coarse talon
Heya, I'm trying to find a good early and late game strategy for my Sek'kuar deck
I feel like the commander isn't doing too much neither in those two stages. My deck is token-sacrifice-recursion themed, and I probably should switch to another one. Does anybody have a jund commander similar to mine?
this is the deck https://archidekt.com/decks/8684902/sekkuar
grand coyote
What are some upgrades that I should put in my [[Stella Lee, Wild Card]] deck?
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, exile the top card of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.
: Copy target instant or sorcery spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy. Activate only if you've cast three or more spells this turn.
2/4
weak tendon
Main (1011)
1 Nurturing Pixie
1 Aviary Mechanic
1 Jeskai Barricade
1 Kor Skyfisher
1 Lotus Cobra
1 Rescuer Chwinga
1 Whitemane Lion
1 Bygone Bishop
1 Emancipation Angel
1 Enduring Innocence
1 Invasive Species
1 Loran of the Third Path
1 Loyal Gryff
1 Mentor of the Meek
1 Mischievous Pup
1 Mossborn Hydra
1 Nissa, Resurgent Animist
1 Oltec Matterweaver
1 Recruiter of the Guard
1 Rumor Gatherer
1 Scute Swarm
1 Stockpiling Celebrant
1 Tireless Provisioner
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Welcoming Vampire
1 Beast Whisperer
1 Stone-Seeder Hierophant
1 God-Eternal Oketra
1 Greensleeves, Maro-Sorcerer
1 Karametra, God of Harvests
1 Maja, Bretagard Protector
1 Silverback Elder
1 Primordial Sage
1 Rampaging Baloths
1 Avenger of Zendikar
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Disenchant
1 Get Lost
1 Beast Within
1 Generous Gift
1 Stroke of Midnight
1 Akroma's Will
1 Pest Infestation
1 Awaken the Woods
1 Nature's Lore
1 Three Visits
1 Cultivate
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Wrath of God
1 Farewell
1 Sol Ring
1 Arcane Signet
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Worn Power-stone
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Grasp of Fate
1 Touch the Spirit Realm
1 Felidar Retreat
1 Trouble in Pairs
1 Blessed Sanctuary
1 Cathars' Crusade
1 Zendikar's Roil
1 Primeval Bounty
1 Bountiful Promenade
1 Canopy Vista
1 Command Tower
1 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
13 Forest
1 Lush Portico
13 Plains
1 Radiant Grove
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Scattered Groves
1 Temple Garden
1 Windswept Heath
This is a flicker landfall deck that I wanna try to make better. Commander is Karametra, God of Harvests. LMK what I should edit?
queen ivy
Main (1011)
1 Nurturing Pixie
1 Aviary Mechanic
1 Jeskai Barricade
1 Ko...
The deck has 100 main + 1 commander?
queen ivy
Rip, gotta cut down to 100. Also you can post a link to an online list which would be easier
weak tendon
It’s just gonna be the same list but without 1 card?
Why would I repost the whole thing again?
queen ivy
Yeah, but online lists have tools we can use to sort and view it differently from a list
Some people like the images view
On top of that, we can click on the cardname to pull it up so we don’t have to flip between the list and scryfall
weak tendon
I use top decked.
It’s just on my phone
So should I just post pictures from the app?
weak tendon
Lmk what you think. I was thinking about the overlords.
weak tendon
Kor skyfisher.deck is a pretty neat idea
You are supposed to flicker 2 drops back and forth to ramp a ton, then use landfall triggers to grow board and draw cards
Use recruiter of the guard to find your flickers
Or like lotus cobra
Sometimes it just ramps endlessly, but it doesn’t do anything with the mana
weak tendon
I like the flicker idea, but sometimes I’m just there making useless mana
Idk if that’s the inherit problem with flickering, and I should just remove them.
Or just remove some, add more explosiveness and search engines like recruiter.
Or more draw, I’m just not running blue so I don’t have a lot of the draw magic
queen ivy
[[defiler of vigor]] could be good
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Phyrexian Wurm
Trample
As an additional cost to cast green permanent spells, you may pay 2 life. Those spells cost 
less to cast if you paid life this way. This effect reduces only the amount of green mana you pay.
Whenever you cast a green permanent spell, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
6/6
queen ivy
Well flickering is good, you just need a payoff for it
weak tendon
So like “whenever a permanent leaves the battlefield”?
queen ivy
Eh, less specific, just more creature etb stuff
Like [[soul of the harvest]], [[guardian project]]
weak tendon
https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/160/defiler-of-vigor
I was thinking of overlord of the haunt woods.
queen ivy
[[overlord of the hauntwoods]]
hollow latchBOT
Enchantment Creature — Avatar Horror
Impending 4—
(If you cast this spell for its impending cost, it enters with four time counters and isn't a creature until the last is removed. At the beginning of your end step, remove a time counter from it.)
Whenever Overlord of the Hauntwoods enters or attacks, create a tapped colorless land token named Everywhere that is every basic land type.
6/5
queen ivy
that’s just more ramp
weak tendon
And I already have enough of that ig
You got any suggests of what I should remove for those cards?
Guardian project
Soul of the harvest
Defiler of vigor
weak tendon
The highest cost ones
weak tendon
Invasive species?
queen ivy
Yeah, it’s not great
queen ivy
https://www.topdecked.com/decks/winota/5f79f8d8-14a5-4b94-ad61-d606310a3044
Mid tbh, i think you’d heavily struggle finding nonhumans to attack with. Definitely a take on equipment I haven’t seen before but I worry it’s trying too many things at once
autumn marsh
Is there a tool in the spirit of edhrec or CommanderSalt that suggests cuts?
These tools analyze synergies and manabase but they don't seem to tell me what is the least synergistic card (or whether my mana base is too big)
spark burrow
These tools analyze synergies and manabase but they don't seem to tell me what i...
Unfortunately EDHrec isn't actually that smart either. It doesn't analyze synergy, it just tells you the difference in percentage of people running a given card in a given deck compared to all eligible decks, and calls that synergy, as if correlation actually always indicates synergy. Sad news is you often get guided to make the same build choices as those that misunderstood a combo/commander, etc.
As for cut suggestions, I'd say you just have to rely on your peers like here in the #1020353936592470147 channel
queen ivy
Yeah, there’s nothing for cuts, just the big human brains
rotund forge
This is EDHRec's explanation of what the synergy score means: https://youtu.be/8kxWAsjJ_No?si=gqZuDhv57Ii_oDyi
queen ivy
I really don’t like that they tied a real mechanical term like synergy to something that has nothing to do with it
Like, technically yes it’ll include stuff that can be more synergistic because otherwise it wouldn’t be run without the commander
But there’s so much more to the term “synergy” for a deck than that
rotund forge
Joey's explanation that it's almost a uniqueness score for that commander makes sense
This is the example on how the synergy score for Cultivate was calculated:
queen ivy
Well, then call it a uniqueness score, not a synergy score
rotund forge
It does make sense though because people talk about card synergy with a specific commander though?
queen ivy
Okay, but how is cultivate more synergistic in the ur dragon than it is in the avg 5 color deck? Higher curve?
Literally any ramp piece could be in that spot by that logic
Synergy does not mean uniqueness from the norm, it means how well it works with that commander. For me, calling it synergy is just misleading because it’ll make people put more stock in stuff like that (and those numbers) without actually evaluating what the card does for you
Here’s a snippet from Chulane’s EDHRec page:
How in the world is kodama’s reach even slightly considered synergistic? And, why is cultivate at -6% synergy when this is the same card?
I’m being pedantic but that’s the kind of thing that’s easily misleading
rotund forge
I think it's leftover from it being in the ur dragon precon.
There's something they've called the "precon effect" where a card is more likely to appear in a commander deck if it was also in a precon with that commander.
queen ivy
Right, and it experiencing the precon effect can lead people to think it belongs in ur dragon more
rotund forge
Also, on average, the ur-dragon is casting larger spells than other 5c decks and needs more fixing
If you look at the highest commanders for Cultivate a lot of them were in precons with it.
Also, on the top commander page, I do find it funny that the new Krenko art makes it look like he's kicked the door in to be in the top 5 commanders of the last 2 years
Atraxa still leading with 35k decks.
Ur-Dragon with 27,865
Zur and Marrow-Gnawer still holding out as the only pre-edh commanders in the top 100
weak tendon
Mid tbh, i think you’d heavily struggle finding nonhumans to attack with. Defini...
Someone recommended hare apparents
queen ivy
That could be pretty good
finite mica
Hello guys, I'm building [[Rashmi and Ragavan]], what would you put as a wincon for this type of deck? I thought of artifacts reanimator, but could I put a more focused wincon based on enemies spell I cast? Maybe combo?
hollow latchBOT
weak tendon
That could be pretty good
Yeah, it was that or Kona. My other mono deck, Neheb, has done well so I’m considering Koma because it might be more consistent
scenic radish
Average Rashmi deck seems to use Brudiclad token clones or Cyberdrive Awakener
Other options to ping down like Ghirapur Aether Grid and Reckless Fireweaver
celest ore
Could someone look at this deck and the considering to see if I have missed any great human cards please?
https://moxfield.com/decks/cZfoOZIbuEWRPnKuUHumIw
I checked some other Eowyn decks posted in this form - I saw Mirror Entity and Goldbug
rotund forge
[[Coppercoat vanguard]]
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Human Soldier
Each other Human you control gets +1/+0 and has ward . (Whenever it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
It was a time for rebuilding, but first Ikoria's wrecked cities had to be cleared of monsters.
2/2
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
This is my husband's list. https://moxfield.com/decks/P7ivTGrqyE6JAzCzUnbKzQ
hidden oriole
Hello, I’ve been looking to make some edits to my Zellix deck, cutting out some cards in favor of Terisian Mindbreaker and Riddlekeeper, and maaaaybe a few others (but mainly those 2). Just hoping for a second opinion on what to cut, since I’ve been having some difficulties. So far Guiltfeeder seems to be the most straightforward cut but that’s it
grand coyote
Can you guys give a review of my deck edits?
Things I was unsure about, but I took out:
Winged Boots
Epic Experiment
Talrand
Haughty Djinn
Resculpt
Radical Idea
leaden drum
Making a Widow of the Realm deck that focuses on her drain ability on the front face. Probably need to skew this deck's curve a bit lower for more competitive tables and improve the mana base, but this should be fine with the speed of my current pod. Any particular improvements or anti-synergies?
At least on my end, pulling out Mishra seems like a natural improvement. Dragon Engine's pretty nice on Ayara's back face, but not the most optimal way to wheel hands
dusky needle
How do you all break a deck building funk?
I seem to have lost my enthusiasm for building. 😔
queen ivy
How do you all break a deck building funk?
I seem to have lost my enthusiasm f...
I usually try a color combo I don’t normally try, find a commander that interests you, and do something weird with it
Ex. I built an azorius stompy deck with [[shorikai]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
, : Draw two cards, then discard a card. Create a 1/1 colorless Pilot creature token with "This creature crews Vehicles as though its power were 2 greater."
Crew 8 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 8 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
Shorikai, Genesis Engine can be your commander.
8/8
queen ivy
Angels, sea monsters, sphinges, etc
spark burrow
For me it's when I encounter a commander that really sparks my interest, like something unique and fun looking. I got really into building [[Roxanne, starfall]] and [[Graaz]] recently
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Cat Druid
Whenever Roxanne, Starfall Savant enters or attacks, create a tapped colorless artifact token named Meteorite with "When Meteorite enters, it deals 2 damage to any target" and ": Add one mana of any color."
Whenever you tap an artifact token for mana, add one mana of any type that artifact token produced.
4/3
spark burrow
[[Lara croft]] was an interesting challenge too since it's almost voltron
hollow latchBOT
spark burrow
Angels, sea monsters, sphinges, etc
I love the word "sphinges" 😆
dusky needle
I usually try a color combo I don’t normally try, find a commander that interest...
Yeah, I feel like I keep falling into making counter or Voltron decks.
Do you think [[the mycotyrant]] is Voltron?
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
How do you all break a deck building funk?
I seem to have lost my enthusiasm f...
I've found I can't force it. Sometimes I try to evaluate a deck I already have.
If I'm stuck wrt deck building it often means I'm just too stressed and it's wrecked my attention span.
grand coyote
How do I find an [[urza, lord high artificer]] deck that isn’t cEDH
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
When Urza, Lord High Artificer enters, create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."
Tap an untapped artifact you control: Add 
.
: Shuffle your library, then exile the top card. Until end of turn, you may play that card without paying its mana cost.
1/4
grand coyote
I just want a semi-budget one (and I ain’t good at building)
rotund forge
How do I find an [[urza, lord high artificer]] deck that isn’t cEDH
Honestly? OK, what do you want the deck to do?
Do you want it to be just like, an artifact deck? Do you want it to be a combo deck?
The other suggestion is to look at the average budget ($) list on EDHRec and think about what you do or don't like
This is the average budget list in Moxfield https://moxfield.com/decks/Smlm0tzgu02yV_mSRbZibw
I'm finding it very funny that it still is running [[dramatic reversal]]
hollow latchBOT
eager axle
How do I find an [[urza, lord high artificer]] deck that isn’t cEDH
The Urza makes it cEDH very high powered by itself.
rotund forge
I can help you build a budget Urza deck depending on what you want to do though.
weak tendon
How do I find an [[urza, lord high artificer]] deck that isn’t cEDH
I run the black, white and blue one and put the others in the 99. It’s a construct token deck. Lmk if you want it?
grand coyote
I can help you build a budget Urza deck depending on what you want to do though.
I’ll take you up on that if/when I finish my current project
tame forum
Just built a Megatron, Tyrant deck and I was curious if anyone knew any fun cards or synergies (preferably budget), that work well with the big guy :)
leaden drum
Looks like big artifacts, sacrifice, and boardclear for combat. Spine of Ish Sah, Ugin's Nexus, Noxious Gearhulk, Combustible Gearhulk, or Cityscape Leveller are good examples. Ugin's Nexus is a nice conditional hoser that can become a finisher. Since he ramps you, you'll also want a couple big X cost or activation outlets like Profane Procession. There's even room to squeeze in Parhelion II.
void flower
Should I cut tutors from my Chatterfang deck to decrease frustation with my playgroup? The last games I won by comboing off with Chatterfang and Pitiless Plunderer which was generally feel bad as my group felt they couldn't really react to it. This can be a matter of inexperience with the deck as I just upgraded it or it could be a general incompatibility of the deck with my pod. I cut my tutors for now as I see the combos as essential for a chance at winning but what do you think?
placid wave
Tutors just add consistency to the combos. If that's the main sticking point and your group doesn't have other decks or more interactive pieces, cutting tutors just means you'll find the combos slower.
But whenever you do find them, you're just doing to pop off all the same
So your win rate goes down as does the total frustration, but whenever it does come up people will be just as frustrated (until they learn how to play around it or run more interaction)
leaden drum
Should I cut tutors from my Chatterfang deck to decrease frustation with my play...
Depends on your group's power level. Typically if you need to play with weaker decks I'd recommend swapping out infinite combo pieces for slower stuff with finite payoffs, switching tutors for card draw, and using a little less ramp/card draw. Maybe cut 3 or 4 lands, too, if you need to slow it down a bit.
It's a bit of social contract deciding what to cut, and it sounds like maybe your group is still working on improving their deckbuilding enough to keep up with your own power level.
And yeah, if they're not running much/any interaction, they'll have a bad time vs combos, regardless how slow you assemble them
void flower
Yeah, that‘s what I thought. I think making the combos less consistent is a good starting point. I‘ll try it out, and we‘ll see if that works for everyone. Thanks!
void flower
So, I excluded all combos I am aware of and put the combo pieces in my sideboard. This way I can scale it up if necessary. I could probably cut a few token maker if I want to put them back in.
What do you think of the current list?
void flower
So, I excluded all combos I am aware of and put the combo pieces in my sideboard...
Mostly interested in your opinion about manacurve
young patrol
How often is [[Copy Land]] better than [[Manascape Refractor]]?
placid wave
How often is [[Copy Land]] better than [[Manascape Refractor]]?
they're very close so it really depends on the situation and board state
but generally speaking enchantments are harder to interact with and it comes in untapped as a base line
but manascape can copy multiple land abilities so if you're in a meta where people run a lot of good utility lands, it has a higher ceiling
rotund forge
Don't forget [[mirran safehouse]]
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
Even if it's caring about lands in GY
mossy saffron
https://moxfield.com/decks/BBNUkb3mDkuITAMJA54lxw
I have 3 cuts left 🥲 It's already been so painful.. Pls send help or I'll start cutting lands and enrage the commander gods
placid wave
this is a very healthy manabase, don't touch it
glimpse seems kinda w/e
i know the deck is trying to go wide, but hellrider seems very underwhelming
if you had some synergy for non combat damage pings i could see it, but right now it's basically a bad anthem
karn seems kinda meh as well
maybe if he's ok if your is wide enough to protect
sorc class also feels sorta random
i guess it's for the tokens and dumping into an x spell
that's pretty neat
mossy saffron
the plan with hellrider is to have a token of it and then generate a ton of them which goes exponentially hard.. I know it requires a lot of pieces
But I guess that's what the deck is trying to do anyway. If I make a copy of an opponent's thread it's probably easier, requires less pieces
mossy saffron
i guess it's for the tokens and dumping into an x spell
yeah it's ramp for all the little soldiers, servos, etc but until then it's just a smoother, no need to go to level 2
mossy saffron
karn seems kinda meh as well
Karn is there for the karnstruct which is probably the stronger brudiclad target imo
placid wave
but if you're looking for 3 hard cuts then i would still get rid of the random piece that's marginal
mossy saffron
[[calamity bearer]] and [[thundering raiju]] fall in the same category as hell rider.. It seems cool on paper but maybe you're right, it requires too many pieces to work
placid wave
if you play some games and find you're really missing the ability to play it, you can add it back
yeah i would run at most 1 of these comboy pieces
yeah i was about to ask about calamity bearer
in your games i would keep track of how often you have the combo pieces vs the pay off
and then decide in those situations which pay off would have been the best to use
mossy saffron
What I like about them is that I can drop them on the board and they don't seem scary until I have 10 of them
placid wave
yeah, but i don't think you need 3 distinct versions
this also doesn't work after the first time you do it to someone lol
and you'll get randomly hated out
mossy saffron
You're right, will trim one or 2
placid wave
you can even try rotating between them in games
see which one makes you happiest
and yeah, if you have sensitive combo pieces, i would drop glimpse
it's like this weird mana banking card/impulse draw
mossy saffron
you can even try rotating between them in games
Yeah that sounds fun. Honestly they're interchangeable, probably the giant is the one that sparks the most joy to me and the dumbest
placid wave
sure go for that then
and count the moments where you have all the pieces and no giant
and decide if you need redundancy for that part of the combo
i suspect that will be very rare since there are so many moving pieces here
mossy saffron
it's like this weird mana banking card/impulse draw
You think so? I mean it creates token/pseudo ramp in early game and it gives me cards in late game when I'm out of gas
placid wave
yeah it's weird idk
if you're trying to combo off, the cards you draw don't come in the right way though
combos are very timing dependent and impulse draw and screw you in that regard
then again the eldrazi being tokens is interesting for brudi
i'd have to playtest it in the deck
mossy saffron
it happened to have exiled something good but the good thing is that they go back to gy, not impossible to get back. I should not rely on combo win
Like what I like the most is creating a lot of copies of the best creature on opponent's board
btw thank you so much for all the help so far
placid wave
is hell to pay a good card
it's another one of these mana banking cards
oh right they do hit the grave after
placid wave
Like what I like the most is creating a lot of copies of the best creature on op...
yeah then i would lean into the thing that makes you happiest
trim the self combo stuff to a minimum so you have the option
but embrace the i copy your stuff vibe
mossy saffron
is hell to pay a good card
It's a budget [[song of totentanz]]
hollow latchBOT
mossy saffron
There will always be a bird to kill
I felt like if I only relied on small tokens creators, after a boardwipe it would take me too long to get back to play while with these X spells like this and tempt with vengence I can get back to it quicker
placid wave
how much do you care that they're rats
like not at all right
and do you care about your opponent's also potentially getting stuff? https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/263/tempt-with-vengeance
tempt cards are always funny lol
mossy saffron
like not at all right
Ahah no, not at all. Disgusting but they'll become something better eventually
mossy saffron
and do you care about your opponent's also potentially getting stuff? https://sc...
yess this is in the list!
hollow latchBOT
placid wave
sorry i know you're looking for cuts, but i have my brewing hat on
i guess you're not really about spell slinging
mossy saffron
Yeah probably not enough inst/sorceries
mossy saffron
sorry i know you're looking for cuts, but i have my brewing hat on
no worries this is the fun part
I want to highlight the dumb interaction of brudiclad with [[asinine antics]]
hollow latchBOT
Sorcery
You may cast Asinine Antics as though it had flash if you pay 
more to cast it.
For each creature your opponents control, create a Cursed Role token attached to that creature. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature is 1/1.)
mossy saffron
you still turn the cursed role tokens 🫨
mossy saffron
no because they just become something else
placid wave
do the curses not lose their typing and thus no longer enchant the creature?
mossy saffron
let's say I have a karnstruct, play brudiclad and turn all the cursed role into karnstruct that I now control
placid wave
ok, that i get, my expectation is since they're full copies, they're no longer enchantments cursing the creatures
and you have a big army of karnstructs
mossy saffron
correct
mossy saffron
Why would they?
placid wave
oh wait brudi just makes the transform permanent
mossy saffron
Yep, not just until end of turn
placid wave
have you considered [[amphibian downpour]]
hollow latchBOT
mossy saffron
uh I guess it would work the same way
placid wave
it requires more set up or reliant on your opponents to do things
but the lockdown part of it is stronger
pains me to see solemn in the sideboard
i feel that's a staple in every non green deck
mossy saffron
but the lockdown part of it is stronger
yes 100%, at what storm count would you say it starts making sense?
placid wave
honestly depending on how bad the threats i would be happy at like 3
mossy saffron
i feel that's a staple in every non green deck
with the opportunity of making tons of them...
mossy saffron
I had to be very greedy with slotting in cards that don't generate tokens
placid wave
captain lannery also seems a bit underwhelming
i don't see many situations where you get more than like 1-2 attacks off with this thing
mossy saffron
but I guess I could remove one of the combo piece for slotting sad robots in
placid wave
and you can't even copy it
also maybe this is sacreligious, but i might even trim a coastal piracy effect
mossy saffron
maybe bident of thassa is the worst one
good point. Will see if I miss more card draw
placid wave
i guess my main concern is being totally reliant on combat for all of your draw
leaden drum
How often is [[Copy Land]] better than [[Manascape Refractor]]?
You might like Explorer's Scope, Scaretiller, Surveyor's Scope, Terrain Generator, or Walking Atlas. All solid ramping options in monoblue where your ramp will kind of be bad
young patrol
Did you have any thoughts about my question?
leaden drum
Basically the same appraisal as lexel. Refractor's not tied to a colour and has a higher ceiling. Copy Land lets you cast a cantrip the turn you casy it.
I think the main thing that'd push you either way is whether you have enchantment or artifact cost reduction?
The ones I mentioned are repeatable ramp you can use, especially if you've got some evasion and card draw
young patrol
I guess my impression was that Copy Land is overall worse because you need the thing you want to copy to already be in play and can't change your mind later, which makes it much less impressive on turn 3. With some +/- synergy for karoos and Lotus Field.
Even for something like Growing Rites where you'd greatly benefit from the mana immediately, the land is legendary, so it's more of a ritual there. Which tbf might still be worth going down a card depending on how much mana you're getting at the time.
shy remnant
Is this only for high power EDH or cEDH as well?
because I have a cEDH deck I could use some help on
leaden drum
All EDH is on topic here as far as I know, but it's probably assumed you're not cEDHing unless you specify
mossy saffron
when people talk about average mana value, do they mean with or without lands? I always assumed without?
rugged pendant
any suggestions for my anowon, the ruin thief deck? Im trying to power it up a bit, mainly due to deck being too slow compared to others at my lgs. i dont necessarily want to win, just be able to impact the game on early turns. also some cards are on my maybeboard only because i havent bought them yet
placid wave
when people talk about average mana value, do they mean with or without lands? I...
usually without yes, but it can get a little weird with mdfcs
leaden drum
when people talk about average mana value, do they mean with or without lands? I...
Without. The idea is to use it as a calculation for how much mana you need, on average, to keep playing your cards.
Deckbuilding formulas can get extremely complex (more than NP-complete) very quickly, so there's a lot of rules of thumb used to get a functional deck. Playtesting or goldfishing lets you identify any gaps in the formulas you used.
high copper
Hey guys, new here!
I’ve been thinking about making a hare apparent deck and have come down to these options for commanders, any recommendations welcome 🙌🏼
weak tendon
Hey guys, new here!
I’ve been thinking about making a hare apparent deck and hav...
Winota is actually really good. Baylen is probably another good option
weak tendon
Hey guys, new here!
I’ve been thinking about making a hare apparent deck and hav...
I’ll help you make the hare apparent deck, if you want. I kinda wanna make one too anyway. Lmk if ur down @high copper
leaden drum
Bit of a silly question regarding Lynde, Cheerful Tormenter. Any ways besides Skull of Orm, Crystal Chimes, and Gerrard's Hourglass Pendant to bring enchantments back from the graveyard?
Specifically just want a way to rebuild if the board gets wiped entirely
eager axle
https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Arecursion-enchantment+id%3Agrixis+f%3Aedh&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
Feels like there's more ways to recur opponents' enchantments than your own. lol
drowsy crypt
HI I Have a Question
The TARDIS States Its own name in its Description as a req for activating its own power
If I Were to copy its power with "Idris, Sould of the TARDIS"
Does its effect activate Since Idris has TARDIS In its name?
Sorry im new to Magic coming from yugioh
queen ivy
The TARDIS States Its own name in its Description as a req for activating its ow...
Any time a card references its own name, it’s actually saying “this card”. So no.
“Whenever this card attacks..”
It just uses the name of the card ✨for flavor✨
drowsy crypt
??
queen ivy
“Idris, Soul of the TARDIS” is a completely separate thing from “TARDIS”
drowsy crypt
It just uses the name of the card ✨*for flavor*✨
You said it is just for flavour and that it just means "This card" lol. im abit confused
placid wave
tay is asking if idris would get the trigger from Tardis
and i think the answer is yes
placid wave
what's the macro for rules in the discord
queen ivy
/cr
fallen totemBOT
queen ivy
Does its effect activate Since Idris has TARDIS In its name?
Okay, so assuming you exile the TARDIS to Idris, yes it will get the activated and triggered abolities of the TARDIS
placid wave
so it should be covered by 201.5b
queen ivy
I got caught up on the fact that you cared about the name of the card
She doesn’t care what the name of the card that gets exiled is
drowsy crypt
mm mmm, thankyou
Followup Would it NOT Copy The Crew Requirements?
queen ivy
It would have the crew ability, but it wouldn’t do much
placid wave
correct, that is a special activated ability for vehicles
queen ivy
It’s not a vehicle
drowsy crypt
I got caught up on the fact that you cared about the name of the card
Yeah im sorry In Yugion If the card says its own name that means Your card needs to be named that otherwise you cant activate its effect
placid wave
but the rules for vehicle is just that the artifact becomes a creature, but idris is already a creature
queen ivy
All good. Yeah, you can exile literally any artifact with Idris that you control
placid wave
Yeah im sorry In Yugion If the card says its own name that means Your card needs...
that's fair, it's not immediately intuitive
drowsy crypt
mmm so, Idris will copy the Crew effect, But it wont need to tap for crew since its already a creature?
If im understanding this correctly
placid wave
that's rigth
drowsy crypt
Thank you thank you!
placid wave
technically, if you really wanted Idris to become an artifact creature vs just a regular creature, you could still crew lol
if for example you had something that cared about artifact creatures like [[losheel]] on the field
hollow latchBOT
drowsy crypt
Nah i dont care about her becoming an artifact, Just wanted to bypass the Crew Effect
ALSO
If she does it to this, Would she Carry over Flying, and Trample?
queen ivy
If she does it to this, Would she Carry over Flying, and Trample?
No, as those are not activated or triggered abilities
placid wave
If she does it to this, Would she Carry over Flying, and Trample?
Activated abilities contain a colon. They're generally written "[Cost]: [Effect]." Some keyword abilities, like equip, are activated abilities and they have colons in their reminder text
Triggered abilities use the word "when," "whenever," or "at." They're often written as "[Trigger condition], [effect]." Some keyword abilities, such as prowess, are triggered abilities and will have "when," "whenever," or "at" in their reminder text.
hollow latchBOT
placid wave
some of the popular "lock down your commander so that you can't even put it into command zone" are [[kenrith's transformation]] [[darksteel mutation]] and [[eaten by pirhanas]]
placid wave
[[imprisoned in the moon]]
hollow latchBOT
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature, land, or planeswalker
Enchanted permanent is a colorless land with ": Add 
" and loses all other card types and abilities.
Only one vault was great enough to hold Emrakul.
placid wave
they're kinda bad for anything other can locking down a crucial commander though
hollow latchBOT
Sorcery
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Exile all creatures except those that share a creature type with a creature that convoked this spell, all artifacts, and all enchantments.
"I can see every single atom of your existence, and I divide them."
drowsy crypt
If [[idris, the soul of the tardis]] Convokes this while she is an Artifact creature, Would that save your artifacts?
hollow latchBOT
queen ivy
If [[idris, the soul of the tardis]] Convokes this while she is an Artifact crea...
No, artifacts and creatures are different card types.
Creature types are things like dinosaur, elf, etc
little gust
Quick question: if I use [[Stang, Echo Warrior]] to duplicate an equipped [[Tarrian's Soulcleaver]], does the token soulcleaver dying to legend rule give the equipped Stangg a +1/+1 counter since an artifact goes to graveyard?
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has vigilance.
Whenever another artifact or creature is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on equipped creature.
Equip
Tarrian's holy weapon still holds a fragment of his dark power... and his hunger.
placid wave
yes it would
hollow latchBOT
drowsy crypt
How does this interact with
[[Idris, soul of the tardis]] and like [[Flesh Duplicate]]
drowsy crypt
They have vanshing, would this bypass that vanishing?
Furthermore, if a board wipe is played could blur save a monster from the wipe?
queen ivy
(We have a channel that might be more helpful- #mtg-rules-questions)
placid wave
[[Idris, soul of the tardis]] and like [[Flesh Duplicate]]
idris would lose the original imprinted card and you would get the option to imprint a new one
flesh duplicate would come back in and get to select a new creature, again with 3 vanishing counters. so it doesn't fully get around it, but you do reset it
scarlet depot
Do u guys think nights whisper is worth it in mardu?
I am already playing painful truths.
placid wave
Do u guys think nights whisper is worth it in mardu?
I am already playing painfu...
it's a fine smoothing card. helps you find what you need and do something in the early game
queen cliff
I've been tinkering around with this deck for a while now, and wanted to know other peoples' thoughts on it and any cards I'm overlooking or are redundant/pointless. Key things that I've noticed while testing it out are basically that, with how difficult it is to get Haakon into the graveyard in the first place, I basically scoop if he gets exiled, so I'm looking for potential cards that can either protect against that or common cards to look out for (in addition to Bojuka or RIP) that I'm particularly vulnerable to that I may not be aware of.
Side notes:
I've got the deck organized by color tag: Green means I've tested it and am 99% sure I'm keeping it, Blue means I'm in the process of testing it, Red means I've tested it, but decided to cut it (it should be in the MaybeBoard anyway), Uncolored means I haven't tested it out yet (or is a swamp).
I am not going to be replacing Haakon as the commander, the entire purpose is that I wanted to play with a commander that is intentionally hard to work around and try to make it work.
I am not going to be adding any infinite Blood-Bond combos to the deck. I personally don't have any issues facing them, but I really don't like using them myself. Same goes for any other infinites.
I'd request that any suggestions be no more expensive than $2 USD. I'd love to say it's because I don't just want to run the most expensive, broken cards to make my jank work, but in reality it's entirely because I'm a broke binch.
I really don't want to remove the Planeswalker (because I really really like luka lmao)
https://archidekt.com/decks/9396502/guys_i_have_a_hilarious_idea
grand coyote
Could either of the Koma’s be nice in a [[Galadriel of Lothlórien]] deck?
hollow latchBOT
grand coyote
I’m thinking, like, as a ramp payoff
grand coyote
Nice, I’m actually having some good deckbuilding ideas
I like the Kaldheim one more
celest ore
I am going through my deck https://moxfield.com/decks/cZfoOZIbuEWRPnKuUHumIw and looking at cards that are kinda meh. Cards that could be replaced with better stuff in the future.
I don't know what I think of [[Éomer, King of Rohan]]. Could someone help me think about this please?
hollow latchBOT
celest ore
5 mana for a doublestrike 2/2 - that needs me to have ~3 other humans on the board to be worth the mana(?). There's also the monarchy but this deck doesnt really care about that. And dealing damage equal to its power is alright ig
I think Eomer doesn't help me get closer to the goal of the deck, making humans and pumping them, i guess this a shit card then?
loud fjord
Im trying to make some first changes to the [[Bello Bard of the Brambles]] precon. Ive had a couple difficult games against flyers so i wanted to add some reach or something.
hollow latchBOT
loud fjord
I was thinking about [[Assemble the Entmoot]], theres no life gain so the second half of it is useless but i figured since its a 4cmc enchantment it would go good? Any other options yall can think of?
hollow latchBOT
eager axle
[[Sandwurm Convergence]]
hollow latchBOT
eager axle
[[Akroma's Memorial]] will also get the job done if you hate having $30.
hollow latchBOT
loud fjord
Yeah super cool but super pricy
Vigilance is sweet for the 4 cost mana rocks cause you can tap for mana after you attack right?
eager axle
Yep
mossy flax
What are the best budget "I win the game cards" in a Naya Aggro Deck? (Voja, Jaws of the Conclave)
placid wave
What are the best budget "I win the game cards" in a Naya Aggro Deck? (Voja, Jaw...
[[overrun]] [[overwhelming stampede]] [[end-raze forerunners]]
willow minnow
[[coppercoat vanguard]]
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Human Soldier
Each other Human you control gets +1/+0 and has ward . (Whenever it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
It was a time for rebuilding, but first Ikoria's wrecked cities had to be cleared of monsters.
2/2
trim rock
[[Vivien's Stampede]] is another option.
hollow latchBOT
trim rock
Or even the recent [[Preposterous Proportions]]
hollow latchBOT
trim rock
If we're talking money budget.
snow vessel
any suggestions on how to cut down? https://moxfield.com/decks/ED2ytOYw5kyaUYJSn5XoQQ
winter peak
Does someone have suggestions for my Imotekh list? In theory, the commander and corresponding revival theme sound really cool, but I haven't managed to pop off with this one. I'll admit that I haven't yet decided where I wanna go with this, but I think I don't want a Combo build. Thanks in advance! 🫶
https://archidekt.com/decks/9786446/out_of_the_tombs
queen cliff
My friend has rocked my shit thrice now because some of their cards are indestructible and I have trouble playing around that with my mono-green deck, the most recent one being [[Avacyn, angel of hope]]. Only issue is that I basically only ever play with these guys, so I have no gosh dang idea what's actually played/overpowered by the community at large. Would it be a worthwhile idea to slot in something like [[Bonds of Mortality]] to deal with mass-Indestructible things, or is this more of a "Spiders Georg" situation, where their deck would be seen as an outlier and shouldn't be considered for most LGS play?
hollow latchBOT
Enchantment
When Bonds of Mortality enters, draw a card.
: Creatures your opponents control lose hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
Jace discovered the leyline pattern needed to anchor Ulamog and Kozilek to reality, but it was Nissa who could trace it on her world.
winter peak
My friend has rocked my shit thrice now because some of their cards are indestru...
In the case of cards like Avacyn—why don’t you run more exile removal to deal with these?
There also are a some board wipes that play around indestructibility, like [[Toxic Deluge]].
hollow latchBOT
queen cliff
In the case of cards like Avacyn—why don’t you run more exile removal to deal wi...
Normally I do, and I made sure to slot in non-destruction removal in every single one of my other decks for that very reason. Only issue is that I'm unaware of any cards in mono-green that can do that unless they're TOTALLY generic and very over-costed.
leaden drum
Normally I do, and I made sure to slot in non-destruction removal in every singl...
[[Shadowspear]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has trample and lifelink.
: Permanents your opponents control lose hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
Equip
A weapon of darkness for a warrior of light.
leaden drum
1mv, repeatable unshielding, gets you trample and lifelink too.
One of the cards that is good enough that I slot it into a lot of decks exclusively because, worst-case, it makes my creatures better lategame when life totals matter
queen cliff
Thanks for the advice. I think I'm gonna stick with the one I found, just because I'm too broke to try nabbing a $20+ card.
eager axle
My friend has rocked my shit thrice now because some of their cards are indestru...
Fwiw, I run Bonds of Mortality in my enchantress deck. Worst case scenario, it cantrips.
And if you have a consistent playgroup, it is ok to do a little bit of tailoring towards them.
leaden drum
2mv card draw's pretty respectable anyways, especially in monogreen where it's approx 1 effective mana to cast
young patrol
Is there anything interesting you can do with this?
Something like 5 or 6 creatures with token makers and a backup voltron setup for kellan.
But are there creatures worth the hassle?
leaden drum
Sure, nothing stops you from using shifting shadow as your secondary commander. For consistency, you'll probably need at least 15 creatures that are 1 drops so you can get 1 in your opening hand. As a result, you'll also need to include creatures that:
In Kellan's colour identity, I'd immediately suggest [[Enduring Courage]] and [[Icingdeath]]. And Shifting Shadow doesn't say "If you do", so you can maybe find a way to duplicate the trigger to cheat out an extra creature.
Run a couple cards that can bring back the aura, and probably some indestructible creatures like Brash Taunter or Solphim, Mayhem Dominus.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Dragon
Flying, vigilance
When Icingdeath, Frost Tyrant dies, create Icingdeath, Frost Tongue, a legendary white Equipment artifact token with "Equipped creature gets +2/+0," "Whenever equipped creature attacks, tap target creature defending player controls," and equip .
4/3
placid wave
Running high density of 1s means you’re likely to just hit another 1 which is anti climatic
[[Polymorph]] decks have been a thing for a while though making one pure boros seems interesting
hollow latchBOT
placid wave
there are lots of token makers at mv 2 or less, basically retreads of dragon fodder
i see like 10-15 reasonably playable ones already here
but yeah agree with the rest of animu's suggestions
placid wave
But are there creatures worth the hassle?
i think this is a neat build around, you should start a deck thread i think this is a neat build around
i think this is a neat build around, you should start a deck thread
[[sevinne's reclamation]] and [[sun titan]] are obvious choices for recurring shifting shadow
hollow latchBOT
Sorcery
Return target permanent card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. If this spell was cast from a graveyard, you may copy this spell and may choose a new target for the copy.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
little gust
Wanted to build a treasure-oriented deck and I'm having trouble choosing between [[Vihaan, Goldwaker]] and [[Edward Kenway]]. Anyone that runs either of these or both that could chime in? Looking to play something at a medium to medium-high power level range, if that helps.
grand coyote
Uhhhh baby’s first full deckbuilding and I need some suggestions
placid wave
Uhhhh baby’s first full deckbuilding and I need some suggestions
https://moxfie...
better to start a thread
young patrol
Uhhhh baby’s first full deckbuilding and I need some suggestions
https://moxfie...
Long term, actively monitor how much you are enjoying going infinite with Aggravated Assault / Sword of the Paruns / Umbral Mantle / Staff of Domination and how your playgroup's counterplay evolves knowing that that is a possible output of your deck. If they start proactively removing your commander, perhaps more protection will be something you want to play later on.
There are also a good handful of creatures like [[Kami of Whispered Hopes]] that can offer redundancy with the plan of converting power into mana.
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Spirit
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a permanent you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that permanent instead.
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is Kami of Whispered Hopes's power.
Nashi knelt reverently before the kami and envisioned his family reunited.
1/1
round vine
Hi, do u have a deck in moxfield that is autoqualified in the brackets 2?
grand coyote
Hi, do u have a deck in moxfield that is autoqualified in the brackets 2?
I think most decks are automatically bracket 2. Moxfield shows you what bracket you’re in
tight moat
I want to build a Bracket 4 [[Hazoret, Godseeker]] deck so I can [[Obliterate]] the board and truly feel like a GOD 
Just need some help finding the best cheap options in red for consistent early max speed.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — God
Indestructible, haste
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
, : Target creature with power 2 or less can't be blocked this turn.
Hazoret can't attack or block unless you have max speed.
5/3
grand coyote
I think the only/best way to get max speed on turn 4 is
1: Land with SYE!
2: [Haste] creature unblocked or damage spell
3: repeat 2
4: repeat 2
Hazoret on turn 3 with a creature out guarantees max speed on turn 4 as long as the other creature isn’t removed
leaden drum
Also worth note that you can get max speed on turn 3 if the opponent cracks a shockland on turn 1 before your end step.
So if you sequence to drop the raceland on turn 2, you'll still hit max speed on turn 4
spark burrow
What do you guys think is the minimum number of basic lands to make [[nexos]] worth running? In trying to improve my mana base for my Zaxara deck I realized the number of basics has gone down and I want to keep an eye on that...
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Human Tyranid Advisor
Strategic Coordinator — Basic lands you control have ": Add . Spend this mana only on costs that contain 
."
The blessed union of gun, claw, and merciless intent is a force to be truly feared.
2/2
queen ivy
What do you guys think is the minimum number of basic lands to make [[nexos]] wo...
Like 75%
The other 25% being fetches for the basics
spark burrow
Like 75%
Damn, that high? I'm currently at 38 lands and 12 are basic, and I was thinking I should revert a few of the non basics back, but wow
I had a few people in my deck thread telling me to swap out basics for multi-color lands
queen ivy
Idk, I’d maybe give it a shot at like 50/50 and go from there by testing
If you can pull off 50/50 try taking a nonbasic out and adding a basic
Just make sure to use basic land ramp for your stuff
So you consistently get your colors
spark burrow
Sounds like a plan. I'll give it a try
quiet knot
What do you guys think is the minimum number of basic lands to make [[nexos]] wo...
I never run less than 10 basics in a deck unless it's based around non-basic land types
If things care about basics, I recommend bumping it up to be the large majority of your land base
There's more ways to fix your mana than dual lands and fetches
spark burrow
I never run less than 10 basics in a deck unless it's based around non-basic lan...
Definitely. I haven't run into it at an LGS yet, but I live in fear of a Blood Moon or Back to Basics. I don't think I'd be comfortable going below 12 basics. Nexos still seems okay after playtesting with the current list but I'm considering going up to 14 anyway
glacial yacht
how much ramp, removal, card draw, and board wipes does a deck need?
weak tendon
how much ramp, removal, card draw, and board wipes does a deck need?
I would think about what your commander will get the most value from. Generally you should run 10 removal, 10-15 card draw, 2-3 board wipes (less as the power level increases. I would say you should have a good 30 cards that can meaningfully interact with your commander and the rest is utility.
The board wipes you run should all be one sided and leave you in a better position than your opponents.
The removal you run should all be 3 or less mana, also counters and removal are different things.
open dagger
https://moxfield.com/decks/YjylFaN2EUCMMqEmu0t0Eg
can someone help me with my lathril deck. I keep getting into a 3v1 and dying as soon as she hits the field. Shes only a bracket 3 commander with only 2 game changers
eager axle
My first impression glancing at the deck is it's at least a very strong 3 and very expensive. Lathril is a powerful commander and this deck is loaded with powerful cards. Getting focused makes sense?
glacial yacht
https://moxfield.com/decks/YjylFaN2EUCMMqEmu0t0Eg
can someone help me with my l...
get rid of gaea's cradle and the one ring
they make the deck a bracket 3 and being a bracket 2 would get you less focused on
finite musk
get rid of gaea's cradle and the one ring
they make the deck a bracket 3 and bei...
i don’t think the opponents would exactly care too much about what bracket the deck is in
rotund forge
I think Lathril gets focused in either bracket.
quiet knot
If I see a Lathril, I shoot it. End of discussion.
Elves don't deserve a way to win the game
open dagger
@open dagger https://moxfield.com/decks/pMup2QycwEO8-z3ohvBOrA
Can someone help me with my deck it feels very hard to recover from boardwipes
winter peak
What exactly do you mean by Bracket? Moxfield even shows the brackets at the top. :)
willow minnow
i have one spot for interaction
currently stuck btween swords, get lost, static prison or some counterspell
placid wave
you're mostly a tap out deck so i would say get lost is slightly better
though i would consider going up 1 more mana and play stroke of midnight or any of the decent o-ring effects
grand coyote
I’m building a Galadriel of Lothlórien deck, can I get some people to give some pointers?
open dagger
https://moxfield.com/decks/oHLyB8KUi0CHEyvRBtXWBw
is my deck a bracket 4? it says bracket 3 but i've been beating people playing bracket 4 decks
winter peak
I’m building a Galadriel of Lothlórien deck, can I get some people to give some ...
This is going in the right direction! I would cut
grand coyote
This is going in the right direction! I would cut
- Temple of the False God
- Ga...
Here are some of my ideas for what I could add. I’m looking at cards in the Elven Council precon since, for right now, I want to mostly use cards I currently own
-Lórien Revealed for card draw
-Learn from the Past for semi-retrieval
-Time Stretch to make use of Mana
-Negate for another counterspell
-No escape for counterspell + scry
-Primeval Bounty for landfall
grand coyote
Could I get away with running more lands?
weak tendon
Could I get away with running more lands?
How many lands are you running?
grand coyote
I’m building a Galadriel of Lothlórien deck, can I get some people to give some ...
~37 @weak tendon
weak tendon
~37 <@702572448058572949>
Alright. Thats a good amount, is your curve high? Lmk if you need help identifying what a high curve looks like
grand coyote
Alright. Thats a good amount, is your curve high? Lmk if you need help identifyi...
I guess I’m wondering because the deck is designed to get lots of lands out. The link to the list is in chat, I just have some spots missing that I need filled
weak tendon
I guess I’m wondering because the deck is designed to get lots of lands out. The...
You could go up to 40 lands
wheat glen
Alright. Thats a good amount, is your curve high? Lmk if you need help identifyi...
Me with my deck at 28 lands
weak tendon
Me with my deck at 28 lands
Is it like a cantrip spellslinger deck? I have a deck with 33 and 5 MCDFC flip lands.
wheat glen
Is it like a cantrip spellslinger deck? I have a deck with 33 and 5 MCDFC flip l...
Eh, I guess?
27 lands and 4 mdfc
So technically 31 lands
finite musk
i have one with 30
weak tendon
Eh, I guess?
Honestly, just depends on your curve and how much ramp you are running. A lot of control decks can get away with less lands. I would advice playing more lands in general though
weak tendon
https://youtu.be/nb_jLL3WrB4?si=-7OjEIxG6Rzmz5X_ @wheat glen here
wheat glen
It's Yuriko
weak tendon
That curve for that deck is at 1-2
Makes sense then
weak tendon
If you want CEDH advice, snail is really good
weak tendon
I don't play cedh
Yuriko is a CEDH commander lol. Are you missing some of the core pieces? She’s on the high power list for a reason.
wheat glen
I just don't run many unblockable creatures
And nor high cmc cards
I just do cheap burn and have flying creatures
So if you put flying, welp
weak tendon
Yuriko is amazing, so if you wanna level her up a bit, it’s definitely an option.
wheat glen
And I don't abuse scry
finite musk
just use ninjas
wheat glen
I do use ninja
wheat glen
Yuriko is amazing, so if you wanna level her up a bit, it’s definitely an option...
Always
But I don't want to so
weak tendon
But I don't want to so
Good for you man.
eager axle
If you want CEDH advice, snail is really good
Since when does Snail lean cedh?
eager axle
Hmm. I would still say most of his videos are very much not for c.
weak tendon
Hmm. I would still say most of his videos are very much not for c.
Maybe not like super CEDH, but he mentions stuff on the more powerful side of commander
spark burrow
But I don't want to so
I appreciate a fellow casual Yuriko player 🤝
wheat glen
I appreciate a fellow casual Yuriko player 🤝
Happy to meet u sir
open dagger
https://moxfield.com/decks/pMup2QycwEO8-z3ohvBOrA
can someone help me maximize my deck while keeping it in bracket 3?
weak tendon
https://moxfield.com/decks/pMup2QycwEO8-z3ohvBOrA
can someone help me maximize ...
Yeah, can you make a deck thread
@ me in it
@open dagger dude, do you want help or not?
open dagger
okay sec
young patrol
I always feel compelled to put Genesis into my selfmilling decks to have something to do when the board gets wiped multiple times but when playing with decks a bracket lower than me, Genesis is too strong. What are some alternatives that would let me get back stuff to do that aren't as persistent?
I'm specifically looking for monogreen cards that can be used when they're in my graveyard.
snow vessel
What mono - red or Mono blue decks do yall recommend? I want to find some neat and fun decks
weak tendon
What mono - red or Mono blue decks do yall recommend? I want to find some neat a...
I’ll send you some commanders
snow vessel
I’ll send you some commanders
Thank you!
spark burrow
I'm specifically looking for monogreen cards that can be used when they're in my...
[[Seasons past]] doesn't work from the graveyard per se, but it does let you get a bunch of cards back from the graveyard, and then Seasons Past recycles itself onto the bottom of your library
hollow latchBOT
spark burrow
It's been really valuable in my Roxanne deck where I often have more mana than cards to play so I can get cards back and do stuff again
glacial yacht
My deck basically just dies when a board wipe resolves, are there good cards for preventing wipes that don't simply destroy creatures?
eager axle
My deck basically just dies when a board wipe resolves, are there good cards for...
Colors? And is it usually sacrifice or exile that's causing you problems?
glacial yacht
Colors? And is it usually sacrifice or exile that's causing you problems?
esper
and i haven't finished the deck, i just dont want to die when i lose my platinum angel to a supreme verdict/calamity of the titans/blasphemous edict
eager axle
Well if you have blue, you can always counterspell most options.
White has numerous gain indestructible until end of turn effects.
White also has phasing - Teferi's Protection, Perch Protection, Clever Concealment, Galadriel's Dismissal
Black and white can both do mass reanimation.
spark burrow
Not to mention black has a bunch of "when this creature dies this turn return it to the battlefield" effects
glacial yacht
phasing and reanimation dont work for the deck because its perpetually at zero life
spark burrow
phasing and reanimation dont work for the deck because its perpetually at zero l...
[[Phyrexian unlife]]?
hollow latchBOT
glacial yacht
how would phyrexian unlife help
spark burrow
It would give you time to reanimate your platinum angel or until it phases back in. It could be a backup if you need to hit an emergency button for a turn
eager axle
phasing and reanimation dont work for the deck because its perpetually at zero l...
There's nothing that will stop all removal while leaving the creature in place. The answer is counter spell then.
open dagger
Which one is better for teysa orzhov scion?
eager axle
Painters Servant is a bigger red flag because there's more abuse cases.
queen ivy
Both are combo pieces, so
eager axle
Darkest hour locks you out of Teysa's sac outlet, but lets you go infinite easily with other sac outlets
queen ivy
Oh, it removes other colors
eager axle
So yeah, I guess in the case of Teysa, both are equally kill or lose the game.
gusty depot
What are some grixis cards that can copy planeswalker abilties?
I know of jaya phoenix, adric, lithoform engine, rings of brighthearth, and rowans talent
Are there any others I’m missing?
shrewd kiln
[[Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God]]
hollow latchBOT
shrewd kiln
does using Bolas solely to double up on abilities count?
gusty depot
does using Bolas solely to double up on abilities count?
?
What do you mean does it count
Oh shit my b
I misremembered my own questions
Sorry
I already got that guy in my deck I appreciate it tho
queen ivy
What are some grixis cards that can copy planeswalker abilties?
I know of jaya p...
[[strionic resonator]]
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
, : Copy target triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A triggered ability uses the words "when," "whenever," or "at.")
Its tines cannot be rung by mere physical force. Only magic of great power can start its eldritch resonance.
queen ivy
God that took me way too long to remember
gusty depot
Does strionic work for planeswalkers? I didn’t think they were triggered abilities
queen ivy
Does strionic work for planeswalkers? I didn’t think they were triggered abiliti...
Dang
You right
I always thought it said activated or triggered
gusty depot
Oh it’s [[lithoform engine]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Artifact
, : Copy target activated or triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
, : Copy target instant or sorcery spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
, : Copy target permanent spell you control. (The copy becomes a token.)
gusty depot
That’s the activated or triggers one
queen ivy
Yeah, I knew about that one but I thought that strionic also did both
rain cairn
How do I find synergistic cards for my deck w/o having my eyes glued to edhrec and YouTube videos over the specific commander
placid wave
start familiarizing yourself with the tagging system on scryfall
look at cards that have mechanics that you want more of
eg. if you want more cards like [[viscera seer]]
hollow latchBOT
placid wave
if you scroll down and click on "open scryfall tagger", you'll find cards that people have tagged in similar ways
then you can search in scryfall proper using one of those tags
https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Afree-sacrifice-outlet&unique=cards
then you keep filtering down based on your needs
for example, if your deck was rakdos and you want to look for free sac outlets for creatures, you can do
and scryfall will fully explain what it's trying to look up
high copper
I would like to get this deck checked!
I'd also appreciate for tips on which gamechangers to run to maintain it bracket 3
https://moxfield.com/decks/cZK0bl17VEGjcW20XB104Q
tender parrot
Hello everybody! I am hoping that somebody can give me some feedback and advice on a deck I just recently built, and spent quite a significant time putting together. I would love to know what I can do better according to the themes I have below, and potentially any opinions/feedback I can get to improve this deck.
My theme for this deck is centered around attractions and token generations. I want an army of robot/clown tokens to fight for me, while constantly rolling dice and opening attractions. For example, I have 5 attraction openers and Conjurer's Closet so I can bounce them in and out to open more attractions. Furthermore, I have three creatures that double/triple my tokens, and finally, a bunch of cards that allow me to roll dice.
Please let me know if I have enough dice rolls/dice advantage cards, and what I should maybe add? Additionally, what I can do to make my deck more secure and based on the silly token generation.
I understand I should add mirkwood bats and other cards to drain opponents, but right now I rather focus on my main themes:
My deck: (Price does not matter please ignore prices)
https://archidekt.com/decks/11700250/my_house
placid wave
**Hello everybody!** I am hoping that somebody can give me some feedback and adv...
I think you are best off starting a thread in deck brewing for more in-depth discussion
grand coyote
Working on an OTJ Obeka list, looking for thoughts on what to add/what to edit. Thanks!
tender parrot
Hello everybody!
I just made a Doctor Who Eleventh Doctor deck and I am curious if anybody has time to give it a look and give me feedback and suggestions for what I can improve with this deck:
https://archidekt.com/decks/11851848/doctor_who
I am attempting to make a high synergy on theme deck where I stick with the theme of Doctor Who, while still being a deck I want to keep in Bracket 3 / Mid-Range
grand coyote
Just looking for any thoughts on this Da Vinki list
https://moxfield.com/decks/XVm0fdKmcEehTp6x5AXwiw
winter bay
Hi - Im fairly new to MTG, and been playing this Mendicant Guidelight deck for a bitnow, was wondering if there were any good budget ways to ramp the power of the deck up to maybe a 3-4 bracket.. Moxfield seems to evaluate it at a 2 and I dont know enough about magic to challenge that.. My friends usually play very high power decks (or things that feel that way to my baby self and just wanna be able to compete with them a bit more)
quasi meadow
Hi - Im fairly new to MTG, and been playing this Mendicant Guidelight deck for a...
You can try putting cheerios in your deck - 0 cost artifacts then copy them. you can also play artifacts that are controly and copy those too
not a bad deck list tho
rotund forge
Hi - Im fairly new to MTG, and been playing this Mendicant Guidelight deck for a...
[[Drafna|bro]] might be a good inclusion to add more of a similar effect to your commander.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Artificer Advisor
: Return target artifact you control to its owner's hand.
, : Copy target artifact spell you control. (The copy becomes a token.)
Alongside his wife, Hurkyl, Drafna built a legacy of scholarship that endured for millennia.
2/1
rotund forge
[[Thousand moon smithy]] and [[urza, lord high artificer]] also
hollow latchBOT
Barracks of the Thousand
Legendary Artifact Land
(Transforms from Thousand Moons Smithy.)
: Add .
Whenever you cast an artifact or creature spell using mana produced by Barracks of the Thousand, create a white Gnome Soldier artifact creature token with "This token's power and toughness are each equal to the number of artifacts and/or creatures you control."
Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
When Urza enters, create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This token gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."
Tap an untapped artifact you control: Add .
: Shuffle your library, then exile the top card. Until end of turn, you may play that card without paying its mana cost.
1/4
rotund forge
[[Golden thopteryx]]
hollow latchBOT
hollow latchBOT
Artifact Creature — Dinosaur Thopter
Flying, lifelink
Each legendary permanent you control has ward . (Whenever it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
Worlds apart, Huatli built a device Saheeli would have been proud of.
1/3
rotund forge
[[Twinning staff]]
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
If you would copy a spell one or more times, instead copy it that many times plus an additional time. You may choose new targets for the additional copy.
, : Copy target instant or sorcery spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
bright atlas
Suggestions on what to cut/replace to
https://moxfield.com/decks/TDg1H11td0aO7AOidd-rCQ
Don't have a budget, just please don't suggest any stupidly expensive cards
placid wave
Suggestions on what to cut/replace to
https://moxfield.com/decks/TDg1H11td0aO7A...
What’s the actual win con or goal for the deck? Often times group hug just ends up being a king maker for the person with the fastest deck
grand coyote
Yeah, like what do you get from the hugging other than politics?
open dagger
https://moxfield.com/decks/Ew-0DhFnAEG1cs6CB6LfdQ can someone help me fix my shroofus deck it has a 0% win rate in bracket 3 across 10 games
placid wave
https://moxfield.com/decks/Ew-0DhFnAEG1cs6CB6LfdQ can someone help me fix my shr...
What are you typically losing to
Or what do the games look like when you feel like you’re ahead or close to winning and then lose
I have some suspicions, but good to validate against your experiences
open dagger
What are you typically losing to
My friends use a lot of removal and are scared of shroofus before the game starts
placid wave
damn and you're already running like 8+ protection spells
if it's that bad you could try running something like [[asceticism]] to pre-empt the removal entirely
hollow latchBOT
Enchantment
Creatures you control have hexproof.
: Regenerate target creature. (The next time it would be destroyed this turn, instead tap it, remove it from combat, and heal all damage on it.)
"Let my ignominy build walls thicker than iron and stronger than darksteel." —Thrun, the last troll
placid wave
i don't love it but it's an option
the other thing is you might be playing shroofus too early
if your friends are packing removal but you never play your commander, they'll pretty likely fire it off on each other
so you feel out the first wave of removal and the play shroof when you have the mana to play and protect with 1-2 spells at once
by then hopefully they've exhausted their stuff on each other first
open dagger
I feel like if shroofus isnt out t2 he cant generate tokens since people will have blocks by t3
vital urchin
[[polukranos reborn]]
I'm new to edh and mtg, read some rules but I'm still iffy. So this guy has green, white and phyrexian mana costs, does the phyrexian cost make it have a phyrexian color identity?
hollow latchBOT
: Transform Polukranos Reborn. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)Polukranos, Engine of Ruin
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Hydra
Reach, lifelink
Whenever Polukranos or another nontoken Hydra you control dies, create a 3/3 green and white Phyrexian Hydra creature token with reach and a 3/3 green and white Phyrexian Hydra creature token with lifelink.
6/6
queen ivy
[[polukranos reborn]]
I'm new to edh and mtg, read some rules but I'm still if...
There is no such thing as “phyrexian” color identity. The phyrexian pip is white, however, making this a Green/White commander
The only thing that applies to identity is the five colors: White, Blue, Black, Red, and Green
vital urchin
There is no such thing as “phyrexian” color identity. The phyrexian pip is white...
That is exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you.
grand coyote
If someone to take a look at this and give their thoughts, that’d be much appreciated!
https://moxfield.com/decks/LQAW6JzVak6FDacxWLZ_Qw
weak tendon
If someone to take a look at this and give their thoughts, that’d be much apprec...
Damn this is cool. I like the idea. Have you ever thought about Kona or Eladamri.
[[Kona, rescue beastie]]
weak tendon
[[eladamri korvecdal]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Elf Warrior
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.
, , Tap two untapped creatures you control: Reveal a card from your hand or the top card of your library. If you reveal a creature card this way, put it onto the battlefield. Activate only during your turn.
3/3
grand coyote
I’m not sure about either.
weak tendon
I’m not sure about either.
You are sort of casting high mana sorceries.
Those are about cheating in big creatures
grand coyote
Maybe Kona
eager axle
If someone to take a look at this and give their thoughts, that’d be much apprec...
I was disappointed just now to only see 5 9-drops. :P
reef yacht
so looking to add more card draw to this deck and Idk what to cut to add such card draw and what card draw to add in general
grand coyote
I was disappointed just now to only see 5 9-drops. :P
(Should I add more?)
queen ivy
(Should I add more?)
I mean, gotta commit to the bit now and do Oops! All 9 Drops
grand coyote
I mean, gotta commit to the bit now and do Oops! All 9 Drops
Idk I try to come up with silly jokes for my decks, and I’m kinda stuck on this one
queen ivy
I usually go for alliteration
Jodah’s Giant Jamboree
Jodah’s Ginormous Gang of Goofy Goobers
jade glacier
Anyone ever made a space marine commander deck that’s powerful and optimized?
It’s a fun theme to play with
weak tendon
Anyone ever made a space marine commander deck that’s powerful and optimized?
Abaddon, the Despoiler.
Marneus Calgar
Commissar Severina Raine
@jade glacier gave you some suggestions.
jade glacier
https://edhrec.com/sets/40k
So wait, it’s a full deck, but you can choose the commander or?
Since I’m kinda looking to make an only (human/space marine deck) so anti-xeno kind of deck
And one demon/chaos 40k inspired deck
Both have to be powerful and optimized but it’s pretty complicated tbh to make 2
weak tendon
So wait, it’s a full deck, but you can choose the commander or?
Those are the most popular commanders from the 40k set.
weak tendon
Both have to be powerful and optimized but it’s pretty complicated tbh to make 2
I don’t know how it’s complicated. They are both tribal decks, which aren’t exactly hard to make in my opinion.
Also the commanders I chose out were the ones with the most potential. I also don’t think you should make a pure tribal deck because shoving all the dudes from 40k isn’t exactly a game plan and it’s not like they have a lot of synergy. I would go outside 40l universe for a commander. For example, Ceasar is really good.
queen ivy
Since I’m kinda looking to make an only (human/space marine deck) so anti-xeno k...
There are the precons themselves that would be a really good start. The lead for the humans/Space Marine deck is [[Marneus Calgar]] and the leader of the chaos deck is [[Abaddon the despoiler]]. Those would probably be two of the best options as leaders for that kind of deck anyway, though you can always replace Marneus with [[Inquisitor Greyfax]], the backup commander for the Imperium of Man precon.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Astartes Warrior
Double strike
Master Tactician — Whenever one or more tokens you control enter, draw a card.
Chapter Master — : Create two 2/2 white Astartes Warrior creature tokens with vigilance.
3/5
Legendary Creature — Human Inquisitor
Vigilance
Unquestionable Wisdom — Other creatures you control get +1/+0 and have vigilance.
Hunt for Heresy — , : Tap target creature an opponent controls. Investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
3/3
quasi meadow
https://scryfall.com/card/40k/8/marneus-calgar
Marneas Calgar is nutty
jade glacier
There are the precons themselves that would be a really good start. The lead for...
Well mainly human/space marine, the other one is demons mainly so Chaos
So you can go out of wh 40k ofcourse
But keep it in it’s theme
If you get what I mean
queen ivy
If you get what I mean
Yeah I do, I just meant those precons are a good start
queen cliff
Would it be a bad idea to forgo [[The ozolith]] and just run [[Resourceful Defense]] instead in my [[zabaz, the Glimmerwasp]] counter deck? Mostly just because $30 is a bit of a tough pill to swallow, and I primarily play mostly casually.
hollow latchBOT
Enchantment
Whenever a permanent you control leaves the battlefield, if it had counters on it, put those counters on target permanent you control.
: Move any number of counters from target permanent you control to another target permanent you control.
Legendary Artifact Creature — Insect
Modular 1
If a modular triggered ability would put one or more +1/+1 counters on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.
: Destroy target artifact you control.
: Zabaz gains flying until end of turn.
0/0
placid wave
Would it be a bad idea to forgo [[The ozolith]] and just run [[Resourceful Defen...
Yeah that’s a pretty good budget swap
tender parrot
Hello everybody! I just made a new deck that I feel very passionate about, and I am hoping to have it reviewed so I can receive some feedback/opinions on it! Its a The Master, Transcendent deck which I absolutely love. I tried to make it Fallout themed, while still having powerful cards in my deck so it can compete with other decks, and I am curious if that theme is recognized and has good synergy? Please let me know what you think before I buy it ❤️
https://archidekt.com/decks/12031907/the_master_transcendent_the_mutant_deck
placid wave
**Hello everybody!** I just made a new deck that I feel very passionate about, a...
I think you would be best off starting a thread in deck building to keep all the discussion under one post
finite mica
Hello! Guys what do you think of making the new Mardu deck a Party deck with cards from Party Time precon? [[NALIA de'Arnise]]. Is it possible for you to make a token warriors deck with aristocrats without like [[Teysa Karlov]] or [[Elenda, the dusk rose]]?
rotund forge
Yes, always possible but Teysa probably is good to include if you're doing Zurgo as the commander
[[zurgo|tdc]]
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
Or no, they're leaves triggers and not dies
knotty scarab
Fellas, do I really need hard removal if I maybe have ways of dealing with threats that also synergize with my game plan?
grand coyote
Not a fella, but if I got some more info I could give a better answer than otherwise
knotty scarab
Not a fella, but if I got some more info I could give a better answer than other...
I've got a thread floating around with the deck if you wanna check it out! There's two cards that pop out at me that might be too cute/niche that I could swap for real interaction, I'm just not sure if I need to
https://discord.com/channels/675113113934364683/1356406415924924636
My issue is I'm getting back into edh and I'm brewing in a vacuum so I can't tell if my deck checks all the boxes it needs to function haha
placid wave
Fellas, do I really need hard removal if I maybe have ways of dealing with threa...
This is too broad of a statement to really comment on
But generally yes, there are ways to interact that are not strictly removal
One of my favourite ways being using other peoples creatures as blockers
Or things like fogs or damage redirection
placid wyvern
I'm a returning mtg player (played for about 3-4 months or so, random decks on cockatrice, a sandbox mtg app on pc), wanted to get into and learn commander, but unsure what kind of decks I should look into.
I was a big fan of how modern played as it was the format I tried out the most but I dabbled in legacy and a couple vintage decks but I'm not spending vintage money lol (around $300-500 for a deck I guess)
The playstyles that I liked when I played before were:
placid wave
I'm a returning mtg player (played for about 3-4 months or so, random decks on c...
Out of that list gy/sac engine lists are probably the most viable and interesting to play.
dragons, Vampires and eldrazi, as with most typal decks, are also solid if a bit linear
Aggro decks like pure infect or affinity are harder to pull off with the nature of a 4 player 40 hp singleton format you can make them work
A good place to start exploring is edhrec’s themes page https://edhrec.com/tags/themes
You can sort by theme and drill down by colour and commander
You can also absolutely get a deck that has the feeling of modern power levels without spending a ton of money
Budget decks can still be pretty strong and fun to play since the format is essentially vintage lite
Aside from the actual ban list, most of the restrictions are socially imposed and it really depends on what group you play with. You can jam super fast turbo combo decks packed with cheap/free interaction (which will be more expensive) or you can play at more casual tables that focus less on purely winning and doing funny things
young patrol
Is there a bracket 1 equivalent to Skullclamp in RW?
placid wave
Is there a bracket 1 equivalent to Skullclamp in RW?
well red and white aren't really the colour of sac to draw
skullclamp in general is uniquely overpowered for card draw
I also wouldn't say skullclamp is inherently not bracket 1
young patrol
Wasn't there a For Mirrodin! card that drew cards for going wide?
stiff river
There is Welcoming vampire for power 2 or less creatures
placid wave
if you just mean an artifact equipment that in some ways draw cards, sure this is it
stiff river
If it's a life gain deck that can spend the man's there is something called Well of lost dreams that let's you draw as much as life gained.
young patrol
Welcoming Vampire having flying is probably a big deal for Tajic
placid wave
if you're just looking for any equipment that can draw cards, there's stuff like [[mask of memory]] too
hollow latchBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may draw two cards. If you do, discard a card.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
young patrol
The problem with Mask is that they have to actually connect
I love it, don't get me wrong, but I can't expect a 1/1 soldier token to do much with it
placid wave
well there's nothing that quite beats skullclamp in terms of raw draw on an equipment
like what are you looking for specifically? a draw engine, equipment or sac outlet
skullclamp is a top tier draw engine and sac outlet
well "sac" outlet
which tajic are you building
stiff river
By the way something I am curious on if there are any particularly good 3 cost mana rocks? I've got a Boros Liara portyr deck I've been using for a while but one of the main things is that I just have mostly random mana rocks in there. Not to mention I'm thinking of adding one or two more over lands so I'm not sure what I want to put in it.
placid wave
By the way something I am curious on if there are any particularly good 3 cost m...
to clarify, do you have some specific need for 3 mana rocks or are you generally considering what your ramp package and mana base should look like?
stiff river
to clarify, do you have some specific need for 3 mana rocks or are you generally...
Well in the deck I need mana rocks that make colored mana. The 3 drops are fine because I am usually casting them for free since with my commander I can discount spells cost from exile by 3, but the big thing is I need colored mana to pay for pips for most other cards I want to cast from exile
placid wave
ok that makes sense
generally speaking it would avoid building too hard around assuming your commander will always be out
so 2 mana rocks and non-rock ramp should be considered
even if 3 mana colourless artifacts are the optimal sweet spot
there will be times you can't attack all your opponents too
that being said i really like [[skyclave relic]]
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
Kicker
Indestructible
When this artifact enters, if it was kicked, create two tapped tokens that are copies of this artifact.
: Add one mana of any color.
Skyclaves held the key to reshaping the world.
stiff river
Very unlikely with my deck admittedly, but having rock ramp is super important for later game. That being said I could try the Skyclave relic but IDK how often I would be able to do kicker, it would definitely be affected by my hits
I do have arcane signet, Fellwar stone, and the diamonds too thou
placid wave
that's fine, even if you only ever play it as a [[darksteel ingot]], having a mana rock that doesn't die to a random artifact board wipe is pretty good
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
Indestructible (Effects that say "destroy" don't destroy this artifact.)
: Add one mana of any color.
"It reflects the purity of Mirrodin-that-was." —Koth of the Hammer
placid wave
i'm not a fan of the diamonds
stiff river
that's fine, even if you only ever play it as a [[darksteel ingot]], having a ma...
Oh yeah fair. Didnt notice the indestructible
placid wave
i feel like you're incentivzed to run rocks that come in untapped so you can actually use them to cast the other spells you get off liara
they're also awkward on the curve
i would stick to stuff like [[boros signet]] and [[talisman of conviction]]
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
, : Add .
Carved high into stone, the signet requires all to look up at it—whether with fear or admiration.
Artifact
: Add .
: Add or . This artifact deals 1 damage to you.
"The sun banishes darkness every morning. I too will rise with such assuredness." —Huatli
placid wave
Diamonds are great
i think they're ok for other non green decks, but liara does uniquely care about rocks that can come in untapped imo
queen ivy
Yeah, could be
stiff river
I have signet, And while ive been thinking about conviction part of me is not sure it is actually a good idea if I end up getting slammed
placid wave
the doctor who utility rocks are neat
[[laser screwdriver]] [[sonic screwdriver]]
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Tap target artifact.
, : Surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
, : Goad target creature. (Until your next turn, it attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Untap another target artifact.
, : Scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)
, : Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
stiff river
Oh yeah I definitely want those
placid wave
I have signet, And while ive been thinking about conviction part of me is not su...
if using it to pay 1 life a few times is killing you, something else is already going horribly wrong lol
the nice thing is you're not forced to use it for the coloured mana either
stiff river
Fair enough. I just know I get focused pretty hard once I start hitting hard
stiff river
the nice thing is you're not forced to use it for the coloured mana either
TBF it is VERY rare that I dont need colored mana though
placid wave
that's fair, but the option is there
stiff river
Fair
placid wave
here's the search i'm working with https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3A"mana-rock"+ci%3Awr+f%3Ac+(o%3A{R}+or+o%3A{W}+or+o%3A"any")&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
stiff river
....Why am I immediately tempted to go for the bobbleheads?
placid wave
haha
if there was ever a commander to do it, liara would definitely jump out lol
i will say i'm not sure how you'll manage to also get 3 attackers on the board consistently
stiff river
Myriad or things that make tokens usually. Liara uniquely works with them because of how she is worded
placid wave
right each opponent attacked and you stack the myriad trigger on top of liara's
stiff river
I also use things like Urabrask's forge or Rite of the raging storm in general
placid wyvern
Out of that list gy/sac engine lists are probably the most viable and interestin...
do you have any commander rec's that I can look into for putting into that site?
like commander cards
placid wave
do you have any commander rec's that I can look into for putting into that site?
which theme are you most interested in
placid wyvern
probably gy/sac and dragons
I've seen for vampires edgar markov deck is what most people run, not sure on the eldrazi side
placid wave
probably gy/sac and dragons
dragons are one of the most popular types and have many good commanders to choose from. the new set dragonstorm will also have some new stuff to play with https://edhrec.com/tags/dragons
arisocrat decks are also quite popular https://edhrec.com/tags/aristocrats. i've seen teysa karlov decks generally do well and most people don't pack enough gy hate to stop your loops
placid wyvern
I wish dragonstorm wasn't sold out at fair prices everywhere because the sultai arisen deck looks cool but it's like 2.5x the price in Canada if I wanna buy from somebody @placid wave
placid wyvern
nevermind, found a good price on a local shop that had pre-orders! woo
placid wave
supporting local stores is always a win
placid wyvern
dragons are one of the most popular types and have many good commanders to choos...
from edhrec how do you determine what to pick? it's a bit overwhelming with all the cards it shows tbh haha
placid wave
from edhrec how do you determine what to pick? it's a bit overwhelming with all ...
you can start with just the most popular ones, but honestly a part of the joy of commander is exploring and trying different things. maybe just scan the page for the first commander that even slightly intrigues you for any reason (art, ability, colour combo) and then try building it
dire lodge
I'd also peruse the different themes that exist in commander, and try to find one that interests you as well
tender parrot
Hello everybody! I am making a [[Blim, Comedic Genius]] deck with no budget restrictions and I am hoping to receive some help. The problem is that I want to gift players gifts that will bring chaos and potentially benefit me while also not gifting cards that will just ruin their games like all of the enchantments that make you lose the game almost instantly. Does anybody have any suggestions? I just want to run chaos?
hollow latchBOT
open dagger
https://moxfield.com/decks/6G2dUz5V1Ey40ESiSMBRVw
Can anybody help fix my deck to be more consistent and resilient and flexible and interactive
grand coyote
I’m hoping to have a [[Lydia Frye]] deck, so I kinda found one I liked and made it more budget/stuff in my collection. I was hoping for thoughts on the deck! Thanks!
hollow latchBOT
rain robin
Can I ask for someone’s help with making a ur dragon deck please I finally got the card, but I need to build a deck for it
wheat glen
Hey, I need some help to make cuts: https://moxfield.com/decks/zrGZAKg4GUycYrhO__um4g
grand coyote
Hey, I need some help to make cuts: https://moxfield.com/decks/zrGZAKg4GUycYrhO_...
I’d recommend starting by making tags—your main plan/theme, secondary plan/theme, then ramp, interaction, etc. It helps you see what you need, if you have too many themes, what you have too much of, etc.
wheat glen
I do that for my other decks, I didn't have time to do it yet for that one
vocal solar
Azorius blink/clone deck, deck creature base is 90% clones with 10% non-clones that are just worth blinking like Sad Robot.
Would you rather run [[Toothy]] which can be blinked to draw and re-add the counters but doesn't provide any immediate benefit, or would you rather run [[Plagon]] and just copy it repeatedly while blinking and sometimes incidentally have cloned creatures with higher toughness.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Starfish Wizard
When Plagon enters, draw a card for each creature you control with toughness greater than its power.
: Target creature you control assigns combat damage equal to its toughness rather than its power this turn.
"No more lurking in the shallows. We ride!"
0/3
spark burrow
https://manabox.app/decks/LK9PRmmHRC2lhgCsKVuzAg
Guys I need help with ONE cut to make room for [[selvala, heart]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Elf Scout
Whenever another creature enters, its controller may draw a card if its power is greater than each other creature's power.
, : Add X mana in any combination of colors, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
2/3
spark burrow
I'm thinking Troyan, but I'd like another opinion
rotund forge
[[Felling blow]]
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
If you want to have not that, ideally that should probably be replaced with [[spinning wheel kick]]
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
I think Troyan is a fine cut unless you need the looting
rotund forge
If you can [[kami of whispered]] may be a good replacement for [[corpsejack menace]]
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Spirit
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a permanent you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that permanent instead.
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is this creature's power.
Nashi knelt reverently before the kami and envisioned his family reunited.
1/1
tender parrot
Hello everybody! I am attempting to make a chaos-themed Aminatou, the Fateshifter deck where I focus on rushing her alt as often as possible and continuously moving all permanents to each other player. I am not sure how to do this, and would love card suggestions that can help add loyality counters on my Commander, potentially chaotic cards/gifts, etc. Does anybody have any suggestions?
spark burrow
**Hello everybody!** I am attempting to make a chaos-themed Aminatou, the Fatesh...
I would start with proliferate effects like [[flux channeler]] and [[unbounded potential]]
hollow latchBOT
Instant
Choose one —
• Put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two target creatures.
• Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
Entwine (Choose both if you pay the entwine cost.)
tender parrot
I would start with proliferate effects like [[flux channeler]] and [[unbounded p...
Here is my deck so far:
https://archidekt.com/decks/12464962/yusufs_master_of_chaos_deck
Right now I am cutting cards
However, I would love suggestions
open dagger
https://moxfield.com/decks/YjylFaN2EUCMMqEmu0t0Eg
Thinking of taking apart my lathril deck looking for another commander where i can bring most of the cards into. Preferably not an elf deck
tender parrot
Hello everybody! I am looking for cards in Esper (white/black/blue) that can prevent players from attacking planeswalkers I control? So any cards that are taxes would also be nice (Propaganda/Ghostly Prison only allies to me not my planeswalkers so I need other suggestions)
open dagger
spark burrow
Hello everybody! I am looking for cards in Esper (white/black/blue) that can pre...
[[Norn's Annex]]
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
tender parrot
I built a Aminatou Fateweaver deck for the first time, and I am curious on how this deck is usually ran when you try to focus on swapping (while still having blink ETB creatures). I am asking because I played my first game with her, and I feel like a weakness in my deck is giving an opponent my artifacts/enchantments (my ETB creatures are not very useful without my Commander and other blink cards which I would kill before passing), and I want to avoid having that weakness.
Therefore, I am wondering if I should make my deck focused on having as few non-land permanents as possible, and trying to gain my opponent permanents, or if there are ways I can flicker/phase out my permanents so when I pass, I get to keep them?
https://archidekt.com/decks/12464962/yusufs_master_of_chaos_deck
spark burrow
I built a Aminatou Fateweaver deck for the first time, and I am curious on how t...
There are only a few ways to phase out multiple creatures, especially only your own. [[Ripples of potential]] or [[teferi's protection]] would work if you cast them with Aminatou's ult on the stack. I can't really find anything that bounces only your own things, so you may be on a good line of thought with simply playing fewer permanents to play around Aminatou's ult if that's gonna be your goal
spark burrow
That or play more bitter gifts you plan to pass, [[Jon irenicus]] style
hollow latchBOT
grand coyote
Generally, what are some tips for building a deck with [[Umori]] as the companion? (I’m building [[Felothar, dawn]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Ooze
Companion — Each nonland card in your starting deck shares a card type. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
As Umori enters, choose a card type.
Spells you cast of the chosen type cost less to cast.
4/5
spark burrow
Generally, what are some tips for building a deck with [[Umori]] as the companio...
I mean, since Felothar is just a creature, you'll be restricted to just creatures, so in addition to toughness matters for Felothar, you'll want creatures with extra useful abilities
grand coyote
I mean, since Felothar is just a creature, you'll be restricted to just creature...
Toughness doesn’t matter for this felothar
I was thinking a +1/+1 counter deck
grand coyote
I kinda meant like in terms of ramp, removal, protection, etc
spark burrow
[[Gyre sage]]
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Elf Druid
Evolve (Whenever a creature you control enters, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
: Add for each +1/+1 counter on this creature.
1/2
spark burrow
[[Evolution witness]]
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Elf Shaman Mutant
: Adapt 2. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put two +1/+1 counters on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand.
She remembers every breakthrough, from the gene's mutation to the new life's propagation.
2/1
spark burrow
[[Sakura tribe elder]]
hollow latchBOT
young patrol
This is a highly niche problem but I'm looking for wishboard targets.
The iteration of cruelclaw I'm working with is 24 spells, 75 lands and one of them is Mastermind's Acquisition so an optional wishboard can include spells that don't work off a cruelclaw trigger. (Requiring targets that may not yet exist, for example.)
The nature of the deck is that I'm playing a medium impact card per turn but need slightly higher impact cards to make up for my turns tending to not be doing a lot.
What I'm looking for presently are ways to deal with go wide tokens that are not hard counters to token strategies and something that could give evasion but with the evasion aspect be a minor bonus rather than the whole thing the card is doing.
[[The Black Breath]] is all I've come up with so far.
hollow latchBOT
placid wave
This is a highly niche problem but I'm looking for wishboard targets.
Technically speaking wishboards aren’t legal in commander
young patrol
I know
The deck functions without the wishboard and that's part of why it's Mastermind's Acquisition
placid wave
well as long as your group is ok with you having one, there's tons of options
oh wait
i misread, you want something helps you temporarily deal with go wide while also granting a little evasion
young patrol
They don't both need to be on the same card. But they need to do something other than just those things. [[Demon of Dark Schemes]] is in consideration, I suppose.
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Demon
Flying
When this creature enters, all other creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn.
Whenever another creature dies, you get 
(an energy counter).
, Pay : Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control tapped.
5/5
young patrol
I have [[Endbringer]] in the main deck and it works perfectly when it comes up.
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Eldrazi
Untap this creature during each other player's untap step.
: This creature deals 1 damage to any target.
, : Target creature can't attack or block this turn.
, : Draw a card.
5/5
young patrol
The wishboard would also prefer some way to deal with infinite life because it will mill out before it can kill anyone with commander damage.
grand coyote
Can I get input on this deck? It’s my first time building with a companion
weak tendon
Can I get input on this deck? It’s my first time building with a companion
http...
You have no instant speed interaction. Also scurry oak has an infinite combo if you wanna put it in.
grand coyote
You have no instant speed interaction. Also scurry oak has an infinite combo if ...
[[cankerbloom]] [[hopeful initiate]] [[district mascot]]
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Phyrexian Fungus
, Sacrifice this creature: Choose one —
• Destroy target artifact.
• Destroy target enchantment.
• Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
3/2
Creature — Human Warlock
Training (Whenever this creature attacks with another creature with greater power, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
, Remove two +1/+1 counters from among creatures you control: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
1/2
Creature — Dog Mount
This creature enters with a +1/+1 counter on it.
, Remove two +1/+1 counters from this creature: Destroy target artifact.
Whenever this creature attacks while saddled, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Saddle 1
0/0
weak tendon
[[cankerbloom]] [[hopeful initiate]] [[district mascot]]
Sensible.
grand coyote
Also, I’m not really interested in infinite combos
open dagger
https://moxfield.com/decks/Ew-0DhFnAEG1cs6CB6LfdQ
Is this a bracket 3 or bracket 4
silent marten
Uhhh guys I just came back from not playing MTG and I decided to play a [[Jodah, the Unifier]] legends deck wdyt?
hollow latchBOT
silent marten
And also if you can judge what this will fall under in the commander bracket that will be great too thnx
grand coyote
I’m pretty happy with this decklist, but I just wanted to know if there’s anything I should change.
https://moxfield.com/decks/JO5zUF8pEUuzHQUSxgJo5Q
viral pendant
Could anyone help with my list? https://archidekt.com/decks/12643775/nomnath_locus_of_creation
west zephyr
Could anyone help with my list? https://archidekt.com/decks/12643775/nomnath_loc...
How did you create your list ?
viral pendant
Could you explain what you mean please? I'm not quite sure what your asking.
west zephyr
Hmmm I'm not the best with descriptions but I'll give it a shot uh you created a list I'm just asking how did you do it .
You created a 1 for 1 of what's in your deck and how much of it is in your deck on a website it seems idk how to do that
grand coyote
You created a 1 for 1 of what's in your deck and how much of it is in your deck ...
Do you mean is there any difference between paper and digital?
viral pendant
No, none at all
west zephyr
I was asking how he made that list on digital but luckily for me someone else told me how to do it so thank you I appreciate your time
west zephyr
Does someone mind checking my deck?
viral pendant
I could take a gander fine gent
viral pendant
https://archidekt.com/decks/12765107/sephiroths_deck
Dude. First glance, deck kind of looks like you just threw a bunch of random 1/1 counter and unblockable creatures that don't really synergize with your commander at all in there. What is your game plan? Your only playing 30 lands, some of which don't even tap for your colors. Your playing multiple copies of cards in a singelton format. Are you new to commander or magic? This is kinda unplayable, sorry.
west zephyr
That's the point it's either supposed to do damage or destroy your monster
It's playable for me it works
viral pendant
You are aware you can only play 1 copy of each card except basic lands right? Also, you can only play cards in your commander's color identity, which are black & blue.
west zephyr
So I can't play 3 of evolving wilds then good to know
And yeah it's a blue and black unless half colors count?
viral pendant
Some of your lands are tapping for colors out of your color identity, blue for instance. You also have creatures that have green and white costs in their text, making them unplayable in your deck.
west zephyr
First off they I can either tap the them for blue or black they all are blue or black
2nd which cards have green and white cost
viral pendant
Just look at your decklist. Any cards that are unplayable in your deck will be bordered red
Any lands you play have to be able to ONLY tap for black or blue. You can't play a land that taps for any colors besides those.
west zephyr
Oh I didn't know that
And so if I'm understanding this correctly I can't have anything besides black and blue including half colors ?
viral pendant
Yes
Those half colors indicate that the mana cost can be payed with either of those colors.
So the only half color cards you could play are those that are blue/black
west zephyr
Got it
viral pendant
I recommend you watch a video on the rules of the commander format, and try playing some games with a pre-built deck instead of wasting time trying to throw things together.
I didn't try to build my first deck until I had been playing for 8 months
That was also In addition to 6 years previous experience playing and deck builing in yugioh.
west zephyr
I've played Yu-Gi-Oh to I should know
But I'm kinda new to magic not really but in a way I am
grand coyote
But I'm kinda new to magic not really but in a way I am
Do you have a deck at all? If not, I’d recommend either playing some Magic Arena or getting a preconstructed deck.
west zephyr
That was my deck I just edited to make it more playable
grand coyote
Arena is honestly a great way to get into pretty much any format. It gives you a space to experiment more often, learn the ropes.
west zephyr
I can't it's a personal thing
The only way I play magic is with my brother on Sundays
west zephyr
Yes he did
The only reason I have most of my deck is cuz I had to trade cards with him
grand coyote
I’ll try to make a little guide
west zephyr
So I have to 100 to play right? No more no less?
grand coyote
in commander, yes. I may be a while, can I ping you in a bit?
west zephyr
I mean sure I won't get it for a while tho cause reasons
sturdy trout
How do y'all feel about [[Kona, Rescue Beastie]] vs [[Loot, Exuberant Explorer]] as mono-green commanders? I'm trying to build Kona but I'm having some trouble with it, debating switching over to Loot.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Beast Noble
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
, : Look at the top six cards of your library. You may reveal a creature card with mana value less than or equal to the number of lands you control from among them and put it onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
1/4
spark burrow
How do y'all feel about [[Kona, Rescue Beastie]] vs [[Loot, Exuberant Explorer]]...
Kona can be scary if you have ways to tap it safely like crewing a vehicle or saddling a mount
grand coyote
I mean sure I won't get it for a while tho cause reasons
Basically, when you’re making a deck, you want to start by thinking about how you want to play/win. This can be kinda overwhelming, so starting with a commander can also help. Some strategies could include making a lot of creatures, making a really big creature, dealing damage without spells, getting benefits from creatures dying, etc. Sephiroth is the last one, since he gets bigger whenever a creature dies. So I’d look for cards that do something when a creature dies, cards that you want to die (for a benefit), or even cards that can take advantage of a creature being in a graveyard, like ones that return your or even your opponent’s creature to the battlefield. Also, include some things that don’t directly help you, but can slow your opponent(s) down or speed your other stuff up. Remember that besides basic lands, you can only have one of each card in Commander.
west zephyr
Yes I know I can only have 1 card of everything in commander
grand coyote
I made a deck where each card is a word or is a part of a word in the Doctor’s speech in Heaven Sent—holy crap this was fun to make
https://moxfield.com/decks/6s595mksbUKG3LukY8SH-g
drowsy hatch
How do y'all feel about [[Kona, Rescue Beastie]] vs [[Loot, Exuberant Explorer]]...
Why would you run either over ojer kalasem
Oh gosh I didn’t realize how old that was
sturdy trout
Why would you run either over ojer kalasem
Ojer's not as cute as them 😔 but I'll consider it!
rotund forge
@finite adder the only thing I'm noticing is not having [[scourge of the skyclave]] or [[death's shadow]] two cards I highly associate with Nethroi
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Demon
Kicker
When you cast this spell, if it was kicked, each player loses half their life, rounded up.
Scourge of the Skyclaves's power and toughness are each equal to 20 minus the highest life total among players.
*/*
finite adder
<@311481109995192320> the only thing I'm noticing is not having [[scourge of the...
The thing is im putting nethroi as a plan b when i fail so it’s not the main strategy
Ykwim
rotund forge
I'm having problems reading Manabox's layout
Who is your commander? I assumed nethroi because of the image
finite adder
Who is your commander? I assumed nethroi because of the image
It is it is
Lemme share another link
The main goal to drain their life
Maybe 4 ways to do that
With gravecrawler and warren
Sac protien hulk for vasc and the cat with samwise and abolisher
Or the witherbloom combo
I guess 3 ways
grand coyote
What are some commanders that could work if I want to play as many phyrexians as possible?
Like I’m thinking WUBRG but idk
placid wave
What are some commanders that could work if I want to play as many phyrexians as...
Do you want a commander that has some unique payoff for phrexians or just play 5c good stuff phyrexians
The boring answer is [[morophon]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
As Morophon enters, choose a creature type.
Spells of the chosen type you cast cost less to cast. This effect reduces only the amount of colored mana you pay.
Other creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1.
6/6
placid wave
[[atraxa, grand unifier]] is big value on a stick that so happens to be phyrexian
hollow latchBOT
placid wave
For more specific phyrexian stuff you could go [[brimaz, blight]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Cat
Whenever you cast a Phyrexian creature or artifact creature spell, incubate X, where X is that spell's mana value. (Create an Incubator token with X +1/+1 counters on it and ": Transform this token." It transforms into a 0/0 Phyrexian artifact creature.)
At the beginning of each end step, if a Phyrexian died under your control this turn, proliferate.
3/4
grand coyote
Do you want a commander that has some unique payoff for phrexians or just play 5...
Either
placid wave
The full list of commanders that are phyrexians isn’t that long so you could just browse all of them https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=type%3Aphyrexian+is%3Acommander&unique=cards
There’s quite a few that care about proliferation since poison is one of the phyrexian signature abilities
grand coyote
For more specific phyrexian stuff you could go [[brimaz, blight]]
I’ll probably go with him. Thank you!
runic linden
Hello everyone. I am rev, and I am new here.
I always wanted to make a Zedruu, but I am afraid it's gonna be expensive and bad. I don't mind the price that match, as long as the deck is good. Any Zedruu players here? Also, I would love card suggestions. Hit me with your best shots!
Thanks!
grand coyote
Any way, you want [[harmless offering]]
hollow latchBOT
grand coyote
The question is how malicious you want to be with your presents
velvet nexus
