenever you gain life, you may pay . If you do, return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
Some Strixhaven study groups are more welcoming than others.
3/3
zealous ferry
Yeah. It may be that it's wrong here.
static spire
If so, I can always cut it again
I'm always a little hesitant to run stuff like [[Vampire of the Dire Moon]]
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static spire
since it feels like a waste of a slot
but I suppose that having a good "rattlesnake" blocker is never a bad thing
and since we're trying to gain life for stuff like Veinwitch it's worth a shot
zealous ferry
It gets better with Henrika too
But again, that's more ifs
It also dies well in general
I've spent a lot more time than I'd have expected thinking about vampires as a creature type with how little I cared about Edgar Markov
static spire
Hah! Same, trust me
This deck mostly exists because I just adore New Blood
Okay, I think my plan is to test these new changes -- if Veinwitch Coven doesn't work right, I'll swap it and Dire Moon (and possibly Gatekeeper and/or Kalastria Highblood) back to Deadly Dispute, Legion Zealot, etc
zealous ferry
nod
static spire
But you've convinced me on several things including Henrika and Baron
I also need to test more with Hexmage
zealous ferry
I love my Henrika deck too much so I may not be impartial
static spire
can I see your Henrika list?
Henrika is very interesting because I was earlier going "man, I wish there were a [[Plaguecrafter]] but on a vampire"
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static spire
and she's... sorta that 😂
zealous ferry
Some of this has been informed by my indecisiveness on some cards. Like Nocturnus https://www.moxfield.com/decks/wNNOUFCBSE6PLFCF8hSF3g
static spire
I don't THINK I'm gonna flip her over to her back side much, but it's not impossible
at the very least Henrika is probably better than Nighthawk Scavenger, which is the nearest 1-for-1 swap I was running
HUH
you're making me think actually
maybe I should be on [[Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord]]
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zealous ferry
Henrika is, in lore, Griselbrand's lover.
static spire
How has [[Bloodvial Purveyor]] been for you?
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Creature — Vampire
Flying, trample
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player creates a Blood token. (It's an artifact with ", , Discard a card, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Whenever Bloodvial Purveyor attacks, it gets +1/+0 until end of turn for each Blood token defending player controls.
5/6
static spire
or Kamber?
static spire
[[Patron of the Vein]] is another card which has been hanging out in the maybeboard a lot
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static spire
On one hand, pretty great. On the other hand, six mana is ouchies for a card which is often "destroy target creature, put a +1 on each vampire I control" if opponents don't "play along"
zealous ferry
I've had the purveyor in the list a long time and I don't know how it hasn't turned up yet
[[Master of the Dark Rites]] and Sorin help a lot on getting 6 mana vampires out
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Creature — Vampire Cleric
, Sacrifice another creature: Add . Spend this mana only to cast Vampire, Cleric, and/or Demon spells.
"With each sacrifice, we step closer to the Age of Everflowing Blood."
1/1
static spire
Master is utterly absurd
zealous ferry
T1 [[Necropolis Regent]] is a heck of a drug.
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zealous ferry
Swamp->Dark Ritual->Sorin->Regent
static spire
If you had to cut one nonland, non-vamp card for Sorin, which would it be?
zealous ferry
[[Undying Evil]]
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zealous ferry
vampires put +1/+1 counters on themselves a lot
static spire
Hmmm, I'll take that under consideration. I'm only on one 6-mana vamp ([[Crossway Troublemakers]]), do you think Sorin's two +1s help enough to make him worth running?
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static spire
Sorin seems like pretty solid removal and life gain, it's making me think
zealous ferry
He gives one of them lifelink/deathtouch with a counter for a turn
And the other one is him bolting something
since it's any target
static spire
I was also considering cutting Mana Drain. On one hand, Mana Drain is good to hit off the top, and pretty silly when I can sink all the colorless into one of Evelyn's spells... but it's also 2 mana, and it's hard to hit UU when casting from hand
zealous ferry
Yeah
That one can work too. Undying evil just feels equally likely to get stuck in your hand.
static spire
I feel like this deck would probably be stronger if I were comfortable adding all the 0 and 1 mana counterspells to hit off Evelyn
but I can't find enough cuts 😂 maybe in a future version
zealous ferry
It letting you do any color mana helps
for mana drain
since it could be bb from exile
static spire
yeah, but that's only if I DO exile it
idk
...also, just realized that Sorin is hilarious with Black Market Connections
zealous ferry
Yep
static spire
since he can sacrifice the changeling token, and regain the life I paid
zealous ferry
It's a good card
static spire
okay, Sorin over Mana Drain for now
zealous ferry
[[$sorin, imperious bloodlord]]
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static spire
If the Veinwitch package doesn't play nice, I think I'll cut 3 vamps for cheap counterspells
zealous ferry
The other sorin is also good
static spire
(I like having very round numbers of creatures, it's an OCD thing -- 33 is nice because it's precisely 1/3 of the deck, or 30 is nice because it's 3/10 including the commander)
static spire
The other sorin is also good
which one?
zealous ferry
[[Sorin the Mirthless]]
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static spire
...huh, you'll have to sell me on that one
he seems pretty mediocre to me, but I trust your judgment
zealous ferry
It's not as cracked, but he lets you see the top deck which is good for evelyn and he makes flyers
He's basically the first 2 modes
static spire
if only [[Sorin, Vampire Lord]]'s ult was more achievable lol
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Legendary Planeswalker — Sorin
+1: Up to one target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
−2: Sorin, Vampire Lord deals 4 damage to any target. You gain 4 life.
−8: Until end of turn, each Vampire you control gains ": Gain control of target creature."
Loyalty: 4
static spire
[[Urge to Feed]] is another I wanted to shove in, but it's just been outpaced over time
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static spire
(I just love any excuse to acquire Worldwake foils, ngl)
zealous ferry
Mm
I probably give too much weight to 2/3 flyers with lifelink.
Also I've only ever had him draw a land >_>;
And since it's a may, if you don't want to take damage you don't have to draw it.
But, as I said, it may just be better for Henrika because of the tokens having 2 keywords she cares about.
static spire
yeah, maybe
Another potential cut could be Titan of Littjara
I forget how much it doesn't synergize with things, since vampires manipulate a lot of stuff outside the board
and double-blue is hard of course
Oh heck, Sorin with Bloodghast (or, for that matter, Oathsworn Paladin). Didn't think of that 🤔
zealous ferry
Titan is sort of weird.
The double blue is hard though and it can't be put in place with Sorin
That would probably be too good
It can draw a lot of cards.
I didn't have one for the Elenda/Azor deck I put together last night, it probably would have wanted it.
static spire
It can draw a lot of cards, but I forgot it doesn't count itself -- and it also forces one discard, so you need at least 2 vampires (excluding itself) to go card positive
I didn't really go the madness route, since that's more of a red-black vamp thing, so the discard isn't card advantage to me
Titan is only worth running if I can either attack or scam it several times, but I'm already getting card advantage from scamming with Evelyn and low-key want to target her with those effects anyway so I'm feeling okay with cutting it for now
static spire
@zealous ferry if you needed to cut one non-vampire to add [[Phyrexian Altar]], which would it be?
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static spire
I know it's quite possible you say Undying Evil, which is fair, but I'd prefer not to go down on Scam effects if possible
jovial tinsel
why do you have Hexmage?
static spire
why do you have Hexmage?
It's just a good card tbh
jovial tinsel
also, based on your black pip density, i'm a little concerned about ancient tomb in the manabase
static spire
...also I love OG Zendikar foils and shoved as many as possible in here
jovial tinsel
fair enough
static spire
also, based on your black pip density, i'm a little concerned about ancient tomb...
yeah, it's a fair concern? but I really need more ways to get Evelyn out early
and once Evelyn comes down, I can use colorless mana to cast HER spells from exile
jovial tinsel
oh thats true evelyn's colorwashing
static spire
plus she has 2 colorless in her own CMC
and I can generally hit the 
with my other three lands without TOO much trouble
jovial tinsel
is there anything specific you want feedback on? i agree with some thoughts shared here earlier that veinwitch coven is very suspicious with only 5 cards in the main that gain you life
static spire
and I can generally hit the <:manab:908413062896300083><:manab:90841306289630008...
...oh hey! that was the 6666th comment in this thread LOL
jovial tinsel
is there anything specific you want feedback on? i agree with some thoughts shar...
same with oathsworn vampire
jovial tinsel
...oh hey! that was the 6666th comment in this thread LOL
how can you tell? also that's neat
static spire
is there anything specific you want feedback on? i agree with some thoughts shar...
The main feedback I'm looking for is basically this:
jovial tinsel
i think the lifegain package is much more incidental than focused, and adding payoffs for it that aren't good on their own is very dangerous
static spire
same with oathsworn vampire
I count 12 sources of lifegain in the main-deck, to be fair
jovial tinsel
oh i wasn't looking at lifelink whoops
i used the highlighter on moxfield and highlighted "gain" "life" and narrowed down from there
static spire
this deck is very comfortable attacking into suicidal board states in order to gain life when needed, but I agree that Veinwitch in particular is a little... questionable
jovial tinsel
12 is much more reasonable to consider payoffs for, but i still think veinwitch isn't great
static spire
Oathsworn is really tempting because I feel like, assuming I can gain life at least once in a turn, I can loop him from GY with a sac outlet -- he's the vampire Reassembling Skeleton
which also means he goes infinite with Phyrexian Altar (once I add it) and Pawn of Ulamog
exiles everyone's libraries
jovial tinsel
yeah i think oathsworn is fine, it's not that bad on its own
static spire
but yeah, Veinwitch is... sketchier. The idea was trying to pair Veinwitch with Kalastria Highborn / Blood Artist, so that I could basically have "whenever a creature I control dies, pay B. If you do, return it to hand"
It just feels like such an incredibly efficient card, in terms of card advantage
and graveyard-focused vampires which grind out advantage are this deck's theoretical bread and butter
🤷♀️
Either way, I want to re-add Scampire and I want to add Phyrexian Altar, so something has to go lol
Strategically it should probably be Kalastria Highborn and Veinwitch
...but I like Kalastria (worldwake foils... 🤤 ) and want to at least give Veinwitch a chance...
jovial tinsel
gatekeeper of malakir? the edict seems really low impact when it only hits one player
also doesn't synergize well with reanimation
static spire
...look, you're right, but I'm irrationally attached to OG Zendikar/Worldwake vampires 😂 twas my first Standard deck
seriously though you ARE right about that
jovial tinsel
yeahh i hate to tell you but some of those vampires have suffered from a very minor case of serious power creep
static spire
My very first Standard deck (at least the first I built myself) was 4x Bloodghast, 4x Gatekeeper of Malakir, 4x Kalastria Highborn, 4x Vampire Hexmage, 4x Malakir Bloodwitch, and 4x Vampire Nocturnus.
Oh, and [[Vampire Lacerator]], but he's actually unplayable in commander lol
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static spire
Long story short here, I'm trying to find them a home in modern EDH, but the great monstrous spectre of power creep comes for us all
jovial tinsel
https://scryfall.com/card/a25/114/vampire-lacerator
lmaoo
static spire
Hey, he was good for the times! Not, uh, good enough for me to really win any games, but he was good in my young heart
jovial tinsel
Long story short here, I'm trying to find them a home in modern EDH, but the gre...
i do think a lot of them are at least playable, but gatekeeper is arguably actively bad
static spire
You'd be surprised how often a targeted sacrifice can be useful, especially when it comes attached to a body which "cantrips" with Evelyn, but I agree he doesn't play nice with scam
jovial tinsel
there are better edicts
hey, [[sheoldred's edict]] has a vampire (vraan) in the art so theres that
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static spire
[[Henrika Domnathi]] is the only other edict on a vampire, and she's... weird
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Henrika, Infernal Seer
Legendary Creature — Vampire
Flying, deathtouch, lifelink
: Each creature you control with flying, deathtouch, and/or lifelink gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
"Once you've tasted demon blood, you'll wonder why you ever settled for human."
3/4
static spire
hey, [[sheoldred's edict]] has a vampire (vraan) in the art so theres that
If only Vraan had actually had this effect himself
okay, actually
silly question
given the absurd black devotion here
I wonder if there's any cards like Nykthos I could use effectively
I don't think I have a sufficient density of Swamps for Coffers though
Yeah, a quick Scryfall search says "only Nykthos is worth playing (since Gary isn't a vamp)"
jovial tinsel
if only [[march of the canonized]] was black, i knew there was something in the vamp precon that mentioned off-color devotion
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static spire
if only [[march of the canonized]] was black, i knew there was something in the ...
Oh, if that were black we'd be playing the heck out of it
Though it's already great in my Teysa list so I can't complain too much
static spire
Tentatively testing:
OUT: Veinwitch, Dusk Legion Zealot, Gatekeeper, Highborn, Dimir Signet
IN: Scampire, Phyrexian Altar, Snuff Out, Jet Medallion, Fellwar Stone
jovial tinsel
i was eyeing zealot but i didn’t do an actual examination of how much draw you had so i didn’t mention it
why highborn out?
static spire
why highborn out?
requiring the B payment with each death is... tricky
I'm indecisive here, so I think I may need to just sleep on these changes
I've been staring at the deck for too long lol
jovial tinsel
would you be willing to look at some of my decks tomorrow? i could use more sets of eyes
static spire
sure, I can do that!
static spire
Hm. I'm just scanning through higher-cost vampires. [[Ascendant Evincar]] is an interesting idea.
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static spire
He's half an Elesh Norn, since I think literally all my creatures are black.
Yeah, only two creatures in the deck are non-black 😂 Roaming Throne and Orvar, both of which survive the toughness reduction.
I suppose at that point I should just run Butcher though, sigh
zealous ferry
Sorry, I was at commander night
static spire
no worries! (hope it went well)
I'm just stuck in COVID quarantine bored out of my mind, feel free to ignore me
zealous ferry
I hope you're OK!
It didn't go great. Opponents got scared of my creatures and let an enchantress player sit untouched
static spire
I see 🤔 yeah, enchantress is one of the decks you can't let snowball
(as the pilot of one myself, haha)
static spire
Still need to fill four slots (most of the major possibilities are in the sideboard)
zealous ferry
What about [[demonic gifts]]?
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jovial tinsel
I suppose at that point I should just run Butcher though, *sigh*
grave pacts are a pain in casual imo
7 mana though so if you stick it you deserve it
jovial tinsel
One was Stangg and the other was Myrkul
ooh did the stangg player have any cool tech
static spire
What about [[demonic gifts]]?
I don't think that the two-cost Scam effects are worth it -- the exception being [[Fake Your Own Death]], since that's effectively 1 mana net
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Instant
Until end of turn, target creature gets +2/+0 and gains "When this creature dies, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control and you create a Treasure token." (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
static spire
At 2 mana I can just run [[Dance of the Dead]] or whatever
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When Dance of the Dead enters the battlefield, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with Dance of the Dead." Put enchanted creature card onto the battlefield tapped under your control and attach Dance of the Dead to it. When Dance of the Dead leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and doesn't untap during its controller's untap step.
At the beginning of the upkeep of enchanted creature's controller, that player may pay . If the player does, untap that creature.
jovial tinsel
why dance over [[animate dead]]
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zealous ferry
The one is unique because it enters untapped and doesn't try to exile later.
So it's the best of the 2 mana ones
I think the only other return untapped is [[goryo's vengeance]]
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Instant — Arcane
Return target legendary creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. That creature gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
Splice onto Arcane (As you cast an Arcane spell, you may reveal this card from your hand and pay its splice cost. If you do, add this card's effects to that spell.)
static spire
why dance over [[animate dead]]
Already running it haha
jovial tinsel
ah
static spire
The other option, to be fair, is [[Necromancy]]
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static spire
which can also do it instant-speed
But of the spells in the sideboard, which four would you pick?
zealous ferry
Nykthos, altar, highborn, zealot?
static spire
assuming I swapped a different land for Nykthos, that gives one more slot -- what's your fifth choice?
zealous ferry
Snuff
zealous ferry
@static spire so, this is looping back to [[Rona, Herald of Invasion]]
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: Draw a card, then discard a card.: Transform Rona. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)Rona, Tolarian Obliterator
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Wizard
Trample
Whenever a source deals damage to Rona, Tolarian Obliterator, that source's controller exiles a card from their hand at random. If it's a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield under your control. Otherwise, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.
"At last, I am compleat."
5/5
zealous ferry
I realized another card that you could use to trigger her "whenever a source deals damage"
If you build her around the looting aspect [[Feast of Sanity]] can ping her
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static spire
That’s spicy!
zealous ferry
I've been poking at it but I have way too many cards
But there are at least 4 other "free" 2-mana looters plus other 2 mv ones with triggered loots. [[Malcolm|LCI]], Ledger Shredder, etc.
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static spire
How many Swamps do you think you need to run before you decide to add [[Cabal Coffers]]?
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Land
, : Add for each Swamp you control.
Deep within the Cabal's vault, the Mirari pulsed like a dead sun—and its darkness radiated across Otaria.
jovial tinsel
How many Swamps do you think you need to run before you decide to add [[Cabal Co...
you’re on 33 lands and only 9 swamps not counting fetches and duals, i don’t think you’re even close to being able to justify it
static spire
Usually I'd also be running urborg then though
I am
static spire
you’re on 33 lands and only 9 swamps not counting fetches and duals, i don’t thi...
I could shift to be MUCH more black focused, potentially, since the deck only has like 5 blue cards
jovial tinsel
well you’d also have to sacrifice some utility lands and massively up your land count in a way that i really don’t think is worth it for the deck
you’ve got nykthos, not sure you really need more
zealous ferry
I just thought about this. If the returning mechanic from MaRo's hints is Conspire. How likely do you think it will impact your Wort deck?
static spire
I just thought about this. If the returning mechanic from MaRo's hints is Conspi...
I think it varies heavily on what that card IS -- if it's just an instant or sorcery with conspire on it, I'm not super interested unless it does what Wort wants. If it's another effect which grants conspire to many spells, it's much more likely to get included!
zealous ferry
I could see it being something like Taigam, so it might not give conspire in the same colors.
[[Taigam, Ojutai Examplar]]
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static spire
We will see! Either way, I liked Conspire as a mechanic so I'm never opposed to more of it.
I also liked Retrace to be fair
zealous ferry
It's harder to balance
static spire
For sure
zealous ferry
I like it too though
static spire
[[Decaying Time Loop]] is a very cool way to balance it though
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static spire
I need to make a few cuts in my decks, anyone want to help?
I need one cut in Avacyn, one cut in Locust God, and one cut in Hapatra 😭
Weirdly, I'm considering cutting Ashnod's Altar??
It's a combo piece, but it's only really useful IN the combo (or when I have my commander). On the other hand, it does help avoid wasting colored mana when going off
Alternatively, I could cut Divergent Transformations (it's just a little too random) or Firestorm (situational, but so spicy when it does work)
Could also cut Rhystic Study, since nobody in my playgroup lets me draw 😉
static spire
Testing Blasphemous Act, Dig Through Time, Lightning Bolt, and [REDACTED] over Firestorm, Goblin Bombardment, Cyberconversion, and Dack Fayden
One awkward consequence of this change is that I can no longer use Firestorm or Goblin Bombardment as my "clean" wincon if I draw my deck post-combat
So I'll need to win via either [[Sorcerer Class]], looping [[Lightning Bolt]] with Twister, or just "Cyc Rift, wheel, pass with 5 counterspells"
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When Sorcerer Class enters the battlefield, draw two cards, then discard two cards.
: Level 2
Creatures you control have ": Add or . Spend this mana only to cast an instant or sorcery spell or to gain a Class level."
: Level 3
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, that spell deals damage to each opponent equal to the number of instant and sorcery spells you've cast this turn.
static spire
This set of tweaks definitely raises my curve quite a bit -- ignoring the reductions, I've replaced 8 mana worth of cards with 21 worth of cards
But assuming that Blasphemous Act is nearly always 1R at most, and Dig Through Time is generally 2UU at the worst, it's really 10 mana
static spire
What creatures in blue-green can counter, prevent, or mitigate a board wipe?
I'm trying to build all-creatures Lonis again 😭
zealous ferry
I think these are thehttps://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22counter+target%22+o%3A%22enters+the+battlefield%22+commander%3Asimic+t%3Acreature+format%3Acommander&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name counterspellers
sage cloak
[[Mystic snake]]
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static spire
If you were trying to find two cuts for [[Kaya, Spirits' Justice]] and [[Teysa, Opulent Oligarch]], what would you pick? (If we find a third cut, preferrably one of high mana value, I kinda want to re-add Citadel as well.)
static spire
I think Promise of Aclazotz is one clear cut, but what about the other(s)?
lavish mantle
I’ll take a proper look when I’m on break
static spire
I’ll take a proper look when I’m on break
Sure, no rush!
lavish mantle
I like it although I find it odd at the lack of vampire token generation to force exiles. I guess most of your creatures are outright vampires anyway so it doesn’t matter much
static spire
I like it although I find it odd at the lack of vampire token generation to forc...
There's really not that many cards which make vampire tokens at a good rate, unfortunately 😦
I'm running all the good ones I could find
lavish mantle
Yeah the best vampire generator is in the wrong colours cause as it has white in it damn
I dig the list anyway since so many of your creatures are vampires I doubt it’ll make much difference
static spire
The only ones I'd consider playable are:
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: Create a 2/2 black Vampire creature token with flying.: Transform Bloodline Keeper. Activate only if you control five or more Vampires.Lord of Lineage
Creature — Vampire
Flying
Other Vampire creatures you control get +2/+2.
: Create a 2/2 black Vampire creature token with flying.
5/5
Artifact
Whenever one or more Vampires you control attack, create a Blood token. (It's an artifact with ", , Discard a card, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
, , Pay 1 life: Create a 1/1 white and black Vampire creature token with lifelink.
, , Sacrifice Glass-Cast Heart and thirteen Blood tokens: Each opponent loses 13 life and you gain 13 life.
Enchantment
, Discard a card: Create a 1/1 black Vampire Knight creature token with lifelink. Activate only once each turn.
At Sorin's appeal, Olivia Voldaren summoned the full might of her bloodline to gather at Lurenbraum Fortress.
Foul Rebirth
Sorcery — Adventure
Sacrifice a non-Demon creature. If you do, create a 4/3 white and black Vampire Demon creature token with flying.
static spire
I dig the list anyway since so many of your creatures are vampires I doubt it’ll...
Yeah, all of my creatures are vampires -- at least when they hit the field 😂 Roaming Throne and Sakashima and Orvar are Honorary Vampires
lavish mantle
I do find it funny that it’s a “casual” deck with things like mana crypt in it haha
static spire
Yeah the best vampire generator is in the wrong colours cause as it has white in...
Seriously though -- ugh, all the best vampire token-makers are outside my colors.
I would absolutely run Elenda the Dusk Rose, Ghalta and Mavrein, Edgar Markov, Elenda and Azor, and March of the Canonized if I could...
lavish mantle
Super unfortunate about that honestly
static spire
I do find it funny that it’s a “casual” deck with things like mana crypt in it h...
I just really need those early Evelyn casts to avoid wasting triggers 😂 I'm not running any tutors though, and generally speaking I'm forced to win only using the cards from other people's decks so it adapts pretty well to most levels of play
lavish mantle
That’s good I’d imagine something similar could be said for my pako and haldan deck that having lots of mana early is good
static spire
That’s good I’d imagine something similar could be said for my pako and haldan d...
Either way, glad you like the deck! Do you see anything you'd cut, so I can add a bit more stuff from the new set?
I want to put Call the Bloodline back in, at the very least
lavish mantle
I’m so bad at cutting cards haha
static spire
Same, trust me
Except I have a huge emotional attachment because I love all those OG Zendikar vamps
lavish mantle
Especially when it’s not my deck. When it’s mine I understand the kind of cards I want and enjoy
glacial cradle
No Tomik sadge
static spire
No Tomik sadge
for Teysa?
glacial cradle
Yeah
static spire
Yeah, I just don't think he does anything Teysa wants to do
Which is odd, right? Since he's the first explicitly PW-focused legend in Orzhov
glacial cradle
Yeah
static spire
But I don't think he's better than Teysa in command zone, and I don't think he does enough in the 99
glacial cradle
I know why he's not there, just sadge
static spire
Compared to other spells I could run in that slot
I'm just sad that he's not as pushed as, say, Voja
Who's printed in the same "promo only" slot
glacial cradle
Voja is so pushed
static spire
If he'd said something like "whenever one or more creatures attack a planeswalker you control, they sacrifice one" that would have been awesome
But no, "if you attack with 2 things I draw" is just... offbrand Mangara
And I'm definitely not running that guy
glacial cradle
[[Mangara]]
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glacial cradle
[[Mangara the diplomat]]
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glacial cradle
Ah yeah
jovial tinsel
thoughts on [[vein ripper]] in evelyn? iirc you currently run blood artists and sac outlets, right?
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static spire
thoughts on [[vein ripper]] in evelyn? iirc you currently run blood artists and ...
I do, but 6 mana is very rough
I'm thinking probably no, but I'm gonna test it anyway
[[Etrata Fugitive]] doesn't really play along with my existing themes, but I might run her as an efficient vamp anyway
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Assassin
Deathtouch
Face-down creatures you control have ": Turn this creature face up. If you can't, exile it, then you may cast the exiled card without paying its mana cost."
Whenever an Assassin you control deals combat damage to an opponent, cloak the top card of that player's library.
1/4
static spire
Oh! Speaking of new cards
Got to play a bunch of commander today and try a few of 'em out
lavish mantle
thats super cool did you get to try voja shes one of the ones i wanna build
static spire
In order of the games played:
Massacre Girl isn't nearly as good as I'd hoped, because it turns out that it's hard to guarantee combat damage to creatures so she basically reads "my creatures are unblockable" 90% of the time 😭
Kaya, Spirits' Justice is utterly amazing and singlehandedly dominated the board as soon as she came down. I think she's the most perfect card that I've gotten in years and years for Teysa, every line of text is super relevant. It was so good that it convinced most of the other decks at the table to add her to their various Orzhov decks 😂
Buried in the Garden is just a very solid and efficient card in Yenna. Doesn't really open up new play patterns per se, but it was just very efficient, and I was happy to see it. And it won me the game, as things worked out -- plus, another 4-mana aura for Light-Paws!
static spire
thats super cool did you get to try voja shes one of the ones i wanna build
Alas, I haven't had a chance, but I've got a few friends who built Voja and I hear he's tearing their current playgroups apart
He seems suuuuuper strong
lavish mantle
yeah ive put a list togehter and it seems like itll perform pretty well
jovial tinsel
I'm thinking *probably* no, but I'm gonna test it anyway
that was exactly my take too
static spire
I think the spiciest moment in tonight's gameplay was when someone said "I'll Swords your Mondrak" and I replied "neat, Kaya's static turns my token into Mondrak, I'll proceed without any interruption"
jovial tinsel
[[Etrata Fugitive]] doesn't really play along with my existing themes, but I mig...
i mean it kind of does, it’s also stealing your opponents top cards
lavish mantle
hahaha
static spire
Originally I'd planned to cut [[Promise of Aclazotz]] during this new set of changes, but I'm thinking that instead I should cut something else -- since I think (pending confirmation) that I can populate the copied things from Kaya's static 😂
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Foul Rebirth
Sorcery — Adventure
Sacrifice a non-Demon creature. If you do, create a 4/3 white and black Vampire Demon creature token with flying.
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static spire
kaya’s static you mean?
Ah, yes. That
jovial tinsel
iiii think that works? don’t quote me
static spire
i mean it kind of does, it’s also stealing your opponents top cards
Yeah, but I don't run any other assassins (except for Orvar and maybe Vein Ripper, if I choose to keep him in)
So she basically reads "this creature has manifest-touch"
static spire
iiii think that works? don’t quote me
I also believe that works -- generally copy effects are transitive like that -- but I'll get confirmation soon
I got confirmation, it works 😍 So now I think I'm cutting Necropotence instead of Promise of Aclazotz
green plover
Being named after Ace Attorney Spirit of Justice, I'm not surprised she ROSE to teh occasion.
static spire
WAIT
What if
What if I cut both
and instead put [[Nesting Dovehawk]] in as my populate effect
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static spire
Since that's itself a creature which can be manipulate by Kaya
green plover
Yeah, I have that in Anikthea already.
sage cloak
Lmao the cutoff for that gif
green plover
Hmmmmmm... well what's a card that you haven't gotten a chance to use a lot or has been more of a dead draw regularly for you?
That might be a good place to start?
static spire
Hmmmmmm... well what's a card that you haven't gotten a chance to use a lot or h...
...none of the cards are dead though 😂 the deck is getting too tuned, I've won games with, uh... pretty much everything
green plover
Ah ^^'
static spire
I'm thinking maaaaaybe [[Ajani, Strength of the Pride]]?
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static spire
Yes, he makes tokens, and yes that +1 is a great way to stabilize on life, but...
It's very rare to accomplish his "ult" unless I'm already winning very handily
And while I really despise cutting walkers, he was most useful when I was paying lots of life
green plover
That and you already have a lot of other more easily efficient forms of removal.
Though March of the Canonized honestly might be a little undertuned for this level of deck?
static spire
Wish there were any good ways to turn planeswalkers into creatures in my colors
green plover
Plus with the route you are going for with new Kaya, ahving more creatures seems more beneficial.
static spire
Though March of the Canonized honestly might be a little undertuned for this lev...
I've found it to be pretty great actually!
I love chaining Ashnod's Altar or Mondrak into "oh yes, X=50" -- and when I can't do that it's just a generally solid card
jovial tinsel
Wish there were any good ways to turn planeswalkers into creatures in my colors
i meaaaannn [[spark rupture]]
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green plover
Out of Time?
static spire
i meaaaannn [[spark rupture]]
Okay but that very definitely does the opposite of my intention here lol
