Daedalus's Deckbuilding Domain -- Help Appreciated!

[violet bloom]

personally, I was really disappointed with Reaver Cleaver, so it would be an easy pick for me, but I acknowledge that opinions on that one are divided

[static spire]

Interesting -- why did it disappoint you? I've found it to be absolute gas.

Also! We have officially crossed 1000 comments in this thread 😍

[wispy solstice]

I can delete a few comments if you like

[violet bloom]

It required a bit much setup in terms of having "a worthy" creature and I often wanted to do something else with the mana. Maybe it just wasnt the right deck for it

[kind quartz]

Happy 1000th comment 🥳

[static spire]

My commander is a 4/4 with vigilance and flying, so +1 and trample is good, plus being able to immediately recoup the mana is great

I've just loved the ability to tap out for it, then hold up mana after my second main for interaction

Also, it's another way to go infinite with [[Aggravated Assault]].

I prefer the art with Jackal Mom on it.

...TLDR, Reaver Cleaver has been my second slightly-inferior copy of [[Sword of Feast and Famine]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/296/sword-of-feast-and-famine

Sword of Feast and Famine <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from black and from green.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card and you untap all lands you control.
Equip

[static spire]

But a worse SoFaF is still a great card.

[topaz geyser]

love aggravated assault. needs to be reprinted more so it's cheap enough for more people to justify running it

[static spire]

[[$aggravated assault]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ons/185/aggravated-assault

Prices for Aggravated Assault

Secret Lair Drop

$29.09

Explorers of Ixalan

$42.72 • €25.96

Amonkhet Invocations

$112.87 • €69.85 • 1.93 TIX

Onslaught

$36.01 • €18.73 • 1.92 TIX

[static spire]

Ouphe, that's gone up again. It dipped to like $10 after Explorers of Ixalan came out.

[wispy solstice]

ouphe. lol

[topaz geyser]

yeah, gone are the days of it being cheap

[static spire]

I bought my Invocation copy for like $15.

[violet bloom]

I couldn't afford most of my decks if I had to pay today's prices

I guess I could, but I wouldn't want to 😛

[static spire]

Honestly, same? Same.

Most of my decks are $3000+ (once you factor in the fancy foils) and I would NEVER pay that much these days.

But my collection is deep enough at present that I can buy/trade my way into just about any new deck for $200 or less, assuming I don't need a Chains, Mox Diamond, etc.

I was VERY lucky to get into EDH early.

...and to have a good eye for buying things before the spike.

[wispy solstice]

yeah same

I basically have the majority of the staples , and now they are all real pricy

[violet bloom]

My problem is that I don't really wanna sell any of my stuff so prices really only reflect what I would have to pay and will not get the payoff during my lifetime 😛

[static spire]

I do sell my stuff every so often, when I have the opportunity

[wispy solstice]

I dont sell at highes. I do buy at lows tho

[violet bloom]

I sold a huge chunk when mirrodin came out and i was conviced the game would end because of the ugly new frame. but luckily I held on to my duals and Rl stuff

[static spire]

@plush marlin -- I'm running a [[Vadrok, Apex of Thunder]] Breach list with 1) no white, and 2) no LED.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/214/vadrok-apex-of-thunder

Vadrok, Apex of Thunder <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Dinosaur Cat
Mutate (If you cast this spell for its mutate cost, put it over or under target non-Human creature you own. They mutate into the creature on top plus all abilities from under it.)
Flying, first strike
Whenever this creature mutates, you may cast target noncreature card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard without paying its mana cost.
3/3

[static spire]

Because of this, I needed to have a way to generate mana to keep going with Breach, and I added High Tide so I could loop [[Frantic Search]] as a super deep dig effect.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/51/frantic-search

Frantic Search <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw two cards, then discard two cards. Untap up to three lands.
It took the banning of temporal manipulation at Tolaria West to teach its students the value of time.

[plush marlin]

I forget what the combo is with vadrok

[static spire]

(Dig a number of cards twice as deep as my starting GY size, and generate mana with High Tide in the process)

But, even in a two-color list, a lot of times I'd have only one Island. To properly go off with one of the MAIN kill lines -- [[Cloud of Faeries]] + [[Vadrok]] + [[Snap]] -- I need to have multiple copies of High Tide active at the same time.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/43/cloud-of-faeries

Cloud of Faeries <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie
Flying
When Cloud of Faeries enters the battlefield, untap up to two lands.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
1/1

Multiple cards match “Vadrok”, can you be more specific?

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/66/snap

Snap <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return target creature to its owner's hand. Untap up to two lands.
Good riddance.

[static spire]

So often, when comboing off, I end up going "Breach, High Tide, High Tide, High Tide, High Tide, combo-kill"

It's VERY fun, I can toss the list here if you'd like.

(The other "classic" kill like with Vadrok is Vadrok + Dockside + any bounce spell = infinite mana)

[plush marlin]

Sure, but I usually just play death n taxes, midrange depths or if I'm feeling like it blue soup piles.

Hm, what's your interaction for the deck/side?

[static spire]

I don't follow, what do you mean?

This is the list: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/j6Sdd1gTvEaGkya9edJVHQ

[plush marlin]

Wait, we are talking about legacy right?

Ooooh

Oh

My bad I thought we where talking about legacy high tide

Not cedh

[static spire]

Ahhhhh

No, sorry, I'm talking cEDH

...Legacy Breach-High Tide does sound fun though

[plush marlin]

The lists pretty ok, what's the line with the 4 mana enchantment?

[zealous ferry]

Mutate is a spell that targets a single creature

[static spire]

It might get cut, but it double-triggers on each iteration of the Vadrok loop and goes infinite almost instantly -- first it creates a clone from targeting a creature with Vadrok, then it creates ANOTHER clone (including the mutate ability Vadrok granted) from bouncing the stack back to hand.

Then when I mutate Vadrok again, I get to cast TWO spells from GY, then three the next time, then four, then...

Point is, it goes infinite very fast here, because it exponentially increases the output of my particular mutate ability relative to mana invested.

...with that being said, 4 mana is a lot? And it requires some moderate setup, and does its best work with Cloud of Faeries or Dockside in play.

It's a new addition I haven't gotten to test as much as I want to. This whole deck is currently being rebuilt / retuned.

[plush marlin]

That makes sense. I feel the deck needs a bit more exceleration

[zealous ferry]

That's the problem with testing a single card 😑 the "I don't know if it's any good I haven't seen it in play yet"

[static spire]

Got anything specific in mind? I'm very open to making it faster.

I don't own a Mox Diamond, for the record, and I tested Mana Vault but could rarely sink the colorless mana.

[plush marlin]

Proxies, but I assume your legs you play this at doesn't allow proxies?

[static spire]

I just prefer to avoid them in my own decks. Personal opinion, to be clear, I don't mind when other people play them against me. Though the whole M30 debacle is making me seriously consider proxying anything that's on the RL...

[plush marlin]

Do it honestly the rl is old and from a bygone era. If you personally don't want to use proxies that's totally cool.

[plush marlin]

Jeweled amulet, springleaf drum, pentaid prism

[zealous ferry]

Pentad Prism? Isn't that just going to be mana neutral at best?

[plush marlin]

Yeah I just suggested it for colour shifting with all that blue mana

[static spire]

Pentad Prism is an absolute MVP in my Roalesk deck, but I'm not fully convinced by it here. If I want to 'save up' mana over turns, I'd rather play more Treasure-makers, even the less good ones.

[zealous ferry]

[[Energy Refractor]]?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/234/energy-refractor

Energy Refractor <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
When Energy Refractor enters the battlefield, draw a card.
: Add one mana of any color.
"Raw energy contains infinite possibility." —Urza

[static spire]

Honestly, I've found that the bigger problem is the opposite -- stuff like [[Jeska's Will]] gives me easy access to RED mana, but blue is the limiting factor. Outside High Tide, of course.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/799/jeskas-will

Jeska's Will <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Choose one. If you control a commander as you cast this spell, you may choose both.
• Add for each card in target opponent's hand.
• Exile the top three cards of your library. You may play them this turn.
"Gather your strength. Prepare yourself." —Jeska, to Radha

[plush marlin]

Then it seems like something to possibly try out then

[zealous ferry]

Yeah, it would be there. Just 2cmc for 2 charge counters where you've had to spend a color each to cast it (so it doesn't get benefit from Vadrok)

[static spire]

I frequently win in Roalesk by storming off with Pentad (or similar "remove a counter for 1 mana" cards) plus [[Flux Channeler]].

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/52/flux-channeler

Flux Channeler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
"Inform our allies in the Tenth and throw the circuit. It's about to get weird."
2/2

[static spire]

Home-made Paradox Engine, bay-bee!

[zealous ferry]

Yes, the proliferate means it would get more counters. But Vadrok doesn't have the same benefit unless you're running a proliferate effect.

[static spire]

👍 I agree, I'm not convinced by Pentad in Vadrok.

[zealous ferry]

I'm trying to remember, [[Rielle, the everwise]] was in an early build of Vadrok?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/203/rielle-the-everwise

Rielle, the Everwise <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Rielle, the Everwise gets +1/+0 for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard.
Whenever you discard one or more cards for the first time each turn, draw that many cards.
"Being all-knowing is a matter of remembering which things it is crucial to forget."
0/3

[static spire]

Yep -- she's very strong, but as I shifted away from a "self-discard tribal" build she got cut.

...She'd still be included if she were non-human!

[zealous ferry]

Have you looked at [[Bitter Reunion]]?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/127/bitter-reunion

Bitter Reunion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
When Bitter Reunion enters the battlefield, you may discard a card. If you do, draw two cards.
, Sacrifice Bitter Reunion: Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn.
The peace summit proved the grudge between Urza and Mishra could end only in blood.

[static spire]

Hm. No, I haven't -- what's the goal with this? Would be funny with Displacer Kitten (what's NOT good with that cat?)

[zealous ferry]

There's that, but it also can give haste

[static spire]

Hm. I don't tend to use combat almost at all, in Vadrok, so that is a relatively small upside...

[zealous ferry]

OK, there were just enough creatures with attack triggers I wasn't sure if that wasn't any incidental upside.

[static spire]

...fair, fair

I suppose I do have Yusri, Ragavan, and Neheb

[zealous ferry]

And the arcanist

[wispy solstice]

Dude I love bitter reunion. cards awesome

[static spire]

@vast vale : Here's three decks where I often win on 3 lands...

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Vpiz7R8Rfk-0J7yX0AUQtA
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1i1MiqHaG02oBWsFfh7Vow
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/gEAfx1lf-EetM8pulvpknQ

...and here's 3 decks where I most definitely do NOT:

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/3Vm_imDyY0ic0T-O14lbdw
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/tAfa8BYilU2tot1R3QfxnA
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/gE66z099oEOHY1Efdtw3RQ

[vast vale]

I just store my decks on arckedect and brew a list then run it for a few weeks on Untap.in since the pandemic been difficult to refine a list with no consistent play group and being to lazy to go play irl

[static spire]

There's some interesting data to extract from this, looking at the differences in how the decks are constructed.

Avacyn survives because of two things: tutoring for Treasure sources (or sometimes Sword of Hearth and Home, to be fair), and because I've got the combination of a low curve and a lot of [[Rule of Law]] effects. Having more than 3 lands often doesn't do me any good, I win on the efficiency of low-curve stuff along with some artifact ramp -- my curve effectively STOPS at 4. With that being said, 3 lands is a little lower than I plan for, but something I've done a lot.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/35/rule-of-law

Rule of Law <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.
The law is meant to ensure that people kill each other with only the utmost fairness.

[static spire]

Hapatra is just super efficient on low-mana hands. I can lock people down and peacefully wait for land 4.

Katilda often finishes games on 2 lands because she's cheating 😛 every creature is a mana dork!

[vast vale]

https://discord.com/channels/675113113934364683/1055291026874568764
Made my own mega thread

[vast vale]

That makes way more sense, I listed a series of my own decks with a brief explanation on mana related. On second thought will make my own mega brew thread

[wispy solstice]

The actual reason katilda wins on 2 lands is protection from werewolves

It'll make my werewolf deck sad, I guess!

[static spire]

It's come up once or twice, lmao

[wispy solstice]

against morophon ? :y

[static spire]

Nah, in a previous meta there was a Tovolar deck whose removal all used fighting

[wispy solstice]

excellent thematic

I also have tovolar. like me some werewolves

[static spire]

Hmmmm. Has anyone here built [[Zethi]]?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/slx/17/zethi-arcane-blademaster

Zethi, Arcane Blademaster <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Multikicker
When Zethi, Arcane Blademaster enters the battlefield, exile up to X target instant cards from your graveyard, where X is the number of times Zethi was kicked. Put a kick counter on each of them.
Whenever Zethi attacks, copy each exiled card you own with a kick counter on it. You may cast the copies.
3/3

[static spire]

I was thinking about building her largely as a blink list, so I could experiment with blue-white blink without doing something boring like Abdel Adrian or Brago.

...I really want to use [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] in something 👀

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines

Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Vigilance
If a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Permanents entering the battlefield don't cause abilities of permanents your opponents control to trigger.
4/7

[static spire]

I suppose I could also go with [[Lavinia of the Tenth]] but that sounds really unfun for everyone.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/80/lavinia-of-the-tenth

Lavinia of the Tenth <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Protection from red
When Lavinia of the Tenth enters the battlefield, detain each nonland permanent your opponents control with mana value 4 or less. (Until your next turn, those permanents can't attack or block and their activated abilities can't be activated.)
4/4

[static spire]

I was also considering trying to build [[Niambi Beloved Protector]], if my playgroup will allow it.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ydmu/24/niambi-beloved-protector

Niambi, Beloved Protector <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Flash
When Niambi, Beloved Protector enters the battlefield, if you cast it, choose target nonlegendary creature card in your graveyard that was put there from the battlefield this turn. Return it to the battlefield. It perpetually gains "Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn."
2/2

[static spire]

My playgroup mostly approved Niambi, so it’s brewin’ time

[vast vale]

Wow

[static spire]

They're still deciding whether I get to keep the Perpetual bit, or no. Otherwise it'll become a normal ability, as if the word "perpetually" were deleted from the card.

[vast vale]

Yeah I have eyed [[Oglor, Devoted Assistant]] a few times

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ymid/20/oglor-devoted-assistant

Oglor, Devoted Assistant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Homunculus
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top two cards of your library, then put one of them into your graveyard.
Whenever a creature card is put into your graveyard from your library or hand, it perpetually gains "When this card leaves your graveyard, create a tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature token."
1/1

[vast vale]

Basically becomes a survil 2 tormod if I drop the perpetually

[glacial cradle]

[[Slayer's Bounty]] is the card I wish I could run

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ymid/10/slayers-bounty

Slayer's Bounty <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact — Clue
When Slayer's Bounty enters the battlefield, look at the creature cards in target opponent's hand.
Whenever you sacrifice Slayer's Bounty or another Clue, draft a card from Slayer's Bounty's spellbook.
, Sacrifice Slayer's Bounty: Draw a card.

[glacial cradle]

I have a clue deck, that'd be sick af to have

[static spire]

Heck, I missed the "if you cast it" clause on Niambi.

How can I reuse her ability effectively without blink abilities?

Cloudstone Curio is an option, I suppose. She's VERY low cost, but what things let me effectively -- and repeatedly -- bounce her to hand?

[static spire]

Okay okay okay

Here's an idea

Niambi and clones

Because when a clone enters the battlefield as a copy of Niambi, it can actually reanimate itself with its ability

And gain the perpetual "draw a card when targeted" ability

It's also a way to staple her "draw a card when targeted" ability to "legendary" things

[glacial cradle]

Funky

[static spire]

(Before I forget -- late-night deckbuilding thought, why am I not running [[Springleaf Drum]] in Light-Paws? It's a way for me to get T2 🦊 with protection, and on later turns I can fetch [[Cartouche of Solidarity]] to have an extra expendable thing to tap.)

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/291/springleaf-drum

Springleaf Drum <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
, Tap an untapped creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
"The music is in the drum. I simply coax it out to be heard."

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/7/cartouche-of-solidarity

Cartouche of Solidarity <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura Cartouche
Enchant creature you control
When Cartouche of Solidarity enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 white Warrior creature token with vigilance.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has first strike.

[plush marlin]

it really just depends on what your one mana creature count is to always see one in your opening hand

[static spire]

My one-mana creature count is very, very low. But that's actually not what I meant -- I meant "drop Drum T1, T2 drop Light-Paws and tap her to cast a 1-mana aura, then on a later turn use a 1-mana aura to fetch Cartouche of Solidarity and make another token I can tap for mana".

[plush marlin]

Ah so you just mean to play springleaf in the deck, yeah drum is a pretty good rock

[static spire]

Yeah -- one of my central problems is that I really want 1WW available on T2, in order to cast Light-Paws with immediate protection 🙂 Casting her T3 with protection is MUCH much less good.

[plush marlin]

i mean at that point you can also play jeweled amulet

[static spire]

[[Jeweled Amulet]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/me2/212/jeweled-amulet

Jeweled Amulet <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact
, : Put a charge counter on Jeweled Amulet. Note the type of mana spent to pay this activation cost. Activate only if there are no charge counters on Jeweled Amulet.
, Remove a charge counter from Jeweled Amulet: Add one mana of Jeweled Amulet's last noted type.

[static spire]

True, but I think Springleaf does it better.

[wispy solstice]

I find amulet really good in specific decks

[zealous ferry]

Wait, you weren't running it?

[static spire]

I just never considered it! I looked at the list, went "I have a low creature count and don't want to tap my commander most games", and set aside the Springleaf Drum until now.

[static spire]

It's funny with proliferate, too.

[wispy solstice]

Proliferateing is strictly forbidden, actually.

[static spire]

How so?

[wispy solstice]

Because I said so !

[static spire]

...man, I wish that Amulet didn't tap to remove the counter, I'd run the HECK out of it in that case.

I also eternally wish that the [[Calciform Pool]] cycle existed in enemy color-pairs, it's exactly what I'm trying to do in Roalesk with stuff like [[Pentad Prism]]...

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/275/calciform-pools

Calciform Pools

Land
: Add .
, : Put a storage counter on Calciform Pools.
, Remove X storage counters from Calciform Pools: Add X mana in any combination of and/or .

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/281/pentad-prism

Pentad Prism <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Sunburst (This enters the battlefield with a charge counter on it for each color of mana spent to cast it.)
Remove a charge counter from Pentad Prism: Add one mana of any color.

[wispy solstice]

Is the storage land cycle only a half cycle ?

[static spire]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[wispy solstice]

Wack

[zealous ferry]

I hate the land cycles they got halfway through

Even if they aren't great I'd hoped the lair cycle could have been finished with Ikoria

[static spire]

The storage cycle is in the awkward position of "too weak to be in high demand, too complex to print casually"

[[Mage-Ring Network]] is too weak to be worth it, in my testing.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/300/mage-ring-network

Mage-Ring Network

Land
: Add .
, : Put a storage counter on Mage-Ring Network.
, Remove any number of storage counters from Mage-Ring Network: Add for each storage counter removed this way.

[static spire]

The ability to pull counters off even when tapped is a huge, huge benefit of the original land cycle.

[wispy solstice]

also. Random note. but I like somecolors having unique options, not every land design needs to be a full cycle, ya know?

Follow up, mage ring network seems terrible compared to the actual storage lands xD

[plush marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[wispy solstice]

True, why not both

[static spire]

Wait

Why have I not tested [[Sakashima's Will]] in Roalesk?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/91/sakashimas-will

Sakashima's Will <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Choose one. If you control a commander as you cast this spell, you may choose both.
• Target opponent chooses a creature they control. You gain control of it.
• Choose a creature you control. Each other creature you control becomes a copy of that creature until end of turn.

[static spire]

Let all my stuff die at once, then mega-proliferate.

In this deck, I might legitimately run a card which says "3U: Sacrifice all but one creatures you control, then proliferate 2X+2 times, where X is the number of creatures sacrificed this way."

It's like [[The Elderspell]] for proliferate!

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/89/the-elderspell

The Elderspell <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy any number of target planeswalkers. Choose a planeswalker you control. Put two loyalty counters on it for each planeswalker destroyed this way.
The path to power is often paved with atrocities.

[glacial cradle]

[[Roalesk]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/349/roalesk-apex-hybrid

Roalesk, Apex Hybrid <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Mutant
Flying, trample
When Roalesk, Apex Hybrid enters the battlefield, put two +1/+1 counters on another target creature you control.
When Roalesk dies, proliferate, then proliferate again. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there. Then do it again.)
4/5

[glacial cradle]

Mmmm, mhm

And with roalesk out you get the double effect

[static spire]

What do you mean?

[static spire]

Damn, I just had a game that went like this:

T1 Carpet of Flowers
T2 Heronblade Elite
T3 Roalesk (3 counters on Heronblade)
T4 kicked Rite of Replication (5 counters on Heronblade, 10 counters on Roalesk, proliferate 10 times), swing for lethal.

[glacial cradle]

You get to also steal something that, I suppose, will immediately die

[static spire]

Yeah, it's got incidental removal attached!

If Sakashima's Will ends up staying in the list, I'll probably put [[Scurry Oak]] back in. It got cut because I didn't have a good way to profit off the tokens, but... 👀

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/172/scurry-oak

Scurry Oak <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Treefolk
Evolve (Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Scurry Oak, you may create a 1/1 green Squirrel creature token.
1/2

[static spire]

I really want a version of Sakashima's Will that says "any number of creatures you control become a copy of the chosen creature" rather than all, though... 😭

[zealous ferry]

Yeah. When I was looking at esper Urza I thought about making him a non-creature so everything would retain menace.

[static spire]

Based on some advice from here, I'm gonna try cutting Halvar from my Avacyn list, in favor of [[Puresteel Paladin]]. I realized recently that my blink effects let me draw with Puresteel, when I blink the creatures with reconfigure.

This may lead me to stick [[Komainu Battle Armor]] back in...

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/69/puresteel-paladin

Puresteel Paladin <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Knight
Whenever an Equipment enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card.
Metalcraft — Equipment you control have equip as long as you control three or more artifacts.
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/21/komainu-battle-armor

Komainu Battle Armor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact Creature — Equipment Dog
Menace
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has menace.
Whenever Komainu Battle Armor or equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, goad each creature that player controls.
Reconfigure (: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
2/2

[static spire]

Also, man, I wish I could run [[Forgeborn Phoenix]] in paper...

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/yneo/23/forgeborn-phoenix

Forgeborn Phoenix <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact Creature — Equipment Phoenix
Flying
Equipped creature has flying.
Whenever Forgeborn Phoenix or equipped creature dies, it perpetually gains "Whenever an equipped creature you control deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped."
Reconfigure
2/2

[wispy solstice]

Obviously you re add the battle armor. its an equipment dog

and alchemy cards make me upsetti, so often they could be real cards if they just tweaked them slightly

[static spire]

"Whenever Forgeborn Phoenix or equipped creature dies, exile it with a rebirth counter. Whenever an equipped creature you control deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, return the exiled card to the battlefield tapped."

or just

"Whenever Forgeborn Phoenix or equipped creature dies, exile it with a rebirth counter until an equipped creature you control deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker."

[zealous ferry]

I'd think you'd have to get an emblem rather than exile it from the graveyard and note the name of the card.

Like with [[Volo|CLB]] and recording creature types

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/103/volo-itinerant-scholar

Volo, Itinerant Scholar <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
When Volo enters the battlefield, create Volo's Journal, a legendary colorless artifact token with hexproof and "Whenever you cast a creature spell, note one of its creature types that hasn't been noted for this artifact."
, : Draw a card for each creature type noted for target permanent you control named Volo's Journal.
Choose a Background
2/3

[static spire]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/wrJxpzO12kqucwccX086QQ

I updated my Kroxa primer, if anyone wants to take a look!

I could also use help finding a cut for [[Anger]] if possible!

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/113/anger

Anger <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Incarnation
Haste
As long as Anger is in your graveyard and you control a Mountain, creatures you control have haste.
"Molten earth has no anger of its own. Only by infusing it with your own rage can the magma seethe and take shape." —Koth of the Hammer
2/2

[static spire]

I cut [[Bloodchief Ascension]] for now, but I'm considering my options.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/zen/82/bloodchief-ascension

Bloodchief Ascension <:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each end step, if an opponent lost 2 or more life this turn, you may put a quest counter on Bloodchief Ascension. (Damage causes loss of life.)
Whenever a card is put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, if Bloodchief Ascension has three or more quest counters on it, you may have that player lose 2 life. If you do, you gain 2 life.

[zealous ferry]

So what's causing problems for you with Azorius?

[static spire]

God, what isn't causing problems for me in Azorius

[zealous ferry]

I got that you're not wild about blink as an archetype (I'm not either)

And I'm guessing "fliers" and hard control aren't interesting.

[static spire]

I want to be wild about blink, dammit

I really want a deck to abuse [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]]

!compleat-me-mommy

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines

Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Vigilance
If a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Permanents entering the battlefield don't cause abilities of permanents your opponents control to trigger.
4/7

[zealous ferry]

[[Preston]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/j22/8/preston-the-vanisher

Preston, the Vanisher <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Wizard
Whenever another nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, if it wasn't cast, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's a 0/1 white Illusion.
, Sacrifice five Illusions: Exile target nonland permanent.
2/5

[static spire]

And him, he's cool too

[zealous ferry]

My husband built him. It's absurd

He got 8 initiative triggers in one turn

[static spire]

Here's my problem with blink decks -- they go infinite TOO EASY

[zealous ferry]

Yep, that's sort of my general problem.

[static spire]

I love infinite combos

I don't love two-card "oops I win" combos

[zealous ferry]

Tokens, historic, card draw, voltron and artifact/enchantments are sort of what's left.

[static spire]

Yeah... Lemme lay out how my experiments have gone in Azorius so far

Ephara: Turned into a really hard-control tokens deck. Got boring.
Dragonlord Ojutai: Turns out I have enough voltron decks, got boring.
Abdel Adrian / Candlekeep: Went infinite too easily, got boring.
Isperia the Inscrutible: Was too slow and fragile, never really DID anything.
Niambi Beloved Protector: Requires a rule zero, still unclear if my playgroup will allow it.
Raffine: Turns decks turned out to be boring.
Azor: Stax decks turned out to be boring, AND piss off my opponents.
Lavinia: Stax decks turned out to be boring, AND piss off my opponents (again).
Brago: God, he's just so solved, I had no way to make him interesting.
Bruna: Light-Paws does the job better.
Tameshi: Became a stax / prison deck really fast.
Zethi: I love her design but I haven't gotten it to work right yet?

I think that's all the Azorius commanders I've tried to build in the last couple years

[zealous ferry]

Minor point, Raffine is Esper

[static spire]

I built Raffine as Azorius colors only.

[zealous ferry]

Ahh

Rhoda Timin would be too prison based on your lists.

[static spire]

[[Rhoda]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/voc/8/rhoda-geist-avenger

Rhoda, Geist Avenger <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Partner with Timin, Youthful Geist (When this creature enters the battlefield, target player may put Timin into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Vigilance
Whenever a creature an opponent controls becomes tapped, if it isn't being declared as an attacker, put a +1/+1 counter on Rhoda, Geist Avenger.
3/3

[static spire]

[[Timmin]]

[timber mesa]

Multiple cards match “Timmin”, can you be more specific?

[static spire]

[[Timmin Geist]]

[timber mesa]

No card found for “Timmin Geist”

[static spire]

[[Timin Geist]]

[zealous ferry]

[[Timin, youthful]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/voc/16/timin-youthful-geist

Timin, Youthful Geist <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Spirit
Partner with Rhoda, Geist Avenger (When this creature enters the battlefield, target player may put Rhoda into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Flying
At the beginning of each combat, tap up to one target creature.
3/4

https://scryfall.com/card/voc/16/timin-youthful-geist

Timin, Youthful Geist <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Spirit
Partner with Rhoda, Geist Avenger (When this creature enters the battlefield, target player may put Rhoda into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Flying
At the beginning of each combat, tap up to one target creature.
3/4

[static spire]

finally

Eh, could potentially be interesting, I suppose!

I've never had a Partners deck

It's cute with [[Verity Circle]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/voc/116/verity-circle

Verity Circle <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature an opponent controls becomes tapped, if it isn't being declared as an attacker, you may draw a card.
: Tap target creature without flying.
"Here, there is only truth." —Barvisa, Azorius emissary

[static spire]

I generally avoid building precon commanders, but...

[zealous ferry]

I've been poking around of [[Urza, Lord Protector]] based around historic cards.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/225/urza-lord-protector

Urza, Lord Protector <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Artifact, instant, and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
: If you both own and control Urza, Lord Protector and an artifact named The Mightstone and Weakstone, exile them, then meld them into Urza, Planeswalker. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/4

[zealous ferry]

The reason I say it might be too prison is they do better if you're focused on you tapping opponent's creatures

And if not that it's spirits where tapping is incidental

But say [[Githzerai Monk]] for example

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/20/githzerai-monk

Githzerai Monk <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Gith Monk
Flash
Flying
Psychic Defense — When Githzerai Monk enters the battlefield, tap all creatures you don't control.
The githzerai dwell in the heart of Limbo, shaping the chaos of that plane with their powerful psionic abilities.
3/2

[zealous ferry]

[[Greatsword of Tyr]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/22/greatsword-of-tyr

Greatsword of Tyr <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on it and tap up to one target creature defending player controls.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
In the light of its gleaming blade, the faithful shine and the wicked cower.

[static spire]

I must confess, my brain immediately goes to "we can prevent the creatures from untapping with Static Orb and friends!"

Because I'm a monster

[zealous ferry]

Which leads to "maybe it's easier if I don't let them come bakc up"

Oh that's where my brain has gone too with them.

[static spire]

Huh, if my opponents would still let me Rule Zero [[Niambi Beloved Protector]] in the 99 of this deck, that's actually super neat with Timmin

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ydmu/24/niambi-beloved-protector

Niambi, Beloved Protector <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Flash
When Niambi, Beloved Protector enters the battlefield, if you cast it, choose target nonlegendary creature card in your graveyard that was put there from the battlefield this turn. Return it to the battlefield. It perpetually gains "Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn."
2/2

[static spire]

Change him from "tap something every turn" to "draw a card every turn"

[zealous ferry]

Them being partner with also means you can blink Timin for topdeck clearing

Since you can search and fail to find.

[static spire]

...also very interesting!

Okay, okay, I'm maybe getting sold here

I still want to try and tinker with Zethi first

[zealous ferry]

Rhoda and Timin are basically the Azorius commanders I have dreamed of and just held off making because I don't want to do hard prison.

Geist of St Traft has an infinite combo

[static spire]

Which one?

[zealous ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbc3r6lSUic

He's more of an engine starter for it because he generates angels on attack.

[static spire]

That combo doesn't particularly bug me, it's at least 3 pieces

It also doesn't directly 2-card combo with the commander

[zealous ferry]

I made [[Esior]][[Ishai]] because I wanted to do soft control

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/67/esior-wardwing-familiar

Esior, Wardwing Familiar <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird
Flying
Spells your opponents cast that target one or more commanders you control cost more to cast.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
1/3

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/12/ishai-ojutai-dragonspeaker

Ishai, Ojutai Dragonspeaker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird Monk
Flying
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, put a +1/+1 counter on Ishai, Ojutai Dragonspeaker.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
"Through me, the Great Teacher's voice will rattle this world."
1/1

[zealous ferry]

So it's mostly about protecting Ishai and control elements that slightly tax people and prevent interacting with my pieces, but not keeping them from actually playing

[static spire]

Definitely an interesting angle. I think that my problem with Azorius is that I don’t enjoy preventing people from doing things. I choose to be the threat, not the police. Proactive and not reactive.

Problem is, when I build an Azorius deck with that “be the problem” mentality, it ends up becoming very hard stax

[zealous ferry]

It also has a slight chaos element with [[Dovescape]]+[[Lier|Vow]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/dis/143/dovescape

Dovescape <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manawu:292901508696113153><:manawu:292901508696113153><:manawu:292901508696113153>

Enchantment
( can be paid with either or .)
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, counter that spell. That player creates X 1/1 white and blue Bird creature tokens with flying, where X is the spell's mana value.

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/24/militia-rallier

Militia Rallier <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Militia Rallier can't attack alone.
Whenever Militia Rallier attacks, untap target creature.
"We can wait like helpless children for a hero, or we can gather our courage and be the heroes. Who's with me?"
3/3

[zealous ferry]

...

[[Lier, disciple]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/59/lier-disciple-of-the-drowned

Lier, Disciple of the Drowned <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Spells can't be countered.
Each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard has flashback. The flashback cost is equal to that card's mana cost.
Beneath the waves, lost gods stir in their slumber.
3/4

[static spire]

Man, I do love me some Lier

[zealous ferry]

Nothing can be countered, everyone gets birds

[[Soulcatchers Aerie]] everyone's birds get bigger

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/jud/25/soulcatchers-aerie

Soulcatchers' Aerie <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever a Bird is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, put a feather counter on Soulcatchers' Aerie.
Bird creatures get +1/+1 for each feather counter on Soulcatchers' Aerie.

[static spire]

Returning to other decks for a second, my problem so far with Zethi is that she’s very mana intensive in colors without great ramp

And it has to be colored mana too

[zealous ferry]

Yeah, you basically have to go hard mana rocks

And Tithe

[static spire]

She’s also slow because she only has an effect on combat

So I also need to protect an obviously threatening commander until my next turn

I wanted to build her with High Tide, but that doesn’t work correctly.

[zealous ferry]

You need to use her with cards like [[Stenn]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/221/stenn-paranoid-partisan

Stenn, Paranoid Partisan <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
As Stenn, Paranoid Partisan enters the battlefield, choose a card type other than creature or land.
Spells you cast of the chosen type cost less to cast.
: Exile Stenn. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
2/2

[static spire]

I was going to do Zethi blink but that doesn’t really work either

[zealous ferry]

On paying for multikicker, having tokens and sacrificing them with [[Phyrexian Altar]] is the best option I can think of that isn't tithe/rocks

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/311/phyrexian-altar

Phyrexian Altar <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Add one mana of any color.
"Unskin these impure bodies, Great Yawgmoth, that the flesh may welcome your blessings." —Phyrexian Scriptures

[zealous ferry]

Since she's only W/U hybrid on kicker.

[static spire]

Mhm… Even though High Tide doesn’t really work with her abilities, it’s at least good to get her out with some kicks

My question is — how do I actually WIN?

Because she seems like another “cast lots of removal spells” commander without a solid wincon

Which just make people grumpy

Could do all the [[Monastery Mentor]] effects I suppose

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/21/monastery-mentor

Monastery Mentor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create a 1/1 white Monk creature token with prowess.
"Speak little. Do much."
2/2

[static spire]

Pair those with the Phyrexian Altar you suggested

I wonder if there’s any good UW instants to support a go-wide tokens strategy

[zealous ferry]

Stenn, Elminster, Helm of Awakening etc.

Hmm

What about [[Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/216/noyan-dar-roil-shaper

Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Ally
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may put three +1/+1 counters on target land you control. If you do, that land becomes a 0/0 Elemental creature with haste that's still a land.
After many years as a lullmage, Noyan Dar turned his talents from allaying Zendikar's fury to the considerably easier task of rousing it.
4/4

[zealous ferry]

This was the list Spice8Rack brought for Shuffle up and play. https://archidekt.com/decks/3268156#Spice8Rack's_Noyan_Dar

[static spire]

[[Dramatic Reversal]] as a mana ritual as well

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/20/dramatic-reversal

Dramatic Reversal <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Untap all nonland permanents you control.
"Nobody asked you to butt in, Jace. But thanks." —Chandra Nalaar

[static spire]

And I might as well play [[Isochron Scepter]] at that point, since we're kinda "cheap instants dot dek"

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/264/isochron-scepter

Isochron Scepter <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Imprint — When Isochron Scepter enters the battlefield, you may exile an instant card with mana value 2 or less from your hand.
, : You may copy the exiled card. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.

[static spire]

I don't mind having those two together here, since I need an actual sink and don't have one in CZ

[zealous ferry]

[[Goldbug]] could be interesting with Zethi

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bot/11/goldbug-humanitys-ally-goldbug-scrappy-scout

Goldbug, Humanity's Ally <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to attacking Humans you control.
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, convert Goldbug.
3/3

Goldbug, Scrappy Scout
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (As long as it's your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Human spells you control can't be countered.
Whenever Goldbug and at least one Human attack, draw a card and convert Goldbug.
1/3

[static spire]

I'm not touching that with a ten food pole 😛

[zealous ferry]

LOL

[static spire]

Besides, [[Flawless Maneuver]] does the trick better anyway

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/26/flawless-maneuver

Flawless Maneuver <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
If you control a commander, you may cast this spell without paying its mana cost.
Creatures you control gain indestructible until end of turn.
"Captain, your units are the tip of our spear. There is zero room for failure." —Jirina Kudro

[zealous ferry]

Fair. It was more brainstorming

[static spire]

Brainstorming is always great!

[zealous ferry]

Ooh, [[Myrel]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/18/myrel-shield-of-argive

Myrel, Shield of Argive <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
During your turn, your opponents can't cast spells or activate abilities of artifacts, creatures, or enchantments.
Whenever Myrel, Shield of Argive attacks, create X 1/1 colorless Soldier artifact creature tokens, where X is the number of Soldiers you control.
3/4

[zealous ferry]

With Zethi

they're both soldiers

Elspeths make soldiers

Tura, while not a soldier, makes soldiers when you casts instants/sorceries

Spell slinger incidental soldiers

[static spire]

Ooooh, that's a good idea!

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-its-all-coming-together-gif-12813012

[zealous ferry]

[[Call the Coppercoats]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/195/call-the-coppercoats

Call the Coppercoats <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Strive — This spell costs more to cast for each target beyond the first.
Choose any number of target opponents. Create X 1/1 white Human Soldier creature tokens, where X is the number of creatures those opponents control.
When the alarm crystals flash, Drannith's finest answer the call.

[zealous ferry]

These are azorius commander cards that make soldier tokens or care about soldiers https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3Aazorius+o%3Asoldier+format%3Acommander

[static spire]

I continue to be saddened that [[Defiler of Faith]] can't reduce instants

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/16/defiler-of-faith

Defiler of Faith <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Phyrexian Human
Vigilance
As an additional cost to cast white permanent spells, you may pay 2 life. Those spells cost less to cast if you paid life this way. This effect reduces only the amount of white mana you pay.
Whenever you cast a white permanent spell, create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token.
5/5

[zealous ferry]

Yeah 😦

[static spire]

Myrel and [[Veteran Soldier]] are the only two that really pop out as worth running

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/48/veteran-soldier

Veteran Soldier <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever this creature attacks a player, if no opponent has more life than that player, for each opponent, create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token that's tapped and attacking that opponent."
You've always been happiest fighting for a cause you believe in alongside loyal comrades.

[zealous ferry]

Hmm

[static spire]

I'll have to mess with this later

But I think the central question is two-fold

How to get enough mana to kick her several times

How to keep that mana in second main phase

Displacer Kitten is another way to get extra mana after spending it all on her trigger

By blinking rocks

Followed by the classic "okay, but how do I WIN"

I might need to use [[Hullbreaker Horror]] here, it's too good to skip

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/724/hullbreaker-horror

Hullbreaker Horror <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Kraken Horror
Flash
This spell can't be countered.
Whenever you cast a spell, choose up to one —
• Return target spell you don't control to its owner's hand.
• Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
7/8

[zealous ferry]

I'm guessing other than ballista

[static spire]

?

[zealous ferry]

If you're making infinite or near infinite mana

Winning with her though... emptying your library with spells and self-mill effects?

[[Brainfreeze]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/57/brain-freeze

Brain Freeze <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target player mills three cards.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)

[static spire]

I'm not gonna win with Thoracle, I'm not a hack 😛

[zealous ferry]

There's going with lifelink for each creature you control and Aetherflux

[[Candlekeep Inspiration]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/59/candlekeep-inspiration

Candlekeep Inspiration <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X, where X is the number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are instant cards, are sorcery cards, and/or have an Adventure.
Tales of heroes past galvanize the heroes of the future.

[static spire]

Aetherflux is a fun idea though!

[static spire]

If only that were an instant... still, that's cool!

[zealous ferry]

Cards like [[Rally for the Throne]] etc.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/25/rally-for-the-throne

Rally for the Throne <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Create two 1/1 white Human creature tokens.
Adamant — If at least three white mana was spent to cast this spell, you gain 1 life for each creature you control.
"If you're as loyal as you claim, now is the time to show it." —Queen Linden of Ardenvale

[static spire]

I do like that angle!

[zealous ferry]

Original [[Elspeth Tirel]] combines them

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/som/6/elspeth-tirel

Elspeth Tirel <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker — Elspeth
+2: You gain 1 life for each creature you control.
−2: Create three 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens.
−5: Destroy all other permanents except for lands and tokens.
Loyalty: 4

[static spire]

I have a lovely foil Aetherflux that's been looking for a deck 😉

[static spire]

The original is Knight Errant, but yeah, that could be cool!

[zealous ferry]

Why did I think she was second. but you get what I mean...

[static spire]

I definitely do

[zealous ferry]

[[Nykthos Paragon]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/22/nykthos-paragon

Nykthos Paragon <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you gain life, you may put that many +1/+1 counters on each creature you control. Do this only once each turn.
Though Heliod turned against humanity in his hunger for power, the ideals he once championed still stand strong.
4/6

[static spire]

For themes, so far we have -- instants, self-mill, life-gain, token-making...

That's a lot to stuff into a single deck, so I'm looking for places which overlap between them.

Preferably overlapping self-mill, instants, and/or tokens

Aetherflux will handle the life-gain just fine

[[Aetherflux]] [[Zethi]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir

Aetherflux Reservoir <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Whenever you cast a spell, you gain 1 life for each spell you've cast this turn.
Pay 50 life: Aetherflux Reservoir deals 50 damage to any target.
While most power is used for ordinary, everyday tasks, one shouldn't underestimate its potential for the extraordinary.

https://scryfall.com/card/slx/17/zethi-arcane-blademaster

Zethi, Arcane Blademaster <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Multikicker
When Zethi, Arcane Blademaster enters the battlefield, exile up to X target instant cards from your graveyard, where X is the number of times Zethi was kicked. Put a kick counter on each of them.
Whenever Zethi attacks, copy each exiled card you own with a kick counter on it. You may cast the copies.
3/3

[static spire]

If I cast 5 spells with Zethi, I gain 25 because of how Aetherflux is phrased

My primary concern with this deck's gameplay is that I'm incentivized to just sink mana casting the same instants/sorceries every turn, without advancing my actual strategy (or doing anything new)

Phyrexian Altar + token-makers fixes some of that, since I can still do new things second main

Same with net-zero-mana instants / sorceries (Snap and Frantic Search)

(Also, note-to-self: Later, I need to use this channel to discuss how to fit ONE spoilers into decks)

[zealous ferry]

It will be OK to discuss new cards in the deck brewing pages?

I still think [[Candlekeep Inspiration]] would be worth including

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/59/candlekeep-inspiration

Candlekeep Inspiration <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X, where X is the number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are instant cards, are sorcery cards, and/or have an Adventure.
Tales of heroes past galvanize the heroes of the future.

[zealous ferry]

With the number of instants/sorceries you'll be exiling if you go wide it's a brute force wincon

[static spire]

It should be, I think, if we keep it contained to this single thread.

[static spire]

Okay, so! Since we've counted these spoilers as "official", they're kosher for discussion here.

Let's see if we can find us some slots...

Things I strongly want to add/test:

Avacyn (4): Skrelv, Defector Mite, The Mycosynth Gardens, Elesh Norn MOM, Nahiri
Hapatra (1): Cankerbloom
Teysa (2): The Eternal Wanderer, Norn's Wellspring
Araumi (1): Unctus, Grand Metatect
Katilda (3): Tadeas, Juniper Ascendant, Melira, the Living Cure, Portal to Phyrexia
Light-Paws (1): Skrelv, Defector Mite
Roalesk (4): Blade of Shared Souls, Ezuri, Stalker of Spheres, Bloated Contaminator, Scurry Oak

Avacyn, Hapatra, and Roalesk are the highest priorities since I'm bringing them to commander night tonight.

Hapatra is easy, Cankerbloom is strictly better than [[Outland Liberator]] for my purposes.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/190/outland-liberator-frenzied-trapbreaker

Outland Liberator <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Werewolf
, Sacrifice Outland Liberator: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
Daybound (If a player casts no spells during their own turn, it becomes night next turn.)
"Just hold still. I'll help you."
2/2

Frenzied Trapbreaker
Creature — Werewolf
, Sacrifice Frenzied Trapbreaker: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
Whenever Frenzied Trapbreaker attacks, destroy target artifact or enchantment defending player controls.
Nightbound (If a player casts at least two spells during their own turn, it becomes day next turn.)
3/3

[static spire]

While generally I'd balk at cutting a werewolf, my Furry Representation Quota (FRQ) is maintained thanks to [[Young Wolf]], so we're safe for that change!

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/dka/134/young-wolf

Young Wolf <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Wolf
Undying (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.)
The Ulvenwald makes no allowances for youth. Today's newborn is either tomorrow's hunter or tomorrow's lunch.
1/1

[static spire]

Roalesk and Avacyn are much harder, they'll require thought.

[zealous ferry]

Trying to remember [[ezuri|one]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/201/ezuri-stalker-of-spheres

Ezuri, Stalker of Spheres <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Elf Warrior
When Ezuri, Stalker of Spheres enters the battlefield, you may pay 3. If you do, proliferate twice.
Whenever you proliferate, draw a card.
"Ah, my old friends. Have you decided at last to stop clinging to the past and join me in the grand pursuit of perfection?"
3/3

[static spire]

After some games today -- [[Portal to Phyrexia]] SLAPS and I am adding it to Katilda, so add that to the list of updates I need to make.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/240/portal-to-phyrexia

Portal to Phyrexia <:mana9:292901508826005504>

Artifact
When Portal to Phyrexia enters the battlefield, each opponent sacrifices three creatures.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. It's a Phyrexian in addition to its other types.
After five thousand years, the nightmare returned.

[glacial cradle]

Just as a pure outlet for that deck's mana?

[static spire]

As an outlet, and also a way to ensure I never lose access to my (very critical) commander!

They can kill Katilda all they want, I'll get her back on my upkeep if needed. Or just steal spicy stuff from opposing graveyards, depending on what the gamestate is. I can easily hit 9 mana on T3-4 in that deck, so it's (bizarrely enough) totally feasible as a "protection" piece.

[static spire]

I made my first set of Roalesk changes before playing tonight, and apart from some unfortunate land-screw, the deck performed very well with the modifications.

IN: Nesting Grounds, Blade of Shared Souls (which is indeed BOSS), Scurry Oak, One With the Kami

OUT: Mage-Ring Network, Urban Daggertooth, Hadana's Climb, Glasspool Mimic (since BOSS is strictly better for my purposes anyway)

This introduces two new combo lines:

1. BOSS + Scurry Oak + Roalesk + any counter-based source of mana = infinite proliferate and squirrels
2. One with the Kami + Master Biomancer / Bloodspore Thrinax = infinite uses of any sac outlet

On the staxier side of things, [[Nesting Grounds]] also permits me to soft-lock people with [[The Phasing of Zhalfir]], which saved me in games today! Nesting Ground plus Phasing of Zhalfir cost less than five dollars... but the groan when people realized they weren't getting their commanders back was priceless.

This set of changes feels like a pretty solid set of upgrades -- my mana costs stay the same, while I cut a disappointing combo line (Daggertooth + Ballista) and strongly improve my cloning abilities. I do suspect that One With the Kami will come out in favor of ONE cards (the combo is just a little too "cute" to really earn the slot on its own), but that remains to be finalized.

One thing I did notice is that I lack almost any form of recursion in this deck. I'll add that to my pile of considerations. Maybe one of the Tamiyos, to attach that sort of effect to a counter-based value system? [[Tamiyo the Moon Sage]] is absolute GAS in all modes...

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/418/nesting-grounds

Nesting Grounds

Land
: Add .
, : Move a counter from target permanent you control onto another target permanent. Activate only as a sorcery.
Dappled coats become armored hides. Soft jaws become razor tusks. Nestling play becomes the fight for survival.

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/59/the-phasing-of-zhalfir

The Phasing of Zhalfir <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Saga
Read ahead (Choose a chapter and start with that many lore counters. Add one after your draw step. Skipped chapters don't trigger. Sacrifice after III.)
I, II — Another target nonland permanent phases out. It can't phase in for as long as you control The Phasing of Zhalfir.
III — Destroy all creatures. For each creature destroyed this way, its controller creates a 2/2 black Phyrexian creature token.

https://scryfall.com/card/avr/79/tamiyo-the-moon-sage

Tamiyo, the Moon Sage <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+1: Tap target permanent. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
−2: Draw a card for each tapped creature target player controls.
−8: You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size" and "Whenever a card is put into your graveyard from anywhere, you may return it to your hand."
Loyalty: 4

[static spire]

Or [[Tamiyo Compleated Sage]], if I'm okay exiling things from GY for one-time reuse. OR [[Conduit of Worlds]], if I'm desperate?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/238/tamiyo-compleated-sage

Tamiyo, Compleated Sage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:managup:936814520012263455><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
Compleated ( can be paid with , , or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)
+1: Tap up to one target artifact or creature. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
−X: Exile target nonland permanent card with mana value X from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of that card.
−7: Create Tamiyo's Notebook, a legendary colorless artifact token with "Spells you cast cost less to cast" and ": Draw a card."
Loyalty: 5

https://scryfall.com/card/one/163/conduit-of-worlds

Conduit of Worlds <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact
You may play lands from your graveyard.
: Choose target nonland permanent card in your graveyard. If you haven't cast a spell this turn, you may cast that card. If you do, you can't cast additional spells this turn. Activate only as a sorcery.

[static spire]

OG Tamiyo would also let me counter-lock people with [[Pact of Negation]] 😛

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/77/pact-of-negation

Pact of Negation <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Instant
Counter target spell.
At the beginning of your next upkeep, pay . If you don't, you lose the game.
Those who expect betrayal at every turn are seldom disappointed.

[static spire]

Eh, I'll think on it overnight...

But tentatively, perhaps [[Tamiyo the Moon Sage]] > [[One with the Kami]].

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/avr/79/tamiyo-the-moon-sage

Tamiyo, the Moon Sage <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+1: Tap target permanent. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
−2: Draw a card for each tapped creature target player controls.
−8: You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size" and "Whenever a card is put into your graveyard from anywhere, you may return it to your hand."
Loyalty: 4

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/27/one-with-the-kami

One with the Kami <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Flash
Enchant creature you control
Whenever enchanted creature or another modified creature you control dies, create X 1/1 colorless Spirit creature tokens, where X is that creature's power. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)

[static spire]

...am I missing any other solid planeswalkers?

Oh heck

OG Tamiyo's emblem gives me another janky combo line

Any clone spell + Roalesk + Crystalline Crawler = infinite proliferate

[static spire]

[[Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim]] is up there. [[Jace, Cunning Castaway]] is definitely GOOD, but I cut him due to impossible tracking issues he caused.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/66/teferi-temporal-pilgrim

Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
Whenever you draw a card, put a loyalty counter on Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim.
0: Draw a card.
−2: Create a 2/2 blue Spirit creature token with vigilance and "Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature."
−12: Target opponent chooses a permanent they control and returns it to its owner's hand. Then they shuffle each nonland permanent they control into its owner's library.
Loyalty: 4

https://scryfall.com/card/xln/60/jace-cunning-castaway

Jace, Cunning Castaway <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
+1: Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player this turn, draw a card, then discard a card.
−2: Create a 2/2 blue Illusion creature token with "When this creature becomes the target of a spell, sacrifice it."
−5: Create two tokens that are copies of Jace, Cunning Castaway, except they're not legendary.
Loyalty: 3

[plush marlin]

hmm

[static spire]

Before I forget -- updates so far to Teysa

REMOVED: Attrition, Command the Dreadhorde, Kalitas Traitor of Ghet, Gix, Plaza of Heroes

ADDED: New Wanderer, New Vraska, Clever Concealment, Mondrak, Nesting Grounds

I'll lay out my reasoning tomorrow morning

[static spire]

Now that I'm awake...

The reasoning behind Mondrak and Clever Concealment should be clear.

Mondrak is a second copy of Anointed Procession that can also be tutored by Search for Glory, it's a crazy-good card. I've also added Nesting Grounds to move around those indestructible counters 😉

Clever Concealment is my second copy of Teferi's Protection, except this one costs zero mana: it's very rare to find spells which can protect planeswalkers without removing their loyalty counters.

I'm intrigued by the potential of the new Wanderer. I consider her to essentially be a board wipe who can protect herself on the turn she enters, in exchange for gaining an emblem every turn afterward that gives me a double-striking Samurai. It's worth testing, at least -- any planeswalker who can create creatures on a non-negative loyalty ability catches my eye.

I'm indecisive on the new Vraska, but I at least want to test her. I wish I had more interactions with Proliferate here -- without them, her ult doesn't do much unless I can keep her around to the next turn (which in turn requires her to get more loyalty, and so on). I suspect she'll end up coming back out, but testing is always worth the time!

Now, the cuts. These were tricky, because the list is just so polished at this point.

Attrition is just too mean. I keep wanting to run it, since it's a spell that I built the deck around and it's so beautiful in foil, but it absolutely cripples my opponents for as long as it sticks on the field. It doesn't lead to fun gameplay choices. Maybe it'll go back in later, it has the pull of a siren song. Kalitas was meant to synergize with this line, so he came out too.

Command the Dreadhorde was intended to be my second copy of Primevals' Glorious Rebirth (one of the best cards in the deck), but the life cost was just too high. I did get to pull off the wombo-combo of Serra's ult plus Command, but it's too unreliable.

Losing Gix might be a problem due to reducing my card draw.

...I continue to wish that [[Inkshield]] could protect my planeswalkers as well, dammit. Nobody swings at me!

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/71/inkshield

Inkshield <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to you this turn. For each 1 damage prevented this way, create a 2/1 white and black Inkling creature token with flying.
Silverquill's elite know how to offer a scathing rebuttal without uttering a word.

[static spire]

From testing so far, it feels like Mondrak is going to significantly change some lines in this deck, as a third copy of that effect -- I may end up putting [[Seraph of the Scales]] back in, since she goes great with token doublers. (And because I love her art, and because she's a solid "rattlesnake" blocker, and because I need a little more reliable token production.)

When Archangel dies, if I control one token doubler, she makes 4 white-black spirits and 2 white spirits. Then the black-white spirits get sacrificed to become 8 white spirits. 14-for-1 value on sac outlets.

But with two token doublers, it becomes 8 white-black spirits and 4 white spirits, then 16 additional white spirits. 28-for-1 value seems worth aiming for 👀

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/rna/205/seraph-of-the-scales

Seraph of the Scales <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Angel
Flying
: Seraph of the Scales gains vigilance until end of turn.
: Seraph of the Scales gains deathtouch until end of turn.
Afterlife 2 (When this creature dies, create two 1/1 white and black Spirit creature tokens with flying.)
4/3

[static spire]

...In a certain sense, Teysa is the hardest deck for me to update. She works in so many spaces, so balance is paramount.

I also have too many cards in the "Sideboard" I want to find space for...

Attrition
Battle Angels of Tyr
Command the Dreadhorde
Elspeth Tirel
Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor
Ignite the Beacon
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
Life Insurance
Mana Crypt
Master of Ceremonies
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
Peacekeeper
Plaza of Heroes
Priest of Forgotten Gods
Seraph of the Scales
Smothering Tithe
Sorin, Grim Nemesis
The Meathook Massacre
Tymna the Weaver
Urza's Ruinous Blast
Urza's Sylex

[glacial cradle]

I feel like Gix is prolly more useful than Vraska, but understand the appeal of new planeswalkers in the color pair, especially one with Proliferate.

[static spire]

Yeah, I suspect I'll end up going back to that in the end. Or just go back to Tymna in that slot instead.

[glacial cradle]

Why would you use Tymna over Gix?

[static spire]

Denying my opponents draw, mostly.

[glacial cradle]

Ah, fair

But, every attack against one of your opponents is an attack not against one of your planeswalkers, which is cool

[static spire]

...also very true!

[static spire]

I could also stick Breena back in

Breena, Gix, and Tymna are kinda the "big three" of that sort of effect

[static spire]

There's a local EDH tournament today -- a university rivalry sort of thing -- so I've updated all my decks to pre-test ONE cards.

The current set of swaps is something like:

Avacyn: Scavenger Grounds and Gerrard's Hourglass Pendant OUT; Skrelv and Mycosynth Gardens IN

Hapatra: Ohran Frostfang and Outland Liberator OUT; Cankerbloom and Gix IN

Teysa: Attrition, Kalitas Traitor of Ghet, Urza's Sylex, Plaza of Heroes, Command the Dreadhorde OUT; Mana Crypt, Smothering Tithe, The Eternal Wanderer, Mondrak Glory Dominus, Clever Concealment IN.

Araumi: Gnawing Vermin OUT; Unctus Grand Metatect IN

Roalesk: Tezzeret's Gambit, Toski Bearer of Secrets, Sakashima's Will, Glasspool Mimic OUT; Blade of Shared Souls, Scurry Oak, Experimental Augery, Jace Cunning Castaway IN

(I tinker with my decklists a lot, if that wasn't clear.)

[static spire]

I went 3 wins / 1 loss at this event, so the new changes seem to be working well!

Based on some of the things I saw here, I can say with 100% certainty that Teysa's changes improved the deck immeasurably, and [[Mycosynth Gardens]] is great in staxy games (I copied Esper Sentinel while controlling a Static Orb)

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/256/the-mycosynth-gardens

The Mycosynth Gardens

Land — Sphere
: Add .
, : Add one mana of any color.
, : The Mycosynth Gardens becomes a copy of target nontoken artifact you control with mana value X.
As the Invasion Tree grew, its branches pierced through the world's silent core.

[static spire]

[[Experimental Augery]] saved my life one game, so that one's got the stamp of approval too. I won by proliferating someone else's saga at the 'wrong' time, which messed up all their plans.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/49/experimental-augury

Experimental Augury <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and rest on the bottom of your library in any order. Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)

[static spire]

I'll also be tuning Roalesk further with some play issues in mind, particularly cutting some of the higher-cmc / lower-impact enchantments in favor of quietly useful proliferate effects like [[Bloated Contaminator]] or [[Unnatural Restoration]].

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/159/bloated-contaminator

Bloated Contaminator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Phyrexian Beast
Trample
Toxic 1 (Players dealt combat damage by this creature also get a poison counter.)
Whenever Bloated Contaminator deals combat damage to a player, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
4/4

https://scryfall.com/card/one/191/unnatural-restoration

Unnatural Restoration <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand. Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
"If you don't reassemble me immediately, the Mother of Machines will notice my absence, and this entire layer will face her wrath!"

[static spire]

Or [[Smell Fear]], as proliferatey removal

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/173/smell-fear

Smell Fear <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
Target creature you control fights up to one target creature you don't control.
"It's fun when they run a little." —Wasitora, Nekoru queen

[static spire]

Tentatively: ADD Bloated Contaminator and Unnatural Restoration, CUT Paradox Zone and Midnight Clock. Still gotta find a copy of Sword of Truth and Justice, to see if that does good work.

The only other note from tonight was that Mana Crypt might make Teysa too strong, but...

We'll burn that bridge when we get there.

I got to do the wombo-combo of [[Smothering Tithe]] + [[Bennie Bracks]], which was great

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/31/smothering-tithe

Smothering Tithe <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent draws a card, that player may pay . If the player doesn't, you create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"I await your donation." —Dasha, Orzhov priest

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/86/bennie-bracks-zoologist

Bennie Bracks, Zoologist <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of each end step, if you created a token this turn, draw a card.
His enthusiastic curiosity puts even the most fearsome of beasts at ease.
3/2

[glacial cradle]

1480 messages jesus

There are more messages here than in the general one

[static spire]

I'm not afraid to talk to myself 😂

I tinker aggressively with all my lists, so the crazy length of this thread is a reflection of that fact

Especially around spoiler season, when I'm impatient to add all the fun new toys

...speaking of which, another update: I'll be trying the blue Dominus and [[Serum Snare]] over my two "fast" counterspells (Pact and Mana Drain). Who needs stack interaction anyway? 😛

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/68/serum-snare

Serum Snare <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. If that permanent had mana value 3 or less, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
"I bring a message from the Autonomous Fern—argh!"

[static spire]

I was considering [[Infectious Bite]] as well, but I think that's too unfun (since proliferating 9 times is pretty trivial)

[timber mesa]

No card found for “Infectious Bite”

[static spire]

Ah, never mind. Apparently it's not on Scryfall yet.

[glacial cradle]

I don't have the money or time to constantly edit my decks, or else I would.

I do constantly consider edits though

[static spire]

I don't actually spend much on Magic these days, honestly

Most of the cards I'm swapping in and out are either 1) things I own, or 2) very cheap

But I spend a large amount of time tinkering, it's sorta my idle-time hobby

[static spire]

In my continuing saga of making every card in Roalesk interact with counters in some way:

• Mystic Remora
• Silkguard
• Tainted Observer

• One with the Kami
• Heroic Intervention
• Ledger Shredder

Are there any good counter-based substitutions for Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, or Carpet of Flowers?

I think those are literally the last three cards which are "generic goodstuff" in the entire 99.

...god, maybe [[City of Shadows]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/me3/206/city-of-shadows

City of Shadows

Land
, Exile a creature you control: Put a storage counter on City of Shadows.
: Add for each storage counter on City of Shadows.

[static spire]

And perhaps [[Gemstone Caverns]]?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/280/gemstone-caverns

Gemstone Caverns

Legendary Land
If Gemstone Caverns is in your opening hand and you're not the starting player, you may begin the game with Gemstone Caverns on the battlefield with a luck counter on it. If you do, exile a card from your hand.
: Add . If Gemstone Caverns has a luck counter on it, instead add one mana of any color.

[static spire]

Or [[Jeweled Amulet]] or [[Pyramid of the Pantheon]]? We're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/me2/212/jeweled-amulet

Jeweled Amulet <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact
, : Put a charge counter on Jeweled Amulet. Note the type of mana spent to pay this activation cost. Activate only if there are no charge counters on Jeweled Amulet.
, Remove a charge counter from Jeweled Amulet: Add one mana of Jeweled Amulet's last noted type.

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/235/pyramid-of-the-pantheon

Pyramid of the Pantheon <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
, : Add one mana of any color. Put a brick counter on Pyramid of the Pantheon.
: Add three mana of any one color. Activate only if there are three or more brick counters on Pyramid of the Pantheon.
Five gods, one purpose.

[static spire]

Gemstone Caverns, Jeweled Amulet, and Gemstone Array over Carpet, Crypt, and Sol Ring

Let's see if it still functions

[static spire]

cracks knuckles

Okay, so!

Basically completely rebuilt my Roalesk deck from scratch

Here's the overall changelog (20 swaps overall):

ADDED

Tainted Observer
Serum Snare
Blade of Shared Souls
Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus
Unnatural Restoration
Experimental Augery
Silkguard
Nesting Grounds
Cankerbloom
Ezuri, Stalker of Spheres
City of Shadows
Gemstone Caverns
Utopia Mycon
Park Heights Maverick
Tamiyo, Compleated Sage
Smell Fear
Neoform
Vivien, Monsters' Advocate
Jace, Cunning Castaway

CUT

Teferi, Master of Time
Master Biomancer
Sol Ring
The Phasing of Zhalfir
Mana Crypt
Walking Ballista
Quest for Renewal
Carpet of Flowers
Heroic Intervention
Mana Drain
Pact of Negation
Ledger Shredder
Paradox Zone
Tezzeret’s Gambit
Umezawa's Jitte
Contagion Engine
One with the Kami
Toski, Bearer of Secrets
Reliquary Tower

With these changes, I've altered the list such that EVERY nonland card in the deck manipulates counters in some manner, no exceptions.

I've also managed to keep the FRQ high, which pleases me!

I'm most excited to test Utopia Mycon, to get some spore action going on

Since I've added a minor token subtheme this time around, to synergize with Tainted Observer & Blade of Shared Souls in particular, since they're both GAS with any counter-related token producer

City of Shadows slaps (well, aside from the price-tag), especially with the new tokens being expendable sources of that first counter.

[static spire]

Vivien is the newest change, and she may come back out.

[static spire]

guess who's back

My Roalesk changes have... not entirely gone well, so far, but I think that's just a low sample size effect (and/or bad shuffling), so I'm gonna play it a little longer before I make a final decision.

But! We have a different deck we're building today.

Who wants to help me brew [[Solphim, Mayhem Dominus]]? Currently zero decks on EDHRec.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/150/solphim-mayhem-dominus

Solphim, Mayhem Dominus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals double that damage to that player or permanent instead.
, Discard two cards: Put an indestructible counter on Solphim, Mayhem Dominus. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
5/4

[static spire]

I opened a foil in my pre-release, and now I want to tinker with it.

This line of thought started with [[Repercussion]] -- "I'll Bolt your bird, that's 6 damage, then that'll be 12 to the face..."

Problem is, there's not many cards LIKE Repercussion...

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/uds/95/repercussion

Repercussion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature is dealt damage, Repercussion deals that much damage to that creature's controller.
Not all Keld's warriors are found on the battlefield.

[static spire]

[[Satyr Firedancer]] does the reverse, I suppose, and [[Toralf]] seems like gas here.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bng/108/satyr-firedancer

Satyr Firedancer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment Creature — Satyr
Whenever an instant or sorcery spell you control deals damage to an opponent, Satyr Firedancer deals that much damage to target creature that player controls.
His heart, the coal; his eye, the spark; his hand, the whirling flame.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/154/toralf-god-of-fury-toralfs-hammer

Toralf, God of Fury <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — God
Trample
Whenever a creature or planeswalker an opponent controls is dealt excess noncombat damage, Toralf deals damage equal to the excess to any target other than that permanent.
5/4

Toralf's Hammer
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has ", , Unattach Toralf's Hammer: It deals 3 damage to any target. Return Toralf's Hammer to its owner's hand."
Equipped creature gets +3/+0 as long as it's legendary.
Equip

[static spire]

[[Heartless Hidetsugu]] of course, lol

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/cns/144/heartless-hidetsugu

Heartless Hidetsugu <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Ogre Shaman
: Heartless Hidetsugu deals damage to each player equal to half that player's life total, rounded down.
Hidetsugu held over a dozen oni in blood oath. At his touch, rocks scorched. At his word, cities burned.
4/3

[static spire]

[[Spiteful Repossession]], of course...

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/90/spiteful-repossession

Spiteful Repossession <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Spiteful Repossession deals damage to each opponent who controls more lands than you equal to the difference. Then create a number of Treasure tokens equal to the damage dealt this way.
Late payment shall be extracted however they see fit.

[static spire]

And I could run Anger of the Gods to keep my FRQ at acceptable levels!

What good options do I have for widely distributed damage?

[[Magmatic Core]], [[Pyrokinesis]], [[Impact Resonance]], [[Arc Lightning]], [[Fury]], [[Ghired's Beligerence]] if I can think of a good way to abuse tokens...

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/csp/91/magmatic-core

Magmatic Core <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Cumulative upkeep (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
At the beginning of your end step, Magmatic Core deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures, where X is the number of age counters on it.

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/143/pyrokinesis

Pyrokinesis <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
You may exile a red card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Pyrokinesis deals 4 damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures.

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/107/impact-resonance

Impact Resonance <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Impact Resonance deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures, where X is the greatest amount of damage dealt by a source to a permanent or player this turn.

https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/97/arc-lightning

Arc Lightning <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Arc Lightning deals 3 damage divided as you choose among one, two, or three targets.
Lightning burns its own path.

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/126/fury

Fury <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Incarnation
Double strike
When Fury enters the battlefield, it deals 4 damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures and/or planeswalkers.
Evoke—Exile a red card from your hand.
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/25/ghireds-belligerence

Ghired's Belligerence <:manax:292901509082120202><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Ghired's Belligerence deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures. Whenever a creature dealt damage this way dies this turn, populate. (Create a token that's a copy of a creature token you control.)
"Harmony is no longer an option." —Ghired, Conclave exile

[static spire]

@wispy solstice here!

[wispy solstice]

Howdy. Like I was saying dareti and goblin welder stuff is good with the discard. In which instance other cards like refleki of Kiki jiki, darcy, and unholy heat become a lot better

[static spire]

Definitely, definitely

Darcy?

[wispy solstice]

[[dragons rage chann]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/121/dragons-rage-channeler

Dragon's Rage Channeler <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Shaman
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
Delirium — As long as there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard, Dragon's Rage Channeler gets +2/+2, has flying, and attacks each combat if able.
1/1

[wispy solstice]

Initials spell out darcy

[static spire]

Ahhhhh

I'm actually unsure how [[Flame Spill]] interacts with damage doublers, stand by

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/117/flame-spill

Flame Spill <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Flame Spill deals 4 damage to target creature. Excess damage is dealt to that creature's controller instead.
Fragile, floating Skysail suddenly seemed like an appealingly safe place to live.

[wispy solstice]

Vehicles are also probably super good with many boardwipes

And Planeswalkers obviously

[static spire]

Definitely, though Solphim only interacts with noncombat damage

There's some decent Madness spells hanging around

[[Anje's Ravager]] keeps hands (decently) full, good old [[Fiery Temper]], [[Violent Eruption]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/voc/141/anjes-ravager

Anje's Ravager <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Vampire Berserker
Anje's Ravager attacks each combat if able.
Whenever Anje's Ravager attacks, discard your hand, then draw three cards.
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/142/fiery-temper

Fiery Temper <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Fiery Temper deals 3 damage to any target.
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
"Let the flames ignore the sinless."

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/154/violent-eruption

Violent Eruption <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Violent Eruption deals 4 damage divided as you choose among any number of targets.
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)

[wispy solstice]

This could also obviously be a dragon's approach deck

[static spire]

True, though I'm not a huge fan of that strategy tbh

Let's attack this a different way for a second

Obviously Solphim is great with any kind of wide-ranging board wipe sort of spell

And absurd with Repercussion, Satyr Firedancer, Toralf, etc

[wispy solstice]

Same

[static spire]

But what "group slug" cards does red have?

Stuff like [[Harsh Mentor]] gets LETHAL when doubled

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/135/harsh-mentor

Harsh Mentor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever an opponent activates an ability of an artifact, creature, or land on the battlefield, if it isn't a mana ability, Harsh Mentor deals 2 damage to that player.
"Fight through it."
2/2

[wispy solstice]

Oh fuck

Pyrohemia

[static spire]

Lmao YEAH

[wispy solstice]

Omg

[static spire]

Ooooh, I have a foil of that sitting around

[[Aether Flash]] to keep the battlefield clean

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/172/aether-flash

Aether Flash <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, Aether Flash deals 2 damage to it.
As the foul beast appeared, arcane lightning crackled around it.

[static spire]

[[Ankh of Mishra]] -- f-ck ur landfall deck

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/263/ankh-of-mishra

Ankh of Mishra <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Whenever a land enters the battlefield, Ankh of Mishra deals 2 damage to that land's controller.
Tawnos finally cracked the puzzle: the strange structures did not house Mishra's malevolent creations but were themselves among his creations.

[wispy solstice]

I love pestilence. One of my favorite cards to play in pauper. And now an excuse to play it in Commander that's good

[static spire]

[[Auntie Blyte, Bad Influence]] seems decent here -- I'm sure SOME of my stuff will damage myself

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/j22/30/auntie-blyte-bad-influence

Auntie Blyte, Bad Influence <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Devil Advisor
Flying
Whenever a source you control deals damage to you, put that many +1/+1 counters on Auntie Blyte, Bad Influence.
, , Remove X +1/+1 counters from Auntie Blyte: It deals X damage to any target.
2/2

[static spire]

[[Battle Strain]]: "blocking? gross"

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ody/177/battle-strain

Battle Strain <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature blocks, Battle Strain deals 1 damage to that creature's controller.
The pits swallow the weak as predators swallow prey.

[wispy solstice]

[[manabarbs]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/m12/150/manabarbs

Manabarbs <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps a land for mana, Manabarbs deals 1 damage to that player.
"I don't know why people say a double-edged sword is bad. It's a sword. With two edges." —Kamahl, pit fighter

[static spire]

there's a nonbasic version of that as well, somewhere

[[brallin]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/4/brallin-skyshark-rider

Brallin, Skyshark Rider <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Partner with Shabraz, the Skyshark (When this creature enters the battlefield, target player may put Shabraz into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Whenever you discard a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Brallin, Skyshark Rider and it deals 1 damage to each opponent.
: Target Shark gains trample until end of turn.
3/3

[static spire]

[[Burning Earth]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/m14/130/burning-earth

Burning Earth <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps a nonbasic land for mana, Burning Earth deals 1 damage to that player.
"Your world is formed from the same power that wraps my burning hand around your throat." —Shrazik, lavamancer

[static spire]

[[Caltrops]] lol

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/288/caltrops

Caltrops <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Whenever a creature attacks, Caltrops deals 1 damage to it.
The Eastern Paladin knew how highly his southern rival valued horses, so he gleefully prepared a suitable welcome.

[wispy solstice]

[[spellshock]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/160/spellshock

Spellshock <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts a spell, Spellshock deals 2 damage to that player.
A snap of fingers, a snap of teeth.

[wispy solstice]

Of fuck

[[repercussion]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/uds/95/repercussion

Repercussion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature is dealt damage, Repercussion deals that much damage to that creature's controller.
Not all Keld's warriors are found on the battlefield.

[static spire]

Yeah, that was my first thought -- I have a foil copy, and I really want to use it

"Bolt your Bird, deal 12 to your face" seems good 😛

[[Curse of Shaken Faith]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/134/curse-of-shaken-faith

Curse of Shaken Faith <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Aura Curse
Enchant player
Whenever enchanted player casts a spell other than the first spell they cast each turn or copies a spell, Curse of Shaken Faith deals 2 damage to them.
Even within the chapel's hallowed halls, the devils' laughter pierced his prayers.

[wispy solstice]

[[Chandra, torch of]] is so good

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/110/chandra-torch-of-defiance

Chandra, Torch of Defiance <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Chandra
+1: Exile the top card of your library. You may cast that card. If you don't, Chandra, Torch of Defiance deals 2 damage to each opponent.
+1: Add .
−3: Chandra, Torch of Defiance deals 4 damage to target creature.
−7: You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast a spell, this emblem deals 5 damage to any target."
Loyalty: 4

[static spire]

I mean she's ALWAYS good lol

but I completely agree

[wispy solstice]

Either you draw a card and deal 4 to all opponents, ritual, or deal 8 damage to a creature

Plus she dodges wipes

[static spire]

And if I can get away with the -7 (such as dropping her, and using her RR mode to drop Blasphemous Act with an indestructible Solphim), it's LETHAL

[[Browbeat]] finally finds a home??

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/123/browbeat

Browbeat <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Any player may have Browbeat deal 5 damage to them. If no one does, target player draws three cards.
"Even the threat of power has power." —Jeska, warrior adept

[static spire]

Few people will take 10 to deny me 3 cards

Same with [[Risk Factor]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/grn/113/risk-factor

Risk Factor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target opponent may have Risk Factor deal 4 damage to them. If that player doesn't, you draw three cards.
Jump-start (You may cast this card from your graveyard by discarding a card in addition to paying its other costs. Then exile this card.)

[static spire]

OOOOH

[quartz umbra]

[[sulfuric vortex]] just to be a silly goose

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/150/sulfuric-vortex

Sulfuric Vortex <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, Sulfuric Vortex deals 2 damage to that player.
If a player would gain life, that player gains no life instead.

[static spire]

wait, there's a whole cycle of these from Odyssey

stand by

[[Sin Prodder]] too!

[rare mango]

it's a vertical cycle I think

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/363/sin-prodder

Sin Prodder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Devil
Menace
At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library. Any opponent may have you put that card into your graveyard. If a player does, Sin Prodder deals damage to that player equal to that card's mana value. Otherwise, put that card into your hand.
3/2

[wispy solstice]

Bolt bend

[rare mango]

[[combustible gearhulk]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/163/combustible-gearhulk

Combustible Gearhulk <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact Creature — Construct
First strike
When Combustible Gearhulk enters the battlefield, target opponent may have you draw three cards. If the player doesn't, you mill three cards, then Combustible Gearhulk deals damage to that player equal to the total mana value of those cards.
6/6

[static spire]

nice nice

[wispy solstice]

It's good in this deck

[static spire]

[[book burning]] lol

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/jud/80/book-burning

Book Burning <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Any player may have Book Burning deal 6 damage to them. If no one does, target player mills six cards.
The wizard's spellbook was full of burning questions.

[quartz umbra]

would [[nesting grounds]] let you move the indestructible counter to other creatures?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/418/nesting-grounds

Nesting Grounds

Land
: Add .
, : Move a counter from target permanent you control onto another target permanent. Activate only as a sorcery.
Dappled coats become armored hides. Soft jaws become razor tusks. Nestling play becomes the fight for survival.

[rare mango]

[[book burning]][[breaking point]] are the other cards in the cycle

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/jud/80/book-burning

Book Burning <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Any player may have Book Burning deal 6 damage to them. If no one does, target player mills six cards.
The wizard's spellbook was full of burning questions.

https://scryfall.com/card/ddk/67/breaking-point

Breaking Point <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Any player may have Breaking Point deal 6 damage to them. If no one does, destroy all creatures. Creatures destroyed this way can't be regenerated.
"Enough!"

[static spire]

It would indeed!

Hm. How is [[Sin Prodder]] worded?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/363/sin-prodder

Sin Prodder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Devil
Menace
At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library. Any opponent may have you put that card into your graveyard. If a player does, Sin Prodder deals damage to that player equal to that card's mana value. Otherwise, put that card into your hand.
3/2

[wispy solstice]

[[cave in]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/180/cave-in

Cave-In <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
You may exile a red card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Cave-In deals 2 damage to each creature and each player.
One fleet was gone; others were poised.

[static spire]

[[Ancient Runes]] stings a lot more when doubled

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmp/161/ancient-runes

Ancient Runes <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, Ancient Runes deals damage to that player equal to the number of artifacts they control.
Ertai volunteered to open the portal. He figured he owed it one.

[quartz umbra]

[[dictate of the twin gods]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/jou/93/dictate-of-the-twin-gods

Dictate of the Twin Gods <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Flash
If a source would deal damage to a permanent or player, it deals double that damage to that permanent or player instead.
Iroas and Mogis are as different in appearance as they are in personality.

[static spire]

[[Chandra's Ignition]] natch

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/phed/45/chandras-ignition

Chandra's Ignition <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Target creature you control deals damage equal to its power to each other creature and each opponent.
In the moment before her execution, she realized what it meant to be a pyromancer, to be alive, to be Chandra.

[static spire]

[[dong zhou]] for the Memes

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/me3/96/dong-zhou-the-tyrant

Dong Zhou, the Tyrant <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
When Dong Zhou, the Tyrant enters the battlefield, target creature an opponent controls deals damage equal to its power to that player.
3/3

[static spire]

crap how did I miss [[Glint Horn Buccaneer]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/141/glint-horn-buccaneer

Glint-Horn Buccaneer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Minotaur Pirate
Haste
Whenever you discard a card, Glint-Horn Buccaneer deals 1 damage to each opponent.
, Discard a card: Draw a card. Activate only if Glint-Horn Buccaneer is attacking.
2/4

[static spire]

[[Emberwilde Caliphe]]?

Whoops, [[Emberwilde Captain]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/175/emberwilde-captain

Emberwilde Captain <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Djinn Pirate
When Emberwilde Captain enters the battlefield, you become the monarch.
Whenever an opponent attacks you while you're the monarch, Emberwilde Captain deals damage to that player equal to the number of cards in their hand.
"You are bold, challenger, but flammable."
4/2

[rare mango]

[[court of ire]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/170/court-of-ire

Court of Ire <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
When Court of Ire enters the battlefield, you become the monarch.
At the beginning of your upkeep, Court of Ire deals 2 damage to any target. If you're the monarch, it deals 7 damage instead.
Hold your tongue, lest you burn it.

[static spire]

Nice, nice

[[Fiendlash]] seems cute with Solphim

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/31/fiendlash

Fiendlash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0 and has reach.
Whenever equipped creature is dealt damage, it deals damage equal to its power to target player or planeswalker.
Equip
A fiery scourge for both flesh and soul.

[static spire]

"Ya SURE you want to attack me?"

[wispy solstice]

[[pyrokinesis]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/143/pyrokinesis

Pyrokinesis <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
You may exile a red card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Pyrokinesis deals 4 damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures.

[static spire]

[[Fiery Encore]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/51/fiery-encore

Fiery Encore <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Discard a card, then draw a card. When you discard a nonland card this way, Fiery Encore deals damage equal to that card's mana value to target creature or planeswalker.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)

[static spire]

OH

[[Viashino Heretic]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ulg/95/viashino-heretic

Viashino Heretic <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Viashino
, : Destroy target artifact. Viashino Heretic deals damage to that artifact's controller equal to the artifact's mana value.
"The past is buried for good reason."
1/3

[static spire]

...honestly this is feeling like a control deck

[rare mango]

feels like it wants to just slide into Torbran's spot

[[burning earth]][[manabarbs]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/m14/130/burning-earth

Burning Earth <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps a nonbasic land for mana, Burning Earth deals 1 damage to that player.
"Your world is formed from the same power that wraps my burning hand around your throat." —Shrazik, lavamancer

https://scryfall.com/card/m12/150/manabarbs

Manabarbs <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps a land for mana, Manabarbs deals 1 damage to that player.
"I don't know why people say a double-edged sword is bad. It's a sword. With two edges." —Kamahl, pit fighter

[static spire]

It definitely likes those effects, but we can also play the artifact variants!

Since Solphim isn't color-limited

[rare mango]

true

[[explosion of riches]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/176/explosion-of-riches

Explosion of Riches <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Draw a card, then each other player may draw a card. Whenever a card is drawn this way, Explosion of Riches deals 5 damage to target opponent chosen at random from among your opponents.
"You've got how much gold there?"

[static spire]

[[Maddening Hex]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/32/maddening-hex

Maddening Hex <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Aura Curse
Enchant player
Whenever enchanted player casts a noncreature spell, roll a d6. Maddening Hex deals damage to that player equal to the result. Then attach Maddening Hex to another one of your opponents chosen at random.
Much more painful than mere regret.

[rare mango]

[[curse of shaken faith]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/134/curse-of-shaken-faith

Curse of Shaken Faith <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Aura Curse
Enchant player
Whenever enchanted player casts a spell other than the first spell they cast each turn or copies a spell, Curse of Shaken Faith deals 2 damage to them.
Even within the chapel's hallowed halls, the devils' laughter pierced his prayers.

[static spire]

[[Structural Assault]] seems FUNNY here

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/126/structural-assault

Structural Assault <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Destroy all artifacts, then Structural Assault deals damage to each creature equal to the number of artifacts that were put into graveyards from the battlefield this turn.
After the attack on the Vantoleone, the fragile balance of power shattered completely, and the city descended into chaos.

[static spire]

Ack, not that one

[[Spiteful Repossession]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/90/spiteful-repossession

Spiteful Repossession <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Spiteful Repossession deals damage to each opponent who controls more lands than you equal to the difference. Then create a number of Treasure tokens equal to the damage dealt this way.
Late payment shall be extracted however they see fit.

[rare mango]

[[neheb eternal]] 🔥 😍

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/hou/104/neheb-the-eternal

Neheb, the Eternal <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Minotaur Warrior
Afflict 3 (Whenever this creature becomes blocked, defending player loses 3 life.)
At the beginning of your postcombat main phase, add for each 1 life your opponents have lost this turn.
"This is what glory looks like." —Nicol Bolas
4/6

[static spire]

[[Price of Progress]] natch

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/141/price-of-progress

Price of Progress <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Price of Progress deals damage to each player equal to twice the number of nonbasic lands that player controls.
Enthusiasm can be tempered in the furnace of the earth.

[rare mango]

natch

[[harsh mentor]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/135/harsh-mentor

Harsh Mentor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever an opponent activates an ability of an artifact, creature, or land on the battlefield, if it isn't a mana ability, Harsh Mentor deals 2 damage to that player.
"Fight through it."
2/2

[static spire]

[[Runeflare Trap]] -- F_CK YOU BLUE PLAYER

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/zen/146/runeflare-trap

Runeflare Trap <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant — Trap
If an opponent drew three or more cards this turn, you may pay rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Runeflare Trap deals damage to target player equal to the number of cards in that player's hand.

[rare mango]

[[soulfire eruption]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/201/soulfire-eruption

Soulfire Eruption <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Choose any number of target creatures, planeswalkers, and/or players. For each of them, exile the top card of your library, then Soulfire Eruption deals damage equal to that card's mana value to that permanent or player. You may play the exiled cards until the end of your next turn.
Forsake flesh. Choose fire.

[wispy solstice]

[[koth, fire of resistance]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/138/koth-fire-of-resistance

Koth, Fire of Resistance <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Koth
+2: Search your library for a basic Mountain card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
−3: Koth, Fire of Resistance deals damage to target creature equal to the number of Mountains you control.
−7: You get an emblem with "Whenever a Mountain enters the battlefield under your control, this emblem deals 4 damage to any target."
Loyalty: 4

[wispy solstice]

Ramp, removal, ult wins the game?

[static spire]

I did just open a foil copy today...

[rare mango]

[[leyline of combustion]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/148/leyline-of-combustion

Leyline of Combustion <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Combustion is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Whenever you and/or at least one permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, Leyline of Combustion deals 2 damage to that player.

[static spire]

I'm sad that there's not more cards which let me scale exponentially with Solphim, though

All I can think of are Repercussion and Toralf

[rare mango]

[[reaver titan]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/40k/163/reaver-titan

Reaver Titan <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Artifact — Vehicle
Void Shields — Protection from mana value 3 or less
Gatling Blaster — Whenever Reaver Titan attacks, it deals 5 damage to each opponent.
Crew 4 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 4 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
10/10

[static spire]

ahahaha

[rare mango]

meta dependent, but [[roiling vortex]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/156/roiling-vortex

Roiling Vortex <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, Roiling Vortex deals 1 damage to them.
Whenever a player casts a spell, if no mana was spent to cast that spell, Roiling Vortex deals 5 damage to that player.
: Your opponents can't gain life this turn.

[static spire]

[[Wheel of Misfortune]] deals damage, doesn't it

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/211/wheel-of-misfortune

Wheel of Misfortune <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each player secretly chooses a number 0 or greater, then all players reveal those numbers simultaneously and determine the highest and lowest numbers revealed this way. Wheel of Misfortune deals damage equal to the highest number to each player who chose that number. Each player who didn't choose the lowest number discards their hand, then draws seven cards.

[rare mango]

sure does 🤣

if you're wondering, my scryfall search is "otag:burn-player id:r" 🤣

[static spire]

[[Defiler of Instinct]] feels solid

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/119/defiler-of-instinct

Defiler of Instinct <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Kavu
First strike
As an additional cost to cast red permanent spells, you may pay 2 life. Those spells cost less to cast if you paid life this way. This effect reduces only the amount of red mana you pay.
Whenever you cast a red permanent spell, Defiler of Instinct deals 1 damage to any target.
4/4

[rare mango]

[[tectonic giant]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/808/tectonic-giant

Tectonic Giant <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Giant
Whenever Tectonic Giant attacks or becomes the target of a spell an opponent controls, choose one —
• Tectonic Giant deals 3 damage to each opponent.
• Exile the top two cards of your library. Choose one of them. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.
3/4

[static spire]

[[Goblin Sharpshooter]] to clear boards

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/c13/111/goblin-sharpshooter

Goblin Sharpshooter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin
Goblin Sharpshooter doesn't untap during your untap step.
Whenever a creature dies, untap Goblin Sharpshooter.
: Goblin Sharpshooter deals 1 damage to any target.
1/1

[rare mango]

another "screw you control players" card [[vicious shadows]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ala/119/vicious-shadows

Vicious Shadows <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature dies, you may have Vicious Shadows deal damage to target player equal to the number of cards in that player's hand.
"Thrashes of the ancient past still linger in spirit and shadow, desperate to sink their claws into our souls." —Rakka Mar

[static spire]

[[sarkhan the masterless]], sorta?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/143/sarkhan-the-masterless

Sarkhan the Masterless <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Sarkhan
Whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control, each Dragon you control deals 1 damage to that creature.
+1: Until end of turn, each planeswalker you control becomes a 4/4 red Dragon creature and gains flying.
−3: Create a 4/4 red Dragon creature token with flying.
Loyalty: 5

[static spire]

If I'm casting enough stuff from exile (since that's the trend these days), [[Passionate Archaeologist]]?

[rare mango]

ehhhh? Seems like it needs some support

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/656/passionate-archaeologist

Passionate Archaeologist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever you cast a spell from exile, this creature deals damage equal to that spell's mana value to target opponent."
You can't remember a time when you didn't feel the pull of forgotten stories and buried secrets.

[rare mango]

[[zo zu the punisher]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/dds/41/zo-zu-the-punisher

Zo-Zu the Punisher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Warrior
Whenever a land enters the battlefield, Zo-Zu the Punisher deals 2 damage to that land's controller.
He does not tolerate intruders.
2/2

[rare mango]

and I guess [[ankh of mishra]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/263/ankh-of-mishra

Ankh of Mishra <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Whenever a land enters the battlefield, Ankh of Mishra deals 2 damage to that land's controller.
Tawnos finally cracked the puzzle: the strange structures did not house Mishra's malevolent creations but were themselves among his creations.

[static spire]

I like [[Maddening Hex]] quite a bit.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/32/maddening-hex

Maddening Hex <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Aura Curse
Enchant player
Whenever enchanted player casts a noncreature spell, roll a d6. Maddening Hex deals damage to that player equal to the result. Then attach Maddening Hex to another one of your opponents chosen at random.
Much more painful than mere regret.

[static spire]

[[Arcbond]]?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/frf/91/arcbond

Arcbond <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Choose target creature. Whenever that creature is dealt damage this turn, it deals that much damage to each other creature and each player.
"If you must die today, make your death worthy of legend." —Alesha, Who Smiles at Death

[rare mango]

arcbond

at least until you kill yourself with it 🤣

[static spire]

that's just a risk we're going to have to take, buddy

[rare mango]

oh 💯

as a red mage

that's an acceptable risk

[static spire]

Good old [[Spellshock]] and [[Eidolon of the Great Revel]], of course.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/160/spellshock

Spellshock <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts a spell, Spellshock deals 2 damage to that player.
A snap of fingers, a snap of teeth.

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/128/eidolon-of-the-great-revel

Eidolon of the Great Revel <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment Creature — Spirit
Whenever a player casts a spell with mana value 3 or less, Eidolon of the Great Revel deals 2 damage to that player.
Xenagos reveled while Theros burned.
2/2

[static spire]

[[Syr Carah, the Bold]] to keep my hand full?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/145/syr-carah-the-bold

Syr Carah, the Bold <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Knight
Whenever Syr Carah, the Bold or an instant or sorcery spell you control deals damage to a player, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
: Syr Carah deals 1 damage to any target.
"Duty and honor are reasons enough, but beating you will also be a pleasure."
3/3

[static spire]

[[Cemetery Gatekeeper]] as a third Zozu effect

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/148/cemetery-gatekeeper

Cemetery Gatekeeper <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Vampire
First strike
When Cemetery Gatekeeper enters the battlefield, exile a card from a graveyard.
Whenever a player plays a land or casts a spell, if it shares a card type with the exiled card, Cemetery Gatekeeper deals 2 damage to that player.
2/1

[static spire]

[[Quest for Pure Flame]] as a one-turn murder spell

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/zen/144/quest-for-pure-flame

Quest for Pure Flame <:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a source you control deals damage to an opponent, you may put a quest counter on Quest for Pure Flame.
Remove four quest counters from Quest for Pure Flame and sacrifice it: If any source you control would deal damage to a permanent or player this turn, it deals double that damage to that permanent or player instead.

[static spire]

[[Volatile Arsonist]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/181/volatile-arsonist-dire-strain-anarchist

Volatile Arsonist <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Werewolf
Menace, haste
Whenever Volatile Arsonist attacks, it deals 1 damage to each of up to one target creature, up to one target player, and/or up to one target planeswalker.
Daybound (If a player casts no spells during their own turn, it becomes night next turn.)
4/4

Dire-Strain Anarchist
Creature — Werewolf
Menace, haste
Whenever Dire-Strain Anarchist attacks, it deals 2 damage to each of up to one target creature, up to one target player, and/or up to one target planeswalker.
Nightbound (If a player casts at least two spells during their own turn, it becomes day next turn.)
5/5

[static spire]

[[Scab Clan Berserker]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ori/160/scab-clan-berserker

Scab-Clan Berserker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Berserker
Haste
Renown 1 (When this creature deals combat damage to a player, if it isn't renowned, put a +1/+1 counter on it and it becomes renowned.)
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, if Scab-Clan Berserker is renowned, Scab-Clan Berserker deals 2 damage to that player.
2/2

[static spire]

ohshit [[Sardian Avenger]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/prm/105724/sardian-avenger

Sardian Avenger <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Warrior
First strike, trample
Whenever Sardian Avenger attacks, it gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is the number of artifacts your opponents control.
Whenever an artifact an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, Sardian Avenger deals 1 damage to that player.
1/1

[static spire]

[[Tunnel ignus]] lol

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/som/105/tunnel-ignus

Tunnel Ignus <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental
Whenever a land enters the battlefield under an opponent's control, if that player had another land enter the battlefield under their control this turn, Tunnel Ignus deals 3 damage to that player.
Fight mischief with mischief.
2/1

[static spire]

[[flame channeler]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/141/flame-channeler-embodiment-of-flame

Flame Channeler <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Wizard
When a spell you control deals damage, transform Flame Channeler.
At the edge of night, on the cusp of winter, the allure of fire grows ever stronger.
2/2

Embodiment of Flame
Creature — Elemental Wizard
Whenever a spell you control deals damage, put a flame counter on Embodiment of Flame.
, Remove a flame counter from Embodiment of Flame: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
Never again would she fear the dusk.
3/3

[static spire]

[[scalding salamander]] is just a little man

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/exo/100/scalding-salamander

Scalding Salamander <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Salamander
Whenever Scalding Salamander attacks, you may have it deal 1 damage to each creature without flying defending player controls.
2/1

[static spire]

[[scald]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/usg/211/scald

Scald <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps an Island for mana, Scald deals 1 damage to that player.
"Shiv may be surrounded by water, but the mountains go far deeper." —Fire Eye, viashino bey

[static spire]

I'll take another stab at this in the morning 😂

One more for the road: [[Chandra's Incinerator]] natch

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/136/chandras-incinerator

Chandra's Incinerator <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the total amount of noncombat damage dealt to your opponents this turn.
Trample
Whenever a source you control deals noncombat damage to an opponent, Chandra's Incinerator deals that much damage to target creature or planeswalker that player controls.
6/6

[static spire]

...heck, we also have the whole [[Wildfire]] cycle available here

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/134/wildfire

Wildfire <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each player sacrifices four lands. Wildfire deals 4 damage to each creature.
Fire is always at the top of the food chain, and it has a big appetite.

[zealous ferry]

Apparently I missed the best discussion by an hour 😣

I have to put the suggestion in to make Solphim a stuffy doll.

[[Pariah's Shield]], [[Fiendlash]] and [[Blazing Sunsteel]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/rav/267/pariahs-shield

Pariah's Shield <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Artifact — Equipment
All damage that would be dealt to you is dealt to equipped creature instead.
Equip
To bear the shield of the pariah is the highest honor a Boros can receive—and the last.

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/31/fiendlash

Fiendlash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0 and has reach.
Whenever equipped creature is dealt damage, it deals damage equal to its power to target player or planeswalker.
Equip
A fiery scourge for both flesh and soul.

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/364/blazing-sunsteel

Blazing Sunsteel <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 for each opponent you have.
Whenever equipped creature is dealt damage, it deals that much damage to any target.
Equip
Wyleth emerged from the crater unscathed with the sun's fury trapped in his hands.

[zealous ferry]

But it's immensely fun with Repercussion

[[Magnetic Theft]] can help with equip costs or as a way to borrow something like maybe a pesky Commander's Plate

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/74/magnetic-theft

Magnetic Theft <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Attach target Equipment to target creature. (Control of the Equipment doesn't change.)
Among the Vulshok, the most prized blades are those that killed their original owners.

[static spire]

I'll come back and discuss more tomorrow! Hah

[static spire]

...waking up the morning AFTER a deckbuilding binge feels like a hangover

"god, what did I brew last night"

[zealous ferry]

LOL

[glacial cradle]

Daedalus truly brews on another level from the rest of us

[zealous ferry]

I usually avoid the issue by not going to sleep when I have a build binge.

[chrome dragon]

Imaging not brewing whilst asleep

[static spire]

Forgive me, I'm a scrub, a noob, and a god-damn casual

"Morning after" brewing is basically digging through chat-logs in four servers to collect everything we all tossed out

Speaking of which!

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/nn2meeu8ME-pJi-tES29Tg

Here's everything we pulled together yesterday, as far as I can tell

[rare mango]

[[neheb the eternal]] 😠

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/hou/104/neheb-the-eternal

Neheb, the Eternal <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Minotaur Warrior
Afflict 3 (Whenever this creature becomes blocked, defending player loses 3 life.)
At the beginning of your postcombat main phase, add for each 1 life your opponents have lost this turn.
"This is what glory looks like." —Nicol Bolas
4/6

[static spire]

cant think=no sad ❤️

[static spire]

Okay, it's late-night, which means it's time for more brewing thoughts.

I think that, when I build this, I want to prioritize wipes which deal 3 damage to all creatures where possible.

6 damage is enough to wipe MOST opposing creatures, and it should be feasible for most of my critical creatures to have 4 toughness -- Glinthorn Buccaneer, Toralf, Tectonic Giant, Terror of the Peaks, and Torbran are all sized this way. I think "3 to my stuff, 6 to opposing stuff" is the sweet spot where VERY few opposing things will survive, but I can feasibly have my stuff live through it most of the time!

I can also run the pro-red Swords of X and Y to dodge my own damage-based wipes, especially since two of them (Fire/Ice and War/Peace) also do non-combat damage.

I'm concerned about lacking card advantage in mono-red, so I want to avoid using Solphim's discard ability unless necessary (or unless it grants me advantages like madness)

Unfortunately there aren't too many good spells active in graveyard in mono-red, which means it'll be hard to get value after discarding: sure, we get Past in Flames, but that's better suited to a storm deck than whatever this is

At least we get Risk Factor, I guess.

[zealous ferry]

There are some madness cards that may be worth running.

But not enough for them to be a real plan with the discard

Like [[Revolutionist]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/139/revolutionist

Revolutionist <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Wizard
When Revolutionist enters the battlefield, return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand.
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
3/3

[zealous ferry]

Oh. You have [[Library of Leng]] right?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/me4/211/library-of-leng

Library of Leng <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
You have no maximum hand size.
If an effect causes you to discard a card, discard it, but you may put it on top of your library instead of into your graveyard.

[zealous ferry]

Or is that only when you're forced to discard rather than as part of the cost?

[static spire]

Library of Leng won't work, yeah.

[zealous ferry]

Hmm

Yeah, in mono-r it's either a few madness cards or [[Containment Construct]] then

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/243/containment-construct

Containment Construct <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Whenever you discard a card, you may exile that card from your graveyard. If you do, you may play that card this turn.
Automated units are deployed to stabilize merge sites deemed too dangerous even for trained intercessors.
2/1

[zealous ferry]

Or I guess [[Currency Converter]] or [[Bag of Holding]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/81/currency-converter

Currency Converter <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
Whenever you discard a card, you may exile that card from your graveyard.
, : Draw a card, then discard a card.
: Put a card exiled with Currency Converter into your graveyard. If it's a land card, create a Treasure token. If it's a nonland card, create a 2/2 black Rogue creature token.

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/299/bag-of-holding

Bag of Holding <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
Whenever you discard a card, exile that card from your graveyard.
, : Draw a card, then discard a card.
, , Sacrifice Bag of Holding: Return all cards exiled with Bag of Holding to their owner's hand.
Leave no treasure behind.

[static spire]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/nn2meeu8ME-pJi-tES29Tg

I need 13 cuts, help... 😭

[static spire]

...holy crap, I was playing Solphim in an online game, and I got a turn 3 kill

T1: Mountain, Mana Crypt, Descent into Avernus
T2: Mountain, Solphim, keep the 2 treasures
T3: (opponents each played two creatures using the mana) Each opponent took 8 from Descent. I cast Repercussion, made Solphim indestructible, then cast Chain Reaction. 7 damage to each creature, doubled by Solphim, doubled AGAIN when Repercussion threw it around = 56 to each opponent's face.

@rare mango , I want you to know, I've been converted to the cult of Descent into Avernus

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-worship-worshipping-now-bowing-gif-12297363

In a previous game, although I lost, I also learned that [[Toralf]] + [[Fiendlash]] is pseudo-infinite here!

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/154/toralf-god-of-fury-toralfs-hammer

Toralf, God of Fury <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — God
Trample
Whenever a creature or planeswalker an opponent controls is dealt excess noncombat damage, Toralf deals damage equal to the excess to any target other than that permanent.
5/4

Toralf's Hammer
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has ", , Unattach Toralf's Hammer: It deals 3 damage to any target. Return Toralf's Hammer to its owner's hand."
Equipped creature gets +3/+0 as long as it's legendary.
Equip

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/31/fiendlash

Fiendlash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0 and has reach.
Whenever equipped creature is dealt damage, it deals damage equal to its power to target player or planeswalker.
Equip
A fiery scourge for both flesh and soul.

[static spire]

I cast Lightning Bolt on an opponent's creature (4 toughness).

Solphim doubled to 6, so 2 damage is counted as "excess" for Toralf.

I threw that 2 damage back at Solphim (who had a Fiendlash attached).

Solphim deals 10 damage to an opponent's creature. That's enough to get a self-sustaining loop going, to wipe all opposing creatures -- and if it's ever NOT enough, throwing the remaining 1 leftover damage back at Solphim "regenerates" it back to 10. Bounce it around a few times then nail an opponent in the face.

[static spire]

Anyone able to help me with the last few cuts? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/nn2meeu8ME-pJi-tES29Tg

[static spire]

Holy CRAP, I didn't realize how strong Arcane Bombardment is, when Solphim lets me sculpt my discards

I had a game where I discarded Soulfire Eruption, then immediately recast it the next turn

On the other side of the coin, this is the fairest deck with Breach I've ever played

It can't combo with Breach (well, not without a LOT of bizarre luck), it's straight-up red Regrowth here

[rare mango]

It’s still among the best non-mass regrowths out there

[static spire]

I might have to add [[Mizzix's Mastery]] here, to discard something high-cost then cast it?

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/c15/29/mizzixs-mastery

Mizzix's Mastery <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile target card that's an instant or sorcery from your graveyard. For each card exiled this way, copy it, and you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost. Exile Mizzix's Mastery.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change its text by replacing all instances of "target" with "each.")

[rare mango]

alright I have a few cuts

either Vance's blasting cannons or brazen cannonade. Both are just so underwhelming imo
irencrag feat? I don't understand

the big one is this list:

End the Festivities
Pyroclasm
Anger of the gods
Sweltering Suns
Chain reaction
Blasphemous Act
Volcanic Torrent
Impact Resonance
All of these except end the festivities hit only creatures. LOOOOOOTTA board wipes. Pick your favorite 2 or 3 and cut the rest

[static spire]

Irencrag, sink it into something like Rolling Earthquake for X=6, 12 to each opponent

[static spire]

Oh, but I LIKE board wipes 👀 Especially when they don't hit my commander.

Fair point, though, I'll make some cuts from that list!

(Remember that Repercussion + Boardwipe is sorta the thing which initiated this idea)

[rare mango]

you won't have repercussion every game. I only included one card that hits players in that list 🙂

as a red mage I favored cards that, uh, progress the game state via reduction of life totals 🔥

[static spire]

Fiendlash also does something similar, to be fair, but yeah

[rare mango]

fiendlash hits players, so it's chill

[static spire]

I meant it’s similar to Repercussion but yeah

[rare mango]

oh gotcha 👍

[static spire]

Okay, among these, I'll definitely cut End the Festivities, Pyroclasm, and one of Chain Reaction / Sweltering Suns. I can't cut Anger of the Gods, though, that would unacceptably lower my FRQ.

I've also cut Maddening Hex, Brazen Cannonade, Vance's Blasting Cannons, Flame Channeler, and Torbran. But I added Wheel of Fortune because I found an extra one sitting around, and I guess it can do the memes play of Mana Geyser (or J Will) + Breach + Wheel.

Oh, heck. I thought Volcanic Torrent hit opponents as well. That's out, then!

I think I can safely go down at least one land as well.

So that brings me to 103.

Could cut Aether Flash, it's a LITTLE too "prison-y" for me, I guess?

[glacial cradle]

[[Aether Flash]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/172/aether-flash

Aether Flash <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, Aether Flash deals 2 damage to it.
As the foul beast appeared, arcane lightning crackled around it.

[static spire]

"Whenever a creature comes in, deal 2 4 damage to it"

Oooh, could try [[Furnace Punisher]], since I opened him in the shiny new foil

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/132/furnace-punisher

Furnace Punisher <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Warrior
Menace
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, Furnace Punisher deals 2 damage to that player unless they control two or more basic lands.
She marks her favorite creations with a searing brand, leaving all others to be consumed by the furnace.
3/3

[zealous ferry]

I'm curious to know how it goes.

Also curious to know how new Ezuri is working in Roalesk

[zealous ferry]

@static spire if I have a question about one of your decks should I ask on Moxfield, this thread or PM?

[static spire]

Any of the above!

[zealous ferry]

OK, in Vadrok, Hedron Crab vs [[Grinding Station]] is it just better to have the creature down early to mutate onto vs artifact sacrifice (since you have ways of infinite treasure generation)

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/127/grinding-station

Grinding Station <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
, Sacrifice an artifact: Target player mills three cards.
Whenever an artifact enters the battlefield, you may untap Grinding Station.

[zealous ferry]

Since I didn't see as much landfall synergy

I'm not asking you to justify it, I'm just looking at doing Vadrok and considering the importance of 1-drops

[static spire]

I've found that Hedron Crab is a really solid card for the deck, overall. Sure, there's not too much landfall synergy, but we do run all the fetches -- and even a consistent "mill 3" each turn is great, when it costs zero mana and offers a mutate-able creature.

Grinding Station rarely ended up working well in my experience. I only have one creature which really generates Treasures, and we usually just WIN if we drop Dockside. Meanwhile, Grinding Station offers an additional wincon with Underworld Breach (any mana-positive rock + Grinding Station + Breach), but we ALSO tend to just win if we drop Breach with a moderately stocked graveyard.

Overall, I've found Hedron Crab to be a solid value-mill piece (manaless mill is SWEET) while Grinding Station tends to only be useful when I'm already winning.

(Also, if you want me to see something, don't be afraid to @ me!)

I never mind the pings, it helps me keep conversations straight

[zealous ferry]

FWIW it's a less good equipment-based idea that likely would be more sensible to have as Koll instead. I'll put up a thread if it gets to that point.

[static spire]

On a different topic, I played against [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] IRL for the first time yesterday.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines

Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Vigilance
If a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Permanents entering the battlefield don't cause abilities of permanents your opponents control to trigger.
4/7

[static spire]

Maybe it was an aberration, but she stopped three other decks in their tracks pretty hard.

I may have to fit her into my Avacyn deck now 😂

[zealous ferry]

Depending on the other decks I'm not surprised.

I told my husband you'll be able to see she's a "problem" if there's a significant increase in decks running [[Lotus Field]] 😆

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/249/lotus-field

Lotus Field

Land
Hexproof
Lotus Field enters the battlefield tapped.
When Lotus Field enters the battlefield, sacrifice two lands.
: Add three mana of any one color.

[zealous ferry]

We opened one and it's going in his [[Preston]] deck, so that's now officially a terror.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/j22/8/preston-the-vanisher

Preston, the Vanisher <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Wizard
Whenever another nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, if it wasn't cast, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's a 0/1 white Illusion.
, Sacrifice five Illusions: Exile target nonland permanent.
2/5

[zealous ferry]

Even if you don't have many ETBs to double in Avacyn the restriction on your opponents slows things down so much.

In my 4 best decks that are (at best) fringe cEDH in their current state it stops 2 of them.

Or at least significantly slows down one and basically stops Urza.

No karnstruct on etb -> significantly delayed polykraken. And it would possibly have to wait for Urza's Saga's second phase (which is delayed by 1 turn) unless you polymorph Urza.

What were the 3 decks?

note: I do not currently think she's a problem and I don't think any potential deckbuilding changes would necessarily be unhealthy.

[static spire]

Brago, my Avacyn, Orvar

[zealous ferry]

I sort of want to try making a spellslinging deck with her because she doubles imprint triggers.

So the scepter can cast 2 instants for 2 mana.

[static spire]

I'm testing Elesh Norn and Eidolon of Rhetoric over Terror of the Peaks and Puresteel Paladin in Avacyn, for now.

Feels a little bad to cut two ETB effects when adding Norn, but it's inevitable.

[zealous ferry]

Yeah

[static spire]

Also! I made a few idle changes to my Teysa list that I wanted to log here:

ADD: Sorin Lord of Innistrad, Kalitas Traitor of Ghet, Attrition
REMOVE: Vraska Betrayal's Sting, Ajani Strength of the Pride, Beckon Apparition

[zealous ferry]

Vraska didn't work?

[static spire]

Nah, she just was too far from my central goal (have walkers produce tokens with dangerous ults)

And I needed more black token production, since it's ABSURD with Mondrak

(Make double black tokens, then double them AGAIN when turning them white with Teysa)

Vraska MAY go back in, to replace [[Professor Onyx]], but that's a change for later.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/83/professor-onyx

Professor Onyx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
+1: You lose 1 life. Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
−3: Each opponent sacrifices a creature with the greatest power among creatures that player controls.
−8: Each opponent may discard a card. If they don't, they lose 3 life. Repeat this process six more times.
Loyalty: 5

[static spire]

I like the fact that Professor Onyx + Plumb the Forbidden + 20 tokens is an instant kill

It gives me a quick way to end games once I REALLY start drawing, while still being planeswalker-centric

I also broke my losing streak with Roalesk yesterday, but I definitely have some changes I want to make

Particularly, Walking Ballista, Teferi, and Jitte really need to go back in.

[zealous ferry]

I missed that those were ones you took out.

[static spire]

Yeah, I was tinkering a LOT.

I was kinda trying to lower the power level?

But I've gotten WAY too low on interaction now

And low on ways to, you know, close out the game after I get infinite proliferate/mana

[zealous ferry]

New Ezuri at least draws the deck

[static spire]

He's one of four that draw the deck on counter placement, yeah

[[Evolution Sage]], [[Generous Patron]], [[Benthic Biomancer]], new Ezuri

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/287/evolution-sage

Evolution Sage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
"To care for yourself, cultivate the world. To care for the world, cultivate yourself."
3/2

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/70/generous-patron

Generous Patron <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Advisor
When Generous Patron enters the battlefield, support 2. (Put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two other target creatures.)
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, draw a card.
1/4

https://scryfall.com/card/rna/32/benthic-biomancer

Benthic Biomancer <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard Mutant
: Adapt 1. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Benthic Biomancer, draw a card, then discard a card.
"I am my life's work."
1/1

[static spire]

Also [[Greater Good]] or [[Toothy]], in practice

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/160/greater-good

Greater Good <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Sacrifice a creature: Draw cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power, then discard three cards.
"There's wisdom to be gained in death—whether it be one's own or someone else's." —Jarad, Golgari Lich-Lord

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/12/toothy-imaginary-friend

Toothy, Imaginary Friend <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Illusion
Partner with Pir, Imaginative Rascal (When this creature enters the battlefield, target player may put Pir into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Toothy, Imaginary Friend.
When Toothy leaves the battlefield, draw a card for each +1/+1 counter on it.
1/1

[static spire]

I'm thinking -- perhaps I shall cut Smell Fear, Mystic Remora, and Park Heights Maverick for Ballista, Jitte, and Teferi?

I really want to CAST Park Heights Maverick before cutting him though 😂

...In truth, I think Roalesk needs a full rebuild

The rest of the recent changes have felt good, though: I haven't missed Jeweled Amulet, Master Biomancer, Quest for Renewal, or The Phasing of Zhalfir

Utopia Mycon might be too weak, or too slow, but I still want to test him.

He fits in the middle of the Venn diagram of effects I want: token-producers for that subtheme, and mana generated from proliferate. He's also a low-cmc spell, which I'm... generally lacking in this deck 😅

The major problem is that he only gets his first counter at upkeep, so I can't drop him in the middle of a loop and get to DO anything with him.

For now, I'll cut Plaxcaster Frogling over Park Heights Maverick

This raises my curve slightly, unfortunately, but sometimes that's inevitable.

Additionally, cutting Nesting Grounds, Gemstone Caverns, Cankerbloom, and Archmage Ascension in favor of Ledger Shredder, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, and Carpet of Flowers.

So, to summarize:

ADD: Ballista, Jitte, Teferi, Ledger Shredder, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Carpet of Flowers

REMOVE: Smell Fear, Mystic Remora, Plaxcaster Frogling, Nesting Grounds, Gemstone Caverns, Cankerbloom, Archmage Ascension

(Note to self: I also wish to include a Nykthos in this deck in the future, but need to keep colorless land fraction down)

[static spire]

Can anyone help me find one cut for my Avacyn list? I want to stick [[Goblin Engineer]] back in.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Vpiz7R8Rfk-0J7yX0AUQtA

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/phed/50/goblin-engineer

Goblin Engineer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Artificer
When Goblin Engineer enters the battlefield, you may search your library for an artifact card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle.
, , Sacrifice an artifact: Return target artifact card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
1/2

[zealous ferry]

Since it looks like you made a cut (as engineer is in the list), what was it?

[static spire]

Tentatively cutting [[Rune Tail]]

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/sok/27/rune-tail-kitsune-ascendant-rune-tails-essence

Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Fox Monk
When you have 30 or more life, flip Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant.
2/2

Rune-Tail's Essence
Legendary Enchantment
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to creatures you control.

[static spire]

I’ve had a LOT of people tell me to cut Elesh Norn but I at least want to test her first

My recent cuts were Puresteel, Terror of the Peaks, and Rune-Tail for Elesh, Goblin Engineer, and… something else, I forget

snaps fingers Eidolon of Rhetoric, that was the other add.

I may reverse some proportion of these

In particular, the dream is controlling both Terror and Elesh right? 😛

Maybe Fiery Emancipation out, Terror in?

A damage source to replace a damage amplifier?

But dear GOD the tripled damage does work fast

[rare mango]

cut winter orb 😡

[static spire]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

TLDR, I think I do want to stick Terror back in. If Goblin Engineer doesn’t suffice, I’ll put the big dragon in that slot. Otherwise it’ll be time for another cut, yaaaaaaay

Another potential cut could be [[Spectacular Showdown]]? But that card has been SUPER solid so far

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/679/spectacular-showdown

Spectacular Showdown <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Put a double strike counter on target creature, then goad each creature that had a double strike counter put on it this way. (Until your next turn, those creatures attack each combat if able and attack a player other than you if able.)
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")

[zealous ferry]

It's an interesting card. If it's doing well-ish it might be worth keeping in for "fun" reasons

[static spire]

I tend to just use it as “2 mana permanent double strike” effect, but whenever I DO hit the 7-mana mode it’s hilarious

[static spire]

It makes me sad to cut a Fox Monk, but my FRQ is safe due to [[Aggravated Assault]]

https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-kpNBw-normal.webp

[zealous ferry]

frq?

I finally got an Aggravated Assault (not as pretty as that one). I'm thinking of putting it in Urtet.

[static spire]

Furry Reference Quotient

[glacial cradle]

Daedalus needs every deck to have at least one card that signifies her furry status

[zealous ferry]

I remembered that part. Just not what it shortened to 😅

[static spire]

It's true!

[static spire]

Apparently I need a cut for the new Jin-Gitaxias 😭

[static spire]

Hm. For now, [[Jin Gitaxias | MOM]] in, [[Contagion Engine]] out.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/65/jin-gitaxias-the-great-synthesis

Jin-Gitaxias <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Ward
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell with mana value 3 or greater, draw a card.
: Exile Jin-Gitaxias, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery and only if you have seven or more cards in hand.
5/5

The Great Synthesis
Enchantment — Saga
(As this saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Draw cards equal to the number of cards in your hand. You have no maximum hand size for as long as you control The Great Synthesis.
II — Return all non-Phyrexian creatures to their owners' hands.
III — You may cast any number of spells from your hand without paying their mana cost. Exile The Great Synthesis, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).

https://scryfall.com/card/som/145/contagion-engine

Contagion Engine <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
When Contagion Engine enters the battlefield, put a -1/-1 counter on each creature target player controls.
, : Proliferate, then proliferate again. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there. Then do it again.)

[static spire]

Also swapping [[Blast Zone]] out for [[Nesting Grounds]] in.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/258/blast-zone

Blast Zone

Land
Blast Zone enters the battlefield with a charge counter on it.
: Add .
, : Put X charge counters on Blast Zone.
, , Sacrifice Blast Zone: Destroy each nonland permanent with mana value equal to the number of charge counters on Blast Zone.

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/418/nesting-grounds

Nesting Grounds

Land
: Add .
, : Move a counter from target permanent you control onto another target permanent. Activate only as a sorcery.
Dappled coats become armored hides. Soft jaws become razor tusks. Nestling play becomes the fight for survival.

[static spire]

Something I'm realizing is that colored pips are a real downside for equipment

Because they conflict badly with Mother of Runes effects and the Swords of X and Y

For this reason, I'm testing [[Terror of the Peaks]] in, [[Two-Handed Axe]] out.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/164/terror-of-the-peaks

Terror of the Peaks <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying
Spells your opponents cast that target Terror of the Peaks cost an additional 3 life to cast.
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, Terror of the Peaks deals damage equal to that creature's power to any target.
5/4

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/203/two-handed-axe-sweeping-cleave

Two-Handed Axe <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, double its power until end of turn.
Equip

Sweeping Cleave
Instant — Adventure
Target creature you control gains double strike until end of turn. (Then exile this card. You may cast the artifact later from exile.)

[static spire]

If we're gonna include Elesh Norn, might as well include more blink and ETB payoffs!

This also turns [[Eldrazi Displacer]] into a repeatable kill spell.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/13/eldrazi-displacer

Eldrazi Displacer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Eldrazi
Devoid (This card has no color.)
: Exile another target creature, then return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control. ( represents colorless mana.)
3/3

[static spire]

Or [[Sword of Hearth and Home]], for that matter.

[timber mesa]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/238/sword-of-hearth-and-home

Sword of Hearth and Home <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from green and from white.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, exile up to one target creature you own, then search your library for a basic land card. Put both cards onto the battlefield under your control, then shuffle.
Equip

[static spire]

Okay, to summarize my current swaps in Avacyn:

Engineer / Terror / Eidolon IN
Rune-Tail / Two-Handed Axe / Puresteel OUT

[static spire]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GlvyjlT2w0q3UBvx3B40pA

A new little project I was working on tonight!

This is the result of one hour deckbuilding (with a timer)

[chrome dragon]

Potential format for a series aside, seems pretty solid

[static spire]

Thanks! Anything you can see to add?

[chrome dragon]

Why is there 2 of the same Teferi in considering?

[static spire]

Uh, because I made a mistake lol

[balmy mantle]

I feel like mind over matter is too pip intensive to really leverage phyrexian heliods cost reduction. Lore broker seems really good here though

[static spire]

True, though if I DO hit the UUUU cost, I'll never need to worry about colored mana again. Still, yeah, that's why I cut it from the mainboard

[balmy mantle]

Diminishing returns seems really good here though, keeps the engine going while being a deecent payoff

just hard to find a cut for

that may clause really hurts it

[static spire]

I'm so damn tempted to use this meme in the primer

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/139/998/1308977754001.jpg

But I think it's a bit too off-color for Moxfield's standards, alas

[balmy mantle]

sadge

what about Dictate of Kruphix or Kami of the crescent moon type stuff

[static spire]

Also, I've seen SOME people using this meme in a vaguely racist manner, and I don't want to imply anything along those lines

[balmy mantle]

BIG sadge

[static spire]

I'll think on it overnight

2am is a BAD time to make decisions

but a GOOD time for deckbuilding

[balmy mantle]

ye

im brewin up a list for thalifrog as we speak lmao

[thin kayak]

What? The meme isnt at all racist, neither is the other ainsley meme

I would just make sure that oil is used in the decks name somewhere and that'll ensure everyone understands it as phyrexian oil related

[knotty shard]

How are we winning?

Single Kozilek or aetherflux?

[static spire]

Generally just decking people out haha

[knotty shard]

😐